Time Nick Message
01:19 mtj hey jcamins, heres a nice caro i discovered recently…
01:19 mtj http://library.curtin.edu.au/
01:19 mtj http://bookshelf.library.curtin.edu.au/newbooks
01:19 mtj ...it has an MIT license, so can be used with Koha :)
01:20 jcamins mtj: nice!
01:20 jcamins I have issues with any open source projects that require you to register.
01:21 mtj hell yes, me too... O_o
01:23 eythian http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/ <-- mtj :)
01:23 mtj [off] i have a mirror here… -> https://github.com/KohaAloha/virtual-bookshelf
01:23 mtj jcamins ^^
01:25 jcamins mtj++
01:26 mtj i did some experimenting with the 'content-flow' caro, too - for CALYX -> http://demo.calyx.net.au/
01:27 mtj but, the curtin caro looks a little nicer, i think -> http://caro1.kohaaloha.com/
01:28 jcamins Yeah, that's pretty cool.
01:29 mtj (the CF caro has some very subtle bug with occasional images not loading, so… next :/ )
01:32 jcamins You should fix the bug. :)
01:34 mtj hey, i did try - but sadly, it was way beyong my JS fu :/
01:35 jcamins Aww. That's too bad. I don't think a carousel will work for me, sadly.
01:36 mtj hey eythian, the points of your caro link don't really apply for a 'new books' lists, tho?
01:37 eythian probably, I was just putting it out there.
01:41 mtj [off] here's some curtin-caro examples - some are quite impressive -> http://106.187.50.84/pubi/virtual-bookshelf/examples/
01:42 mtj …its the 1st caro i've seen, written specifically to display bibs/books/media, etc
01:44 mtj this one's cool -> http://106.187.50.84/pubi/virtual-bookshelf/examples/bookshelf-substitutes.html
01:46 mtj eythian, but yeah - i dislike most uses of caros on websites too :p
01:49 jcamins I want some way to make it clear there may be multiple images, without taking lots of vertical space until someone clicks to expand the images.
02:05 mtj hmm, yeah thats a little tricky… perhaps an offset dark square (or 2) under the image, to show there's 'multiple' images?
02:07 mtj …or some 'stack' icon, overlaid top-left on the image
02:13 mtj jcamins, take a look here, for a suitable icon -> http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/icons/
02:14 jcamins Yeah, that's probably what I'll do.
02:15 mtj oooh, i think this is all you need -> http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/icon/sort-asc/
02:17 mtj …most people know that icon usually expands 'something'
02:18 eythian it's for sorting
02:18 eythian it should be pointing to the right to indicate something can be opened.
02:18 mtj yeah, better :p
02:19 mtj there you go :)
02:20 mtj i was seeing the images expand vertically in my head, despite jcamins saying otherwise
02:21 mtj http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/icon/caret-right/
02:21 jcamins Yeah, but that's basically just making a simple slider-y thing.
02:27 mtj jcamins, this would work -> http://106.187.50.84/pubi/virtual-bookshelf/examples/train.html
02:28 mtj lots of small/tiny images to save space - and images expand on hover
02:28 jcamins mtj: yeah, maybe.
02:29 mtj so, click on a image with the 'expand' icon, which creates a 'train' caro
02:30 mtj anyhoo… just a idea :)
02:30 jcamins Thanks. That's what I was thinking of.
02:32 mtj bonus points for adding a 'reduce' icon to the train :)
02:40 jcamins I have a 14px white bar along the right side of my page on an iOS simulator, obscuring the very end of each line.
02:49 jcamins Fixed it.
02:49 jcamins Have I mentioned my great hatred for iOS recently?
03:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7688: (follow-up) update license statements <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cec91b4a2c32bb620b8db35728fd3c1079485162> / bug 7688: (follow-up) add authentication checking <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=241a091f59757c170b159df4335e3bbf9eeb6c99> / Bug 7688: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com
03:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #188 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 7 days 20 hr ago)
03:02 eythian jcamins: what are you even doing with iOS?
03:02 jcamins eythian: I wanted to know Biblionarrator worked on iPhones.
03:03 jcamins Answer: no.
03:03 eythian oh well. No one really uses them now anyway.
03:03 jcamins Well... it works.
03:03 jcamins But it feels kind of like websites on my phone.
03:03 jcamins (which is bad, because websites on my phone feel bad)
03:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #1482 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10962 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 (September 2013) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2234ef3ebda67d8397c855e6af9c5cd44b78c08f> / Bug 10243: (follow-up) prevent TransportCostMatrix from overriding library holds... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=06ea76c3c2c9afcc324166c12b0510fdad0d77f1> / Bug 10243: (follow-up) add unit tests <http://git.koha
03:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10733: Follow up - unset variables from koha-sites.conf if USE_MEMCACHED=no <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb1748ee8ba8003742e497e059c187b64bde7fa2> / Bug 10733: Memcached on package installs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6f091cc2348512e5a707cc9e0d8286b8e2ada0c> / Bug 10733: add 'memcached' as suggested dependency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb
03:54 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #188: STILL UNSTABLE in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/188/
03:54 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: Change subscription numbering pattern and frequencies
03:54 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) set firstacquidate in updatedatabase if it's not set
03:54 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) rewrite t/db_dependant/Serials.t
03:54 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) add unit tests for C4::Serials::Frequency
03:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7688 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Change subscriptions numbering pattern and frequencies
03:54 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) add unit tests for C4::Serials::Numberpattern
03:54 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) add unit tests for C4::Serials::GetNextDate()
03:54 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) add unit tests for C4::Serials::GetNextSeq()
03:54 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) rewrite 'for' loop in unit tests
03:54 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: DBRev 3.13.00.033
03:54 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: (follow-up) fix typo
03:54 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: (follow-up) update test cases to reflect change in NewSubscription()
03:54 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: (follow-up) correct SQL to create the subscription table
03:54 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes
03:54 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 7688: (follow-up) add authentication checking
03:54 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: (follow-up) update license statements
03:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #189 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 7 days 21 hr ago)
04:03 * eythian is getting some nice log stats from our Koha servers, which (among other things) tells me what error messages are most common in the logs, so we can start getting rid of the worst offenders.
04:21 mtj eythian++, thats an awesome idea! :p
04:24 eythian it's pretty cool. It also has a graph of requests/errors by time, a map of where requests are coming from, the top 10 404s (caused by custom themes typically), relative usage of the sites on our shared platform, and the last 100 log entries across all server, among other things.
04:24 eythian and it's pretty much realtime.
04:24 dpk1 eythian: final tweak added.
04:24 eythian dpk1: cool
04:31 eythian dpk1: looks good to me. I'll probably get the chance to test it out tomorrow. This'll also be good for migrations, as I do a bulkmarcimport and rebuild-zebra, and half way through realise I have about 5 processes all trying to index at the same time making everything slow.
04:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7131: (follow-up) update the command-line import tools <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=997a502c2293ed466178e86f091d9b7d7ce9f6ff> / Bug 7131: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15fb1c5bb4b25c5b035942b2fba7bf329f884ef9> / Bug 7131: DBRev 3.13.00.034 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5
04:45 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #189: STILL UNSTABLE in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/189/
04:45 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10243: prevent holds queue from making transfer requests that contradict library holds policy
04:45 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10243: (follow-up) add unit tests
04:45 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10243: (follow-up) prevent TransportCostMatrix from overriding library holds policy
04:45 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10962 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 (September 2013)
04:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10243 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Holds queue is making transfer requests that contradict the branch holds policy
04:45 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10733: add 'memcached' as suggested dependency
04:45 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10733: Memcached on package installs
04:45 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10733: Follow up - unset variables from koha-sites.conf if USE_MEMCACHED=no
04:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10962 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 (September 2013)
04:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Memcached on package installs
04:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #190 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 7 days 22 hr ago)
04:49 eythian I have exactly 15,000 messages in my Koha email folder.
04:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1482: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1482/
04:55 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: Change subscription numbering pattern and frequencies
04:55 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) set firstacquidate in updatedatabase if it's not set
04:55 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) rewrite t/db_dependant/Serials.t
04:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7688 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Change subscriptions numbering pattern and frequencies
04:55 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) add unit tests for C4::Serials::Frequency
04:55 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) add unit tests for C4::Serials::Numberpattern
04:55 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) add unit tests for C4::Serials::GetNextDate()
04:55 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) add unit tests for C4::Serials::GetNextSeq()
04:55 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 7688: (follow-up) rewrite 'for' loop in unit tests
04:55 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: DBRev 3.13.00.033
04:55 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: (follow-up) fix typo
04:55 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: (follow-up) update test cases to reflect change in NewSubscription()
04:55 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: (follow-up) correct SQL to create the subscription table
04:55 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes
04:55 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 7688: (follow-up) add authentication checking
04:55 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7688: (follow-up) update license statements
04:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #1483 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1481 12 hr ago)
05:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10725: Add filters on the pending orders table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d7aa7e4356e0d014a31c43d4784c2a8d14d843f> / Bug 10078: (follow-up) add regression test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0b042b8a276ddacf3be13fa1666454b9b1d3903> / Bug 10078: show location facet regardless of singleBranchMode setting <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha
05:36 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #190: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/190/
05:36 jenkins_koha * Elliott Davis: Bug 7131: teach MARC import how to overlay items
05:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7131: (follow-up) perltidy BatchCommitItems
05:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7131: (follow-up) allow overlaying by barcode
05:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7131: (follow-up) initialized some variables properly
05:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7131 new feature, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , way to overlay items in in marc import
05:36 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7131: DBRev 3.13.00.034
05:36 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7131: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes
05:36 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7131: (follow-up) update the command-line import tools
05:37 jenkins_koha Starting build #191 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 7 days 23 hr ago)
06:28 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #191: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/191/
06:28 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10078: show location facet regardless of singleBranchMode setting
06:28 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10078: (follow-up) add regression test
06:28 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10725: Add filters on the pending orders table
06:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , show location facet for all
06:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10725 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add filters on the pending orders table
06:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1483: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1483/
06:44 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10243: prevent holds queue from making transfer requests that contradict library holds policy
06:44 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10243: (follow-up) add unit tests
06:44 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10243: (follow-up) prevent TransportCostMatrix from overriding library holds policy
06:44 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10962 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 (September 2013)
06:44 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10733: add 'memcached' as suggested dependency
06:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10243 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Holds queue is making transfer requests that contradict the branch holds policy
06:44 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10733: Memcached on package installs
06:44 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10733: Follow up - unset variables from koha-sites.conf if USE_MEMCACHED=no
06:44 jenkins_koha * Elliott Davis: Bug 7131: teach MARC import how to overlay items
06:45 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7131: (follow-up) perltidy BatchCommitItems
06:45 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7131: (follow-up) allow overlaying by barcode
06:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10962 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 (September 2013)
06:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Memcached on package installs
06:45 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7131: (follow-up) initialized some variables properly
06:45 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7131: DBRev 3.13.00.034
06:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7131 new feature, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , way to overlay items in in marc import
06:45 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7131: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes
06:45 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7131: (follow-up) update the command-line import tools
06:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #1484 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1481 14 hr ago)
07:14 * magnuse waves
07:15 magnuse bug 7131
07:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7131 new feature, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , way to overlay items in in marc import
07:21 rangi hi magnuse
07:21 magnuse kia ora rangi!
07:21 magnuse wow, looks like i got the memcached config all wrong - i thought it was done in the apache configs...
07:23 magnuse so hooray for bug 10733!
07:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Memcached on package installs
07:26 rangi :)
07:30 magnuse but i set sessions to be stored in memcached - does that mean they are defaulting to the database? hm...
07:31 rangi not sure, easy way to find out tho :)
07:31 reiveune1 hello
07:31 wahanui hello, reiveune1
07:32 magnuse nope, looks like the session tables are empty
07:34 magnuse and they are not in /tmp
08:04 magnuse memcached config fixed, now i can look forward to watching how it plays out...
08:27 magnuse kia ora petter!
08:29 petter hei magnus!
08:29 petter go morn
08:33 magnuse morn morn
08:38 gaetan_B hello
08:38 wahanui privet, gaetan_B
08:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1484: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1484/
08:38 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10078: show location facet regardless of singleBranchMode setting
08:38 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10078: (follow-up) add regression test
08:38 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10725: Add filters on the pending orders table
08:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , show location facet for all
08:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10725 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add filters on the pending orders table
08:50 * magnuse wonders if there would be any interest in a wiki page for small scripts that build on the commands provided by the packages
08:52 kivilahtio magnuse: sounds likea good idea
08:53 kivilahtio a script library
08:53 magnuse yup
08:54 magnuse i'll create one
09:02 kf hello #koha
09:03 magnuse kia ora kf
09:04 kf hi magnuse :)
09:10 magnuse done: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian_packages_script_library
09:41 kivilahtio phew finally
09:41 kivilahtio bug 11129 is complete and its dependencies
09:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11129 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Filtering Items based on type in opac-detail.pl
09:42 kivilahtio anyone interested in signoffs?
09:42 kivilahtio How are sign offs generally achieved here?
09:43 kivilahtio Is there a sign-off day when everyone just runs aroundsigning off stuff?
09:44 petter it was like that at the hackfest
09:44 magnuse we have the odd bug squashing day, but the last few have not created a lot of activity
09:44 petter the easy ones is quickly signed off, but more complicated remains
09:44 magnuse guess we should have one soon, to squash some bugs before 3.14 freezes
09:44 magnuse basically you just have to wait for someone to want to sign off
09:45 petter I'm actually just now looking at importing serials, so as soon as I get it done, I can actually test your patch olli!
09:45 magnuse or you can try to trade signoffs
09:45 magnuse "i'll sign off this for you if you sign off this for me"
09:46 petter i first need some serials in order to test 111129
09:46 petter magnus: har du importert periodika? er det bare å bruke bulkmarcimport?
09:46 kivilahtio petter: I am about to go importing serials
09:47 kivilahtio petter: I can write a scirpt to do that, first I sign off bug 8836
09:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8836 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Resurrect Rotating Collections
09:47 kivilahtio but then I'll look into serials. But be aware that importing serials IS A HUGE TASK and supposedly it can't be done
09:47 magnuse petter: i don't think i have done it
09:48 magnuse but if you just import issues as items it should not be too different from importing other items, i think
09:48 magnuse but i'm not quite sure how it plays along with the periodicals module and subscriptions there...
09:49 petter yea, its quite a mystery in bibliofil as well , and I dont think anyone uses it much
09:49 magnuse hehe
09:49 kivilahtio petter: I started to migrate them to Evergreen, but there were some functional limitations in EG I couldn't figure out
09:49 kivilahtio the serials thing is very complex
09:50 kivilahtio I am looking forward to solving the serials migration in Koha
09:50 petter Olli, do you share your import-scripts somewhere?
09:51 petter as an inspiration:)
09:51 kivilahtio petter: no i dont unfortunatelym since they are a huge mess
09:51 kivilahtio and undocumented
09:51 kivilahtio and extremely complex
09:52 kivilahtio petter: They are for our Finnish ILS PallasPro
09:52 kivilahtio but I can send you the tar if you want
09:52 magnuse i might have to try my hand at importing some serials from BIBSYS soonish, so i'll be interested in sharing experiences
09:52 kivilahtio the Serials part and all the newer pieces are made with Groovy/JAva
09:52 kivilahtio because for larger projects Java is way better
09:53 kivilahtio I should have never started writing my migration scripts with Perl :(
09:53 kivilahtio but little did I know back then
09:53 petter yeah, we couldnt get the perl:marc module to work so we, or Benjamin actually, did the conversion script in ruby
09:54 * magnuse is perfectly happy writing his migration tools in perl
09:54 kivilahtio magnuse: for us merging the serial numbers is hard
09:54 magnuse migration toolbox?
09:54 wahanui migration toolbox is https://gitorious.org/koha-migration-toolbox
09:54 magnuse might be some nice things in there
09:54 kivilahtio magnuse: the serial names change occaionally so it is pretty hard to merge multiple bibliographic records which deal with the same subscription
09:54 petter ah, thanks
09:57 petter OK, i think i need to talk to our cataloguers first, about who, if any, actually uses the serials module
09:57 petter our serials are not for check-out, so hardly anyone look at them
09:58 kivilahtio petter: In koha it is easy to impor the serial history records
09:58 kivilahtio or thats what I heard
09:58 kivilahtio but quite frankly I don't understand what the big deal with migrating Serials is atm, but I think I will soon find out :)
09:58 petter i dont even know what serial history records are
09:58 petter yea, maybe we can just skip it!
09:59 kivilahtio petter: talk with your serials cataloguers
09:59 petter do some spring cleaning!
09:59 kivilahtio petter: We have some VERY passionatel serials people here
09:59 petter olli: yepp, will do
09:59 petter hehe, everyone has their darlings
09:59 petter its hard to let them go
09:59 petter but its a question of leadership
10:00 petter someone has to decide what direction we are going
10:00 petter luckily its not me!
10:00 magnuse petter: i think it is just a question of getting the data and formatting them as items
10:01 petter magnus: so is there no standard import method for serials?
10:01 petter I mean, is there even a serial marc standard?
10:02 magnuse dunno :-/
10:02 magnuse ask druthb_away when she show up - she has done lots of migrations
10:02 magnuse or ask for tips and tricks related to serials on the mailing lists
10:03 petter ok, I'll do some gooling first!
10:03 petter googing
10:03 petter googling?
10:03 magnuse hehe
10:03 petter sorry, can't type
10:04 magnuse here is one example: https://gitorious.org/koha-migration-toolbox/koha-migration-toolbox/source/de548e83f516bbdb27e97055db7be6771da1a615:migration/Millenium/serials_loader.pl it might at least be interesting to see which db tables are involved etc
10:06 kivilahtio magnuse: I was planning to use the C4::Serials module
10:06 magnuse that sounds like a good starting point
10:07 kivilahtio But I have gut feeling faking the serial prediction patterns might be hard
10:07 kivilahtio magnuse: hopefully Koha doesn't really need them
10:08 kivilahtio I mean really need them for other stuff than making the predictions
10:09 kf petter: there are standards in MARC, but Koha and lots of other ILS don't follow them. I think serials is always a bit of a problematic migration - no mater what the ILS are
10:12 magnuse wow, i'm properly confused by the memcached configs now
10:12 petter kf: ok, I'm begining to realize that. It looks quite messy!
10:13 petter anyway, we must first discuss with our libraries what use cases they have
10:13 kf Koha is not so bad even I think, at least it seemed a lot simpler than Horizon in the database structure
10:16 kivilahtio kf: agreed
10:54 kf @later tell oleonard - can you maybe take a look at bug 5031?
10:54 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
12:10 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
12:19 magnuse hiya mtompset
12:19 mtompset Greetings, magnuse.
12:21 marcelr hi #koha
12:23 mtompset Greetings, marcelr oleonard. :)
12:24 marcelr hi mtompset
12:28 kivilahtio kf: Any ideas if I wanted to show the analytic children a analytic record has, should I modify the xslt-templates or do I need to make a extra Zebra search for records containing hte 773w analytic link?
12:29 kivilahtio kf: afaik, 773w is already indexed as a search index in Zebra
12:29 kivilahtio kf: It is just a matter of displaying those index results
12:29 kivilahtio kf: can you give me a hint from where to start looking for a solution?
12:37 kivilahtio IF I am processing XSLT-templates, is the only way to add extra-record fields by altering the XSLTParse4Display to pull extra data from Zebra to the xml-record?
12:37 kf kivilahtio: what do you want to do?
12:38 kf sorry, quite busy here, might have missed it
12:38 kivilahtio kf: look a bit higher, 10 rows
12:38 kf yeah, but i still don't understand :)
12:38 kivilahtio kf: display analytic record children in the host biblio details
12:38 kivilahtio kf: damn my expalantions ;)
12:38 kf what we do is display a link: show analytics
12:38 kf koha will do that for serial records right nw
12:38 kf htat would be easy to customize
12:38 kivilahtio kf: but you don't list the titles of child records in the parent record detailed view?
12:39 kf what we don't have (because our records are from a union catalog) is a link from the host to the analytic item
12:39 kf yes, because the parend does not know it has children
12:39 magnuse kf: not so easy to pull in the actual titles of the child records, into the parent record
12:39 kivilahtio kf: I think adding that might be pretty easy, I am just looking ionto how the XSLT-templates are processed, doesn't look too bad
12:39 kf there are different ways you could do that, like using an ajax search
12:39 jcamins kivilahtio: I think you might be mistaken.
12:39 magnuse yeah, ajax might be an option
12:39 kf well using ajax and replacing the link with a list or similar, but we haven't done that yet
12:40 kivilahtio what if I add the analytic children's titles to the parent record for the xslt processing duration?
12:40 jcamins Use AJAX.
12:40 kivilahtio in XSLTParse4Display()
12:40 kivilahtio my $itemsxml = buildKohaItemsNamespace($biblionumber, $hidden_items);
12:40 kivilahtio my $xmlrecord = $record->as_xml(C4::Context->preference('marcflavour'));
12:40 kf kivilahtio: not sure how much of a performance killer that might b
12:40 kf e
12:40 kivilahtio the xslt template gets extra variables from these two places
12:41 kivilahtio kf: make a zebra query for the 773w index, if it has the same 001-value as the record in question
12:41 kivilahtio kf: should be zero performance hit for a single index search
12:41 kivilahtio kf: then the child record details can be fleshed out if they are found, this is way faster than ajax
12:42 kivilahtio Imagine a record with 100 child records. Ajax all of them?
12:42 jcamins kivilahtio: no, AJAX the resultset.
12:42 kivilahtio well it is a problem regardless
12:42 kivilahtio jcamins: So only show part of the child records?
12:43 kivilahtio if more than n
12:43 jcamins Wait, you want to embed the entire child record? I thought you wanted a list of titles.
12:43 kivilahtio Why can't i just patch the XSLTParse4Display() ?
12:43 kivilahtio to include a check for bibliographic children?
12:44 kivilahtio could I index an aggregate value to a zebra index? like the record id from 001, and the record title ?
12:44 jcamins I suppose you could, if you really want to.
12:45 jcamins Not easily. You might want to read through the Zebra documentation.
12:45 kivilahtio jcamins: yeah that might be a pain
12:45 * jcamins goes to be productive.
12:45 kivilahtio jcamins: thanks !
12:48 kf kivilahtio: as it's ajax it should not matter if it takes a moment longe than the page load
12:48 kf the page load would not be affected
12:49 kf not sure about your idea, you woul dhave to make another zebra search i guess, before you can embed data
12:51 kivilahtio kf: but you have to make zebra searches afterward for ajax
12:51 kivilahtio kf: imho ajax is always pretty complex
12:51 kivilahtio kf: But I'll see what I cook up
12:51 kivilahtio kf: Do you have any code I could study for the ajax request?
12:53 kf there is some in koha, but nothing for search yet i think
12:53 kivilahtio kf: ok
12:53 kf i haven't done any ajaxy things myself yet
12:53 kivilahtio kf: I'll try to figure this out. Ajax is a extra layer of complexity, and it adds more load for apache2 than non-ajax
12:54 kivilahtio kf: I am just really surprised that even if you have all the functionality to add more child records, there is no way to effectively display them from the parent?
12:54 kivilahtio I think it should be part of the core Koha distribution out of box
12:54 magnuse patches welcome ;- )
12:55 kivilahtio magnuse: working on that. If just someone would sign them off :D
12:56 ashimema You build the patch.. I'll happily test it ;)
12:57 kivilahtio ashimema: I'll hold on to that :)
12:58 kf kivilahtio: it helps when you sign off on other people's patches too ;)
12:58 kivilahtio kf: I know
12:58 kivilahtio kf: too bad I don't know if we are going to proceed with Koha yet or not so I am kinda struggling to get as much done as possible
12:59 kivilahtio kf: thanks for the help anyway
12:59 kf i saw your comments on rotating collections
12:59 kivilahtio kf: that's not much
12:59 kf but was not sure if it was a sign off or a fail from one of the notes
13:00 kivilahtio kf: it was just my test result :) what should I have done?
13:00 kivilahtio kf: I thought you sign off pathes by doing git bz -singoff
13:00 kivilahtio kf: I didn't sign off because the patch had issues
13:00 kf then you shoudl fail it
13:00 kivilahtio kf: Ok, ill do that now
13:01 kf because else they won't get fixed :)
13:01 kf it hoguth one note read like a problem, but ihaven't taken a look at the whole feature yet
13:01 kivilahtio kf: so failed QA?
13:01 kivilahtio kf: or patch doesnt apply?
13:01 kivilahtio kf: it hasnt passed the sign off phase so I don't think I can alter the QA state
13:02 kf you can always fail qa
13:02 kf everyone can - it means that the patch needs more work
13:02 magnuse anyone can fail QA
13:02 magnuse what she says :-)
13:02 kf but of course only do so after noting why :)
13:02 kf else the developer might get grumpy :)
13:02 magnuse "patch doesnt apply" is only for when git refuses to apply the patch
13:03 kf yep
13:03 magnuse ...so you can't even test it
13:03 kf and it needs a rebase because of conflicts
13:04 kivilahtio kf: magnuse: roger that
13:05 ashimema wow.. kf and magnuse are on a role here.. ;)
13:06 magnuse that's just how we roll :-)
13:08 kivilahtio I just rolled the Koha zebra indexes O_o
13:08 kivilahtio it's fun
13:08 kivilahtio are you having fun?
13:09 kivilahtio song of my day : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1-_XPWixSw
13:09 kf ashimema: great team, eh? :)
13:10 ashimema indeed.. :)
13:10 ashimema ack.. this bug really doesn't want me to test it today.
13:10 ashimema bug 8993
13:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , LDAP authentication improvements: multiple branch and transformation modules
13:14 kf it doesn't?
13:14 kf cnflicts?
13:16 ashimema yup.. lots of conflicts.. poor Julian has rebased it for me once today already..
13:17 tcohen hi #koha
13:18 kivilahtio hi tcohen
13:22 magnuse hla tcohen
13:22 magnuse s/hla/hola/
13:22 druthb tcohen! magnuse! kf!
13:22 kf druthb1
13:22 kf druthb!
13:22 kf @seen drofj
13:22 huginn kf: I have not seen drofj.
13:22 kf @seen drojf
13:22 huginn kf: drojf was last seen in #koha 6 days, 1 hour, 9 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <drojf> hm. looks like i seriously broke something
13:22 kf hmm.
13:23 kf i hope he didn't
13:23 druthb seems to be a drojf shortage hereabouts.
13:25 kf yep
13:30 druthb moar Germans!
13:38 magnuse druthb!
13:38 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
13:41 kf you don't know what you are asking for :)
13:41 kf trouble!!
13:41 wahanui i heard trouble was it seems to always give a false positive on a few fields
13:41 druthb lol
13:51 kf bye all
13:51 * oleonard doesn't recall kf getting permission to leave early
14:16 gmcharlt heh
14:18 jcamins oleonard: doesn't mail.google.com go to the Gmail login screen if you're not logged in?
14:19 oleonard No, it goes the the "sign up" page with a giant slideshow of reason to join the google hive
14:20 oleonard Then you have to click a little "sign in" link in the corner.
14:20 jcamins Oh. I didn't try it.
14:23 oleonard I notice "sign out" from GMail doesn't really sign you out anymore either
14:25 jcamins It doesn't? I never use that button.
14:26 mtompset What do you mean it doesn't sign you out?
14:27 oleonard If you click "sign out" from GMail you're redirected to a sign in form where it remembers your login but asks only for a password
14:28 * oleonard notices these things because he doesn't like being tracked by Google
14:29 mtompset oleonard: That doesn't mean they haven't signed you out. I just means they are tracking your userid. :P
14:34 rambuten @wunder 64507
14:34 huginn rambuten: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 15.3°C (9:34 AM CDT on October 30, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
14:34 druthb need a cookie-shredder to actually really log out.
14:35 magnuse you can never log out - we are all trapped in the matrix...
14:36 * druthb takes the blue pill
14:38 tcohen does this make sense at all Koha::Util::SystemCheck ? it will contain stuff for checking system consistency
14:38 druthb +1
14:40 ashimema tcohen.. sounds like a good idea to me.
14:41 tcohen thx
14:41 * tcohen always struggles when starting from scratch
14:46 gmcharlt +1
14:55 mtompset What kind of inconsistencies would it catch, tcohen?
14:56 tcohen i'm working on sysprefs
14:56 tcohen missing, obsolete, wrong values
14:56 mtompset +infinity. ;)
14:57 tcohen of course it will be calculated
14:57 tcohen from sysprefs.sql and the yaml files, comparing to the DB
15:13 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Testing 10003 question" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/252
15:14 mtompset tcohen: What should I expect when I try to bash complete koha-enable and all the instances are enabled?
15:14 tcohen nothing
15:14 mtompset I'm getting "library", which is my one instance.
15:15 mtompset What do you suggest I check to see where that is coming from?
15:15 tcohen what does `koha-list --enabled` say?
15:15 mtompset permission denied, followed by library.
15:15 tcohen and also `koha-list --disabled`
15:16 tcohen ok, can u use sudo in front of is?
15:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9822: Alert on adding an order to a basket if budget s exceeded <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea3b5aad217fa38d6f35738e9d049597bf1faa8a>
15:16 mtompset permission denied followed by nothing.
15:16 mtompset sudo makes the permission denied error go away, same results.
15:16 tcohen so library is enabled
15:16 mtompset Yes.
15:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #192 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 8 days 8 hr ago)
15:17 tcohen and sudo koha-enable <tab> incorrectly shows 'library'
15:17 mtompset Yes.
15:17 tcohen thansk
15:18 mtompset But I like the tab completion testing I did for koha-list. :)
15:18 mtompset The removal of opposite flags, nice.
15:18 mtompset The removal of --help when -h is already on command line, nice.
15:18 tcohen it would be handy that you could sumarize what works and what doesn't so I finish polishing it
15:19 tcohen otherwise every iteration takes months
15:20 mtompset Mmm.... disabled library, and got the same problem with koha-disable.
15:20 mtompset i.e. koha-disable lists library.
15:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #1485 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1481 22 hr ago)
15:21 tcohen let me swap them and re-send
15:22 mtompset I don't think that is the problem.
15:23 mtompset Regardless of enabled or not, it always lists library.
15:23 marcelr does anyone see a chance to test bug 9788; run two unit tests and follow a nine-step test plan ?
15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9788 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improvements for calling GetReservesFromItemnumber
15:24 mtompset I was looking at the list of commands you have for bash completion... We have a koha-enable-sip, but we don't have a koha-disable-sip?!
15:25 marcelr kill -15 ;)
15:26 tcohen i'd remove all the koha-{disable|enable}-* commands at all
15:26 tcohen and have koha-* --{disable|enable}
15:26 mtompset Yes, that would make more sense.
15:28 mtompset marcelr: I fear the nine step plan probably has various sub-steps which I, knowing nothing of library things, probably wouldn't be able to figure out.
15:28 marcelr mtompset: not that much
15:29 marcelr but you should know something of holds
15:30 mtompset And therein is my problem.
15:30 marcelr this is a learning opportunity :)
15:30 marcelr place a hold=run opac-reserve.pl
15:34 tcohen mtompset: i noticed my patch was wip, wasn't the right version
15:35 mtompset Ah. Okay.
15:35 mtompset Let me know when you have it fixed.
15:39 tcohen it doesn't contain the substract method for already used instances
15:40 tcohen test this one
15:40 tcohen bbl,
15:43 mtompset marcelr: I've been reading the code, since I read code better than run things I'm unfamiliar with... I have a question about your test.
15:43 marcelr yes?
15:43 marcelr mtompset: what is your question?
15:44 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Don't these change the system preference permanently?" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/253
15:44 mtompset Oops... I missed the lines not in the patch. ;)
15:45 mtompset Whew. sometimes it is good to make a mistake. :)
15:45 marcelr mtompset: there is a rollback in the test
15:46 marcelr so nothing is changed
15:46 mtompset That's the part I missed. :)
15:46 marcelr but it still is a good question
15:47 mtompset Hmmm... I just tried a prove -v t/db_dependent/Reserves.t test, and test 7 failed.
15:47 marcelr test 7
15:47 mtompset not ok 7 - restrictive library's items only fill requests by own patrons (bug 10272)
15:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10272 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , CheckReserves returns not respecting ReservesControlBranch
15:47 marcelr let me look; it is not my test?
15:47 mtompset I don't think it is related to your test.
15:49 marcelr looks like this test is depending on some other prefs too, i guess
15:49 marcelr it works for me
15:50 marcelr prefs or circ rules..
15:51 mtompset considering I have no circulation rules, and this is basically a default install.
15:51 mtompset I guess that is to be expected.
15:51 marcelr yeah
15:53 mtompset Well, the test portion ran. :)
15:54 mtompset Oh sucky.
15:54 mtompset The holds.t is boming big time.
15:55 gaetan_B bye !
15:55 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Ideas, marcelr?" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/254
15:55 mtompset ideas about what is wrong, marcelr?
15:56 marcelr branch does not exist?
15:56 marcelr some unit tests assume some branch codes
15:56 marcelr stumbled over that more times already
15:56 mtompset Goodness! That's probably it.
15:56 marcelr cpl mpl etx
15:56 marcelr etc
15:57 marcelr yeah it is adding items to cpl
15:57 marcelr the reserves.t checks for it, holds.t does not
15:57 mtompset MPL.
15:57 marcelr if you just add a cpl to your db, you will have less problems
15:57 mtompset I'll temporarily add that.
15:57 marcelr and mpl
15:58 Joubu mtompset: I made a script for creating a new db with sample data. Sample data are required (at least at the moment) for launching ut
15:58 Joubu mtompset: bug 10337
15:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , UT: The unit tests cannot be launched by everyone
15:58 marcelr good report
15:58 marcelr what is the discussion? joubu
15:59 Joubu marcelr: no discussion...
16:00 marcelr you could change the status, you mean?
16:00 mtompset Yes, what does the status "In Discussion" mean then?
16:01 marcelr mtompset: thanks for looking into bug 9788; have to go now
16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9788 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improvements for calling GetReservesFromItemnumber
16:02 Joubu marcelr: discussionhad to be launched in a topic sent to koha-devel (date:Â June 4 2013 16:53 objet:Â Where are we on unit tests?). But no answer...
16:02 mtompset There... CPL, and Holds.t runs just fine.
16:05 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #192: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/192/
16:05 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 9822: Alert on adding an order to a basket if budget s exceeded
16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9822 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , No alert appears on adding an order to a basket if the budget has exceeded
16:09 kivilahtio how are the XSLT templates localized?
16:10 kivilahtio <xsl:with-param name="label">Publisher: </xsl:with-param>
16:10 rambutan @wunder 64507
16:10 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 16.5°C (11:10 AM CDT on October 30, 2013). Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Steady). Severe Thunderstorm Watch 549 in effect until 5 PM CDT this afternoon...
16:10 kivilahtio this Publisher is displayed in the OPAC
16:10 kivilahtio can I just trust the translationtool to catch these barewords?
16:10 kivilahtio even from the XSLT templates
16:12 jcamins You can, unless you are doing something "clever."
16:13 jcamins translate?
16:13 jcamins pootle?
16:13 wahanui somebody said pootle was http://translate.koha-community.org/
16:13 kivilahtio jcamins: I hope not :)
16:13 jcamins ^^ that may help you to see what's translated in the XSLT.
16:13 kivilahtio I'm nottouching that :)
16:14 jcamins You're going to have to. If you want something translated, it has to be done through Pootle.
16:15 kivilahtio I am just happy to know that it can be translated and there are no code inside the translatable strings
16:15 kivilahtio I hope I don't haveto dig into translating
16:15 jcamins Ah.
16:16 kivilahtio jcamins: Pasi is responsible for the translations is is currently pretty pissed off :)
16:16 kivilahtio jcamins: I can't deal with everything on my own
16:16 jcamins Actually, Finnish is a lot farther along than I'd realized.
16:17 kivilahtio jcamins: so I am just happy to know that things can be translated. Pasi did the OPAC I believe
16:17 jcamins Yeah, I noticed that.
16:17 kivilahtio jcamins: I mean he finished it
16:18 kivilahtio Should I call records linked via 773w -> 001 as analyitc records, if there are no items attached?
16:18 kivilahtio or are they component parts
16:19 kivilahtio or component records?
16:19 kivilahtio or child records?
16:19 kivilahtio our english to finnish bibliographic dictionary says they are Component Parts
16:19 kivilahtio but haven't heard it used anywhere else
16:19 kivilahtio And I have a feeling there is a lot of ambuguity about those terms
16:20 jcamins They're all librarian-only terms. No patron is going to be able to underestand them.
16:21 kivilahtio but when i name HTML elements
16:21 kivilahtio or when naming variables, I need to know the proper terms
16:21 kivilahtio so i dont go mixing up book with item and item with title
16:21 kivilahtio and whatnot naming monsters can be found
16:22 jcamins I don't know. Maybe "child record," since we use that in other places.
16:22 kivilahtio ok
16:22 kivilahtio it's not analytics for sure
16:23 kivilahtio but child record is a good one
16:23 kivilahtio thanks jcamins!
16:45 kivilahtio C4::Search::SimpleSearch takes a CCL query, but I don't know how to correctly call the sort argument: I am trying this and some other permutations:
16:45 kivilahtio my ($error, $childRecordISOs, $resultSetSize) = C4::Search::SimpleSearch("rcn=$biblionumber title-sort-az");
16:45 kivilahtio But I get no results
16:45 kivilahtio CCL manual @ http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#CCL is pretty tight on how these sort options are called
16:48 kivilahtio ccl.properties defines the title-sort-az as a valid parameter but no idea how to call it
17:08 rambutan whoami
17:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1485: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1485/
17:08 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 9822: Alert on adding an order to a basket if budget s exceeded
17:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9822 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , No alert appears on adding an order to a basket if the budget has exceeded
17:12 mtompset rambutan: whoami? You have some identity crisis? :)
17:17 kivilahtio whoami
17:17 kivilahtio macros?
17:19 reiveune1 bye
17:21 jcamins whoami?
17:21 wahanui Jean Valjean!
17:22 kivilahtio lol I got the child records to show!
17:23 kivilahtio awsum!
17:23 kivilahtio nice to meet you Jean!
17:24 mtompset http://youtu.be/HPIos2mXbUE (Who am I? Les Mis)
17:45 tcohen did it work mtompset ?
17:46 mtompset Haven't had a chance to play further, sorry.
17:46 mtompset I switched to 9788.
17:46 mtompset I'm just about to finish signing off the second unsigned piece.
17:47 tcohen np
17:58 rambutan mtompset: we had quite a thunderstorm for a short period of time--it just gooshed rain, and we had a power outage, so I was running around checking equipment
17:59 mtompset saan?
17:59 rambutan somehow, though my computer didn't lose power, my nick spontaneously changed
18:08 mtompset oh shoot. I should have run the qa-test-tool on the patch before signing off. DOH!
18:09 magnuse mtompset: it's never too late to fail qa ;-)
18:09 rambutan so QA (should?) comes before signoff?
18:09 mtompset does it make sense to jump from needs signoff to failed qa?!
18:10 rangi yes
18:10 rangi why waste the qa teams time
18:10 magnuse yep, any problems with a patch results in failed qa
18:10 rambutan trying to recall Paul's (and Brendan's) presentation
18:10 magnuse workflow?
18:10 wahanui workflow is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
18:11 magnuse it should all be there ^
18:11 tcohen mtompset: i would first test the patch functionality, then comment about that AND maybe about the qa tools report
18:11 tcohen for people writing large pieces of code it is not helpful to start polishing that
18:11 mtompset Well, the my hiding the scope inside of the little test is inconsequentially, really.
18:11 rangi if the qa tools report throws errors definitely mark it failed qa, unless you are going to fix them yourself
18:12 rangi don't sign off on something you know is going to fail qa
18:12 rangi that just wastes everyones time
18:12 rangi if you dont know, thats fine
18:12 mtompset True... but this was an after thought, while testing a secondary patch in a 4 patch series.
18:12 rangi and qa people do (and most defintely should) check functionality too
18:12 rambutan but only a QA person can fail a patch, right
18:12 rangi no
18:13 rangi anyone in the world can fail a patch
18:13 mtompset woo hoo! fail them all! ;)
18:13 tcohen if you take the time to test, please test the funtionality if you can
18:13 tcohen and contact the developer directly for minor tweaks he/she might do
18:13 rangi and fail it
18:14 rangi or leave it needs signoff
18:14 tcohen yes, of course, don't sign on it
18:14 rangi but seriously, people have limited time, about the worst thing you can do is find a problem, not fail it, and not comment
18:15 rangi cos then someone else will just do the same thing
18:16 jcamins I can confirm that, from my experience as RM.
18:16 rangi personally i would much prefer an early fail, than a patch that sits for ages :)
18:16 rangi that at least gives me a cahnce to fix it
18:17 rangi (the qa tools are really not very stringent at all, most fails are just an accident and easy to fix)
18:17 mtompset I obsoleted my signed off version, with the comment as to why I did so, and then unobsoleted the unsigned version.
18:18 rangi cool
18:19 * rangi has to make breakfast for kids now, bbiab
18:21 tcohen is it easy to test SIP related patcheS?
18:22 tcohen i managed to run the tests but they all seem to fail
18:23 mtompset so, tcohen, if I build a .deb from master+bug 10003, then try testing, it should work now?
18:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide tab-completion in bash
18:24 tcohen you already tested the file is included/installed, just grab the new file and use . file
18:24 tcohen to inject it to your env
18:28 magnuse mtompset++
18:29 mtompset grab new file?
18:33 tcohen git checkout origin/master -b qa_10003 ; git bz apply 10003 ; . debian/koha-common.bash-completion ; test
18:37 mtompset that's not working?
18:37 mtompset I don't have packages installed on my git machine.
18:38 talljoy egad moving 440 to 490/830 on aarome. and it is taking forever. must be on italian time
18:38 talljoy or rt time.
18:38 talljoy :-D
18:39 talljoy that rt joke went flat - helps if i type it in the right window.
18:39 talljoy lol
18:39 kivilahtio how do I make CCL queries in Koha?
18:40 kivilahtio where do I type this rcn,st-numeric>1000 ?
18:40 magnuse kia ora trea!
18:40 kivilahtio Search the catalog?
18:40 kivilahtio hmm
18:41 trea kia ora magnuse
18:41 trea how's Norway today?
18:41 magnuse windy!
18:41 magnuse and wet. and cold.
18:41 magnuse @wunder boo
18:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (7:20 PM CET on October 30, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady).
18:42 magnuse but apart from that its not too bad :-)
18:42 druthb brr
18:42 trea indeed. we're seeing a patch of that as well today
18:42 trea which is putting a cramp in my trick or treating plans later
18:42 magnuse trea: aren't you supposed to be approaching summer?
18:42 trea yeah, suppose to :P
18:42 druthb @wunder 77098
18:42 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 25.6°C (1:42 PM CDT on October 30, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
18:42 magnuse :-)
18:43 magnuse or did you use up the summer weather for the next x years last summer?
18:43 talljoy you still have rain in houston druthb?
18:43 trea ha! probably so magnuse
18:43 druthb off and on, talljoy. We're supposed to get *really* soaked tomorrow.
18:44 druthb "Localized street and bayou flooding."
18:44 talljoy we are drizzly here. but so far no bayou flooding called for in the Fort.
18:44 talljoy eek
18:44 druthb we're expecting up to 2" in the next 24 hours.
18:45 talljoy golly
18:45 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5
18:45 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto Pearson Int'L. Ont., Ontario is 10.0°C (2:00 PM EDT on October 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
18:45 talljoy @wunder 76109
18:45 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in Cedar Creek Townhomes, Benbrook, Texas is 21.5°C (1:42 PM CDT on October 30, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
18:45 mtompset It was -4 the other night.
18:45 druthb Just enough to make the city emergency management people a little edgy.
18:45 talljoy i imagine so.
18:45 talljoy all the rain seems to be east and south of me and down your way
19:28 mtompset AH HA! I had to sudo apt-get install bash-completion in the build environment.
19:46 mtompset tcohen: I just go to the point where I can test again...
19:50 mtompset tcohen: Didn't you handle the library listing problem?
19:54 mrenvoize Sounds like your testing bug 10003.. Funnily enough I was also about to start playing with that.
19:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide tab-completion in bash
19:54 mrenvoize How's it going
19:55 mtompset Haven't gotten very far.
19:55 pianohacker heya mrenvoize
19:55 * chris_n thanks jcamins for pointing him toward yerba mate
19:56 jcamins chris_n: amazing, isn't it?
19:56 chris_n quite
19:56 mrenvoize Evening pianohacker
19:57 pianohacker chris_n: Hey there. Been a while
19:58 chris_n heya pianohacker
19:58 wahanui well, pianohacker is a Dune fan, it seems.
19:59 * chris_n is out of the office more than in lately
21:08 wizzyrea can you clone from our git repo via http? or only git://
21:08 jcamins Both are supposed to work.
21:08 wizzyrea (and is the url the same on either protocol?)
21:08 jcamins Unless you mean to be asking that on a different channel, in which case I have no idea.
21:08 wizzyrea i'd been having trouble with http
21:08 * wizzyrea tries it from a different machine
21:09 jcamins I think you just replace git:// with http://, but I'm not sure.
21:09 wizzyrea hm, it just hangs.
21:09 wizzyrea naw, I meant this channel :)
21:09 wizzyrea our = koha-community's
21:10 jcamins Hm. Then I'm not sure.
21:10 * wizzyrea has a server that doesn't allow traffic on git:// but definitely does on http
21:10 wizzyrea and that's the one I need to clone to, naturally.
21:10 jcamins At the very least, it used to work.
21:10 wizzyrea righty-o. ping gmcharlt
21:11 jcamins Because I had a server that was firewalled against git, but would allow me to clone with http.
21:11 wizzyrea cool, that means it must have changed at some point
21:11 pianohacker wizzyrea: I can happily update my github real quick if need be
21:11 wizzyrea or I'm doing something wrong (probably more likely)
21:11 jcamins Or, more likely, I don't remember the secret handshake.
21:11 wizzyrea hm I could try the github clone, that's a good point
21:12 wizzyrea it definitely speaks http
21:12 wizzyrea pianohacker: thank you for the offer, I think mtj has a github that's up to date already
21:13 pianohacker kk cool :)
21:13 pianohacker needed to update that anyway
21:17 wizzyrea pianohacker++ good idea cloning from github
21:38 wizzyrea lol, pianohacker - which is your github?
21:38 wizzyrea the official one from github isn't totally up to date.
21:39 pianohacker wizzyrea: one sec
21:39 wizzyrea I'm a bottomless pit of needs today ;)
21:41 pianohacker 720 kbps woohah
21:41 pianohacker fast lane woop woop
21:43 wizzyrea :)
21:43 pianohacker wizzyrea: http://github.com/pianohacker/koha.git should be up and running
21:43 wizzyrea pianohacker++
21:43 wizzyrea thanks <#
21:43 wizzyrea <3
21:44 pianohacker no prob, thanks for poking me to update it :)
21:48 talljoy hey #koha i'm trying to narrow down the search 'facet' for library branch in the OPAC. Does that limit the results based on homebranch or holdingbranch?
21:49 * wizzyrea guesses homebranch
21:49 wizzyrea because that makes more sense than holdingbranch
21:49 wizzyrea jcamins might know better.
21:49 talljoy i've had one guess at holding and now one at home. split decision
21:49 talljoy we need a tie breaker ;-)
21:49 wizzyrea the code knows :P
21:49 talljoy indeed. any clue what bit that would be in search.pm?
21:50 talljoy my initial tests point to homebranch like you say. but i'd like to verify
21:51 wizzyrea I think it's in C4::Koha - getfacets
21:52 wizzyrea 952b
21:52 jcamins That's correct.
21:52 talljoy just saw that pesky tag in there.
21:53 talljoy awesome. thanks y'all
21:53 talljoy so that is holdingbranch then
21:53 talljoy interesting
21:53 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:53 talljoy heh
21:53 wizzyrea hm that doesn't make a lot of sense, but is good to know
21:54 talljoy well it does and it doesn't.
21:54 wizzyrea I suppose there's tension between knowing where it is and where it belongs
21:54 talljoy for a library with floating collections where it is is more important than 'who technically owns it'
21:54 wizzyrea we just said the same thing :)
21:54 talljoy indeed.
21:55 talljoy but you said it with a NZ accent
21:55 talljoy and i didn't get it.
21:55 talljoy heh
21:55 wizzyrea yea, is this for intranet or opac?
21:55 talljoy opac
21:55 * wizzyrea doesn't have much of a kiwi accent
21:55 wizzyrea except for maybe the way I say "wellington"
21:55 talljoy then if you ever come back stateside, you must be sure to order beef wellington at every meal
21:56 wizzyrea :)
21:56 magnuse wizzyrea: you don't call the place you sleep "biiiiid" yet?!?
21:56 wizzyrea nor do I have parties on my "dick"
21:56 magnuse lol
21:56 talljoy LOL
21:56 magnuse sweet as...
21:56 wizzyrea you might get the occasional "yiis" for "yes"
21:57 wizzyrea and I might ask you how you're going, and answer you with "yeah... naw"
21:57 talljoy that one confuses me.
21:57 wizzyrea and append any verb with "as"
21:58 jcamins Ooh. I just found an easter egg in the site used by our farm.
21:58 wizzyrea "how you going?" "busy as!"
21:58 jcamins Hit escape twice, and it brings you to the config page.
21:58 wizzyrea oooo!
21:58 jcamins Thankfully it requires a login.
21:58 * wizzyrea imagines you haxxoring them :)
21:59 talljoy and getting extra chard in your order
21:59 wizzyrea yeah naw is a great kiwism
21:59 jcamins talljoy: bok choi for me, please!
21:59 jcamins :D
21:59 talljoy mmmmm bok choi
21:59 talljoy but i do love chard
21:59 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srE57FURiZU
21:59 talljoy i have it growing on my back patio right now.
22:01 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZXlrkaYXkA
22:01 talljoy i may steal that 'no more beersies for you'
22:05 wizzyrea wullington.
22:07 pianohacker I remember talking to a couple of floridians that were very confused as to why I said "Coluhrado" instead of "Colorado"
22:07 pianohacker took a good minute or two to figure out what they even meant
22:07 wizzyrea i got teased for an entire week about the way I prounce "internet"
22:07 wizzyrea pronounce
22:07 talljoy clearly?
22:07 wizzyrea in ter net
22:07 wizzyrea instead of innuhneht
22:08 talljoy oh my
22:08 cait hi
22:08 wizzyrea good natured teasing, of course. :)
22:08 talljoy hi cait!
22:08 wahanui hi cait! are you safely back in germany now?
22:08 cait hi talljoy :)
22:08 wizzyrea !
22:08 cait wahanui - yes?
22:08 wahanui cait: wish i knew
22:08 cait heh
22:08 cait hi wizzyrea
22:08 wizzyrea forget hi cait!
22:09 magnuse hi cait!
22:09 wahanui hi cait! are you safely back in germany now?
22:09 pianohacker ahahahahaha
22:09 wizzyrea "how are you?" "i'm a box of birds!" did get me the first time
22:09 wizzyrea or "I'm a box of fluffy ducks!"
22:09 wizzyrea this appeals to my literary spirit of course.
22:09 cait hi magnuse and pianohacker :)
22:09 cait did i miss a #koha party?
22:10 magnuse always!
22:10 wizzyrea yeah, naw.
22:10 pianohacker yeah, we're all leaving now
22:11 magnuse nah, there's always a party on #koha!
22:12 magnuse talking of which: my apologies for torturing y'all with "the fox". here's some norwegian music actually worth listening to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kv5RM0kABY and a video worth watching to boot!
22:14 wizzyrea ring ding ding ding dingeringading
22:14 * wizzyrea bets small-magnuse loves it
22:14 magnuse that is so last month! ;-)
22:14 magnuse we have tried to shield him from it, a bit
22:14 wizzyrea lol.
22:15 wizzyrea totally better to get 'c is for cookie' stuck in your head.
22:15 magnuse ?
22:15 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BovQyphS8kA
22:16 cait magnuse: blocked from here :( guess i am stuck with what does the fox say?
22:16 magnuse found it ;-)
22:16 cait what does the fox say?
22:16 wahanui https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE
22:16 magnuse cait: blocked? too bad!
22:17 cait c is for cookie...
22:17 cait that work
22:17 wahanui it has been said that that work is pretty complete now, i hope eythian and srdjan will get around to submitting a patch
22:17 cait s
22:17 cait of course
22:18 talljoy i am going to have nightmares now
22:19 magnuse about foxes?
22:19 talljoy yes
22:19 cait heh
22:19 cait but when he meets a friendly horse...
22:19 talljoy and speaking m-o-o-o-o-rse
22:19 talljoy oy
22:19 cait hehe
22:19 magnuse lol
22:20 wizzyrea I think the best bit is where the fox starts scat singing.
22:20 talljoy are foxes sacred in norway magnuse?
22:20 magnuse talljoy: yeah, we think of them as angels in disguise ;-)
22:20 talljoy heh
22:21 talljoy clearly
22:21 magnuse and guardian angels
22:21 cait lol
22:22 cait your fur is red... so beautifuuul
22:22 cait oy
22:22 cait i got 247 mails in my qa inbox from today??ß
22:22 wizzyrea bug bot
22:22 magnuse cait: we all got super busy just to keep you happy :-)
22:23 * wizzyrea giggles
22:23 * magnuse will soon get to spend much more time on koha - w00t!
22:24 cait woohoo :)
22:27 magnuse here's a quote y'all can love to hate: "[syslog-ng] has grown over the years from open source software to a full-fledged, commercial-grade software with varying levels of enterprise-level support options available." from http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9781597496353.do
22:28 talljoy hrm...
22:29 magnuse and with that i bid y'all a good night or other time of the day ;-)
22:29 talljoy good night!
22:29 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, talljoy.
22:29 talljoy wahanui, i'm not leaving
22:29 wahanui talljoy: what?
22:29 talljoy sshhhhh
22:34 cait hreh
22:40 * jcamins is making cauliflower-stone soup.
22:41 cait stone?
22:42 cjh the boiling will soften them up.
22:42 cait aaaah
22:42 cait and i always tried to eat them raw...
22:42 jcamins cait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Soup
22:44 jcamins This still needs something else.
22:45 cait jcamins: that does explain history
22:46 cait but not really what you are doing :)
22:46 cait if you are not asking villagers for ingredients...
22:47 cait :)
22:49 * talljoy throws a clove of garlic jcamins way
22:50 * cait throws some swiss cheese
22:51 jcamins cait: I am starting with something, tasting it, and declaring it needs something else, until it's a completely different soup.
22:53 jcamins I think this broth was mislabeled.
22:53 jcamins It should've been beef broth.
22:53 jcamins I think it's actually pickling broth.
22:55 cait pickling... like fish?
22:55 cait ah no something else
22:57 gmcharlt wizzyrea: pong
22:59 jcamins cait: like corned beef.
23:00 cait hm, hope i didn't get but 11173 wrong
23:04 wizzyrea oh gmcharlt - my question was about git.koha-community.org
23:04 wizzyrea was wondering if http cloning was working
23:04 wizzyrea it seems not to be.
23:05 wizzyrea and 1. if you knew that and 2. if that was intentional
23:05 wizzyrea and 3. if it could be working someday (cuz'n that would be handy)
23:08 gmcharlt cait: eh, things like 11173 are reasons why overhauling the template system for notices would be a Good Thing
23:08 cait i kinda like the option to send text messages... while i can see why some prefer html
23:08 cait and html is great for the slips
23:09 cait but if i have html, i want to dictate the layout with that and not have the program do it'sown thing
23:09 cait i think
23:09 gmcharlt hence while a better templating engine (like, conveniently, Template Toolkit) would be nice
23:09 gmcharlt as it would ease support all of those options
23:09 gmcharlt *supporting
23:10 cait people might still argue about line breaks :)
23:10 gmcharlt but such arguments could be confined to the templates, and not touch the code :)
23:11 cait hm
23:11 cait not sure i understand the difference here and there... but a nicer template system would be great
23:14 cait long day should sleep soon
23:17 pianohacker sleep, eh
23:17 * ashimema is also sleepy
23:17 * ashimema and is mid fixing a server he broke earlier :(
23:18 pianohacker oh hey martin. nice username :)
23:20 * cait sends coffee and cookies
23:24 ashimema pianhacker.. that's me ;)
23:25 ashimema cheers cait
23:25 ashimema ack.. and again with my typo's
23:26 ashimema yeay.. I unbroked zebra.
23:30 cait yay!
23:31 wizzyrea yayee!
23:36 pianohacker good night :)
23:44 ashimema night y'all
23:46 cait night
23:49 talljoy ok, i'm off for wine. no dinner, just wine. ./blarg
23:49 jcamins talljoy: and wine is a bad thing?
23:49 wizzyrea eating with wine is encouraged.
23:49 talljoy not at all.
23:49 wizzyrea reduces the amount of falling down.
23:50 talljoy true, but i think i'll be on the couch, so no danger of falling.
23:50 talljoy except falling asleep.
23:50 wizzyrea then drink up ;)
23:51 talljoy yiis