Time  Nick         Message
00:32 * dcook      waves from windows 8...then cringes
00:38 wizzyrea     banish him!
00:39 wizzyrea     http://replygif.net/thumbnail/796.gif
00:39 mtj          dcook, i am officially 'tech support' for my dad's win8 laptop… i hate win8 soo much :/
00:40 mtj          its his 1st computer too, the poor guy
00:41 wizzyrea     http://replygif.net/796
00:41 wizzyrea     there we go
00:41 mtj          his app-store thingy broke about 4 weeks… now its impossible to install any software on it :/
00:42 wizzyrea     "daaad... just use linux!"
00:43 dcook        wizzyrea: <3
00:43 dcook        For everything you've said since I arrived in channel
00:44 eythian      yeah, I refuse to tech support anything that's not Linux these days.
00:44 eythian      I'm not particularly competent in windows any more anyway.
00:44 eythian      I think I got off the train after windows 98.
00:44 dcook        eythian: I don't know if anyone is competent in Windows...
00:45 * ibeardslee managed to convert his mum's laptop to ubuntu
00:45 dcook        I'm divided on whether I should try to just run everything through a VM...
00:46 mtj          i might try pushing linux on dad, over xmas
00:46 jcamins      dcook: install Cygwin, a decent terminal emulator, and you'll hardly be able to tell that you're running everything in a Linux VM.
00:50 mtj          i've been telling dad that the 8.1 update might fix his borked laptop…  only to hear its been causing so many BSODs that its been recalled :/
00:51 jcamins      mtj: really? I thought they did the 8.1 update because no one could use Windows 8.
00:52 mtj          yeah, afaik thats correct ^^
00:54 dcook        ibeardslee++
00:54 jcamins      There's one positive thing I'll say about Windows 8.
00:54 jcamins      It boots very fast.
00:54 dcook        I keep thinking about getting a new laptop and then scrubbing everything on both and putting Linux on both..
00:54 jcamins      Almost as fast as Linux.
00:54 * dcook      ponders that
00:54 dcook        Windows 8 boots fast on the laptop here
00:54 dcook        Takes forever when creating a new user
00:55 wizzyrea     I have a ssd, it boots Mint wicked quick.
00:56 * jcamins    just read "eight reasons to hate Windows 8.1."
00:56 jcamins      I'm sure I wouldn't like it, but the reasons were silly.
00:56 jcamins      "If you don't want the standard behavior you have to change a setting to get non-default behavior."
00:57 jcamins      Errr... should I be hating Linux?
00:57 jcamins      'Cause I have to change lots of settings if I want non-standard behavior.
00:59 eythian      why do you want non standard behaviour? Are you an anarchist?
00:59 jcamins      eythian: I must be!
01:00 jcamins      Was the technology press better in the past, or am I just a more discerning reader?
01:05 wizzyrea     democratisation of content creation increases the quantity of content, but not necessarily the quality.
01:06 wizzyrea     Though certainly there are people who wouldn't publish at all, if they didn't have the web.
01:06 wizzyrea     The Oatmeal, for example.
01:10 eythian      the tech press has gone a bit downhill I feel. More "top 10", less "here's a detailed review"
01:11 wizzyrea     top 10 is easy
01:21 dcook        All right. Time to power down and move this thing around...
01:50 dac          There, that should be better
01:50 dac          Hmm
01:52 wizzyrea     hrm. Fines paid at branch A for an item from branch B
01:52 wizzyrea     is that even possible?
01:52 wizzyrea     I don't think we keep *where* a fine is paid...
01:53 wizzyrea     except in relation to the user that did it...
01:53 wizzyrea     that should read "report out"
01:55 dcook        Hmm
01:56 dcook        I imagine most systems tend to share finances.
01:56 dcook        Err, public library systems.
01:56 * dcook      is fairly sure he was always able to pay his fines at any branch
01:56 dcook        Mind you, it only ever happened two or three times in my life, so...
01:56 wizzyrea     right, that's what they are doing, but they are separate entities financially
01:57 dcook        That seems odd(ish) to me
01:57 dcook        But I'm not an accountant.
01:57 wizzyrea     it's so they can determine how much they owe each other
01:57 wizzyrea     in reciprocal fines.
01:57 dcook        Yeah, I was just pondering that one
01:57 dcook        I think that's the sort of thing people might track with their POS?
01:57 dcook        Maybe not though
01:58 dcook        It's certainly interesting
01:58 wizzyrea     I think I can get the branch of the processing user (which may... or may not!) correspond to the branch where the fine was paid...
02:00 dcook        Sounds like a tricky one
02:00 wizzyrea     yeah, it does doesn't it.
02:01 dcook        (Unrelated note: The one good thing about Windows 8 is that it's making me look through all the different options and preferences...so now I'm changing things that used to irritate me in past versions. Of course, the things that annoy me about Windows 8 don't appear to be changeable...)
02:01 * dcook      can sometimes state the obvious, eh?
02:09 dcook        Yay, got rid of some of the annoying things...
02:09 dcook        Although in retrospect, it's not just Windows 8. It's also Office 2013...
02:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #227 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:17 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch '3.14.x' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=beacc2625a1d1fdbfedce84b5d37d72d8a0d81fe> / Update history.txt for Koha 3.14.0 release <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3fe0e784516309050fc5b6eda1ab7fdaf7643048> / release notes for Koha 3.14.0 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07b5f01c07b340f9d9cfaeaeb47d65cd640e2312> / DBR
02:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #1516 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:41 pastebot     "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "What obvious thing am I missing?!" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/2
02:45 mtompset     DOH! Found it.
03:12 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #227: UNSTABLE in 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/227/
03:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: DBRev 3.14.00.000: Koha 3.14.0
03:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: release notes for Koha 3.14.0
03:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Update history.txt for Koha 3.14.0 release
03:28 dcook        http://www.modern.ie/en-us/f12
03:28 dcook        So what you're saying is...when you follow web standards, you get better performance?
03:28 * dcook      wonders if IE 11 does follow web standards...
03:29 dcook        Has an "install new versions" automatically checkbox which is nice..
03:37 dcook        ie--
03:37 dcook        Still sucks
03:37 dcook        Ugh, and has extra stuff regular browsers don't as well..
03:41 dcook        Hmm, apparently you can run "apps" and applications at the same time
03:41 dcook        But "apps" don't appear on your desktop at all
03:41 dcook        ...
03:41 jcamins      dcook: well, IE is one of the best web browseres in the world.
03:41 jcamins      *browsers
03:41 dcook        I like it better as browseres :p
03:42 jcamins      There is no browser better for downloading Firefox than IE.
03:42 jcamins      Or downloading Chrome.
03:42 dcook        Totes
03:42 * dcook      is just thinking from a developer perspective
03:42 dcook        Someone is going to be using this
03:42 dcook        And it's awful
03:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #228 for job master_maria (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #226 8 hr 56 min ago)
03:54 eythian      I do not thing German spoken word comedy is likely to get me through the afternoon...
03:54 eythian      *think
03:54 * eythian    finds another album
03:56 dcook        Whoa, when you download Adobe Reader, they offer to package Chrome with it
03:57 * dcook      wonders if one day we'll be drinking Google bottled water...
03:58 eythian      wahanui: it's happening is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/YtKWRKk.gif
03:58 wahanui      OK, eythian.
04:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1516: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1516/
04:23 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: DBRev 3.14.00.000: Koha 3.14.0
04:23 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: release notes for Koha 3.14.0
04:23 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Update history.txt for Koha 3.14.0 release
04:24 mtompset     YAY!
04:25 gmcharlt     mtompset: new puppy?
04:25 gmcharlt     new kitten?
04:25 gmcharlt     ;)
04:25 mtompset     successful build.
04:26 mtompset     and I finally got some code working to parse a bunch of XML files to extract donor information.
04:26 mtompset     oh, and the release of 3.14 :)
04:27 BobB         gmcharlt ++
04:28 dcook        mtompset: If you want/have any tips, I'd be glad to know ;)
04:28 dcook        Looks like I need to re-run the HTML parsing I did for a friend the other day
04:28 dcook        And now I just got a problem of an mp3 trying to become a pdf
04:28 dcook        Nasty..
04:28 dcook        It should know its place
04:29 mtompset     I finally find a sample piece of code that did the nice recursive thing on the XML tree, so I was able to use that to find the nodes I want, and then build up arrays of hashes.
04:30 dcook        O_o
04:30 dcook        If you're not using xpath, you probably want to be
04:31 dcook        I wrote a recursive function that did something like you're describing but it didn't work anywhere near as good as using xpath
04:32 mtompset     Yes, but the problem is I don't know what the structure is going to be.
04:32 mtompset     xpath seems to require me knowing things.
04:32 dcook        Mmm, a certain amount of things
04:33 dcook        Being XML, there should be a certain amount of structure as well, no? o_O
04:34 mtompset     Yes, but not every donor node has the same information in it.
04:35 mtompset     addr1 yes, but sometimes an addr2, sometimes and addr3.
04:35 mtompset     anyways... I have something functional, even if it is ugly. :)
04:35 dcook        Not really sure what you mean, but I'm glad it worked out :)
04:35 dcook        Functional works :D
04:36 dcook        gmcharlt: Do you ever have trouble with your cat waking you up in the middle of the night with its meowing?
04:36 * dcook      figues the koha channel could double as cat support as well :p
04:37 gmcharlt     dcook: and pouncing on my toes, and standing on my chest, staring, and cuddling up right next to my ear and using her loudest purr...
04:37 dcook        How do you get to sleep?
04:37 * dcook      hasn't gotten that much sleep since getting back to Australia
04:38 dcook        I don't think the cats were pleased that I left
04:38 dcook        And now they're exacting brutal revenge
04:40 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
04:40 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #228: FIXED in 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/228/
04:41 gmcharlt     dcook: what is this concept you're referring to when you say "sleep"?
04:43 gmcharlt     http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-0-released/
04:44 mtompset     That's a lot of .po files coming down the pipe.
04:45 dcook        Yay 3.14.0!
04:45 dcook        gmcharlt++
04:45 dcook        Evidently, it's a concept with which you're not very familiar ;)
04:45 dcook        I usually get quite a bit of it, but those cats..
04:45 gmcharlt     how old are they?
04:46 dcook        Mmm, about 7 iirc
04:46 dcook        But the noisiest one acts even older
04:46 dcook        He's a grump
04:46 dcook        He's the ginger I post photos of all the time
04:51 gmcharlt     ours are about 13
04:53 dcook        How many do you have? I can only recall seeing the one
04:54 eythian      curious, in my email client font, π looks very much like Π
04:54 eythian      just smaller
04:54 eythian      without the wavy top I'm used to
04:55 gmcharlt     eythian: yeah, π doesn't look great in a sans serif font, IMO
04:55 gmcharlt     dcook: 3
04:56 rangi        gmcharlt++
04:57 gmcharlt     rangi++ # showing evidence of having actually looked at the release blog post ;)
04:57 rangi        :)
05:02 dcook        Touché, gmcharlt
05:02 * dcook      goes off to read it
05:03 dcook        hehe
05:03 dcook        gmcharlt++
05:04 mtompset     I guess tomorrow/today is roll a distribution day. :)
05:05 mtompset     Only 9?! I guess I should try to improve on that number. :P
05:09 dcook        This might sound weird, but I'm really pleased about the changing of the "Dropbox" label
05:10 dcook        When I first started using Koha, I thought it referred to the actual "Dropbox" product
05:10 * dcook      then went on to wonder why on Earth you'd want to integrate Koha and Dropbox
05:10 dcook        Particularly in circulation :p
05:11 dcook        Looks like a hell of a release
05:11 * dcook      will need to set up a new VM on this computer...looks like it'll be 3.14 :)
05:21 mtompset     Well, that blip seems like a good note to leave one.
05:21 mtompset     ^one^on^
05:21 mtompset     Have a great day, #koha.
05:21 mtompset     So long and thanks for the fish, gmcharlt. :)
05:21 mtompset     (the release of 3.14)
05:34 dpk1         Has anyone here played around with the new bootstrap theme and especially conversion from prog to bootstrap?
05:36 dcook        Not yet. Probably not for a while in my case :/
05:56 dpk1         I tried just switching over the theme and it got into some wierd loop where it kept putting a "logged out" window despite me doing nothing.  I think it might be related to the fact that we don't normally us logins on the OPAC
06:08 * dcook      despises the acquisitions module...
06:10 dcook        What the ever living...
06:22 dcook        saghsa;dghasg
06:23 dcook        When using AnonymousSuggestions in 3.8.0, all purchase suggestions are anonymous, even when logged on...
06:23 dcook        At least on ours...
06:27 dcook        Man 3.8 is so out of date..
06:28 dcook        Gotta love that old bug that wipes out your system preferences when searching...
06:28 dcook        Or rather, picks out the string..
06:29 * cait       waves
06:29 cait         time to go home dcook :)
06:29 dcook        I just ruined the userjs by doing a search then saving...
06:30 dcook        I'm sure we have a backup but I'm also sure I don't have access to it
06:30 dcook        Meeting up with folk at 8 as well and have some work to do for a friend before then, so 2.5 hours..
06:30 cait         go look in your action_logs
06:31 cait         if you are lucky you store syspref changes there :)
06:31 cait         ithas saved me a few itimes
06:33 dcook        I was just thinking action logs right before I clicked on this icon
06:33 dcook        Great idea, cait :)
06:34 dcook        You are a goddess, cait
06:34 cait         lol
06:35 dcook        If you didn't have the same (nick)name as my sister, I would name my first born after you
06:35 cait         nope, i just make mistakes myself
06:35 cait         you still can name it after your sister and ge 2 for one
06:35 cait         just don't tell her :P
06:36 dcook        lol
06:36 dcook        :P
06:50 cait         oh
06:50 cait         stupid timezones - i missed the pie party??
06:50 dcook        It wasn't much of a party :p
06:51 cait         then you all did it wrong and i am even more disappointed :)
06:55 dcook        hehe
06:56 dcook        It looks like a very good release based on the notes
07:01 cait         yeah we have been busy
07:01 cait         i only realize how busy when i see the release notes
07:01 cait         most of the time during the release i feel too slow :)
07:11 wizzyrea     Pi!
07:11 wizzyrea     Pi!
07:11 wizzyrea     confetti!
07:11 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
07:11 wizzyrea     more confetti!
07:11 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
07:11 wizzyrea     gmcharlt++
07:39 * Oak        waves
07:39 Oak          @seen Brooke
07:39 huginn       Oak: Brooke was last seen in #koha 9 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, 32 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Brooke> hey cait :D
07:39 magnuse      Pi! gmcharlt++
07:39 cait         hi Oak :)
07:39 cait         hi magnuse :)
07:39 cait         gmcharlt++
07:39 Oak          hello Katrin!
07:39 Oak          magnuse
07:40 magnuse      Oak:
07:40 Oak          gmcharlt++
07:40 magnuse      gah, stupid tab complete ;-)
07:40 Oak          :)
07:40 cait         have to go to work :) bbiab
07:40 marcelr      hi #koha
07:40 Oak          later cait
07:41 Oak          hello marcelr
07:41 cait         good morning marcelr :)
07:41 marcelr      hi Oak cait
07:41 magnuse      hiya marcelr
07:41 marcelr      hi magnuse
07:46 * magnuse    chastises himself for signing off one less patch than he contributed to Pi
07:54 reiveune     hello
07:54 Oak          Bonjour reiveune !
08:10 * cait       waves
08:12 wizzyrea     mornin cait
08:12 cait         hi wizzyrea
08:12 cait         pi1
08:12 cait         pi!
08:17 marcelr      cait: could you please check my patch on the release team changes?
08:17 marcelr      bug 7143
08:17 wahanui      i heard bug 7143 was ready for an easy signoff
08:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
08:17 marcelr      right wahanui
08:17 cait         marcelr: yes, but not before tonight, someone might beat me to it
08:18 marcelr      ok thanks
08:18 cait         I've sent myself a reminder email - thx for taking care of this
08:31 gaetan_B     hello
08:34 wizzyrea     pi! pi! pi!
08:34 wizzyrea     strawberry! Rhubarb! Boysenberry! Coconut cream!
08:34 cait         yum!
08:34 wizzyrea     steak and cheese!
08:34 cait         huh?
08:34 wizzyrea     bacon and blue cheese!
08:34 cait         oh savoury, good idea :)
08:34 wizzyrea     pi!
08:35 wizzyrea     vegetarian pi!
08:37 cait         you are excited, hm? :)
08:38 rangi        evening
08:38 cait         mushroom pi!
08:38 cait         hi rangi
08:39 magnuse      pi! pi!
08:42 wizzyrea     I am as excited as the moment dictates ;)
08:42 wizzyrea     WHICH IS A LOT.
08:42 cait         heh :)
08:42 wizzyrea     confetti!
08:42 wahanui      confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
08:42 cait         :)
08:42 wizzyrea     more confetti!
08:42 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
08:42 cait         lol
08:42 magnuse      much more confetti!
08:43 magnuse      aww...
08:47 wizzyrea     hehe
08:47 wizzyrea     http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2064495/confetti-o.gif
08:57 cait         hm we should have a new role
08:57 cait         have someoen dedicated to send the release notes around and do some advertising :)
08:58 cait         Koha pi?
08:58 wahanui      Koha pi is coming.
08:58 cait         forget koha pie
08:58 cait         forget kohe pi
08:58 cait         gr
08:58 cait         forget koha pi
08:58 wahanui      cait: I forgot koha pi
08:58 cait         Koha Pi is http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-0-released/
08:58 cait         koha pi?
08:58 wahanui      koha pi is http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-0-released/
08:58 cait         wizzyrea: as you are here
08:58 cait         is the responsive opac up to date?
08:58 cait         responsive?
08:58 wahanui      responsive is looking real nice
08:58 cait         bootstrap?
08:58 wahanui      bootstrap is running in a demo at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz. It tracks, reasonably closely, the current master version of Koha.
08:59 cait         compiling an email to the coworkers about pi :)
09:15 wizzyrea     it should be
09:16 wizzyrea     it's reasonably close to master
09:16 wizzyrea     our demo at demo.mykoha.co.nz will go up to 3.14 when the packages are ready
09:18 wizzyrea     but it probably won't ahve the responsive theme on.
09:18 wizzyrea     but responsive will keep the default :)
09:18 wizzyrea     it's the better of the two anyway - better data.
09:18 wizzyrea     (for the moment)
09:50 wizzyrea     http://25.media.tumblr.com/ac45cce196c9d764303bc8b6537eaee4/tumblr_mt0itbYc4E1snj781o1_250.gif
09:51 wizzyrea     http://media.tumblr.com/db967459f8014b46901bfa6cd67a3958/tumblr_inline_mjgpt8aqiJ1qz4rgp.gif
10:06 wizzyrea     right. Enjoy your Pi, I will catch you all in about 8 hours. :)
12:32 tcohen       gmcharlt++ # you rock
12:36 tcohen       morning #koha
12:52 marcelr      koha 3,14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 41971 69399 37510 !
12:55 tcohen       :-)
12:56 cait         ?
12:56 cait         hi tcohen :)
12:56 tcohen       hicait
12:57 * tcohen     is trying to apply 10684 on 3.12.x
13:00 tcohen       confetti!
13:00 wahanui      confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
13:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #126 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:41 khall        mornin cait, #koha!
13:43 tcohen       hi khall!
13:51 cait         hi khall :)
15:00 oleonard     Hi #koha
15:07 cait         hi oleonard :)
15:15 cait         i think i am one step closer with the quote of the day problem
15:15 oleonard     Oh yeah? What have you found?
15:16 cait         it seems to not like when you are missing ids
15:16 cait         i did some renumbering and suddenly the quote showed up
15:16 cait         but still doing tests
15:17 cait         ok, i have got 2 quotes - both have no date yet, ids are 3 and 4
15:17 cait         no quote is shown
15:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #229 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED)
15:17 cait         id 1 and 4 - still no quote
15:17 cait         id's are 1 and 2 - quote shows up
15:18 cait         ids
15:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1517 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:20 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11207: fix issue where SMS number couldn't be cleared when editing patron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b15f25d8c672d198cd074fd16f01e1f67fef955e> / DBRev 3.15.00.000: on to what comes after Pi <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7ca5ad5af274b7236dbb22291a4c08599d99305>
15:25 cait         *sigh* i am not sure how this works.
15:26 cait         ugh
15:26 cait         i think i see it
15:26 cait         it does a count
15:26 cait         on the entries in the table
15:27 cait         and then picks a quote in the range of 1-count
15:27 cait         when you have deleted a lot of the older entries, it will never find one
15:30 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10809: use branches template plugin in serials search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ca790997ed6adebb7edafc04b6f1aa136ce7cc2>
15:37 rambutan     gmcharlt++
15:45 cait         bug 11279
15:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11279 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Quote of the day feature won't pick a quote
15:45 cait         now i feel better
15:45 cait         i had bugs I can't explain
15:45 cait         hate even :)
15:46 ashimema     well found cait
15:49 gmcharlt     a not entirely satisfying way of addressing it: select * from quotes order by rand() limit 1;
15:49 gmcharlt     not portable, though
15:49 jcamins      Randomly generated offset?
15:49 cait         mysqlism?
15:49 cait         is there a function to do a rand on a list of numbers?
15:49 gmcharlt     mysql has rand(), pg ha random()
15:50 cait         we could just not do a count, but have the ids
15:50 cait         hm
15:50 cait         not sure i can explain myself.
15:51 gmcharlt     one could fetch the entire list of quotes, then writer Perl to select a random ne
15:51 gmcharlt     *one
15:51 cait         it might be not too bad on that table, it's not supposed to get really huge. but you never knwo what libraries will do :)
15:51 gmcharlt     thousands of quotes == maybe write a cronjob to select the daily one
15:52 cait         gmcharlt: could you take a look at the removing of the doubled template plugins sometime?
15:52 jcamins      gmcharlt: you don't have to fetch the entire table.
15:52 cait         the one we use for branches now has a diacritics problem and the patch would solve it I think
15:52 gmcharlt     cait: ok
15:52 jcamins      SELECT * FROM quotes ORDER BY id LIMIT $offset, 1;
15:53 gmcharlt     jcamins: yeah, that would work
15:54 cait         jcamins: what is offset in that case?
15:54 jcamins      cait: randomly generated.
15:54 cait         from what?
15:54 jcamins      The count.
15:54 cait         ah
15:55 jcamins      Get a count of records in the table that haven't been used today, and then choose an offset between 0 and COUNT-1.
15:55 cait         hmm and who sends a patch now? ;)
15:56 jcamins      Not me.
15:56 cait         do you have your finger on your nose right now? :)
15:56 jcamins      lol
15:56 jcamins      Yes.
15:56 jcamins      :P
15:56 cait         I am not sure when iw ill get to it, but hopefully sometime soon
16:11 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #229: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/229/
16:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: DBRev 3.15.00.000: on to what comes after Pi
16:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11207: fix issue where SMS number couldn't be cleared when editing patron
16:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11207 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Impossibility to remove a sms number
16:12 cait         bye all
16:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #230 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:21 * oleonard   is just a little disappointed that gmcharlt didn't wait until 3:14PM today for the release...
16:22 nengard      hehe
16:23 rambutan     :)
16:23 gmcharlt     oleonard: which time zone? ;)
16:23 oleonard     Yours of course :P
16:24 * gmcharlt   doesn't think he could have held out that long against the tide of people asking "is it out yet?"
16:24 gmcharlt     @arewethereyet
16:24 huginn       gmcharlt: YES!
17:05 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #230: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/230/
17:05 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10809: use branches template plugin in serials search
17:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10809 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , use template branches plugin in serials search
17:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #126: FAILURE in 3 hr 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/126/
17:13 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10684: add regression test
17:13 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10684: make sure that Koha search does not dies on undecodable records
17:13 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10684: (follow-up) adjust how undecodable records are logged
17:13 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10684 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Koha search dies on undecodable records
17:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #127 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #125 1 day 1 hr ago)
17:19 gaetan_B     bye !
17:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1517: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1517/
17:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: DBRev 3.15.00.000: on to what comes after Pi
17:22 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11207: fix issue where SMS number couldn't be cleared when editing patron
17:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11207 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Impossibility to remove a sms number
17:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #1518 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:32 * cait       waves
17:35 rambutan     waves
17:37 tcohen       o/
17:37 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
17:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #127: FIXED in 23 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/127/
17:42 cait         chris_n`: around? :)
17:46 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11245: fix typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a4fa0a80307bf61a82a180220504c633000db7f>
17:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #231 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:56 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10996: Allow numeric subfields to be stripped on export <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=248283fc29b46f59c56769a14f8d811cc61834ff>
17:56 tcohen       gmcharlt: around?
17:57 gmcharlt     tcohen: yep
17:57 tcohen       i wrote you an chris, and noticed you launched a new build for master
17:57 tcohen       would you try deleting the cover_db contents before launching the build?
18:00 tcohen       and congrats for the pi release, is a great milestone in terms of stability and evolution of the project
18:01 gmcharlt     tcohen: I will look into it -- I want to check to see if keeping the cover_db around is useful for tracking changes in coverage
18:01 gmcharlt     and secondarily, figure out if we care
18:02 gmcharlt     and thanks!
18:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #128 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: FIXED)
18:11 pug          Hi guys -- I was looking for a command line tool (not the GUI based marc edit)- to convert csv to any format usable by bulkmarcimport.pl . Any suggestions for such a tool?
18:12 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
18:24 tcohen       chris_n`: around?
18:31 chris_n      tcohen: here
18:32 rangi        gmcharlt: its not needed for tracking coverage change, cos im logging that in jenkins
18:32 tcohen       chris_n: C4/Labels/Label.pm
18:33 gmcharlt     rangi: then you see no bar to running with tcohen's suggestion?
18:33 tcohen       C4::Labels::Label->_guide_box
18:33 rangi        nope ive made that change now
18:33 tcohen       rangi++
18:34 tcohen       chris_n: what's the expected behaviour when no parameters are passed?
18:34 mtompset     tcohen++ # for a good suggestion. Ummm what was it? ;)
18:34 rangi        however there is a bigger issue, it doesnt seem to be using a 3.12 db, or running 3.12.x code
18:34 * chris_n    looks
18:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #128: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/128/
18:34 rangi        18:11:38 OPAC: Database update needed, redirecting to maintenance. Database is 3.1300015 and Koha is 3.1300042 at /var/lib/jenkins/workspace/Koha_3.12.x/C4/Auth.pm line 578.
18:35 rangi        which is weird
18:35 rangi        18:50:10 Commencing build of Revision 29825475bfb38a77738ffd1789cb2ba88f3a62ad (origin/3.12.x)
18:35 rangi        18:50:10 Checking out Revision 29825475bfb38a77738ffd1789cb2ba88f3a62ad (origin/3.12.x)
18:35 tcohen       those hashes are right
18:36 rangi        19:07:25 OPAC: Database update needed, redirecting to maintenance. Database is 3.1300015 and Koha is 3.1300042 at /var/lib/jenkins/workspace/Koha_3.12.x/C4/Auth.pm line 578.
18:36 rangi        something weird is happening
18:37 tcohen       the conf files
18:37 tcohen       point to master
18:37 rangi        hmm i thought you changed that?
18:37 tcohen       opacdir, opachtdos
18:38 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #231: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/231/
18:38 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11245: fix typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string
18:38 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11245 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string
18:38 chris_n      tcohen: if no parameters are passed in it should return nothing (which clearly it does not do atm)
18:38 rangi        ah that would do it
18:38 tcohen       ok, i'll fix it rangi
18:38 rangi        thanks
18:38 chris_n      that minimizes collateral damage at least
18:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #232 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:38 chris_n      really there should be some feedback to the user
18:39 * cait       waves
18:39 tcohen       i'll take a look chris_n
18:40 tcohen       rangi: will it delete the cover_db files?
18:40 chris_n      tcohen: the easiest fix would be to drop in a check and simply return if no params are sent along
18:40 * chris_n    has found guide boxes to be only minimally useful in practice
18:41 rangi        it should now yep
18:41 * tcohen     is trying
18:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #129 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:42 rangi        cool
18:42 chris_n      heya rangi
18:45 pastebot     "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "rangi: is it a Java thing (tm)+?" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/3
18:45 rangi        most likely
18:54 gmcharlt     rangi++
18:55 cait         rangi++ and gmcharlt++
19:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #129: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/129/
19:07 cait         brb
19:07 tcohen       byeeee
19:28 cait         back
19:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1518: SUCCESS in 2 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1518/
19:30 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10809: use branches template plugin in serials search
19:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10809 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , use template branches plugin in serials search
19:30 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #232: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/232/
19:30 jenkins_koha Colin Campbell: Bug 10996: Allow numeric subfields to be stripped on export
19:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10996 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Cannot exclude numeric subfields on export
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19:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #130 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:45 mtompset     Well, that's a weird name change.
19:45 mtompset     Allow to be stripped -> Cannot exclude?!
19:58 cait         ?
20:00 oleonard     Bug 10996?
20:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10996 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Cannot exclude numeric subfields on export
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20:27 bag          afternoon all :)
20:27 bag          gmcharlt++
20:28 cait         hi bag :)
20:28 rambutan     bag!
20:28 mtompset     Greetings, bag rambutan
20:28 rambutan     mtompset!
20:28 wahanui      mtompset is, like, catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry
20:28 bag          :)
20:29 mtompset     Yes, that I am. Finally wrote some XML extracting code to tell me things from these confounded monthly reports. :)
20:29 mtompset     And yes, cait, my Allow to Cannot comment was about the bug oleonard pointed at.
20:30 mtompset     visible in the jenkins build.
20:30 rangi        its not that confusing mtompset
20:30 cait         mtompset: sorry, not sure i remember
20:30 rangi        you just had it round the wrong way
20:30 rangi        the bug is Cannot
20:30 rangi        the patch Allows it
20:30 rangi        ie fixing the cannot
20:31 mtompset     No, it isn't that confusing. Just weird having two different names pop up beside each other. Requires that extra thinking cycle.
20:32 rangi        hmm i dont understand that hourly loans question at all
20:32 * rangi      passes on that one
20:33 cait         i am not sure i want to try and answer...
20:33 oleonard     Doesn't know that loan policy is tied to item type, not authorised values?
20:33 cait         would be my guess too
20:34 wizzyrea     well you can't do loan policy according to location
20:34 wizzyrea     so he has got it the wrong way around.
20:34 wizzyrea     he needs to have two item types, and one location
20:34 cait         or no location at all
20:34 wizzyrea     or just two item types
20:34 cait         yeah :)
20:34 wizzyrea     hehe yea :)
20:35 * oleonard   will answer
20:35 cait         oleonard++
20:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #396 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:36 wizzyrea     oleonard++ - for leaping on that hand grenade
20:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #396: SUCCESS in 59 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/396/
20:36 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add AcqItemSetSubfieldsWhenReceived
20:36 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add AutoRemoveOverduesRestrictions
20:36 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update over triggers with AutoRemoveOverduesRestrictions
20:36 cait         does someone know how i can stop my git speaking german?
20:36 cait         can you tell it to stop that?
20:37 * cait       thinks it's like watching big bang theory with german synchronisation
20:37 wizzyrea     Dear Katrin's git: stop speaking german! Love, me
20:37 cait         lol
20:37 mtompset     wizzyrea++ # love the humour. :)
20:37 wizzyrea     actually, when you were testing the locale thing, did you set it to de-DE
20:37 wizzyrea     maybe git is picking up on it.
20:37 cait         i always had it to de-DE
20:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #131 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:38 cait         but someone mut have translated it... it started when i updated my ubuntu
20:38 jcamins      cait: Achtung! Deutsch zu sprechen ist nicht erlaubt!
20:38 cait         lol
20:38 mtompset     Did your locale change?
20:38 wizzyrea     perhaps you can tell git to use a specific locale instead of the system one
20:38 * wizzyrea   really has no idea
20:38 cait         maybe i will just switch the system one... in english things often make more sense
20:38 oleonard     [off] Direct email reply to me in 3.... 2... 1...
20:38 cait         especially when i am trying to google an error
20:39 wizzyrea     http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10633564/how-does-one-change-the-language-of-the-command-line-interface-of-git
20:39 jcamins      You have to say that very firmly, though, or git will just say "Nein! Ich werde sprechen Deutsch, wenn ich will!"
20:39 mtompset     [off] Really?
20:40 oleonard     [off] /me is being a pessimist
20:40 rangi        chrispin is usually pretty good
20:41 mtompset     [off] Didn't want to accuse you of pessimism, just in case it was true, because it is possible. :)
20:41 * oleonard   has had a pessimism-inducing week
20:41 wizzyrea     frownies.
20:42 mtompset     Sorry to hear that, oleonard. :(
20:42 cait         wizzyrea++
20:42 cait         no longer KONFLIKT but CONFLICT
20:42 wizzyrea     \o/
20:42 * mtompset   cheers.
20:42 wizzyrea     stackoverflow++
20:43 wizzyrea     549 I can get a ferry leaving 26dec and returning 30dec
20:43 wizzyrea     (for all of us)
20:44 cait         wrong window? :)
20:44 rangi        heh
20:44 cait         although i like the ferry idea :)
20:44 wizzyrea     :D
20:45 wizzyrea     hehe yes, wrong window
20:45 wizzyrea     at least it wasn't something actually embarrassing.
20:47 oleonard     At least you didn't mention how many murder victims/pounds of cocaine/counterfeit beanie babies you were ferrying
20:48 gmcharlt     wizzyrea: I misread that rather badly
20:48 gmcharlt     I had visions of a ferry carting MARC tags around
20:48 cait         lol
20:48 oleonard     This new RDA stuff really is confusing!
20:49 rangi        this is pretty sweet
20:49 rangi        http://www.wetanz.com/proceeds-from-the-new-zealand-gala-premiere-of-the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-to-go-to-local-charity/
20:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #397 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #397: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/397/
20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add StaffDetailItemSelection
20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add optional way to edit items with checkboxes
20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add optional way to delete items with checkboxes
20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix styling on edit items
20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add note about batch item modification to item edits
20:50 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add WhenLostChargeReplacementFee
20:50 rangi        that marine education center is just down the road from us, we go there lots
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20:55 mtompset     gmcharlt++ # I saw MARC codes too. :)
20:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #1519 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #131: FAILURE in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/131/
21:11 trea         hey has anyone ever seen this error running fines.pl?
21:11 pastebot     "trea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "fines.pl cron error" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/4
21:12 wizzyrea     looks like you have an invalid date in your data.
21:12 wizzyrea     (to me)
21:13 wizzyrea     0000-00-00 23:59:00
21:14 rangi        yep
21:15 wizzyrea     choosing issue rule at circ time - interesting idea.
21:15 trea         so, since it's fines.pl, I should be checking dates in the items table perhaps?
21:15 wizzyrea     issues probably
21:15 trea         issues, k. i'll start there.
21:15 rangi        the dates in the items table are really only used for display
21:16 rangi        and searching
21:16 wahanui      i heard searching was not working
21:16 trea         ah, k. thanks.
21:16 trea         wizzyrea++
21:16 trea         rangi++
21:17 eythian      oh great, now you've gone and made wizzyrea and rangi slower and more complicated.
21:19 cait         ?
21:19 cait         wizzyrea: i have seen ILS where you coudl do htat
21:20 rangi        thats a 123 if ever i saw it
21:20 rangi        just set the loan to 2 weeks
21:20 cait         wizzyrea: like select a special, short or unlimited loan on circ
21:20 rangi        or whatever
21:20 rangi        then use the picker to override it
21:20 rangi        or better
21:20 rangi        DONT BE SO NEEDLESSLY COMPLEX
21:20 cait         hehe
21:20 rangi        ffs people
21:20 cait         i just say i have seen that
21:20 cait         :)
21:20 wizzyrea     yea definitely - I forgot about the picker
21:21 wizzyrea     Just use the damn picker to set the due date. :)
21:21 cait         like for teachers - they got 10 books as unlimited loans in that library
21:21 wizzyrea     I will amend my reply
21:21 rangi        do we want people to use the library or not
21:21 cait         so you could then say - ok, this one goes out unlimited/forever
21:21 * cait       hides
21:21 jcamins      rangi: not. Of course. Right?
21:21 eythian      cait: well, there was C, then there was C++
21:21 cait         i see
21:22 rangi        jcamins: that seems to be the prevailing view
21:22 rangi        libraries are for librarians
21:23 rangi        at least if you did a case study of what libraries fund in koha
21:23 rangi        thats the conclusion you would draw
21:23 rangi        </pet peeve>
21:23 wizzyrea     ^^ what he said.
21:25 wizzyrea     also, i didn't say it was a *good* idea. Just that it was interesting. :P
21:25 wizzyrea     interesting
21:25 wahanui      i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:25 wizzyrea     ^
21:26 jcamins      eythian: then there was D, which no one has ever heard of anyone using.
21:28 talljoy      librarians seem to be on a mission to make themselves obsolete sometimes.
21:28 talljoy      and not in a good way
21:28 rangi        talljoy: yeah, its kinda odd
21:28 rangi        of course im totally generalising here
21:29 rangi        there are plenty of libraries that are doing cool things
21:29 talljoy      of course.  and i'm a librarian and i don't intend that.
21:29 talljoy      but we do encounter some odd ducks out there from time to time.
21:29 rangi        yup
21:30 talljoy      i've been trying to track down khall with a question about some dev he's installed for me.
21:30 talljoy      but khall is mia and i'm trying to ping him in every medium i can
21:30 rangi        heh
21:30 jcamins      talljoy: want me to call him for you? YO! KHALL! talljoy wants to talk with you.
21:30 rangi        speaking of libraries doing cool things
21:30 JesseM       Who is ready for a little Thanksgiving Turkey? http://www.steak-enthusiast.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/554087_460869160621090_639574201_n.jpg
21:30 talljoy      but would any of y'all know why the web installer keeps wanting run when i've already run the updatedatase?
21:31 talljoy      what is triggering that installer?
21:31 talljoy      thanks jcamins!
21:31 rangi        Te Takere won the supreme award at the Association of Local Goverment Information Management awards earlier this week
21:31 cait         woohoo
21:31 jcamins      talljoy: probably a merge error that put an actual version number in the new development's upgrade stanza.
21:31 cait         te_takere++
21:31 * jcamins    heads home.
21:31 talljoy      te_takere++
21:31 talljoy      does he get a crown?
21:32 talljoy      cuz that sounds like the kind of thing that one earns a crown and scepter for.  "supreme award"
21:32 rangi        :)
21:33 cait         a higher number in kohaversion.pl than the hights in updatedatabase would do it too i think
21:33 wizzyrea     Te Takere = HLT
21:33 rangi        http://www.tetakere.org.nz/
21:33 talljoy      okay thanks cait and jcamins!
21:35 cait         hm ok
21:35 cait         question about the new debarred feature
21:35 cait         houldn't i be able to add more than one restriction?
21:36 talljoy      doubly debarred?
21:37 cait         not sure, but the interface seemed to indicate i could
21:37 rangi        you are really really debarred
21:37 cait         lol
21:37 wizzyrea     I mean it!
21:37 rangi        yeah doesnt make a lot of sense
21:37 cait         i thought for different reasons with different dates
21:37 cait         and just saying the interface made me think it
21:38 rangi        i dedicate this one to te takere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg
21:38 rangi        It has worked! How sweet Koha can be. This problem has been troubling
21:38 wizzyrea     :D
21:38 rangi        me for three years now. You have just solved my problem. I now can go
21:38 rangi        to bed with a smile on my face. Its 30 minutes before mid night here
21:38 rangi        in Zambia. Cheers and good night
21:39 rangi        wizzyrea++
21:39 wizzyrea     ^ makes the rest of it ok :)
21:39 cait         so... if it doesn't domultiple
21:39 cait         what is the new borrower_debarments table for?
21:39 rangi        cait: no idea
21:40 cait         KHALL! :)
21:40 cait         might work better in nice: khall? :)
21:40 wizzyrea     suggestion about the issue date picker
21:40 rangi        @seen khall
21:40 huginn       rangi: khall was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <khall> mornin cait, #koha!
21:40 wizzyrea     for hourly loans
21:41 wizzyrea     it really ought to be something like "in x hours" in addition to being able to specify a specific time.
21:41 rangi        that would be cool
21:42 cait         wizzyrea: agreed
21:42 wizzyrea     because now you have to look at the clock, and figure out what time it will be due yourself
21:42 wizzyrea     a little awkward.
21:42 cait         ok, i think mulitple should work
21:42 cait         http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2720
21:42 huginn       04Bug 2720: enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned
21:44 cait         yeah this is seriously broken:(
21:45 cait         ohok, i managed
21:45 cait         maybe it's only broken from that page
21:45 wizzyrea     oh man that's one that I have my name on from back in the day. Wowie.
21:45 gmcharlt     multiple reasons makes sense, actually
21:45 gmcharlt     1. you have stuff overdue
21:45 gmcharlt     2. you have fines
21:46 gmcharlt     3. you dropped your card on the floor and we won't enable privleges until you come back to pick your card
21:46 cait         can someone confirm maybe? I can add multiples from the check out tab (tab restrictions) but not from the details tab editing the patron, enither using the 'full' edit or the 'small' edit link
21:47 cait         and... there it overwrites my existing one when i add the second :(
21:47 wizzyrea     do you have to turn it on
21:48 cait         do we require unit tests for TT plugins?
21:48 wizzyrea     I don't see a restrictions tab... oh wait
21:48 cait         wizzyrea: maybe it only shows up when oyu have 1 at least
21:48 cait         it's where you have checouts, holds...
21:48 cait         try adding one from edit patron - then move to checkouts tab and you should see it
21:49 wizzyrea     one moment. I may not be running the correct code to see that :P
21:49 wizzyrea     right ok 2sec
21:50 wizzyrea     yus I see now
21:51 wizzyrea     http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/2772/12la.png well that's confusing.
21:52 cait         there i managed to add 2
21:52 cait         no problem
21:52 cait         but when you go to Edit, i had problems
21:52 wizzyrea     yea, I think perhaps that interface needs to be removed
21:52 cait         it keeps overwrting the existing one
21:52 wizzyrea     in favor of this one.
21:52 cait         hm i think keeping the possible 2 restrictions together is ok
21:52 wizzyrea     but we still have to support old restrictions
21:52 cait         but it should not overwrite and work the same everywhere
21:52 wizzyrea     did you look at my screencap?
21:52 wizzyrea     borrower is restricted, borrower has no restrictions.
21:52 wizzyrea     errrr
21:53 cait         oh you rstricted and it doesn't show
21:53 cait         i hadn't that happen
21:53 cait         oh my.
21:53 wizzyrea     I restricted through edit
21:53 cait         i am opening a bug, maybe you can add that?
21:53 wizzyrea     yep
21:54 cait         i wonder if someone checked if this new handling will give trouble when you import debarred patrons... but that later
21:56 cait         bug 11282
21:56 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11282 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Not possible to create multiple restrictions from patron details/new restriction overwrites existing
21:59 * eythian    changes away from weird German music for the morning.
22:11 wizzyrea     if you have a restriction done on the edit screen, putting in a new one with the new system overwrites/loses it
22:11 wizzyrea     as well.
22:11 wizzyrea     eep
22:11 wizzyrea     oh wait... once the old debarment is gone, the interface changes!
22:12 cait         it's confusing :(
22:12 cait         i think it's actually not 2 different things, but all mixed up
22:12 wizzyrea     yes, well we're losing data on that.
22:12 cait         because the old gui was changed to match the one on the new tab
22:13 cait         if thatmakes sense.. restrictions tab and edit page look the same - so it shoudl be the smae thing
22:13 cait         update severity?
22:14 wizzyrea     I need to test that again.
22:14 wizzyrea     the borrower I was using
22:14 wizzyrea     had an existing, pre upgrade debarment
22:14 wizzyrea     and I lost it when I added one with the new system
22:15 wizzyrea     which... seems bad
22:15 wizzyrea     but I'm going to try that again
22:16 wizzyrea     http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4182/6kog.png < 3.12
22:17 wizzyrea     http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4810/zegv.png < 3.14
22:18 wizzyrea     if you click "view restrictions" you get the screenshot I posted earlier
22:18 cait         i think we need owen or kyle maybe...
22:18 cait         to verify how this should work
22:18 wizzyrea     It appears that my old restriction is gone: http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/7091/kq2j.png
22:19 cait         but there is somthing seriously wrong with it right now
22:19 wizzyrea     well we lose the old restrictions when new ones are added.
22:19 cait         i didn't have an old one
22:19 wizzyrea     that's a problem? I feel like it is.
22:19 cait         and kept losing one added with hte new system as well
22:19 cait         if you go to edit patron
22:19 cait         it says add restriction - and you expect it to do the same as it does on the restriction tab
22:20 cait         only it did overwrite my prviously added manual all the time
22:20 wizzyrea     yep, i see that too
22:20 wizzyrea     yea your bug is definitely valid
22:21 wizzyrea     my thought is get rid of adding restrictions from the edit screen altogether.
22:21 wizzyrea     I much prefer this new interface, makes a lot more sense.
22:21 cait         hm i think have the same on both
22:21 cait         i think it#s thought to do that
22:22 cait         it just doesn't work
22:22 cait         well... just
22:22 cait         i should sleep :)
22:22 wizzyrea     do you really need it in both?
22:22 cait         thx wizzyrea for double checking and testing
22:22 cait         i think because it used to be there for ages
22:22 * wizzyrea   is not sure that you do, except ^
22:22 cait         it would be really confusing to not have it there
22:22 wizzyrea     then again you're moving it out right in front of people's faces
22:23 wizzyrea     which would be *less* confusing for new users
22:23 cait         i will have to think a bit about it
22:23 cait         butit should NOT be broken ;)
22:23 wizzyrea     yes it should not be broken :)
22:23 cait         and youneed to be able t import debarred patrons
22:23 cait         which i should check next
22:23 cait         but tomorrow
22:23 wahanui      rumour has it tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today
22:23 wizzyrea     I think you can still do that. it'll just be a different method.
22:24 wizzyrea     losing a debarment is kind of a big deal though :/
22:26 wizzyrea     if you have two debarments, it only overwrites the first one.
22:26 cait         wizzyrea: it needs to work the same, i don't care what it does internally :)
22:26 cait         filing another bug about the translatability issue
22:27 wizzyrea     it's definitely wonky.
22:28 eythian      has something huge been pushed into git.k-c.org?
22:28 eythian      I just pulled 14MB from it
22:28 eythian      oh, probably new translations
22:28 wizzyrea     OH cait, it's *updating* the debarment from the edit page
22:28 wizzyrea     changing the comment
22:28 wizzyrea     weird.
22:29 cait         wizzyrea: i think it shouldn't be updating ever - not unless there is an edit option
22:29 cait         hm.
22:29 cait         how do you tell it updated?
22:29 wizzyrea     yea, you should have to tick a box "update this restriction"
22:29 wizzyrea     in the borrower_debarment table, it says "updated"
22:29 cait         or just an edit link that opens up the fields
22:29 cait         more standard
22:29 wizzyrea     ^ that
22:30 wizzyrea     if you create one with the tab, it doesn't have an "updated" timestamp
22:30 cait         well i will sleep and maybe nudge khall_away about it tomorrow
22:30 cait         he will at least know how it should owrk
22:30 cait         good night all :)
22:30 wizzyrea     *nod*
22:42 rangi        right, steak time
22:42 rangi        cyas later
22:47 dcook        Mmm food
22:48 jcamins      Mmm. Fennel.
22:49 jcamins      I should have some fennel.
22:49 dcook        I wanted to look up some photos of fennel to make sure it was what I thought it was
22:49 dcook        But I wrote "define fennel"
22:49 dcook        Technically it worked but not exactly what I was looking for..
22:50 dcook        Apparently it's relatively high in Vitamin C...hmm
22:52 jcamins      What shall I do with the fennel?
22:53 dcook        Look at it, cook it, and then eat it.
22:53 * dcook      realizes that isn't very helpful at all.
22:53 jcamins      Heh.
22:53 jcamins      Good plan.
22:53 jcamins      How shall I implement step 2?
22:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1519: SUCCESS in 1 hr 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1519/
22:53 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11245: fix typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string
22:53 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10996: Allow numeric subfields to be stripped on export
22:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11245 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string
22:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10996 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Cannot exclude numeric subfields on export
22:55 jcamins      Huffington Post has 25 suggestions.
22:55 jcamins      Let's see what they are.
22:57 jcamins      Caramelized fennel tarts.
22:57 jcamins      Oh yes.
22:57 jcamins      That sounds wonderful.
22:57 jcamins      But a little too time-consuming for right now.
22:57 dcook        Mmm, that does sound delicious though.