Time Nick Message 23:17 jcamins (before I've seen it) 23:17 jcamins You have another hour. 23:17 jcamins I have not seen it. 23:16 mtompset Or has someone still not seen it? 23:16 mtompset Can I give spoiler type comments? 23:15 mtompset Sort of. It's Peter Davidson, Slyvester McCoy and Colin Baker trying to sneak into the 50th anniversary special. 23:09 dcook Minisode? 23:08 jcamins mtompset: actually, I already saw that. 23:07 mtompset And interesting follow up to watch after the Day of the Doctor. :) 23:06 mtompset http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01m3kfy 23:05 jcamins mtompset: yep. 23:05 mtompset Day of the Doctor, jcamins? 22:59 cait gnight all 22:59 cait ok, time for sleep :) 22:59 cait new apache version... 22:59 cait yeah 22:59 dcook That's no fun, cait :( 22:58 cait took me forever to figure out what was wrong this time. grr. 22:58 cait # 22:58 cait apache-- 22:56 eythian no, the cake actually was there. 22:55 rangi and the cake is a lie 22:55 jcamins eythian: NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:55 eythian jcamins: also, Rosebud is a sled. 22:55 eythian jcamins: it turns out that Darth Vader is Luke's father. 22:54 * dac is glad that he didn't already post spoilers 22:53 jcamins In 1:12 minutes or so you may talk about what happens. 22:53 jcamins Doctor Who time. 22:38 papa hello indeed 22:38 eythian hello papa 22:35 dan thanks for your help, save some code modify time 22:34 dan just asking for the best known way to solve this. I'm not afraid to find out :) 22:32 rangi one way to find out :) try it on your staging/test server :) 22:31 dan issuingrules.maxissueqty = 0 could work, couldn't? 22:29 dan the muffins idea sounds tempting to enforce 22:26 wizzyrea tee hee 22:26 rangi i suspect that would cut it down pretty fast :-) 22:26 rangi or read the logs, find out the staff member who issued stuff from the wrong branch, print their name out on the noticeboard and make them buy muffins for everyone 22:25 rangi you could edit the circ rules then 22:24 dan rangi: in some seasons, some branches are closed to public, whence they cannot issue any material 22:24 wizzyrea but do at others? 22:24 wizzyrea like a class of items that don't issue at a branch? 22:23 wizzyrea how do you mean "block issues" 22:19 wahanui cait: I forgot use case 22:19 cait wahanui forget use case 22:19 wahanui i think the use case is to track the usage of catalogued electronic items 22:19 rangi whats the use case? 22:19 rangi dont think so 22:17 dan in the recent version of koha, is there a "block issues for this branch" feature? 22:13 cait :( 22:13 rangi past 22:13 rangi someone broke that at some point in the pst 22:13 rangi you could transfer to it ,or mark items in it, but it wouldnt show up in the lists for you to pick to circulate from 22:12 rangi if you had a branch like 'mending room' or whatever 22:12 rangi and it used to be used 22:12 rangi can you circulate from that branch or not 22:12 rangi it was a boolean 22:12 cait dan: I don't know, sorry 22:11 dan I've found same question from nengard 2 years ago, but no answers 22:10 dan hi people, just a question: what was the unused branches.issuing field for? 21:45 cait :) 21:44 magnuse wishes #koha in guten nacht 21:41 wizzyrea ty 21:39 cait 11282 21:39 wizzyrea sure 21:38 wahanui it has been said that the bug number is wrong in the subject. 21:38 wizzyrea oh what's the bug number? 21:38 cait and maybe if you can reproduce 11295? i was wondering if i just missed something 21:38 wizzyrea yep 21:37 cait wizzyrea: could i talk you into testing the restriction from khall_away? :) 21:37 wizzyrea I haven't :P 21:36 joels68 Well, who hasn't seen the Dark World yet, besides me? 21:34 wizzyrea yep 21:31 joels68 It must've really brought the suckers to life.;-) 21:29 joels68 Was it in a theater? I saw you tweeted a pic of a ticket. 21:29 * wizzyrea saw it in 3D ;P 21:27 druthb jcamins: I'm as in the dark as you are. But I don't plan to watch it, not being a Whovian. 21:26 druthb :P 21:26 druthb yes, please, wizzyrea. I'm closer to him, and the explosion…could be epic. 21:26 wizzyrea any more* with spaces, because that's proper. 21:26 jcamins :) 21:25 * wizzyrea won't say anymore, in deference to jcamins ;) 21:25 jcamins Nnnnggggg!!!!! 21:24 wizzyrea *shrug* also apparently personally a douche. Not participating was his decision. 21:21 joels68 I wish Eccleston had been involved. He was a more ass-kicking doctor. 21:20 jcamins Maybe we'll watch it tonight. 21:20 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on November 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 21:20 rangi @weather nzwn 21:20 joels68 What's your excuse? It's been 2 days. 21:19 jcamins joels68: noooooo!!!! I haven't seen it yet!!!! 21:18 joels68 The situation with the humans and the purple sucker people wasn't resolved, was it? 21:16 wahanui kai ora, eythian 21:16 eythian hi 21:14 * wizzyrea was not 21:13 joels68 Anybody else disappointed by Day of the Doctor? 21:09 cait no guarantees for nothing 21:09 * cait is working on writing comments on bugs... i am on a sugar high 21:06 magnuse we should see a boost in productivity now :-) 21:03 cait ehe 21:02 wizzyrea clearly there wasn't enough sugar here. 21:01 * wizzyrea contributes chocolate fish and ginger slices 21:01 * cait adds some kinderriegel 20:58 * magnuse shares a big box of Lübecker edel-Marzipan with #koha 20:54 * mtompset puts on his chauffeurs hat. 20:54 mtompset I'll comment more when I get back. 20:52 mtompset I'm thinking paying attention to the second parameter may fix the issue best. 20:52 cait well without understanding what it does, it's hard to tell :) 20:52 mtompset of course, that still doesn't answer my question as to how it should be fixed. 20:51 magnuse mtompset++ :-) 20:50 mtompset There, added clear steps to replicate problem. 20:45 mtompset And dd/mm/yyyy -- unseen is... oooo... kaboom! 20:44 mtompset mm/dd/yyyy -- unseen visible. yyyy-mm-dd -- unseen blank 20:42 mtompset Well, I'll be... It is a visible problem. Let me recheck that. 20:38 mtompset Let me see if I can figure out which things I clicked to finally get the stupid thing not to run and run and die. 20:36 mtompset It's screaming ISO, ISO behind the scenes, but uses the preference in the output, which is likely expected by the user. 20:36 mtompset It's one of those non-visible bugs, I believe. 20:35 wahanui mtompset: that doesn't look right 20:35 mtompset change the date format and run the inventory. 20:35 mtompset which I assume is also iso. 20:35 mtompset I believe the default format for dateformat is YMD, right? 20:34 cait sorry 20:34 cait mtompset: actually i still have on idea how this bug shows 20:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11253 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, NEW , tools/inventory.pl output_pref ignores 'iso' parameter passed 20:34 mtompset And, cait, I was wondering if my reply on bug 11253 made sense. 20:32 wizzyrea oh cool! I have general catching up to do - but once I'm done with that work about doing work, I will have a look. 20:30 mtompset If you'd like to test it. Go crazy. :) 20:30 mtompset I did put up a test plan. The patch is there, but I didn't put much of a description in the patch. 20:30 wizzyrea yes, i sure do. 20:30 mtompset Remember the news by branch bug? 20:29 wizzyrea I'm the long lost 13. 20:29 wizzyrea mmmmm 20:29 wizzyrea ? 20:29 wahanui mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry. 20:29 wizzyrea yes mtompset 20:29 mtompset Which #? 20:29 * wizzyrea is totally a cylon. 20:29 wizzyrea :) 20:29 wizzyrea well at least you have your priorities straight : 20:29 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans 20:29 mtompset Hey, wizzyrea. 20:29 wizzyrea hehe 20:27 cait sorry phone call brb 20:22 markvandenborre ... over an ssh connection 20:22 markvandenborre that I can administer while having breakfast in my underwear :) 20:21 markvandenborre that I can run from a Debian machine 20:21 markvandenborre and I just want something clean, platform agnostic 20:21 magnuse hehe, sounds like fun :-) 20:21 markvandenborre needless to say this doesn't work 20:21 markvandenborre each manually "synced" by usb stick (!) from a central iTunes "repository" 20:20 markvandenborre with about 30 workstations throughout the building 20:20 markvandenborre I inherited a "setup" 20:20 markvandenborre through the intranet 20:20 markvandenborre mainly made available to the teachers 20:19 markvandenborre all centralised into one small library 20:19 markvandenborre in an institution with only a few thousand students 20:19 markvandenborre we're only talking about <10000 books of sheet music 20:19 markvandenborre I think our needs are fairly simple 20:19 wizzyrea such as, permissions. 20:18 wizzyrea if you require extra functionality beyond simply displaying the metadata and linking to the pdf's, then you'll probably want a repository 20:18 magnuse it also depends on who should have access to the files 20:18 wizzyrea you can put them on a web server, just make sure that isn't your only copy 20:18 magnuse dspace and eprints are alternatives mostly geared towards scientific publications 20:18 wizzyrea just depends on how much of a solution you want. 20:17 cait i would search for repository software open source or ´something i guess 20:17 magnuse it = the files 20:17 cait hm i think i have heard of... fedora and dspace maybe? 20:17 magnuse just putting it on a web server as static files should work - depending on your workflow 20:17 markvandenborre quite to the contrary, I appreciate your help! 20:17 markvandenborre search term, wizzyrea 20:16 markvandenborre it's hard to search the web with such generic 20:16 wizzyrea sorry we sound doomy and gloomy - I think what you're doing is really cool 20:16 wizzyrea there are several open source repository solutions 20:16 markvandenborre so what do people use in general for actual storage? 20:15 wizzyrea or that you're keeping copies elsewhere. 20:15 wizzyrea just for safety. 20:15 wizzyrea right - make sure though, that you're not keeping the originals there. 20:15 markvandenborre ok 20:15 cait so when you search for something people can cklick on it 20:15 cait and you could add that url to your records in koha 20:15 markvandenborre that's the way to understand it, right? 20:15 markvandenborre in a minimalist way, just a static dir served from your webserver 20:14 markvandenborre one would still need a separate storage place for all the static files 20:14 markvandenborre ok 20:14 cait it's not made to be a repository 20:13 cait hm not sure i expressed it correctly 20:13 markvandenborre I did understand you correctly, did I? 20:13 markvandenborre cait: but it's interesting that you say that koha has no storage for actual data.... 20:13 wizzyrea or map it to rdf. 20:12 markvandenborre like musescore, sibelius, finale 20:12 rambutan not familiar with that, but maybe somebody has already invented it. :) 20:12 markvandenborre and that is well supported by the most recent versions of most sheet music notation software 20:12 cait rambutan: but no idea what it might be called :) 20:12 markvandenborre rambutan: the closest you can get is musicxml 20:12 cait hm i think there is 20:12 magnuse nah, just map it all to RDF :-) 20:11 rambutan yea, but my <very unstructured> thought was that there should be a file format for sheet music which actually displays in human readable form, but also recognizes all the notes, etc. 20:11 wizzyrea certainly the ability to handle other formats of incoming data would be a welcome addition 20:11 markvandenborre cool 20:11 wizzyrea basically, whatever metadata you have, if you can map it to marc, you can import it into koha 20:11 cait you can currently not upload that into koha directly i think - normally you'd catalog a link to the pdf and store it somewhere else on a webserver 20:10 markvandenborre cait: need to read up on that 20:10 markvandenborre I'm talking pdf scans of the physical sheet music in our library 20:10 cait it's made for metadata, not so much for actual data 20:10 cait markvandenborre: you can only import marc21/unimarc/normarc data into Koha 20:10 markvandenborre rambutan: I'm not talking interactive sheet music 20:10 wizzyrea if you can map it to marc, it can be imported 20:09 markvandenborre so importing those should be fairly easy I guess 20:09 rambutan idle thought, but it seems like there should be a standard file format for sheet music 20:09 markvandenborre as far as I can see, most of these have embedded id3v2 tags 20:09 markvandenborre s 20:09 markvandenborre and about 100 Gb of mostly mp3 media file 20:08 markvandenborre let's hope (not looked closely) that this would enable some kind of batch import 20:08 markvandenborre pdf documents with some metadata in an iTuens xml file 20:08 wizzyrea yep, it would work well for that 20:08 markvandenborre we have mainly a catalog of sheet music in an existing iTunes library (yuck, heritage, don't ask) 20:07 markvandenborre I wonder if koha would be a good match for the small library of a music education institution 20:02 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 5.4°C (2:02 PM CST on November 25, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling). 20:02 rambutan @wunder 64507 20:01 huginn yhager: The current temperature in Castlegar, British Columbia is -1.0°C (11:00 AM PST on November 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Falling). 20:01 yhager @wunder v0g2c0 19:59 rambutan it's really quick 19:59 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 4.1°C (2:49 PM EST on November 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 19:59 oleonard @wunder 45701 19:58 oleonard rambutan: No I haven't 19:58 rambutan let's you open comms sockets using javascript 19:58 yhager oleonard: Okay, I'll file it. When I get some time, maybe the community here would indulge me for some questions on how to implement that.. I'm not familiar with the Koha codebase except for some tracing I did here and there.. (to understand how enrollment periods work etc) 19:58 rambutan oleonard: ever looked at socket.io? Not sure it's something Koha could use, but we're using it for another project, and it's pretty cool. 19:58 cait :) 19:57 cait not sure :) 19:57 magnuse we went to the zoo on saturday, leonard thought that was really good. so good he fell asleep after a couple hours... 19:57 cait heh 19:57 magnuse it would probably be quicker to visit me via planes in bodø... 19:56 cait at home in Konstanz - which is ... like 9-10 hours on a train away from magnuse 19:56 oleonard So where are you cait? 19:56 magnuse and they are liking it a lot 19:56 magnuse yeah, the apartment is good 19:56 cait hm? 19:55 magnuse köln, perhaps? :-) 19:55 cait so the conf is good? how is the apartment? is the family liking it? 19:55 cait yeah but not in hamburg :) 19:55 magnuse yup! 19:55 cait but we have tomake sure to meet again next year! 19:55 magnuse :-) 19:55 magnuse well, you are in germany too? 19:55 cait it's ok :) 19:55 magnuse :-( 19:55 cait magnuse is in germany... and i am not there *sniff* 19:55 magnuse good! 19:54 cait magnuse: how is it??? 19:54 * cait waves back in gemran at magnuse 19:54 oleonard File an enhancement bug if you want to. Without funding or someone to work on it enhancement bugs don't usually go anywhere. 19:54 * magnuse waves in german 19:53 yhager oleonard: thx. Should I submit it as a suggestion? I'm a coder, but not a perl one.. if it's an easy one maybe I can try.. 19:53 oleonard Actually I'm surprised we don't already have it 19:52 oleonard I think it would be a useful feature yhager 19:52 yhager Yes, I understand your suggestion. Still, I think a feature like "block checkout if own more than X for Y days" would be valuable (we have that today, only Y is 1). 19:51 jcamins Ah. Got it. 19:51 yhager jcamins: I don't know what's more common. We're just setting up the system (moving from manual). It's a small and rural place - some people pay right away, others have trouble scraping up $10 per year.. 19:51 jcamins i.e. either way will work, but set the enrolment period default so that you have to change it as infrequently as possible. 19:50 jcamins But based on your explanation of the problem, it sounds like paying on day 30 is more common. 19:49 jcamins If they pay right away, you'll have to manually change it to 12 months. 19:49 yhager jcamins: but if they pay right away, do I just credit their "graced" account? 19:49 jcamins *enrolment period 19:48 jcamins yhager: set the adult to be 11 months. 19:46 yhager a bit cumbersome, but could work 19:46 yhager and when they expire on adult, move to "Graced" and only then renew, move back to adults when they pay again.. 19:45 yhager okay, that's an interesting idea.. so I can set all new patrons into "Graced" category, and period will be 30 days, move to "adult" when they pay, for 12 months (or adjust manually to the actual enrollment time). 19:40 cait and it would be easy to keep track who already had his/her month 19:39 cait one with and one without fee 19:39 cait this way you could have different enrollment times set 19:39 cait one for the "test users" and later move them to "paying user" 19:39 cait have 2 patron categories? 19:37 yhager similar to the way koha can block a user when they owe too much. I just want to add a "too long" concept to that.. :) 19:36 yhager oleonard: that would require the librarian to manually verify the 30 days each time they check out a book. I'm thinking of someone along the lines "is user owes more than X amount for Y days, block checkouts" 19:34 oleonard If the enrollment fee goes on their record when they sign up, just don't collect until after 30 days? 19:33 yhager yes, enroll in person. 19:33 yhager When someone renews, if they don't pay right away, that's okay, for 30 days, after that, they're locked out. 19:33 oleonard Enroll at the library, in person? 19:33 yhager cait: when someone enrolls, they can do that without paying right away. We want to let them use the library for 30 days, before we shut them down till they pay. 19:33 oleonard yhager: How would it change the way Koha works? 19:32 oleonard yhager: What would a grace period feature do? 19:32 cait but we sill don't know what you exactly want to do 19:32 cait there a warning abou tpatron accounts that are about to expire 19:32 yhager cait, oleonard: ^^ 19:32 cait hm that's not what i meant 19:31 yhager it's a bit awkward though, I'll have to explain the librarian to renew accounts for a month at first, and when they get paid, renew again. 19:31 yhager yeah, that's my thought.. it should work for new patrons mostly.. 19:30 oleonard yhager: What cait said: How would the grace period work? 19:27 cait you could make your enrollment 1 month longer and start showing a warning in the patron account 30 days before it expires - that would be visible during circ 19:26 cait what would the grace period mean? 19:23 yhager Our library wants to implement a grace period of 30 days to patrons who didn't pay the membership fee. Is three way to implement that (still on 3.10.. can upgrade if needed) 19:10 cait morning rangi 19:07 rambutan afternoon rangi 19:07 rambutan yea, autocomplete 19:07 rambutan afternoon rambutan 19:07 rangi morning all 19:07 rangi hi oleonard 19:06 oleonard Hi rangi 19:05 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 19:05 rangi @later tell Joubu I think using Scalar::Util and reftype is nicer than the blacklist/whitelist approach http://perldoc.perl.org/Scalar/Util.html if you agree, can you obsolete your patch, mark that bug wontfix and start a new bug, ill add the patch to that, 6554 is too long to be useful anymore 18:43 joels68 cait: OK. I'll run it through a sandbox again. 18:41 cait joels68: you could also write up how and what you testd 18:33 joels68 Just not sure of the procedure and etiquette on this. 18:32 joels68 cait: should I work with the patch writer to come up with a more detailed test plan? 18:21 cait the one on the bug is a bit sparse 18:20 cait but really - test plans help 18:20 cait there is some time for that :) 18:19 cait it would help if you could add notes about your testing/ a detailed test plan 18:19 joels68 OK. No rush, just want to get it into 3.16. 18:19 cait it takes quite a while to test hold things 18:18 cait joels68: time is a bit of a problem right now, but maybe in a week 18:18 huginn 04Bug 11126: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Make the holds system optionally give precedence to local holds 18:18 joels68 cait: When you get a chance, please look at this enhancement. http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11126 :-D 18:17 wahanui thanks druthb :) 18:17 druthb wahanui: botsnack pizza 18:11 cait magnus_away: no report from swib13 for us? :) 18:11 wahanui cait: huh? 18:11 cait wahanui: yes, have been for a looong time ;) 18:05 cait hi joels68 18:05 wahanui Hi Cait! are you safely back in germany now? 18:05 joels68 Hi Cait! 17:26 mmm45 yep, imagine that! ;-) 17:24 chris_n what!!! code not working?! imagine that ;-) 17:22 gaetan_B bye ! 17:22 mmm45 the librarian said: "In the catalog, when I went to the record for The Times (The Daily Universal Register) Index, called up the complete record, and then clicked on the hotlink to one of the subjects, Times (London, England)—Indexes" 17:20 mmm45 this is the error they see: Error: Can't call method "sort" on an undefined value at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 426. 17:19 mmm45 our librarians keep reporting this issue 17:19 mmm45 if was wondering if the problem with Parentheses in subject headings break search was ever fixed 17:19 wahanui niihau, mmm45 17:19 mmm45 hello 17:17 mtompset DOH! 16:57 reiveune bye 16:56 cait but it seems not working 16:56 cait it looks like we do check for invalid dates in the code 16:49 cait lol 16:48 oleonard Web developer Barbie says "Server-side validation and error-handling of user input is hard!" 16:47 cait oleonard: nope, no explosion, but interesting: it turned 13/13/2013 into 13/01/2014 16:45 cait and i think it does not explode in 3.6.10 16:44 cait yeah, but it must be possible to check that server side too i think 16:44 oleonard ...Hence the datepicker... 16:43 cait oleonard: I guess this is getting harder and harder - if you enter an invalid date, it explodes into a perl error page 16:35 cait oleonard: sorry for thinking out loud, but thx for confirming the bug :) 16:35 cait actually... if the due date hat the same bug as the renewal date, it would wokr :) 16:31 cait and not sure how to achieve that right now 16:31 cait and trying to figure out how best to get there... ideally with a solution others can live with too 16:30 cait i think having them type only the date is the goal 16:30 cait hmm 16:29 oleonard So you'd like: 1) Optional manual entry 2) Optional date-only entry (no time) 16:29 oleonard I don't know 16:28 cait this library is not using hourly 16:28 cait oleonard: would it be hard to remove the time/hour selection from the widget? 16:25 oleonard Agreed. 16:25 cait but requiring to type 23:59 all the time might get a bit annyoing 16:25 cait that makes it harder 16:25 * cait ponders 16:25 cait i see what you mean 16:25 cait aah 16:25 cait oleonard: hm i was hoping i could change that in the javascript maybe. 16:24 cait so i am trying to revert behavioru to versions before the change 16:24 oleonard I assume you would have to change the "00:00" assumption on the server-side 16:24 cait the library this is for can't use the javascript widget 16:23 cait yes 16:23 oleonard Oh, because you're trying to make it user-editable. 16:23 cait it seems 16:23 cait so it's 'off' by one day then 16:23 cait i tried with today and it already showed as overdue 16:23 cait if you type just 12/12/2013 it will default to 00:00 16:23 cait the specify due date 16:22 oleonard It's the renewal option that doesn't default to 23:59? 16:21 cait i like the first suggestion better 16:21 cait I want to set it to 23:59 if possible, I thought i had seen that somewhere 16:21 cait oleonard: could you point me maybe where i could change the default time for the plugin? 16:21 oleonard "Remember for session, and by session we mean while you're logged in to Koha." 16:21 cait oleonard: i will file a bug for that then... 16:21 cait nah, it would work 16:20 cait too long :) and awful to translate? :) 16:20 oleonard "Remember until I log out" 16:20 nengard yup 16:20 cait nengard: session has a different meaning i think 16:19 oleonard cait: I can confirm that in master the "specify renewal date" option does not respect the time chosen, only the date 16:18 nengard i'm not sure how it was supposed to work - but that's not how people were reading that checkbox 16:18 oleonard nengard: I think that is the intended behavior? 16:18 nengard oh - then - yes it's misunderstood 16:17 oleonard nengard: Otherwise it only remembers what you chose while you're checking out to that patron 16:17 oleonard nengard: "session" in this context is "while you're logged into Koha" 16:16 oleonard Anyway, the bug with the specify renewal date option is that it doesn't use the time you specify? 16:16 nengard and if you don't click that it shouldn't stay 16:16 nengard oleonard - there is a checkbox to have it stay 16:16 cait i woudl guess so 16:16 oleonard Sounds like it works as it should, but is misunderstood 16:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10391 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , specify due date remaining even if not selected 16:15 oleonard Bug 10391 16:15 cait ? 16:15 cait but we agree the reneal due date does not work as it should 16:14 cait if you have the bug number for that i can comment :) 16:14 oleonard Oh okay, I don't actually use it. 16:14 cait and the renewal due date is not accepting the time for me 16:14 cait it behaves like that in 3.12.5 16:14 cait i think it was always for the session (no matter which account you open, it will be remembered) or keep it until it's uset/patron account closed 16:14 cait nope not working here - i was talking about the too sticky due date 16:13 cait but i think that would be ok, as long as it goes away after you left the page? 16:13 cait hm it's gone after i renew, it stays around for a moment 16:13 oleonard Specifying a renewal date and time works in 3.12.5 but not master? 16:13 cait oleonard: if that is any help, it doesn't seem to happen on 3.12.5 16:12 cait hm does not work for reneal date for me 16:12 oleonard And yes, it does incorrectly remember the due date even though I don't have it checked 16:12 cait trying the renew again now 16:12 oleonard Oh wait it is working with specify due date, sorry 16:12 cait i don't have a master installation right now, have to still set that one up 16:11 oleonard I'm testing master 16:11 cait i mean when you leave the time out 16:11 cait checking out is ok for me, it accepts the time, the only problem there is that it defaults to 00:00 when you leave it empty 16:10 cait i have switched back to the clean 3.12.5 now - you are checking master? 16:10 cait hm checkout is ok for me 16:09 cait let me retest this 16:09 oleonard I get the same problem with specify due date--it ignores the time I chose 16:08 cait oleonard: I think i might have found a bug... which would explain part of the confusion I think 16:08 cait and i have no running master right now, but can't remember we fixed a bug there recently 16:07 cait hm yes. it seems to ignore the time on 3.12.5 too 16:05 cait hm first - whatever time i set for a renwal date, it seems always to turn out as 23:59 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10995 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Accessibility: Allow manual entry of renewal date and specific due date in circ 16:04 cait bug 10995 16:03 cait but what puzzles me a bit is a difference in behaviour for the specify due date and the renewal date 16:03 oleonard What are we talking about? 16:03 cait I removed the readonly=readonly attributes from the fields 16:01 cait i am looking at the read only problem on the reneal and specify due date fields 16:01 oleonard But it wasn't me. 16:01 oleonard Yes 16:01 cait hm oleonard: still around? 15:49 cait just trying to get another koha to work on my dev environment ) 15:49 cait we are not 15:42 * druthb snores like a chainsaw. 15:40 oleonard Hmmm... I disappear for an hour and a half and you guys are all still sleeping... 13:54 cait hi oleonard :) 13:27 oleonard Hi #koha 12:26 huginn mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 3 days, 9 hours, 19 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> git checkout -b blah --track origin/v3.14.00 12:26 mtompset @seen wizzyrea 12:02 * uhusiano slaps chris_n around a bit with a large fishbot 10:51 mtompset Is it me, or is the seriously lack of validation of options causing tools/inventory.pl to process to the point of script timeout? 10:41 huginn mtompset: kf was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 16 hours, 56 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <kf> bye all 10:41 mtompset @seen kf 10:41 huginn mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 18 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <cait> hi marcelr :) 10:41 mtompset @seen cait 10:29 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 09:23 marcelr hi cait 09:23 cait hi marcelr :) 08:46 marcelr hi #koha 08:28 cait good morning #koha 08:01 alex_a bonjour 07:55 gaetan_B hello 07:42 reiveune hello 06:23 cait bgkriegel++ 06:10 mtj the header area, specifically 06:09 mtj ...a good solution to the difficult-to-skin default koha theme 06:06 mtj eythian, me like! :) 05:30 eythian [off] s/new site/existing site that's merging with another library/ 05:29 eythian [off] they're one koha system, and the theme depends on what URL you hit. 05:29 eythian [off] Sneak peak at two library themes we're just about to put on a new site: http://stdc.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/ & http://stratford.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/ 05:26 mtompset Have a great day, #koha dcook. :) 05:02 mtompset http://hadihariri.com/2013/11/24/refactoring-to-functionalwhy-class/ (some coding humour) 03:46 dcook Pretty much. Pretty much. 03:46 mtompset dcook: Are you super busy today? 03:42 * dcook waves 03:42 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 02:43 mtompset Wow. I remember that, I believe. 02:43 huginn mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 23 hours, 35 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> git checkout -b blah --track origin/v3.14.00 02:42 mtompset @seen wizzyrea 00:37 huginn mtompset: kf was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 6 hours, 52 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <kf> bye all 00:37 mtompset @seen kf 00:37 huginn mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <cait> lol 00:37 mtompset @seen cait 00:37 mtompset Greetings, #koha.