Time Nick Message 00:03 dcook Haha! 00:03 dcook Found it! 00:03 dcook I use the Bugzilla good 00:03 dcook Just need to choose every status and every resolution when searching.. 00:07 dcook bug 8251 for anyone lurking or reading the logs... 00:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, CLOSED FIXED, Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin 00:39 gmcharlt rangi: http://git.librarypolice.com/?p=koha-galen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/pg 00:39 wizzyrea "glomp" 00:39 wizzyrea is that a technical term 00:39 rangi nice! 00:39 gmcharlt yes 00:40 gmcharlt glomp. n. the sort of patch that mashes things together in a way that I never want to see in my RM queue ;) 00:41 rangi heh 00:41 gmcharlt however, reasonably instructive for testing the waters 00:42 dcook This is what I think when I hear glomp: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/glomp 00:42 dcook But still 00:42 dcook gmcharlt++ 00:56 mtj i think 'glomp' is the sound a water-cooler makes :p 00:56 mtj gmcharlt++, very impressive! 00:58 dcook mtj: I always thought that was more of a 'blurp' or 'bloop' 00:58 dcook Mind you, folks think that we go "beepboop" which doesn't sound anything like what we do, in my opinion... 00:58 dcook Maybe "clickety-clack" 00:58 * dcook personally sounds the sound of typing rather invigorating. 00:59 dcook sounds = finds 00:59 wizzyrea http://i.imgur.com/edlEg.gif 01:05 dcook I try to use more than two fingers :p 01:10 Dyrcona dcook: Ever use an IBM Selectric? That is the sound of typing! 01:11 wizzyrea ^ those old ibm keybords sounded awesome. 01:12 Dyrcona The Model M. Someone sells replicas online. 01:13 Dyrcona Oh, not a replica. It's the real deal. 01:13 Dyrcona I just swapped the keyboard on my Galago Ultra yesterday. It makes a world of difference. 01:14 dcook I don't know if I've ever used an electric typewriter... 01:14 dcook I have used a regular ol' manual one back in the day though 01:14 dcook I think I have an electric one as a Christmas tree base at the moment though.. 01:16 Dyrcona dcook: I'd like to see a picture of that. 01:16 Dyrcona :) 01:16 dcook hehe 01:17 dcook It's a bit of an unorthodox Christmas tree but I'll see what I can do 01:19 Dyrcona My mother had an Olivetti travel typewriter when I was kid. That thing was a joy to use. 01:19 Dyrcona I've been typing almost as long as I've been able to write. 01:26 dcook I could probably type before I could write, now that I think about it. Hmm.. 01:26 dcook I couldn't read books but I could play video games :p 01:32 Dyrcona I've been writing about as long as I've been able to read. How I am not a published novelist is a mystery to me. 01:53 user505 FWIW, responsive.mykoha.co.nz displays just fine in the most current version of Torbrowser, which is Firefox ESR 17.0.11 01:54 user505 oh 01:55 dcook Good to know :) 01:55 wizzyrea hurrah :) 01:56 wizzyrea it's not *quite* current master, but it's pretty close. 01:58 rangi seriously 01:58 rangi that guy is a troll 01:58 rangi and needs to just go away 01:58 rangi (paul a on the mailing list, not any of you fine people) 02:00 * dcook thinks rangi must've seen his puppy dog eyes 02:01 dcook I was going to read the mailing list this morning but got distracted 02:05 mtj tragic... 02:06 rangi yeah, derailing and destroying a useful thread 02:06 rangi thats the bit that rankles 02:06 mtj hey, if anything… 3rd world computers are *more* likely to have linux on them 02:06 rangi and if not, they SHOULD 02:06 rangi why in gods name would a bunch of free software developers encourage people to use windows 02:06 wizzyrea ^^ 02:06 wizzyrea so much that. 02:07 wizzyrea I was thinking the other day 02:07 wizzyrea about the abundance of good that Koha confers across the world 02:07 wizzyrea because it is free and open source software 02:07 wizzyrea free in cost, free in freedom. 02:07 mtj …its older/slower computers, with expensive expired M$ licenses on them - that get ubuntu-ized(™) 02:07 wizzyrea of course we talk about it a lot that Koha is in use in places that wouldn't have library systems 02:08 wizzyrea if not for Koha and linux 02:08 wizzyrea and how the skills required to run it really do raise people up 02:08 wizzyrea we emphasize sharing, and collaboration - these are library values. 02:09 wizzyrea there are your warm fuzzie feelings for the day 02:09 rangi :) 02:09 wizzyrea I don't feel fuzzie about windows xp 02:09 wizzyrea :P 02:13 mtj i'm almost tempted to make my point in an email reply… (but also can't quite be assed) 02:13 rangi i dont think it would help im afraid 02:13 dcook wizzyrea++ 02:15 * mtj recalls previous rick-rolled koha-dev threads... 02:15 rangi yeah 02:18 wizzyrea ...isn't xp up to like sp3 or 4 now? 02:18 wizzyrea how can you call that sane. 02:18 * dcook lost his xp passkey so has no idea anymore 02:18 wizzyrea me either. 02:19 dcook I don't even see the point of Windows anymore 02:19 rangi im quite proud i never had one 02:19 rangi :) 02:19 dcook Nice, rangi! 02:19 eythian I'm sure you can find one with google 02:19 wizzyrea :) 02:19 wizzyrea hehehe 02:19 eythian I used to have a VLK mostly memorised 02:19 eythian it may not have been quite legit. 02:19 dcook lol 02:20 mtj eythian, thass gansta :) 02:20 dcook The other day, I added an account for my wife, showed her the network share, and off she went doing her writing and internet browsing 02:20 dcook What more does the average person need? 02:20 dcook Gnome3 looks way better than Windows as well, so I don't even see the visual appeal 02:20 dcook I suppose it's tough to shake off (Microsoft) trauma though 02:21 wizzyrea i really like mint lately 02:21 dcook Debian-based or the other one? 02:22 * dcook seems to remember there were two Mints? 02:22 rambutan1 several different bases of Mint 02:22 mtj slightly off-topic… anyone rememebr the RAM spec of paul.a's kiosk boxes? 02:23 wizzyrea oh now he's incited us. 02:23 wizzyrea :P 02:23 mtj 256, or 512 meg - i guess? 02:23 * dcook seems to remember it being something like that? 02:23 dcook I suppose I wonder about all the different distros of Linux as well. I quite like Debian. I might try Ubuntu or Mint just to see what they're like, but...I'm happy enough. 02:24 dcook Ubuntu has more forums if nothing else 02:24 wizzyrea [off] though here he is, a guy running old Koha, who doesn't want to upgrade anything because it's not a priority (that's a translation for "no time") and prefers to run windows 98 and xp because they are "bullet proof" which I think means "you just don't know they are compromised" 02:24 wizzyrea there. rant complete. 02:25 mtj i recently installed debian with xfce and iceweasl on an old-ish 1gig eee-pc 02:25 mtj web surfing was quite snappy 02:26 eythian I have one of those lying around. I should do something similar with it. 02:26 rambutan1 I have two netbooks running Linux, one Mint and one Ubuntu. Both 1gb. 02:26 mtj wizzyrea++ yep, thats the one :) 02:28 wizzyrea to be fair xp is probably fine if no one ever uses it for anything and it's inside a firewall or not plugged into a network. 02:28 rangi it holds open doors well 02:28 * wizzyrea nods in agreement 02:29 wizzyrea air gaps are decently good at keeping xp from getting malware. 02:30 jcamins wizzyrea: unless you're that security researcher with the air gap-jumping malware. 02:30 dcook I've been thinking about switching my netbook to Ubuntu or at least dual booting it.. 02:30 wizzyrea I said "decently good" 02:31 * wizzyrea is glad that your email filter worked 02:31 jcamins gmcharlt: around? 02:31 wizzyrea considering setting up one of my own :P 02:31 gmcharlt jcamins: yep? 02:31 wahanui yep. 02:32 jcamins gmcharlt: where do you want me to push bug 10691? 02:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list 02:32 jcamins Assuming I like it, of course. 02:32 jcamins If it doesn't work, I won't push it anywhere. 02:32 gmcharlt jcamins: how about a create a new repo for you on git.k-c.org? 02:33 jcamins gmcharlt: that'll work. I'm also fine with pushing to koha.git/modmaint/authorities or something like that. 02:37 gmcharlt jcamins: gitmaster@git.koha-community.org:mm/jcamins 02:37 jcamins gmcharlt: thanks. 02:37 gmcharlt you alone have push access 02:37 rangi unless you are using windows xp, and then the whole world now does 02:38 * rangi wont let it go :) 02:38 jcamins lol 02:38 jcamins rangi: Windows 98SE. 02:38 jcamins As it happens, this is very secure because IT JUST CRASHED. 02:38 rangi heh 02:38 gmcharlt rangi: so you're saying Windows XP promotes global collaboration? 02:38 gmcharlt ;) 02:42 jcamins rangi: are anzac biscuits a NZ thing in addition to an Australia thing? 02:42 rangi they are 02:42 eythian definitely 02:42 rangi we probably invented them 02:42 rangi pretty much everything in australia we actually invented 02:42 rangi including kangaroos 02:42 jcamins lol 02:42 jcamins Are they a really big deal? Apparently they're a really important part of Australian culture. 02:42 * eythian doesn't claim the platypus. that thing is too ridiculous. 02:43 eythian jcamins: they are quite a big deal, yeah 02:43 eythian you'll see them all over, especially around ANZAC day, unsurprisingly. 02:44 wizzyrea https://31.media.tumblr.com/73b6c9afded4298fb9ed90e6b2617fb9/tumblr_mxm5mnijSm1qdlh1io1_400.gif pretty sure we wouldn't claim this kangaroo either. 02:45 eythian http://our-shed.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/kangaroo-kicks-kid-in-th.gif <-- would totally claim this one though 02:45 rangi there has been controversy about anzac biscuits lately 02:46 mtj hmm…we should call them 'patriot biscuits'? 02:46 rangi naw someone changed the recipe or something 02:46 mtj freedom biscuits 02:47 mtj damn, thats funny 02:47 rangi like they left out golden syrup or something 02:48 rangi which is pretty much the entire point 02:48 dcook I seem to remember Arnotts saying that they were going to do something to them 02:48 dcook But I thought that was a while ago 02:48 rangi thats right 02:48 dcook jcamins: They are rather tasty 02:48 mtj this really is all news to me 02:48 dcook I think NZ might also have dibbs on Lamingtons 02:49 dcook Lammingtons? 02:49 rangi and pavlova 02:49 rangi and flat whites 02:49 dcook Still have yet to eat pavlova 02:49 rangi and jet boats 02:49 dcook Really, flat whites? 02:49 dcook My wife was outraged not to find flat whites in Canada 02:49 rangi heh 02:49 dcook She had numerous rants about the lack of flat whites 02:49 mtj i think i'm thinking of afghan biscuits…with cornflakes?! 02:49 dcook It wasn't until one of our last days that she had a cup of coffee she deemed "acceptable" 02:49 rangi you can keep russel crowe tho 02:49 dcook Do we have tO? 02:49 dcook to* 02:50 rangi mtj: yeah those are afghans 02:50 jcamins I always thought Russel Crowe was USian. 02:50 mtj wow, wiki entry -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_biscuit 02:50 rangi born in nz, mostly lived in aussie 02:50 dcook Everyone is secretly Australian 02:50 jcamins He's a bit of a jerk, yeah? 02:50 rangi yep 02:50 rangi thats the aussie side 02:50 rangi hehe 02:50 dcook hehe 02:50 mtj Edmonds Cookery Book++ 02:50 dcook So many people I thought were American...actually Australian 02:50 rangi he was cool as hell when he was like 2 years old 02:50 rangi :) 02:50 gmcharlt rangi: you know this from personal experience? ;0 02:50 jcamins Edmonds Cookery Book? 02:51 rangi yep, we know everyone 02:51 rangi jcamins: thats the one, kf has a copy of it. kathryn got it for her 02:51 rangi all the best recipes in there 02:51 rangi heh 02:52 rangi BobB must have heard me making fun of australia 02:52 mtj jcamins -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonds_Cookery_Book 02:52 BobB rangi was that you making fun of Australia? 02:52 jcamins I have really weird authority records. 02:52 rangi heh 02:53 dcook IE7 is only in XP? Awesome. Maybe April will bring change... 02:53 * dcook won't get his hopes up though 02:53 mtj wow - The book has been described as "as much a part of New Zealand kitchens as a stove and knife," and at one time it was "sent unsolicited to every newly engaged couple in New Zealand." 02:53 dcook I'm referring to corporate environments rather than Koha though 02:53 dcook mtj: That's wild 02:54 eythian I have one of those around somewhere, I think 02:55 dcook rangi++ 02:55 dcook Catalyst++ 02:55 mtj rangi, for the record… -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzac_biscuit :) 02:56 * dcook is reading emails - not being totally random 02:56 rangi heh 02:57 dcook Damn it, now I want Anzac biscuits.. 02:57 dcook We had a bit of a ban in the house as they're too easy to make 02:57 mtj Legal issues - The term Anzac is protected under Australian law[5] and cannot be used in Australia without permission from the Minister for Veterans' Affairs;[6] misuse can be legally enforced particularly for commercial purposes. 02:57 dcook Can't be eating cookies all the time 02:58 mtj There is a general exemption granted for Anzac biscuits, as long as these biscuits remain basically true to the original recipe and are both referred to and sold as Anzac biscuits and never as cookies.[9] 02:58 jcamins Seriously, these authority records... 02:58 jcamins so weird. 02:59 jcamins Gemeinsame Normdatei, I'm looking at you! 02:59 mtj jcamins, you and liz should swap :p 03:00 jcamins mtj: nah, she can keep her weird authority records. I don't need more. 03:03 wizzyrea migration_toolbox++ 03:05 kathryn jacamins rangi mtj:oh I'm late to the party! afghans = biscuits for breakfast! anzac biscuits are only good if you know the person who made them! <-- opinions 03:05 kathryn :) 03:06 jcamins Oh dear. 03:06 jcamins 10691 isn't looking so good. 03:06 mtj hey kathryn, this idea works with all biscuits, too ^^ 03:06 kathryn add golden syrup jacamins 03:07 mtj and sandwiches too :p 03:07 * dcook tries to remember if they have "golden syrup" in America 03:07 dcook I don't think I'd heard of it until I came to Oz 03:07 * dcook hasn't baked regularly in 20 years though 03:07 jcamins This is a disaster. 03:07 mtj …also, sandwiches are better at other peoples houses 03:07 jcamins I wonder what went wrong. 03:07 dcook mtj: I don't know...I think I prefer my sandwiches 03:07 dcook Mind you, I haven't had NZ sandwiches 03:08 mtj no no… the thrill of new condiments 03:08 jcamins mtj: only when you're a kid. 03:08 mtj ok, yeah, perhaps… 03:08 jcamins I don't like other people's sandwiches now that I'm an adult. 03:08 * wizzyrea suspects that mtj is really a big kid. 03:08 jcamins Actually, I didn't like sandwiches at all when I was a kid. 03:08 jcamins I would have everything in separate pieces. 03:09 jcamins I'd pile it all together, then eat the filling followed by the bread. 03:09 wizzyrea ^ is what spud does 03:09 jcamins The odd thing is, I had no problem with the different foods touching each other. 03:10 jcamins I don't exactly remember why this seemed necessary, but it wasn't until my late teens that I stopped doing that. 03:10 kathryn mtj: no limits on breakfasts foods :) 03:13 mtj kathryn, absolutely no limits on breakfasts foods 03:13 wizzyrea beans on toast. 03:14 kathryn oh and hi dcook :) 03:15 dcook heya kathryn :) 03:15 mtj wait, does that mean any food at breakfast time? 03:15 mtj or breakfast foods, at any time? 03:16 mtj (fwiw, my rule covers both cases) 03:25 * jcamins reads the instructions for Munchkin, which he now owns. 03:32 eythian it's good fun 03:32 eythian I own that also 03:34 rangi oh man 03:34 rangi i am so backing this 03:34 rangi http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1199970645/the-only-genuine-liege-wafels-in-new-zealand?ref=city 03:34 rangi To become a modern, trendy Food Truck or Cart so we can bring the streets of Belgium to the streets of Wellington and eventually all of New Zealand... 03:35 rangi SOLD! 03:36 BobB Irma is from Liege and she makes those! Yum 03:36 wizzyrea oh man. 03:36 rangi i really like the backing prizes too 03:36 eythian ooooooo 03:36 wizzyrea tell me they are putting that in the market across the street. 03:36 rangi not unless you back it they arent! 03:36 kathryn same thought wizzyrea :) 03:36 dcook Oh my... 03:38 wizzyrea daw send us to the soup kitchen. 03:38 wizzyrea that IS a good prize. 03:38 dcook Those are some legit prizes 03:39 * dcook hasn't had a good belgian waffle in years.. 03:39 wizzyrea oh ok. Even if I don't get to get a wafel every week for a month I'll still give em some money. :P 03:39 dcook BobB: How far away do you live again? ;) 03:46 mtompset Actually IE7 was in Vista. 03:48 dcook Mmm fun times... 03:48 * dcook will be stuck with folks using IE7 forever 03:49 wizzyrea man screw ie7 srs. 03:49 wizzyrea vista also, should be dead if it isn't. 03:57 BobB dcook, we're near North Sydney, 10km from you maybe 03:58 BobB waffles and beer? 04:01 dcook waffles and beer sounds awesome 04:01 Irma Did I hear talk about Liege waffles? I still have 2kg of "sucre perle" .... 04:01 dcook We should make this happen sometime 04:02 dcook I don't think I've ever seen sucre perle before now 04:02 dcook Irma: I think we were all drooling over the prospect of Liege waffles :) 04:02 Irma the waffle iron will need a slight dusting but let's do it in Jan/Feb. 04:03 mtompset [off] Paul A is running FF 3.6 on Win98SE kiosks?! That's not officially supported either. Why does he keep doing unofficial things? 04:03 dcook Sure. Jan/Feb should work for me :) 04:04 Irma :-) 04:04 Irma sorry back to work ... 04:09 dcook Same ;) 04:47 eythian In case anyone was following the Koha trademark thing in NZ, it's been decided in favour of HLT. mtj, you might be interested in that. 04:49 BobB woot woot!! 04:49 dcook \o/ 04:49 dcook confetti! 04:49 wahanui somebody said confetti was http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 04:49 dcook confetti? 04:49 wahanui confetti is probably http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 04:49 dcook confetti 04:49 wahanui it has been said that confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 04:49 dcook :@ 04:49 BobB Congratulations to the HLT team and thanks to mtj for your part 04:50 Irma Great outcome! Thanks for letting us know eythian 04:50 dcook Awesome awesome news 04:52 mtj yay for the HLT Koha™ project 04:57 mtj may it continue on its award-winning, next-gened path to ecilpsdom 05:03 dcook Eating bananas while programming is not easy 05:04 * dcook just thought he would lighten the mood with another fact\ 05:04 dcook eythian: Has that result been published anywhere that one could link to? 05:04 eythian I had a brief look but couldn't find it. 05:04 eythian I think the IPONZ site hasn't yet been updated with it. 05:05 dcook Cool beans. I'll have to take another look tomorrow. 05:22 mtj i'm very keen to read any info on it - and/or chat about it over a beer sometime :p 05:23 mtj eythian ^^ 05:25 dcook Beer and waffles! 05:25 * dcook is just sayin'... 05:26 dcook dbs: Are you around at the moment? 05:26 eythian http://ubuntuone.com/2nhMGB1Pzur3ShLzMlvS3N <-- dcook, mtj 05:26 dcook Actually, I think I figured it out.. 05:27 dcook Yep, totes got it now 05:31 BobB eythian thank you, that will be a good read. 05:31 dcook It's fascinating so far 05:31 dcook Irma++ 05:31 eythian it is interesting 05:31 dcook rangi++ 05:31 BobB I hadn't realised CIT was a party to the proceedings. Well done. Costs awarded too. 05:32 mtj awesome, thanks eythian :) 05:41 rangi costs awarded too 05:48 dcook Yay for the result and the costs awarded 05:48 dcook Very interesting findings 05:49 * rangi has to go talk to reporters now 05:57 mtompset Hmmm... So basically the applicants can't use "Koha" in NZ? 05:58 * mtompset is going to bed having succeeded at getting his 38.69K patch tested successfully. :) 06:00 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. The ruling already is nice. :) 07:09 mtj man, i tell ya… i can crash mysql just by looking at it :/ 07:13 mtj ive been trying to switch to 'innodb_file_per_table' 07:15 mtj after reboot, mysql always comes up completely borked 07:35 reiveune hello 07:35 wahanui niihau, reiveune 07:59 alex_a bonjour 08:10 gaetan_B hello 08:12 cait hello all 08:56 Joubu Hello #koha 08:56 Joubu I'm happy to see that there has been answers to my email :) 09:04 kivilahtio Joubu: If I want a timetamp yyyymmddhhmmss or similar format, should I use Koha::DateUtils, or Koha::Calendar or C4::Dates? 09:05 kivilahtio We should use Koha:: IMHO but the Koha::DateUtils is a temporary module for wrappers to hide the complexity of switch to DateTime? 09:05 Joubu kivilahtio: use Koha:: DateUtils 09:05 kivilahtio nothing is more persistent than temporary :) 09:05 kivilahtio thanks 09:06 Joubu kivilahtio: if you want to display a date depending on the pref format (dateformat) use the Koha:: DateUtils::output_pref routine 09:07 kivilahtio Joubu: wow someone has documented this since I last took a look into this 09:07 kivilahtio Joubu: I'll try to wrap my head around this 09:11 cait kivilahtio: don't use C4:* 09:33 kivilahtio So what is the proper term for staff client/intranet/staff interface? 09:58 ashimema Mornin' #koha 10:42 cait morning ashimema 11:08 rangi i should be on here tomorrow http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport 11:08 rangi at about 7.30am nz time 11:08 cait cool 11:09 cait seems you can listen live without problems from germany 11:09 rangi talking about the fact that the liblime trademark has been rejected 11:09 cait woohoo! 11:09 cait confetti! 11:09 wahanui it has been said that confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 11:09 cait hehe :) 11:09 rangi so i better hit the hay, so i wake up in time 11:10 cait sleep well 11:23 * mtj sets his alarm for 7:30am 11:24 cait :) 11:24 cait hi mtj :) 11:26 * mtj ponders how many years its been, since he waited for this good news… 11:26 mtj hiya cait 11:34 cait too many 11:39 mtj indeed - the wheels of justice, greed and stupidity turn slow 11:39 cait at least we got the right ending 11:55 kivilahtio So I can listen to the programme afterwards it seems 11:56 kivilahtio so very cool, I'll advertise this around! 11:56 mtj ha, yeah… that is a good point cait :) 11:56 kivilahtio I hope someone could remind mne about this :) 11:57 * mtj sets kivilahtio's alarm for 7:30am :p 11:58 mtj hokay, i'm off to bed too… nite all 11:58 kivilahtio mtj: We have bathroom renovations in our apartment block. I get a regular alarm every morning 7:30-8:30 am whether I wanted it or not 11:58 kivilahtio gnite! 11:58 mtj man, thats a bummer ^^ 11:59 kivilahtio Well we get new porcelain 11:59 kivilahtio to replace the piss-burnt ones 11:59 mtj lol, great phrase! 12:05 kivilahtio mtj: I've got plenty of those in my sleeve :) 12:05 kivilahtio go to bed now, whoosh 12:12 cait kivilahtio: 19:30 here of course, i set my phone 12:31 tcohen morning #koha 12:31 cait morning tcohen 12:31 cait did you see the big good news yet? 12:32 tcohen nope 12:32 tcohen which? 12:32 wahanui which is, like, quite horrible 12:32 cait nz trademark is safe! 12:32 tcohen weeeeeeeeeeeee 12:33 tcohen congrats kiwis :-D 12:33 cait tcohen: there is a bit on twitter 12:34 cait https://twitter.com/normnz/status/410654460357013504 12:36 tcohen :-D \o/ 12:40 tcohen jcamins: can you tell me how to build an authority record that shows wrong with my patch? 12:41 jcamins Argh! What happened to my hilite window?!? 12:42 jcamins tcohen: of course. 12:42 * cait hides 12:42 jcamins The easiest thing to do is get a record from Germany. 12:42 * tcohen wishes he knew more about marc 12:44 jcamins But I *think* that you can recreate the problem just by putting a relationship into $w. 12:44 tcohen ok, let me try 12:46 cait hi drojf 12:47 jcamins Okay, hilight window is back. 12:47 drojf hi cait 12:47 drojf hi #koha 12:47 cait :) 12:48 tcohen jcamins: in 400 for example? or 500? 12:48 drojf the irc meeting in the topic is outdated btw 12:49 jcamins tcohen: 500. 12:49 tcohen jcamins: numbers from 0 to 5? 12:50 jcamins I will check exactly what I have. 12:51 jcamins Actually, looks like it causes problems with 4xx too. 12:51 jcamins 410 1# $aNew York (City).$bPolice Dept.$wnnaa 12:52 jcamins 510 2# $aAstor Library$wr 12:52 tcohen oh, I see 12:53 tcohen is just a wrong newline! 12:54 tcohen no, i broke it bad heh 12:55 kivilahtio breaking bad! 12:55 tcohen i'll provide a followup, would you take a look? 12:55 jcamins Certainly. Thanks! 12:56 tcohen hi kivilahtio 12:56 kivilahtio hi tcohen! 13:01 * francharb waves 13:05 * cait waves at francharb 13:05 francharb :) 13:05 * tcohen hates some variable names... 13:05 cait oh? 13:07 tcohen how would you call a variable that holds wether a link is a seefrom or seealso kind of link? 13:08 cait linktype? 13:08 tcohen like it, i don't like "label" 13:08 cait you will have to argue with jcamins about those ;) 13:09 * jcamins is not attached to variable names. 13:11 kivilahtio tcohen: I would name it linkIsSeeFromOrSeeAlso 13:11 jcamins kivilahtio: I stand corrected. 13:11 kivilahtio especially if you are using it in boolean, or n-state flag 13:11 kivilahtio let the compiler otimize it :) 13:11 kivilahtio jcamins: I would rather write code for humans that for computers 13:12 jcamins kivilahtio: but that variable will have the name even long after the variable's use is expanded. 13:12 kivilahtio jcamins: good point 13:13 kivilahtio linkType sounds good :) And a nice documentation next to the variable about what it's values are ment to be 13:14 * cait is still trying to fix the links in the carts and lists... and meh. 13:14 cait bug 5010 13:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Incomplete links in carts and lists sent from the staff client 13:25 oleonard Hi #koha 13:26 kivilahtio hi oleonard 13:26 cait hi oleonard 14:01 oleonard Seems crazy that we haven't added a "restore deleted biblilo/item" feature yet 14:02 kivilahtio oleonard: I guess it might be usefull 14:02 kivilahtio oleonard: better htan creating those objects from scratch 14:03 jcamins oleonard: I presume it doesn't get enough use that people miss it. 14:03 kivilahtio jcamins: Yeah, unless someone asks for, I wouldnt do it. 14:04 kivilahtio oleonard: Tho I have a gut feeling librarians here will come asking for it. 14:10 Dyrcona Heh. In Evergreen world we constantly get asked why deleted items are not really deleted. 14:13 oleonard Why does it come up Dyrcona? 14:21 tcohen jcamins, I should mark it needs.signoff, right? 14:21 jcamins How big is the follow-up? 14:22 tcohen small 14:22 jcamins Actually, yeah, I guess we need another sign off regardless. 14:23 tcohen done 14:23 jcamins I'll put a note saying I'll review it again once it has one sign off. 14:24 oleonard So how will PTFS compete in New Zealand now that they can't use the trademark as a bludgeon against competitors? 14:24 tcohen d*mn I forgot the OPAC heh 14:25 jcamins Oh, say, while you're editing the OPAC... fancy adding it to Bootstrap? :) 14:25 kivilahtio jcamins: I always forget bootstrap duh 14:26 ashimema anyone out there got a reasonably small, but quiet extensive in terms of use cases, marc21 demo database? 14:26 tcohen jcamins: yes 14:26 jcamins Thanks! 14:27 ashimema I want to stick a sensible sized one on the PTFS Europe sandbox.. thinking one that include some analytics, and a few users of various types.. 14:27 ashimema just wodnered if anyone had compiled such a thing, or wether I need to strip down what I'm currently using. 14:27 jcamins ashimema: I'm not aware of one like that. 14:28 ashimema cheers jcamins.. had a feeling that would probably be the case.. I'll get hacking at this one to trim it down a bit then. 14:30 * cait waves 14:30 druthb o/ 14:30 druthb cait!! 14:31 cait oleonard: it used to exist - the undo deletes, got broken sometime along the way 14:31 oleonard Is it possible in one query to pull title/biblionumber information based on barcode whether the barcode is in deleteditems or items, the title in deletedbiblio or biblio? 14:31 * tcohen loves bonus points 14:32 jcamins oleonard: in a monster query you could. 14:32 cait druthb! :) 14:33 jcamins oleonard: I think you'd need to use subqueries + unions. 14:34 cait oleonard: yes, using unions would work, certainly possible 14:49 mtj peeps, what the best strategy to handle a old koha- 3.0.4 , that is missing its $999x mapping, during an upgrade…? 14:50 tcohen jcamins: done 14:50 jcamins mtj: where is biblionumber stored? 14:50 jcamins Off the top of my head, the best option would seem to be a script that retroactively puts biblionumber into all the records. 14:51 mtj jcamins, looks like $090, (afaik, the default place for koha-3.0) 14:53 mtj hmm, this bug must exist for every koha upgrade, before the 999 move 14:54 tcohen cait: bug 10691 14:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list 14:55 tcohen is your bug, all yours :-P 14:57 tcohen jcamins: are 4xx$w and 5xx$w fixed value fields? 14:57 tcohen should them by handled by authorized values? 14:57 jcamins tcohen: sort of. 14:58 jcamins The authority plugin handles the normalish options. 15:00 cait jcamins: so those are not used for an id but for some kind of type declaration? 15:01 jcamins cait: right. 15:01 jcamins ID is in $0 and $9. 15:01 jcamins how about more marc? 15:01 jcamins more marc? 15:01 jcamins what we need is more marc? 15:01 jcamins marc? 15:01 wahanui marc is the standard that isn't 15:01 jcamins Ummm... 15:02 jcamins let's add more marc? 15:02 cait oh ok :) 15:02 cait we need more marc 15:02 cait we need more marc! 15:02 cait wahanui: we need more marc 15:02 wahanui cait: excuse me? 15:02 cait hm. 15:02 cait wahanui: marc? 15:02 wahanui rumour has it marc is the standard that isn't 15:03 cait maybe you have to be rangi for this to work :) 15:03 jcamins Heh. 15:03 jcamins So it would seem. 15:03 tcohen jcamins: i dont' see any plugin for $w 15:04 jcamins tcohen: it's handled by the authority plugin. 15:04 jcamins Because $w is not independent of $a. 15:04 tcohen ok, i'll dig 15:05 jcamins The plugin is on $a. 15:11 cait magnus_away++ 15:11 cait seems like the hackfest is going well! 15:11 cait i see bug reports coming in :) 15:11 cait magnuse++ 15:37 oleonard cait: hackfest? 15:37 wahanui hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :) 15:37 cait oleonard: they are having an event in norway 15:38 cait yesterday and today i think 15:40 oleonard Neat 15:49 tcohen ok, fixed bug 10691, and rebased 10987 against the latest patches 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list 15:49 tcohen Joubu: I got the bonus points as fixed for bottstrap too 15:50 Joubu tcohen++ :) 16:27 oleonard gmcharlt: You're just forcing mbalmer to file a new "Koha uses MySQL" bug :P 16:28 gmcharlt oleonard: pressing the RESO/DUPE button is exercise, right? ;) 16:38 cait gmcharlt: I am going to propose a few patches for bug 5010 for feedback... 16:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Incomplete links in carts and lists sent from the staff client 16:46 gmcharlt cait++ 16:47 cait not sure they are any good 16:47 cait but maybe giving it a nudge and someone has a better idea 17:26 gmcharlt jcamins: would be of any use to you to have the master branch on mm/jcamins be automatically updated whenever that branch on the main repo gets updated? 17:26 druthb @quote random 17:26 huginn druthb: Quote #244: "'If you really didn't do it yourself, then yes, the only other conclusion is you were/are hacked by someone who likes to upgrade Koha'" (added by mtj at 10:37 PM, April 30, 2013) 17:30 mtj ah, yep - that was a good one… ^^ 17:31 reiveune bye 17:37 mtj and gmcharlt++ for bug 7365 :) 17:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Koha should support PostgreSQL 17:42 oleonard It's been a long time since we heard from the mysterious vigilante Koha upgrader 17:43 oleonard The Koha support cartels probably conspired to put him behind bars 17:43 gmcharlt oleonard: oh, if you miss him that badly, just wander over to #postgresql on Freenode 17:43 gmcharlt ;) 17:55 gaetan_B bye! 18:07 tcohen jcamins: do u think that for bug 8018 we should just make 0 mean 'no limit'? 18:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8018 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New subfields have a default max length of zero 18:09 rambutan @seen rangi 18:09 huginn rambutan: rangi was last seen in #koha 7 hours and 2 seconds ago: <rangi> so i better hit the hay, so i wake up in time 18:11 cait rambutan: he shoudl be on radio soon 18:11 rambutan radio? 18:15 cait rambutan: about the trademark 18:15 jcamins tcohen: that might be a good idea, yeah. 18:17 PabloAB Hi jcamins, I have just entered. What do you think about my solution to bug 8018? 18:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8018 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New subfields have a default max length of zero 18:18 jcamins PabloAB: is that the solution tcohen just asked about? 18:20 PabloAB I didn't login fast enough to read tcohen question, but we were talking on gtalk. 18:22 PabloAB ​ Librarians and I break our heads trying to find out why we weren't able to add anything to a recently added subfield, because we didn't go to "more constrains" 18:22 tcohen the patch that introduced the maxlenght set a default of 9999 18:23 PabloAB I agree "0" might be "no limits", but that require more tweaks on source code, now the bug I think is a big one 18:25 PabloAB That's right, at SQL level I think, but right now (at least with my Koha 3.12.06.000) If you create a new subfield and forget going "more constraints" you will never be able to write a bit in it. 18:27 gmcharlt FWIW, I have no objection to having maxlength of 0 be interpreted as unlimited 18:28 gmcharlt nor, for that matter, tossing in a $maxlength //= 9999 prior to inserts 18:31 cait talking about the trademark now 18:32 cait http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/live/national.asx there was a short note but i missed part of it 18:33 rambutan cait: ah! that's what I was inquiring about. I haven't seen the news, but surmised that the case had been decided against the trademark, so that is confirmed then? 18:34 rambutan google isn't showing anything about it 18:35 cait rambutan: https://twitter.com/normnz/status/410654460357013504 18:36 rambutan tnx 18:38 oleonard Can't... stop... feeding... troll! 18:40 cait it's on now 18:40 cait rangi talking 18:40 gmcharlt *listening* 18:43 rangi gah that sucked 18:43 rangi should be on the site soon 18:43 cait no it didn't :) 18:44 rangi umm umm umm 18:44 cait ummwhat? 18:44 rangi thats what i kept saying 18:44 gmcharlt rangi: umms of joy, right? 18:44 cait :) 18:44 rangi heh 18:47 rangi live to air interviews 18:47 rangi are hard 18:47 rangi when its going out to a million or so listeners 18:47 rangi FREAK OUT 18:47 cait rangi++ you did grat 18:47 cait great even 18:47 gmcharlt rangi:++ 18:47 rangi ok gotta go catch a bus 18:47 oleonard rangi++ 18:47 rangi i managed to get a plug in for biblibre too 18:54 jcamins For future reference, don't braise duck wings. 18:54 rambutan Let me jot that down 18:54 oleonard Oh no, did rangi really tell those millions of listeners to braise duck wings?! 18:55 cait lol 18:55 rambutan so jcamins, pray tell, what about the braised duck wings? 18:58 jcamins There's no meat on duck wings. 18:59 rambutan ah, yes, quite so. 18:59 jcamins Having braised the wings, I am now just putting them in a stock. 18:59 rangi Interview is online now 18:59 rangi In ogg too 19:00 rambutan good 19:00 tcohen rangi++ 19:00 rangi http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport 19:00 rambutan that other thing required a proprietary plugin 19:00 rangi Scroll to bottom ogg link on the right 19:01 cait they are really fast 19:01 tcohen bye #koha 19:04 rambutan rangi++ 19:06 rangi Yeah radio nz are cool as hell 19:06 rangi Public funded broadcaster ftw 19:06 rambutan good interview rangi, and yea, the ogg was fine 19:06 kathryn yay rangi !! 19:06 kathryn yay koha :) 19:06 rangi Thanks it was live to air and I had no idea what the questions would be 19:06 kathryn you sounds so kiwi! 19:07 rangi I scrambled a bit 19:07 kathryn nah, you sound like a real person 19:07 kathryn and not a scrambly one 19:07 * cait has to agree with kathryn :) 19:07 * cait waves to kathryn 19:07 cait dinner time, bbl 19:07 * kathryn waves back :) 19:08 cait and if someone gets bored... igot a few patches waiting for sign off out there :) 19:16 mtj Koha™ FTW -> http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/2579603 19:21 mtj chris, well said, well done :) 19:48 rangi back at work now 19:49 cait :) 19:49 gmcharlt khall++ # being a good sport about feedback 19:49 rangi khall++ 19:50 Brooke o/ 19:50 * Brooke hands rangi a cookie 19:50 khall let it me known that I will mail any contraband requested to anywhere in the world if it motivates anyone to test the accounts rewrite more ; ) 19:50 cait he really is 19:50 cait khall++ 19:51 khall cait: you need more peanutbutter cups yet ; ) 19:51 cait hehe they are all gone... 19:52 khall if you are going to the biblibre hackfest I'll make sure to send some with Brendan 19:52 Brooke wait, are we bribing her with Reese's or Trader Joe's here? 19:52 rangi lol i went overboard 19:52 rangi im gonna put that in my .signature 19:52 Brooke it's okay rangi, at least you didn't beat a colleague with a rescue tube. 19:52 Brooke >.> 19:52 Brooke <.< 19:53 khall I've got a Trader Joe's not but 90 minutes from home .. :;) 19:53 francharb ? 19:53 * francharb waves Brooke 19:53 * khall lives in the sticks 19:53 * Brooke hugs francharb 19:53 francharb :) 19:54 cait khall: :D 19:54 oleonard rangi: overboard? 19:55 rangi koha-devel mailing list 19:55 wahanui koha-devel mailing list is the best place for that 19:56 cait khall: i only know reese's so far :) 19:57 francharb they are the best 19:57 francharb ;) 20:02 brendan_ I can bring some trader joes peanut butter cups - there are 3 in my town 20:02 * Brooke gasps 20:03 Brooke surely we must corrupt you to try Trader Joe's dark when next we see ye >:) 20:03 Brooke hey pianohacker 20:03 wahanui I HATE XML 20:04 pianohacker hey Brooke 20:04 jcamins There are a gazillion in the city, but I try to avoid them. 20:06 cait i am happy with the cheap ones too :) 20:06 * druthb waves to Brooke 20:06 jcamins Oh no! rangi's gone overboard! 20:06 * Brooke winks at druthb 20:07 * Brooke saves him 20:07 Brooke Don't worry, just stay calm, I'm a lifeguard, you're going to be okay. 20:07 jcamins Rangi's still overboard! 20:07 ashimema I get the feeling I've just missed somthing.. rangi gone overboard.. does he need a lifegaurd? 20:08 * Brooke chalks up another save. 20:08 jcamins Brooke: I don't know... he was overboard long enough to lose his identity. 20:09 Brooke that's hospital's problme 20:09 jcamins Heh. 20:09 cait ashimema: good thinking... we should throw him some cookies... 20:11 ashimema Just listening to Chris's radio stuff now.. nice work chris. 20:12 Brooke yep, said all the right things :D 20:18 rangi heh 20:19 ashimema he's back.. :) 20:19 ashimema nice work on the radio rangi. 20:20 rangi thank you 20:20 rangi was nerve ranking, being live to air, and no idea what questions, dont want to do that again if possible ;) 20:21 ashimema I can imagine, would scare the crap out of me. 20:22 wizzyrea rangi++ you sound at least twice as coherent as the average radio interviewee 20:22 cait wizzyrea: tell him! 20:23 Brooke wizzyrea++ 20:27 cait hi paul_p 20:27 ashimema I'm gonna get an early night.. see you all tomorrow no doubt #koha 20:27 paul_p hi cait (& others) 20:27 paul_p sweet dreams ashimema 20:27 ashimema_sleeping cheers paul_p 20:28 cait by ashimema_sleeping 20:29 rangi cya ashimema_sleeping 20:29 rangi hi paul_p, i managed to get in a plug for biblibre too 20:30 paul_p rangi ??? plug ? 20:30 cait he mentioned biblibre and the EU trademark in his radio interview 20:30 * cait translates 20:31 pianohacker english -> german -> english -> french 20:35 Brooke right. I'm hungry and have a headache because I didn't eat yet. XD Laters folks 21:07 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:07 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (10:00 PM CET on December 11, 2013). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1036 hPa (Falling). 21:08 cait so quiet tonight 21:08 cait shouldn#t we have a party? :) 21:10 drojf IE7 party? 21:11 cait trademark party :) 21:16 drojf so, given the low numbers that mathieu gave for users of old browsers, the discussion is now if we want that paul a. has to upgrade his old computers for koha? :P 21:17 pianohacker cait: trademark party? 21:17 cait (20:16:57) mtj: Koha™ FTW -> http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/2579603 21:20 wizzyrea ain't no party like an IE7 party cuz an IE7 party don't stop (until windows XP is EOL) 21:21 drojf the xp is safe. for.evar. 21:21 wizzyrea meh, microsoft says it's dangerous. They made it. I trust them, at least to know that. 21:22 drojf just sales tactics ;) 21:23 gmcharlt drojf: embedded in concrete with a Marine guarding it? 21:23 gmcharlt (re safety) 21:23 drojf lol 21:25 wizzyrea the only safe windows xp is the one that is holding open the door. 21:25 jcamins wizzyrea: my digital door is always open thanks to Windows XP! 21:26 wizzyrea hehehehehe 21:29 jcamins What should I have for dinner? 21:29 drojf roasted xp? 21:29 drojf with spicy IE7 sauce 21:29 jcamins drojf: heh. 21:30 jcamins Oh, wait. 21:30 jcamins I have broccoli! 21:30 jcamins Yay! 21:48 eythian I deactivated the previous trademark document URL because we weren't sure it was to be shared. Turns out it is, the new one is at: http://ubuntuone.com/2nhMGB1Pzur3ShLzMlvS3N 21:50 cait thx eythian 22:15 pianohacker woooooooooooooohaa! 22:16 cait pianohacker: that took a while... ;) 22:16 rangi i like how they argue they dont do koha, and assistant commissioner agrees and says yes, thats why you cant register the mark, cos it would cause confusion k thx bai 22:16 pianohacker I read the whole thing (for reasons I don't quite understand) 22:16 rangi hehe 22:17 rangi its actually pretty understandable, for legalese 22:17 pianohacker rangi: indeed! which pages are you referencing, though? 22:18 cait wondered the same 22:18 cait have been reading it too :) 22:19 rangi its in their submitted evidence 22:19 rangi which is referenced in the findings 22:19 rangi 2 secs 22:22 rangi 38.5 and 38.4 22:22 wahanui 76.9 22:22 drojf lol 22:22 rangi thanks wahanui 22:23 rangi and 43 22:25 rangi http://paste.koha-community.org/28 22:25 pianohacker that's excellent 22:28 rangi google translate now has maori as an option 22:29 cait nice! 22:37 wizzyrea eythian++ for troll slapping. 22:49 talljoy-phone marc? 22:49 wahanui The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here. 22:49 talljoy-phone thanks wahanui 22:49 wizzyrea lol. 22:49 talljoy-phone i needz to educate some librarians 22:52 rangi heh 22:52 pianohacker talljoy-phone: there's education and then there's sadism 22:52 talljoy yes, true that. i am fighting windmills ,no? 22:54 talljoy rangi do you have youtube clips of all your tv appearances? 22:54 rangi hehe ive only been on twice 22:54 rangi but no i dont 22:55 rangi i think i could pay tv3 some money 22:55 rangi and they would get it 22:55 rangi but meh 22:55 talljoy mmm ok. cuz i've been on tv never. so you are two up on me! 22:55 rangi it was bad enough doing it, i dont want to to see it 22:55 talljoy you've had your 15 minutes minutes of fame plus some. ;-) 22:55 talljoy how did i type minutes twice? must have been a wormhole in irc 22:56 rangi my best fame thing is this 22:57 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/unsorted/photo 22:57 rangi which was in the papers here in 2006 22:58 talljoy what is that from? 22:58 rangi linux conf 22:59 talljoy ah! 22:59 rangi keynote speakers 22:59 cait :) 22:59 pianohacker yeah, that's one hell of a photo. Who are the two on the left? 22:59 rangi no idea 22:59 rangi some weirdo and some finnish guy 23:00 pianohacker oh haha sorry your left (the right) 23:00 talljoy i was wondering about your pianohacker 23:00 pianohacker You're in NZ, I switched 'em 23:00 rangi jon maddog hall on the right 23:00 talljoy thought maybe you were using a mirror to look at your screen. 23:01 pianohacker like the water in a toilet bowl 23:01 talljoy lol 23:01 talljoy i got nothing to say to that. 23:01 rangi and rusty russell 23:01 talljoy pianohacker i got a question for you. 23:02 rangi (he did most of netfilters/iptables amongst lots of other stuff) 23:02 pianohacker I've got a talljoy for ya 23:02 rangi and maddog is just plain awesome 23:02 pianohacker rangi: So my most and least favorite person? 23:02 talljoy is there a status of "not available" that can be shown on the OPAC for items. withdrawn shows Item Withdrawn Lost shows Lost, not for loan status shows Not for Loan. I'm looking for something that will display "Item not Available" 23:03 rangi pianohacker: its way better than ipchains :) 23:03 talljoy i'm guessing that 'Item Not Available" is not an option for this library. 23:03 rangi hehe i like this spin 23:03 jcamins rangi: but Debian/kFreeBSD offers pf. 23:04 rangi Koha trademark case won by NZ 23:04 pianohacker talljoy: change authorised value description? 23:04 wahanui pianohacker: that doesn't look right 23:04 rangi thats right the whole of NZ won 23:04 cait :) 23:04 pianohacker rangi: victory just as much for the US :) 23:04 cait talljoy: I thinkit might show for reference 23:05 cait if the item is not for loan/ itype not for loan 23:05 cait and then we have on order, but that's it I think for the results list 23:05 cait what are you trying to do? 23:05 cait for the detail page it's easier... you could have a not for loan 'not available' ? 23:06 talljoy a branch had a plumbing issue and all the items need to be "Not Available" 23:06 rangi "Covered in water" 23:07 talljoy but when I put in a description for Not Available on the withdrawn AV and edit the item it still shows 'Item Withdrawn' 23:07 talljoy http://catalog.siskiyou.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=678 23:07 talljoy so clearly the OPAC description field in the AV doesn't display in this case. 23:08 jcamins Is there a reason you don't want to just check mark them checked out to a repair card? I think you can disable showing when the item is due on the details page, and it look right on the results display with no changes. 23:08 jcamins s/check mark/mark/ 23:09 talljoy i thought of that. but i didn't really want to check out 5000 items to one patron, but I could. 23:09 jcamins Tell them not to use the reading history page for that patron. 23:09 talljoy lol 23:10 talljoy 6665 item records to be precise. 23:10 jcamins Tell them to buy one more book. 23:10 talljoy ha 23:10 rangi and pour water on it? 23:10 talljoy it bugs my ocd as well to see that 23:10 talljoy 6666 would be better. 23:10 jcamins rangi: well, I think they'd better, so everything is consistent. 23:13 talljoy if i check out the item the opac shows 'checked out' 23:13 talljoy that's no bueno either 23:13 rangi yay its pizza thursday 23:14 * rangi goes to eat pizza 23:14 talljoy it's potato wednesday here 23:14 talljoy mashed spuds for dinner 23:15 jcamins Potato-pizza? 23:15 talljoy yummy 23:17 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 23:29 mtompset If I add a string which needs to be translatable, it needs to be in the template file, right?