Time Nick Message
00:00 dcook Hmm, that moment when you thought you removed your code from your test Koha and see it there waiting for you in the morning.
00:01 dcook I guess that's...handy.
00:23 dcook release?
00:23 wahanui i think release is the 22nd nz time every month
00:23 dcook Hmm
00:23 dcook 3.16?
00:24 dcook May I suppose
00:25 rangi yep may 22
00:25 dcook Debating whether I should do a custom version of 3.14 or 3.16
00:25 dcook 3.16 already has a bunch of my "customizations" in it...
00:25 dcook Or rather, it will
00:26 dcook May 22 isn't super soon though..
00:27 dcook feature freeze?
00:27 wahanui feature freeze is 3 October 2013
00:27 dcook Hmm..
00:29 * gmcharlt will announce a feature freeze date in the next couple days
00:29 dcook That's cause you're awesome, gmcharlt ;)
00:30 gmcharlt no, I am merely reminded ;)
00:51 pianohacker rangi: around?
00:52 rangi am now
00:53 pianohacker rangi: it a reasonable time where you are? have lost track of timezones
00:53 rangi yep, its 1.53pm
00:54 wizzyrea it is not so reasonable if you are in france though ;)
00:54 pianohacker yeah, need to get to bed but enjoying a bit of peace
00:55 rangi calm after the storm? :)
00:55 pianohacker rangi: the reason I poke you is because I'm just working on a new script that uses Koha::Database, and just 'use Koha::Database;' takes 1.5 seconds on an SSD
00:55 pianohacker rangi: (pretty much)
00:57 rangi hmm, that doesnt seem right
00:57 pianohacker yeah, that was my thought
00:57 pianohacker It's super basic right now; I can send you the NYTprof results if you want
00:58 rangi ill have to investigate that a bit, it shouldnt take that long .. where its getting stuck?
00:59 pianohacker rangi: It all tails off of the load_namespaces in Koha::Schema, couldn't find any particular culprit
00:59 rangi right
00:59 rangi thanks for the heads up, ill do some more investimigating
00:59 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/ <-- updated (just as an aside)
01:00 pianohacker sweet, thanks rangi
01:00 pianohacker even if it's just my machine being weird probably still worth investigating
01:00 rangi yeah
01:03 pianohacker all right, night all
01:03 dcook Thanks for the link, rangi. That's exactly what I need at the moment :D.
01:17 eythian I have a slow startup on my system too, not sure if it's Koha::Database or Catmandu or what though, and haven't looked.
01:18 rangi @later tell pianohacker ill just leave this here for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGpzGu9Yp6Y
01:19 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
01:20 eythian dig -t NAPTR +short eff.org | sort
01:41 eythian rangi: so currently SIP doesn't block issues if fines are too high && staff overrides are possible.
01:41 eythian do you reckon it'd be OK to just fix that (it seems like a bug), or should it require a syspref?
01:42 eythian It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to have "here's a limit, except it's ignored in this arbitrary case."
01:42 rangi i think just fix that
01:42 eythian cool
01:44 dcook I think it might work for expired patrons too
01:44 dcook We did a local fix but I can't remember if it was based on a community fix or not..
01:44 dcook Worth looking at if you're working on SIP though
01:44 * dcook whistles
01:45 eythian It runs it past C4::Circulation::CanBookBeIssued. That should flag up the borrower being expired, except that probably actually happens earlier in the regular circulation process (but not the SIP one.)
01:48 dcook Alas, I can't recall :/. But I seem to remember that we were having that issue.
01:50 dcook Hmm, it looks like maybe it was saying "this patron is valid" even when they're expired
01:50 dcook That might be all. Not sure what impact that has on checkouts and other stuff when using SIP
02:14 dcook gmcharlt: Around for a quick MARC::Field question?
02:14 dcook Or maybe it's more of a Perl question..
02:15 dcook If a first indicator were 0, how would one check for 0 rather than for false?
02:16 dcook I'm trying to recall if a string with a value of 0 is still evaluated as false..
02:19 eythian it is
02:19 eythian if you really want defined, then you want defined()
02:19 eythian I don't know if that applies to indicators though
02:20 dcook What I really want is just to know if there is a value of 0
02:22 dcook I suppose I can just try it out
02:23 dcook Hmm, that's not good..
02:25 dcook I am so confused...
02:26 dcook It seems to evaluate to true when the actual value is either undef or 0
02:26 dcook Which...probably does bring me back to defined(0)?
02:30 dcook Nope...not that either
02:31 dcook Blarg. It won't work that well anyway...
02:47 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:49 eythian_ wahanui: kathryn
02:49 wahanui i think kathryn is on the left of https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ofqX3S0SPDo/UGIT5sSfE6I/AAAAAAAATng/bQYU5Chf6Qc/s720/ROSS9901.JPG
02:56 mtompset what is that a photo of?!
02:57 mtompset Greetings, eythian, eythian_. :)
02:58 eythian_ It's rangi and Kathryn at a library conference.
02:59 dcook Oh man, GetMarcNotes just seems worse and worse..
02:59 mtompset It looks far more equestrian in nature.
02:59 dcook Well, maybe not worse and worse. Just...blerg.
02:59 dcook lol
02:59 mtompset blerg? Any relation to zerg?
02:59 dcook eythian: I had forgotten about that photo
03:00 dcook mtompset: More a relation to "I wish that I had time to re-write things"
03:00 mtompset Been there, done that. :)
03:00 dcook I was hoping that you had fixed this :p
03:00 mtompset That's why I actually did it for the News stuffs -- 7567. :)
03:01 mtompset Why would I have touched it?
03:01 dcook Weren't you working on honouring the visibility from the frameworks?
03:01 mtompset Yes, I believe that is 10589, 10895, and 10900.
03:01 mtompset Oh wait.... no...
03:01 mtompset that was...
03:02 mtompset 11592.
03:03 mtompset I touched GetMarcSubjects. ;)
03:03 dcook A little bit :p
03:04 mtompset Didn't need to touch it alot. :)
03:04 dcook How so?
03:04 dcook It wouldn't honour the frameworks either
03:06 mtompset I filter out the biblio? I think.
03:07 mtompset I wrote a function called GetFilteredBiblio.
03:07 mtompset GetFilteredOpacBiblio.
03:08 mtompset You don't find the notes if they've been filtered out. ;)
03:08 dcook Are you sure about that?
03:08 dcook GetMarcSubjects and GetMarcNotes don't use your function, I believe
03:08 mtompset That's right.
03:08 wahanui no it's not.
03:08 dcook Maybe I'm wrong
03:08 mtompset But opac/opac-detail does.
03:08 dcook Actually, as I look at it, I'm hoping I'm wrong
03:09 mtompset Look at bug 11592.
03:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , opac scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility
03:09 dcook I'm looking at it now
03:09 dcook My mistake. I thought the Get* subs called the record themselves
03:09 dcook But I see that they must use your filtered version
03:09 dcook That's cool
03:09 mtompset Exactly. :0
03:09 dcook Alas, not helpful for my quandry :/
03:10 dcook I need to hide the 541 when indicator 1 is set to 0
03:10 dcook But ideally, it would only hide it in the OPAC
03:10 mtompset Oooo...
03:10 dcook Because the staff client would be "private"
03:10 mtompset Now, is this only in opac?
03:11 dcook Well, that's debateable
03:12 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd541.html
03:12 dcook It depends on what one considers to be "private"
03:12 dcook I would consider the staff client to be private, while the opac is public
03:12 mtompset True... and whether private = hidden.
03:12 mtompset You might want to syspref it. ;)
03:12 dcook Well, in this case, it's personal information
03:12 dcook Always private
03:13 mtompset But private doesn't mean hidden. There may be private information you wish to show. ;)
03:13 dcook "Whether the contents of the field are private or not. The state of being private includes information that institutions do not want to display to the public because it is sensitive or restricted."
03:14 kathryn are you using wahanui as you image catalogue, eythian ?!
03:14 mtompset And that's from definition... :)
03:14 kathryn hi everyone :)
03:14 dcook That's from the MARC spec
03:14 mtompset kathryn! ;)
03:14 dcook yo kathryn
03:14 kathryn hiyas :)
03:14 * mtompset frowns at wahanui.
03:14 dcook Imma have some lunch
03:14 wajasu i'm working a patch right now for hidden to hide biblios if all items hidden. if it works, it can extend to other tags.
03:14 mtompset wajasu: This isn't about TAGS.
03:15 mtompset It's about INDICATORS.
03:15 wajasu oh
03:16 mtompset Is your mind blown yet, wajasu? ;)
03:16 wajasu well.
03:16 wajasu i understand the code now. but its quite misleading. not intuitive.
03:17 wajasu i can tell now that most everything is named/driven from zebra and MARC::
03:19 mtompset kathryn?
03:19 wahanui kathryn is on the left of https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ofqX3S0SPDo/UGIT5sSfE6I/AAAAAAAATng/bQYU5Chf6Qc/s720/ROSS9901.JPG
03:19 mtompset Okay, wahanui does remember. :)
03:19 kathryn yeah rangi tells me I can ask wahanui to forget :)
03:19 wajasu in france?
03:20 kathryn seeya all :)
03:46 mtompset @later tell pianohacker bug 11762 you forgot to mark as signed off. :P
03:46 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
03:47 dcook Does anyone have any tricks for knowing then they're in the opac or in the staff client?
03:47 dcook From a code point of view, preferably whilst in a Perl module.
03:47 dcook Which doesn't actually make sense...
03:49 mtompset depend on which perl module and where. ;)
03:53 mtompset For the most part, the perl code calling the method in a module would pass the parameter.
03:56 mtompset dcook: What are you trying to do now?
04:04 dcook Aha. Found a solution.
04:05 dcook In all the places that use GetMarcNotes, catalogue/detail.pl really is the only time that we should be able to see otherwise private notes
04:05 dcook basket and virtualshelves are places it should probably be hidden still since they're used for transmission...
04:10 mtompset but those .pl programs know if they are intranet or opac. ;)
04:11 dcook Yes, yes they do.
04:11 dcook That's what I ended up doing.
04:11 dcook I rather not edit the sub to introduce another argument, but that's what I did.
04:11 mtompset which sub?
04:11 dcook ...
04:12 mtompset GetMarcNotes?
04:26 mtompset Well, signed a couple things off. Explained a couple things. I think I got some productivity in. :)
04:27 mtompset Have a great day, #koha dcook kathryn wajasu eythian.
04:52 gmcharlt dcook: $foo eq '0'
04:53 dcook gmcharlt: Thanks :). jcamins eventually pointed that out to me as well.
04:54 dcook I thought that I'd tried that but I must've tried something else instead.
04:54 dcook From what I read, 0 has to be treated as a string?
04:54 dcook Because $foo == 0 would always be the equivalent of $foo == false?
04:55 dcook Or I guess Perl doesn't let you use false anyway..
04:56 dcook PHP blurring into the brain..
04:56 dcook Err Perl brain
04:56 dcook Thanks again, lol </rant>
06:55 cait bonjour #koha
06:55 cait JesseM: how is Rome? :)
06:56 JesseM beautiful. had some good pizza lastnight
06:56 cait :)
06:56 cait we went to a nice place too
06:57 JesseM did you hike to the Cathedral
07:23 cait not so far
07:43 jajm hello
07:43 wahanui hey, jajm
07:48 reiveune hello
07:57 Joubu hi
08:00 paxed can i remove languages from the adv search language limit selection?
08:00 dpavlin today we will work on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Handling_UTF8_in_development submitting patches to get Koha code in line with recommendations there
08:05 * magnuse waves
08:05 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:05 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 7.1°C (9:05 AM CET on March 14, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
08:05 magnuse @wunder boo
08:05 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 14, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Steady).
08:06 magnuse yeah...
08:07 pianohacker good morning
08:07 pianohacker woke up a bit late but on my way soon
08:10 paxed is there any way to limit patron deletion access rights only to some staff members?
08:12 bag morning
08:12 wahanui i guess morning is a state of cat
08:15 sophie_m hello
08:15 wahanui what's up, sophie_m
08:19 cait morning bag - how is Rome? :)
08:20 cait dpavlin++ :)
08:20 cait paxed: only with jQuery right now, but there is a patch proposed to make that configurable
08:21 cait paxed: I thik there are no subpermissions to borrowers currently, so if you can edit/add you can also delete
08:23 paxed cait: ugh.
08:27 cait going to work on bug 9366 now
08:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9366 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , On cataloguing each user can easily display tags or not
08:36 magnuse bag: HI
08:38 bag magnuse: HI
08:38 wahanui que tal, bag
08:40 fridolin hie all
08:47 cait tcohen++
08:47 cait On bug 4397 now -one line change making all the difference :)
08:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4397 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , display problems (umlauts, ß) with scan index in advanced search
08:49 magnuse bag: HI
08:59 cait hmmm
09:30 cait @later tell tcohen ping me about bug 4397 please? I can't reproduce the problem right now :(
09:30 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
09:39 grex hi.
09:39 grex it happened again, i sent an email to the list and it never appeared on the list.
09:40 grex like last time i was writing about that, but 15 minutes later the message appeared, but now it's more than 12 hours, something is strange with mailing list and me ^ ^
09:45 ashimema ready, set... go
09:45 ashimema and the utf8 debate is in full swing
11:01 francharb hello all
11:17 dpavlin git.koha-community.org is down?
11:17 dpavlin from Marseille hackfest at least :-\
11:18 bag hmm let me check dpavlin
11:18 cait uhoh
11:19 bag dpavlin: looks perfectly fine to me
11:19 cait also trying
11:20 cait it's really slow but it opens after awhile
11:20 dpavlin doesn't work for me or Zeno
11:20 cait maybe wifi again?
11:20 dpavlin fatal: read error: Connection reset by peer
11:20 dpavlin nop, I can type into irc :-)
11:20 bag I see that too dpavlin
11:24 cait dpavlin: I had it that i could only not access some websites... but others still worked
11:30 magnuse_ bag: HI
12:17 oleonard Hi #koha
12:19 grex ok, since i'm not able again to send emails to the list, i try to ask here about my problem.
12:19 grex i tried the ./bulkmarcimport -b -d thing to reset the catalogues.
12:19 grex ... need to reimport some changed marc files from scratch.
12:19 grex but after "deleting biblios"
12:20 grex i get the DBD::mysql::db do failed: Cannot truncate a table referenced in a
12:20 grex foreign key constraint
12:20 grex error. so something is locked or similar, but i have no clue "where" to look.
12:20 grex any help would be great. thank you all.
12:23 pianohacker grex_: do you have a line number for that error?
12:25 grex sure
12:26 grex 115, 116 and 117
12:26 grex so it's this:
12:26 grex $dbh->do("truncate biblio"); $dbh->do("truncate biblioitems"); $dbh->do("truncate items");
12:29 petter grex: try "delete from items", "delete from biblioitems" & "delete from biblio" at the MySQL prompt instead
12:29 pianohacker good idea
12:32 pianohacker (that's a really odd mysql limitatin)
12:33 petter You can also disable foreign key constraints before truncating tables, but I would recommend against it
12:33 grex mh but this ends in the same issue:
12:33 grex ERROR 1451 (23000): Cannot delete or update a parent row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha_rls-sachsen`.`issues`, CONSTRAINT `issues_ibfk_2` FOREIGN KEY (`itemnumber`) REFERENCES `items` (`itemnumber`) ON UPDATE CASCADE
12:34 petter Ah, so you have to "delete from issues" first
12:34 petter Maybe there are other constrains too, I don't fully know all the releationships
12:34 petter If you dont wanna keep any of your data, maybe its better & less risky to just koha-create a new instance
12:35 grex ah that would be not so fine. i like to try to circumvent that
12:35 pianohacker grex: =======
12:35 pianohacker my $shibbolethAuthentication = C4::Context->config('useshibboleth');
12:35 pianohacker $template->param( shibbolethAuthentication => $shibbolethAuthentication);
12:35 pianohacker >>>>>>> d7ba985... Remove two small bugs
12:35 pianohacker woops
12:36 pianohacker grex: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15501673/how-to-temporarily-disable-a-foreign-key-constraint-in-mysql
12:39 tcohen morning
12:39 grex thank you i'll read through. seems the issues table deleting would also make it.
12:39 petter yea, I would not recommend turning of foreign key constrains
12:40 petter the errors you get is a good thing
12:40 petter It means MySQL doesnt corrupt your database
12:40 petter I think its because you have issues (checkin/checkouts) on the records you want to delete
12:40 petter So if you can drop your issues table first, that should resolve it.
12:41 tcohen cait: i cannot seem to reproduce the breakage you mentioned on bug 4397, and I also happen to be able to reproduce the bug and confirm the fix works on several scenarios
12:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4397 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , display problems (umlauts, ß) with scan index in advanced search
12:41 tcohen maybe you could share something about your setup
12:41 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:41 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 17.3°C (9:40 AM ART on March 14, 2014). Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
12:45 grex yes it looks fine that way, seems to work. then i leave it this way, not touching the FK.
12:45 grex thank you.
12:45 grex anyone of you connected to the maillinglist administration? It's really strange that i cannot post sometimes.
12:48 petter hm, that is strange
12:48 petter Which mailing list?
12:48 petter http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
12:48 petter this one?
12:48 wahanui this one is cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement
12:48 oleonard grex: Are your messages getting bounced, or do they just take longer than you expect to appear?
12:48 grex yes this
12:49 grex well usually they take 2-15 minutes
12:49 grex something like this
12:49 grex but i.e. yesterday 7pm (GMT+1) i sent an email.
12:49 grex and as well today 30 minutes ago.
12:49 grex and nothing appeared.
12:49 grex and no bounce back, just nothing
12:50 cait tcohen: yeah it's strange :(
12:50 cait tcohen: no idea why it works weirdly for me rightnow
12:50 cait tcohen: might have something to do with grs1/icu dom/... whatever?
12:50 tcohen is it the only thing that is broken?
12:50 cait the umlauts?
12:50 tcohen i've tested in grs1 and dom, but not ICU
12:51 jcamins I tested with ICU, and I saw the bug too.
12:53 jcamins I mean, the one that tcohen worked on.
12:53 jcamins Not the problem that cait reports.
12:53 ashimema Oh la
12:53 tcohen hola :-d
12:54 cait i think i have to read back
12:54 ashimema Airports are boring
12:54 wahanui ashimema: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead.
12:54 cait ashimema: airport? :)
12:54 wahanui cait: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead.
12:54 cait ashimema: so come back here? :)
12:54 ashimema Lol
12:55 cait you missed french lunch :)
12:55 cait and lemon cake
12:56 ashimema Sounds tasy, I picked up a croc masuer on the way
12:57 ashimema Apologies to all French reading that, it qas a real butchering of the spelling
12:57 oleonard That even hurt my eyes ashimema ;)
12:57 ashimema Irc on android aling with my own bad spelllung leaves for some epic typos
12:58 grex maybe my emailserver is spamlisted, but that won't explain why the mails sometimes get through.
12:59 cait grex: bulkmarkimport has a switch that will delete your data before importing i think
12:59 cait maybe just try that?
13:01 grex yeah this the -d switch, but this is exactly what doesn't work if any of the items are markes as lend. as far as i understood
13:04 cait grex: if you use staged import from the interface you can also undo imports
13:04 cait but yeah, deleting imports with issues will leave you with data inconsistencies
13:05 cait they will still be on he patron account, but without title... (did that in the past)
13:05 cait wb ashimema
13:05 cait grex: and i see that you are in Germany? :)
13:05 cait tcohen: not sure what to try, maybe we have to postpone to another day - i will certainly try again. Maybe i will try with my unimarc installaton
13:05 ashimema Airport wifi.. squirrely
13:05 wahanui ashimema: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead.
13:06 ashimema Ack.. stupid wahanui
13:06 cait heh
13:06 ashimema What you broken now cait
13:06 cait nothin!
13:06 cait ok
13:06 cait i have send up pianohacker to notre dame de la garde...
13:06 tcohen maybe share your error message/log?
13:07 cait tcohen: it shouldn't need reindexing or restart of zebra, right?
13:07 cait so what i do is
13:08 tcohen the patch? no
13:08 cait staff search - more options - scan indexes check - keyword: fußball
13:09 cait the ß now looks correct for me before and after your patch - which is werid
13:09 cait so by default there is Any Word selected
13:09 cait i change that to 'title'
13:09 cait and type in 'fußball' again
13:09 cait enter
13:09 cait Error: Can't locate object method "term" via package "ZOOM::ResultSet" at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 460.
13:10 cait but that's not a blocker, it also happens on master
13:10 tcohen are you using QueryParser?
13:10 cait hmmmm
13:10 cait i might
13:10 tcohen because it sounds there are no results
13:10 cait yes, was using queryparser
13:10 cait repeating steps
13:10 tcohen maybe the query is not built correctly?
13:10 jcamins Oh, interesting. Actually, the display works correctly for me with ß.
13:11 cait jcamins: exactly
13:11 cait it didn't use to, i have screenshots to prove it!
13:11 jcamins However, other characters still don't work.
13:11 cait but the umlauts still get reduced to the base char
13:11 cait arabic works nicely as well
13:11 grex yes, i'm from germany ;)
13:11 cait jcamins: do you see a difference between before/after applying the patch?
13:11 jcamins cait: I didn't try the patch.
13:11 jcamins I was just looking at umlauts.
13:11 * cait too
13:12 cait ah
13:12 tcohen yes, your problem appears when using QueryParser
13:12 cait tcohen: yes, but that is totally unrelated to why i am hesitating to pass it
13:12 grex i know the undo function in the staff interface, but due some lack of .... concentration i clicked "delete" the batch before i came to the undo button.
13:12 tcohen so, it is a QueryParser problem, maybe fill another bug?
13:12 grex dumb me ;)
13:12 cait the problem is, i can't reproduce the original bug :(
13:12 jcamins I'm using QueryParser and it works fine without the patch.
13:12 jcamins Well...
13:12 cait grex: i guess it has happened to a lot of people before...
13:12 jcamins "fine."
13:13 cait :)
13:13 tcohen heh
13:13 * jcamins heads into the city.
13:13 tcohen jcamins, from the scan results page, following cait's example I got this http://snag.gy/6PJmS.jpg
13:13 cait jcamins: so Title wrks for you?
13:14 cait becaus title phrase does for me, but title does not
13:14 cait tcohen: that looks very familiar to me :)
13:14 jcamins Oh, I didn't try title,wrdl, since that's doesn't make any sense.
13:14 jcamins *that
13:15 cait but can we go back to the initial problem for a second?
13:15 cait my problem is
13:15 tcohen cait: http://snag.gy/il5o5.jpg
13:15 cait that suddenly i don't have @ showing up in my index terms any longer
13:15 cait i mean the change makes great sense
13:16 cait and it doesn't break anything as far as I can tell
13:16 cait but i am really puzzled why i can't reproduce the initial problem
13:16 tcohen try with other kind of characters?
13:16 cait i tried with arabic
13:16 cait and german umlauts so far
13:17 cait the thing for umlauts is that they lose the dots/diacritic
13:17 tcohen cait: with and without the patch?
13:17 jcamins cait: ICU fixes it for non-diacritic characters.
13:18 jcamins I was testing with umlauts before.
13:18 cait jcamins: AHA!
13:18 cait ansÄb > index shows: ansab
13:19 cait tcohen: yes, can't detect any difference before and after the patch
13:19 cait but if it fixes for chr indexing, that would make sense
13:19 cait tcohen: going to try with unimarc
13:22 cait it's supposed to be chr indexed
13:22 cait but i have my doubts
13:24 cait hm
13:24 cait sorry, i am stuck
13:25 rhcl @seen barton
13:25 huginn rhcl: barton was last seen in #koha 2 days, 17 hours, 28 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <barton> Somewhere in the last couple of months, I asked a question or two about the scripts which generate notices and slips, and I think that someone said that these were likely to be re-written. Is there an open bug for this? (I did a quick search, but wasn't really sure what I should be searching for).
13:26 rhcl that's not right, he was on yesterday at 14:21 my time.
13:28 cait rhcl: maybe slightly different name then
13:29 rhcl nope, exactly the same
13:30 cait tcohen: i think i have to make usre one of the instances uses chr indexing to test furtcher
13:30 rhcl I wonder if it goes by the last time someone actually spoke, and not just changing nics or something
13:30 cait but i have the new apache and don't want to mess up the files rightnow by rerunning Makefile.pl
13:30 oleonard rhcl: It does
13:30 rhcl that explains it thne
13:30 rhcl then
13:30 * tcohen has several koha-dev-* dirs to switch from one to the other as needed
13:31 oleonard That's why one should always talk all the time.
13:31 rhcl :)
13:33 cait tcohen: yeah, my unimarc installation is supposed to cover chr... but i think i changed it for some test and now have to fix it first
13:39 cait oleonard: hm one thing that strikes me about the nice new tools submenu - it's a bit hard to 'run'
13:39 oleonard ?
13:40 cait oleonard: because run is in the middle of the options, so it needs one clickmore and careful mouse navigating
13:40 cait if you 'run' a saved report
13:40 tcohen gmcharlt: do we have unit tests for scan searches?
13:50 grex someone know which marc field is responsible for the "item type" field in the opac holdings view?
13:54 wajasu in the defauult framework mapping the items "itype" maps to (952y). That may be it.
13:54 cait grex: there are 2
13:55 cait it depends on your item-level_itypes or similar pref named setting
13:55 cait i'd recommend using item leven itypes, then it's 952$y
13:55 grex ok, i use 952y and in the opac view there is a line "type:" and it says book with a icon
13:56 grex but in the holdings tab the itemtype is empty
13:56 cait aah
13:56 cait that is something else
13:56 grex oh
13:56 cait it's calculated from the fixed fields
13:56 grex fixed fields?
13:56 wahanui fixed fields are a problem for a cataloging editor.
13:56 cait you can turn it off via pref or you have to figure out how to set... 008 and LDR i tihnk
13:57 magnuse_ so did y'all fix all the bugs while we visited notre dame de la garde?
13:57 cait magnuse_: tried to... but didn#t get very far
13:57 grex ..oO(i have always problems to translate these terms to german, since i never use koha in english)
13:57 magnuse_ gah
14:00 grex mh ok i changed "item-level_itypes to "Titelsatz" from "einzelnes Exemplar" and the empty item type in holdings view disappeared.
14:01 grex which is ok
14:01 grex to biblio record from specific item
14:02 cait hm
14:02 cait i would have left it to einzelnes exemplar
14:02 cait and you should give your items an 952$y
14:05 cait it's important for circ later how you do htat
14:06 cait say you have 2 items where one is 'präsenz' and the other is 'ausleihbar' then you will need to set that to einzelnes Exemplar
14:06 grex but they have 952y
14:08 grex i mean i use it for Book/Buch. something says to me that was wrong ;)
14:08 grex <marc:subfield code="y">Buch</marc:subfield>
14:16 gaetan_B a few pictures of the hackfest are available here: https://depot.biblibre.com/gboisson/hackfest2014/
14:22 oleonard Thanks gaetan_B. Not nearly as good as being there :)
14:23 JesseM cait were you waiting for bag and I to leave to take the group picture :P
14:23 cait you'd have to ask paul_p that :)
14:23 cait grex: itemtypes are defined in administration :)
14:23 JesseM How was todays hike?
14:24 cait administration > itemtypes
14:24 cait and then you put the code into y
14:24 magnuse_ JesseM: good! very nice view. did you go up there?
14:24 JesseM No I didn't make it up there
14:24 cait but it#s really a question on how you want your circ rules later to be - for example we oftendon't use itemtypes (medientypen) here but make it circulation types (präsenz, normale ausleihe, kurzleihe)
14:24 JesseM something to look forward to for next year
14:25 gaetan_B yep, we had to wait until bag and JesseM had left before doing all the cool stuff
14:25 grex mh, yes, in fact these are all books, why to define ;)
14:25 bag :P
14:25 JesseM :)
14:25 gaetan_B including eating in a french restaurant, which we only did yesterday !
14:25 grex but the problem is i have a old database from a dos program with 30000 Books.
14:25 grex there are no flagas like präsenz, nicht ausleihbar and so on.
14:25 grex so i decided to just use "Buch".
14:26 grex but don't get why it does not show in the holdings view, but in the opac view.
14:26 cait grex: that's ok
14:26 cait but still define one in administration
14:26 cait one itemtype to use for all your things
14:26 grex i have i have
14:26 cait ok :)
14:26 cait then you need to know that it's case sensitive
14:26 cait so the code if normal upper case
14:27 cait probably BUCH if you have defined one, and that iwll make a difference on import
14:27 grex oh. in marc fields it is Buch
14:27 grex so thats the problem eh? damn :D
14:28 cait well, at least not hard to fix :)
14:29 cait so onw i helped you... when your library has migrated to Koha - would you mind putting your name on the wiki? :)
14:29 grex yes i have this on the "to do".
14:30 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Europe
14:30 cait cool :)
14:30 cait i am always happy to learn about other german koha users
14:32 grex yeah i add, as soon i think, it's productive now ;)
14:39 cait grex: :)
14:45 marcelr hi #koha
14:46 marcelr how is the party in marseille?
14:47 marcelr dpavlin: order is fine with me
14:47 marcelr dpavlin++ #for utf-8 work too
14:54 rhcl @seen davie
14:55 rhcl bot done gone?
14:56 oleonard @seen davie
14:56 huginn oleonard: I have not seen davie.
14:56 oleonard leading space, rhcl
14:56 rhcl yea, see that now
15:04 tcohen icu?
15:04 wahanui icu is a good idea.
15:04 tcohen icu?
15:04 wahanui rumour has it icu is needed, if you want to search non-Roman characters with Zebra
15:04 gmcharlt marcelr: just for you, apropos of bug 9366
15:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9366 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , On cataloguing each user can easily display tags or not
15:05 gmcharlt introducing... the super advanced MARC editor: http://screencast.com/t/yjuJxzjV27O3 !
15:05 marcelr hi gmcharlt
15:06 tcohen gmcharlt: the '?' symbols are hidden
15:07 magnuse_ gmcharlt: that IS advanced!
15:07 tcohen but the checkbox+label still shows
15:07 gmcharlt tcohen: yeah, the screenshot is pre-patch
15:07 marcelr katrin loves it :)
15:09 cait huh?
15:09 marcelr bug 9366 cait
15:09 marcelr i had some doubts last year
15:09 cait i wouldn't go that far, but it seemed to work well now
15:09 marcelr comment 22
15:09 cait consistent
15:09 marcelr well leave it for galen
15:09 marcelr :)
15:10 cait ah you can't hide bothnow
15:10 cait iwell at least I didn't manage to
15:10 pianohacker gmcharlt: we may as well stop development of rancor now, we've been outclassed
15:10 cait if you have advancededitor the options for hiding documentaiton links and descriptions don't show
15:11 cait gmcharlt: ugh reading back now - how did you manage that?
15:11 cait i didn't :(
15:11 gmcharlt pianohacker: on the other hand, super-advanced mode surely makes your life easier! you don't need to worry about translations! ;)
15:11 pianohacker ahahaha true
15:11 marcelr pianohacker: what about notepad
15:11 cait is that an old screenshot or one taken with the patch now?
15:11 gmcharlt cait: pre patch, hide_marc set to don't display, advancedMARCeditor on
15:11 cait ah
15:12 cait so the cookie is still around?
15:12 gmcharlt yes
15:12 cait ah sorry, i didn't think of old cookies
15:12 cait is that a blocker?
15:12 gmcharlt ah, no
15:12 gmcharlt there's no blocker here
15:12 cait we recommend that libraries delete their browser cache etc after an update
15:13 gmcharlt I was just making a joke
15:13 cait i had some wierd things with cookies happen in acq once
15:13 cait ah... i am a bit tired today :)
15:13 gmcharlt to emphasize, the screenshot is *pre*-patch
15:13 cait ... and pianohacker is poking me!!!
15:13 pianohacker she deserved it
15:14 marcelr magnuse_: your patch reached PQA before I could even touch it again
15:15 * cait hides
15:17 gmcharlt is there a problem with it?
15:17 marcelr if it refers to magnus' patch, i would say no
15:18 gmcharlt ok
15:18 marcelr nothing better than passing a patch the second time :)
15:18 marcelr maybe the first time as exception
15:19 pianohacker I'm generally happy with the fifth
15:19 marcelr :)
15:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11637: don't try to guess publication dates for irregular subscriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fac91e2ce1210ad202e321d1f4de2383ac693dd3> / Bug 9366: add widget to bib editor to control display of the MARC tags <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=24470f70e1e420883f3eb8cc594211568729f9ee> / Bug 10647 - Make OPAC MARC plain view work for all flavours of
15:21 mtompset magnuse_: You here? :)
15:22 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:22 magnuse_ yup
15:22 marcelr hi magnuse_ mtompset
15:22 mtompset Did you see my followup comment on bug 10825?
15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10825 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , detail.tt displays duplicated enumchron values for serial items
15:22 mtompset Greetings, marcelr. :)
15:23 magnuse_ mtompset: yeah, got it. i don't think i'm the right person to sign t off, though
15:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #390 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:24 cait oleonard: you are fixing all the bugs i filed for new committers right now ;)
15:25 cait but it's ok, i will find more :)
15:25 * oleonard was not in on the plan!
15:26 cait hehe i will add a hint next time :)
15:27 cait and i have run out of candidate developers for now anyway :)
15:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #1665 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:31 mtompset magnuse_: If not 10825, how about bug 11797? ;)
15:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11797 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , auth_finder.pl: Odd number of elements in anonymous hash
15:35 mtompset It's always nice to be able to "git branch -D" because something has been pushed to master. :)
15:35 * mtompset continues to prune his branch list.
15:35 dpavlin bug 11944 is a good number -- utf-8 cleanup for the win!
15:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
15:36 gaetan_B i got to go take my train
15:36 gaetan_B thanks everyone for this hackfest !!
15:36 gaetan_B and see you next year ;)
15:37 mtompset fridolin1: Is bug 11846 yours?
15:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11846 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Correct database update for debarments with 9999-12-31
15:37 * cait waves to gaetan_B
15:37 mtompset next year?!
15:37 fridolin1 mtompset: yep
15:37 mtompset Oh... hackfest.
15:37 wahanui hackfest is http://www.biblibre.com/en/blog/koha-hackfest-marseille-2014
15:37 tcohen Joubu: we might just use 5.012 (which implies use feature 'unicode_strings')
15:37 tcohen (or the latter) and then fix breakages?
15:38 mtompset fridolin1: You commented that you corrected the patch, but I think you forgot to attach it.
15:38 cait hm
15:38 mtompset If you attach it, I will sign it off. ;)
15:38 cait my brain is not working right now
15:39 fridolin1 mtompset: yep, I think my branch is ready, just have to push
15:39 cait should we update the permissions for existing staff users when introducing the new permission proposed on bug 7292?
15:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7292 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , new permission for claims
15:40 cait I know i just passed it, but then it occured tome that it will take away permissions for existing staff users
15:40 cait like before the patch they can claim, after they won't be able to until someone sets the flag for them
15:41 mtompset I would think so. You shouldn't be forced to update settings once you upgrade.
15:51 magnuse_ my attempt at being helpful today: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/kohaprofile
15:52 magnuse_ very cool if someone would give it a spin and say if they think it is useful or not
15:52 magnuse_ and patches are more than welcome!
15:52 magnuse_ for example some output method that could be used to create pretty graphs
15:53 pianohacker magnuse_++
15:53 fridolin1 see you all,
15:54 fridolin1 and thanks for this super cool hackfest
15:54 fridolin1 :D
15:55 talljoy who's eating pie today?
15:56 rhcl If I can find some at lunch I might
15:56 talljoy at least those on 'this' side of the dateline. New zealand already had pie day yesterday, i reckon.
15:56 talljoy i'm going with a loose interpretation....pizza pie!
15:56 jcamins talljoy: mmmm. Pizza sounds good.
15:57 mtompset magnuse_: Old license. :P
15:58 mtompset talljoy: Wouldn't that be pi^2 day (PIzza PIe)? ;)
15:58 talljoy indeed it would!
15:59 mtompset Or maybe it is 2pi day, and the r used to determine the increased waistline. ;)
15:59 talljoy LOL
16:00 magnuse_ ooh, pizza pie!
16:01 cait we had lemon pie, does that count?
16:02 talljoy lemon pie. yummm
16:03 talljoy i'm thinking grilled pizza with roasted acorn squash, mozzarella cheese, pinenuts. mmmmm
16:03 talljoy with a healthy sprinkle of red pepper
16:08 cait sounds yumm as well
16:09 magnuse_ final numbers: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Marseille_hackfest_2014#Friday_afternoon_-_THE_END
16:10 magnuse_ (well, i am just about to quit - if anyone wants to do a later update today, feel free!)
16:10 wajasu mtompset: i think i got the hidden biblios via rebuild_zebra working in my personal patch environment and will test through the day.
16:11 mtompset So you added an index to hide/unhide biblios according to what criteria?
16:14 wajasu i didn't add an index as in zebra index. i added 999h=1 to the biblio that gets indexed. then the facet building code looks at that to "skip" the "hidden" biblio and not include it.
16:14 wajasu i just have the yaml hidden rules setting 999h=1 in the rebuild_zebra when all items are hidden.
16:17 wajasu i have a scenario with 3 biblios in my db. if i hide homebranch: [MPL
16:17 wajasu i still see in the facets because its got a lost item for midway.
16:19 wajasu i think i might just hve to clean up my patch. and put it on my bug today, and let you check it out. this stuff is confusing.
16:19 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #390: SUCCESS in 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/390/
16:19 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9114: Make frameworks import/export routines correctly use UTF-8
16:19 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 11403: (follow-up) Fix typo in renew help
16:19 jenkins_koha * A. Sassmannshausen: Bug 11762 - intranet & prog: Re-order 245 $a $b $h in results.
16:19 jenkins_koha * A. Sassmannshausen: Bug 11762 - bootstrap: Re-order 245 $a $b $h in results.
16:19 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 10647 - Make OPAC MARC plain view work for all flavours of MARC
16:19 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9366: add widget to bib editor to control display of the MARC tags
16:19 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11637: don't try to guess publication dates for irregular subscriptions
16:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9114 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , exported MARC frameworks encoding should be UTF-8
16:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11403 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , renew page missing help file
16:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11762 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Pushed to Master , Sequence of MARC21 245 subfields different on XSLT result list and detail page
16:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10647 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Make OPAC MARC plain view work for all flavours of MARC
16:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9366 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , On cataloguing each user can easily display tags or not
16:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11637 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , No way to prevent a prediction date for the next issue in serials
16:22 wajasu mtompset: have to go migrate library email domain today. will work this later today/tonight.
16:50 cait good bye marseille
16:51 cait good bye biblibre :)
16:51 pianohacker bye all! you have been lovely, marseille
16:51 pianohacker biblibre++
16:52 cait biblibre++ pau_p++
16:52 cait paul_p++
16:52 pianohacker paul_p++
16:53 magnuse_ biblibre++ marseille++ paul_p++
16:54 tcohen biblibre++
16:54 tcohen paul_p+
17:06 sophie_m bye
17:19 bag : so JesseM and I are sitting in a little caferia on the side of the street enjoying ichnusa beer
17:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1665: SUCCESS in 2 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1665/
17:33 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9114: Make frameworks import/export routines correctly use UTF-8
17:33 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 11403: (follow-up) Fix typo in renew help
17:33 jenkins_koha * A. Sassmannshausen: Bug 11762 - intranet & prog: Re-order 245 $a $b $h in results.
17:33 jenkins_koha * A. Sassmannshausen: Bug 11762 - bootstrap: Re-order 245 $a $b $h in results.
17:33 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 10647 - Make OPAC MARC plain view work for all flavours of MARC
17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9114 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , exported MARC frameworks encoding should be UTF-8
17:33 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9366: add widget to bib editor to control display of the MARC tags
17:33 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11637: don't try to guess publication dates for irregular subscriptions
17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11403 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , renew page missing help file
17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11762 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Pushed to Master , Sequence of MARC21 245 subfields different on XSLT result list and detail page
17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10647 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Make OPAC MARC plain view work for all flavours of MARC
17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9366 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , On cataloguing each user can easily display tags or not
17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11637 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , No way to prevent a prediction date for the next issue in serials
17:41 mtompset okay, wajasu. :)
18:15 reiveune bye
18:33 barton afternoon all...
18:38 barton Has anyone run across a bug in 3.14.04 where accepting a hold at checkin does not re-calculate the priorities of the remaining reserves for the same bib?
18:39 barton ... I'm about to file a bug. I've searched bugzilla, and I don't see anything quite like it.
18:42 oleonard I haven't heard of that barton. have you discovered whether it happens only under certain circumstances?
18:44 barton I was able to re-create it without doing anything special: I had a bib with 3 items -- checked each item out to a different borrower, then placed holds on all 3....
18:45 barton when I checked in one of the items, it prompted me to accept the hold. The accepted item had priority 0, but the other two still had priority 2 and priority 3.
18:47 barton It's somewhat like bug 10827...
18:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10827 critical, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , List of holds does not update correctly
18:49 oleonard barton: You placed item-level holds on all 3?
18:49 mtompset Greetings, barton. :)
18:50 barton No, next available.
18:50 barton hi mtompset.
18:52 oleonard barton: I can reproduce that problem.
18:52 barton Ok, I'm filing a new bug.
18:52 barton bbiab.
20:01 bag hello
20:01 wahanui kai ora, bag
20:07 oleonard Where are you now bag?
20:08 bag Rome
20:08 oleonard Awesome. Never been to Rome.
20:09 bag my first time here
20:13 * chris_n wonders why folks still insist that pie are square
20:13 oleonard Enjoy, bag, I'm outa here
20:42 pianohacker rangi: get a chance to take a look at that database slowness?
20:56 * cait waves at pianohacker
21:07 pianohacker Hi Cait
21:08 cait when do you have to get up?
21:19 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
21:19 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 25.7°C (6:15 PM ART on March 14, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
21:19 cait hi tcohen :)
21:20 tcohen hi cait
21:20 tcohen :-D
21:34 cait hi druthb
21:34 cait :)
21:34 druthb hi, cait! :D
21:41 cait @wunder marseille
21:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 7.4°C (10:41 PM CET on March 14, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
21:41 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.7°C (10:40 PM CET on March 14, 2014). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
21:48 druthb @wunder 77063
21:48 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 22.2°C (4:47 PM CDT on March 14, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
21:55 cait good night
21:55 wahanui Don't go, cait. Stay a while. Stay forever.
23:57 talljoy back