Time Nick Message 01:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug_10781: Remove C4::ILSDI::Utility <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7675ede590936b7f32c665c3d597a9f34122f8ae> / Bug 11290: fix display of patron home page for certain translations <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e1b781adc253722209e46385fb3248ae8d668f9> 01:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #258 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:37 jenkins_koha Starting build #1543 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10688: Don't prefix index inappropriately <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=03f342aa67034a56876b9b45545c607b961587b7> 02:17 wizzyrea hm question, I have a library who wants the 245c to show in the xslt - I'm afraid it might be controversial - if it is controversial, why is it? 02:18 wizzyrea (in the opac, I should say 02:18 wizzyrea like bug 9490, I think) 02:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9490 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, In Discussion , Show responsibility statement (245c) under title and move authors down in OPAC XSLT 02:19 wizzyrea it is included in the staff client xslt 02:24 * dcook hasn't taken a look recently 02:26 mtj anyone know where a log file might be - for a failed 'dpkg -i ./koha-xxx.deb' ? 02:26 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #258: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/258/ 02:27 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11290: fix display of patron home page for certain translations 02:27 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: bug_10781: Remove C4::ILSDI::Utility 02:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11290 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , members-home.pl displays badly if using non english templates and have a utf8 char in categorycode description 02:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #259 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:25 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #259: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/259/ 03:25 jenkins_koha Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10688: Don't prefix index inappropriately 03:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10688 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , QueryParser doesn't recognize QP queries when used in a fielded search box 03:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1543: SUCCESS in 2 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1543/ 03:43 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11290: fix display of patron home page for certain translations 03:43 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: bug_10781: Remove C4::ILSDI::Utility 03:43 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10688: Don't prefix index inappropriately 03:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11290 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , members-home.pl displays badly if using non english templates and have a utf8 char in categorycode description 03:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10688 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , QueryParser doesn't recognize QP queries when used in a fielded search box 03:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8683: ensure clear button clears all item fields on order form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3b28a5d8ad381bbe5b3edce994e0d45ee96f920> 03:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #260 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #1544 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:53 BobB At Administration/Koha to Marc Mapping, does anyone know why biblioitems.publicationyear is not mapped to 260$c ? 03:55 BobB ah, ok, I can answer my own question: biblio.copyrightdate is mapped to 260$c 03:56 BobB thanks BobB 03:56 BobB you're welcome :) 03:59 bag HA 03:59 joels68 BobB: you're always the master of politeness and diplomacy.:) 04:02 BobB joels68, I try 04:04 joels681 Bears 42 points!??! 04:06 joels681 @wunder Chicago IL 04:06 huginn joels681: The current temperature in West Loop - Old St. Pats, Chicago, Illinois is -13.8°C (10:05 PM CST on December 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1026 hPa (Rising). 04:10 joels681 >:o 04:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10661: format mandatory item fields the same on all forms <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dcaa3ff70489adeedb8a7aead364203d633580bc> 04:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10808: (follow-up) reformat auth_finder.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca29e0658c469abff1e54e8630fb989757d02f71> / Bug 10808: make authority search form retain drop-down selections <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=857547c992ea2b548712583d09602eda3787556c> 04:41 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #260: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/260/ 04:41 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 8683: ensure clear button clears all item fields on order form 04:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8683 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Acq: Clear button doesn't clear all item fields 04:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10605: fix encoding issue on basket email (INTRANET) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=62fcbea10a0e7b3fbca74531ec5051704ab63f7c> / Bug 10605: fix encoding issue in basket email (OPAC) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4290fa60ef0fd93f1c0b51485f3b3ec74f316043> 04:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #261 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 04:47 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 04:48 * mtompset grumbles about testing continuing to find one tiny thread of things to tweak. 04:48 mtompset Well, it will be done soon. 05:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11032: Check a valid MARC::Record passed to Biblio <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e0e15485ecae556b77037443af1077291fe3673> 05:39 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #261: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/261/ 05:39 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10661: format mandatory item fields the same on all forms 05:39 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10808: make authority search form retain drop-down selections 05:39 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10808: (follow-up) reformat auth_finder.pl 05:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10605: fix encoding issue in basket email (OPAC) 05:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10605: fix encoding issue on basket email (INTRANET) 05:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10661 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Mandatory item fields should be formatted the same on all forms 05:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10808 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Thesaurus search form does not correspond to current search query 05:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10605 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Problems with translated cart email sent 05:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #262 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 05:46 BobB @wunder Sydney Australia 05:46 huginn BobB: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 29.0°C (4:30 PM EST on December 10, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). 06:07 * dcook looks outside 06:08 dcook But I'm already sunburnt.. 06:08 dcook Next time I see an Aussie putting on sunscreen, I'll know to do the same... 06:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1544: SUCCESS in 2 hr 19 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1544/ 06:10 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 8683: ensure clear button clears all item fields on order form 06:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8683 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Acq: Clear button doesn't clear all item fields 06:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #1545 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 06:36 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #262: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/262/ 06:36 jenkins_koha Colin Campbell: Bug 11032: Check a valid MARC::Record passed to Biblio 06:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Validate passed records in Biblio.pm 06:40 rangi what the heck is a clearance certificate 06:43 dcook Clearance certificate? 06:55 rangi on the main mailing list 06:59 dcook Ah, I'll have to take a look tomorrow 06:59 dcook I'll share your bafflement(?) tomorrow 07:00 rangi :) 07:12 dcook I'm late for French speaking though 07:12 dcook Ta 07:13 mtompset perhaps he means library cards? They expire, right? 07:18 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 07:37 reiveune hello 08:01 alex_a bonjour 08:10 rangi evening all, does anyone have a second to test something for me? 08:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1545: SUCCESS in 2 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1545/ 08:17 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10661: format mandatory item fields the same on all forms 08:17 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10808: make authority search form retain drop-down selections 08:17 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10808: (follow-up) reformat auth_finder.pl 08:17 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10605: fix encoding issue in basket email (OPAC) 08:17 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10605: fix encoding issue on basket email (INTRANET) 08:17 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 11032: Check a valid MARC::Record passed to Biblio 08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10661 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Mandatory item fields should be formatted the same on all forms 08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10808 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Thesaurus search form does not correspond to current search query 08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10605 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Problems with translated cart email sent 08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Validate passed records in Biblio.pm 08:40 gaetan_B hello 08:42 rangi hi gaetan_B 08:42 gaetan_B hi rangi 08:51 mtj evening all 08:51 mtj rangi, did you get your thing tested? 09:06 rangi nope 09:06 rangi http://dashboard.koha-community.org/taskboard# 09:07 rangi if you load that, then tell me, then ill try to toggle the top left one, and it should change on yours too 09:20 mtj rangi, oops, back now... 09:20 cait i clicked on something 09:20 cait was that bad? :) 09:21 mtj hokay, toggle away.. :) 09:21 * cait clicked 10212 09:21 mtj top-left is 8428, for me 09:21 mtj 8438* 09:22 rangi keep watching 09:23 rangi it should toggle 09:23 rangi if that works, now i just need to get it working so you can switch it back off 09:26 mtj yep, worky worky :) 09:27 * mtj just got back from the perlmonger's meet-up... 09:27 mtj got there a bit late 09:29 * mtj waves to gaetan_B and cait 09:30 mtj rangi, toggling looks to be working well 09:35 rangi cool, right going to sleep, ill do the toggle off tomorrow night 09:36 rangi (they time out after a day) 09:38 mtj peace out 09:49 cait and i have to help my dad with ebay... bbl 09:59 kivilahtio has there been any discussion about Koha nd MariaDB? 10:11 mtj kivilahtio, yes - and all positive, afaik :) 10:12 mtj some people switched a while ago to maria, for koha development 10:13 kivilahtio mtj: We have some partners in Mikkeli, looking into Koha as well. They are MAriDB fans 10:14 kivilahtio mtj: So using MariaDB is a no-brainer in Koha, just install MariaDB and configure Koha tu use it as its datasource? 10:14 kivilahtio mtj: backwards compatible and all 10:16 kivilahtio mtj: ping ping! 10:19 mtj yeah, fwiw - i've been using it for production on a small low-use koha, with no problem 10:19 mtj s 10:20 kivilahtio thanks, I'll forward your greetings to Mikkeli Archives :) 10:20 mtj …for 12/18 months 10:20 kivilahtio mtj: So why is MAriaDB better? 10:20 kivilahtio or is the preference strictly political? 10:21 cait kivilahtio: you have to make sure to set some switch i think 10:21 mtj both are valid 10:21 cait so it can deal with our mysqlisms 10:21 cait one of the jenkins servers runs the tests on a mariadb 10:22 cait look for a bug with mariadb in bugzilla - there has been some discussion on it 10:23 kivilahtio cait: thanks 10:24 cait kivilahtio: seeing the bugs about the label printing - yes, there are lots of trnaslations issues there :( would be good to see those fixed 10:24 cait the oo programming style of those files always confusedme 10:25 mtj kivilahtio, i dont really know of any technical advantages of maria, over mysql 10:26 mtj ..re: speed or stability 10:26 kivilahtio it seems to have a pretty cool monitoring suite 10:28 kivilahtio or is it the enterprise maria 10:28 mtj …but, most people realize that any project that depends on mysql, is not very well 'future proofed' :/ 10:29 mtj so, better to start testing with maria now, rather than later 10:29 kivilahtio :) 10:31 kivilahtio I have a feeling that we are just going to take the shortest route to production. We have taken a long enough detour 10:36 cait I think the problem was that it's not sure how long major linux distributions will keep supporting mysql... so having mariadb as a quick replacement option is a good thing 10:38 kivilahtio cait: I understand, we simply cant take up any more work 10:38 cait yeah i think you don't have to immediately 10:39 cait we are running ours on mysql too 10:39 kivilahtio but I gotta go have some lunch, and swim before that! 10:40 kivilahtio we also have a lecture regarding copyrights in libraries 10:40 kivilahtio take care! 10:46 mtj oooh, that sounds interesting ^^ 10:56 paxed cait: it seems to be there are some other places where a text string comes from perl code, and i'm guessing those aren't translatable either. but i'm not going to report until i'm sure (seen it with my own eyes it actually shows up on the UI) 10:56 cait paxed: i thnk nowadays it's mostly the label printing code 10:56 cait but there might be some hiding elsewhere 10:56 cait lots got fixed 10:56 cait and it's easier since the switch to TT than it was with HTP 10:56 cait but yes, everything from the perl code is not translatable 10:56 paxed opac/oai.pl has some, seems like. 10:59 cait yeah might be 10:59 cait rule of thumb: no translatable strings should ever be in perl or js files 11:06 cait never be... 11:11 paxed that would be double negative. 11:21 cait ah 11:21 cait right... i better go :) 11:21 cait hi drojf - bye drojf :) 13:02 francharb good mornig koha 13:17 oleonard Hi #koha 13:28 tcohen morning 13:28 tcohen hi gmcharlt, do u need me to work on your 11096 comments? 13:28 tcohen (haven't had the time to fully read it) 13:38 PabloAB Hi all! 13:38 PabloAB (Hi Tomás) 13:39 PabloAB This one looks easy... but not for me. I want to connect biblio.frameworkcode to a MARC subfield, 942$f (for 'F'ramework) as suggested on http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/deafult-for-biblio-frameworkcode-td5131463.html, to batch import of bib records setting one by default. 13:40 PabloAB But there is a problem: This field is not an option on huge 900s select menu. 13:40 oleonard @wunder 45701 13:40 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is -3.7°C (8:40 AM EST on December 10, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 13:40 PabloAB Is there a simple solution... or should I touch source code/ sql update...? 13:52 PabloAB I add the subfield to default framework and now I can select it, but don't know why it doesn't apply the change. 14:04 PabloAB Sorry, PEBCAK situaton, but even "That will modify all frameworks which is usually what you need, but you have been warned." this doesn't seem to be true. 14:29 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:29 mtompset @seen kf 14:29 huginn mtompset: kf was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <kf> katrinf looks not right somehow 14:29 mtompset @seen cait 14:29 huginn mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <cait> hi drojf - bye drojf :) 14:29 drojf @seen mbalmer 14:29 huginn drojf: mbalmer was last seen in #koha 1 year, 10 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 18 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <mbalmer> I see it a bit different, obviously. 14:30 oleonard He awaits, unseen, for our inevitable decision to reject MySQL once and for all 14:38 drojf oleonard: you may have missed the pg part in gmcharlts email ^^ 14:38 oleonard Oh, did gmcharlt decide that we're removing mysql support? 14:40 * oleonard is still catching up on a week and a half of unread email 14:40 francharb good luck 14:40 francharb ;) 14:41 mtompset oleonard: No, gmcharlt said that we should look into re-engaging with Pg support, given the inclusion of DBIx. 14:41 oleonard That makes sense. But mbalmer didn't want Koha to be DB-agnostic, he wanted it to be Pg-only. 14:42 drojf babysteps :P 14:43 mtompset Ha ha, drojf. :P 14:46 tomas_ hi mtompset 14:46 mtompset Greetings, tomas_ -- tcohen. 14:47 mtompset Given gmcharlt's suggestion of multi-patch bug fixes, kf suggested I split my News by Branch patch. 14:48 jcamins oleonard: I was wondering what you thought of gmcharlt's proposal that we switch to Boostrap 3. 14:48 mtompset Greetings, oleonard jcamins francharb. :) 14:49 oleonard jcamins: gmcharlt sent me an email directly. Did he also send a proposal to the list? 14:49 francharb 0/ mtompset 14:49 jcamins oleonard: yep. 14:51 oleonard jcamins & gmcharlt, the biggest caveat to upgrading Bootstrap is that it drops support for some older browsers--IE7 I think 14:51 drojf OH NO! 14:52 oleonard We haven't had a real discussion about whether that's acceptable. I think drojf is pretty concerned about it :P 14:52 oleonard I think it is acceptable, FWIW 14:59 druthb o/ 15:05 gmcharlt oleonard: ick -- that's a problem 15:06 drojf the future of bootstrap, or the paaast of internet explorer. tough choice. :P 15:06 kivilahtio why are we even mentioning IE7, oh yeah our patrons come from all walks of life 15:06 gmcharlt drojf: more that IE7 is not yet past ;) 15:07 drojf IE7 has been past before it was born :D 15:07 nengard just popping in ... is this something I should put in the manual 15:07 kivilahtio :) 15:07 nengard Bootstrap needs IE8+ 15:07 nengard Or Firefox, Chrome, etc etc 15:07 kivilahtio nengard: good idea. You can write with big cat size letters that install Firefox 15:07 nengard :) 15:07 kivilahtio I wish i could do that 15:07 gmcharlt oleonard: I suppose one question is how does lack of support mean for the user -- as it, would it not work at all, look a little bad, or look a lot bad for IE7 users 15:08 kivilahtio I will totally sneak in a script which makes a popup alert for IE-users to upgrade to a REAL browser :) 15:08 oleonard yeah I don't know the answer to that gmcharlt 15:08 kivilahtio gmcharlt: I think this is a pretty good point 15:08 kivilahtio gmcharlt: I feel like lower service quality is totally acceptable for IE 15:09 kivilahtio gmcharlt: We all would rather do some usefull stuff than work cross-browser issues 15:09 gmcharlt nengard: I think, but please correct me if I'm wrong, that the current version of Boostrap is compatible with IE7, it's the newever version that isn'st 15:09 drojf if it is the current version... we have already solved the problem *hides* 15:10 gmcharlt kivilahtio: I've got to push back on that a bit -- supporting patrons who for whatever reason are stuck with older browsers is not useful at all? I personally wouldn't go that far, at least for the public catalog 15:10 gmcharlt staff interface is different, of coruse 15:13 kivilahtio gmcharlt: well I mean we could let it slip a bit. Ofc basic functionality needs to work 15:13 kivilahtio gmcharlt: But if we get sharp corners or some visual artefacts, I wouldn't be too worried about those 15:13 kivilahtio gmcharlt: on older IE-browsers 15:14 gmcharlt sharp corners? NOOOO! 15:14 gmcharlt :) 15:14 gmcharlt yeah, I agree that it doesn't have to be pixel-perfect across all browsers 15:14 kivilahtio Jquery deals with most js issues for us anyway 15:14 * oleonard had a buddy in 'nam who cut himself on a sharp corner in IE7 and bled out 15:14 kivilahtio :D 15:15 gmcharlt oleonard++ 15:16 kivilahtio but this is for the core service. I already know what sales popup I am going to introduce to our users "Dear patrons, esteemed library users, we live to serve you but today we have a special request for you..." 15:16 oleonard Were there objections to the Bengal Library Association request for listing as a support provider? 15:17 * oleonard doesn't know how long it usually takes to get things on the site 15:17 kivilahtio oleonard: Do we have some requirements for being listed as a support provider= 15:17 gmcharlt kivilahtio: yes 15:17 gmcharlt oleonard: not to my knowledge 15:17 oleonard http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/how-to-get-listed/ 15:18 kivilahtio quite a furnace to go through 15:28 ebegin kivilahtio, you don't have to do it, but you won't be listed :) 15:29 kivilahtio ebegin: I surrender 15:30 ebegin brb 15:31 gmcharlt tcohen: to answer your question, yes 15:31 tcohen heh, i don't remember my words 15:32 tcohen heh 15:32 tcohen sorry, different workstation 15:32 tcohen irc logs? 15:32 wahanui irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 15:32 tcohen ok gmcharlt! 15:32 wahanui gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. 15:34 kivilahtio browser.js uses a minified jquery.cookie.js jquery.cookie.min.js 15:34 kivilahtio problematic 15:34 wahanui hmmm... problematic is being generous. 15:35 oleonard browser.js? 15:35 kivilahtio intranet-tmpl/js/browser.js 15:35 tcohen gmcharlt: i'll try to understand the test cases 15:36 kivilahtio oleonard: I am trying to catch all cookies the browser.js creates when a librarian makes a new search, because they overflow our apache http-request header 15:36 gmcharlt tcohen: the basic idea is to add a MARCXML test record that would be larger than the ISO2709 limit, then in both GRS-1 and DOM modes, just try to retrieve it 15:36 kivilahtio we talked yesterday with jcamins that I could keep only, say 10 searchCookie in browser memory to prevent this 15:37 kivilahtio oleonard: Looks like $.cookie() doesnt return all cookies like it should according to the api, now I realized Koha uses the minified version and am about to test if it is the culprit 15:37 gmcharlt kivilahtio: there is a failed QA patch to store search history in the session rather than in a cookie; if you want to work on improving the patch (mostly by adjusting unit tests related to it), that would be one approach 15:37 jcamins gmcharlt: that's something else. 15:37 jcamins This is the client-side cursor. 15:37 kivilahtio gmcharlt: that patch is for the search histroy for the OPAC 15:37 kivilahtio yup 15:37 gmcharlt jcamins: kivilahtio: ah, thanks for clarifying 15:38 gmcharlt (and dang, here I was hoping to talk kivilahtio into look at that one!) ;) 15:38 jcamins kivilahtio: I don't see any reason you couldn't use the regular cookie API. The only reason I used jquery.cookie was that we already did. 15:41 kivilahtio jcamins: there is a regular cookie api? 15:43 kivilahtio jcamins: What do you mean with regular cookie API, I understood jQuery core has cookie function? 15:43 kivilahtio jcamins: or jquery.cookie.js plugin against jquery.cookie.min.js? 15:45 gmcharlt @later tell rangi I bounced the dashboard; it had lost its MySQL connection 15:45 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 15:45 jcamins kivilahtio: I mean non-jQuery. 15:45 jcamins I presume there is such a thing. 15:45 kivilahtio jcamins: ok, I saw some code and it looks non-crossbrowser compatible 15:45 kivilahtio javascript without jQuery makes me cry 15:45 jcamins And for the staff client we're requiring a modern browser, so we probably don't need IE shims, which I presume is the reason for jQuery. 16:00 kivilahtio jcamins: Handling cookies using native cookie tools is pretty awkward. Better way for application developer is to replace the jQuery plugin. 16:01 kivilahtio jcamins: Or do we have wrapper functions for native cookie handling somewhere around Koha? 16:02 kivilahtio I guess I just have to replace jqueru.cookie.min.js with jquery.cookie.js through the Maketoolchain to make the transition? 16:04 kivilahtio MakeMaker, phew, I guess its another thing to learn 16:05 jcamins kivilahtio: I think perhaps the solution would be to fix jQuery.cookie.js and submit the change upstream? 16:05 jcamins Why add complexity? 16:06 kivilahtio jcamins: problem is that currently we use jquery.cookie.min.js, when I need jquery.cookie.js (the full version) 16:07 kivilahtio jcamins: but my error actually is "TypeError: b is undefined" when calling $.cookie(); 16:07 jcamins kivilahtio: jquery.cookie.min.js and jquery.cookie.js should behave identically. 16:07 jcamins .min means "minified." 16:08 kivilahtio Ah sans documentation and whitespace 16:08 jcamins Yes. 16:08 kivilahtio hmm, maybe Koha uses a older version 16:08 jcamins If you downloaded a new version and it worked, that means we're probably using an older, buggy version. 16:09 kivilahtio I wonder how do I fix that 16:09 oleonard "we need to issue clearance certificates to the patrons whose batch is going to pass out" ?? 16:10 jcamins kivilahtio: update to a newer version? 16:10 kivilahtio jcamins: yes 16:10 kivilahtio I guess it needs to be done for hte Koha master 16:10 kivilahtio or prolly it wont be me who makes the update :) 16:11 drojf oleonard: that was my reaction 16:12 kivilahtio wow we are using v.1.4.0 where newest is 2.2 16:12 oleonard No wonder those cookies taste so bad 16:12 drojf lol 16:14 reiveune bye 16:19 oleonard [off] Breaking news: People who like running old versions of Koha object to Koha telling them they're running old versions 16:19 kivilahtio :) 16:19 kivilahtio IRL= 16:19 kivilahtio IRL? 16:19 wahanui somebody said IRL was calling 16:21 kivilahtio Ok oddly the jquery.cookie.js minification process broke the script-file, when ran using full minification, with normal minification I now have a working plugin-file. But the version from the official site is the same as we currently use. 16:21 barton oleonard: "we need to issue clearance certificates to the patrons who are going to pass out". 16:22 oleonard No fainting in the library without expressed permission of the administration 16:42 kivilahtio So who is responsible for updating the jquery.cookis.js -plugin? Can I update it inside the git patch? or is there a more centralized way of doing these updates? The plugin needs to be updated, but it breaks the existing search"cursor"-functionality, until a patch can be applied 16:43 oleonard If you want it to be updated you submit a patch which updates it 16:44 kivilahtio thanks! 16:44 mtompset barton: oleonard: -- As I guessed last night, I think the person means expiring patron cards. 16:44 jcamins And the second patch in your patchset should fix existing functionality. 16:44 kivilahtio jcamins: ok, will do! 16:46 KohaCanuck Hi all - I have what I think may be a common issue but I can't seem to fix it - I copied a Koha system over from a production environment to a test server and the catalog search returns no results found. I have rebuilt the indexes with rebuild_zebra.pl script to no avail - are there any logs or command line tools to help diagnose where the issue may be? 16:47 jcamins KohaCanuck: dollars to donuts it's a permissions problem. 16:47 jcamins faq? 16:47 wahanui faq is, like, found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 16:47 jcamins searching faq? 16:47 wahanui searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 16:47 jcamins Huh. No direct link. 16:47 jcamins The last question has the troubleshooting steps. 16:48 KohaCanuck I've checked the faq and ran the zebra_rebuild.pl stuff but no errors and no fix - I'm guessing permissions too but cant seem to find info on quickly checking/setting these 16:49 jcamins Okay, good, that's always the first stop. 16:49 jcamins You're using packages, right? 16:50 KohaCanuck yep - on debian 16:50 KohaCanuck used the koha-dump/koha-restore to move the db 16:50 jcamins When you used rebuild_zebra.pl it would have changed the owner to root or your current user. 16:52 jcamins `sudo chown -R koha_${yourinstancename}:koha_${yourinstancename} /var/lib/koha/${yourinstancename}` followed by `sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f ${yourinstancename}` and finally `sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart` 16:52 jcamins Wait, no. 16:52 jcamins ${yourinstancename}-koha 16:52 jcamins Sorry, I always get that mixed up. 16:55 KohaCanuck At one point I ran the rebuild as root but reverted back to the koha user - it originally had an issue with perms on the conf.xml file which I fixed not I get no errors and it counts the correct number of records during rebuild 16:55 jcamins Yeah, the problem is that Zebra's not able to read your indexes. 16:56 jcamins Most likely. 16:56 jcamins Not guaranteed, but that's what usually happens. 16:56 KohaCanuck where do they live typically? 16:56 jcamins /var/lib/koha/${yourinstancename} 16:56 jcamins Those commands up there were for you. Sorry. Should have said that. 16:57 KohaCanuck I'll take a look some more and may be back shortly - many thanks :) 17:06 kivilahtio wow, informative :) 18:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #33 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #33: SUCCESS in 22 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.12.x/33/ 18:19 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add z targets 18:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #72 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #72: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/72/ 18:21 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add z targets 18:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #407 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #407: SUCCESS in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/407/ 18:24 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add z targets 18:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11112: (follow-up) add FIXME <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aca1f5f6a9c5fb58e62ab060c272eadc287bb167> / Bug 11112: (follow-up) repair Koha::Calendar->add_holiday() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=08c47cbfe2517ef36b15a16a94227b854be5eeb9> / Bug 11112: Koha::Calendar needs some caching <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a98b23 18:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #144 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #263 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #1546 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #144: SUCCESS in 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/144/ 19:10 tcohen hi rangi 19:13 jcamins Speaking from my experience as RM once, rangi is absolutely right. 19:14 tcohen bye #koah 19:14 tcohen #koha 19:17 rangi morning 19:18 rangi gmcharlt: thanks .. hmm yeah ive borked something there 19:21 * cait waves 19:21 druthb hi, cait! 19:21 cait hi druthb :) 19:22 rangi hi cait 19:22 cait hi rangi :) 19:24 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #263: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/263/ 19:24 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11112: Koha::Calendar needs some caching 19:24 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11112: (follow-up) repair Koha::Calendar->add_holiday() 19:24 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11112: (follow-up) add FIXME 19:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11112 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Koha::Calendar->new loads all holidays 19:45 rangi http://dashboard.koha-community.org/taskboard# 19:46 rangi do you think i should make it so you can put a little name or something? ie who claimed it? 19:47 gmcharlt rangi: separate from one's BZ login? 19:47 rangi yeah 19:47 gmcharlt and does a claim update anything in BZ, or are claims only known to the taskboard? 19:48 rangi only known to the taskboard 19:48 rangi (only known to a little sqlite db in the back :)) 19:48 rangi cos yeah, i didnt want to have to do logins 19:49 cait i think if you could add a quick note / nick it would be a nice feature 19:49 rangi probably a way to get to the bug too :) 19:49 cait ah no link yet? 19:49 gmcharlt heh 19:49 cait and hello :) 19:49 oleonard Looks great rangi 19:50 oleonard How is it sorted? 19:50 cait yep it does :) 19:50 rangi date 19:50 rangi oldest first 19:51 francharb rangi++ 19:52 oleonard I don't understand how it works though. What should happen when I click something? 19:52 francharb rangi, I like your strategy. Once you claimed a BZ, one cant unclaimed it 19:52 francharb perfect 19:52 francharb ;) 19:52 rangi it times out ;) 19:52 rangi but yeah i need an unclaim too 19:53 rangi oleonard: basically it should be marked claimed, with the time you claimed it, which lets me/others know (the taskboard updates every 10 seconds) 19:53 rangi to pick another one to sign off 19:56 rangi i dunno if its even a good idea, but figured it would help me on GBSD type things 19:57 rangi i could make the link claim it, then open the bug in new tab 19:57 rangi would that be more useful? 19:57 gmcharlt rangi: GBSD and hackfests are the main uses I see for at the moment without deeper integration with BZ 19:57 rangi *nod* 19:59 gaetan_B bye!* 20:00 cait rangi - sounds good to me 20:00 cait unclaiming would be good, when you see you don't know what to do with something 20:00 cait like it requires something you don't know about 20:04 rangi yeah 20:04 rangi ill work on that tonight, if i get time 20:06 * cait hopes she makes sense 20:06 cait and also rangi++ 20:09 rangi right, zeroed the taskboard for now 20:09 rangi gonna spend 20 mins on the karma thing, and then back to work on elasticsearch 20:10 oleonard rangi++ 20:19 bag rangi: I forget did you say that the taskboard is repeatable for QA's and then one for the RM too? 20:20 bag but it's pretty cool - should be very helpful 20:20 rangi it will be, not yet 20:21 rangi the qa one will be show who signed off, and who wrote patch 20:21 rangi so that you can see at a glance oh i can qa that 20:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11009: (follow-up) tweak wording and remove potential log noise <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d92dbae6814fd2dfc36f7f46194f02a9c27994fa> / Bug 11009: Do not display circulation history of anonymous patron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2ad1faa63988b9dbf32cf8f8e35d59e7b584f2b> 20:30 oleonard Got IE7 up and running in a VM, and getboostrap.com looks horrible in it. They're not kidding when they say IE7 is not supported. 20:30 rangi xp is EOL 20:30 rangi in i think march 20:31 rambutan april 20:31 rangi http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx 20:31 rangi i saw, if they arent gonna support IE7 20:31 rangi we dont need to 20:31 rangi say even 20:32 wizzyrea i have to agree here 20:32 wizzyrea xp is EOL 20:33 wizzyrea any changes we make to bootstrap won't be out before xp goes EOL - websites breaking is a good motivator for people to gtfo of XP 20:33 oleonard It actually looks fine in FF 3.6.x 20:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #264 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:34 oleonard Feel free to share your opinions in the email thread where I invite people to share their opinions ;) 20:34 gmcharlt oleonard: modern IE with browser mode set to IE7 and documents mode set to IE7 standards looks aweful as well 20:34 gmcharlt er, 20:34 gmcharlt awful 20:34 wizzyrea awefully awful. 20:34 rangi i feel like ive been sharing too many opinions lately :) ill let someone else do it 20:35 * wizzyrea is actually more concerned with IE8 - but I think it said graceful degrade for that 20:35 oleonard My library's web site also looks awful in IE7 but I haven't gotten any complaints about it 20:35 wizzyrea i'll have to look again. 20:36 wizzyrea ie7 is what, 9 years old? 20:36 gmcharlt 3.33% for November according to w3counter 20:37 * wizzyrea whispers "give it the axe..." 20:37 gmcharlt and FF 3 doesn't make the top 10 20:37 wizzyrea i can't wait until xp is EOL and properly (mostly) gone. 20:38 gmcharlt for windows, though, it was pretty reasonable 20:38 wizzyrea ssl will work nicely for named hosts, ie7 will be officially gone, ie8 in it's death throes 20:38 wizzyrea xp was ok back in the day. 20:38 gmcharlt yeah, SNI is a biggie 20:38 wizzyrea big improvement over 98 20:40 oleonard 82 visits to our site last month from IE7, out of 13,945 total. 20:40 oleonard We got twice as many from "Amazon Silk" :) 20:40 wizzyrea O.o 20:42 gmcharlt heh 20:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1546: SUCCESS in 2 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1546/ 20:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11112: Koha::Calendar needs some caching 20:42 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11112: (follow-up) repair Koha::Calendar->add_holiday() 20:42 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11112: (follow-up) add FIXME 20:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11112 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Koha::Calendar->new loads all holidays 20:44 oleonard We got almost as many visits from this device as we did from IE7: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3723&c=pantech_marauder_adr910l_pantech_star_q 20:45 oleonard The list of mobile devices Google Analytics recorded for the past month is pretty mind-boggling 20:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1547 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:00 cait that's still more than i woudl have expected 21:04 wizzyrea i personally feel it's irresponsible to support IE7 for passing any kind of personal data around. 21:06 jcamins I guess the counter-argument is "but given that libraries aren't going to be a deciding factor in a person's computer use, do we really want to disenfranchise those who can't afford to upgrade their computer? 21:06 jcamins *" 21:06 jcamins That said, I am at best indifferent to support IE7. 21:06 jcamins *for 21:07 jcamins I thought Boostrap 3 was dropping support for IE8, which I still see used. 21:07 wizzyrea i counter that people who use IE7 already see an impossibly broken web. 21:08 gmcharlt jcamins: looks like IE8 is still supported provided that Respond.js (https://github.com/scottjehl/Respond) is used as well 21:08 rambutan anybody have a good bs demo site up anywhere? I'd like to check some of the other browsers like Konqueror. 21:09 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, during the pre-3 ramp-up, they were saying it wouldn't be. 21:09 wizzyrea responsive.mykoha.co.nz 21:11 rambutan looks fine in Konqueror 4.7.2, as I would expect really. 21:12 rambutan I'll see what happens with Tor tonight at home. 21:19 eythian hi 21:22 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #264: SUCCESS in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/264/ 21:22 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11009: Do not display circulation history of anonymous patron 21:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11009: (follow-up) tweak wording and remove potential log noise 21:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11009 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Do not allow reading records of anonymous patron 21:27 rangi i wonder if i should start up my streaming radio thingy again 21:34 rambutan rangi listens to music that isn't classic rock. 21:36 rangi it's true 21:36 wahanui I saw it on Digg! 21:36 rangi http://grooveshark.com/#!/ranginui/broadcast 21:38 eythian http://youtu.be/PaEnaoydUUo <-- it's really just this on a loop 21:39 wizzyrea yay radio! 21:40 eythian http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook-help/print-emails-showing-names-on-the-bcc-line-HA102919777.aspx <-- best advice ever 21:41 * cait can't listen to grooveshark - not working from germany 21:41 cait :( 21:41 eythian GEMA hates you 21:43 cait hmpf. 21:43 eythian it's not personal, they hate everyone. 21:44 cait probably 22:02 francharb I'm looking for a library that use book drops 22:03 francharb During check ins, if the librarian check "dropbox mode" 22:03 * wizzyrea points towards most publics 22:03 francharb isn't weird 22:04 francharb that the dropbox feature use the current time to set up the return date 22:04 francharb I mean 22:04 francharb f I check now, the return date will be exactly now - 24h 22:05 francharb when the library was actually open... 22:05 francharb I'm not sure if mentionning the hours is relevent 22:05 jcamins francharb: I think there's a bug about making the library actually respect opening hours. 22:06 jcamins calendar, rather. 22:06 wizzyrea the idea of the dropbox is to favor the borrower who might have had a book go overdue, but the book was in the drop box when it went overdue 22:07 rangi khall_away: http://paste.koha-community.org/26 22:07 rangi when you arent away :) 22:07 rangi this is patches in 3.14 22:07 rangi top number is patches, number underneath is sign offs 22:08 gmcharlt rangi: as of when? 22:08 gmcharlt or rather, what range of commits? 22:08 wizzyrea It used to be that it was simply a date back - with time, I think it's a little more wobbly. 22:08 rangi 3.12 .. 3.14 22:09 francharb wizzyrea, exactly 22:09 rangi git log -p -M v3.12.00..v3.14.00 22:09 francharb :) 22:09 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, that timey wimey stuff... 22:09 francharb but in the end, the patron in not penalized 22:10 wizzyrea but - I'm not sure that the *time* matters so much? 22:10 francharb so it's ok 22:10 wizzyrea yea, that's what I was about to say 22:10 wizzyrea I suppose it only matters if you REALLY care about the specific time it was returned, but if you're using the dropbox you're not going to know anyway 22:11 wizzyrea unless you've got RFID in your dropbox, in which case you won't be using dropbox mode anyway 22:11 francharb I'm trying hard to figure out if it cound be useful for hourly loan 22:11 francharb but I dont think so 22:12 wizzyrea well you can't do an hourly loan that takes you outside of library hours, right? 22:12 gmcharlt wizzyrea: in theory such a loan could convert to overnight 22:13 gmcharlt or at least, that's within the bounds of library policies I've heard of 22:13 francharb wizzyrea, right 22:13 rangi whoops mistake 22:13 wizzyrea true, I'm not sure it does that 22:13 rangi http://paste.koha-community.org/27 22:13 jcamins wizzyrea: you could have a 72 hour loan. 22:13 rangi khall_away: http://paste.koha-community.org/27 is a better one 22:13 wizzyrea why wouldn't you do it by days? 22:14 wizzyrea @quote get 123 22:14 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 22:14 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 22:15 wizzyrea top is sent, bottom is signed off? 22:15 rangi thats right 22:15 wizzyrea cool 22:15 rangi well top is patches included 22:15 rangi sent might be more 22:15 gmcharlt authored 22:15 rangi yeah 22:15 gmcharlt or authored-and-pushed 22:15 rangi authored and pushed 22:16 wizzyrea bottom is signed off and pushed 22:16 wizzyrea got it. 22:16 wizzyrea rangi++ that's really interesting. 22:21 eythian http://tip4commit.com/ <-- we could encourage some commits :) 22:21 mtj awesome stats, rangi++ 22:25 francharb have a good morning, day, afternoon, night! 22:25 francharb bye 22:26 * cait thnks someone should sign off her waiting patches... ;) 22:27 wizzyrea <3 22:27 gmcharlt eythian: coding and financial speculation, in one package! ;) 22:27 eythian gmcharlt: exactly :) 22:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #408 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #408: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/408/ 22:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update inventory 22:41 mtompset What is (unknown)? Everyone else? 22:41 rangi yep 22:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1547: SUCCESS in 2 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1547/ 22:49 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11009: Do not display circulation history of anonymous patron 22:49 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11009: (follow-up) tweak wording and remove potential log noise 22:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11009 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Do not allow reading records of anonymous patron 22:50 wizzyrea wow that's weird. I have a record where the MARC is stored in japanese kanji(?) but the marcxml is all sorts of messedup. 22:50 wizzyrea htf does that even happen. 22:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #409 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #409: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/409/ 22:51 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update suggestions images 22:51 bag gremlins wizzyrea 22:51 wizzyrea it seems to happen routinely on japanese and chinese records. 22:51 wizzyrea in this particular db. 22:51 wizzyrea accented characters are stored correctly, but displayed incorrectly. 22:51 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I WANT THAT RECORD 22:51 wizzyrea yea? 22:51 gmcharlt (oops) 22:52 gmcharlt :) 22:52 cait1 collector of weird marc records? :) 22:52 gmcharlt cait1: indeed. maybe in 100 years they'll be worth somethign ;) 22:52 cait1 :) 22:59 cait1 good night all! 23:54 dcook Do folks remember a bug where check in was debarring patrons even when items were returned on time? 23:55 dcook I think it's related to finesdays/Suspend in Days and it's been fixed but I'm not noticing it in Bugzilla..