Time Nick Message 01:05 bgkriegel Hi #koha 01:09 * mtj waves to bernardo :) 01:11 eythian hey, anyone know how to make it so that a hold can be applied to a biblio that has no items? 01:14 mtj eythian, that might be impossible, even ? :/ 01:14 eythian I'd be surprised, but at the same time I can't find any obvious syspref for it. 01:15 mtj i was expecting some 'print $error if $items == 0' situation 01:42 oleonard Hi again #koha 01:43 eythian hi oleonard. 01:43 eythian oleonard: you may know: <eythian> hey, anyone know how to make it so that a hold can be applied to a biblio that has no items? 01:43 oleonard As far as I know you can't. There has to be an item. 01:44 oleonard We have to add dummy items to on-order titles just so that holds can be placed on them before the actual items arrive. 01:44 eythian OK 01:48 edveal hi #koha 01:54 edveal the general meeting is at the top of the hour right? 01:55 * oleonard believes so 01:55 edveal Just checking, thanks oleonard 01:58 * oleonard scolds cait and sends her back to bed 01:59 cait hm? 01:59 oleonard cait it's past your bedtime! 01:59 BobB_ hello 01:59 cait iam just upearly 01:59 joels68 Hello everyone 02:00 eythian cait: didn't you just go to bed about 15 minutes ago? 02:01 gmcharlt howdy 02:01 BobB_ hi joels68 02:01 gmcharlt who is running this meeting? 02:02 * edveal not it 02:02 * cait suggests someone who is more awake 02:02 oleonard Smeller's the feller. 02:02 gmcharlt I'll do it, then 02:02 gmcharlt #startmeeting General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013 02:02 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 6 02:02:40 2013 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 02:02 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting__6_november_2013' 02:02 gmcharlt #info Agenda is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_6_November_2013 02:03 gmcharlt #topic Introductions 02:03 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 02:03 BobB_ Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia 02:03 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt = Galen Charton, Equinox Software, Inc. 02:03 BobB_ sorry 02:03 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 02:03 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba Argentina 02:03 edveal #info Ed Veal w/ ByWater Solutions 02:03 BobB_ #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia 02:03 rhcl #info rhcl = Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 02:03 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT 02:03 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 02:04 joels68 #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek Library System MN USA 02:04 khall #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions 02:05 mtj #info, Mason James, NZ 02:06 gmcharlt ok - latecomers can continue to introduce themselves 02:07 gmcharlt #topic Announcement 02:07 clintD #info clintD 02:07 gmcharlt #info 3.14 beta is out; folks are encouraged to test 02:07 gmcharlt any other announcements? 02:07 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 02:08 gmcharlt going once 02:08 gmcharlt going twice 02:08 gmcharlt #topic Update on Koha 3.8 02:09 gmcharlt #info Koha 3.8.19 was released on 29 October 2013 02:09 gmcharlt clrh_: around? any further update? 02:09 BobB_ #info there is a volunteer to continue as RMaint for 3.8 02:09 cait cjh: ? 02:10 gmcharlt cait++ # oops 02:10 gmcharlt BobB_: not officially, yet. Paul A. has discussed doing so on koha-devel but has not to date put his name on the wiki 02:10 cjh cait: I am not yet sure if I will continue on as rmaint. 02:11 BobB_ ok 02:11 gmcharlt OK, moving on 02:11 gmcharlt #topic Update on 3.10 02:12 bgkriegel All well on 3.10, no news. Last release a litle bit late, waiting for 3.12 02:12 gmcharlt bgkriegel++ 02:12 gmcharlt charging forward 02:12 gmcharlt #topic Update on 3.12 02:13 Bruce_ #info Bruce Metcalf, Augustan Society 02:13 gmcharlt #info 3.12.6 released on 28 October 2013 02:13 gmcharlt I don't see tcohen here, so moving on 02:13 gmcharlt #topic Update on 3.14 02:13 gmcharlt #info 3.14 beta is available for testing 02:14 cait gmcharlt++ 02:14 bgkriegel gmcharlt++ 02:14 gmcharlt #action All the people will test the beta 02:14 joels68 #agreed 02:15 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt will branch 3.14.x later this week, thereby allowing enhancements to continue to go into master 02:15 gmcharlt any questions for me? 02:15 bgkriegel no more string changes? 02:16 gmcharlt bgkriegel: no more string changes for 3.14.x, correct 02:16 bgkriegel ok then 02:16 drojf good morning #koha 02:16 gmcharlt bgkriegel: will there be any problem for you to switch branches from master to 3.14.x for Pootle? 02:17 bgkriegel not at all 02:17 gmcharlt great 02:17 cait bgkriegel++ :) 02:17 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, late 02:18 gmcharlt ok, moving on 02:18 gmcharlt #topic Elections for 3.16 02:18 gmcharlt #info List of roles and candidates proposed for 3.16 is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.16 02:19 gmcharlt OK, so, I guess let's do this 02:19 gmcharlt I'll start from the bottom of the page up 02:19 gmcharlt so, Chad Roseburg has volunteered to be Newletter Editor, and Joanne Dillon has volunteered to assist 02:20 gmcharlt floor is open: please indicate your position with +1, 0, or -1 02:20 oleonard +1 02:20 davidnind +1 02:20 cait +1 02:20 drojf +1 02:20 bgkriegel +1 02:20 khall +1 02:20 Bruce_ 0 02:20 eythian +1 02:20 edveal +1 02:20 joels68 +1 02:20 BobB_ +1 02:20 clintD +1 02:21 gmcharlt +1 02:21 gmcharlt #agreed Chad Roseburg is elected Newsletter Editor, with Joanne Dillon assisting 02:21 gmcharlt next up 02:21 gmcharlt Samuell Dasseaux has volunteered to be a meeting chair 02:21 gmcharlt he's located in France, so presumably will cover the UTC+10:00 timeslot 02:22 gmcharlt floor is open for voting 02:22 oleonard +1 02:22 davidnind +1 02:22 bgkriegel +1 02:22 edveal +1 02:22 joels68 +1 02:22 BobB_ +1 02:22 oleonard JDatTeTakere you just missed being elected official assistant to the newsletter editor 02:22 khall +1 02:22 drojf +1 02:22 cait +1 02:22 oleonard It was a glorious victory 02:23 gmcharlt +1 02:23 BobB_ :) 02:23 gmcharlt #agreed Samuel Desseaux elected as a meeting chair 02:23 gmcharlt next up, bug wranglers 02:23 gmcharlt Joanne Dillon and Chris Cormack have volunteered to serve in this capacity 02:23 gmcharlt floor is open for voting 02:23 oleonard +1 02:23 khall +1 02:23 drojf +1 02:24 edveal +1 02:24 eythian +1 02:24 davidnind +1 02:24 bgkriegel +1 02:24 cait +1 02:24 joels68 +1 02:24 BobB_ +1 02:24 BobB_ #idea Is there any controversy about any nomination? Should we take them as a set? 02:24 gmcharlt BobB_: good question, hold on a second 02:24 gmcharlt #agreed Joanne Dillon and Chris Cormack elected as bug wrangler 02:25 * oleonard votes for all the things 02:25 khall we could vote on voting for the set 02:25 gmcharlt OK, adopting BobB_'s idea, I'll put the question 02:25 gmcharlt +1, 0, or -1 for adopting the remaining project position proposals as per http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.16? 02:25 khall +1 02:25 joels68 +1 02:25 edveal +1 02:25 BobB_ +1 02:25 Bruce_ +1 02:25 oleonard +1 02:26 davidnind +1 02:26 bgkriegel +1 02:26 cait +1 02:26 eythian +1 02:26 drojf +1 02:27 gmcharlt +1 02:27 * gmcharlt will hold the floor open for two more minutes in case anybody wants to express an objection 02:28 gmcharlt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Obmnz_1hZk 02:29 cait :) 02:29 gmcharlt OK, the two minutes are up, so I'm calling the result 02:29 oleonard For thornier issues there's this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTyN-vvFIkE 02:29 gmcharlt please bear with me as I do a bunch of #agreeds 02:30 gmcharlt #agreed Samuel Desseaux elected as VM manager 02:30 gmcharlt #agreed Robin Sheat elected as packaging manager 02:30 gmcharlt #agreed Jared Camins-Esakov elected as module maintainer for authorities 02:30 gmcharlt #agreed Kyle Hall elected as module maintainer for holds 02:30 gmcharlt #agreed Tomas Cohen Arazi elected as module maintainer for the Debian scripts 02:31 gmcharlt #aggree Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as release maintainer for 3.10.x 02:31 gmcharlt #agreed Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as release maintainer for 3.10.x 02:31 gmcharlt #agreed Tomas Cohen Arazi elected as release maintainer for 3.12.x 02:31 gmcharlt #agreed Fridolyn Somers elected as release maintainer for 3.14.x 02:32 gmcharlt #agreed Ruth Bavousett, Kyle Hall, Paul Polain, Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, and Jonathan Druart elected as members of the QA team 02:32 gmcharlt #agreed Katrin Fischer elected as QA manager 02:32 gmcharlt #agreed Joy Nelson elected as database documentation manger, with Samuel Desseaux assisting 02:33 gmcharlt #agreed Nicole Engard elected as documentation manager 02:33 gmcharlt #agreed Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as translation manager 02:33 gmcharlt #agreed Galen Charlton elected as release manager 02:33 cait gmcharlt++ :) 02:34 gmcharlt my fingers have now filed a petition to secede from the union 02:34 gmcharlt ;) 02:34 khall indeed! 02:34 BobB_ congratulations to everyone on that list :) 02:34 oleonard Especially those who hold office for the first time! Welcome! 02:35 gmcharlt the position of 3.8.x release maintainer is unfilled. given that there is some interest from folks to continue that branch, I propose that we postpone the question of whether to fill that role to the December IRC meeting 02:35 cait +1 02:35 BobB_ +1 02:35 joels68 +1 02:36 Bruce_ +1 02:36 oleonard +1 02:36 crose Hello, this is chad roseburg. I missed the voting, but am here to discuss the fate of the newsletter if anyone is interested 02:36 drojf +1 02:36 khall +1 02:36 davidnind +1 02:36 bgkriegel +1 02:36 gmcharlt crose: your election as newsletter editor has been confirmed, by the way 02:36 BobB_ crose, you have been elected Newsletter editor, congratulations! 02:36 cait congrats :) 02:37 joels68 Here here!! 02:37 crose Sounds good. I'm looking forward to it. Thanks! 02:37 BobB_ and you have an assistant - JD from NZ 02:37 gmcharlt #agreed whether to continue the 3.8.x branch and elected an rmaint for it to be decided by the December IRC meeting 02:37 crose Glad to have help. I have a baby on the way any day now 02:37 cait congrats again :) 02:38 gmcharlt crose++ # increaing the number of future Koha hackers ;) 02:38 crose Thanks 02:38 crose And hack we will 02:38 oleonard We need a gallery of Koha babies somewhere. 02:39 gmcharlt #topic Debrief on KohaCon 13 02:39 crose Where can I get an infant sized koha onesie? 02:39 khall congrats! 02:40 gmcharlt crose: via CafePress, actually 02:40 crose Ok thanks 02:40 oleonard Didn't bag show off one? 02:40 gmcharlt oleonard: now that you mention it, I think so 02:40 cait future koha developer 02:40 * oleonard does not mean to imply that bag himself modeled the onesie 02:40 cait heh 02:40 BobB_ lol 02:41 khall lol 02:41 gmcharlt as far as the conference goes, first, I'd like to extend kudos to Nancy Keener and the rest of the folks at the Washcoe County Library for doing a wonderful job 02:41 cait :) 02:41 BobB_ here, here, very well done 02:41 cait +1! 02:41 oleonard Many many thanks go to them 02:41 Bruce_ +1 02:41 rhcl +1 02:41 gmcharlt er, Washoe County 02:41 khall +2 even! 02:41 joels68 Jolly good show! +1 02:41 davidnind +1 02:42 gmcharlt #agreed the community thanks Nancy Keener and the other staff at the Washoe County Library system for hosting KohaCon13 02:42 Bruce_ I have to expand: this was the most helpful and successful conference I've ever had the privilege to take part in, and I've attended plenty. 02:42 gmcharlt and kudos to all of the other folks who volunteered for the conference 02:42 cait it was great. 02:43 BobB_ many kittens were saved 02:43 gmcharlt any other comments regarding KohaCon 13? 02:43 rhcl amenities (snacks) were good 02:44 Bruce_ As a first-timer, I would respectfully suggest that the nature of the event might have been explained with a bit greater clarity. 02:44 BobB_ #info Daniel Grobani listed info sources in the last community newsletter - very helpful reference 02:44 Bruce_ Those who have attended before need only "KohaCon", others might need more. 02:45 oleonard Bruce_: Beyond the program listing? 02:45 drojf Bruce_: what would you have liked to know? 02:45 Bruce_ Yes. The program listing was fine, but I had no idea what level the hackfest would be conducted on. I was most happy to discover that I could contribute, but I almost left after Saturday. 02:45 talljoy #info Joy Nelson ByWater solutions 02:46 BobB_ Bruce_ : we are glad you did not :) 02:46 Bruce_ Me too. 02:46 gmcharlt indeed 02:47 Bruce_ I plan to give this question some thought and contact the hosts of KohaCon14 with my suggestions. 02:47 gmcharlt Bruce_++ 02:47 Bruce_ ... assuming they don't call me first! 02:47 BobB_ Bruce_ ++ 02:47 gmcharlt also, a nice seque to ... 02:47 gmcharlt #topic KohaCon 14 and 15 02:48 bgkriegel We are beginning the organization and found raising (for KohaCon14) 02:49 Bruce_ Idea: Ask those who will not be able to attend to contribute an "absence fee" in an amount of their choosing. 02:49 BobB_ hmm, the idea has merit 02:49 bgkriegel Ok 02:50 Bruce_ Even a small amount sent by all those who *wish* they could attend might do wonders. 02:51 gmcharlt another idea, via feedback from KohaCon12 that I got from slef: consider offering an "enhanced ticket" as a way for libraries who want to sponsor, but who are not allowed to directly give funds for such a thing, to pay extra 02:51 eythian At a conference here, they call them high-rollers. 02:51 eythian They get better chairs :) 02:51 gmcharlt heh 02:51 BobB_ business class? 02:52 gmcharlt any other questions/comments for bgkriegel? 02:52 * talljoy just needs extra legroom 02:53 eythian * talljoy is now known as shortjoy 02:53 eythian fixed. 02:53 BobB_ bgkriegel, it will be good to set the date as soon as you can 02:53 gmcharlt reason #1 to avoid an outfit calling itself the Procrustean Hotel 02:53 rhcl yes indeed 02:54 bgkriegel Ok 02:54 gmcharlt regarding KohaCon 15 -- an observation: Africa is the one continent that has not yet hosted a KohaCon 02:55 gmcharlt (I'm making the wild assumption that an Antarctic one is never going to be practical any time soon) 02:55 gmcharlt so move on 02:55 BobB_ gmcharlt: I had to Google procrustean - very funny (and apt) 02:55 rhcl what about Asia, particularly the far east? 02:56 oleonard It was suggested that for KohaCon 15 the voting be limited to proposals from Africa. 02:56 gmcharlt rhcl: that's also a region not yet represented, but there was a KohaCon in India a couple years ago 02:56 BobB_ we can't mandate that, but the sentiment is out there 02:57 gmcharlt agreed, and one that I for one am inclined to reinforce 02:57 oleonard I would think we could vote on that proposal at some time in the future 02:58 gmcharlt indeed 02:58 Bruce_ Cons need hosts, and it may be that those most likely have little experience in organizing such events. Perhaps a group of former hosts could be formed as a support group? 02:58 gmcharlt Bruce_: yes; that has happened anyway; most/all of the KohaCons to date have had volunteer help from folks who were involved in previous ones 02:59 Bruce_ I'm sure that's so, but is that offer of help advertised? 02:59 BobB_ and two potential bidders (Nigeria and Zambia) were at KohaCon12, so know the format 03:00 gmcharlt yes -- and to be clear, there have already been viable bids from Africa; I don't think there are any particular reservations concerning that 03:01 gmcharlt #topic Action items from the October IRC meeting 03:01 gmcharlt #info the one action item from the October IRC meeting, creating the 3.16 project roles wiki page, was completed by rangi 03:01 oleonard rangi++ 03:01 gmcharlt any last minute agenda items before we do the final one, setting the date of the next meeting? 03:02 edveal Should have done this at the top but I have a quick announcement. 03:02 * edveal and nengard created an XSLT Library page on the wiki. I have added a few snippets and I am sure the group can edit them and add to them. Just wanted to get the page up and running. 03:03 gmcharlt #info Announcement: edveal and nengard have created an XSLT library page on the wiki - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/XSLT_Library 03:03 gmcharlt edveal++ 03:03 gmcharlt nengard++ 03:03 talljoy yay! 03:03 gmcharlt OK, moving on 03:03 gmcharlt #topic setting time of next meeting 03:03 davidnind 18:00 UTC is the next one up, 4 December? 03:04 gmcharlt we go 2-18-10? 03:04 cait1 we go backwards 03:04 gmcharlt ok 03:04 cait1 i think 03:04 gmcharlt cait1, that's consistent with the previous meeting 03:05 gmcharlt OK, so putting the question: shall the next metting be at 18:00 UTC on 4 December 2013? 03:05 davidnind +1 03:05 Bruce_ +1 03:05 BobB_ sounds right, but eek, it'll be 5am here 03:05 drojf +1 03:05 edveal +1 03:05 rhcl +1 03:05 BobB_ +1 03:05 drojf BobB_: it's 4am here now :P 03:05 bgkriegel +1 03:05 joels68 +1 03:05 talljoy +1 03:05 oleonard +1 03:05 BobB_ droif, point taken' 03:05 drojf :) 03:06 gmcharlt #agreed the next general IRC meeting will be held at 18:00 on 4 December 2013 03:06 oleonard @later remind someone to change the topic to reflect the next meeting date and time 03:06 huginn oleonard: I suck 03:06 cait1 +1 03:06 cait1 sorry, sleepy :) 03:06 khall +1 03:06 gmcharlt OK, thanks everybody 03:06 gmcharlt #endmeeting 03:06 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 6 03:06:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 03:06 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_irc_meeting__6_november_2013.2013-11-06-02.02.html 03:06 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_irc_meeting__6_november_2013.2013-11-06-02.02.txt 03:06 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_irc_meeting__6_november_2013.2013-11-06-02.02.log.html 03:07 drojf gmcharlt++ 03:07 BobB_ thanks gmcharlt, thanks everyone 03:07 cait1 gmcharlt++ 03:07 cait1 and good night :) 03:07 davidnind gmcharlt++ 03:07 bgkriegel gmcharlt++ 03:07 * edveal waves by to everyone. 03:07 joels68 khall got a minute? 03:07 talljoy night night 03:07 * oleonard turns in 03:08 khall good morning, afternoon and night all! 03:08 Bruce_ ttfn 03:09 joels68 Hi BobB 03:12 joels68 bye. 03:15 jcamins eythian: I am now, for a few minutes. 03:15 eythian just looking at the patches to csvtomarc from you, you add a 'text' source. Does it differ from the 'literal' one that already exists? 03:16 jcamins Lemme check. 03:17 jcamins Doesn't look like it's different. 03:17 eythian OK cool. 03:17 eythian I'll have a go integrating some of them, though I think you were writing agaisnt a fairly old version, so we'll see how it goes. 03:18 jcamins Thanks. 03:18 eythian I really want the fixed-field support. 03:51 bag darn missed the meeting eh? 03:52 eythian yarp 03:56 bag well I meant to volunteer to QAA again - just added my name to the wiki page - but will be happy to QA a few patches again 03:56 bag started late in the last cycle - but will be better this next time :) 05:23 bag ah nice Aloo has finally cuddled up next to me on the couch 06:35 bag heya cait 06:37 cait hi ba 06:37 cait bag 06:37 cait sorry, still sleepy 06:37 bag well I'm getting sleepy but not yet 07:20 rangi evening 07:20 bag evening rangi 07:35 cait hi rangi 07:37 reiveune hello 07:40 rangi hi reiveune 07:41 reiveune hi rangi :) 07:54 mtj hey peeps 07:55 mtj rangi, are you gonna go to kiwicon this weekend? 07:55 samueld hi everybody 07:55 mtj hi samueld 07:57 rangi yup 07:58 cait hi samueld 07:59 mtj cool, me too :p (my 1st time) 08:00 rangi you'll enjoy it 08:00 rangi just dont bring a laptop that you havent nailed down ;-) 08:01 mtj ha!..., yeah i heard 08:01 mtj hermm. i *think* my laptop is nailed down :) 08:02 mtj ...tho, i might discover otherwise :/ 08:02 rangi i never take mine 08:02 rangi you dont need it 08:02 mtj good advice 08:02 cait pen and paper then? :) 08:04 mtj inside palm 08:05 mtj heh, not to be confused with one's 'outside palm' :) 08:07 rangi :) 08:09 cait brb 08:35 * magnuse waves 08:48 magnuse kia ora kf 08:59 magnuse kia ora paul_p 09:00 kf hi magnuse and paul_p 09:00 * magnuse missed the meeting, again 09:01 paul_p good morning/evening/afternoon/whatever everybody 09:01 magnuse @wunder marseille 09:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 16.0°C (9:30 AM CET on November 06, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 09:02 magnuse nice 09:02 ashimema morning paul 09:02 magnuse @wunder boo 09:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.21 in 989 hPa (Rising). 09:02 kf magnuse: we made you rm 09:02 paul_p magnuse I confirm : very nice and sunny weather today ;-) 09:02 paul_p kf really ? congrats magnuse :D :D 09:02 magnuse woohoo! 09:03 paul_p kf or do you mean rm -fr magnuse ? which would not be a good news ;-) 09:03 * magnuse is instantly drunk with power 09:03 kf magnuse: no we didn't - hope i didn't send oyu into shock 09:03 paul_p magnuse "with great power comes great responsibilities" said spiderman uncle ! 09:03 * magnuse read the minutes this morning ;-) 09:03 magnuse yeah, too much responsibility, i'll pass ;-) 11:07 kivilahtio wow my zebra doesn't index 11:07 kivilahtio It ran out of idex memory 11:07 kivilahtio 12:43:01-06/11 zebraidx(27798) [fatal] mf_write: recdB error (4) no more space 11:07 kivilahtio 12:43:01-06/11 zebraidx(27798) [fatal] /var/lib/koha/openlibrary/biblios/register: max=21474836480 used=21474834528 available=1952 11:07 kivilahtio Increased both biblio and shadow registers from 20G to 25G 11:08 kivilahtio doing a full reindex 11:08 kivilahtio hope it helps 11:13 magnuse fingers crossed! 11:14 kivilahtio strange thing is that i got the memory limit on my n:th reindex_zebra.pl query 11:58 kivilahtio lol It took me 1h to send email with Koha vs 1 week for Evergreen 11:58 kf 1 week? 11:59 kivilahtio kf: not sure if it was ctive work, but this seems to have been the case with our Evergreen efforts 11:59 kivilahtio kf: I didn't do those things with Evergreen 11:59 kivilahtio kf: so I wouldn't know 100% but my experience has been very negative. 12:00 kivilahtio kf: I think it included getting to know the system and configuring some email servers, but I did the same with Koha so... 12:00 kivilahtio now to crack the SMS and snailmail from email nuts 12:18 marcelr hi #koha 12:24 kf hi marcelr 12:25 kf kivilahtio: sorry, quite busy here - might always take a while for me to read back these days 12:25 marcelr hi kf 12:25 marcelr kf: we will have another six months of qa.. 12:25 marcelr :) 12:25 kf yeah... why did we agree to that again? :) 12:25 marcelr no idea 12:26 gmcharlt and more after that six months has expired, I hope ;) 12:26 marcelr probably 12:51 kivilahtio any suggestions how I should make a HTTP-request from a Perl module? 12:51 kivilahtio I am working to integrate our SMS provider to Koha 12:51 kivilahtio they provide a SMS-gateway with some nice things, like sms-delivery checks 12:52 kivilahtio any ideas does Koha use some preset packages so I wouldnt have to add yet another dependecy 12:55 kivilahtio Well LWP::Simple seems to be in Koha already 12:55 kivilahtio so I think I got the answer already :) 12:55 marcelr grep -r SMS * 12:57 Joubu kivilahtio: If you are interested by sending SMS in Koha, maybe you will be interested by bug 9016 (and others linked). 12:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9016 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Multi transport types for notices 13:11 tcohen morning #koha 13:12 jcamins kivilahtio: I always give at least 40GB for both biblio and shadow. 13:13 kivilahtio jcamins: yikes 13:13 kivilahtio jcamins: I fixed a "small" bug in our data migration toolset and we got all of our child records with the migration. DB jumped from 350 000 to 1 100 000 records :) 13:14 kivilahtio Joubu: interesting 13:14 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 13:14 jcamins kivilahtio: with 1.1m records I'd probably go up to 100G. 13:18 kivilahtio jcamins: you think Zebra really needs so much space? 13:18 kivilahtio jcamins: I thought we could squeeze our DB smaller with Koha :( 13:18 kivilahtio jcamins: can we run it from RAM? 13:19 kivilahtio jcamins: this 100G is just for indexes or? 13:19 jcamins Probably not, but disk space is cheap, and the worst feeling ever is when you get 90% of the way through a reindex only to have it run out of space; and no, the indexes need to be stored somewhere no matter what system. 13:19 jcamins If you had enough RAM you could use a ramdisk. 13:20 tcohen Buy SSD disks for your server 13:20 kivilahtio tcohen: Already using 13:20 kivilahtio tcohen: couldn't live without :) 13:20 kivilahtio tcohen: And I feelthis might solve the zebra-issue 13:21 kivilahtio somehow zebra searches are still super fast 13:21 jcamins Oh, Zebra's very fast. 13:34 tcohen icu? 13:34 wahanui somebody said icu was a good idea. 13:41 kivilahtio Joubu: This looks pretty awesome! We need things like these definetely. 13:42 kivilahtio Joubu: We have the need to create a 2€ notification fine for letter1 letter2 letter3. 13:42 kivilahtio Joubu: I guess I could add your module as a dependency for it 13:42 kivilahtio Joubu: now that I am working on this notifications issue 13:55 kf gmcharlt: about the translation problem - it's only in CCSR i think 13:55 kf gmcharlt: so not sure if it's worth investing a lot of thought here if Owen didn't do something like it (which i doubt :) ) 13:56 gmcharlt kf: there are a few uses of content: in prog and Bootstrap, but at first glance not for strings that need to be translated 13:56 gmcharlt I was just being through in my response :) 13:57 kf yep :) 13:57 kf and i appreciate translation problem taken seriously :) 13:57 kf we never introduced ccsr templates to our libraries here, so we kind of avoided running into that 14:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #104 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #98 29 days ago) 14:41 samueld hi, i've forgotten something: how to apply manually a patch in koha? 14:59 tcohen samueld: are talking about a production server? 14:59 tcohen if you're talking about git it must be something like 14:59 tcohen git am -3 -u patch 15:00 samueld it's apatch on bugzilla 15:00 samueld a patch 15:01 tcohen and where do u want to apply it? 15:02 tcohen a git repository clone? 15:02 tcohen git bz apply XXX 15:04 samueld ok, i'll test 15:04 tcohen git bz? 15:04 wahanui i heard git bz was so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL 15:09 tcohen is fridolyn here? 15:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #104: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/104/ 15:15 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9531: Make SIP2 message terminator configurable via SIPconfig.xml 15:15 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10331 - Little errors in unimarc_field_4XX.pl (punctuation) 15:15 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10564 - use OPACURLOpenInNewWindow in UNIMARCslim2OPACResults.xsl 15:15 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10817: return hold items info in SIP Patron Info Response 15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9531 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Make SIP2 message terminator configurable via SIPconfig.xml 15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10331 trivial, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Stable , Little errors in unimarc_field_4XX.pl (punctuation) 15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10564 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , use OPACURLOpenInNewWindow in UNIMARCslim2OPACResults.xsl 15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10817 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , SIPserver does not return holds info when requested 15:26 mtompset Greetings, #koha 15:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11204: make pendingreserves use datatables.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fa616821c3fff93aeecb73d8cd28316e929a027> 15:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #212 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED) 15:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #1498 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:14 banana If anybody gives a hoot, the newest version of Freenas is pretty cool. A NAS box based on it would make a good Koha data backup/storage unit. 16:20 tcohen back online 16:24 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. :) 16:24 tcohen hi! 16:25 mtompset Question: Does the date displayed in OPAC News annoy you? Does it even make sense to display it all the time? 16:38 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #212: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/212/ 16:38 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 11204: make pendingreserves use datatables.inc 16:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11204 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , pendingreserves should use datatables.inc 16:46 tcohen rangi: is it possible to restore a 3.12.x DB for jenkins 3.12 build? 16:55 kf oh no oleonard 16:55 kf mtompset: if it annoys a library i use css on that :) 16:55 kf display:none 16:55 wahanui somebody said display:none was usually what is used. Where's that from? 16:56 mtompset kf: But what if it is only annoying for SOME of them? 16:56 talljoy morning #koha 16:56 kf then you might want to rethink how you are using them? 16:58 mtompset Perhaps. I was thinking of using News items for publishing Library Hours. 16:58 mtompset I suppose you can say when the library hours were published. 16:59 kf you could use the mainuserblock for that 17:00 mtompset but filter mainuserblock for branches doesn't make as much sense as filtering news by branch. :) 17:06 kf if you care deeply about it you could add a checkbox to display the date -but maybe just hide it and add it to the news entry if you need it? 17:16 kf Joubu++ :) and ashimema++ too 17:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1498: SUCCESS in 1 hr 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1498/ 17:46 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 11204: make pendingreserves use datatables.inc 17:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11204 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , pendingreserves should use datatables.inc 17:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #105 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #98 29 days ago) 18:24 rangi @later tell tcohen not easily no, what you could do is get bgkriegels node set up to run that, and put the job to run on there, I won't have time to do that this week 18:24 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 18:25 * Bruce_ waves hello 18:26 Bruce_ I have a wee SQL challenge, if someone feels inclined to assist. 18:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #105: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/105/ 18:26 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10718: fix items with no checkouts report 18:26 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 10810 - Fix synopsis for -html option to overdue_notices.pl 18:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10718 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , items with no checkouts report does not work 18:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10810 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Fix synopsis for -html option to overdue_notices.pl 18:31 Bruce_ A Director has asked me for a list of our few most valuable books. I do have "replacment cost" entered for most, but could neither find a report on the web that included that, nor something that looked like I could adapt it. Might someone suggest a URL which could be of help to me? 18:51 reiveune bye 18:58 * magnuse pokes a finger into the ribs of bug 6554 18:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, ketan, Failed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 18:59 magnuse anyone feeling like fixing the encoding problems before our pi hits the streets? 19:05 rangi not that way, no 19:06 rangi cos all those patches just make it worse 19:07 magnuse ah, there is a better way? 19:07 rangi @later tell Bruce_ you want to include the items.replacementprice column 19:07 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 19:07 rangi magnuse: much better, find where the non utf8 characters are sneaking in, and fix it there 19:08 rangi we should never be trying to encode/decode in the pl scripts 19:08 magnuse rangi: i think you had some idea about that before kohacon? 19:08 rangi because if your are actually using utf8 all those patches do is double encode 19:08 rangi they only work if you have non utf-8 data 19:08 magnuse yeah, we don't want that :-) 19:09 magnuse but fixing it at the source will mean we will have double encoding in some places, i guess? 19:09 rangi what we want is to only store utf8 19:10 magnuse btw, i was working with the fine folks at opl on monday and tuesday, and we had a weird encoding problem 19:10 rangi not munge it on output 19:10 magnuse 3 of the tabs showing sysprefs were showing norwegian wovels weirdly 19:10 rangi theres lots of munge on output bandaids 19:10 magnuse yeah 19:10 rangi that result in exactly those issues 19:11 magnuse so we need to fix it at the source and then weed out the bandaids? 19:11 rangi thats my plan 19:11 magnuse ooh you have a plan? :-) 19:11 magnuse does the plan come with a timeframe? ;-) 19:12 rangi not much beyond that, the hard thing is spotting what the encoding is, on input and making sure we dont store crud 19:12 magnuse kill all the crud! 19:14 magnuse the problem we saw was ok on debian, both master and 3.12.6, and it was ok with master on ubuntu, at least for me. when i checked out 3.12.6, i could reproduce it. but for petter i think master was broken on ubuntu too 19:14 magnuse it looked like it might have something to do with versions of YAML.pm or something related to that 19:15 magnuse what happened was that the contents of the YAML files generated by installing a translation were different 19:16 rangi hmm interesting 19:16 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:16 rangi it could be locales 19:16 magnuse the bad ones had unquoted strings and showed norwegian vowels directly, the ok ones had quoted strings and showed norwegian vowels as um, something involving {} i think it was 19:16 rangi ie if you run the translate scripts on a machine not set up with a utf8 19:16 rangi maybe you get iso files 19:16 rangi not utf8 ones 19:17 magnuse but for me it changed between master and the 3.12.x branch 19:17 magnuse ...too 19:17 * magnuse waves to cait 19:17 rangi interesting 19:17 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:17 rangi yeah, encoding ones are hard to track down, because so many variables 19:17 magnuse we didn't have the time to really get to the bottom of it 19:17 magnuse yeah 19:18 * magnuse hates encoding problems 19:18 * cait waves 19:20 magnuse debian did not seem to have the problem, and the version of YAML there was older than on ubuntu 19:20 rangi that should be testable 19:20 rangi by cpanning on a newer version 19:21 rangi then removing it again 19:21 bag heya magnuse and cait 19:21 bag oh yeah rangi too :P 19:21 magnuse yeah, i thought about writing a minimal test case thinger, but didn't get around to it 19:21 magnuse hiya bag! 19:21 bag how's the boy doing magnuse 19:22 bag err girl (if I didn't remember correctly) 19:22 magnuse bag: apart from a broken thighbone, *he's* doing fine ;-) 19:22 cait heh 19:23 bag wow broken thighbone - poor little guy 19:23 bag climbing on something and fall off? 19:24 magnuse nah, being carried by his mother, who fell on some slippery stairs 19:24 magnuse oops, that's him, gotta run 19:27 bag oh man poor mommy too 19:28 bag hey cait - I'd like to volunteer to do QAA again for 3.16 (that's if you'll have me again) I was thinking that I will add that to the next general meeting agenda - so that we could get a vote on it 19:28 cait bag: that's exactly what i wanted to say to you too :) 19:29 cait so of course and yep 19:29 bag cool thanks as always cait 19:29 cait you just volunteered... so i should say thank you :) 19:34 maximep starting to work on bug 6934. I wonder if I should transform that new report into a plugin 19:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6934 enhancement, P3, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , New report Cash Register Statistics 19:34 maximep I guess plugins won't make it into the core, but probably easier to maintain 19:35 banana @seen jcamins 19:35 huginn banana: jcamins was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 14 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <jcamins> Oh, Zebra's very fast. 19:37 mtompset Anyone here familiar with gitolite? 21:10 marjorie Hi, i think that we can not make partial writeoff? Is there already a demand for it on bz ? 21:14 cait hi marjorie 21:14 cait i think there is no report yet 21:15 marjorie i think too, i did not found a bug on bz but i wanted to be sure 21:15 cait you should file one :) 21:18 pianohacker $ git vim 21:18 marjorie yes i do! thanks cait! 21:18 pianohacker git: 'vim' is not a git command 21:18 pianohacker derp 21:21 rambuten @later tell wizzyrea Big article in Computers in Libraries by NEKLS/Robin Hastings about a big Kansas digital project 21:21 huginn rambuten: The operation succeeded. 21:22 rambuten @later tell wizzyrea cf Kete, DSpace and Omeka. They chose Omeka. 21:22 huginn rambuten: The operation succeeded. 21:24 eythian hi 21:24 rambuten In other news of the day... 21:25 rambuten [off] Liblime announces Koha 4.16 with Lucene's search engine Solr. 21:25 cait [off] isn't that old news? 21:25 rambuten It's in the current issue of Computers in Libraries....just came in today 21:25 pianohacker wow 21:26 pianohacker shame = sqrt(-0) 21:27 eythian 0? 21:30 pianohacker eythian: I was going for an imaginary 0, but stretching the math a bit :) 21:37 tcohen hi #koha 21:50 tcohen hi rangi 22:00 bag heya tcohen 22:00 tcohen hi bag! 22:03 pianohacker hey tcohen 22:08 rangi [off] theyve announced that bout 6 times now 22:11 tcohen rangi, i've never set a jenkins node 22:11 tcohen is it idficult? 22:12 rangi not really, basically that machine has a user (jenkins) that jenkins connects with 22:12 rangi it just needs koha being set up on there with a 3.12.x database, and the rest can all be configured from within jenkins 22:13 tcohen and that Koha setup has some specific details ? 22:16 rangi not really it just needs to finish its install, and then all i need to know is where the koha-conf.xml is 22:17 rangi then jenkins does a git checkout, and runs all the tests using the koha-conf.xml 22:19 rangi ill just find sample config 22:20 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Continuous_Integration 22:20 rangi thats for the master branch 22:20 rangi so what jenkins does is ssh to a node, run up a java programme that then runs the commands you tell it to, and reports back 22:21 rangi so theres really nothing you have to install on the node, except an ssh key and java, (thats all done) 22:21 rangi and then the rest is specific to your project, so install a koha in this case (thats not finished) 22:23 rangi tcohen: does that make sense? 22:23 tcohen almost 22:23 tcohen :-D 22:23 rangi :) 22:24 tcohen so I fire a VM, with java installed and a jenkins user 22:25 rangi yep, so bgkriegel has one 22:25 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/computer/Bernardo/ 22:26 rangi so if we get a 3.12.x on there, and then i can switch jenkins to run the 3.12.x job there instead 22:26 rangi its currently not doing much of anything 22:28 tcohen i'll ask him to let me access the server 22:28 rangi perfect 22:35 pianohacker cait: I had an idea about bug 8133 22:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed 22:35 poorguy hello, I'm trying to import patrons from csv, it works however when I visit patrons page, I see unicode chars corrupted. I'm using 3.12.06 and I've checked my database, patron names look ok there. 22:36 poorguy any my csv file is utf8 encoded 22:36 poorguy and* 22:41 cait pianohacker: sorry was afk - what's the idea? 22:43 pianohacker cait: np, know it's late for ya. I was thinking of taking out all the preliminary refactoring and putting it in it's own bug 22:43 pianohacker making 8133's patches more focused 22:43 rangi poorguy: hmm i havent seen that before, it sounds to me like the display is doing a double conversion 22:45 poorguy how can i prevent it from doing that? I think it's related to bug 6554 22:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, ketan, Failed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 22:47 rangi you probably cant, until that is fixed properly the fixes on that bug dont actually fix the problem 22:47 cait sounds good 22:47 cait pianohacker: 22:48 pianohacker cait: sweet, will do 22:48 pianohacker how are you doing? :) 22:48 cait well i don't know completely what it means... but splitting sounds good heh 22:48 cait bit tired 22:48 cait work is crazy 22:49 cait how are you doing? did the course work out where you missed the presentation? 22:49 * cait tries to remember it right 22:53 pianohacker cait: Yeah, my classmates were a bit grumpy with me, but they seemed okay and things apparently went well 22:53 pianohacker the only bad thing was that Tuesday, when I ended up with three tests in one day 22:54 cait ew 22:55 pianohacker yeah, not fun, though they all went decently. What do you have going on at work? 22:56 cait too much to start listing 22:56 cait i might not get sleep then :) 22:56 cait support, migrations, all that :) 22:58 poorguy yeah i've found the problem 22:58 cait poorguy: whatwas it? 22:58 poorguy if a patron category contains unicode characters 22:59 poorguy render fails 22:59 cait ah 22:59 cait yeah we avoid that 22:59 poorguy i mean patron category description, not the patron category code 23:01 cait why do you have the description in your csv? 23:04 poorguy i dont have description in csv 23:05 poorguy i just define category code in csv 23:05 cait hmm 23:05 cait wonder if i ever tried that 23:05 cait i think by accident our usual import categories don't have umlauts 23:05 poorguy i'll show you on a demo page if you want 23:06 cait you shoud file a bug i think 23:06 poorguy https://demo-admin.calyx.net.au/ login with user: anne password: koha then click patrons 23:07 poorguy you should see Ç (which should be Ç) in alphabet 23:07 eythian that's definitely double encoding 23:08 poorguy should i update the bug 6554 ? 23:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, ketan, Failed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 23:09 cait hm better file a separate bug with how to reproduce and link to it i think 23:09 poorguy ok 23:24 poorguy cait: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11212 23:24 huginn 04Bug 11212: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Using non english characters in patron category description causes double encoding 23:25 cait cool thx 23:31 pianohacker kk. I missed the meeting, but where would I volunteer as a module maintainer for admin starting next release? 23:33 cait pianohacker: i think put it on there - and I think we will have another vote at the next meeting 23:33 cait you will not be hte only one :) 23:35 pianohacker I'm not sure if I'll survive the _tremendous volume_ of patches to the admin interface, but I'm willing to try my best 23:36 cait there is a tremendous amount? 23:37 pianohacker massive sarcasm :) 23:38 * cait is translating