Time Nick Message
23:58 mtompset visibility should not necessarily depend on CSS alone, but should be thought about in terms of information sent to the template file.
23:55 mtompset when you say doesn't show in OPAC are you talking about detail, marc, or isbd views?
23:42 wizzyrea suppose you can add anything you want as long as it's got a span round it that would let it be made invisible.
23:41 wizzyrea 245c, it doesn't currently show in the OPAC, but it should, right?
23:33 wizzyrea I'm going to sign off.
23:33 wizzyrea cait re: 11277 - I can't reproduce owen's issue either
23:15 papa hey, hi there!
23:15 mtompset Greetings, kenan24 ebegin papa. :)
22:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7567 enhancement, P3, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , News by Library: refactor, enhance, and fix
22:49 mtompset My over-reaction is in response to "How to print checked out items and news from the quick slip", since I am working on Bug 7567 which reworks the whole News mess pretty thoroughly.
22:45 mtompset nooo... don't read the email. don't think about that email. must control scope. must control scope!
22:33 eythian it probably looked OK in HTML
22:30 cait yeah
22:30 cait oh hm
22:29 rangi about circ rules
22:29 rangi main one
22:29 cait hm which list?
22:29 rangi hmm that email from cab needs some linefeeds
22:15 cait hm
21:59 wizzyrea no she didn't but she talked about it for a good 2 hours trying to figure out her issue.
21:59 cait wizzyrea: i don't think she logged a bug about it
21:59 cait but that's with and without the patch
21:58 wizzyrea but a shift-refresh sorted it.
21:58 wizzyrea does anyone remember peggy's issue with typing in any text box put it in the search box? I just had that
21:58 cait hm ok, a colon in a facet name is a problem... ew.
21:58 cait it seems to work nicely
21:56 cait testing the patch now, i can't reproduce owen's problem i think so far
21:53 wizzyrea hm I confirm that.
21:52 cait it brings you back to advanced search
21:52 cait hm if you click on the more links on facets
21:51 wahanui i am a little bit creepy.
21:51 cait oh wahanui.
21:51 cait bootstrap opac?
21:51 wahanui i heard opac was for patrons
21:51 cait opac?
21:51 cait responsive opac?
21:51 wahanui i heard responsive was looking real nice
21:51 cait responsive?
21:51 cait that's not nice
21:51 cait hm ok
21:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11277 minor, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Failed QA , Bootstrap theme: error in link for showing all facets
21:50 * cait tries to confirm bug 11277
21:48 * cait ponders
21:48 cait hm weird error on my german bootstrap opac
21:47 rangi we did one too
21:47 rangi actually 65
21:47 cait yeah good year
21:47 rangi 64 smart libraries are going from liblime to actual koha tho
21:47 wizzyrea I think I will hold off on the koha-community.org update until I have a few hours to actually make sure nothing breaks.
21:46 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/libraries.pl?ILS=WorldShare%20Management%20Services&ImmediatelyPrevILS=Koha%20--%20LibLime&HQ=on&InstallDate=2013
21:46 rangi another waldo one
21:46 rangi sara lawrence is going to worldshare
21:46 cait seems the week of good news? ;)
21:45 wizzyrea oh man already? wordpress 3.8 zowie.
21:45 rambutan library netsplit maybe?
21:45 rangi and then at http://www.waldolib.org/members.asp
21:45 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/libraries.pl?ILS=Sierra&ImmediatelyPrevILS=Koha%20--%20LibLime&HQ=on&InstallDate=2013
21:44 rangi look here too
21:44 cait hm seems only 1 outof 4?
21:43 cait lol
21:43 rangi they do like to make bad choices
21:43 rangi to III sierra
21:43 rangi http://www.waldolib.org/members.asp
21:43 rangi http://nyack.waldo.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
21:42 rangi yep
21:42 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:42 rambutan interesting
21:42 cait seriously??
21:42 cait what?
21:42 rangi the waldo libraries are leaving
21:42 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=18702
21:42 wizzyrea well it works in europe, nz soon ;)
21:41 oleonard Uh... Yeah I don't think we actually get to do that :P
21:09 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add description to PatronsPerPage
21:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #73: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/73/
21:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #73 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add description to PatronsPerPage
21:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add more to patronimages preference
21:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #411: SUCCESS in 12 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/411/
21:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #411 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:04 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add description to PatronsPerPage
21:04 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add more to patronimages preference
21:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #35: SUCCESS in 12 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.12.x/35/
21:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #35 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:51 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add patron image section
20:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #410: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/410/
20:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #410 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:49 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add patron image section
20:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #34: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.12.x/34/
20:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #34 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:18 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaKeI-97me0
20:06 mtompset Oh blarg again.
20:06 cait and only if it's in the tt file of course
20:05 cait it should but you can test it
20:05 mtompset cait, does the HTML <a href=... title="TEXT">TEXT</a> translate the title tooltip text?
20:03 mtompset Anyone want a quick and easy signoff? :)
20:03 cait we will see, curious for the feedback
20:03 cait hmm?
20:03 oleonard tests++
20:03 oleonard cait++
19:10 rangi i hope people dont think that means they are actually the same :)
19:09 rangi in terms of the function they perform yep
19:07 oleonard "The Trust’s Koha LMS software and the opposed goods are the same except for the fact that the Trust’s Koha LMS software is free and open source." Nice.
19:02 cait grrrr tests
19:02 tcohen_ rangi++
19:02 rangi morning
19:01 cait morning rangi
18:58 rangi http://www.nzlii.org/nz/cases/NZIPOTM/2013/47.html
18:37 cait maybe it's the hidden value?
18:32 nengard_lunch when i receive serials i don't see a field that i do see when i edit the items in cataloging
18:31 francharb :)
18:30 nengard_lunch something is funny then on the site i'm on
18:30 cait sorry :)
18:30 cait ah
18:28 francharb :)
18:27 wahanui You should blog about it.
18:27 francharb and it works
18:27 francharb nengard_lunch, I just tested again to be sure
18:27 nengard_lunch thanks francharb
18:18 francharb linked to the biblio
18:18 francharb i think it use the frameork
18:18 francharb nengard_lunch,
18:18 francharb cait,
18:13 cait default
17:54 nengard can anyone tell me what framework the serial receive page uses for items? serials-edit.pl
17:36 gisjason and I always fall prey to the bots. it is one of my weaknesses. like capitalization in IRC
17:34 gisjason thanks for all your help everyone. this is an amazing community!
17:34 gisjason this is what I was missing: "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" because I didn't notice that apt-get upgrade was skipping koha-common.
17:25 jcamins gisjason: it looks like that went into 3.14, so you can follow the instructions wahanui shared earlier.
17:25 * gisjason has weak google-fu today
17:25 gisjason looking for upgrade procedure on wiki....
17:22 wahanui nom nom nom...
17:22 druthb hungry?
17:22 gisjason i like cookies. this patch oleonard: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=21762&action=diff
17:21 oleonard Oh sorry gisjason I didn't read back.
17:21 druthb That's the second person that's fallen prey to wahanui today!
17:21 oleonard gisjason: What authorities patch?
17:20 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
17:20 oleonard cookies?
17:20 oleonard gisjason: wahanui is a bot who answers some questions
17:19 gisjason that looks correct wahanui
17:18 gisjason if that authorities patch is included in the latest version then I will just go update
17:18 wahanui packages is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
17:18 oleonard packages?
17:17 oleonard It has been gisjason
17:17 gisjason when is 3.14 scheduled to be released?
17:16 gisjason but it was def. packages and not compiled
17:15 gisjason I cannot seem to find the install instructions i used.
17:15 gisjason currently running 3.12.06.000
17:14 gaetan_B bye!
17:14 cait it's also likely depending on your current version that the patch won't apply cleanly
17:14 cait you might want to wait a bit longer, but it's included in 3.14
17:13 cait why don't you update to a current Koha version?
17:13 cait hm you want z39.50 for authorities?
17:13 gisjason looking for the link now
17:12 wahanui hmmm... which is quite horrible
17:12 cait which?
17:12 gisjason Installation procedure on wiki
17:12 cait how did you install koha?
17:11 cait hm
17:11 gisjason Thoughts? TIA
17:11 gisjason This thread states that if we are not under version control to do it by hand: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/How-to-apply-a-patch-td3296080.html but the patch is rather cumbersome: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=21762&action=diff
17:09 gisjason Or, is it possible to place our currently installed koha into git? The installation instructions I have found say to install git first
17:08 gisjason How do I apply a patch to koha (without manually editing each file) when we do not have our koha installation in git?
16:36 reiveune bye
16:27 pablito don't be, I enjoy speaking/writing spanish whenever I can
16:25 PabloAB ahhh, sorry
16:23 pablito but it's good to know there's a spanish speaker group
16:22 pablito :-D
16:22 pablito pablito is the name an hermano messicano gave me
16:22 pablito i'm not a native speaker, I've learned for a few years
16:22 PabloAB groups.yahoo.com/groups/koha-es
16:21 PabloAB Looks like you are Spanish speaker, but I never saw you on Koha-es, please feel free to join us
16:20 pablito :-)
16:20 pablito hola, buena fiesta de la Guadalupe!
16:20 PabloAB Hi Pablito (hola tocayo)
16:18 rambutan :)
16:17 oleonard Dangerous... There's not an unlimited supply of high-priced imaginary confections out there...
16:12 rambutan druthb has clearly upgraded the snacks
16:08 wahanui :)
16:08 druthb wahanui: botsnack Ghirardelli square
16:07 jcamins pablito: you can have multiple unrelated Koha installations.
16:05 pablito of koha that is
16:04 pablito can you tell me what are the purposes and advantages of having multiple instances?
16:04 pablito :-D
16:04 pablito hola whanui
16:03 wahanui hola, pablito
16:03 pablito hi
16:02 mtompset TEST ACK, rambutan. ;)
16:02 rambutan guess I'm here
16:01 rambutan TEST
16:01 mtompset SPLIT! Welcome back everyone? Or is it welcome back me? ;)
15:29 mtompset cait: I don't know why those two lines were in some of the sample_news.sql files before. I just made all the sample_news.sql files consistent, and that seemed like the best way to get consistency.
15:27 mtompset Greetings, kivilahtio.
15:27 kivilahtio good evening mtompset
15:27 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:17 jcamins PabloAB: no.
15:16 PabloAB A field hidden in OPAC is still visible with "save record" function. Is there a non-nasty way to hide a field also there?
15:16 PabloAB hi all! me again (firefox segmentation fault :/)
15:14 * jcamins is looking for a heisenbug elsewhere.
15:14 jcamins Yes, sorry.
15:13 pablito you mean koha-rebuild-zebra -f?
15:07 jcamins koha-rebuild -f myinstance
15:06 pablito well, what parameters would you use to do the full reindex?
15:05 jcamins Okay, then I don't have any ideas.
15:05 pablito yes
15:05 jcamins pablito: you did a full reindex, right?
15:04 pablito anyone have an idea, how I can resolve this beside reinstalling Koha?
15:04 pablito I tagged the call number field with 952$o
15:03 pablito but not on the search results view
15:03 pablito it shows on the MARC View under "Full Call Number"
15:03 pablito but on OPAC search, the call number doesn't show
15:03 pablito I've import 36000+ records of books
15:02 pablito I have Koha 3.14 running on the latest Ubuntu Server
15:02 pablito hopefully you can help me
15:02 pablito i have persistent problem that's been bugging me for a few weeks
15:01 pablito hi all
14:52 PabloAB Hi all!
14:06 francharb ;)
14:06 francharb sleep itight
14:06 mtj imports are still importing… back to sleep
14:05 mtj hiya francharb :p
14:02 francharb :)
14:02 * francharb waves to mtj
14:01 * mtj trolls off to bed, after checking some importing...
13:58 mtj http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2009-October/020996.html
13:57 mtj (aah, there is one later email where he scolds henri-damien for fucking-up the 3.0.4 release)
13:55 mtj wow, its also joshua's last email to the Koha list ever!?
13:53 oleonard A sad turning point which could have been fixed by PTFS/LibLime if they had wanted to.
13:52 mtj its quite an important moment in Koha history
13:50 kivilahtio magnuse: http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/NCIP?
13:50 mtj oleonard, wow, just having a read of that link from itwire -> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-September/020204.html
13:44 magnuse "a norwegian profile of NCIP" - is that really necessary?
13:41 oleonard Yeah me neither. Australian apparently.
13:40 magnuse stoush? never saw that word before
13:39 oleonard I also like how that itwire article links directly to the Koha list archive message where Josh lays out his best lies about "Liblime Enterprise Koha"
13:35 oleonard This outcome is a nice win in a world where the good guys seem to be losing
13:35 tcohen heh
13:34 oleonard I especially like how PTFS is characterized as a "defence contractor"
13:33 oleonard http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/62619-koha-wins-trademark-stoush-with-us-defence-contractor
13:32 kivilahtio :)
13:32 kivilahtio http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2579603/koha-trademark-case-won-by-nz-developers
13:32 francharb good morning
13:30 magnuse hiya tcohen
13:29 tcohen morning #koha
13:18 kivilahtio hi oleonard
13:17 oleonard Hi #koha
12:31 paxed Can't call method "sort" on an undefined value at /root/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 426.
12:06 cait1 bye all
11:25 cait1 :)
11:22 magnuse nah, there is no conflict between gpl and paying for stuff ;-)
11:06 magnuse dunno :-)
11:04 cait1 magnuse: GPL would probably be donating :) ...
10:50 Viktor I'd say that is a GPL approach :)
10:50 Viktor cait1 - Quite so :)
10:49 magnuse reuse++
10:48 cait1 Viktor: similar thing here... and by selling i at least hope it goes to a kid playing with it - better than throwing out things :)
10:47 paxed magnuse: no, i did not. i guess that'll have to do...
10:46 Viktor cait1 Hope you get a good price. I usually take a photo and get rid of the actual thing to keep the memory :)
10:45 magnuse did you see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Query_MARC ?
10:45 paxed looking for something similar, so i could do a query on any arbitrary marc field without needing to parse the marcxml with perl.
10:43 paxed in evergreen, i can do select * from metabib.real_full_rec where tag='100' and subfield='a' and value like '%tolkien%';
10:41 magnuse paxed: what do you mean by "a parsed version"?
10:40 paxed is there a database table that lists a parsed version of the biblio marcxml?
10:34 cait1 bit on and off today :)
10:33 cait1 Viktor: sorry, helping my dad selling my childhood on ebay...
10:01 magnuse yeah, never stay away for too long ;-)
09:50 Viktor A bit out of the loop with how everything is moving along and how you guys are doing
09:50 Viktor I've been offline from irc for a while.
09:50 Viktor How are you all?
09:49 Viktor Tack :)
09:49 magnuse krya på dig!
09:49 magnuse good to hear it is moving the right direction
09:49 Viktor Thanks :)
09:49 cait1 hope you are well soon
09:49 cait1 oh
09:49 Viktor I can limp around in a decent pace :)
09:48 Viktor Quite a bit better magnuse
09:48 Viktor Hi :)
09:48 Viktor Hu cait1
09:48 magnuse how's the knee?
09:48 Viktor Kia ora magnuse
09:48 cait1 hi Viktor :)
09:48 magnuse kia ora Viktor!
09:47 magnuse and it sounds like there is some good momentum behind a lot of it
09:47 * magnuse too
09:46 cait1 if we can manage, but i hope we can
09:46 cait1 hehe yeah
09:36 magnuse ooh, dbic, elasticsearch, bootstrap 3.0, catmandu, rdf... 3.16 is gonna be teh awesome!
09:05 magnuse Herwig: no problem!
09:04 Herwig magnuse i gonna try now thx for the info maybe ill be back (in panic) thx for the info for now
09:02 magnuse in the xslt i linked to, the biblionumber is taken from 999c and put in 001
09:01 Herwig can i use the record number somehow ?
08:59 Herwig ok i start investigating that ... question 2 what do i best take as unique identifier (future field 001)
08:58 magnuse yes, you use OAI-PMH:ConfFile to point to the config file (and in the config file you point to the xslt)
08:57 Herwig field
08:57 Herwig is that the one i have to point at in the OAI-PMH:ConfFile filed
08:55 magnuse you have to create a config file similar to this: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.14/en/webservices.html on your server. in that file you have to point to an xslt file similar to the one i linked to above, which does the actual transformation of the records when they are harvested through oai-pmh
08:54 Herwig lol ok i try to learn the tricky way
08:54 magnuse ooh, it's a bit tricky...
08:52 Herwig ok
08:52 magnuse let me see if i can give you some pointers
08:51 magnuse Herwig: https://gist.github.com/MagnusEnger/1918264
08:51 Herwig ok what does xslt do and where i use it (sorry dont know)
08:50 magnuse Herwig: i have some xslt lying around...
08:47 Herwig Question i activated OAI-PMH for an external database to harvest our koha ... now they ask to fill up field 001 and 003 ... 001 with an unique number that identify's the marc record 003 with our institution name ... anny tips how that is best done 001 and 003 are empty at the moment
08:27 cait1 good morning paul_p
08:22 cait1 should be fixed, but it seems noone before noticed
08:17 paxed the same string is in authorities/authorities.pl, C4/Items.pm, cataloguing/additem.pl and tools/batchMod.pl
08:16 gaetan_B hello
08:16 cait1 well then it's not translatable. sounds a bit weird
08:15 cait1 ew.
08:15 cait1 only the translation manager does it before a release and puts the files on pootle that are then pushed before release
08:15 paxed ...ah, but you mean templates. that title attribute is in a perl file.
08:15 cait1 every time the templates get changed you need to update the po file, we don't do that regularly on master
08:15 cait1 so that hsould be alright
08:15 cait1 and mouse over the other symbols
08:14 cait1 title attributes are translatable, you can see it if you go into the cataloguing editor
08:14 cait1 ah right
08:14 paxed cait1: i've got master on my desktop, but 3.14 + some changes on the server (which is the one i translate)
07:56 cait1 what are you translating? master or 3.14?
07:56 cait1 paxed: no, the po files only get updated before releases, you would need to do 'perl translate update <langcode>
07:55 cait1 internet even
07:55 cait1 interent here is a bit grumpy at tims
07:55 cait1 and what did this one miss?
07:55 rangi that wont be enough
07:55 rangi paxed: no
07:54 magnuse awww...
07:52 magnuse two caits - woohoo!
07:49 paxed cait: i've done "git pull" - shouldn't that be enough? I don't see that "Tag Editor" string in any po-file.
07:42 cait :)
07:40 magnuse oslo public library did an absolutely stunning talk about their needs and plans for infrastructure as they prepare for moving into a new main library
07:39 magnuse yeah, i'll see if they are interested in finnishing what we started
07:39 cait sounds good :)
07:39 magnuse lots of chatter in the breaks
07:39 cait maybe you can do a followup?
07:39 magnuse there were interesting talks
07:38 cait ooh
07:38 magnuse i had about 30 minutes too little for the hackfest, so everyone did not get around to submitting a patch :-(
07:38 wahanui niihau, reiveune
07:38 reiveune hello
07:38 wahanui kai ora, alex_a
07:38 alex_a bonjour
07:38 cait more details please! :)
07:37 magnuse cait: i'm happy :-) i think it was a success
07:37 magnuse \o/
07:37 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
07:37 magnuse confetti!
07:37 wahanui i think confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
07:37 magnuse confetti!
07:37 wahanui hmmm... confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
07:37 magnuse confetti!
07:37 cait how did it go????
07:37 magnuse oh and the trademark thin?
07:37 cait hi magnuse
07:37 cait paxed: title attributes are translatable - i think this one was missing until recently, might not be in your po file yet, try updating
07:37 rangi heh
07:37 * magnuse shouts "kia ora" at the top of his lungs
07:35 cait if it's in the html
07:35 cait might just be already translatable
07:35 cait if it's in the javascript...
07:35 cait hm also
07:35 cait you can break it up and add _("")
07:34 cait it's a tooltip
07:33 cait hi rangi
07:32 rangi evening
07:30 paxed ^ is that "Tag Editor" visible for users somewhere? if so, it needs to be translatable.
07:30 paxed <a href="#" class="buttonDot" onclick="Clic$function_name('$subfield_data{id}'); return false;" title="Tag Editor">...</a>
07:30 paxed grep ' title="' `find . -name \*.p[ml]` | grep -v '/blib/'
07:28 marcelr hi #koha
06:32 mtompset Have a great day, #koha
06:01 eythian good to know
05:53 mtompset Of course, I won't submit it, since it requires writing middle-ware.
05:53 mtompset In fact, that's what I hooked into partly for the external authentication patch.
05:52 mtompset There's a whole self-registration section in OPAC system preferences.
05:52 mtompset self-registration? I thought it was in 3.12
05:43 rangi *nod*
05:42 eythian I'll say yes, worst case, we fix up the patch :)
05:42 rangi ive had enough of that today :)
05:42 rangi but dont quote me on that
05:42 eythian cool
05:42 rangi i think it might be in 3.14
05:42 eythian I know it is/was in development, but can't remember if it's in yet.
05:41 eythian does Koha allow self-registration yet?
05:24 dcook Yay! Down to 6 messages in my work inbox.
05:20 dcook At this point, all I've really done with cygwin is use rsync, ssh, grep, and find.
05:19 mtompset Have you tried getting Koha to run in cygwin? ;)
05:17 dcook Making Windows a bit more bearable...
05:16 dcook cygwin++
05:03 rangi http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/62619-koha-wins-trademark-stoush-with-us-defence-contractor
04:30 eythian cool
04:30 mtj the staff circ screens have(had?) shortcut.js stuff
04:29 mtj yeah, afaik
04:27 eythian does the Koha stuff client have keyboard shortcuts?
04:24 mtj mucho thanks
04:23 mtj aah, ok
04:23 eythian bash: kan procesgroep (-1) van terminal niet instellen: Ongepaste ioctl() voor apparaat
04:23 eythian $ sudo su -l -c "/bin/bash"
04:23 eythian nope, it's the -c stuff
04:22 mtj weird, the ioctl error is seems to be caused by the 'env A=foo' stuff, before the /bin/bash bit...
04:20 mtj $ sudo su -l -c "env A=foo /bin/bash"
04:19 eythian I don't think you can do that
04:19 mtompset or you can write a shell script in some accessible location to set the env variables for you. :)
04:19 mtj i'll see if i can futz some better fix for it
04:19 eythian :)
04:18 mtj eythian, thanks for the brain-slap
04:18 * mtj isnt super hot with shell/env stuff
04:17 mtompset which is *BAD* if you have multiple instances.
04:17 mtompset which is why I also mentioned /etc/environment...
04:16 mtj yep, i was thinking something similar ^^
04:16 mtompset but as eythian pointed out, without the login shell, you aren't going to trigger the .profile.
04:16 mtompset so that if you did this method, it should properly set them. :)
04:16 mtompset That's why I was mentioning perhaps adding them to the .profile
04:15 mtj mtompset, yeah surely
04:15 mtompset But that information should be easy enough to fix. :)
04:15 eythian in fact, if they were set before, they won't be now.
04:15 mtompset Right.
04:15 mtj in 'su -l foofoo' both KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB are not set
04:14 mtompset Exactly.
04:14 wahanui mtompset: i'm not following you...
04:14 mtompset so close and yet so far, wahanui.
04:14 eythian :)
04:14 wahanui i think the difference is with the package the upgrade is more-or-less foolproof.
04:14 mtompset What is the difference?
04:14 mtj so close
04:14 mtj meh
04:13 mtj i missed the difference :/
04:13 mtj aaah, i take that back :p
04:13 mtompset probably because of how you sent up your environment variables.
04:13 mtj afaik, both methods are identical
04:12 mtompset That is the main point of using koha-shell. :)
04:12 eythian and you are the right user
04:12 eythian KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB are set properly
04:11 mtj whats the difference in the new shells enviroment?
04:11 mtj eythian, the curicial bit..
04:11 eythian problem then is that it wouldn't work if you don't want a login shell
04:11 mtompset (doesn't .profile run on an su -)
04:11 mtompset then then su - to it should catch it.
04:11 mtompset Though, you could always add export blah blah into the users .profile
04:10 mtompset Exactly.
04:10 eythian but not if you have >1 instance on a machine
04:10 mtompset But it isn't the best way to do it.
04:10 eythian well, you can
04:10 eythian mtompset: you can't do that
04:10 mtompset Yes, but if you have your environment variables in /etc/environment, then that isn't an issue.
04:10 eythian no it doesn't
04:09 mtj mtompset's suggestion seems to do that, afaick
04:09 eythian if you use su, then you don't get the benefit of that.
04:09 mtj mtompset's suggestion fixes my bug
04:09 eythian the point of koha-shell is to set up your koha environment appropriately.
04:09 mtj mtompset's suggestion gives me a shell without broken job control
04:09 eythian it's the same error
04:09 eythian yes, that's what that says
04:08 mtj my bug is a shell with broken job control
04:06 eythian not your example
04:06 eythian that's what's going on.
04:06 eythian root@zarathud:~#
04:06 eythian bash: er is geen taakbesturing in deze shell
04:06 eythian bash: kan procesgroep (-1) van terminal niet instellen: Ongepaste ioctl() voor apparaat
04:06 eythian [sudo] password for robin:
04:06 eythian $ sudo su -l -c "env A=foo /bin/bash"
04:06 mtj ok, explain to me why
04:06 eythian it isn't
04:06 mtj patch koha-shell to use 'su -l foofoo' , then (afaict) the bug is fixed
04:05 mtj well…
04:04 eythian in one you use koha-shell, in the other you use su.
04:04 eythian that's not the same thing.
04:04 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha-shell fix..." (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/30
04:02 eythian print out the command actually run, there might be a difference there.
04:02 eythian but it does an identical thing to adding -l to koha-shell
04:01 mtj i cant explain why… but it does fix the bug, on my fresh debian-7 VM
04:01 eythian I mostly just use it to run commands anyway.
04:01 eythian I suspect the complication is that I have to run a command to set up the environment and then invoke the shell, and that makes it unhappy.
04:00 eythian for su, - == --login
03:59 jcamins eythian: yeah, I thought -l added - --login, but it's just --login.
03:59 eythian in that case, making koha-shell use su -l probably won't help, as that's all that that does.
03:58 mtj eythian, i did try that before - problem still exists :/
03:57 mtj oops, missed jcamins link above ^^
03:57 eythian then use koha-shell -l
03:56 mtj i'll do a little more testing with it, this arvo
03:56 mtj but hey, swapping koha-shell to just use 'su -l koha_foo' for a shell , could be perfect and easy fix
03:54 wizzyrea apparently.
03:54 mtj the catch is… i think its a deeper debian tty bug
03:54 mtj wizzyrea, i plan to file a bug on it
03:52 mtj so, thats a decent workaroud for me… very. happy :)
03:52 jcamins I was thinking -l added - to the command line, but it looks like it doesn't.
03:52 mtj hey mtompset++, your idea works fine, afaict :p
03:51 jcamins mtj: add -v?
03:51 jcamins Actually, that's weird.
03:51 mtj hmmm … i dont use the '-l' arg
03:50 jcamins http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659878
03:50 jcamins wizzyrea: we can't.
03:50 * wizzyrea thinks we should just fix koha-shell.
03:49 * mtompset is just thinking out loud. :)
03:49 jcamins mtj: don't use -l.
03:49 mtompset sudo -i then su - {instance}-koha?
03:49 mtj wizzyrea, 'he' is me, or jcamins ?
03:48 wizzyrea i'd file a bug, in truth.
03:48 mtj hmm, whats the alt. then?
03:48 wizzyrea he means koha-shell
03:48 jcamins mtj: don't use a login shell.
03:47 mtj the koha-user's shell is kinda b*rked - with broken job control
03:47 dcook Sorry. I'm no help today :/
03:46 dcook Oh wait, I don't have Koha on my Debian VM atm...
03:46 dcook I thought that I'd seen that before and it didn't cause any issues. Hmm...let me see
03:46 mtj for me, yeah
03:46 dcook Is it actually causing a problem, mtj?
03:45 mtj ...anyone got a work-around?
03:44 mtj i've got a new debian VM, thats got this bug ^^ - its a real drag… :/
03:43 mtj .
03:43 mtj bash: no job control in this shell
03:43 mtj bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device
03:43 mtj # koha-shell koha1
03:43 mtj peeps, does anyone have any theories about this common(ish) error...
03:42 mtj .
02:59 mtj Van Canto, bringing German cappella metal to the next level...
02:58 mtj woah, that looks like a thursday arvo rabbit hole
02:56 trea oh steven seagull
02:49 eythian http://youtu.be/gg5_mlQOsUQ <-- specifically, this
02:48 eythian steven seagull
02:48 bag HA
02:48 mtj heh seagal
02:47 mtj ^^...that and any Segal new release
02:44 mtj …but, i'm enuff of a LOTR fan to consider those movies special :)
02:43 mtj bag, i do try and avoid cinemas these days, except for 'very special' occasions
02:37 mtompset The filter dropdowns are limited by installed languages. Should they be limited by installed languages as well as news languages?
02:36 mtompset Yes, yes they are. :)
02:36 wahanui Any suggestions are welcome.
02:36 mtompset Any suggestions?
02:35 mtompset Particularly, since I only have the default English installed for staff and opac.
02:34 mtompset 2) If so, how?
02:34 mtompset 1) Should I cover that case?
02:34 mtompset This means that we have news for language interfaces which may not be installed.
02:33 mtompset Let's say I went crazy and ran all the sample_news.sql files available.
02:33 mtompset So, next question, other than the "why does fixing one thing highlight a problem elsewhere?"...
02:32 bag no pre-release here
02:32 mtompset It is here in Canada too, but there's a pre-release show date here. :)
02:31 bag the US release date is 2013-12-13
02:30 mtompset bag: Really? There's a Thursday showing here in my tiny town of Bolton. ;)
02:27 wizzyrea for you jokers.
02:26 wizzyrea well early today.
02:26 wizzyrea ;)
02:26 wizzyrea was yesterday ;0
02:26 wizzyrea naw
02:26 eythian oh, thought you were going to the midnight one.
02:26 bag it's 0001 2013-12-13 here though
02:26 wizzyrea pack of jokers round here.
02:25 wizzyrea ok fine. geez.
02:25 bag heh
02:25 bag 0001 was the first showing :P
02:25 wizzyrea we are going tonight :P
02:25 eythian I will probably see it in the next week or so
02:25 wizzyrea 1201 was the first showing
02:25 bag mtj you a movie goer?
02:25 eythian ah, good, not crazy then :)
02:25 wizzyrea it was
02:25 eythian wait, I thought it was first thing this morning here.
02:25 bag ah
02:25 eythian No, I'm not.
02:24 bag I know wizzyrea is going your today is eythian going your today too?
02:24 bag booo
02:24 eythian bag: it came out in Europe about 12 hours _before_ it came out here, which is hardly fair.
02:23 wizzyrea poor ginny
02:22 mtj hey baggins
02:21 bag I didn't get into work today until like 4pm (poor gingin still has a high fever)
02:21 bag anyways cool news about the trademark
02:20 bag man I dislike being a day behind you NZ peeps - I was thinking that I could see the hobbit tonight at 12:01am - but also being here the Hobbit doesn't open untli the 13th here
02:19 bag heya mtj
02:10 mtj oooh -> http://www.vim3d.com/
01:46 YoungLibrarian Okay, well thank you everyone. I'll look into the Spine Label creator under Tools as soon as I can convience someone with more privligies to log in for me. :D
01:44 YoungLibrarian Very smart idea! LOL
01:43 * wizzyrea tries desperately not to know anything about voyager.
01:42 YoungLibrarian Does anyone know the VgerSpin program or how similar it is to the Koha spine label program?
01:42 dcook Also, you could try out a demo: http://koha-community.org/demo/
01:41 wizzyrea remind them that change is the only constant. As to it's user friendliness, once it's set up it's not bad, no.
01:41 wahanui mtompset is probably catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
01:41 dcook hey mtompset
01:41 mtompset The idnews field is autoincrement, but some of the files actually attempt to insert specific idnews numbers.
01:41 mtompset Actually, you don't, and that's why I'm asking.
01:40 eythian mtompset: probably that you'd end up with all the news items.
01:40 YoungLibrarian Is it user friendly? The cataloger here is used to using the Voyager Spine Label creator and very hard to convience to move to another program...
01:39 mtompset Greetings, dcook.
01:39 wizzyrea there is, I think it's for a very limited workflow though
01:39 * dcook thinks there might also be a fast spine label generator from the detail page as well
01:38 wizzyrea it does have a spine label creator, it's under tools -> label creator
01:37 YoungLibrarian Hello all. I was just wondering if Koha has an associated Spine Label creator or what other librarians use to create spine labels with Koha.
01:37 mtompset Next question that I need to figure out. :)
01:37 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "What would you expect?" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/29
01:36 mtompset Hmm...
01:36 * wizzyrea waves
01:36 eythian hi
01:36 mtompset Oh, and greetings, eythian and wizzyrea. Thanks for the feedback.
01:35 papa greetings mtompset
00:56 wizzyrea seems sensible
00:45 mtompset I'm trying to make them all similar.
00:45 mtompset I figure if someone attempted to run one of those language specific ones, they get hit with the truncate and that would be bad.
00:42 mtompset (for each language, I had only done english)
00:41 mtompset some had truncate in them!
00:41 mtompset While working on News by Branch, because kf/cait suggested I also edit the other sample_news.sql
00:29 eythian yeah, I shouldn't think so. Seems dangerous.
00:26 wizzyrea I wouldn't make that assumption
00:12 mtompset (i.e. lose all previous news which may be entered)
00:11 mtompset If we install sample news, do we expect to only install sample news?
00:10 mtompset Greetings, papa.