Time Nick Message 22:57 dcook Mmm, that does sound delicious though. 22:57 jcamins But a little too time-consuming for right now. 22:57 jcamins That sounds wonderful. 22:57 jcamins Oh yes. 22:57 jcamins Caramelized fennel tarts. 22:55 jcamins Let's see what they are. 22:55 jcamins Huffington Post has 25 suggestions. 22:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10996 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Cannot exclude numeric subfields on export 22:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11245 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string 22:53 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10996: Allow numeric subfields to be stripped on export 22:53 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11245: fix typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string 22:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1519: SUCCESS in 1 hr 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1519/ 22:53 jcamins How shall I implement step 2? 22:53 jcamins Good plan. 22:53 jcamins Heh. 22:53 * dcook realizes that isn't very helpful at all. 22:53 dcook Look at it, cook it, and then eat it. 22:52 jcamins What shall I do with the fennel? 22:50 dcook Apparently it's relatively high in Vitamin C...hmm 22:49 dcook Technically it worked but not exactly what I was looking for.. 22:49 dcook But I wrote "define fennel" 22:49 dcook I wanted to look up some photos of fennel to make sure it was what I thought it was 22:49 jcamins I should have some fennel. 22:48 jcamins Mmm. Fennel. 22:47 dcook Mmm food 22:42 rangi cyas later 22:42 rangi right, steak time 22:30 wizzyrea *nod* 22:30 cait good night all :) 22:30 cait he will at least know how it should owrk 22:30 cait well i will sleep and maybe nudge khall_away about it tomorrow 22:30 wizzyrea if you create one with the tab, it doesn't have an "updated" timestamp 22:29 wizzyrea ^ that 22:29 cait more standard 22:29 cait or just an edit link that opens up the fields 22:29 wizzyrea in the borrower_debarment table, it says "updated" 22:29 wizzyrea yea, you should have to tick a box "update this restriction" 22:29 cait how do you tell it updated? 22:29 cait hm. 22:29 cait wizzyrea: i think it shouldn't be updating ever - not unless there is an edit option 22:28 wizzyrea weird. 22:28 wizzyrea changing the comment 22:28 wizzyrea OH cait, it's *updating* the debarment from the edit page 22:28 eythian oh, probably new translations 22:28 eythian I just pulled 14MB from it 22:28 eythian has something huge been pushed into git.k-c.org? 22:27 wizzyrea it's definitely wonky. 22:26 cait filing another bug about the translatability issue 22:26 cait wizzyrea: it needs to work the same, i don't care what it does internally :) 22:26 wizzyrea if you have two debarments, it only overwrites the first one. 22:24 wizzyrea losing a debarment is kind of a big deal though :/ 22:23 wizzyrea I think you can still do that. it'll just be a different method. 22:23 wahanui rumour has it tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today 22:23 cait but tomorrow 22:23 cait which i should check next 22:23 cait and youneed to be able t import debarred patrons 22:23 wizzyrea yes it should not be broken :) 22:23 cait butit should NOT be broken ;) 22:23 cait i will have to think a bit about it 22:23 wizzyrea which would be *less* confusing for new users 22:22 wizzyrea then again you're moving it out right in front of people's faces 22:22 cait it would be really confusing to not have it there 22:22 * wizzyrea is not sure that you do, except ^ 22:22 cait i think because it used to be there for ages 22:22 cait thx wizzyrea for double checking and testing 22:22 wizzyrea do you really need it in both? 22:22 cait i should sleep :) 22:22 cait well... just 22:22 cait it just doesn't work 22:21 cait i think it#s thought to do that 22:21 cait hm i think have the same on both 22:21 wizzyrea I much prefer this new interface, makes a lot more sense. 22:21 wizzyrea my thought is get rid of adding restrictions from the edit screen altogether. 22:20 wizzyrea yea your bug is definitely valid 22:20 wizzyrea yep, i see that too 22:20 cait only it did overwrite my prviously added manual all the time 22:19 cait it says add restriction - and you expect it to do the same as it does on the restriction tab 22:19 cait if you go to edit patron 22:19 cait and kept losing one added with hte new system as well 22:19 wizzyrea that's a problem? I feel like it is. 22:19 cait i didn't have an old one 22:19 wizzyrea well we lose the old restrictions when new ones are added. 22:19 cait but there is somthing seriously wrong with it right now 22:18 wizzyrea It appears that my old restriction is gone: http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/7091/kq2j.png 22:18 cait to verify how this should work 22:18 cait i think we need owen or kyle maybe... 22:18 wizzyrea if you click "view restrictions" you get the screenshot I posted earlier 22:17 wizzyrea http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4810/zegv.png < 3.14 22:16 wizzyrea http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4182/6kog.png < 3.12 22:15 wizzyrea but I'm going to try that again 22:15 wizzyrea which... seems bad 22:14 wizzyrea and I lost it when I added one with the new system 22:14 wizzyrea had an existing, pre upgrade debarment 22:14 wizzyrea the borrower I was using 22:14 wizzyrea I need to test that again. 22:13 cait update severity? 22:13 cait if thatmakes sense.. restrictions tab and edit page look the same - so it shoudl be the smae thing 22:12 cait because the old gui was changed to match the one on the new tab 22:12 wizzyrea yes, well we're losing data on that. 22:12 cait i think it's actually not 2 different things, but all mixed up 22:12 cait it's confusing :( 22:11 wizzyrea oh wait... once the old debarment is gone, the interface changes! 22:11 wizzyrea eep 22:11 wizzyrea as well. 22:11 wizzyrea if you have a restriction done on the edit screen, putting in a new one with the new system overwrites/loses it 21:59 * eythian changes away from weird German music for the morning. 21:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11282 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Not possible to create multiple restrictions from patron details/new restriction overwrites existing 21:56 cait bug 11282 21:54 cait i wonder if someone checked if this new handling will give trouble when you import debarred patrons... but that later 21:53 wizzyrea yep 21:53 cait i am opening a bug, maybe you can add that? 21:53 wizzyrea I restricted through edit 21:53 cait oh my. 21:53 cait i hadn't that happen 21:53 cait oh you rstricted and it doesn't show 21:52 wizzyrea errrr 21:52 wizzyrea borrower is restricted, borrower has no restrictions. 21:52 wizzyrea did you look at my screencap? 21:52 cait but it should not overwrite and work the same everywhere 21:52 wizzyrea but we still have to support old restrictions 21:52 cait hm i think keeping the possible 2 restrictions together is ok 21:52 wizzyrea in favor of this one. 21:52 cait it keeps overwrting the existing one 21:52 wizzyrea yea, I think perhaps that interface needs to be removed 21:52 cait but when you go to Edit, i had problems 21:52 cait no problem 21:52 cait there i managed to add 2 21:51 wizzyrea http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/2772/12la.png well that's confusing. 21:50 wizzyrea yus I see now 21:49 wizzyrea right ok 2sec 21:49 wizzyrea one moment. I may not be running the correct code to see that :P 21:48 cait try adding one from edit patron - then move to checkouts tab and you should see it 21:48 cait it's where you have checouts, holds... 21:48 cait wizzyrea: maybe it only shows up when oyu have 1 at least 21:48 wizzyrea I don't see a restrictions tab... oh wait 21:48 cait do we require unit tests for TT plugins? 21:47 wizzyrea do you have to turn it on 21:47 cait and... there it overwrites my existing one when i add the second :( 21:46 cait can someone confirm maybe? I can add multiples from the check out tab (tab restrictions) but not from the details tab editing the patron, enither using the 'full' edit or the 'small' edit link 21:46 gmcharlt 3. you dropped your card on the floor and we won't enable privleges until you come back to pick your card 21:45 gmcharlt 2. you have fines 21:45 gmcharlt 1. you have stuff overdue 21:45 gmcharlt multiple reasons makes sense, actually 21:45 wizzyrea oh man that's one that I have my name on from back in the day. Wowie. 21:45 cait maybe it's only broken from that page 21:45 cait ohok, i managed 21:44 cait yeah this is seriously broken:( 21:42 huginn 04Bug 2720: enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned 21:42 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2720 21:42 cait ok, i think mulitple should work 21:42 wizzyrea a little awkward. 21:42 wizzyrea because now you have to look at the clock, and figure out what time it will be due yourself 21:42 cait wizzyrea: agreed 21:41 rangi that would be cool 21:41 wizzyrea it really ought to be something like "in x hours" in addition to being able to specify a specific time. 21:40 wizzyrea for hourly loans 21:40 huginn rangi: khall was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <khall> mornin cait, #koha! 21:40 rangi @seen khall 21:40 wizzyrea suggestion about the issue date picker 21:40 cait might work better in nice: khall? :) 21:40 cait KHALL! :) 21:39 rangi cait: no idea 21:39 cait what is the new borrower_debarments table for? 21:39 cait so... if it doesn't domultiple 21:39 wizzyrea ^ makes the rest of it ok :) 21:39 rangi wizzyrea++ 21:38 rangi in Zambia. Cheers and good night 21:38 rangi to bed with a smile on my face. Its 30 minutes before mid night here 21:38 rangi me for three years now. You have just solved my problem. I now can go 21:38 wizzyrea :D 21:38 rangi It has worked! How sweet Koha can be. This problem has been troubling 21:38 rangi i dedicate this one to te takere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg 21:37 cait and just saying the interface made me think it 21:37 cait i thought for different reasons with different dates 21:37 rangi yeah doesnt make a lot of sense 21:37 wizzyrea I mean it! 21:37 cait lol 21:37 rangi you are really really debarred 21:37 cait not sure, but the interface seemed to indicate i could 21:36 talljoy doubly debarred? 21:35 cait houldn't i be able to add more than one restriction? 21:35 cait question about the new debarred feature 21:35 cait hm ok 21:33 talljoy okay thanks cait and jcamins! 21:33 rangi http://www.tetakere.org.nz/ 21:33 wizzyrea Te Takere = HLT 21:33 cait a higher number in kohaversion.pl than the hights in updatedatabase would do it too i think 21:32 rangi :) 21:32 talljoy cuz that sounds like the kind of thing that one earns a crown and scepter for. "supreme award" 21:31 talljoy does he get a crown? 21:31 talljoy te_takere++ 21:31 * jcamins heads home. 21:31 cait te_takere++ 21:31 jcamins talljoy: probably a merge error that put an actual version number in the new development's upgrade stanza. 21:31 cait woohoo 21:31 rangi Te Takere won the supreme award at the Association of Local Goverment Information Management awards earlier this week 21:31 talljoy thanks jcamins! 21:31 talljoy what is triggering that installer? 21:30 talljoy but would any of y'all know why the web installer keeps wanting run when i've already run the updatedatase? 21:30 JesseM Who is ready for a little Thanksgiving Turkey? http://www.steak-enthusiast.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/554087_460869160621090_639574201_n.jpg 21:30 rangi speaking of libraries doing cool things 21:30 jcamins talljoy: want me to call him for you? YO! KHALL! talljoy wants to talk with you. 21:30 rangi heh 21:30 talljoy but khall is mia and i'm trying to ping him in every medium i can 21:30 talljoy i've been trying to track down khall with a question about some dev he's installed for me. 21:29 rangi yup 21:29 talljoy but we do encounter some odd ducks out there from time to time. 21:29 talljoy of course. and i'm a librarian and i don't intend that. 21:29 rangi there are plenty of libraries that are doing cool things 21:28 rangi of course im totally generalising here 21:28 rangi talljoy: yeah, its kinda odd 21:28 talljoy and not in a good way 21:28 talljoy librarians seem to be on a mission to make themselves obsolete sometimes. 21:26 jcamins eythian: then there was D, which no one has ever heard of anyone using. 21:25 wizzyrea ^ 21:25 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 21:25 wizzyrea interesting 21:25 wizzyrea also, i didn't say it was a *good* idea. Just that it was interesting. :P 21:23 wizzyrea ^^ what he said. 21:23 rangi </pet peeve> 21:23 rangi thats the conclusion you would draw 21:23 rangi at least if you did a case study of what libraries fund in koha 21:22 rangi libraries are for librarians 21:22 rangi jcamins: that seems to be the prevailing view 21:21 cait i see 21:21 eythian cait: well, there was C, then there was C++ 21:21 jcamins rangi: not. Of course. Right? 21:21 * cait hides 21:21 cait so you could then say - ok, this one goes out unlimited/forever 21:21 rangi do we want people to use the library or not 21:21 wizzyrea I will amend my reply 21:21 cait like for teachers - they got 10 books as unlimited loans in that library 21:21 wizzyrea Just use the damn picker to set the due date. :) 21:20 wizzyrea yea definitely - I forgot about the picker 21:20 cait :) 21:20 cait i just say i have seen that 21:20 rangi ffs people 21:20 cait hehe 21:20 rangi DONT BE SO NEEDLESSLY COMPLEX 21:20 rangi or better 21:20 rangi then use the picker to override it 21:20 rangi or whatever 21:20 cait wizzyrea: like select a special, short or unlimited loan on circ 21:20 rangi just set the loan to 2 weeks 21:20 rangi thats a 123 if ever i saw it 21:19 cait wizzyrea: i have seen ILS where you coudl do htat 21:19 cait ? 21:17 eythian oh great, now you've gone and made wizzyrea and rangi slower and more complicated. 21:16 trea rangi++ 21:16 trea wizzyrea++ 21:16 trea ah, k. thanks. 21:16 wahanui i heard searching was not working 21:16 rangi and searching 21:15 rangi the dates in the items table are really only used for display 21:15 trea issues, k. i'll start there. 21:15 wizzyrea issues probably 21:15 trea so, since it's fines.pl, I should be checking dates in the items table perhaps? 21:15 wizzyrea choosing issue rule at circ time - interesting idea. 21:14 rangi yep 21:13 wizzyrea 0000-00-00 23:59:00 21:12 wizzyrea (to me) 21:12 wizzyrea looks like you have an invalid date in your data. 21:11 pastebot "trea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "fines.pl cron error" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/4 21:11 trea hey has anyone ever seen this error running fines.pl? 21:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #131: FAILURE in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/131/ 20:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #1519 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:55 mtompset gmcharlt++ # I saw MARC codes too. :) 20:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #188: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/188/ 20:50 rangi that marine education center is just down the road from us, we go there lots 20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add WhenLostChargeReplacementFee 20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add note about batch item modification to item edits 20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix styling on edit items 20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add optional way to delete items with checkboxes 20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add optional way to edit items with checkboxes 20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add StaffDetailItemSelection 20:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #397: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/397/ 20:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #397 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:49 rangi http://www.wetanz.com/proceeds-from-the-new-zealand-gala-premiere-of-the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-to-go-to-local-charity/ 20:49 rangi this is pretty sweet 20:48 oleonard This new RDA stuff really is confusing! 20:48 cait lol 20:48 gmcharlt I had visions of a ferry carting MARC tags around 20:48 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I misread that rather badly 20:47 oleonard At least you didn't mention how many murder victims/pounds of cocaine/counterfeit beanie babies you were ferrying 20:45 wizzyrea at least it wasn't something actually embarrassing. 20:45 wizzyrea hehe yes, wrong window 20:44 wizzyrea :D 20:44 cait although i like the ferry idea :) 20:44 rangi heh 20:44 cait wrong window? :) 20:43 wizzyrea (for all of us) 20:43 wizzyrea 549 I can get a ferry leaving 26dec and returning 30dec 20:42 wizzyrea stackoverflow++ 20:42 * mtompset cheers. 20:42 wizzyrea \o/ 20:42 cait no longer KONFLIKT but CONFLICT 20:42 cait wizzyrea++ 20:42 mtompset Sorry to hear that, oleonard. :( 20:41 wizzyrea frownies. 20:41 * oleonard has had a pessimism-inducing week 20:41 mtompset [off] Didn't want to accuse you of pessimism, just in case it was true, because it is possible. :) 20:40 rangi chrispin is usually pretty good 20:40 oleonard [off] /me is being a pessimist 20:39 mtompset [off] Really? 20:39 jcamins You have to say that very firmly, though, or git will just say "Nein! Ich werde sprechen Deutsch, wenn ich will!" 20:39 wizzyrea http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10633564/how-does-one-change-the-language-of-the-command-line-interface-of-git 20:38 cait especially when i am trying to google an error 20:38 oleonard [off] Direct email reply to me in 3.... 2... 1... 20:38 cait maybe i will just switch the system one... in english things often make more sense 20:38 * wizzyrea really has no idea 20:38 wizzyrea perhaps you can tell git to use a specific locale instead of the system one 20:38 mtompset Did your locale change? 20:38 cait lol 20:38 jcamins cait: Achtung! Deutsch zu sprechen ist nicht erlaubt! 20:38 cait but someone mut have translated it... it started when i updated my ubuntu 20:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #131 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:37 cait i always had it to de-DE 20:37 wizzyrea maybe git is picking up on it. 20:37 wizzyrea actually, when you were testing the locale thing, did you set it to de-DE 20:37 mtompset wizzyrea++ # love the humour. :) 20:37 cait lol 20:37 wizzyrea Dear Katrin's git: stop speaking german! Love, me 20:37 * cait thinks it's like watching big bang theory with german synchronisation 20:36 cait can you tell it to stop that? 20:36 cait does someone know how i can stop my git speaking german? 20:36 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update over triggers with AutoRemoveOverduesRestrictions 20:36 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add AutoRemoveOverduesRestrictions 20:36 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add AcqItemSetSubfieldsWhenReceived 20:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #396: SUCCESS in 59 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/396/ 20:36 wizzyrea oleonard++ - for leaping on that hand grenade 20:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #396 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:35 cait oleonard++ 20:35 * oleonard will answer 20:34 wizzyrea hehe yea :) 20:34 cait yeah :) 20:34 wizzyrea or just two item types 20:34 cait or no location at all 20:34 wizzyrea he needs to have two item types, and one location 20:34 wizzyrea so he has got it the wrong way around. 20:34 wizzyrea well you can't do loan policy according to location 20:33 cait would be my guess too 20:33 oleonard Doesn't know that loan policy is tied to item type, not authorised values? 20:33 cait i am not sure i want to try and answer... 20:32 * rangi passes on that one 20:32 rangi hmm i dont understand that hourly loans question at all 20:31 mtompset No, it isn't that confusing. Just weird having two different names pop up beside each other. Requires that extra thinking cycle. 20:30 rangi ie fixing the cannot 20:30 rangi the patch Allows it 20:30 rangi the bug is Cannot 20:30 rangi you just had it round the wrong way 20:30 cait mtompset: sorry, not sure i remember 20:30 rangi its not that confusing mtompset 20:30 mtompset visible in the jenkins build. 20:29 mtompset And yes, cait, my Allow to Cannot comment was about the bug oleonard pointed at. 20:29 mtompset Yes, that I am. Finally wrote some XML extracting code to tell me things from these confounded monthly reports. :) 20:28 bag :) 20:28 wahanui mtompset is, like, catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry 20:28 rambutan mtompset! 20:28 mtompset Greetings, bag rambutan 20:28 rambutan bag! 20:28 cait hi bag :) 20:27 bag gmcharlt++ 20:27 bag afternoon all :) 20:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #188 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #184 1 mo 10 days ago) 20:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #357: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/357/ 20:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #130: SUCCESS in 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/130/ 20:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10996 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Cannot exclude numeric subfields on export 20:00 oleonard Bug 10996? 19:58 cait ? 19:45 mtompset Allow to be stripped -> Cannot exclude?! 19:45 mtompset Well, that's a weird name change. 19:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #130 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #357 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10996 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Cannot exclude numeric subfields on export 19:30 jenkins_koha Colin Campbell: Bug 10996: Allow numeric subfields to be stripped on export 19:30 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #232: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/232/ 19:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10809 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , use template branches plugin in serials search 19:30 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10809: use branches template plugin in serials search 19:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1518: SUCCESS in 2 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1518/ 19:28 cait back 19:07 tcohen byeeee 19:07 cait brb 19:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #129: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/129/ 18:55 cait rangi++ and gmcharlt++ 18:54 gmcharlt rangi++ 18:45 rangi most likely 18:45 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "rangi: is it a Java thing (tm)+?" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/3 18:42 chris_n heya rangi 18:42 rangi cool 18:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #129 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:41 * tcohen is trying 18:41 rangi it should now yep 18:40 * chris_n has found guide boxes to be only minimally useful in practice 18:40 chris_n tcohen: the easiest fix would be to drop in a check and simply return if no params are sent along 18:40 tcohen rangi: will it delete the cover_db files? 18:39 tcohen i'll take a look chris_n 18:39 * cait waves 18:38 chris_n really there should be some feedback to the user 18:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #232 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:38 chris_n that minimizes collateral damage at least 18:38 rangi thanks 18:38 tcohen ok, i'll fix it rangi 18:38 rangi ah that would do it 18:38 chris_n tcohen: if no parameters are passed in it should return nothing (which clearly it does not do atm) 18:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11245 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string 18:38 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11245: fix typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string 18:38 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #231: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/231/ 18:37 tcohen opacdir, opachtdos 18:37 rangi hmm i thought you changed that? 18:37 tcohen point to master 18:37 tcohen the conf files 18:36 rangi something weird is happening 18:36 rangi 19:07:25 OPAC: Database update needed, redirecting to maintenance. Database is 3.1300015 and Koha is 3.1300042 at /var/lib/jenkins/workspace/Koha_3.12.x/C4/Auth.pm line 578. 18:35 tcohen those hashes are right 18:35 rangi 18:50:10 Checking out Revision 29825475bfb38a77738ffd1789cb2ba88f3a62ad (origin/3.12.x) 18:35 rangi 18:50:10 Commencing build of Revision 29825475bfb38a77738ffd1789cb2ba88f3a62ad (origin/3.12.x) 18:35 rangi which is weird 18:34 rangi 18:11:38 OPAC: Database update needed, redirecting to maintenance. Database is 3.1300015 and Koha is 3.1300042 at /var/lib/jenkins/workspace/Koha_3.12.x/C4/Auth.pm line 578. 18:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #128: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/128/ 18:34 * chris_n looks 18:34 rangi however there is a bigger issue, it doesnt seem to be using a 3.12 db, or running 3.12.x code 18:34 mtompset tcohen++ # for a good suggestion. Ummm what was it? ;) 18:34 tcohen chris_n: what's the expected behaviour when no parameters are passed? 18:33 tcohen rangi++ 18:33 rangi nope ive made that change now 18:33 tcohen C4::Labels::Label->_guide_box 18:33 gmcharlt rangi: then you see no bar to running with tcohen's suggestion? 18:32 tcohen chris_n: C4/Labels/Label.pm 18:32 rangi gmcharlt: its not needed for tracking coverage change, cos im logging that in jenkins 18:31 chris_n tcohen: here 18:24 tcohen chris_n`: around? 18:12 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:11 pug Hi guys -- I was looking for a command line tool (not the GUI based marc edit)- to convert csv to any format usable by bulkmarcimport.pl . Any suggestions for such a tool? 18:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #128 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: FIXED) 18:02 gmcharlt and thanks! 18:01 gmcharlt and secondarily, figure out if we care 18:01 gmcharlt tcohen: I will look into it -- I want to check to see if keeping the cover_db around is useful for tracking changes in coverage 18:00 tcohen and congrats for the pi release, is a great milestone in terms of stability and evolution of the project 17:57 tcohen would you try deleting the cover_db contents before launching the build? 17:57 tcohen i wrote you an chris, and noticed you launched a new build for master 17:57 gmcharlt tcohen: yep 17:56 tcohen gmcharlt: around? 17:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10996: Allow numeric subfields to be stripped on export <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=248283fc29b46f59c56769a14f8d811cc61834ff> 17:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #231 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11245: fix typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a4fa0a80307bf61a82a180220504c633000db7f> 17:42 cait chris_n`: around? :) 17:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #127: FIXED in 23 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/127/ 17:37 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 17:37 tcohen o/ 17:35 rambutan waves 17:32 * cait waves 17:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #1518 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11207 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Impossibility to remove a sms number 17:22 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11207: fix issue where SMS number couldn't be cleared when editing patron 17:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: DBRev 3.15.00.000: on to what comes after Pi 17:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1517: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1517/ 17:19 gaetan_B bye ! 17:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #127 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #125 1 day 1 hr ago) 17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10684 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Koha search dies on undecodable records 17:13 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10684: (follow-up) adjust how undecodable records are logged 17:13 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10684: make sure that Koha search does not dies on undecodable records 17:13 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10684: add regression test 17:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #126: FAILURE in 3 hr 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/126/ 17:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10809 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , use template branches plugin in serials search 17:05 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10809: use branches template plugin in serials search 17:05 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #230: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/230/ 16:24 huginn gmcharlt: YES! 16:24 gmcharlt @arewethereyet 16:24 * gmcharlt doesn't think he could have held out that long against the tide of people asking "is it out yet?" 16:23 oleonard Yours of course :P 16:23 gmcharlt oleonard: which time zone? ;) 16:23 rambutan :) 16:22 nengard hehe 16:21 * oleonard is just a little disappointed that gmcharlt didn't wait until 3:14PM today for the release... 16:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #230 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:12 cait bye all 16:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11207 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Impossibility to remove a sms number 16:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11207: fix issue where SMS number couldn't be cleared when editing patron 16:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: DBRev 3.15.00.000: on to what comes after Pi 16:11 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #229: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/229/ 15:56 cait I am not sure when iw ill get to it, but hopefully sometime soon 15:56 jcamins :P 15:56 jcamins Yes. 15:56 jcamins lol 15:56 cait do you have your finger on your nose right now? :) 15:56 jcamins Not me. 15:55 cait hmm and who sends a patch now? ;) 15:55 jcamins Get a count of records in the table that haven't been used today, and then choose an offset between 0 and COUNT-1. 15:54 cait ah 15:54 jcamins The count. 15:54 cait from what? 15:54 jcamins cait: randomly generated. 15:54 cait jcamins: what is offset in that case? 15:53 gmcharlt jcamins: yeah, that would work 15:52 jcamins SELECT * FROM quotes ORDER BY id LIMIT $offset, 1; 15:52 gmcharlt cait: ok 15:52 cait the one we use for branches now has a diacritics problem and the patch would solve it I think 15:52 jcamins gmcharlt: you don't have to fetch the entire table. 15:52 cait gmcharlt: could you take a look at the removing of the doubled template plugins sometime? 15:51 gmcharlt thousands of quotes == maybe write a cronjob to select the daily one 15:51 cait it might be not too bad on that table, it's not supposed to get really huge. but you never knwo what libraries will do :) 15:51 gmcharlt *one 15:51 gmcharlt one could fetch the entire list of quotes, then writer Perl to select a random ne 15:50 cait not sure i can explain myself. 15:50 cait hm 15:50 cait we could just not do a count, but have the ids 15:49 gmcharlt mysql has rand(), pg ha random() 15:49 cait is there a function to do a rand on a list of numbers? 15:49 cait mysqlism? 15:49 jcamins Randomly generated offset? 15:49 gmcharlt not portable, though 15:49 gmcharlt a not entirely satisfying way of addressing it: select * from quotes order by rand() limit 1; 15:46 ashimema well found cait 15:45 cait hate even :) 15:45 cait i had bugs I can't explain 15:45 cait now i feel better 15:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11279 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Quote of the day feature won't pick a quote 15:45 cait bug 11279 15:37 rambutan gmcharlt++ 15:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10809: use branches template plugin in serials search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ca790997ed6adebb7edafc04b6f1aa136ce7cc2> 15:27 cait when you have deleted a lot of the older entries, it will never find one 15:27 cait and then picks a quote in the range of 1-count 15:26 cait on the entries in the table 15:26 cait it does a count 15:26 cait i think i see it 15:26 cait ugh 15:25 cait *sigh* i am not sure how this works. 15:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11207: fix issue where SMS number couldn't be cleared when editing patron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b15f25d8c672d198cd074fd16f01e1f67fef955e> / DBRev 3.15.00.000: on to what comes after Pi <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7ca5ad5af274b7236dbb22291a4c08599d99305> 15:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1517 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:18 cait ids 15:17 cait id's are 1 and 2 - quote shows up 15:17 cait id 1 and 4 - still no quote 15:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #229 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED) 15:17 cait no quote is shown 15:17 cait ok, i have got 2 quotes - both have no date yet, ids are 3 and 4 15:16 cait but still doing tests 15:16 cait i did some renumbering and suddenly the quote showed up 15:16 cait it seems to not like when you are missing ids 15:15 oleonard Oh yeah? What have you found? 15:15 cait i think i am one step closer with the quote of the day problem 15:07 cait hi oleonard :) 15:00 oleonard Hi #koha 13:51 cait hi khall :) 13:43 tcohen hi khall! 13:41 khall mornin cait, #koha! 13:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #126 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:00 wahanui confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 13:00 tcohen confetti! 12:57 * tcohen is trying to apply 10684 on 3.12.x 12:56 tcohen hicait 12:56 cait hi tcohen :) 12:56 cait ? 12:55 tcohen :-) 12:52 marcelr koha 3,14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 41971 69399 37510 ! 12:36 tcohen morning #koha 12:32 tcohen gmcharlt++ # you rock 10:06 wizzyrea right. Enjoy your Pi, I will catch you all in about 8 hours. :) 09:51 wizzyrea http://media.tumblr.com/db967459f8014b46901bfa6cd67a3958/tumblr_inline_mjgpt8aqiJ1qz4rgp.gif 09:50 wizzyrea http://25.media.tumblr.com/ac45cce196c9d764303bc8b6537eaee4/tumblr_mt0itbYc4E1snj781o1_250.gif 09:18 wizzyrea (for the moment) 09:18 wizzyrea it's the better of the two anyway - better data. 09:18 wizzyrea but responsive will keep the default :) 09:18 wizzyrea but it probably won't ahve the responsive theme on. 09:16 wizzyrea our demo at demo.mykoha.co.nz will go up to 3.14 when the packages are ready 09:16 wizzyrea it's reasonably close to master 09:15 wizzyrea it should be 08:59 cait compiling an email to the coworkers about pi :) 08:58 wahanui bootstrap is running in a demo at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz. It tracks, reasonably closely, the current master version of Koha. 08:58 cait bootstrap? 08:58 wahanui responsive is looking real nice 08:58 cait responsive? 08:58 cait is the responsive opac up to date? 08:58 cait wizzyrea: as you are here 08:58 wahanui koha pi is http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-0-released/ 08:58 cait koha pi? 08:58 cait Koha Pi is http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-0-released/ 08:58 wahanui cait: I forgot koha pi 08:58 cait forget koha pi 08:58 cait gr 08:58 cait forget kohe pi 08:58 cait forget koha pie 08:58 wahanui Koha pi is coming. 08:58 cait Koha pi? 08:57 cait have someoen dedicated to send the release notes around and do some advertising :) 08:57 cait hm we should have a new role 08:47 wizzyrea http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2064495/confetti-o.gif 08:47 wizzyrea hehe 08:43 magnuse aww... 08:42 magnuse much more confetti! 08:42 cait lol 08:42 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' 08:42 wizzyrea more confetti! 08:42 cait :) 08:42 wahanui confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 08:42 wizzyrea confetti! 08:42 cait heh :) 08:42 wizzyrea WHICH IS A LOT. 08:42 wizzyrea I am as excited as the moment dictates ;) 08:39 magnuse pi! pi! 08:38 cait hi rangi 08:38 cait mushroom pi! 08:38 rangi evening 08:37 cait you are excited, hm? :) 08:35 wizzyrea vegetarian pi! 08:34 wizzyrea pi! 08:34 cait oh savoury, good idea :) 08:34 wizzyrea bacon and blue cheese! 08:34 cait huh? 08:34 wizzyrea steak and cheese! 08:34 cait yum! 08:34 wizzyrea strawberry! Rhubarb! Boysenberry! Coconut cream! 08:34 wizzyrea pi! pi! pi! 08:31 gaetan_B hello 08:18 cait I've sent myself a reminder email - thx for taking care of this 08:18 marcelr ok thanks 08:17 cait marcelr: yes, but not before tonight, someone might beat me to it 08:17 marcelr right wahanui 08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 08:17 wahanui i heard bug 7143 was ready for an easy signoff 08:17 marcelr bug 7143 08:17 marcelr cait: could you please check my patch on the release team changes? 08:12 cait pi! 08:12 cait pi1 08:12 cait hi wizzyrea 08:12 wizzyrea mornin cait 08:10 * cait waves 07:54 Oak Bonjour reiveune ! 07:54 reiveune hello 07:46 * magnuse chastises himself for signing off one less patch than he contributed to Pi 07:41 marcelr hi magnuse 07:41 magnuse hiya marcelr 07:41 marcelr hi Oak cait 07:41 cait good morning marcelr :) 07:41 Oak hello marcelr 07:40 Oak later cait 07:40 marcelr hi #koha 07:40 cait have to go to work :) bbiab 07:40 Oak :) 07:40 magnuse gah, stupid tab complete ;-) 07:40 Oak gmcharlt++ 07:40 magnuse Oak: 07:39 Oak magnuse 07:39 Oak hello Katrin! 07:39 cait gmcharlt++ 07:39 cait hi magnuse :) 07:39 cait hi Oak :) 07:39 magnuse Pi! gmcharlt++ 07:39 huginn Oak: Brooke was last seen in #koha 9 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, 32 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Brooke> hey cait :D 07:39 Oak @seen Brooke 07:39 * Oak waves 07:11 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ 07:11 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' 07:11 wizzyrea more confetti! 07:11 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 07:11 wizzyrea confetti! 07:11 wizzyrea Pi! 07:11 wizzyrea Pi! 07:01 cait most of the time during the release i feel too slow :) 07:01 cait i only realize how busy when i see the release notes 07:01 cait yeah we have been busy 06:56 dcook It looks like a very good release based on the notes 06:55 dcook hehe 06:51 cait then you all did it wrong and i am even more disappointed :) 06:50 dcook It wasn't much of a party :p 06:50 cait stupid timezones - i missed the pie party?? 06:50 cait oh 06:36 dcook :P 06:36 dcook lol 06:35 cait just don't tell her :P 06:35 cait you still can name it after your sister and ge 2 for one 06:35 cait nope, i just make mistakes myself 06:35 dcook If you didn't have the same (nick)name as my sister, I would name my first born after you 06:34 cait lol 06:34 dcook You are a goddess, cait 06:33 dcook Great idea, cait :) 06:33 dcook I was just thinking action logs right before I clicked on this icon 06:31 cait ithas saved me a few itimes 06:31 cait if you are lucky you store syspref changes there :) 06:30 cait go look in your action_logs 06:30 dcook Meeting up with folk at 8 as well and have some work to do for a friend before then, so 2.5 hours.. 06:30 dcook I'm sure we have a backup but I'm also sure I don't have access to it 06:29 dcook I just ruined the userjs by doing a search then saving... 06:29 cait time to go home dcook :) 06:29 * cait waves 06:28 dcook Or rather, picks out the string.. 06:28 dcook Gotta love that old bug that wipes out your system preferences when searching... 06:27 dcook Man 3.8 is so out of date.. 06:23 dcook At least on ours... 06:23 dcook When using AnonymousSuggestions in 3.8.0, all purchase suggestions are anonymous, even when logged on... 06:22 dcook saghsa;dghasg 06:10 dcook What the ever living... 06:08 * dcook despises the acquisitions module... 05:56 dpk1 I tried just switching over the theme and it got into some wierd loop where it kept putting a "logged out" window despite me doing nothing. I think it might be related to the fact that we don't normally us logins on the OPAC 05:36 dcook Not yet. Probably not for a while in my case :/ 05:34 dpk1 Has anyone here played around with the new bootstrap theme and especially conversion from prog to bootstrap? 05:21 mtompset (the release of 3.14) 05:21 mtompset So long and thanks for the fish, gmcharlt. :) 05:21 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 05:21 mtompset ^one^on^ 05:21 mtompset Well, that blip seems like a good note to leave one. 05:11 * dcook will need to set up a new VM on this computer...looks like it'll be 3.14 :) 05:11 dcook Looks like a hell of a release 05:10 dcook Particularly in circulation :p 05:10 * dcook then went on to wonder why on Earth you'd want to integrate Koha and Dropbox 05:10 dcook When I first started using Koha, I thought it referred to the actual "Dropbox" product 05:09 dcook This might sound weird, but I'm really pleased about the changing of the "Dropbox" label 05:05 mtompset Only 9?! I guess I should try to improve on that number. :P 05:04 mtompset I guess tomorrow/today is roll a distribution day. :) 05:03 dcook gmcharlt++ 05:03 dcook hehe 05:02 * dcook goes off to read it 05:02 dcook Touché, gmcharlt 04:57 rangi :) 04:57 gmcharlt rangi++ # showing evidence of having actually looked at the release blog post ;) 04:56 rangi gmcharlt++ 04:55 gmcharlt dcook: 3 04:55 gmcharlt eythian: yeah, π doesn't look great in a sans serif font, IMO 04:54 eythian without the wavy top I'm used to 04:54 eythian just smaller 04:54 eythian curious, in my email client font, π looks very much like Π04:53 dcook How many do you have? I can only recall seeing the one 04:51 gmcharlt ours are about 13 04:46 dcook He's the ginger I post photos of all the time 04:46 dcook He's a grump 04:46 dcook But the noisiest one acts even older 04:46 dcook Mmm, about 7 iirc 04:45 gmcharlt how old are they? 04:45 dcook I usually get quite a bit of it, but those cats.. 04:45 dcook Evidently, it's a concept with which you're not very familiar ;) 04:45 dcook gmcharlt++ 04:45 dcook Yay 3.14.0! 04:44 mtompset That's a lot of .po files coming down the pipe. 04:43 gmcharlt http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-0-released/ 04:41 gmcharlt dcook: what is this concept you're referring to when you say "sleep"? 04:40 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #228: FIXED in 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/228/ 04:40 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 04:38 dcook And now they're exacting brutal revenge 04:38 dcook I don't think the cats were pleased that I left 04:37 * dcook hasn't gotten that much sleep since getting back to Australia 04:37 dcook How do you get to sleep? 04:37 gmcharlt dcook: and pouncing on my toes, and standing on my chest, staring, and cuddling up right next to my ear and using her loudest purr... 04:36 * dcook figues the koha channel could double as cat support as well :p 04:36 dcook gmcharlt: Do you ever have trouble with your cat waking you up in the middle of the night with its meowing? 04:35 dcook Functional works :D 04:35 dcook Not really sure what you mean, but I'm glad it worked out :) 04:35 mtompset anyways... I have something functional, even if it is ugly. :) 04:35 mtompset addr1 yes, but sometimes an addr2, sometimes and addr3. 04:34 mtompset Yes, but not every donor node has the same information in it. 04:33 dcook Being XML, there should be a certain amount of structure as well, no? o_O 04:32 dcook Mmm, a certain amount of things 04:32 mtompset xpath seems to require me knowing things. 04:32 mtompset Yes, but the problem is I don't know what the structure is going to be. 04:31 dcook I wrote a recursive function that did something like you're describing but it didn't work anywhere near as good as using xpath 04:30 dcook If you're not using xpath, you probably want to be 04:30 dcook O_o 04:29 mtompset I finally find a sample piece of code that did the nice recursive thing on the XML tree, so I was able to use that to find the nodes I want, and then build up arrays of hashes. 04:28 dcook It should know its place 04:28 dcook Nasty.. 04:28 dcook And now I just got a problem of an mp3 trying to become a pdf 04:28 dcook Looks like I need to re-run the HTML parsing I did for a friend the other day 04:28 dcook mtompset: If you want/have any tips, I'd be glad to know ;) 04:27 BobB gmcharlt ++ 04:26 mtompset oh, and the release of 3.14 :) 04:26 mtompset and I finally got some code working to parse a bunch of XML files to extract donor information. 04:25 mtompset successful build. 04:25 gmcharlt ;) 04:25 gmcharlt new kitten? 04:25 gmcharlt mtompset: new puppy? 04:24 mtompset YAY! 04:23 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Update history.txt for Koha 3.14.0 release 04:23 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: release notes for Koha 3.14.0 04:23 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: DBRev 3.14.00.000: Koha 3.14.0 04:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1516: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1516/ 03:58 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:58 eythian wahanui: it's happening is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/YtKWRKk.gif 03:57 * dcook wonders if one day we'll be drinking Google bottled water... 03:56 dcook Whoa, when you download Adobe Reader, they offer to package Chrome with it 03:54 * eythian finds another album 03:54 eythian *think 03:54 eythian I do not thing German spoken word comedy is likely to get me through the afternoon... 03:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #228 for job master_maria (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #226 8 hr 56 min ago) 03:42 dcook And it's awful 03:42 dcook Someone is going to be using this 03:42 * dcook is just thinking from a developer perspective 03:42 dcook Totes 03:42 jcamins Or downloading Chrome. 03:42 jcamins There is no browser better for downloading Firefox than IE. 03:41 dcook I like it better as browseres :p 03:41 jcamins *browsers 03:41 jcamins dcook: well, IE is one of the best web browseres in the world. 03:41 dcook ... 03:41 dcook But "apps" don't appear on your desktop at all 03:41 dcook Hmm, apparently you can run "apps" and applications at the same time 03:37 dcook Ugh, and has extra stuff regular browsers don't as well.. 03:37 dcook Still sucks 03:37 dcook ie-- 03:29 dcook Has an "install new versions" automatically checkbox which is nice.. 03:28 * dcook wonders if IE 11 does follow web standards... 03:28 dcook So what you're saying is...when you follow web standards, you get better performance? 03:28 dcook http://www.modern.ie/en-us/f12 03:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Update history.txt for Koha 3.14.0 release 03:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: release notes for Koha 3.14.0 03:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: DBRev 3.14.00.000: Koha 3.14.0 03:12 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #227: UNSTABLE in 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/227/ 02:45 mtompset DOH! Found it. 02:41 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "What obvious thing am I missing?!" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/2 02:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #1516 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch '3.14.x' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=beacc2625a1d1fdbfedce84b5d37d72d8a0d81fe> / Update history.txt for Koha 3.14.0 release <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3fe0e784516309050fc5b6eda1ab7fdaf7643048> / release notes for Koha 3.14.0 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07b5f01c07b340f9d9cfaeaeb47d65cd640e2312> / DBR 02:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #227 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:09 dcook Although in retrospect, it's not just Windows 8. It's also Office 2013... 02:09 dcook Yay, got rid of some of the annoying things... 02:01 * dcook can sometimes state the obvious, eh? 02:01 dcook (Unrelated note: The one good thing about Windows 8 is that it's making me look through all the different options and preferences...so now I'm changing things that used to irritate me in past versions. Of course, the things that annoy me about Windows 8 don't appear to be changeable...) 02:00 wizzyrea yeah, it does doesn't it. 02:00 dcook Sounds like a tricky one 01:58 wizzyrea I think I can get the branch of the processing user (which may... or may not!) correspond to the branch where the fine was paid... 01:58 dcook It's certainly interesting 01:57 dcook Maybe not though 01:57 dcook I think that's the sort of thing people might track with their POS? 01:57 dcook Yeah, I was just pondering that one 01:57 wizzyrea in reciprocal fines. 01:57 wizzyrea it's so they can determine how much they owe each other 01:57 dcook But I'm not an accountant. 01:57 dcook That seems odd(ish) to me 01:56 wizzyrea right, that's what they are doing, but they are separate entities financially 01:56 dcook Mind you, it only ever happened two or three times in my life, so... 01:56 * dcook is fairly sure he was always able to pay his fines at any branch 01:56 dcook Err, public library systems. 01:56 dcook I imagine most systems tend to share finances. 01:55 dcook Hmm 01:53 wizzyrea that should read "report out" 01:53 wizzyrea except in relation to the user that did it... 01:52 wizzyrea I don't think we keep *where* a fine is paid... 01:52 wizzyrea is that even possible? 01:52 wizzyrea hrm. Fines paid at branch A for an item from branch B 01:50 dac Hmm 01:50 dac There, that should be better 01:21 dcook All right. Time to power down and move this thing around... 01:11 wizzyrea top 10 is easy 01:10 eythian the tech press has gone a bit downhill I feel. More "top 10", less "here's a detailed review" 01:06 wizzyrea The Oatmeal, for example. 01:06 wizzyrea Though certainly there are people who wouldn't publish at all, if they didn't have the web. 01:05 wizzyrea democratisation of content creation increases the quantity of content, but not necessarily the quality. 01:00 jcamins Was the technology press better in the past, or am I just a more discerning reader? 00:59 jcamins eythian: I must be! 00:59 eythian why do you want non standard behaviour? Are you an anarchist? 00:57 jcamins 'Cause I have to change lots of settings if I want non-standard behavior. 00:57 jcamins Errr... should I be hating Linux? 00:56 jcamins "If you don't want the standard behavior you have to change a setting to get non-default behavior." 00:56 jcamins I'm sure I wouldn't like it, but the reasons were silly. 00:56 * jcamins just read "eight reasons to hate Windows 8.1." 00:55 wizzyrea I have a ssd, it boots Mint wicked quick. 00:54 dcook Takes forever when creating a new user 00:54 dcook Windows 8 boots fast on the laptop here 00:54 * dcook ponders that 00:54 jcamins Almost as fast as Linux. 00:54 dcook I keep thinking about getting a new laptop and then scrubbing everything on both and putting Linux on both.. 00:54 jcamins It boots very fast. 00:54 jcamins There's one positive thing I'll say about Windows 8. 00:54 dcook ibeardslee++ 00:52 mtj yeah, afaik thats correct ^^ 00:51 jcamins mtj: really? I thought they did the 8.1 update because no one could use Windows 8. 00:50 mtj i've been telling dad that the 8.1 update might fix his borked laptop… only to hear its been causing so many BSODs that its been recalled :/ 00:46 jcamins dcook: install Cygwin, a decent terminal emulator, and you'll hardly be able to tell that you're running everything in a Linux VM. 00:46 mtj i might try pushing linux on dad, over xmas 00:45 dcook I'm divided on whether I should try to just run everything through a VM... 00:45 * ibeardslee managed to convert his mum's laptop to ubuntu 00:44 dcook eythian: I don't know if anyone is competent in Windows... 00:44 eythian I think I got off the train after windows 98. 00:44 eythian I'm not particularly competent in windows any more anyway. 00:44 eythian yeah, I refuse to tech support anything that's not Linux these days. 00:43 dcook For everything you've said since I arrived in channel 00:43 dcook wizzyrea: <3 00:42 wizzyrea "daaad... just use linux!" 00:41 mtj his app-store thingy broke about 4 weeks… now its impossible to install any software on it :/ 00:41 wizzyrea there we go 00:41 wizzyrea http://replygif.net/796 00:40 mtj its his 1st computer too, the poor guy 00:39 mtj dcook, i am officially 'tech support' for my dad's win8 laptop… i hate win8 soo much :/ 00:39 wizzyrea http://replygif.net/thumbnail/796.gif 00:38 wizzyrea banish him! 00:32 * dcook waves from windows 8...then cringes