Time  Nick          Message
00:04 jcamins       @wunder 11375
00:04 huginn`       jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 16.8°C (6:56 PM EST on December 22, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
00:05 jcamins       It's *hotter* how than it was at 5pm? Ugh.
00:07 tcohen        @wunder cordoba, argentina
00:07 huginn`       tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 32.0°C (9:05 PM ART on December 22, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
00:07 dcook         @wunder sydney, australia
00:07 huginn`       dcook: The current temperature in Matraville, Sydney, New South Wales is 29.0°C (11:05 AM EST on December 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
00:08 * dcook       forgot his water bottle at home today...facepalm
00:38 dcook         magnuse++
03:21 dcook         So French diacritics are showing up as � in acquisitions, but appear fine everywhere else...
03:21 dcook         If I backup the db and reload it elsewhere, it's fine in acquisitions and everywhere else
03:22 jcamins       dcook: reload it into a different database on the same computer, see if the problem is still there.
03:22 dcook         If I understand you correctly, that's what I've done :/
03:23 dcook         Actually, I should rephrase...only the diacritics in the title are off
03:23 dcook         The author and notes are OK in acquisitions as well
03:23 jcamins       dcook: then no idea.
03:23 dcook         Hmm, I wonder..
03:23 jcamins       Resave the record, see if it fixes it.
03:23 dcook         Ah, nice one.
03:24 dcook         I was thinking of doing a touch_all_biblio later
03:24 jcamins       Start with one record.
03:24 dcook         C'est une bonne idée ;)
03:24 * dcook       realizes that he probably sounds like a massive wanker every time he speaks/writes French
03:25 dcook         s/realizes/has just realized/
03:26 dcook         Intriguing...
03:26 dcook         No change
03:27 dcook         Time to look at the code, me thinks..
03:35 dcook         I'm thinking maybe these records aren't UTF-8 encoded and Koha compensates for that in most places but not this one...but that doesn't necessarily make sense because other data from those records seems fine
03:37 dcook         Looks fine in the database..
03:45 dcook         Oh hoh...
03:46 dcook         In my browser, I decide to try out Windows 8859-1, and it renders the � into readable characters
03:46 dcook         Mmm records with mixed encoding. That's fun.
03:46 * dcook       is a bit surprised that opening and saving the bib record didn't fix that record..
03:47 jcamins       I'm not. I'm just surprised that it displays correctly anywhere.
03:47 dcook         Mmm, good point.
03:48 dcook         I know we have a bit of character encoding magic sprinkled around the place...
03:51 dcook         MySQL mentions that it dumps everything as utf8 but I'm surprised it managed to transcode everything correctly as well
04:16 ebegin        dcook, the control displaying your �, is it a javascript / jquery
04:17 ebegin        I saw this problem with the patrons category in the patrons search page (the one that shows when clicking the [+] in the patron search page)
04:33 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
04:35 mtompset      @seen davidnind
04:35 huginn`       mtompset: davidnind was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 12 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <davidnind> Bruce_ :-[
04:58 mtompset      Greetings, dcook. Are you just auto-joining?
04:58 dcook         Auto-rejoining. Pretty much :p
04:58 mtompset      Ah, but you're still at the desk. ;)
04:59 mtompset      No holidays yet?
04:59 dcook         Starting in about an hour
05:00 mtompset      Any particular fixes you would like signed off that you have a good test plan for?
05:09 dcook         bug 10811
05:09 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Add a 999$c record matching rule to the MARC21 defaults
05:09 dcook         Well, I'll have to check it..
05:09 dcook         But it's super easy in theory
05:10 dcook         Hmm, probably needs a rebase now
05:14 dcook         Wow, I had more signoffs in 2013 than I thought
05:14 dcook         Still nowhere near as many as I should've done
05:18 mtompset      Not everyone is superman, as long as you have bug fixes submitted and signoffs done, you are doing better than most. Some never do signoffs.
05:19 mtompset      It does need a rebase.
05:19 dcook         Rebasing as we speak ;)
05:19 dcook         True, but I like to compare myself against myself rather than others.
05:19 dcook         It was a rather busy year though.
05:21 mtompset      And actually, I think I have an improved test plan for that. So, I should be able to sign off for that. :)
05:22 dcook         Sweet. The rebased patch is up now.
05:22 mtompset      starting my VM.
05:23 mtompset      updating my master branch. :)
05:25 dcook         You can try bug 10824 too if you'd like although it's a bit more debateable perhaps
05:25 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , OAI-PMH repository/server not handling time in "from" argument
05:25 mtompset      Uh oh...
05:25 mtompset      fails qa tool test.
05:26 dcook         Interesting. How's that?
05:26 mtompset      you need to escape the $c
05:27 dcook         In the SQL?
05:27 mtompset      yep.
05:27 mtompset      "... '999$c' ..."
05:28 mtompset      Line 7861
05:28 dcook         Probably in kohastructure.sql as well
05:29 mtompset      Actually... you don't change the structure of the table.
05:29 dcook         Errr not that one, but the other one
05:29 mtompset      No need for kohastructure.sql as far as I can tell.
05:29 mtompset      Nope.
05:29 mtompset      Because it isn't part of a double quote string.
05:30 mtompset      The single quote causes it to glob like a string.
05:32 dcook         marc21_default_matching_rules.sql
05:32 dcook         Alas, I've run out of time.
05:33 dcook         Thanks anyway, mtompset :)
05:33 dcook         Can you just put a comment on the bug for me to fix that later?
05:33 mtompset      Sure I can do that.
05:44 mtompset      Enjoy your holiday break, dcook. :)
05:44 mtompset      I think I'll leave too.
05:44 mtompset      Have a great holiday season, #koha. :)
05:58 dcook         All right. Happy holidays, #koha. I doubt I'll be around again until Jan 2nd
06:51 hgh           alo
06:51 hgh           hello
06:51 hgh           every body
07:53 alex_a        bonjour
07:55 gaetan_B      hello
08:01 petter        good morning
09:12 * magnuse     waves
10:01 pablito       hi everyone
10:02 pablito       is there an easy way to batch change item types?
10:03 pablito       I want to change some 2000 "books" type to be of "reserve" type
10:11 * Oak         waves
10:12 Oak           guys, on a new install. to make a "New Framework", which framework do I base it on? It's for books basically.
10:12 Oak           the "Default Framework"? or the "Books, Booklets, Workbooks" one?
10:23 magnuse       Oak: i think i would base it on the "Books, Booklets, Workbooks" on
10:23 magnuse       that should exclude fields that are specific to music, for example.
10:24 magnuse       so there should be less fields to remove/hide for you
10:24 magnuse       pablito: there is a tool called "Batch item modification" which should help you do that
10:26 Oak           thank you magnuse!
10:28 pablito       thank you! :-)
10:29 Oak           magnuse: can I hide 007 http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd007.html ?
10:30 magnuse       Oak: i think so
10:30 Oak           just want to hear your answer. if you say yes, then i will make decisions myself for other fields as well.
10:30 Oak           good.
11:18 Oak           what is 100    9 (RLIN)?
11:18 Oak           magnuse
12:22 NateC         morning #koha
12:28 cait          hi all :)
13:05 francharb     morning #koiha
13:11 cait          khall: around?
13:11 cait          I have a question about bug 6254
13:11 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6254 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , can't set patron privacy by default
13:11 cait          and hi francharb :)
13:12 francharb     hi cait
13:14 cait          @later tell khall - can you take a look at my commen ton bug 6254?
13:14 huginn        cait: The operation succeeded.
13:54 tcohen        morning #koha
13:55 cait          bye all :) have to go to the playground with the little nephew
14:10 talljoy       morning #koha
14:11 cait          and happy holidays to everyone :)
14:13 * Oak         waves
14:13 Oak           magnuse
14:13 talljoy       i know it's early (at least for me) but is someone in that has knowledge of the updatetotalissues cronjob?
15:03 tcohen        fridolin?
15:03 tcohen        is he around?
15:07 jenkins_koha  Starting build #148 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #144 12 days ago)
15:09 tcohen        gmcharlt: i want 10905 on the 3.12.x branch
15:10 gmcharlt      tcohen: I'll take a look at it shortly
15:10 tcohen        thanks
15:18 * matts       thanks rangi for the sign-off and test plan for BZ 11412 :)
15:22 Oak           rangi++
15:26 rambutan      hi Oak
15:29 Oak           hello rambutan
15:30 Oak           :)
15:34 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.12.x build #148: STILL UNSTABLE in 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/148/
15:34 jenkins_koha  Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10905: Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on
15:34 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on
15:35 jenkins_koha  Starting build #273 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 12 days ago)
15:37 rambutan      "held taut by the tension"   I can't wait for the book to come out. Murder mystery.
15:39 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1566 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 12 days ago)
15:40 talljoy       is jcamins in today?
15:40 talljoy       i think it's going to be a quiet day today.....
15:40 talljoy       and i'm full of questions.
15:41 tcohen        hi talljoy
15:41 talljoy       hiya!
15:41 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10797: Move styling of simple search from element to CSS file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f74d5909f790d08bdbd0ca11f1bc280bf197b9b>
15:41 talljoy       how's the southern hemisphere?
15:41 tcohen        warm, too warm
15:42 tcohen        38°C
15:42 talljoy       it's cold here.  i wish it was warm
15:42 talljoy       tcohen have you met the new bywater employee?
15:43 talljoy       rocio you in here?
15:43 tcohen        who?
15:43 rocio         yes!
15:43 tcohen        hi rocio :-D
15:43 rocio         hello!
15:43 talljoy       rocio meet Tomas, Tomas meet Rocio
15:43 talljoy       tcohen rocio is from Argentina!
15:43 rocio         nice to meet you, Tomas
15:43 tcohen        oh! sounds great :-D
15:43 rocio         haha yes!
15:43 tcohen        where are you from?
15:43 rocio         buenos aires
15:44 tcohen        i'm from cordoba
15:44 talljoy       which is where the next Kohacon will be held!
15:44 rocio         ah, you are from cordoba! that's where the next conference is right?
15:44 rocio         yeah!
15:44 tcohen        exactly :-D
15:44 rocio         so cool!
15:45 tcohen        are you a librarian?
15:45 rocio         you will have to take everyone out for some argentine food
15:45 talljoy       yum yum.
15:45 rocio         I actually just graduated
15:45 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
15:45 rocio         talljoy we can call ourselves librarians now right?!
15:45 tcohen        yes, we are adjusting the details on the food front
15:45 talljoy       yes
15:46 mtompset      Greetings, rocio tcohen talljoy.
15:46 rocio         lol then yes!
15:46 talljoy       i always refer to myself as the non reading librarian.
15:46 rocio         greetings mtompset!
15:46 rocio         I am that too....
15:46 rocio         I read.... maybe a book or two a year
15:47 talljoy       that's about what I average too.
15:47 rocio         I don't say that out loud when I'm around other librarians lol
15:47 talljoy       hahaha me either
15:49 talljoy       i've lost my mom's empanada recipe, sadly.  but did find her noquis recipe!
15:50 rocio         oh man I love noquis so much!!!!!!!
15:50 talljoy       rocio if you have a good empanada recipe, I'll take it!
15:50 rocio         I will pass it along!
15:50 talljoy       i remember from when you came for training!
15:50 rocio         and my parents found the empanada dough here too! they buy a whole bunch and keep them in the freezer now
15:50 rocio         ah, yes
15:50 rocio         the only problem is, she smothered them in meat sauce
15:52 talljoy       heh
15:53 talljoy       anyone know what the marc tag is for biblioitems.totalissues ?  i'm assuming it is the 942 tag, but what subfield?
15:55 tcohen        talljoy: i have several recipes
15:56 * talljoy     would love one
15:56 ebegin        talljoy, 952$l
15:57 talljoy       is that an l as in lion or 1 as in the number?
15:57 tcohen        thanks gmcharlt
15:58 ebegin        l as in lion. This is a one (1), this is the letter l
15:59 gmcharlt      ebegin: l as l10n?
15:59 gmcharlt      ;)
15:59 talljoy       ebegin i'm actually looking for the biblioitems.totalissues  not items.issues
15:59 ebegin        :)
15:59 talljoy       this is for the update_totalissues.pl cronjob
16:00 talljoy       the script is failing because it can't find the totalissues tag (because I don't have one)
16:00 francharb     talljoy, did you map it?
16:00 talljoy       and before i just pick a random one, i thought I'd check to see if there was a 'standard' one
16:00 talljoy       francharb haven't yet
16:00 talljoy       i was just going to go with 942 and a subfield not currently used in the framework.
16:01 francharb     dont think there is a standard field for local items...
16:01 francharb     talljoy, I would do the same
16:01 ebegin        talljoy, which script is failing ?
16:01 ebegin        bulkmarcimport ?
16:01 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10735: prevent koha-dump from aborting if backupdir undefined <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=266f2a3a9f3d67fed0e0b35d267419a901345b92> / Bug 10905: fix links to author tracings when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is on <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc7071f3705bc43878975efadd9c0c0067c6ad37>
16:02 talljoy       ebgin the update_totalissues.pl cronjob is failing
16:03 talljoy       basically on line 3599-3607 in Biblio.pm
16:03 talljoy       clearly my framework is lacking.
16:03 ebegin        talljoy, latest version ?
16:06 ebegin        The default mapping seems to be 942$0 (as zero)
16:07 ebegin        in the koha 2 marc links
16:07 ebegin        <yourURL>:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/koha2marclinks.pl
16:08 talljoy       sorry was on phone.
16:08 talljoy       0?  i can go with that.  sounds good.
16:08 talljoy       and yes, i'm on 3.14 with this particular site.
16:08 talljoy       bleeding edge (nearly)
16:11 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11414: warn user about dangerous MARC modification rules <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7137ee91e0a9c5278d15c116612c62d2c2bd1926> / Bug 9948: fix creation/updating of items when partially receiving an order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95e2754af6a2dbd5f042a1c3504488f5de8c8d23>
16:21 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11384: DBRev 3.15.00.008 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=930f4f393e26dd80a6ae35f2f6e692671fadb04c> / Bug 11384: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a52759b0f1f48661d357a0738cb68f6cb17edae> / Bug 11384: rename the collections_tracking.ctId column <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f015d0502
16:22 talljoy       ebegin that did it for me.  cron is now working!
16:22 talljoy       ebegin++
16:22 jcamins       talljoy: you already figured it out, but for the logs, the total issues count must be stored in the subfield configured with Zebra (942$0).
16:23 talljoy       thanks jcamins.
16:23 talljoy       yes, we got around to it eventually!
16:25 talljoy       jcamins what do you recommend for the commit value?  This is a large site (>500K items)
16:26 jcamins       I usually use ~500. But it depends on the server.
16:27 jenkins_koha  Project master_maria build #273: STILL UNSTABLE in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/273/
16:27 jenkins_koha  Katrin Fischer: Bug 10797: Move styling of simple search from element to CSS file
16:27 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10797 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Move styling from element to CSS file for search input field in OPAC
16:28 jcamins       If you don't have so much memory, the default may be better.
16:30 talljoy       what is the default?
16:31 jcamins       100
16:31 thanhtrung    Mọi người có ai hiểu triển khai Koha trên cloud là như thế nào hok
16:31 thanhtrung    :D
16:31 talljoy       okay, i'm going to go with 500 and see how that does.
16:31 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11391: DBRev 3.15.00.009 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be55359877a0e4d9e772670ce841316a82bef765> / Bug 11391: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d540016b19bc35e56733e3d2bb36a04bc038e420> / Bug 11391: drop default value on suggestions.suggesteddate column <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h
16:31 talljoy       thanks jcamins
16:32 jcamins       thanhtrung: I'm not sure we have anyone who speaks Vietnamese around at the moment.
16:32 thanhtrung    okay
16:33 gaetan_B      is it a known bug that when cloning a field, the default values in the subfields are not copied in the new field ?
16:33 gaetan_B      i didn't find anything about this in bugzilla
16:33 jenkins_koha  Starting build #274 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 12 days ago)
16:35 thanhtrung    Help me?deployment  Koha on Cloud (pass)
16:36 jcamins       thanhtrung: do you have a specific question?
16:36 ebegin        thanhtrung, i think we will need more information
16:39 rambutan      thanhtrung: here's a very brief and slightly dated link that might help?  http://bywatersolutions.com/2010/10/28/kohacon10-koha-in-the-cloud/
16:41 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6331: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4f846a866d24779ff18634bd1da2e0c00086fe4> / Bug 6331: DBRev 3.15.00.010 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d46dc95030dfe15c12f6f888938cea786c7e428> / Bug 6331: (follow-up) update timestamp when deleting items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cada676e
16:42 thanhtrung    sofware management library Koha on Cloud ??
16:47 gaetan_B      thanhtrung: if you are looking for a company that can provide paid hosting service for Koha (that is a fully functionnal koha hosted somewhere else for which you would pay an annual fee) you will find several here. I'm one of them ;)
16:47 gaetan_B      if you want to host your own koha i suggest looking at the instructions in the wiki
16:48 jcamins       thanhtrung: you'll probably need to ask specific questions to get the help you need. "The Cloud" is just another way of saying "virtual servers," and you can definitely run Koha on virtual servers.
16:50 ebegin        thanhtrung, yes, Koha on cloud.
16:50 thanhtrung    yes
16:52 ebegin        @wunder montreal quebec
16:52 huginn        ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -7.0°C (11:00 AM EST on December 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
16:52 jcamins       @wunder 11375
16:52 huginn        jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 12.8°C (11:43 AM EST on December 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
16:52 jcamins       ^^ for contrast
16:53 ebegin        -7 is not too bad actually :-)
16:53 jcamins       ebegin: I'd rather -7 than +13.
16:53 jcamins       (in December)
16:54 thanhtrung    I want to deploy software Koha library management on the cloud (pass ) Who can help me, please
16:54 jcamins       packages?
16:54 jcamins       Oh, no wahanui.
16:55 jcamins       thanhtrung: this is the best set of installation instructions: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
16:55 ebegin        jcamins, i wanted to ask him some questions too :)
16:55 jcamins       At least, that's my experience.
16:55 ebegin        Nice discussion ;)
16:56 jcamins       @later tell eythian Could you please give wahanui a kick? He's MIA, and we miss him terribly.
16:56 huginn        jcamins: The operation succeeded.
16:56 jcamins       ebegin: I should've said "make sure to hold down control or shift while clicking the link." Oh well.
16:57 ebegin        jcamins, yes, clicking
16:57 ebegin        ;)
16:57 francharb     Merry christmas
16:57 francharb     :)
16:57 ebegin        Yes, merry
16:57 ebegin        Merry on the cloud
16:58 * ebegin      stop niaising
16:58 Rolls         I want to deploy software Koha library management on the cloud (pass ) Who can help me, please
16:58 francharb     There's Something About Merry
16:59 ebegin        Rolls, what do you mean by (pass) ?
17:00 francharb     looks like skynet has just infiltrated koha irc...
17:01 gaetan_B      and it's trying to run Koha... doomed! we are all doomed!
17:02 jcamins       gaetan_B: no we're not. If Skynet were to use MARC, it would get so confused in the twisty maze of passages, all alike, that it would never get around to dealing with humans.
17:03 francharb     AHAHAHA
17:03 gaetan_B      indeed jcamins, librarians have been saving humanity from the singularity one marc subfield at a time
17:03 gaetan_B      francharb made a nice discovery about marc21 today by the way...
17:04 jcamins       gaetan_B: if you add up all the valid tag numbers the result is divisible by 777?
17:05 francharb     jcamins, I would have said 42
17:05 francharb     ;)
17:06 jcamins       francharb: MARC is more sinister than that.
17:06 francharb     :)
17:07 gaetan_B      well jcamins, i don't want to make it seem like i'm showing off, but in unimarc, we have zone 005
17:08 gaetan_B      it contains the date and time of creation of the record
17:08 gaetan_B      and its precision is the tenth of a second
17:08 ebegin        gaetan_B, but no centuries (i guess)
17:09 gaetan_B      the format is AAAMMJJHMMSS.D so the year is on 4 digits, and at the end you have tenth of seconds
17:10 gaetan_B      just in case
17:10 gaetan_B      it does not manage cases of records created after year 9999, which is a shame though
17:13 gmcharlt      gaetan_B: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd005.html
17:13 gmcharlt      gaetan_B: and yes, dealing with Y10K problems with our MARC records then will be bad
17:13 gmcharlt      especially if we're actually dealing with MARC records then ;)
17:14 gmcharlt      @quote random
17:14 huginn        gmcharlt: Quote #125: "<oleonard> gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom." (added by gmcharlt at 01:14 PM, April 06, 2011)
17:15 gaetan_B      damn once again the French are bragging about something that is not their own...
17:16 gmcharlt      gaetan_B: don't worry about it -- it took /years/ before MARC21 did things like use record numbers in bibs to refer to authority records
17:16 gmcharlt      as opposed to relying on complicated normalized string matches
17:16 francharb     ahah
17:17 francharb     I'm wandering what librarians will do in year 9998...
17:17 francharb     Create another field?
17:17 francharb     ;)
17:17 gmcharlt      heh
17:18 francharb     [sarcasm mode OFF]
17:18 francharb     ;)
17:18 francharb     merry christmas
17:18 francharb     :)
17:20 ebegin        yes, chrismas
17:21 francharb     For the record, I'm not actually against marc21 or think it should die. I just fell, it's sometimes too much information,,,
17:21 francharb     s/fell,/feel
17:22 francharb     Librarians, our mojo should be : work for your patrons, make it simple!
17:22 rambutan      dublin core?
17:23 ebegin        yes, dublin core
17:23 * ebegin      set bot mode off
17:23 gaetan_B      time to stop looking at a computer screen, bye!
17:24 * jcamins     is against MARC21 and thinks it should die.
17:24 francharb     ahah
17:24 francharb     :)
17:25 jenkins_koha  Project master_maria build #274: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/274/
17:25 jenkins_koha  * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10905: fix links to author tracings when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is on
17:25 jenkins_koha  * Robin Sheat: Bug 10735: prevent koha-dump from aborting if backupdir undefined
17:25 jenkins_koha  * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 9948: fix creation/updating of items when partially receiving an order
17:25 jenkins_koha  * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11414: warn user about dangerous MARC modification rules
17:25 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11155: remove old PostgreSQL schema and MARC framework scripts
17:25 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on
17:25 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: rename the collections_tracking.ctId column
17:25 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes
17:25 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: DBRev 3.15.00.008
17:25 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: drop default value on suggestions.suggesteddate column
17:25 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes
17:25 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: DBRev 3.15.00.009
17:25 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10735 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , koha-dump not working
17:25 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9948 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , acq data going on first item even if not received
17:25 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11414 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Marc modification template limitations should alert the user
17:25 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11155 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , PostgreSQL schema contains syntax errors
17:25 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11384 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha should not use "ctid" as a column name
17:25 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11391 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , suggestions.suggesteddate has a problematic default value
17:32 jenkins_koha  Starting build #275 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 12 days ago)
17:37 saravanakumar Hello everyone
17:38 saravanakumar i have installed koha-3.14.00
17:38 saravanakumar when i tried to access the web page its showing the maintenance page
17:39 saravanakumar and got the error "File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/utilities" in logs
17:39 saravanakumar help me pls to fix this
17:41 jcamins       saravanakumar: I'm not sure what the second error is from, but you're seeing the maintenance page because you're hitting the OPAC rather than the staff client.
17:42 talljoy       if you don't have data or a database you'll see that maintenance page as well saravanakumar
17:44 jcamins       That is, you'll see the maintenance page when hitting the OPAC. You'll never see the maintenance page while connecting to the staff client.
17:44 talljoy       correct.
17:44 saravanakumar thanks talljoy & jcamins
17:45 saravanakumar its a fresh installation how do i have a data in db
17:45 saravanakumar i have checked that in db it doesn't have any tables
17:45 saravanakumar pls give me the steps to proceed further
17:46 mtompset      @wunder l7e 5y5
17:46 huginn        mtompset: The current temperature in Vaughan - Hwy 7 & Jane Street, Vaughan, Ontario is -1.9°C (12:34 PM EST on December 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
17:47 jcamins       saravanakumar: you need to set up DNS so that you can access name-based virtual hosts for the staff client and OPAC separately, or change your configuration so that you have them on different ports.
17:48 * mtompset    was justing going to ask about named-based vs. ip address access. :)
17:48 jcamins       There's no Koha-specific configuration, so you can just do it the way you usually would with an Apache site.
17:48 saravanakumar Okay let me try that Jcamins
18:01 cait          hi #koha
18:02 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1566: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1566/
18:03 jenkins_koha  Katrin Fischer: Bug 10797: Move styling of simple search from element to CSS file
18:03 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10797 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Move styling from element to CSS file for search input field in OPAC
18:07 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1567 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 12 days ago)
18:10 saravanakumar thank you very much @jcamins its working fine....
18:12 jcamins       saravanakumar: excellent!
18:18 cait          hmm
18:18 cait          @later tell ashimema - bit confused about bug 8773 - looks like chris signed off, why is it not passed qa? :)
18:18 huginn        cait: The operation succeeded.
18:22 jenkins_koha  Project master_maria build #275: STILL UNSTABLE in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/275/
18:22 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6331: remove obsolete column deleteditems.marc
18:22 jenkins_koha  * Colin Campbell: Bug 6331: (follow-up) do not populate deleteditems.marc
18:22 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6331: (follow-up) update timestamp when deleting items
18:22 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 6331: DBRev 3.15.00.010
18:22 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 6331: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes
18:22 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6331 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Obsolete marc column in deleteditems
18:23 gmcharlt      bug 8773
18:23 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
18:24 cait          gmcharlt: I wondered because i thought it was in the signed off queue before when i asked ashimema to take a look :)
18:26 gmcharlt      looks like he wants to test one last thing
18:28 cait          aah missed that
19:27 pablito       hi
19:28 pablito       i wonder if it is safe to do an SQL UPDATE while zebra is reindex?
19:30 ebegin        pablito, i don't see any problem, but depending of your SQL command, you may have to reindex it afterward
19:31 pablito       I am trying to UPDATE the item type of a couple thousand books
19:31 pablito       would this require reindexing afterward?
19:31 ebegin        you'll definitively have to reindex
19:32 pablito       ok
19:32 jcamins       pablito: don't do an SQL UPDATE statement to make bibliographic changes.
19:32 pablito       originally, I was trying to use the Batch Modification feature but it gave an error because there were more than 1000 records
19:33 jcamins       It will be painful and cause you to tear all your hair out.
19:33 ebegin        jcamins, has a point
19:33 pablito       how so?
19:33 jcamins       And possibly your ears, when you run out of hair to tear out.
19:33 pablito       hahaha
19:34 jcamins       pablito: I prefer to write a Perl script that will make the changes using Koha's routines.
19:34 pablito       do you have a sample I can see?
19:36 ebegin        pablito, take a look at misc/migration_tools/fix_onloan.pl
19:37 ebegin        it does update the onloan's item information. You want to change the itemtype
19:38 ebegin        s/itemtype/itype (always mixing them...)
19:39 pablito       ok
19:39 cait          jcamins: but items should be safe i thnk?
19:39 cait          given that one reindexes
19:40 pablito       I don't seem to have hmm
19:40 pablito       migration_tools folder
19:41 jcamins       cait: in principle, but you wouldn't catch me considering an update in SQL.
19:42 ebegin        pablito, you have it somewhere for sure :) look in koha installation directory.
19:42 ebegin        pablito, how did you install Koha ?
19:43 pablito       i have the latest debian, so i did apt-get koha-common
19:43 jcamins       cait: also, if someone did it and ran into trouble, the "help" one could hope to get from me would be limited to "wow, that was a dumb idea. I hope you had a backup." Since that sort of "help" is anything but helpful, I figured I'd give a warning. ;)
19:43 ebegin        pablito, try /usr/share/koha/sites/koha/misc/migration_tools
19:45 pablito       eh I don't have that
19:45 rangi         no sites
19:45 rangi         /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/
19:47 pablito       ranghi: yes, that's it!  thanks!
19:47 pablito       *rangi
19:47 ebegin        rangi++
19:48 pablito       so how do I run the fix_onloan.pl script?
19:49 pablito       ...to allow me to change 2000 items of "book type" to "reserve type"
19:49 pablito       ?
19:49 ebegin        /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/fix_onloan.pl  ? but i doubt that you want to run this script
19:49 ebegin        fix_onloan.pl is an example to base your own script on
19:50 ebegin        pablito, do you have your item id or barcode in a file ?
19:50 pablito       yes
19:52 ebegin        If you are not comfortable to modify a script, the simplest thing would be to split that file in multiple file. btw, I wasn't aware of this 1000 limitation
19:52 pablito       it's actually a bug
19:53 pablito       but I did as you suggested (splitting file) a couple hours ago and it worked, I just want to see if the SQL UPDATE would be a better solution
19:56 pablito       now, it seems the advice is to avoid doing a sql update for biblographic changes
19:57 pablito       but would changing an item type be considered a bibliographic change?  In this case, I would only be updating the items table
19:58 rangi         touching the db
19:58 rangi         is always a much worse idea than using the apis
19:59 rangi         always
19:59 jcamins       pablito: I would consider anything touching biblio, biblioitems, or items a bibliographic change.
19:59 rangi         you do have the restful api under svc too
20:00 pablito       it's good to know
20:00 rangi         as an option for modifying biblio/items .. but a perl script that uses ModItem from C4::Items is also a good way
20:03 pablito       can you guys suggest a website for a beginner tutorial on using the api?
20:08 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1567: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1567/
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10905: fix links to author tracings when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is on
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Robin Sheat: Bug 10735: prevent koha-dump from aborting if backupdir undefined
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 9948: fix creation/updating of items when partially receiving an order
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11414: warn user about dangerous MARC modification rules
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11155: remove old PostgreSQL schema and MARC framework scripts
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: rename the collections_tracking.ctId column
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: DBRev 3.15.00.008
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: drop default value on suggestions.suggesteddate column
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes
20:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on
20:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10735 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , koha-dump not working
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: DBRev 3.15.00.009
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6331: remove obsolete column deleteditems.marc
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Colin Campbell: Bug 6331: (follow-up) do not populate deleteditems.marc
20:08 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6331: (follow-up) update timestamp when deleting items
20:09 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 6331: DBRev 3.15.00.010
20:09 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 6331: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes
20:09 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9948 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , acq data going on first item even if not received
20:09 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11414 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Marc modification template limitations should alert the user
20:09 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11155 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , PostgreSQL schema contains syntax errors
20:09 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11384 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha should not use "ctid" as a column name
20:09 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11391 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , suggestions.suggesteddate has a problematic default value
20:09 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6331 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Obsolete marc column in deleteditems
20:12 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1568 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 12 days ago)
20:27 rangi         bug 9940 seems to work for me .. anyone have any reasons why it shouldnt be signed off?
20:28 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9940 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Add a new index for original language of document
20:28 jcamins       rangi: Won't somebody think of the children?!?
20:28 rangi         heh
20:28 jcamins       Hmmm. Not a relevant argument here. Nothing from me.
20:29 rangi         the only thing is it misses normarc .. but I dont think that is a blocker
20:40 mtompset      children?
20:55 * rangi       goes to wash his hands after that
20:56 jcamins       UNIMARC?
20:56 rangi         bug 11066
20:56 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11066 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joy, Signed Off , Export Citations not RDA compatible
20:56 jcamins       Oh, ouch.
20:56 rangi         ive got rda cooties on me
21:58 ebegin        Was the decision taken to go for bootstrap 3 in the next release?
21:59 ebegin        Just want to know because I'm planning to go with 3.14 for some clients and this will require to adjust their OPAC. I wish I won't have to do this every releases :-)
22:00 rangi         prog is still there in 3.14
22:00 rangi         you only have to adjust if you want to use the bootstrap theme
22:00 ebegin        I know, but I want to go with bootstrap :)
22:01 rangi         then it kinda doesnt matter what happens for 3.16 eh
22:01 ebegin        bootstrap 3 is not compatible with 2.3.x.
22:01 gmcharlt      ebegin: to do that, just keep the customizations minimal, I'd say -- e.g., color and logo, but avoid structural tweaks
22:03 ebegin        gmcharlt, here a (work in progress) using bootstrap. Modification were done using the syspref and css.
22:03 ebegin        http://icm.chateauguay.inlibro.net/
22:04 ebegin        I didn't change the .tt structure but to add classes in order to make it more CSS-izable
22:05 ebegin        (which will be part of an upcoming commit)
22:05 jcamins       ebegin: if you made any changes to the .tt files, it's going to be a nightmare to upgrade.
22:05 jcamins       Unless you submit it to the community and the changes make it into master, of course.
22:05 ebegin        jcamins, I didn't. I went through this nightmare already. Lesson learnt.... the hard way :)
22:05 jcamins       :)
22:09 francharb     bye
22:14 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1568: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1568/
22:18 ebegin        good night everyone !
22:18 rangi         cya ebegin
22:19 rangi         @wunder nzwn
22:19 huginn        rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on December 24, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
22:19 cait          hi rangi
22:28 rangi         http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/commits_by_year.png
22:28 rangi         spot where liblime lost the plot
22:28 cait          i was going to ask about 9/10
22:31 cait          ...
22:31 cait          ok, i better go :)