Time  Nick              Message
03:06 wajasu            hmm
03:30 mtompset          ARG! Got distracted again.
03:30 wajasu            ha
03:42 mtompset          I'm working on 11213 now, wajasu.
03:44 wajasu            well, so many folks spinning on the search.
03:45 mtompset          And only one of me. :)
03:46 mtompset          I figure some good will come out of all of this. :)
03:46 mtompset          Greetings, Oak.
03:46 mtompset          Thanks for accepting the friend request. :)
03:46 Oak               hello mtompset :)
03:46 Oak               it's my pleasure. thanks for sending the request :)
03:47 Oak               it's great to have #koha friends on Facebook
03:50 wajasu            the real issue after my patch is it requires reading through all the result biblios when building facets to get exact counters.  bug 11232 is what i should have worked on.
03:50 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
04:40 mtompset          yes. sucks to figure that out after the fact.
04:41 mtompset          Anyone here know how to trigger virtual shelves code?
04:59 mtompset          AH! Lists.
05:00 mtompset          Well, I need sleep.
05:00 mtompset          Have a great day, #koha wajasu Oak.
07:36 reiveune          hello
07:38 cait              hi reiveune :)
07:38 cait              bbl
07:40 * magnuse         waves
07:58 jenkins_koha      Starting build #22 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
08:02 magnuse           bonjour Joubu
08:02 Joubu             salut magnuse
08:17 cait              good morning #koha
08:18 magnuse           kia ora cait!
08:18 magnuse           ooh bug 11944
08:18 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
08:19 cait              hi magnuse :)
08:21 magnuse           bonjour sophie_m
08:23 sophie_m          bonjour magnuse
08:24 * magnuse         wonders if it would be a good idea to have "module maintainers" for the different languages under installer/data/mysql/
08:26 magnuse           at least for the smaller languages
08:35 magnuse           ooh http://www.cyclingforlibraries.org/?page_id=4202 De Montpellier à Lyon du 6 au 14 août 2014
08:41 fridolin1         hie all
08:45 magnuse           bonjour fridolin1
08:45 magnuse           http://digital.deichman.no/blog/2014/03/14/do-you-want-to-help-us-create-awesome-services/
08:46 ashimema          mtomptset, regarding bug 11869.. it wasn't me to fail it.. not seen the bug before i'm afraid.
08:46 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11869 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Failed QA , Add more informations to the member printing pages.
08:47 ashimema          morning all
08:49 cait              morning :)
08:51 magnuse           hiya ashimema
08:51 cait              @later tell mtompset - Aleisha Amohia != ashimema, but one of the academy students
08:51 huginn            cait: The operation succeeded.
08:51 * magnuse         hopes everyone had a good journey home from the hackfest
08:52 cait              all worked out well, but felt long in the end :)
08:52 ashimema          cheers cait
08:53 ashimema          monin' magnuse. Good journey home for me.. though UK customs wre on high alert so it took a while to get through the airport
08:53 ashimema          hope your was uneventful :)
08:59 magnuse           it was. 50 minutes delay from AMS to OSL, but we had a ~6 hour stop in OSL so it did not matter at all :-)
08:59 magnuse           and the approach to bodø was the most beautiful one i have ever had
09:00 magnuse           it's cold here, though...
09:00 magnuse           @wunder boo
09:00 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -7.0°C (9:50 AM CET on March 18, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -15.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
09:05 ashimema          yikes that's cold
09:05 ashimema          @wunder stevenage, uk
09:05 huginn            ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 10.1°C (9:05 AM GMT on March 18, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
09:05 ashimema          feels warmer than that here too.. T-Shirt weather :)
09:08 * magnuse         sighs
09:08 magnuse           nah, 'tis rather pretty here, with the snow and the sun and the clear blue sky...
09:19 Joubu             magnuse++
09:19 Joubu             for http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Marseille_hackfest_2014
09:20 Joubu             I have just discovered it!
09:20 Joubu             but I am wondering if it would be good to have "pushed to master" too
09:24 magnuse           probably
09:24 magnuse           i have just copied the numbers from the dashboard
09:33 Joubu             magnuse: I added "43 bugs pushed to master"
09:41 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_3.14.x build #22: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/22/
09:41 jenkins_koha      David Cook: Bug 11502: make library filter in "Holds To Pull" more precise
09:41 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11502 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Branch filter in "Holds To Pull" is too fuzzy
09:42 jenkins_koha      Starting build #23 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
09:44 magnuse           Joubu: cool!
09:49 cait              :)
10:04 nlegrand          Hey #koha o/
10:09 magnuse           hiya alex_a_ paul_p nlegrand
10:09 alex_a_           hi magnuse
10:09 wahanui           hi magnuse are you spending much time in oslo?
10:10 paul_p            hi magnuse. safe back home ?
10:13 cait              hi nlegrand and paul_p :)
10:26 cait              magnuse: are you a Koha ninja? :)
10:36 magnuse           nope, i'm afraid not
10:37 magnuse           paul_p: yes, arrived on schedule yesterday
10:37 magnuse           kohaprofile has a new home: https://github.com/digibib/kohaprofile
10:39 cait              :)
10:40 cait              magnuse++
10:44 ashimema          magnuse++
10:44 ashimema          very nice!
10:45 ashimema          I hope to have a chance to play with that soon.. adding it to my QA process sounds like a good plan
10:48 magnuse           ashimema: cool!
10:48 magnuse           it's just a POC now, but maybe we can grow it into something useful
10:50 ashimema          Deffo.. looks like a great start
10:52 nlegrand          magnuse: cool
11:00 magnuse           anyone looked at the unicode stuff from Joubu and dpavlin yet?
11:05 Joubu             magnuse: did you have a look at scripts in misc/load_testing/benchmark_*?
11:07 magnuse           Joubu: no, not really, but it would be cool if they could be combined with my script, to run them on a series of git commits
11:07 Joubu             magnuse: yes, that could be quite easy.
11:08 magnuse           patches welcome ;-)
11:25 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_3.14.x build #23: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/23/
11:25 jenkins_koha      * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 9210: wrap long lines in printed hold notices
11:25 jenkins_koha      * Francesca Moore: Bug 11522: improve formating of self-registration form
11:25 jenkins_koha      * Chris Cormack: Bug 7143: Updating about page and history
11:25 jenkins_koha      * Galen Charlton: Bug 7143: add another name to the about page
11:25 jenkins_koha      * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9788: Improvements when calling GetReservesFromItemnumber
11:25 jenkins_koha      * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9788: (follow-up) removing the alldates parameter from GetReservesFromItemnumber
11:25 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9210 major, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , Automatic carriage return are missing in print letters generated for holds
11:25 jenkins_koha      * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9788: (follow-up) for expirationdate in Letter.pm
11:25 jenkins_koha      * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9788: QA followup
11:25 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11522 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , self registration formatting
11:25 jenkins_koha      * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9788: (follow-up) Unit tests for changed routine GetReservesFromItemnumber
11:25 jenkins_koha      * Galen Charlton: Bug 9788: (follow-up) update the bootstrap theme
11:25 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
11:25 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9788 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Improvements for calling GetReservesFromItemnumber
11:33 magnuse           Viktor++
11:40 cait              @wunder Konstanz
11:40 huginn            cait: The current temperature in Bodensee, Lake Constance Germany, Daisendorf, Germany is 16.0°C (12:39 PM CET on March 18, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
11:40 francharb         hi #koha
12:15 dpavlin           on current master, it seems that zebra search in opac dies with ZOOM error 20003 "can't set prefix query" - is there existing bug for that?
12:17 cait              dpavlin!
12:17 wahanui           Taking over the world is trivial for this one...
12:17 cait              dpavlin: ugh, haven't seen that yet
12:17 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8168: (follow-up) Use semicolon as default CSV delimiter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7408fa5d7087fad5c8f15b742b9624cbfe652a61> / Bug 8168: Fixing header of non CSV files for overdue notices <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a31210efd34dc7e3c65f8491c26c2d8f8fc36dfb>
12:17 cait              are you using queryparser?
12:18 oleonard          Hi #koha
12:18 cait              hi oleonard :)
12:19 cait              gmcharlt++
12:24 jenkins_koha      Starting build #392 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:28 jenkins_koha      Starting build #1667 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:30 wajasu            dpavlin: bug 5615 might given you a lead.
12:30 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5615 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED DUPLICATE, ZOOM error 20003 "can't set prefix query" on some authority searches
12:52 magnuse           druthb!
12:52 wahanui           Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
12:56 druthb            Hi, magnuse. :)
13:02 * oleonard        wishes he could go work on Koha in Oslo!
13:06 magnuse           oleonard: that would have been awesome!
13:09 * jcamins         does too!
13:11 oleonard          At least you're qualified jcamins ;)
13:13 jcamins           oleonard: except for the whole not-speaking-Norwegian thing. And, probably, not being an EU citizen.
13:13 oleonard          Details, details
13:15 magnuse           not-speaking-norwegian is not an issue
13:15 magnuse           please direct any enquiries to the person indicated in the blogpost :-)
13:21 jenkins_koha      Project master_maria build #392: SUCCESS in 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/392/
13:21 jenkins_koha      * daniel: Bug 8168: Fixing header of non CSV files for overdue notices
13:21 jenkins_koha      * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8168: (follow-up) Use semicolon as default CSV delimiter
13:21 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8168 minor, P5 - low, ---, daniel.barker.nz, Pushed to Master , ersatz CSV header in attachment of overdue notices sent to administrator
13:25 tcohen            airbnb++
13:25 tcohen            morning
13:38 * BT              slaps alohalog` around a bit with a large fishbot
13:57 mtompset          Greetings, #koha.
13:58 wajasu            hiya
13:58 mtompset          @later tell cait. Thanks for the clarification.
13:58 huginn            mtompset: The operation succeeded.
14:02 wajasu            another facets counter idea:
14:02 pastebot          "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "facet counters correct with more mysql indexes and less db queries" (39 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/170
14:05 magnuse           less_db_queries++
14:13 cait              mtompset: i am here ;)
14:14 mtompset          Hard to know sometimes, when you are so quiet. :)
14:19 cait              i am only here when at least close to a computer :)
14:26 * magnuse         chides cait for nor irc'ing telepathically
14:28 cait              ... sorry :(
14:28 fridolin          back, we had a network break
14:28 cait              wb fridolin :)
14:28 oleonard          I'll be the mailing list Google Glass guy is IRC'ing on his Google Glasses right now :P
14:29 fridolin          cait: what does "wb" mean ?
14:30 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #1667: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1667/
14:30 jenkins_koha      * daniel: Bug 8168: Fixing header of non CSV files for overdue notices
14:30 jenkins_koha      * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8168: (follow-up) Use semicolon as default CSV delimiter
14:30 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8168 minor, P5 - low, ---, daniel.barker.nz, Pushed to Master , ersatz CSV header in attachment of overdue notices sent to administrator
14:30 atheia            Hello Kohaites
14:31 oleonard          fridolin: It means "welcome back"
14:31 fridolin          thanks, I'm noob on irc ;)
14:32 magnuse           wb is "welcome back"
14:32 magnuse           wb?
14:32 wahanui           i think wb is welcome back
14:32 magnuse           right you are, wahanui
14:32 wahanui           OK, magnuse.
14:38 mtompset          wb is also http://youtu.be/5VlGyMG0ksg :)
14:38 wahanui           okay, mtompset.
14:48 barton            morning all!
14:51 barton            Is there any documentation of how bugs in bugzilla link to http://bugs.koha-community.org?
14:53 gmcharlt          not quite sure what you mean
14:53 gmcharlt          you can do
14:53 gmcharlt          http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=XXX
14:53 huginn            04Bug XXX: could not be retrieved: InvalidBugId
14:53 gmcharlt          to link to bug XXX
14:54 gmcharlt          if you add a comment to a bug, the phase "bug XXX" will get hyperlinked
14:54 barton            Are individual bugs tagged?
14:54 magnuse           barton: what do you mean by "tagged"?
14:55 barton            as in, are there git tags created for bugs.
14:56 barton            the same way that you would tag a release.
14:56 gmcharlt          no
14:56 cait              network_fail--
14:56 gmcharlt          mainly, there is a convention that the first line of a commit message will contain the bug number
14:58 barton            how would I figure out patch dependencies?
14:59 gmcharlt          the "depends on" and "blocks" fields in a BZ report are often used to express dependencies
14:59 barton            gmcharlt++
14:59 cait              there is also a tree view
14:59 cait              if you look there
15:00 barton            cait: that sounds useful -- where would I find it?
15:01 cait              there is a link when a bug has a dependency
15:01 cait              http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9016 < example
15:01 huginn            04Bug 9016: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Multi transport types for notices
15:01 barton            oic: dependency tree /graph.
15:01 cait              http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=9016
15:02 barton            cait++
15:02 * cait            waves at gmcharlt :)
15:02 * gmcharlt        waves back
15:03 cait              when does the conf start?
15:03 gmcharlt          there's a preconference today, but the conf proper starts tomorrow
15:12 * magnuse         wanders off to make dinner
15:14 cait              ah, have fun :)
15:16 wajasu            what if i code it so i get correct facet counts with a certain syspref set size maxResultsRetrievedForFacets, and retrieve/inspect those raw records for facet counters.  if the results set size is > than that max, i just don't show facet counters.
15:17 wajasu            that could take care of the common result set case most of the time if the max is set at 1000, and could be adjusted for big hardware sites.
15:19 wajasu            if my library had a small inventory, and endusers, i might just inspect all raw() records, but if my site is huge (millions), but have big hardware, i might just set max to 10000.
15:20 wajasu            and are we using, or does zebra employ libmemcached?
15:21 wajasu            to cache the result set records in RAM.
15:23 wajasu            a 1million 16K marcxmls might be around 16GB, and a big library could run with large amount of ram these days.
15:30 mtompset          No idea...
15:31 mtompset          barton: Sometimes people forget to set those fields up, read all the comments. ;)
15:46 markvandenborre   I'm tring to install koha here for the first time, on Debian wheezy
15:46 cait              hi markvandenborre
15:47 markvandenborre   ah, I found some more info
15:48 cait              you should look for apackage installation
15:48 cait              if you want to test Koha that's the easiest way
15:48 cait              packages?
15:48 wahanui           packages is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
15:48 markvandenborre   I already saw that info
15:48 markvandenborre   but either there is something missing or something wrong
15:48 markvandenborre   I also found http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;hb=HEAD
15:50 markvandenborre   but it seems http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian is more up to date
15:50 markvandenborre   and cleaner
15:50 cait              hm not sure where you ran into a problem
15:50 cait              but someone here might be able to help
15:50 markvandenborre   that document seems to suggest that some basic installation interface will be available
15:51 markvandenborre   some web interface, so presumably on port 8080 as per that document
15:52 markvandenborre   but this is the output of netstat -tan:
15:52 markvandenborre   http://pastie.org/8947852
15:52 cait              hm not sure if you run the web installer with packages
15:52 cait              but i think you do
15:52 cait              sorry, i can't read netstat
15:53 cait              the web installer woudl be the very last step
15:53 cait              and he url is the url of the staff interface
15:53 cait              and i think what that is depends on how you set up the conf file used by the packages
15:54 mtompset          markvandenborre: Your netstat doesn't have port 80 listening.
15:54 mtompset          oh there it is... nevermind. :)
15:54 markvandenborre   yeah, ipv6...
15:54 mtompset          Why is it only tcpip6?
15:54 markvandenborre   by default on wheezy, it seems...
15:55 markvandenborre   it will listen on v4 also, but for some reason it doesn't show up
15:55 mtompset          but the mysql is on tcp? Strange.
15:57 cait              hey khall!
15:57 markvandenborre   mtompset: the debian package instructions are somewhat unclear...
15:57 cait              congratulations! :)
15:57 markvandenborre   * Listen on port 8080: $EDITOR /etc/apache2/ports.conf
15:57 markvandenborre   without any context...
15:58 mtompset          e3xcuse me... chauffeur duty.
15:58 markvandenborre   so should I just reconfigure apache to listen on 8080 like that? I guess so...
15:58 cait              markvandenborre: you already created your instance, right?
15:59 markvandenborre   yes, and apparently I missed the reference in the wiki to this readme document
15:59 cait              and you didn't create a koha-sites.conf
15:59 markvandenborre   no, not yet
15:59 cait              ah
15:59 cait              before you can go to the web installer
15:59 * barton          waves at khall
15:59 cait              you have to create the instance
15:59 markvandenborre   it's not clear to me at this point in the process if I have to disable apache listening on port 80
16:00 cait              sorry, i might be getting confused here :)
16:00 cait              you need both
16:00 cait              80 and 8080
16:00 wahanui           8160
16:00 markvandenborre   ok
16:00 markvandenborre   wahanui: :-)
16:00 wahanui           markvandenborre: sorry...
16:00 cait              80 is the opac = public catalog
16:00 cait              8080 is the web installer and the staff interface, where you do circulation and all things librarians do
16:00 markvandenborre   thx for mentioning that
16:01 markvandenborre   I realised I would need that eventually, but the koha side is still a bit of a black box to me
16:01 cait              wahanui is our beloved bot - don't let him irritate you
16:03 markvandenborre   cait: bot or not, thought he was quite funny
16:03 markvandenborre   :-)
16:04 markvandenborre   when the web installer asks me for a user and pass
16:04 markvandenborre   (I was probably asked to enter something yesterday evening when fiddling with it)
16:04 markvandenborre   is that the sql user and pass?
16:04 markvandenborre   or the biblioserver user and pass?
16:05 barton            markvandenborre: I've been working with koha for about 4 months now -- it is presently a very dark grey box. If I hold a *really* brigh light up to it, I find that it is vaguely translucent.
16:05 markvandenborre   or something else?
16:05 markvandenborre   barton: thank you for the encouragement :p
16:06 markvandenborre   aha, the sql user and pass!
16:06 cait              it's in the koha-conf.xml
16:06 cait              did you find it?
16:07 barton            Actually, that's not true... there are parts of it that are fairly transparent.
16:07 cait              sounds a bit like the description of an art object :)
16:07 markvandenborre   yes, I did
16:08 barton            markvandenborre: try
16:08 markvandenborre   I figure there is some i18n support for koha
16:08 markvandenborre   I did
16:08 markvandenborre   it worked :p
16:08 markvandenborre   I should definitely update the wiki too...
16:09 barton            egrep '^..(user|pass|database)' koha-conf.xml
16:09 barton            this will give you the username and password to log into koha.
16:09 markvandenborre   yeah, did that, the only confusion was between the two different ones that are in there
16:09 markvandenborre   so I tried both, and one set (the sql set) worked
16:10 markvandenborre   what about i18n? is there some magic step I need to perform to make other options than English appear?
16:10 cait              kind of
16:10 cait              try and look for the koha-translate command :)
16:11 tcohen            cait: could you try to register for kohacon14 and tell me if it works? :-D
16:12 cait              hehe
16:12 cait              as a test i could - if you remove me again after?
16:12 tcohen            hmm
16:12 tcohen            the trick didn't work
16:13 markvandenborre   hm, http://translate.koha-community.org/ seems to indicate the most important stuff is translated
16:13 cait              what language are you looking for?
16:13 barton            markvandenborre: the port settings are in koha-httpd.conf.
16:13 barton            just in case you were wondering.
16:14 cait              barton: the wiki says if you don't create one it defaults to 8080 and 80 - i think that's what happened here, but haven't used the packages much yet myself :(
16:14 cait              but tcohen is a packages expert!
16:14 cait              *hides*
16:14 markvandenborre   cait: nl, dutch
16:14 cait              ah
16:14 cait              i think that shoudl work
16:14 markvandenborre   now I just need to check how to make koha understand the po/mo files files
16:15 cait              markvandenborre: look for koha-translate
16:15 markvandenborre   looking at it
16:15 wahanui           looking at it is exactly what I was hoping for. :)
16:15 cait              you don't need to more than run it with the right laguage code
16:16 barton            cait: I've never done a package install myself. (Thinks that perhaps I should try this in my copius free time)
16:17 markvandenborre   cool, it's working
16:18 barton            markvandenborre: wunderbar! (deutsch not duch, but hey, they're related)
16:18 ashimema          barton.. you should deffo play with packages.. they rock
16:19 cait              markvandenborre: cool :)
16:19 cait              going to catch the last bits of sun, cya later all
16:19 ashimema          enjoy cait
16:19 reiveune          bye
16:20 barton            has anyone seen eythian?
16:20 tcohen            @later tell wizzyrea I need to add recaptcha or something to the form, its been on for some minutes and got several SPAM
16:20 huginn            tcohen: The operation succeeded.
16:20 markvandenborre   marc21 or unimarc?
16:21 markvandenborre   I seem to remember one is more common in .eu, the other in .us
16:21 markvandenborre   ?
16:21 * markvandenborre is reading through wikipedia
16:21 barton            markvandenborre: marc21: US.
16:21 markvandenborre   does it make sense for me then to do unimarc?
16:21 markvandenborre   (.be)
16:22 markvandenborre   as in: one or the other dialect better supported in koha?
16:22 markvandenborre   I'm playing with this for a public music school library
16:22 barton            not sure off hand.
16:22 barton            where is '.be'?
16:22 markvandenborre   Belgium, that tiny spot around Brussels
16:23 barton            aha.
16:23 markvandenborre   ok, guess I'll go with unimarc
16:23 barton            I've never worked with unimarc, so I'll let others chime in there.
16:24 barton            @seen eythian
16:24 huginn            barton: eythian was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 19 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <eythian> hi cait
16:25 markvandenborre   I notice there's a few things marked as "mandatory"
16:25 markvandenborre   in step 3 - selecting default settings
16:25 barton            @later tell eythian ping me when you get in. Repeatedly ;-)
16:25 huginn            barton: The operation succeeded.
16:25 markvandenborre   Defines default message transports for sending item due messages and
16:25 markvandenborre   advance notice messages through email and SMS.
16:25 markvandenborre   (sample_notices_message_transports)
16:25 markvandenborre   stuff like that
16:25 wahanui           stuff like that is why I want to chew people's legs off sometimes
16:26 markvandenborre   most of this library is digital anyway, so not sure about it
16:26 markvandenborre   calm down, wahanui-san, even if you're a bot
16:26 markvandenborre   I'm a vegetarian, you wouldn't find much interesting flesh on my bones :p
16:26 barton            heh.
16:27 oleonard          No no, it's the vegetarians who are especially delicious.
16:28 markvandenborre   ouch :p
16:31 harry             hello i made a recent installation of koha. when i tried to access the admin page via lynx it takes me to the maintenance page . kindly advice . thanks
16:33 Joubu             harry: update your database with perl installer/data/mysql/en/updatedatabase.pl or go on the staff interface
16:34 harry             joubu > is that the command i can use in the terminal to update
16:36 Joubu             harry: is it a question?
16:36 mtompset          markvandenborre: Did you get your problem solved?
16:36 Joubu             harry: go on your staff interface
16:36 Joubu             ok...
16:37 markvandenborre   mtompset: I got it installed, had to create a library, a patron category, then myself in the admin interface
16:37 vfernandes        hi :)
16:37 mtompset          Good. Because I was going to suggest reading the Ubuntu instructions for clarity. ;)
16:37 markvandenborre   koha _might_ be a bit overkill for our situation, but I'm not dealing with this $&#! iTunes thing anymore
16:37 vfernandes        it's possible to know the new features/developments for Koha 3.16?
16:38 markvandenborre   my predecessor (praise be unto him?) thought it was a good idea to dump all pdfs of the school library into iTunes
16:38 mtompset          WHAT?!
16:38 markvandenborre   then he noticed he couldn't scale sharing of that over 5 computers
16:39 markvandenborre   so he started manually walking around with a usb stick for the metadata (he did manage to use a network share for the actual data)
16:39 markvandenborre   but then he bumped into a problem...
16:39 markvandenborre   different versions of iTunes don't speak the same metadata language
16:39 mtompset          DOH!
16:39 markvandenborre   so he started to do some kind of strange export
16:40 markvandenborre   that he can't seem to reproduce anymore
16:40 markvandenborre   so the school library would still work on the old machines with an older iTunes version
16:40 markvandenborre   that was only part of my inheritance
16:40 markvandenborre   other things being a boss who thinks 250€ a year for backups of the school administration is a lot of money
16:41 markvandenborre   part of the cabling working only at 10Mbit half duplex
16:41 markvandenborre   the optical uplink to the rest of the city being quite shoddy
16:42 markvandenborre   etcetera
16:42 mtompset          Breath deeply.
16:42 markvandenborre   safe to say, koha could only be an improvement over this
16:42 mtompset          856$u.
16:42 mtompset          856$u.
16:42 mtompset          host the PDF's somewhere.
16:42 mtompset          856$u.
16:42 mtompset          :)
16:43 markvandenborre   856$U. ?
16:43 wahanui           856$u is settable.
16:43 mtompset          It's a MARC field that stores a URI.
16:43 mtompset          So, you search in the OPAC.
16:43 mtompset          Get a result.
16:43 mtompset          Look at the result detail.
16:44 mtompset          Click on the link (generated by the 856$u).
16:44 mtompset          And BAM, you have your PDF. :)
16:44 mtompset          oh wait...
16:44 mtompset          you chose unimarc?
16:45 mtompset          It might not be the same them.
16:45 mtompset          I'm used to MARC21. :)
16:45 markvandenborre   mtompset: still, thank you for the hint
16:46 mtompset          Anyone want an easy sign off? bug 11253. ;)
16:46 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11253 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , tools/inventory.pl output_pref ignores 'iso' parameter passed
16:49 markvandenborre   mtompset: trying to find my way around it
16:49 vfernandes        it's possible to know the new features/developments for Koha 3.16??
16:49 mtompset          documentation?
16:49 wahanui           somebody said documentation was at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
16:50 mtompset          That may help, markvandenborre.
16:51 mtompset          also, http://bywatersolutions.com/section/tutorial-videos/
16:56 * markvandenborre is looking into providing an easy, minimal interface for our library worker to deal with
16:56 markvandenborre   minimal, as in: don't want her to see any field she doesn't need to use
17:00 markvandenborre   but an ISMN field for example would be really useful to have
17:09 harry             i am done installing koha and i tried to use lynx to access the admin page and that redirected me to maintenance page . please advice
17:11 markvandenborre   harry: 17:33:33 < Joubu> harry: update your database with perl installer/data/mysql/en/updatedatabase.pl or go on the staff interface                                                         clrh
17:11 markvandenborre   I'm sorry I can't help you much further than that, but I guess that means go to port 8080
17:11 markvandenborre   and log in there
17:13 harry             <markvandenborre> do you mean i can use my regular broswer from another computer instead of lynx to configure the staff client for the first time
17:16 mtompset          harry: Only if the other machine knows how to browse to your server.
17:16 mtompset          A lot of people don't have the DNS set up at that time.
17:18 indradg           hi all
17:19 indradg           need a spot of help
17:20 indradg           i'm wrestling with the 22to30.pl script, and something funky is happening my issues tables in the old db has ~13k entries after running the script, the *new* issues table only has ~8k entries
17:21 indradg           structurally the old 2.2.5 issues and new 3.14 issues tables are almost identical except for the 'issuedate' field in the new one
17:21 harry             <mtompset> is there something i am doing wrong with lynx , why am i ending up with the maintenance page
17:23 mtompset          are you using a name or a port?
17:23 harry             name
17:24 mtompset          so did you put the OPAC name or Staff name?
17:24 mtompset          lynx http://library-admin.mysite.com/
17:25 mtompset          Oops... I didn't realize mysite.com was real.
17:25 mtompset          remember library.blah.blah is not the same as library-admin.blah.blah
17:26 harry             mtompset> so the DNS should be setup even to access via lynx ?
17:26 mtompset          if you are using lynx on your own server, you can edit the /etc/hosts
17:26 mtompset          for example, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Determining_an_IP_Address
17:27 harry             DOMAIN=".myDNSname.org" INTRAPORT="80" # use 8080 for an IP-based install. INTRAPREFIX="" INTRASUFFIX="-intra" OPACPORT="80" OPACPREFIX="" OPACSUFFIX=""
17:27 harry             can the intra and opac port be the same
17:28 mtompset          YES... that's why the INTRASUFFIX is "-intra"
17:29 harry             i never used intraprefix , should it be filled with the instance name
17:29 mtompset          you put the same port and no suffix?!
17:29 mtompset          That's why it is failing.
17:30 harry             ok let me change
17:30 harry             and then i need to create the instance again right
17:30 mtompset          changing it won't fix it after the fact.
17:30 mtompset          You'll need to DELETE the instance, and then create it again, yes.
17:31 mtompset          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-remove
17:31 harry             ok ill look into that
17:31 harry             thanks a ton
17:37 pianohacker       hi #koha
17:38 mtompset          Greetings, pianohacker.
17:38 pianohacker       hi mtompset
17:54 cait              hey pianohacker
17:54 wahanui           rumour has it pianohacker is a Dune fan, it seems
17:57 * mtompset        grins, "Dune sucks!"
18:09 barton            back
18:36 indradg           @wunder
18:36 huginn            indradg: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
18:37 indradg           @wunder kolkata
18:37 huginn            indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 27.0°C (11:50 PM IST on March 18, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
19:06 mtompset          Joubu: I discovered that Ukrainian currency symbol default is wrong in Koha.
19:07 mtompset          GRN is not a valid currency code.
19:08 barton            @seen eythian
19:08 huginn            barton: eythian was last seen in #koha 21 hours, 2 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <eythian> hi cait
19:08 cait              mtompset: we have an ukrainian currency symbol?
19:08 mtompset          uk-UA.
19:09 mtompset          ru-RU.
19:09 mtompset          both currency files have GRN.,
19:09 cait              ah
19:09 mtompset          I figured out it was UAH.
19:09 cait              they are a bit older
19:09 cait              not sure if someone currently maintains them
19:09 mtompset          I'm about to bug report to maintain ALL of them. ;)
19:10 mtompset          They lack consistency.
19:10 mtompset          I'm just tweaking some auto-building code I am writing, which will grab current values from Yahoo! Finance. :)
19:28 wajasu            is anyone coding facets support using zebra.  maybe dcook? bug 11232
19:28 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
19:29 mtompset          is active a reserved keyword?
19:30 mtompset          I can't figure out why my code has $active = 1 all the time.
19:30 pastebot          "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Why is $active always 1?" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/171
19:31 mtompset          Where's my obvious mistake?
19:33 mtompset          OH GOODNESS! == vs. eq.
19:33 mtompset          Stupid multiple languages mixed up in my head bug.
19:35 pianohacker       oh haha yeah
19:35 pianohacker       I write so much JS I mix that up too
19:42 mtompset          es-ES == spain?
19:43 cait              spanish
19:47 pianohacker       is IS what?
19:51 rhcl              mtompset: druthb informed me that there is a language code for Klingon too.
19:51 indradg           lol
19:51 mtompset          What do you mean "is IS what?"?
19:51 rhcl              or was that a Marc record? druthb, please refresh my memory
19:52 druthb            There is a language code for Klingon, yes.
19:52 druthb            "tlh", IIRC
19:52 rhcl              ah, indeed.
19:52 * magnuse         would guess IS = Icelandic
19:52 magnuse           ...if we are talking about languages
19:54 rhcl              wonder if there is a currency symbol for latinum?
19:55 mtompset          http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_changes.php
19:55 mtompset          tlh is klingon.
19:55 druthb            rhcl:  Doesn't appear to be.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_currencies
19:56 rhcl              hummm, none of the fictional currencies have a symbol
19:58 rhcl              is there a unicode code for BTC?
19:59 rhcl              ah, apparently not
19:59 druthb            https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_symbol
20:00 mtompset          Seriously? A discussion about REAL currency and problems in Koha has degenerated to FICTIONAL ones? :P
20:00 rhcl              BTC is virtual but certainly real
20:04 wizzyrea          hi
20:05 * magnuse         waves to wizzyrea then wanders off into the night
20:08 wizzyrea          did you really expect that this channel would be all business all the time?
20:08 wizzyrea          seriously?
20:08 wizzyrea          no wonder it's quiet so much now.
20:19 mtompset          Because we're having too much fun in real life? ;)
20:23 mtompset          wizzyrea: And of course not.
20:23 mtompset          Just staring at currency stuff most of the day driving me crazy.
20:26 mtompset          Greetings, tcohen.
20:26 tcohen            hi mtompset
20:58 tcohen            wizzyrea++
21:05 cait              @later tell ashimema maybe 11952 is interesting for the plack/nginx bug
21:05 huginn            cait: The operation succeeded.
21:06 cait              hi tcohen :)
21:07 tcohen            hi
21:07 wahanui           hola, tcohen
21:16 mtompset          cait: I can see where you are coming from, but consistency in terms of currencies listed in all of them, and no truncates or foreign key turn offs would be good. I attached a script for file generation.
21:16 cait              ?
21:16 cait              not sure i understand
21:16 cait              i agree that the sql should be similar
21:17 cait              but the currencies listed could differ I think
21:19 cait              I think in a german sample file RUB and UAH would not make much sense
21:23 eythian           hi
21:26 cait              hi eythian
21:26 indradg           ok! my issues migration problem is solved! :-) the itemnumber and borrowernumber FK constraints were are work, and hence the mismatch in number of records
21:26 cait              i commented on your bug, hopefully it was not total nonsense
21:26 * indradg         waves as wizzyrea
21:27 wizzyrea          hallo
21:27 indradg           hi
21:30 eythian           cait: saw that.
21:31 wizzyrea          @quote random
21:31 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #104: "<Brooke> not people quoting me *again*" (added by druthb at 01:07 AM, November 17, 2010)
21:31 cait              @quote random
21:31 huginn            cait: Quote #256: "<jcamins> Cool. New and spectacularly revised deduper works. And it is, if I may say, a super deduper." (added by wizzyrea at 03:33 AM, June 05, 2013)
21:31 cait              @quote random
21:31 huginn            cait: Quote #56: "* jdavidb makes sure no kitty carcasses are among the dead bugs." (added by gmcharlt at 01:34 PM, February 11, 2010)
21:31 wizzyrea          @quote random
21:31 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #268: "<jcamins> windows-- <jcamins> ie-- <oleonard> You'll have to go elsewhere if you're looking to pick a fight jcamins" (added by gmcharlt at 06:40 PM, July 31, 2013)
21:32 wizzyrea          ^ hahahaha
21:32 cait              *giggles*
21:33 eythian           http://i.imgur.com/u3S72a2.jpg <-- Germans, eh
21:37 cait              eythian: hmpf?
21:38 eythian           wahanui: germs
21:38 wahanui           germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
21:38 eythian           wahanui: germs
21:38 wahanui           Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
21:39 cait              eythian: you are really being mean tonight... tsk.
21:39 eythian           heh
21:40 mtompset          Have a great day, #koha.
21:41 cait              going to bed now
21:41 * cait            blames eythian
21:41 cait              ;)
21:41 eythian           it's probably true :)
21:41 cait              night all!
21:41 wahanui           goodnight cait. You'll be back.
21:55 wizzyrea          @quote random
21:55 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010)
21:57 eythian           that totally makes no sense out of context.
22:05 wizzyrea          sure it does.
22:05 wizzyrea          @quote random
22:05 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #110: "chris: im rm, not god" (added by kf at 10:20 AM, December 08, 2010)
22:05 wizzyrea          @quote random
22:05 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #283: "<ashimema> ... looks like 'rtfm' only works if you read it right. :P" (added by mtompset at 01:29 AM, November 01, 2013)
22:24 wajasu            dcook: were you persuing bug 11232? where to do you think it stands?
22:24 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
22:26 dcook             wajasu: Perusing? I'm the one who reported it :p
22:27 dcook             As far as I know, no one is working on it.
22:29 wajasu            i had dont a patch that doesn't use zebra for facets, but then i have to get the result record and inspect all those marcxml chunks, and if a query has a huge result set (10000 plus) it might be a burden for the server.
22:29 wajasu            i was going to give coding the facets a try to see if that would be better.
22:29 wajasu            to zebra
22:31 dcook             I don't really follow what you're saying, but by all means try it out. All the info you should need should be in the comments on that bug report.
22:31 wajasu            well, i might give it a shot then.
22:32 wajasu            didn't want to work something someone else was working on.
22:32 dcook             I suppose you never know. I don't really have any idea what anyone is working on except maybe eythian :p
22:32 dcook             As for me...nothing too exciting on my front.
22:33 dcook             Hoping to actually test patches and maybe get more local patches into the community, but nothing in terms of major enhancements