Time Nick Message
00:06 PSC Hi everyone - I'm just sticking my nose in to say g'day. Am working with BobB and his team to develop an "all e" library - no books, just pdfs, audio files, MP4 etc, for a specialist library. I'm a total Koha noob, so you might see me in here with "well D'UH!" type questions
00:07 BobB Hi PSC :)
00:08 cait hi PSC :)
00:08 cait and i should be sleeping... so... good night #koha :)
00:08 BobB hi cait!
00:08 wahanui hi cait! are you safely back in germany now?
00:08 BobB sleep well
00:09 BobB @wunder Adelaide, SA
00:09 huginn BobB: Error: No such location could be found.
00:09 BobB @wunder Adelaide South Australia
00:09 huginn BobB: The current temperature in Adelaide, South Australia is 16.0°C (10:00 AM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).
00:10 BobB hmm, cooler now
00:26 eythian wahanui: the sun is a miasma of incandescent plasma.
00:26 wahanui ...but sun is shining again - life is good!...
00:26 eythian wahanui, the sun is also a miasma of incandescent plasma.
00:26 wahanui okay, eythian.
00:28 PSC it
00:29 PSC quick fingers sorry - it's nice here (ADL) today, but I'm too scared to go out - got bitten by the day star yesterday and it's all a bit stingy
00:30 rambuten PSC: I'm guessing your project, and experiences with it, will be of interest to others. Plz feel free to keep us posted on your progress.
00:30 PSC Will do Rambuten - lots of interest in it actually, but it's a little bit of reluctance from my end given the "newness" of it. I'm not sure I'm comfy in the pioneer role!
00:31 rambuten Hey, you'll get all the credit!
00:35 PSC And all the tomatoes!
00:43 rambuten PSC: I didn't understand your reference to the "day star". What's that?
00:49 PSC Rambuten - it's what my partners "I hate going outside lock my in my dark room with my screen!" friend calls the sun :)
00:50 PSC my = me - sorry
00:52 jcamins PSC: I think rambuten meant that he's never seen such a thing. :P
00:54 PSC hahaha - oh ok - was trying to think of how to politely phrase "physics/IT nerd" ;)
00:55 rambuten OK, got it. The miasma of incadescent plasma was cranked up yesterday and the resulting death rays gave you an IR/UV inflamation of the skin and it's still burning.
00:57 rambuten I need to go acquire some hot tea.
00:57 mrx Hi everyone, I'm using C4::Biblio::ModBiblioMarc and trying to add a field 003 but it is getting appended as last field. Is there a way to enter a new field in the correct order?
00:59 eythian are you building the record using the MARC::Record and related tools?
00:59 eythian because if so, there are functions with that to add things in order.
01:01 jcamins mrx: you should not be using ModBiblioMarc directly. See the comments.
01:03 mrx Oh ok, actually want to update already harvested records but if a field doesn't exist, how to add it in order?
01:04 jcamins Take a look at the MARC::Record POD.
01:05 mrx thanks
01:05 jcamins It's something like insert_ordered or insert_grouped, or something.
01:16 mrx thank you, much appreciated
01:23 eythian btw bug 11196 solves two errors being logged for every search request. We were seeing 10-20,000 of these errors per day. The workaround is to go and explicitly save the syspref to put the value in the db.
01:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11196 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , SearchEngine pref not in sysprefs.sql
07:05 * cait waves
07:35 marcelr hi #koha
07:35 cait hi marcelr :)
07:35 marcelr hi cait
07:42 cait good morning and bbl :)
07:45 reiveune hello
07:45 wahanui hi, reiveune
10:08 kf good morning #koha :)
10:46 vfernandes hello :)
10:47 vfernandes it's possible to set removing records permissions only to some users?
10:50 kf hm curently i think the permissions there are not so detailed
10:51 kf if you can add and modify, you can also delete
11:11 vfernandes :/
11:11 vfernandes maybe I can "remove" the links using javascript
11:22 marcelr Joubu++ #qa 9788
11:55 kivilahtio wow we are facing cookie exhaustion here
12:09 tcohen morning #koha
12:11 kivilahtio morning tcohen
12:13 tcohen kivilahtio?
12:13 wahanui kivilahtio is running 3.4
12:13 kivilahtio thats not true
12:13 kivilahtio how do I change that?
12:13 tcohen wahanui: forget that
12:13 wahanui tcohen: I forgot that
12:14 kivilahtio we are testing master
12:14 tcohen wahanui: kivilahtio is testing master
12:14 wahanui ...but kivilahtio is running 3.4...
12:14 kivilahtio interesting
12:14 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
12:15 tcohen wahanui: forget kivilahtio is running 3.4
12:15 wahanui tcohen, I didn't have anything matching kivilahtio is running 3.4
12:15 kivilahtio interesting
12:15 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
12:17 kf forget kivilahtio
12:17 wahanui kf: I forgot kivilahtio
12:17 kf kivilahtio?
12:17 kf ;)
13:41 magnuse pootle is down?
13:55 kf khall++
14:22 magnuse fredericd: around?
14:25 kf bgkriegel runs it
14:25 kf he reported to the mailing list - it's a server problem in the data center
14:25 kf guess we have to wait
14:26 magnuse ah, ok
14:26 magnuse the wiki should be updated then :-)
14:26 magnuse @later tell bgkriegel: you might want to update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#translate.koha-community.org ;-)
14:26 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
14:32 tcohen we have a problem in a Storage Server, it takes 4 hours to reboot the whole cloud
14:33 tcohen so our sysadmins are planning WHEN to do it
14:33 tcohen because it involves a couple hundred servers
14:33 tcohen ^^^^magnuse, kf
14:37 magnuse tcohen: that sounds like fun :-)
14:37 kf eek
14:42 rambuten @wunder 64507
14:42 huginn rambuten: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 10.8°C (8:42 AM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
14:45 druthb @wunder 77098
14:45 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 17.8°C (8:45 AM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
15:03 oleonard Hi #koha
15:03 nengard hi oloenard
15:06 rambutan hi oleonard
15:12 kf gitify
15:12 kf gitify?
15:12 wahanui gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify
15:20 vfernandes can anyone help me with one thing?
15:20 tcohen yes
15:20 vfernandes on one of my Koha installation checking out it's too slow
15:20 tcohen errors in the logs?
15:20 vfernandes renew and check in are quick but checking out takes to long
15:21 vfernandes no errors
15:21 oleonard What version?
15:21 wahanui hmmm... version is always noted in a comment on top
15:21 vfernandes 3.12
15:23 vfernandes it takes almost 30s to do a checkout
15:24 vfernandes when I hit the button on the interface, the log on koha_access only appears +- 30s later
15:24 tcohen vfernandes: you might want to add log-slow-queries in your mysqld section (in my.cnf)
15:24 tcohen to log slow queries
15:25 tcohen it will generate a file /var/lib/mysql/slow_queries.log
15:25 tcohen in which queries that take more than 10 secs will be logged
15:26 tcohen also, try enabling the browser's builtin network profiler
15:26 tcohen so you can be sure which HTTP request is taking most of the time
15:26 vfernandes Koha BD is InnoBD?
15:27 tcohen yes
15:27 tcohen you could even add long_query_time = 1
15:27 tcohen (10'' > 1'')
15:27 vfernandes my.conf has commented lines to InnoDB tables
15:27 vfernandes *my.cnf
15:28 vfernandes should I uncommented that?
15:28 tcohen i wouldn't touch anything
15:29 tcohen just add those two lines
15:29 tcohen you might as well try this on a test sever
15:30 vfernandes ok let me put those lines
15:30 vfernandes should be under mysqld?
15:31 tcohen yes
15:35 vfernandes tcohen: slow queries log is clean
15:36 tcohen have you tried a new checkout?
15:36 vfernandes yes
15:36 tcohen so the problem is more a networking one
15:37 tcohen i'd launch the network profiler on chrome and see what is having the page on hold
15:39 vfernandes tcohen: i've reduced the slow time to 1s and when doing a checkout only one query appeared on the log
15:39 tcohen use paste.koha-community.org
15:39 vfernandes it took 1.26s to run and it's a select from message queue
15:40 tcohen do u have set Sendmail.pm to use an external SMTP server?
15:40 vfernandes no... local SMTP
15:41 tcohen 1.26 is too much, but not *that* much
15:41 vfernandes the message_queue has 258121 rows
15:42 tcohen so, there's network latency (hence my question on SMTP) and CPU cycles
15:42 tcohen can you try disabling sending a message on checkout?
15:42 vfernandes which is the best way to do that?
15:43 tcohen hmm, not sure, kf?
15:43 vfernandes i've removed patron messaging to the patron
15:43 kf hm? sorry, have not been reading
15:44 kf what is the question?
15:44 wahanui i think the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
15:44 vfernandes with patron messaging to checkouts off it takes the same amount of time
15:45 tcohen and the same slow query?
15:45 vfernandes yes
15:45 vfernandes no!
15:47 tcohen another one?
15:47 wahanui it has been said that another one is moving the box with a patrons loans, holds etc to the top of the "patron details" page. They need that information all the time and have to scroll to see it.
15:49 vfernandes no queries logged when checking out this time
15:49 tcohen what is the answer?
15:49 wahanui hmmm... the answer is always go back to sleep or 42
15:51 kf tcohen: can you keep us updated about the translation server/the planned restart?
15:51 tcohen of course
15:51 vfernandes i've turned on firebug to see the time it took in one checkout... 34.2s
15:52 tcohen right now i'm putting pressure on our IT people so they make a decision on rebooting our private cloud
15:52 tcohen what script is guilty of that vfernandes?
15:52 vfernandes circulation.pl is the script being envoked
15:53 tcohen and the one that takes most of the time
15:53 tcohen is not another .js problem
15:54 kf hm do we have good instructions on how to set up a dev environment withtout gitify?
15:54 vfernandes what can I do now?
15:55 kf tcohen: not trying to put pressure on you, but i will stop asking when i know you will send an email or something :) just trying to get it off my list ;)
15:55 tcohen vfernandes: i'm thinking. I'd first grab a db dump and try this on a dev server
15:55 tcohen kf: bgkriegel will send that email
15:55 kf oki :)
15:55 tcohen don't ask him, he just will
15:56 kf Joubu++
15:57 kf i won't and I know
15:57 kf he is good with things like that :)
15:57 kf so any ideas for dev environment setups?
15:57 kf one of our librries is interested in having a go sending patches :)
15:59 jcamins kf: there's a page.
15:59 kf trying to locate it
15:59 kf and ... failing
16:00 vfernandes tcohen: i've added some log to circulation.pl and the script it's taking more than 30s to run
16:00 kf jcamins: did you mean this one? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git
16:00 jcamins No.
16:00 kf good
16:00 jcamins I wrote a "how to get started developing" page ages ago.
16:00 kf i hope there is another :)
16:01 jcamins I don't see it, though.
16:01 kf me neither :(
16:01 jcamins I wonder if someone replaced it with something else.
16:01 jcamins Why don't you want to use gitify?
16:01 vfernandes what could be taking so long in the script?
16:01 tcohen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment
16:02 kf does that look right to you? i have no idea if the network setup part makes sense
16:02 tcohen vfernandes: i cannot help you on that right now, but maybe later i'll come back
16:03 kf it does not look right
16:03 kf n git
16:03 kf no git
16:03 tcohen no git
16:03 tcohen wrong article
16:03 kf we shoudl really make this easier to find...
16:03 jcamins That's because git is in part 2: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Dev_Env_Setup
16:04 kf ah ok, so this is more in the direction of what gitify does i think
16:04 kf what aboutt he oldfashioned way...
16:04 jcamins I have a book entitled _A_.
16:04 kf kohaclone
16:04 kf run the makefile?
16:05 kf jcamins: aren't you glad we don't have stop words now? ;)
16:05 jcamins kf: I had written a page, but it's gone.
16:06 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_tarball#Configure_Koha < that doesn't look too horrible
16:06 kf maybe
16:06 kf jcamins: boo :(
16:06 jcamins Mostly you just follow INSTALL.debian, though.
16:06 kf hm yeah, but it doesn't tell you git
16:06 kf i think
16:06 kf i need a dev, not a production system
16:06 jcamins My page was mostly about git, though.
16:07 jcamins It was just "clone the repo"... "follow INSTALL.debian"... "here's how to do development-y things with Koha."
16:07 jcamins I don't even know what the title means.
16:07 kf *sigh*
16:07 kf For a recommended git installation confirm these lines are in the file:
16:07 kf KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml KOHA_PATH=/usr/share/koha PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
16:08 kf aren't those paths standard install???
16:08 jcamins Yes, that's wrong.
16:08 jcamins git?
16:08 wahanui git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
16:10 jcamins Basically you just choose "dev" instead of "standard," and otherwise the installation process is the same.
16:10 jcamins Why don't you want to use gitify, though?
16:10 jcamins That's well-documented, and easy to use.
16:11 kf because the permissions drive me nuts.
16:11 kf because you can't set up the qa tools easily
16:11 vfernandes my problem is on method canBookBeIssued
16:11 kf because i can't help when he does it that way, but i will also point it out
16:11 kf i was just looking for the other option
16:12 vfernandes CanBookBeIssued should take this long to run
16:12 vfernandes *shouldn't
16:22 vfernandes I already know what it's taking so long
16:25 vfernandes it's on line 758 of Circulation.pl..... my $expiry_dt = DateTime->new(....);
16:27 vfernandes isn't this strange?
16:31 vfernandes tcohen: are you here?
16:32 Joubu vfernandes: do you have a lot of hollidays in your DB?
16:32 Joubu repeatable_holidays and special_holidays tables
16:33 vfernandes some...
16:33 vfernandes but the problem is that creating a new DateTime shouldn't take 30s
16:34 Joubu vfernandes: some == 5, 10, 100, 1000 ?
16:42 vfernandes less than 50
16:51 jcamins Hear me, oh OPAC developers!
16:52 jcamins Making the title of a book in the results screen into a link to the details page might sound like a good idea, but it isn't.
16:52 jcamins When the book is called "A", the patron will overlook the link. Repeatedly.
16:53 jcamins Well... making it into a link is fine. Just don't make it the only link.
16:57 * oleonard adds a button, "Click here to see more information about the book or video or whatever if you want to no big deal"
16:59 jcamins oleonard: perfect.
16:59 wahanui i think perfect is the enemy of good
17:00 oleonard Archive.org's Wayback machine is a national treasure.
17:01 jcamins oleonard: or enemy of the state.
17:02 * jcamins read "I think Archive.org's Wayback enemy machine is a national treasure."
17:08 rambutan huggin: wayback machine?
17:30 tcohen hi vfernandes
17:31 vfernandes hi tcohen
17:32 vfernandes i found my problem
17:32 vfernandes but i didn't solved it
17:32 vfernandes the problem is with DateTime->new and Time Zone Warnings
17:33 vfernandes Time Zone Warnings: Determining the local time zone for a system can be slow. If $ENV{TZ} is not set, it may involve reading a number of files in /etc or elsewhere. If you know that the local time zone won't change while your code is running, and you need to make many objects for the local time zone, it is strongly recommended that you retrieve the local time zone once and cache it
17:38 tcohen interesting
17:38 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
17:38 druthb wahanui: botsnack granola bar
17:38 wahanui thanks druthb :)
17:45 oleonard wahanui: botsnack Laffy Taffy why do people even buy it it's not right
17:45 wahanui :)
17:46 druthb lulz
17:55 kf bye all
18:01 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "vfernandes: try this" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/255
18:02 tcohen is not optimal in several ways, but it should work for caching the tz
18:02 tcohen it might serve as an experiment, just to see if it solves your problem
18:03 tcohen replace the "sub tz " definition at the bottom of your Context.pm file with this
18:05 tcohen vfernandes?
18:06 tcohen am I offline and I didn't notice?
18:07 jcamins tcohen: you're here.
18:07 * tcohen feels relief
18:07 jcamins Not sure if vfernandes is, but you are.
18:07 tcohen he
18:07 tcohen i hope he sees the logs at least
18:09 tcohen bye #koha
18:14 joels68 Hello Koha Comminity!
18:14 joels68 Community, rather.
18:15 oleonard Hi joels68
18:15 joels68 Hello Owen.
18:16 vfernandes sorry tcohen... I was trying to solve the problem
18:17 vfernandes the problem is not with C4::Context->tz
18:17 vfernandes the access to that variable is quickly
18:18 vfernandes the DateTime->new when time_zone is passed takes so long to calculate... if in new I remove time_zone the script Circulation.pm stops 30s at DateTime->compare
18:19 bag hello
18:20 rambutan hey bag
18:20 bag hey rambutan
18:20 wahanui i think rambutan is not from NZ
18:21 oleonard wahanui if you had come to KohaCon you would know for sure
18:21 wahanui oleonard: huh?
18:22 joels68 whanui what's up?
18:22 joels68 Another typo....
18:23 joels68 @wahanui what's up?
18:23 huginn joels68: I suck
18:24 joels68 We all do sometimes.
18:24 joels68 I love these bots.
18:26 rambutan I wonder what state-of-the-art in quasi-sentient bots is?
18:28 rambutan Time for lunch. I'd give anything for a nice big bowl of sinigang na baboy.
18:30 druthb rambutan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loebner_Prize
18:35 joels68 Hello Cait. Wie geht's heute?
18:38 joels68 What IRC clients do you use? I'm using Firefox browser whcich has limited functionality.
18:39 rangi morning
18:39 rangi i use irssi
18:39 oleonard Hi rangi
18:40 rambutan xchat
18:40 cait hi joels68 - saw you on the mailing list :)
18:41 cait @karma joels68
18:41 huginn cait: joels68 has neutral karma.
18:41 rambutan but xchat has been forked, what's the name of the new one?
18:41 cait oh?
18:41 cait hm
18:41 cait @karma joel
18:41 huginn cait: Karma for "joel" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
18:41 rambutan hexchat, that's it
18:46 reiveune1 bye
18:47 joels68 How does Karma work? Will I win cash and prizes?
18:47 oleonard Yes, definitely.
18:49 joels68 Oh goodie! I'm so excited and I just can't hide it.
18:56 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:56 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:30 AM NZDT on November 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
19:00 rangi dbix::class is http://perltv.org/v/introduction-to-dbixclass
19:00 rangi (video worth watching)
19:47 rambutan Would it be fair to say that a library has a one-to-many relationship with patrons?
19:47 rambutan i.e., an entity, a "patron" goes to a library (an encounter) and a procedure happens (checkout book)
19:48 jcamins rambutan: depends on the organization of the consortium. You could also have a many-to-many.
19:48 rambutan the patron can go many times, and on each visit there can be many procedures (checkout books, pick up literature, attend a program)
19:49 rambutan so my idle thought is that a hierarchical db, like mongodb, should be, if nothing else, much quicker than a relational database
19:51 jcamins In the case of patrons, basically the only benefit you're getting is faster access because it's denormalized.
19:51 rambutan right, a relatonal db has to perform normalization
19:52 jcamins Not necessarily.
19:52 jcamins We just do, in this case.
19:52 jcamins Well...
19:52 jcamins that's not true.
19:52 jcamins We don't really normalize patron information.
19:52 rambutan I rather suspect a non-relational db would be much smaller too. Having tables and the overhead take sup some room
19:52 rambutan jcamins: but the db does, surely?
19:52 jcamins Nope.
19:53 jcamins Or, rather... yeah, if we told it to.
19:53 vfernandes How to add a company and a Koha demo to this page?
19:53 vfernandes http://koha-community.org/demo/
19:54 jcamins There is no built-in normalization. The data is basically stored in a row-based fashion with additional indexes basically set up as pointers.
19:54 oleonard vfernandes: You could start by adding it here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Demo_Databases
19:55 oleonard vfernandes: But it's not for promoting your company, it's for providing clean demos for testing
19:55 rambutan well, I was just thinking that a nonsql db would be perfectly appropriate for an ILS
19:55 vfernandes oleonard it's possible to add a entry and put user and password on request?
19:55 oleonard I would say no, but that's just my opinion.
19:56 oleonard That seems like something that belongs on your company's site
19:56 vfernandes hummm ok :)
19:56 rambutan I seem to recall that Unicorn ran on some flat file database too, in addition to Oracle. druthb?
19:57 jcamins Yeah, NoSQL would work fine with an ILS.
19:57 druthb correct, rambutan.
19:58 jcamins But in terms of ILS performance, relational vs non-relational is probably not a big factor.
20:01 vfernandes oleonard: i think that the company will agree to create an account and "open" the demo to everyone... could I add an entry on the wiki?
20:05 oleonard As that page on the wiki says, "Please feel free to list your demo here as long as you provide public access to at least the OPAC and it is running a version of Koha that can be freely obtained by anybody without restriction. "
20:06 vfernandes and how about the first link I added here?
20:16 magnuse what's the preferred method for setting up dev installation these days? package install + gitify, or plain old git clone + dev install?
20:17 jcamins magnuse: I'd recommend gitify to anyone doing it.
20:17 jcamins cait prefers git + dev install.
20:19 magnuse ooh so it boils down to a quetion of who of you two i like the best? ;-)
20:23 joels68 @wunder Worthington MN
20:23 huginn joels68: The current temperature in Worthington, Minnesota is 9.0°C (2:15 PM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa.
20:24 * druthb waves to joels68!
20:26 nengard_lunch hey joels68
20:26 nengard_lunch @wunder 78741
20:26 huginn nengard_lunch: The current temperature in Waller Beach, Austin, Texas is 19.4°C (2:15 PM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
20:31 druthb @wunder 77098
20:31 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 22.2°C (2:31 PM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
20:32 joels68 Hello ruth and nicole!
20:57 chris_n LOL... http://www.cafepress.com/cp/moredetails.aspx?showBleed=false&ProductNo=861574127&colorNo=23&pr=F
20:58 rangi heh
21:09 joels68 Hi again Cait. Please follow me on Twitter. You'll get chocolate, I promise.
21:10 eythian hi
21:10 cait heh
21:10 cait ok
21:11 cait trying to find you joels68
21:11 joels68 @jmsasse
21:11 huginn joels68: I suck
21:11 cait found you :)
21:12 joels68 huginn Maybe you need counselling.
21:12 huginn joels68: downloading the Perl source
21:13 joels68 Thank you Cait.
21:13 cait yw
21:13 * cait remembers she hasn't had dinner yet...
21:13 cait brb
21:14 joels68 Everyone here...follow me on Twitter, chocolate will fall on you. :)
21:14 rangi heh
21:19 eythian http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/drunken-french-teenagers-abduct-a-circus-llama-and-take-him-on-a-tram-ride-8920524.html <-- emad goes for a walk
21:19 eythian or a tram ride I suppose
21:26 joels68 Hi eythian or do I dare call you Mr. Robin?
21:27 eythian that was totally the wrong channel to be pasting that in
21:27 * eythian tries again
21:27 eythian also, call me whatever you like :)
21:44 eythian I found a request that takes 38 seconds to run and calls execute on the database 16,210 times. That's pretty terrible.
21:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #22 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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21:47 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opaccolorstylesheet
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21:48 cait eythian: super ouch?
21:48 cait what is it?
21:48 eythian it's the opac-details results for something with 500 items.
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21:49 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opaccolorstylesheet
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21:49 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opaccolorstylesheet
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21:50 nengard i started an xslt library on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/XSLT_Library
21:50 nengard in case anyone wants to share
21:51 rangi cool
21:51 nengard I see it getting a lot longer than the other libraries :) but what the heck :)
21:52 eythian maybe there is/could be added a wiki thing that allows blocks to be collapsed by default
21:53 eythian so you click to expand the one you want.
21:53 cait we also could put longer blocks on separate pages and link
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22:03 gmcharlt @later tell bgkriegel does it make any particular difference to you whether 3.14.x gets branched tomorrow or on Wednesday?
22:03 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
22:06 nengard eythian i like that idea - cait i'd rather not have to create a page for each long snippet if we can avoid it - some people have a very hard time adding pages
22:07 cait nengard: we can wat until it gets fuller and then figure out something
22:07 nengard yup :)
22:07 cait the sql page takes quite a bit to load now :)
22:07 nengard yes it does
22:08 nengard but i do like having it all in one place to easily do a find on page for specific syntax I've used in the past :)
22:12 joels68 What is the perferred document format for passing docs around for proofreading, coments, etc.
22:13 eythian It depends on the context.
22:13 eythian A wiki page is often good.
22:13 joels68 The reason I ask is that I'm taking text from a variety of sources and combining them into one reference docwith typography additions to make them easier to read.
22:15 joels68 The docs I am working on now are in .docx format, with font changes for code snippets and colors to help keep sections distinct from one another and easier to read.
22:15 jcamins joels68: hardcopy.
22:15 jcamins Track changes on digital files is good too, though.
22:16 eythian I assume by "font changes" you mean "styles used correctly", right :)
22:19 joels68 Code snippets in a different font than explanatory text, just like you see in printed books.
22:29 joels68 Here's an example of just copying info from various files and combining it and formatting it for easy reading: http://www.plumcreeklibrary.org/Debian_packages_Koha.pdf
22:31 rangi now owncloud supports document editing
22:31 rangi http://owncloud.org/six/
22:31 cait ooh doesit?
22:32 rangi we could have one for koha people to use
22:32 cait need to update then :)
22:32 cait oooh nice
22:32 joels68 It's not finished yet, but is intended to be an easy to follow text for installing Koha from packages.
22:32 rangi cool
22:33 joels68 Good, bad, or ugly?
22:33 rangi apart from the code snippets, its good
22:33 cait and better galleries yay
22:35 joels68 It's a first attempt to get some definitive documents available for everyone, rather than searching for bits here and there.
22:36 joels68 Yeach, I suppose the snippets should be in black and jsut a different fonr.
22:36 joels68 Yeah, I mean.
22:48 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #210: UNSTABLE in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/210/
22:53 joels68 I'll take a closer look at ownCloud later tonight. Looks promising.
22:55 cait i use it for my files, the new version looks promising
22:56 joels68 Cait are you running it on a local server?
22:57 cait i have some webspace somewhere
22:57 cait but might get a server sometime...
22:59 joels68 Depending on security issue, I have server space here. I will see if it is difficult to secure.
23:01 joels68 Time to go home. Talk to you later.
23:02 rangi cya joels68
23:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #211 for job master_maria (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #209 3 days 1 hr ago)
23:11 cait good night #koah
23:11 cait #koha
23:19 tcohen hi
23:19 wahanui hey, tcohen
23:19 eythian hi
23:20 eythian https://metacpan.org/pod/Acme::constant <-- I fail to see the point
23:21 pianohacker Hah! ACME :)
23:31 tcohen oleonard around?
23:54 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
23:54 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #211: FIXED in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/211/
23:56 bag @quote random
23:56 huginn bag: Quote #252: "<@jcamins> Really the issues is that Anglo-American libraries have settled on a profoundly stupid format that utterly fails to express anything that patrons care about, while going on at great length about things patrons don't care about." (added by chris at 10:42 PM, May 26, 2013)
23:56 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.