Time Nick Message 00:02 dcook Awkwardly funny? :p 00:04 mtompset How did the issue of porn get raised?! 00:04 pianohacker oh hi mtompset 00:04 pianohacker on that note, time to run away and work on school stuff 00:04 pianohacker bye all 00:04 mtompset Bye, pianohacker. :) 00:09 mtompset YAY! less messy code and it still works. 00:13 WaylonR hiya all! 00:13 mtompset Greetings, WaylonR. :) 00:13 WaylonR mtompset, hiya, progress? 00:13 mtompset Other bugs first, sorry. 00:13 WaylonR thats cool. 00:18 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 00:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #122: FIXED in 1 hr 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/122/ 00:50 mtompset Oh sucky. Rework to mean coding guidelines. 00:51 mtompset ^mean^meet^ 01:03 peggy Good evening! 01:04 peggy I used a sandbox for the first time tonight. It was very easy. 01:05 peggy But I was a little surprised when I got the email because it said: sandbox is not ready ! 01:07 rangi ahh typo for now ? 01:09 peggy I think so, though my test didn't go as well as I had hoped. I wanted to try a fix that I am eagerly awaiting with some real data from my library 01:10 peggy The sandbox looked ready to me. 01:12 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=contrib/global.git;a=blob;f=sandbox/cron/sandbox.cron;h=c09519f1ab9382479f0a3e382bb06cb455cd9f1d;hb=refs/heads/master 01:12 rangi theres the code for sending out the mails :) it might be just a typo in there maybe 01:12 eythian it's not 01:12 peggy I thought it was amusing... 01:13 eythian that's what it says when there are errors 01:13 eythian otherwise it says "now ready" 01:13 rangi but it didnt list any errors? 01:13 eythian it should have told you what they were in the email 01:14 peggy No. 01:14 peggy just a subject line. 01:15 peggy The sandbox says The current setup on this sandbox is = Sandbox setup by xxxxx@gmail.com with database -1 and bug 10500 on Thu Nov 14 01:24:12 2013 01:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Improve isbn matching when importing records 01:17 eythian so the body of the email was empty? 01:17 peggy Yes 01:17 eythian weird 01:20 peggy I guess I should try it again. 01:21 bag hi peggy 01:21 peggy Hi bag 01:23 peggy I tried to set up #7 and I just got the email that says it is not ready with nothing in the body of the email 01:30 bag hmm try another sandbox then? 01:32 peggy I originally tried #6 01:35 wizzyrea I forget, do the sandboxen cope well with updatedatabase ones? 01:35 wizzyrea seems like they might not, due to conflicts. 01:36 wizzyrea (and yea, that one has an updatedatabase) 01:36 peggy Ah. 01:36 wizzyrea that *probably* explains your issue. Maybe. 01:38 peggy Now that I'm looking at it more carefully, I didn 01:38 peggy 't change the system preference (which probably isn't there...) 01:38 peggy At least that explains why the code didn't work as well as I had hoped! 01:42 peggy Woo Hoo! When I set the preference it works like a dream. My catalogers will be thrilled. 01:43 wizzyrea yay! 01:54 mtompset Hmmm... how important is copying previous behaviour? 01:55 dcook In the case of government websites, I hope they never copy previous behaviour 01:55 * dcook grumbles about poorly designed websites 01:55 mtompset ha ha ha. 01:56 mtompset No, actually, I'm talking about the case where your framework is missing a subfield for subfield that exists in the MARC detail view in OPAC of a record. 01:56 dcook Come again? 01:57 mtompset okay, let's say you have a biblio with an item which is loaded using the BKS framework. 01:58 mtompset and then you delete 260$b from the BKS framework. 01:58 mtompset (don't ask why... the point isn't why, but rather catching warnings) 01:58 mtompset when you MARC detail view that biblio in OPAC... 01:59 mtompset your 260 gets split weird. 02:00 mtompset Does that description make sense, dcook? 02:01 dcook Yep 02:01 dcook In theory 02:01 dcook Do you have an example of what "split weird" means? 02:01 mtompset Now, I described an intentional way to break it, but in reality, you may use a framework which doesn't have all the subfields defined for the data you import. 02:02 mtompset It will display the same way. 02:02 mtompset Sample? 02:02 mtompset How do I post a screen shot? 02:03 dcook http://imgur.com/ 02:03 dcook Or something like that 02:03 dcook As a side note, it's useful to use an equal operator rather than an assignment operator when trying to get your JS to work *facepalm* 02:03 dcook And by your, I mean mine :p 02:07 mtompset There... the weird split is that the two 260 entries are actually ONE entry in the MARCXML. 02:08 mtompset I intentionally deleted 260$b from the framework, and it did that. 02:11 peggy Is it a display issue? 02:12 dcook frameworks-- 02:13 mtompset peggy: You don't notice it, until you actually go "how many 260 fields are in my MARC record?" and then see a different number on the screen. 02:13 mtompset Because it seems to display fine, but in reality weird and wonderful things are happening in the code. :) 02:14 peggy That's always exciting 02:15 mtompset What's more exciting is that you can totally figure out why the subfields are split the way they are. It's just not sensible to split them like it does. 02:17 peggy ::writing frameworks on her list of things to learn:: 02:58 mtompset There bug 11242 posted with a patch... now. Papa, didn't you say you had another patch of silent warnings? 02:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11242 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , fix opac-MARCdetail.pl bizarre ordering of data and noisy warnings 03:10 mtompset WaylonR: I'm hoping tomorrow for bug 9055. 03:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod 03:10 mtompset It does apply. 03:10 WaylonR cool, mtompset 03:10 mtompset I just checked that. 03:10 mtompset you might want to change the status to needs sign off. 03:11 WaylonR cool. the instructions on its setup makes sense to you? 03:11 mtompset you'll be in IRC tomorrow? 03:11 WaylonR sre 03:11 WaylonR sure 03:11 mtompset what timezone are you in? 03:11 WaylonR NZD 03:11 WaylonR but i am awake between 12 midday and 2am 03:12 WaylonR thou... tomorrows friday, sabbath, so at 7pm, work ends.. 03:12 WaylonR its 4pm now 03:13 mtompset 4pm Thursday? 03:13 WaylonR yes 03:14 WaylonR you want to take the QA, mtompset ? 03:14 WaylonR QA contact. 03:14 wahanui qa contact is some email addy, always 03:14 mtompset No, I'm just a sign off person. 03:14 mtompset Not a QA person. 03:14 WaylonR okay. 03:14 WaylonR so, signoff, then it goes to QA? 03:14 mtompset The QA slot is for someone in the official QA role. 03:15 mtompset Right... if I sign off, then we put Signed off as the status, and wait for a QA person to pick it up. 03:15 WaylonR right 03:16 mtompset Okay... so, let's aim for 2pm your time (8pm mine) -- i.e. 22 hours from now-ish. 03:16 WaylonR cool. can do 03:17 mtompset I'll look at it before then, but you'll likely be asleep. :) 03:17 mtompset Just like I'm going to bed now (like I should do normally). 03:17 WaylonR night then 03:18 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha, WaylonR papa dcook peggy and all the lurking types. :) 03:18 dcook ta mtompset 03:28 Jwellner o/ Koha! 03:29 Jwellner Any bws folks around? 03:29 dcook \o Jwellner 03:29 dcook I think bag was around earlier 03:31 Jwellner ok :) will be waiting around for a bit 03:32 wizzyrea ping trea ^ 03:34 Jwellner nvm... :0 what I was going to ask came back :) 03:36 bag I'm here 03:38 bag heya Jwellner 03:49 dcook Hmm, it's late. Time to eats. 05:05 dcook Daft punk to round out the afternoon... 05:07 bag this punk is going to bed early tonight - be well dcook 05:07 dcook 'night, bag. Take care. 05:08 bag @wunder 93102 05:08 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 26.7°C (9:07 PM PST on November 13, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PST Thursday... 05:08 bag darn it's still hot even at 9pm 05:08 dcook Good lord, and that's November... 05:08 dcook @wunder sydney, nsw 05:08 huginn dcook: Error: No such location could be found. 05:08 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 05:08 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 23.0°C (4:00 PM EST on November 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 05:08 dcook Dang 05:09 bag something weird is going on here 05:09 dcook Seems like it. Any mad scientists in Santa Barbara? 05:24 eythian new master packages uploading 05:24 eythian s/uploading/uploaded/ 05:26 dcook eythian++ 05:51 * Oak waves 06:18 cait hi #koha 06:22 dcook hey ya cait 06:22 cait hi dcook - still here? 06:24 dcook Mayyybe 06:24 dcook Almost done the thing I wanted to get done with my tool 06:24 * dcook says vaguely 06:30 dcook Hmm, 5:30...maybe not quite done.. 06:30 cait go home andcontinue with a fresh mind tomorrow? 06:31 dcook Mmm, I feel like I'm nearly there 06:32 dcook I wish that I would've coded this tool better in the first place.. 06:32 dcook Also, the more I work with PHP, the more I wish I were working with Perl instead 06:35 dcook Also, I wonder if there is ever a good time to have a global variable. Yeesh.. 06:35 * dcook ends his ramble 06:39 cait um dunno? 06:48 * magnuse waves 06:48 dcook hey ya magnuse :) 06:49 Oak tell me vaguely what are you doing in php dcook 06:49 Oak hey cait 06:49 Oak magnuse 06:49 magnuse Oak 06:49 Oak \o/ 06:49 magnuse \o/ 06:49 magnuse :-O 06:49 Oak :) 06:50 magnuse dcook: don't let me interrupt your singing ;-) 06:50 dcook Oak: At the moment, I'm writing an interface that will load up a web page, let a user highlight certain sections, save the XPATH of those sections for the purpose of gathering metadata and files, and then preview what a harvesting of that metadata/files would be like 06:50 dcook hehe 06:51 dcook magnuse: Oh, I drift in and out 06:51 Oak ooooh. awesome. 06:51 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, Oak 06:51 cait hi Oak :) 06:51 Oak $1 -> [jar], there you go 06:51 magnuse dcook: why php when there are fun things like Dancer for perl? 06:52 dcook Thanks, Oak :). It's my first full fledged app, so I suppose there have been growing pains... 06:53 dcook magnuse: I think we're mostly a PHP shop these days. It's what my boss knows and it was the first language I learned. 06:53 dcook I learned Perl especially for Koha, although I'm rather fond of it now 06:53 cait hm i think i know what it is 06:53 * cait ponders 06:54 cait =+number is interpreted as some kind if ... character 06:54 dcook O_o 06:54 * magnuse hopes never to set foot in php again 06:55 cait i am trying to figure out why the encoding corrected cart doesn't show biblionumbers 06:56 Oak languages are tools... we choose different tools suitable for different jobs that's all. but dcook, will it be open source and free? the app you are making? 06:57 Oak or is it for paying client for you company? 07:01 dcook Alas, I think it will be the latter :/ 07:01 dcook I'm not sure though. I'm just the keyboard jockie. 07:01 dcook jockey? 07:01 Oak ah okay. 07:02 dcook Admittedly, if it were open source, I think it could be problematic 07:02 dcook Right now, it's for a client who has special copyright permissions 07:03 dcook Although I suppose the copyright infringement would be on the user rather than the developer 07:03 Oak hmm. well, with these kind of projects businesses are able to pay salaries to cool developers like yourself. we get it. 07:04 Oak the licensing thing just popped up in my mind so i asked... :) 07:04 dcook It's a fair question :) 07:04 Oak :) 07:04 dcook It certainly does bring in income. I think it would be cool if it were open source though. 07:05 dcook I think it could benefit from having other eyes and hands on it. 07:05 Oak definitely. no doubt about that. 07:05 magnuse couldn't everything? ;-) 07:05 dcook hehe, pretty much, magnuse 07:05 dcook Except maybe pizza 07:05 dcook Man, that Pirate Pizza in Reno was tasty... 07:07 magnuse ooh, pizza?!? 07:07 wahanui pizza is in the oven. 07:07 magnuse yay! 07:07 Oak what oven? false hopes... 07:07 * Oak goes to check the oven in any case 07:08 magnuse Oak: it's worth a try :-) 07:08 Oak :) 07:09 * magnuse wonders how many pizzas are "in the oven" somewhere around the world at this very moment 07:09 Oak oh man. you have an awesome imagination... 07:10 Oak what a beautiful thought! 07:11 * Oak was looking up staring in the space wondering about that... 07:12 dcook All right. I've stayed way longer than I should've. Home time for pasta with the wife! 07:20 * magnuse wishes dcook a belated happy pasta 07:21 * magnuse wonders if it would be possible to do some kind of nice visual representation of how the indexing in koha works 07:44 cait hm running out of time to track this down :( 07:44 cait later 07:46 reiveune hello 08:36 kf good morning #koha 09:10 * kf would appreciate it a lot if someone with diacritics and a translated template could run some tests on bug 10605 09:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10605 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Failed QA , Problems with translated cart email sent from OPAC 09:45 magnuse GBSD starts in 15 minutes (Kiribati time)! 09:46 kf wooohoo 09:46 kf magnuse: can i interest you in cross testing 10605? 09:46 kf it's a bad bug for translated templates... 09:46 kf and it's in 3.12... 09:48 Joubu kf: I will take a look 09:48 kf thx Joubu - i have problems with encoding and the catalog url testing it, some more eyes won't hurt 09:48 kf but hopefully will lead to a solution 09:48 kf :) 09:50 magnuse not today, hopfully tomorrow 09:55 kf Joubu: intersting about the link url! 09:55 kf for me it's biblionumber= - for you the = is missing and the number is there 09:57 Joubu kf: I got "opac-detail.pl?biblionumberC" and "opac-detail.pl?biblionumber" too .... 09:57 kf joubu: probably c because =number was C ? 09:57 Joubu opac-detail.pl?biblionumber€ 09:57 Joubu :) 09:58 Joubu I worked on sendbasket.pl some weeks ago, but I don't remember the bug 09:59 kf but then you see the same as me, or about the same i guess... the = + the bibnumber is problem 09:59 Joubu it was bug 9218, for the intranet 09:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9218 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , intranet cart email broken for non english templates 10:00 Joubu kf: yep, the link is completely broken 10:03 kf i wonder if the problem would also occur when you have an 856 with a =number 10:17 Joubu kf: I don't understand, I get an encoding issue at the intranet (on sending basket). I thought it was fixed by 9218 10:22 kf Hm not sure 10:22 kf did you check the commits on master? 10:22 kf maybe afollow-up? 10:22 kf those mails are really an annoying topic :( 10:23 Joubu kf: no it's good. There is an issue on fr-FR translation... The template was not generated 10:24 kf aah ok, but that's only for staff? 11:34 kf Joubu: i thnk it might occur in the list mails too 11:34 kf Joubu: there is the same construct for building th elink int he template, i checkedt hat before i had to leave this morning 11:38 Joubu kf: did you see I proposed a new patch for opac ? It fixes all encoding issues, I think 11:43 kf let me take a look :) 11:43 kf Joubu: aaah, i meant sendig lists - it's almost the same code 11:43 kf Joubu: and it also has a link back - we should better check that too 11:44 kf ew. 11:44 kf ok, it does not work at all in 3.12.6 - and i can#t test on master right now :( 11:45 kf @later tell tcohen can you take a look at bug 8368 for 3.12 please? 11:45 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 11:45 kf bug 8368 11:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8368 critical, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , List email broken for non english templates 12:13 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 12:14 mtompset @seen WaylonR 12:14 huginn mtompset: WaylonR was last seen in #koha 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <WaylonR> night then 12:14 mtompset @seen wizzyrea 12:14 huginn mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 8 hours, 42 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> ping trea ^ 12:14 mtompset I guess the party died out after I left. ;) 12:21 mtompset Greetings, ebegin. :) 12:22 ebegin hey mtompset ! :) 12:22 ebegin you are early ! 12:22 ebegin @wunder montreal, canada 12:22 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 3.0°C (7:00 AM EST on November 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 12:23 mtompset My hours are random. 12:23 mtompset But yes, I would call this early. :) 12:23 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5 12:23 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto Pearson Int'L. Ont., Ontario is 0.0°C (7:00 AM EST on November 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 12:24 mtompset Just a tad colder here. :) 12:24 ebegin Oh yeah, you are working with people somewhere in asia, wasn't philipines ? Were they affect by Haiyan ? 12:27 ebegin @wunder H2Y 2R6 12:27 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Verdun, Verdun, Quebec is 3.7°C (7:27 AM EST on November 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 12:29 mtompset Thankfully, none of my immediately colleagues were directly affected. 12:30 mtompset Unfortunately, I know that the house of one colleague's family was destroy, but the family is safe. 12:30 mtompset ^destroy^destroyed^ 12:34 mtompset And, of course, the typical flooding and what not affected them, but not horribly. 12:52 kf hm 12:52 kf lots of old patches from dobrica? 13:04 kf Joubu++ 13:16 ebegin mtompset, good to read that your colleagues are ok, in a way... I don't think that I'll be ok if my house was destroyed 13:25 oleonard Hi GBSDers 13:39 kf hi oleonard :) 13:46 oleonard The patch for Bug 11221 fixes the problem for me, but I'm not sure how to test for negative side effects. 13:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11221 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , New patrons are created with invalid dateofbirth value if field is left empty 13:46 oleonard Look for any instance where SQLHelper is used to interact with a date-type column? 13:48 kf ouch 13:48 kf that sounds painful 13:48 kf does it come with unit tests by chance? 13:49 oleonard No 13:49 mtompset GBSD? Is that today? 13:50 oleonard Depending on where you live 13:51 mtompset Was there an email? 13:51 oleonard Actually I don't think there was? 13:52 mtompset An email reminder would be a good idea. :) 13:52 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2013-11-15_Global_bug_squashing_day 13:52 oleonard ...although that page says "Monday" 13:52 mtompset Someone cut and paste. 13:52 kf oleonard: i am way behind with my qa mails - not sure i have followed all of that 13:58 mtompset Fixed the wiki page. 14:08 mtompset Greetings, tcohen, and belatedly to oleonard kf. :) 14:08 kf hi mtompset 14:09 kf if someone could take a look at the cart and list patches joubu did earlier that would be awesome :) 14:09 mtompset use Data::Dumper; die Dumper($itemhash{$item}); -- Needs Signoff? I don't think so. :) 14:11 tcohen "Warning Error message from Zebra: 10004" 14:17 oleonard mtompset: More evidence patch submitters should run the qa tools against their own submissions 14:18 kf which patch are you 2 talking about 14:18 kf ? 14:19 mtompset I 'Failed QA' the one I was talking about. 14:20 mtompset oleonard: Why even try to test it, when the eyeball scan finds such a thing? :) 14:22 mtompset Who normally sends out a reminder about GBSD? 14:23 oleonard mtompset: Whoever decides to hold GBSD I suppose. 14:24 druthb hi, mtompset and oleonard and kf and tcohen! :) 14:24 mtompset Gives druthb a package of virtual skittles to EAT. :P 14:25 druthb Skittles are *not* food. They are ammunition. 14:25 * oleonard would rather have Skittles thrown *at* him than eat them himself 14:26 nengard what??!! 14:26 nengard sugar is yummy :) 14:26 druthb sugar is yummy. Skittles are not. 14:26 nengard crazy talk 14:26 nengard they're not my preferred candy - but if that's all there is :) 14:27 * mtompset grabs the skittles back and gives them to nengard who will at least respect them. :P 14:27 nengard :) 14:27 nengard hehe 14:27 nengard nom nom nom 14:27 druthb puh. 14:27 nengard now ... a business question folks :) oleonard listen up :) 14:27 nengard I want to center the quote of the day on the main page 14:28 mtompset OPAC? 14:28 wahanui i guess OPAC is for patrons 14:28 nengard but all i've come up with is a margin-left which is not ideal 14:28 nengard yes OPAC 14:28 oleonard CCSR I assume? 14:28 nengard take a look here : 14:28 nengard http://model.bywatersolutions.com/ 14:28 nengard and resize the browser window 14:28 nengard yes ccsr for now 14:28 druthb <div align=center> around it? 14:28 oleonard No! 14:28 nengard needs to be a CSS option 14:28 nengard LOL 14:29 oleonard margin:auto 14:29 druthb omg that picture…who is that crazy-lookin transsexual in the back, behind Larry? :P 14:30 nengard oleonard so change : margin: 0 275px 10px; to margin:auto; ? 14:30 mtompset why is width: 500px? 14:30 oleonard nengard: That's what I would try yes 14:30 nengard druthb enjoy it while you can - a new pic was taken at kohacon i'm just fixing it up 14:30 nengard mtompset - i don't know 14:30 nengard LOL 14:30 nengard I didn't do it - I'm just trying to tweak it 14:30 nengard should the width not be there either? 14:30 oleonard druthb: The ByWater Ministry of Disinformation must have a backlog of retouching to do 14:31 mtompset somehow it overrode 300px, which looks okay to me. 14:31 druthb oleonard++ 14:32 nengard refresh: width: 500px; 14:32 nengard no ... 14:32 nengard i meant refresh http://model.bywatersolutions.com 14:32 nengard i took out the width and did margin:auto 14:32 nengard i think 300 is too small on long quotes .. 14:33 nengard The ByWater Ministry of Disinformation is just sharpening, cropping and brightening the photo a bit :) 14:33 oleonard Yeah nengard I think 500px is fine 14:34 mtompset perhaps a <br> on the ~ 14:35 mtompset nevermind. 14:35 mtompset Though, Koha on the second line looks weird. 14:37 nengard I don't like the styling of the qotd feature ... hence the css tweaking 14:37 nengard for now this will do 14:37 magnuse ooh, sorry, if anyone feels like sending a reminder about gbsd to the list, please feel free! i have to wander off now... 14:38 mtompset I'll do it. :) 14:40 mtompset nengard: perhaps a little wider, so Koha goes up to the previous line? 14:40 nengard it will be different with each quote 14:41 nengard each quote is a different length 14:41 oleonard Please ask your customers to only submit quotes with a specific character length 14:41 mtompset Ah, okay. I guess you'll have to live with it. :) 14:42 mtompset oleonard: Like that's going to happen. :P 14:43 oleonard Agreed :P 14:46 mtompset Though... if you do things like tell them you prefer quotes via twitter, the technology effectively does that for you. :) 14:48 druthb United tends to be pretty steady anywhere in the Monday-Friday range. AA really hops up on Thursday and Friday, for some reason. 14:48 druthb wup. 'scuse. 14:49 mtompset What was that, druthb? 14:50 druthb me chattering at someone else—a teammate who is helping me hatch an evil plan. 14:53 oleonard mtompset: When someone randomly blurts out comments about airline schedules the polite thing to do is ignore it. It's not their fault. 14:56 mtompset I thought AA was Alcoholics Anonymous. Oops. Got the context so wrong. :) 14:57 oleonard Yeah that's all wrong. AA probably hops up more on Sunday and Monday. 15:04 oleonard Hmm... Z39.50 search error but no error code... 15:11 oleonard Z39.50 searches in cataloging check for two different error codes, and I guess if the error doesn't match either of those it doesn't know what to say. 15:12 oleonard if ($error =~ m/^(10000|10007)$/ ) { 15:16 oleonard http://www.screencast.com/t/MDbXe3sTw 15:18 rambutan I was just about to say that your link was bad because nothing was found for your image 15:19 rambutan but not to worry, the coffee should be done by now 15:19 rambutan brb 15:19 kf oleonard: i have seen that happening when i had a typo in my hostname 15:20 oleonard I know there is a problem with that Z39.50 source, I would just like Koha to provide more information about what the problem is 15:22 kf oleonard: even a general message wold be nicer than the yellow box 15:24 oleonard kf: The best we can do with what the script gives us is say that there was an unknown error. I wish we could at least display the error code in cases where the template doesn't know what the error code means 15:25 kf yes, that would be nicer 15:26 oleonard Watch out everyone, I am getting grumpy about missing test plans. 15:28 druthb uhoh. 15:28 druthb grumpy oleonard is grumpy! 15:28 * druthb fears 15:40 mtompset Are you turning from a yellow minion into a purple one, oleonard? :) 15:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug11216' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c5c50b2f26e33180059d40f623adda91c616b88> / Bug 11216: fix bug where editing patron creates indefinite manual restriction <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=165e8750b8e6b57050f11884e58ce85c2888f243> 15:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #216 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:48 * oleonard is glad Bug 11216 is taken care of! 15:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11216 blocker, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Patron modification creates indefinite manual restriction 15:48 oleonard dpavlin++ 15:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #1502 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug11137' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37d5da91cdb91feb88bebb5dd669e2074a22b857> / Bug 11137: fix certain types of searches run using QueryParser <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd36a1ffa141e49daa60a20b55dcfcc1eccad857> / Bug 11137: regression tests for QP search field alias bug <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdi 16:02 tcohen question: zebra running, yaz returns records, Koha reports zebra error and no results 16:02 tcohen how to debug? 16:07 kf dpavlin++ 16:15 oleonard mtompset: Before your patch for Bug 11242 I see that the affected tag is displayed out of order. Is that the problem you're talking about? 16:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11242 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , fix opac-MARCdetail.pl bizarre ordering of data and noisy warnings 16:15 oleonard I guess that's what the name of the bug says, but test plan's "split strangely" throws me off 16:29 reiveune bye 16:42 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #216: SUCCESS in 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/216/ 16:42 jenkins_koha Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 11216: fix bug where editing patron creates indefinite manual restriction 16:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11216 blocker, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Patron modification creates indefinite manual restriction 16:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #217 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:10 gaetan_B bye 17:19 rambutan http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/14/us-google-books-idUSBRE9AD0TT20131114 17:29 oleonard Bug 8409 17:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8409 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , purchase order saying 'Books' 17:29 oleonard Where is that purchase order coming from? 17:29 kf it's the created pdf 17:29 kf and i think it's the item type description in that case 17:29 kf i have looked at it 17:29 kf it#s just not really clear in the formatting 17:30 kf oleonard: acq - create an order, close the basket, add it to a basket group - pdf :) 17:30 oleonard Where in the acquisitions process does that get created? 17:30 oleonard Thanks 17:31 * kf hands the cookie jar to oleonard 17:31 kf you shoudl take that with you 17:31 kf if you are planning to look at it 17:34 mtompset oleonard: That is the fix part, yes. 17:34 phred Sorry if this is the 500th time this question has been asked, but is koha.community.org down? I've been trying to connect for a while. 17:34 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #217: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/217/ 17:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11137: regression tests for QP search field alias bug 17:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11137: fix certain types of searches run using QueryParser 17:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11137 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , QueryParser can ignore parts of a Boolean search after the first 17:35 oleonard Yes phred, it seems to be. 17:35 oleonard it doesn't seem to be very reliable. 17:38 bag hello 17:38 phred Thanks Owen. I'll wait until later to recommend Koha to the person on medlib-l looking for a new ILS. :-) 17:39 druthb hi, bag! 17:39 bag heya druthb 17:39 bag how you doing today? 17:39 oleonard http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/koha-community.org 17:40 mtompset That is a very useful website. :) 17:40 bag yeah pretty cool 17:40 bag I haven't seen that one before 17:41 phred 'Tis. 17:42 mtompset oleonard: Also, the reason I say split strangely is because I deleted a b subfield, and suddenly I had 3 sections, when I was only supposed to have 2 (looking at the MARC record). 17:45 kf bye all 17:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1502: SUCCESS in 2 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1502/ 17:56 jenkins_koha Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 11216: fix bug where editing patron creates indefinite manual restriction 17:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11216 blocker, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Patron modification creates indefinite manual restriction 17:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #1503 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug10684_take2' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eeb409a97daa6296f0ce70a7db0b90e3334c43ee> / Bug 10684: (follow-up) adjust how undecodable records are logged <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=82233bae255ccf7be85fe4f5b93c5667c6e82835> / Bug 10684: make sure that Koha search does not dies on undecodable records <http://git.koha-community.org/gitw 18:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #218 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:33 mtompset @later tell WaylonR Woah! This logic requires some serious thinking through. My eyes hurt from reading opac-search.pl's diffs. ;) 18:33 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 18:45 rangi morning 18:46 oleonard Hi rangi 18:52 mtompset Greetings, rangi. 18:56 mtompset Does GBSD include advocating for a bug which needs sign off or QA? 18:57 rangi yes 18:57 mtompset Might I suggest bug 11183 then? :) 18:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11183 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , Warnings in opac 18:57 mtompset I truly hate my searches triggering floody entries. 18:57 cait mtompset: currently chances for qa are low for new features 18:58 cait at least if you try to get me to qa :) 18:58 mtompset This is a fix. 18:58 mtompset relative simple fixes too. 18:59 mtompset Mmmm... marked as enhancment... that's not right. 19:00 mtompset It's just cleaner logic to prevent floody warnings. 19:03 mtompset hmmm... I wonder where WaylonR is. I'm pretty sure I said 22 hours. 19:04 cait gmcharlt++ :) 19:05 gmcharlt cait: what was that for? 19:05 cait voice of wisdom? :) 19:08 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #218: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/218/ 19:08 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10684: add regression test 19:08 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10684: make sure that Koha search does not dies on undecodable records 19:08 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10684: (follow-up) adjust how undecodable records are logged 19:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10684 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Koha search dies on undecodable records 19:10 rangi bug 11240 19:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11240 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Adding a restriction does not save the date 19:10 rangi could someone please QA that 19:10 rangi now that 11216 is pushed, people might try to use the feature, and it isnt actually working :) 19:10 gmcharlt rangi: thank you, I was trying to find that one and failing 19:11 rangi no worries 19:11 rangi right, school run, bbiab 19:12 bag gmcharlt cait and rangi I'll take a look at that right now 19:12 gmcharlt bag: great! 19:12 bag then it's lunch time for me :) 19:12 cait bag: you are my hero bag :) 19:13 bag awwh thanks cait 19:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug11196' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f126a65d12f71a06613b9d26a051112b1db598c3> / Bug 11196: DBrev 3.13.00.043 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf5cfcbe34b185388fc0afbed55ba7222c5499bd> / Bug 11196: Add SearchEngine syspref in the DB if missing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb8098cb4b372fa5c5c8fdf50172be 19:13 bag just to be super clear - I'm looking at bug 11240 right 19:13 bag I'm not missreading things? 19:13 gmcharlt bag: yes, that's the one 19:14 bag thanks :) 19:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #219 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:22 mtompset bug 11240 got me hunting for similar parameter changes to make sure all the output_pref function calls are the same. 19:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11240 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Adding a restriction does not save the date 19:22 mtompset I found a bug in tools/inventory.pl 19:37 bag alright gmcharlt passed all my tests… now to eat some food 19:37 gmcharlt bag++ 19:51 mtompset what happens if an SQL UPDATE statement has a date in a not-iso format? 19:56 tcohen you might write a unit test for that? 19:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1503: SUCCESS in 2 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1503/ 19:57 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11137: regression tests for QP search field alias bug 19:57 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11137: fix certain types of searches run using QueryParser 19:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11137 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , QueryParser can ignore parts of a Boolean search after the first 19:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #1504 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:59 oleonard Maybe I misunderstand what the patch on Bug 6837 is proposing to do. 19:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6837 normal, P5 - low, ---, barry, Needs Signoff , When AllowOnShelfHolds is OFF then holds on records with available items should not be possible 20:00 oleonard If the AllowOnShelfHolds preference doesn't do what it says it should, why do we need a new preference? Don't we just need to fix the AllowOnShelfHolds preference? 20:05 cait oleonard: i always assumed it worked as expected 20:05 cait i think i have been told that too 20:05 cait that#s why my coworker filed the bug in the first place a long while ago 20:05 tcohen the description sounds wrong 20:05 cait i think looking at all items vs only one item also gets complicated when you have multiple branches 20:06 cait so maybe having it an option might be better as a first step until we figure it out more perfectly 20:08 oleonard I still don't get it... The behavior described in the first comment sounds like a bug to me. With AllowOnShelfHolds off why should it be possible to place a hold on an item if it's on the shelf? 20:10 cait hm it's not that 20:10 cait you can't place an item level hold 20:10 cait but you can place a recod level 20:10 cait as soon as the first item is checked out 20:11 cait for a library with one branch it would work nicely what is proposed there i think - only allow a hold if all items are checked out 20:11 cait for a library with more than one branch... all items? all items at your home branch? 20:11 cait i think options is not bad here 20:11 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #219: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/219/ 20:11 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: bug 11196: put SearchEngine to sysprefs.sql 20:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11196: Add SearchEngine syspref in the DB if missing 20:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11196: DBrev 3.13.00.043 20:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11196 major, P1 - high, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , SearchEngine pref not in sysprefs.sql 20:11 cait not sure i make sense, but i am trying 20:11 gmcharlt at first glance, to me it sounds like that making AllowOnShelfHolds be a choice would be better than adding a new syspref 20:11 gmcharlt i.e., 20:12 gmcharlt AllowOnShelfHolds = never 20:12 cait gmcharlt: i think additional options should work 20:12 rangi cait: https://library.niwa.co.nz/ can you see that? 20:12 rangi or anyone else 20:12 cait hi rangi 20:12 gmcharlt rangi: yep 20:12 oleonard It opens for me rangi 20:12 cait me too 20:12 wizzyrea cool tks 20:13 gmcharlt AllowOnShelfHolds = yes_if_any_copy_is_checked_out 20:13 tcohen rangi: are those modified templates? 20:13 gmcharlt yes_if_any_copy_is_checked_out is current behavior, never is the intent of the patch for 6837 20:13 tcohen was wondering about "Browse by author or subject" 20:13 rangi tcohen: translations 20:13 wahanui translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/ 20:14 rangi and jquery 20:14 gmcharlt cait: does that seem right (in terms of matching our understandings of what you're trying to accomplish)? 20:14 cait gmcharlt: can you give a sentence? 20:14 gmcharlt cait: sure, let me rephrase 20:14 tcohen that's smart rangi 20:14 rangi tcohen: $("a:contains('Authority search')").text("Browse by author or subject"); 20:14 cait I'd say: don't allow holds if an item is available on shelf (that can be checked out by the patron... i guess) 20:14 gmcharlt AllowOnShelfHolds would become a 'Choice' rather than a boolean 20:15 gmcharlt if it is set to 'never', patrons can place hold requests in hte OPAC only if /all/ of the items that could fill that request are unavailable due to being checked out or lost (etc.) 20:15 cait that sounds right yes :) 20:16 gmcharlt if it is st to "if some items are unavailable", patrons can place hold requests in the OPAC if /some/ of the items that could fill that request are currently unavailable 20:16 gmcharlt ... 20:16 tcohen bye #koh 20:16 cait oleonard: starting to make sense? 20:16 gmcharlt though now that I say it, I'm now more inclined towards Owen's view that the current behavior is a bug 20:16 cait bye tcohen :) 20:16 tcohen a 20:16 * cait needs more soup 20:17 rangi cya tcohen 20:17 tcohen how would it behave for item-level holds gmcharlt? 20:17 tcohen bye bye, i forgot i was in a hurry heh 20:17 cait i think the current behaviour is ok for that, only allow item level holds on items that are checked out 20:17 gmcharlt there's it's simpler, I think -- for an item-level hold, either the item is currently avaialble to fill the hold, or it is not 20:18 cait but checked out will be added to the restrictions for placing a hold 20:18 cait without allowonshelfholds you can put item level holds on available items 20:19 cait looking at the availability is the main difference it brings into the mix 20:19 gmcharlt I gues with making allowonshelfholds a choice, the thrid option would be 'always' 20:19 * cait nods 21:12 oleonard Bye #koha 21:29 mtompset wizzyrea: You here? 21:30 wizzyrea yarp 21:30 mtompset It's ready now. :) 21:30 mtompset Slightly tweaked plan, should be good. :) 21:30 mtompset bug 7567 21:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7567 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , News by Library: refactor, enhance, and fix 21:33 mtompset Anyone have a suggestion as to what the best way to solve bug 11253 is? 21:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11253 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , tools/inventory.pl output_pref ignores 'iso' parameter passed 21:40 wizzyrea wahoo! 21:40 wizzyrea curiosity, I don't see you mention slips there 21:40 wizzyrea does it work on slips too? 21:40 wizzyrea news per branch on slips is like... omg awesome. 21:41 tcohen http://9gag.com/gag/apqNxqD 21:42 rangi mmmm pie 21:42 wizzyrea ^ 21:42 wizzyrea I echo this. 21:53 mtompset Slips... I believe so. 21:53 mtompset But I really didn't test any slips functionality. 21:54 mtompset Feel free to write how. :) 21:57 mtompset This really does only affect the opac_news table. 21:58 rambutan slips ?= receipts 21:58 wizzyrea yarp 21:58 mtompset Well, if it knows the branch code, I suppose it would. 21:59 wizzyrea I'll test it :) 21:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1504: SUCCESS in 2 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1504/ 21:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10684: add regression test 21:59 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10684: make sure that Koha search does not dies on undecodable records 21:59 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10684: (follow-up) adjust how undecodable records are logged 21:59 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: bug 11196: put SearchEngine to sysprefs.sql 21:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10684 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Koha search dies on undecodable records 21:59 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11196: Add SearchEngine syspref in the DB if missing 21:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11196: DBrev 3.13.00.043 21:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11196 major, P1 - high, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , SearchEngine pref not in sysprefs.sql 22:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #1505 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:00 rambutan would you have to login to set a default location? 22:00 rambutan in the OPAC 22:01 wizzyrea if what you are asking is "does the opac know which branch you belong to before you log in" the answer is no 22:03 rambutan yea, I'm distracted here....big discussion 22:03 wizzyrea :) 22:05 rambutan is there a way to set the OPAC to default to a location w/out being logged in? ...thinking about branch specific news available on the OPAC 22:06 rambutan http://opac.library.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.p/location=mainbranch or something 22:07 rangi yep 22:07 rangi be nicer to do it with virtualhosts 22:07 rangi branch.opac.library.org 22:08 rangi but both could work 22:08 eythian I've been thinking about making apache set an envvar that hints to the OPAC what branch it's on when not logged in, that way it could be virtual host, IP, or whatever based. 22:11 rambutan good idea 22:13 cait eythian: if you use the branch limit - iwll all records without items be hidden too? 22:14 cait i guess so ,have been trying to figure that out earlier today 22:14 eythian cait: huh? 22:14 cait i was thinking about the opac functionality today 22:14 cait and wondeirng if you use that to create separate opacs for 2 libraries 22:14 cait what will happen to the records without items (serials, sets, ... crazy things we do) 22:15 cait i guessed that you wouldn't find them and was wondering if that was right 22:17 eythian I don't know. It would presumably do the same as when the person is logged in and so knows about the branch. 22:17 eythian I don't see why knowing about a branch would affect records with no items. 22:17 cait aaah, i am thinking about something else i guess 22:17 wizzyrea bibs don't have branches 22:18 cait the automatic branch limit you can do 22:18 cait .. also with apache 22:18 cait sorry, it's entirely too late here and the day has been too long. i probably stopped myking any sense 22:18 cait so :) good night all! 22:18 wizzyrea gnite cait :) 22:20 rambutan hee haw...just talked my TS supervisor into trying out Linux on her computer. 22:21 wizzyrea ha nice! 23:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug11240' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f846e9aa76d98ea357f89230d0f7317826605903> / Bug 11240: ensure that date of restriction is saved when using patron edit screen <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc0c807901e858f448aa0ddde0f398dc2591b48d> 23:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #220 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:47 WaylonR hiya all 23:47 WaylonR hello mtompset 23:48 mtompset Back in 25.... brother just called for a ride. 23:58 maximep aaaaaaaaaaaaah _FixPriority doesn't work when called from CancelReserve since the switch to reserve_id... and it's killing me -_- 23:58 maximep took me 2 hours to find the bug :/