Time Nick Message 01:00 pianohacker google apparently thinks debian is something you can eat; chrome depends on both libudev.so.0 and .1, but google-talkplugin breaks completely if .0 is installed 01:00 pianohacker google-- 01:02 jcamins pianohacker: oh, yeah, it's an uncommon fruit that grows on a small island in the Pacific. 01:02 pianohacker hah! 01:53 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 01:53 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 01:53 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 25.1°C (10:50 PM ART on February 11, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 01:53 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 25.1°C (10:50 PM ART on February 11, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 01:56 pianohacker wow, still that warm at 11 PM? 01:57 tcohen yeah 01:57 pianohacker good luck staying cool... night tcohen 02:07 tcohen night #koha, last question, for tomorrow 02:07 tcohen if a cataloguer puts some weird symbols (for instance, HTML entities) 02:08 tcohen should we assume they want exactly that to show on Koha, or they are using that to trick the browser to render data in a specific way? 02:08 jcamins Then the results are undefined. 02:08 tcohen exactly 02:09 jcamins They're probably trying to trick the browser. 02:09 tcohen if we assume they have a book titled " ", we need to make a decision on how to act regarding that data 02:10 jcamins lol 02:10 dcook O_o 02:10 tcohen if we take tricky people into account, then legitimate data will show wrong (double escape) 02:10 dcook Btw, I know durian is a fruit, but debian? 02:10 jcamins dcook: that was a joke. 02:11 tcohen i don't think we have a one-size-fits-all solution 02:11 jcamins tcohen: I don't think there is a solution. 02:11 dcook I should have something witty to say in regards to not understanding jokes sometimes, but all I can think is *chocolate* 02:12 jcamins dcook: yesssssssss, chocoloate. 02:12 jcamins *chocolate 02:12 jcamins I have a chocolate torte in the fridge! 02:12 tcohen night jcamins, #koha 02:12 jcamins Good night. 02:12 wahanui Don't go, jcamins. Stay a while. Stay forever. 02:12 dcook hehe 02:12 dcook night, tcohen 05:03 mtompset Greetings, cait. 05:04 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9713443/Keys-staff-can-t-disprove-reptilian-theory <-- important New Zealand news 05:05 cait morning 05:05 eythian hi cait 05:09 mtompset Greetings, eythian. 05:10 eythian hiya 05:11 mtompset Well, there is likely going to be a big gap before I come back. I hate economic realities. :( 05:11 eythian erk, that sucks 05:12 mtompset As part of ministry, I have to fund raise. My funding dropped below the "you can keep programming" level. 05:12 mtompset So, I'm on the fundraising wagon for the next while. 05:13 eythian ah right 05:14 mtompset And the Koha project I was on is moving from priority project to maintenance -- watch for security updates, version upgrades only -- likely by the time I get enough funds. 05:14 mtompset Just when the signoffs and coding was getting fun. :( 05:15 mtompset Anyone know of projects that allow libraries to operate as independent branches, but have librarians have access to sets of libraries but not be superlibrarians? 05:20 mtompset Well, I should sleep. 05:20 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 05:21 cait tcohen++ 06:52 * magnuse waves 07:32 reiveune hello 07:32 wahanui hey, reiveune 07:36 cait good morning #koha 07:36 fridolin hie all 07:36 cait hi fridolin 07:38 fridolin hie cait. Nice weather ? here in Nimes a full blue sky 8-) 07:38 cait not sure yet, but looking a bit like rain here 07:49 magnuse @wunder boo 07:49 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). 07:53 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:53 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 6.3°C (8:53 AM CET on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising). 07:53 ashimema @wunder Stevenage, UK 07:53 huginn` ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 3.6°C (7:50 AM GMT on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Falling). 07:54 alex_a bonjour 07:54 magnuse ashimema: 0.6 degrees warmer than north of the arctic circle :-) 07:56 ashimema yowsers.. 07:56 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:56 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.3°C (8:55 AM CET on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 07:56 ashimema good morning all 08:21 Joubu hi 09:10 ashimema @wunder Stevenage, UK 09:10 huginn` ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 4.6°C (9:01 AM GMT on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling). 09:10 ashimema hmm.. my updated IRC client doesn't like the degree sign.. sure it used to work.. 09:10 magnuse @wunder boo 09:10 ashimema oh well 09:10 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 3.0°C (10:00 AM CET on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.41 in 996 hPa (Rising). 09:11 ashimema yikes that's cold magnuse.. 09:12 ashimema did realise you were in norway.. always wanted to visit norway 09:13 cait ashimema: you are aware that the 2 of you will meet in person soon? :) 09:13 ashimema s/did/didn't/ 09:13 ashimema yup.. bring on hackfest 09:16 cait hackfest! 09:16 wahanui hackfest is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Hackfest 09:16 * cait is excited 09:19 magnuse hackfest! 09:19 wahanui hackfest is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Hackfest 09:19 magnuse hm, that link might not be that interesting any longer, i guess 09:20 cait forget hackfest 09:20 wahanui cait: I forgot hackfest 09:20 cait hackfest is great fun! 09:20 cait hackfest? 09:20 wahanui it has been said that hackfest is great fun! 09:20 magnuse hackfest is also http://www.biblibre.com/en/blog/koha-hackfest-marseille-2014 09:20 wahanui okay, magnuse. 09:20 magnuse hackfest? 09:20 wahanui hackfest is http://www.biblibre.com/en/blog/koha-hackfest-marseille-2014 09:20 magnuse hackfest? 09:20 wahanui hackfest is http://www.biblibre.com/en/blog/koha-hackfest-marseille-2014 09:20 magnuse hackfest? 09:20 wahanui hackfest is, like, http://www.biblibre.com/en/blog/koha-hackfest-marseille-2014 09:20 magnuse hackfest? 09:20 wahanui i guess hackfest is great fun! 09:20 magnuse yay 09:22 ashimema one day i'll learn how wahanue works ;) 09:22 ashimema and how to spell ;) 09:23 cait one day :) 09:33 cait packages? 09:33 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 09:46 fridolin hackfest is great fun indeed 09:46 fridolin :D 09:46 * dcook looks outside 09:46 dcook When did it get dark? :( 09:47 cait when you forgot to go home? :) 09:50 dcook Working on my Canadian taxes :/ 09:50 cait ew 09:50 dcook I think I've finally figured it all out... 09:56 cait Joubu++ 09:56 cait bug 11629 - i had missed the things you pointed out :) 09:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11629 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add ability to update not for loan status on checkin 10:00 Joubu cait: hi! What do you think about bug 11634? To me it is a bug and the behavior should be changed 10:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Allow renewal of item with unfilled holds if other available items can fill those holds 10:00 Joubu cait: it seems khall_away considere it as an enhancement. 10:01 Joubu cait: I think the syspref check should be removed 10:04 cait hm not sure i understand 10:04 cait i think if we change existing behaviour like that, we need to pref 10:04 cait it's a deep change in renewal behaviour for some libraries 10:05 cait but it could be on by default for new installations maybe? 10:05 Joubu cait: yes but if it is a bug, we don't want a pref to choose "do you want a bug or not" :) 10:06 cait @quote get 123 10:06 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 10:06 huginn` cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 10:06 cait Joubu: I am not sure every library will agree it's a bug 10:07 dcook night 10:08 cait Joubu: libraries are crazy :) i just tend to be careful :) 10:10 Joubu cait: does it make sense to ask to send an email on koha-devel? 10:11 cait you could, but maybe better [Koha] - more a librarian question 10:11 Joubu cait: ok 10:12 ashimema love that cartoon cait 10:14 ashimema ======================================================================================================8*-- 10:15 cait cat? 10:15 wahanui i heard cat was http://www.nyan.cat/ 10:16 ashimema bhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 10:16 ashimema ack.. damn cat again. 10:16 cait it's probably a code 10:16 cait maybe a message for myshkin 10:17 ashimema think he wants more food.. he's being a bloody nuisance this morning 10:17 Joubu khall_away: please, don't hate me. 10:23 * magnuse would be more worried about khall than khall_away ;-) 10:42 Joubu An expression in French is "Don't trust still waters" :) 10:56 cait we have: quiet waters are deep 11:43 fridolin "Don't trust sleeping waters" I'd say 13:19 oleonard Hi #koha 13:56 druthb o/ 14:03 rhcl @wunder 64507 14:03 huginn` rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -7.6°C (8:03 AM CST on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 14:04 rhcl @wunder boo 14:04 huginn` rhcl: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (2:50 PM CET on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). 14:04 rhcl Ha! Ten times colder here than balmy Norway. 14:09 oleonard @wunder 45701 14:09 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Windy Ridge, Athens, Ohio is -13.4°C (9:09 AM EST on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 14:11 oleonard We need a kohadevreactions post for "You just started a 'git-bz attach -e' and someone walks in to talk to you." 15:07 Oak kia ora #koha 15:12 oleonard Hi Oak 15:20 Joubu Does somebody know what is the $CGIorganisations variable in circ/circulation.pl ? 15:21 Joubu it seems related to the memberofinstitution pref 15:21 cait Joubu: sorry, I don't knw 15:21 cait I seem to remember that the original feature is partially broken 15:21 cait so it might be hard to track down how it should work 15:21 Joubu which appears broken since 2011... bug 6712 15:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6712 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Remove memberofinstitution markup from templates until it can be completed 15:22 cait Joubu: I think it's even older 15:22 Joubu cait: so, shouldn't we remove all the obsolete code? 15:23 cait not sure really, i think someone was not in favour removing 15:32 Oak hello oleonard :) sorry was with guests. 15:32 Oak hello cait, Joubu, all. 15:38 magnuse Oak 15:38 Oak magnuse 15:39 Oak \o/ 15:39 cait hi Oak 15:39 Oak \o\ hello cait 15:39 Oak /o/ 15:40 fridolin see you 15:40 magnuse \o/ 15:41 magnuse cait! 15:41 Oak [off] DSpace is working fine. found a bug yesterday as well. https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/DS-1907 15:41 Oak someone else filed the bug report though. 15:41 Oak so cait is at home? 15:42 cait no, kf is still stolen 15:42 Oak oho 15:42 Oak if you registered or linked it to cait you know you can ghost it? 15:43 Oak /nickserv ghost kf and then change your nick 15:43 Oak to kf 15:46 cait kf was to short to register 15:47 cait not sure how to link 15:47 Oak hmm 15:49 Oak /nickserv enslave 15:50 Oak you can LINK, UNLINK, SET MASTER and ENSLAVE. it might work. not sure. 15:50 cait (16:50:34) NickServ: (notice) Slave nickname kf not registered. The nickname you want to link to must 15:51 Oak oh yes. got it. won't work. 15:51 Oak just read that part myself as well. 15:52 Oak so i guess we won't see kf much anymore. 15:52 kf ah 15:52 kf nw she is free 15:52 Oak :) cool. 15:52 kf but sometimes in use... 15:53 Oak ok now i will not bother you. can't bother 'kf' you see. 15:53 Oak kidding 15:54 kf :) 15:54 Oak :) 16:01 magnuse huh, didn't eythian report a bug about optimizing the front page, where he referred to some results from nytprofiler? 16:04 Joubu magnuse: bug 11051? 16:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11051 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Performance of opac-search 16:07 * oleonard grumbles about there being two different jQuery tree plugins 16:07 jcamins oleonard: where's the other one used? 16:07 oleonard member-flags.pl 16:08 magnuse thanks Joubu, that was the one i was thinking of 16:10 Joubu oleonard: bug 11578 upgrades one of them. 16:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11578 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Improvement of the funds list view 16:19 oleonard I wonder if there are reasons to choose one over the other... 16:21 oleonard Under what circumstances does the authorities detail page display more than one node in a tree? 16:21 kf oleonard: you can buld hierarchies 16:22 kf i did for testing something like: world - europe - germany - konstanz 16:22 kf i think i have added a screenshot to the bug, but not sure about the bug number 16:22 oleonard Do you know how I would search for it? 16:23 kf trying to 16:24 oleonard Bug 8523? 16:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8523 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC 16:24 kf yep :) 16:24 kf http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=12097 16:26 oleonard I don't know enough about authorities for that to make sense to me :| 16:27 jcamins oleonard: it'll only ever display one tree, but it can go both up and down the hierarchy to generate the tree. 16:33 reiveune bye 16:41 Oak kf time to go home. 17:04 francharb Hello #koha 17:09 Oak hello francharb 17:09 magnuse hiya francharb 17:10 francharb o/ Oak magnuse 17:14 magnuse ouch - 203 bugs need signoff 17:14 magnuse plenty to do in marseille... 17:16 oleonard Luckily they'll have plenty of people magnuse 17:16 kf Oak: you are right :) 17:17 * magnuse is going to marseille too :-) 17:18 Oak :) 17:18 kf bye all :) 17:18 * ashimema too 17:18 Oak later kf 17:26 magnuse @later tell paul_p: i have taken the liberty of starting a new tab called "workshops 2014" in the hackfest spreadsheet - hope you don't mind! 17:26 huginn` magnuse: The operation succeeded. 18:08 oleonard whee! 18:11 * druthb gets out the duct tape. 18:18 rhcl duct tape, pointy stick and skittles. druthb is just like Kipkay. http://www.youtube.com/user/kipkay 18:20 druthb Kipkay, without the righteous beard. 18:28 francharb Any marc21 expert around here? 18:28 francharb Can Koha use authory for series in the 830 field? 18:29 francharb If yes, how should we manage the $v Volume? 18:29 jcamins francharb: you have to manually link the authority, then add the $v. 18:31 francharb jcamins, by manually link, you mean, manage the authid manually in the $9 subfield? 18:32 jcamins I mean, create the authority record, link it using the auth plugin, then add the $v. 18:36 francharb jcamins, if I do this, I can't have BiblioAddsAuthorities ON or update biblios when I update authorities, or the biblio 830$v will be updated with the authority 130$v, right? 18:36 francharb I feel like I miss something... 18:37 jcamins You have to turn off CatalogingModuleRelink. 18:37 jcamins And turn on LinkerKeepStale. 18:37 jcamins I mostly just consider series authorities in Koha useless and don't bother. 18:39 francharb ahah! you just point out what was actually missing. I do too but sometimes libraries dont share my feeling about series authorities... ;) 18:39 francharb Thanks jcamins ! 18:39 francharb jcamins++ 19:31 * magnuse starts the upgrade from 3.12.10 to 3.14.3 19:44 magnuse oops, seems to be quite a number of "unconsistent %s count" in ar-Arab 19:46 cait oh 19:48 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted ""unconsistent %s count" in ar-Arab" (156 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/122 19:52 cait right, lotsof those 20:03 magnuse upgrade done - packages++ 20:04 magnuse have fun, #koha! 20:46 edveal Barton you might want to check this system pref. AllowHoldsOnPatronsPossessions 20:46 barton Thanks edveal! 20:59 bag hey rangi 20:59 bag do you have a bug # for any of that NCIP work? 21:03 cait @seen rangi 21:03 huginn` cait: rangi was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 16 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <rangi> also http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5920ca6fa02d65e2a2b9076d08444a4cd6a157a9 21:04 bag heya cait 21:04 cait hi bag 21:04 bag it's what 3 weeks until I get to see you? 21:05 rhcl bag: we had our barcode mis-scan problem reappear briefly yesterday. Seems to have come and gone 21:05 bag oh geeze 21:05 bag is mecury in retrograde? is that even the right thing that I am thinking of rhcl 21:06 rhcl yea, you got it I think 21:07 cait bag :) 21:07 cait 3-4 i think 21:22 eythian hi 21:22 bag magnuse: you are going to Marseille! 21:22 bag magnuse++ 21:22 bag that makes me so excited :) 21:33 * cait is so excited too :) 21:42 eythian http://thenzwhisky.com/shop/index.php?id_product=15&controller=product&id_lang=1 <-- trea 21:43 trea ooo 21:43 cait planning next whisky o clock? 21:43 eythian He's been conspicuously absent from the past one or two... 21:43 wizzyrea one! 21:43 trea http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc7tlvt35R1qgxdb2o1_500.gif 21:44 wizzyrea hehehe 21:44 trea it is time for a new bottle, afterall 21:45 wizzyrea “Lots of sweet vanilla and honey, spice and oak. Freshly baked apple and cinnamon Danish. Soft and rounded.†sounds appealing 21:46 trea and that's just the moustache. 21:46 cait wizzyrea: definitely better than other descriptions i have seen :) 21:47 wizzyrea oh trea. 21:47 * wizzyrea tries to not be mushy in #koha 21:47 * wizzyrea fails 21:48 wizzyrea he's so funny. 22:07 trea o.O 22:17 JoeLib001 If I didn't know better, I would say they didn't like my question. XD 22:21 wizzyrea wot 22:23 JoeLib001 Hmm..., it looks like bug# 10794 is still a problem. I am running 3.14 and the billing date on the invoice page is not sorted correctly. 22:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10794 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sorting on billing date column in invoices table doesn't work 22:25 JoeLib001 My newest February invoice should be sorted to the top, but an older December 2013 invoice is sorted to the top instead. 22:26 JoeLib001 02/05/2014 vs 12/26/2013 22:47 dani good afternoon, everyone " papa can you hear me?" 22:47 dani ;) 22:47 dani papa I was wondering if you know of any progress on bug 4222 ? 22:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4222 major, P2, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Nonpublic note not appearing in the staff client 22:49 dcook dani: As far as I know, no one is working on that one. It's a surprisingly difficult one, iirc 22:49 dani hi, David 22:49 dcook hey :) 22:50 dani hm. darn 22:51 dcook Yeah, it's an issue we have on our local tracker as well. I would love to see it resolved, but I can't see it happening any time soon. 22:51 dani well, if there is anything I can do to help things along, let me know 23:00 dcook dani: Alas, I don't know if this one will ever be solved. 23:01 dcook Although now that I think about it...maybe it would be worthwhile if someone opened a new bug and just proposed adding new columns to the items and deleteditems table 23:02 dcook The main blocker, I think, is that the non-public notes have been dealt with differently over the years and between MARC flavours and so on 23:02 dcook So if the columns were in the DB...a sysadmin could make their own decision regarding how to deal with it 23:02 dcook Not ideal but at least somewhat functional... 23:11 dani how hard it is to get thinks added to DB? <--newbie, be gentle 23:12 dcook hehe 23:12 dcook It's a good question 23:12 dcook I'm not really sure anymore. 23:13 dcook The introduction of DBIx::Class has made things more complex, I think. In this case though, I don't think it should be too bad 23:13 dcook I think khall_away is familiar with DBIx::Class too, so he probably would know what to do 23:15 * dani considering opening a new bug 23:16 dcook I don't think it could hurt. Of course, I'm nowhere near as good an authority as say rangi, gmcharlt, or any number of other developers, but personally I find when a bug reaches a certain size, it just stagnates. 23:16 dcook Just reference the old bug and propose a new solution. Feel free to correct me, gmcharlt and others, but I think that's much more manageable.. 23:18 dani I may get with khall before I do that, but I am going to consider doing this unless ... someone stops me . . . . 23:20 dcook Sounds reasonable to me 23:21 dani thanks, dcook 23:21 dcook Hope I helped! 23:22 dcook PS you're welcome :) 23:52 talljoy dcook how are all the mangoes 23:52 talljoy ? 23:54 dcook Delicious :) 23:55 dcook I didn't have one this morning though, talljoy. My alarm didn't go off so in a bit of a rush. 23:55 talljoy i'm so jealous. i'm having to settle for mango sorbet from the store today. 23:55 talljoy not quite like a real mango 23:55 dcook Not quite but still tasty 23:55 dcook hehe 23:55 dcook Switcheroo! 23:55 jcamins talljoy: sorbet? It's a bit cold for that. 23:56 talljoy even in TX it is a bit chilly 23:56 jcamins Thoguh back when I was in college, I bought more ice cream when it was cold than when it wasn't... 23:56 jcamins silly meal plans. 23:56 talljoy heh 23:56 dcook Ice cream in the cold is the best! 23:56 talljoy my oldest got braces today, so i thought he'd appreciate something cold and soft for dessert. 23:56 dcook It doesn't melt on you 23:56 dcook Ah, that's sweet, talljoy 23:57 * dcook does not miss the pain from braces 23:57 talljoy poor kid. just looks uncomfortable. 23:57 dcook Stock up on pain medication me thinks. That's the only way I managed to eat on days when I had them tightened. 23:57 talljoy right. 23:57 * dcook almost never takes pain medication as well...it was that bad 23:57 jcamins The school gave me a use-it-or-lose-it-meal-plan that had way more money on it than I needed, being the weirdo who always ate salad. So I bought lots of ice cream. And lunch for random old people who happened to be eating on-campus. 23:58 dani I used to dream my teeth were falling out when I had my braces tightened. 23:58 talljoy ouch. 23:58 jcamins ("old"... they were my age, I suppose) 23:58 talljoy LOL 23:58 talljoy jcamins indeed. 23:58 dani ha 23:58 talljoy i had to wear this thing called a lip bumper when i had braces. to push the back teeth back. 23:58 talljoy the ortho promised that noone would notice 23:59 talljoy it looked like i had a wad of chewing tobacco in my lower lip. 23:59 bag let it be known! 23:59 talljoy it was a good look for a chick in the 1980s 23:59 talljoy i was trying to be all valley girl 23:59 talljoy and here i was with a fat lower lip. 23:59 bag yes it destracts from the awful clothes right? 23:59 talljoy hey. the clothes rocked!