Time Nick Message 00:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1479: SUCCESS in 1 hr 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1479/ 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Add missing patron lists help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Authorities Help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update links in Catalog help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update main help files 00:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Lists Help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Add missing authority merge help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update links in label help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update patron card creator help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update tag tool help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update plugins help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update suggestion help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Offline Circ Help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Remove Unused Help File 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Reviews Help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update holds help 00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Reports Help 00:08 admindude Hi, all 00:09 admindude just upgraded from 3.0 to 3.26 via git. My bibliographies are missing from search but are there when I export via csv 00:13 rangi 3.2.6 you mean? 00:13 rangi ok then 00:14 wizzyrea eep 01:37 rambutan off topic, sorry, but couldn't resist the graphic. http://x2t.com/2/bug 01:40 wizzyrea ewww 03:00 mtompset Is there a reason the ids don't align between bootstrap and prog? 03:00 mtj wow!, have people seen this Koha theme… -> http://library.rijksmuseum.nl 03:00 mtj ...my favourite Koha ever :) 03:00 mtj heya mtompset 03:00 wahanui rumour has it mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry 03:01 mtompset Greetings, mtj. :) 03:02 mtj mtompset, i thinks they should align always… prolly a little bug there 03:03 eythian why would they need to line up? 03:04 eythian there's no real reason they would have to, and different designs can mean it doesn't make sense. 03:04 jcamins They should not align. 03:04 jcamins If they were the same, that would be bad. 03:04 * jcamins leaves. 03:09 mtj hmm, really? i kinda assumed that element ids might be crucial to functionality in koha 03:09 * jcamins sticks his head back in. 03:10 eythian they're only useful for CSS and JS, and as they're both particular to the theme, the koha code shouldn't care. 03:10 eythian with the exception of opacuser* type stuff 03:10 jcamins mtj: think about it. If the IDs were the same, existing customizations would just break the OPAC. 03:10 eythian but that should be made to fit your theme anyway. 03:10 jcamins Anything that isn't organized the same way really shouldn't be named the same way. 03:11 mtj ps: i'm very happy to be corrected here :p 03:11 jcamins Proof of that can be seen in the #login id that was given to two entirely different controls at one point. 03:12 jcamins If you try out switching themes and keeping the same ID after rearranging, you'll see what I mean. 03:17 mtj ok, thanks for the info guys - i'll take a look, and prove this to myself :) 03:17 wizzyrea theoretically, you should pick one at install time, and theme on top of that. 03:17 wizzyrea the only problem comes when you change 03:18 wizzyrea and we're talking about nuking the other two anyway. 03:18 eythian I prefer the idea of making one default and transitioning to that. If you make it too easy for people to pick the wrong one, you'll have to delay deprecating it. 03:18 wizzyrea ^^^ so much this 03:21 wizzyrea nuking perhaps was a strong word. 03:21 wizzyrea gently wishing them well and highly suggesting that people not use them. 03:21 eythian actually, I meant removing rather than deprecating. 03:22 mtompset well, if they aren't in the list, you kind of have to do magic in MySQL and in the appropriate directories to get them back. 03:22 wizzyrea kek. 03:22 eythian Just the directories, mysql doesn't care. 03:22 mtompset oh right... the choices are in the pref file. 03:22 wizzyrea you shouldn't be using that theme, you should be customizing on top of the default theme. 03:23 wizzyrea yes, transition, I get that. 03:23 eythian no, I think that the options are worked out by looking at the directories. Not 100% sure though. 03:23 eythian they are for languages. 03:23 wizzyrea ^^ pretty sure this is true 03:23 wizzyrea plonking another theme in there gives the option 03:24 mtompset anyways... looks like I'll be wrestling CSS to get the color-scheme back to the browns we are looking for. 03:24 wizzyrea and it's good if your existing customisations break the opac, that means you know there are things to fix. 03:24 eythian you've got two full releases to do it in, anyway :) 03:24 wizzyrea ^^^ 03:25 mtompset actually, less, because I have to insert a custom patch. 03:26 mtompset but yes, technically two. 03:26 * eythian uploads new packages 03:26 wizzyrea theming is best done with css included with opaccolor 03:27 wizzyrea and not touching the default styles 03:27 mtompset .actions a.hold { 03:27 mtompset background-image: url("../images/sprite.png"); 03:27 wizzyrea sure that could go in opaccolor 03:27 * eythian has uploaded new packages 03:27 wizzyrea whee! 03:27 eythian probably should do a master build too 03:27 mtompset Can someone confirm if that sprite.png file still exists? 03:27 mtompset This is from bootstrap, as far as I can tell. 03:27 eythian $ find -name sprite.png 03:27 eythian ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui/sprite.png 03:27 eythian ./koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/ccsr/images/sprite.png 03:27 eythian ./koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/images/sprite.png 03:28 eythian that's 3.12.06 03:29 mtompset So, why is ../images/sprite.png failing to load in firebug? 03:29 mtompset Oh... now it loads. 03:29 mtompset GRRR... 03:42 Joels68 Hello. Anyone here? 03:43 eythian There are a few people here. 03:43 eythian Hello. 03:46 Joels68 I'm an IRC newbie and just checking in to say hello. I'm from the US. Just attended KohaCon 03:52 Joels68 I'm Joel from the Plum Creek Library System In Minnesota, current Koha user. 03:52 wizzyrea cool hi joel :) 03:52 * mtj waves to joel and wiz 03:53 Joels68 Hello. I met your coworkers from NEKLS at the con. 03:53 wizzyrea sup mtj :) 03:53 wizzyrea ah yea, good folks those. 03:53 wizzyrea my old coworkers ;) and one of my new ones too probably 03:54 mtj me so jealous of the all the KohaCon attendees! 03:54 Joels68 I'm looking to become more active in the community. 03:54 Joels68 It was a great time. Met a lot of great Koha people. 03:54 mtj Joels68, how long has plum-creek been running koha? 03:55 Joels68 Since March 2012. 03:55 mtj ok ok :) 03:56 Joels68 Love the system and it keeps getting better every day. 03:59 Joels68 mtj from Australia? 04:00 Joels68 I recognize wiz but haven't met you yet. 04:01 mtj close-ish… wgtn, nz 04:01 Joels68 OK. 04:03 mtj sorry, wellington - new zealand :) 04:04 Joels68 S'OK. We use wgtn here for Worthington, MN USA, where I'm at. 04:04 Joels68 I kinda guessed it was wellington. 04:07 mtj slightly off-topic but…. does reno do crazy vegas style dinner buffets? 04:07 mtj i wanna know what people were eating at kohacon13 :p 04:07 Joels68 Question about IRC. Right now I'm using Firefox to connect but I have an IRC client that asks for passwords and such to connect. Are these needed? 04:08 mtj no, not needed - but an option 04:08 Joels68 Reno is toned down a bit from vegas. The hotel had a decent buffet but we took in some local fare too. 04:08 mtj you can register your 'nickname', with a password, on an irc server 04:09 mtj so, if you like ''joel68' - and want to spot someone from stealling it…. register your nick with a password 04:10 mtj (most people often cant be bothered, to do this step) 04:11 eythian @wunder nzwn 04:11 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (5:00 PM NZDT on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 04:11 mtj Joels68, yeah, always important to try the local fare :) 04:12 Joels68 Pirates Pizza was popular. Enormous pizzas. 04:13 Joels68 Went there with Chris C, Martin, and Cait. 04:17 mtompset Greetings, Oak. 04:17 Oak hello mtompset :) 04:17 * Oak waves 04:17 mtompset well, made some progress on styling under bootstrap. :) 04:18 mtompset Now, to go catch some sleep. 04:18 Oak ah sleep is good 04:18 Oak good night 04:18 wahanui If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me. 04:18 mtompset Have a great day, #koha Oak eythian wizzyrea Joels68 wahanui mtj. ;) 04:18 eythian later 04:19 Oak Mister Robin! 04:19 eythian hi Oak 04:19 Oak hello 04:19 eythian I was at the Oaks for lunch today, in fact. 04:19 Oak hm, amusing. 04:20 Oak :) 04:21 Joels68 Time for some sleep here too. Tuesday hasn't started yet. 04:21 Oak later dude 04:21 eythian tuesday is almost done here! 04:21 Oak started here 04:22 Joels68 Yes, you are in the future. Was it a good day? 04:25 Joels68 Nice chatting with all of you. Good night. 04:48 tm Hi there. 04:49 eythian hi 04:49 wahanui niihau, eythian 04:50 tm I've got a update problem. Why is it a book that has been catalogue doesn't show up in the search result? But if I generate a report it is there. 04:53 eythian tm: by default the search indicies are updated every 5 minutes, are you trying too fast? 04:55 vinz3g hi, 04:55 tm Nope. waited for days and it is still the same. Is there any log I can check for index updating? 04:55 vinz3g as I can enable my koha to be a public Z39.50 server 04:55 vinz3g ? 04:55 eythian tm: well, it should be run from cron. How do you have Koha installed, packages or some other method? 04:56 eythian vinz3g: you can I believe. I think you'll need to edit koha-conf.xml to do it, but I don't know the details. 04:57 vinz3g If I'm working on it, but really have not found much new and I'm really confused about what parameters edit 04:58 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server <-- vinz3g, have you seen this? 05:00 vinz3g eythian: if and returns me the following: connecting errors = System (lower-layer) error: Connection refused 05:01 eythian vinz3g: I don't know sorry, it might be worth posting to the mailing list and including your configs (without passwords :) and log messages. 05:01 vinz3g ok, thanks 05:16 vinz3g hi, I need restart zebra 05:16 vinz3g thanks 06:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #356 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 06:39 dpk1 eythian: I think I have addressed all the issues raised so far. Please have another look. 06:47 * magnuse waves 06:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #356: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/356/ 06:58 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.8.19 06:58 jenkins_koha * Chris Hall: Release notes for 3.8.19 06:58 jenkins_koha * Chris Hall: Koha 3.8.19 release 07:32 reiveune hello 08:15 * magnuse waves again 08:20 clrh hello 08:20 magnuse bonjour clrh 08:21 magnuse @wunder boo 08:21 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:50 AM CET on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 28.80 in 975 hPa (Steady). 08:21 magnuse @wunder marseille 08:21 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 17.0°C (9:00 AM CET on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 08:24 gaetan_B hello 08:40 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B 09:06 kivilahtio Hi I have a git-related problem. I have a branch ItemFilter, where I have the following commits, bug_11129 -> bug_6385 -> bug_11157. Each commit has a tag named patch11129, patch6385, patch11157. I realized bug_6385 has a bug and needs to be modified. So i ran 'git reset --hard patch6385', modified code, ran 'git commit --amend', now I need to get back to previous HEAD by running 'git reset --hard patch11157'. Now I am at my original HEAD, but 09:06 kivilahtio the changes to bug_6385 are not present. Is there something wrong with my git-workflow? How do you solve these issues? 09:07 kivilahtio I guess this queestion gets asked a lot. 09:13 kivilahtio maybe using git rebase like this link suggests http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1186535/how-to-modify-a-specified-commit 09:14 kivilahtio lol I cant I borke something 09:14 kivilahtio git is bad boy 09:20 agnet hi all 09:20 agnet I am trying to install koha 09:21 agnet with packages as it was suggested to me yesterday 09:21 agnet and I am having some problems with this line 09:21 agnet wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add - 09:21 agnet the error is this 09:21 agnet --2013-10-29 10:19:50-- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc Resolving debian.koha-community.org (debian.koha-community.org)... 67.220.127.145 Connecting to debian.koha-community.org (debian.koha-community.org)|67.220.127.145|:80... ERROR: This command can only be used by root. connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 51879 (51K) [text/plain] Saving to: `STDOUT' 0% [ ] 0 09:21 agnet Cannot write to `-' (Broken pipe). 09:22 agnet can you help me 09:22 agnet ? 09:22 ashimema is your user in the sudo group on your system? 09:23 agnet meaning 09:23 agnet ?? 09:23 agnet how can I check 09:23 agnet how can I check 09:24 agnet ? 09:24 ashimema no need to repeat yourself agnet ;) 09:24 agnet thats a mistake 09:24 agnet sorry 09:24 agnet new laptop 09:24 agnet :( 09:25 ashimema cat /etc/group 09:25 ashimema you user should be appended to the line starting with 'sudo' 09:25 agnet root:x:0: 09:26 ashimema somthig like 'sudo:x:27:koha' 09:26 ashimema my user is koha (in this case) 09:26 ashimema that's assuming you have sudo installed.. I think it's installed by defautl in ubuntu (are you still using ubuntu.. did you update it since yesrday?) 09:28 magnuse to me it looks like that command never gets as far as the sudo part... 09:28 agnet thanks for your help 09:28 agnet yes I have updated to 12.01 09:28 agnet can't update it to 13 09:28 ashimema 12.04 you mean ;) 09:28 agnet yes sorry :) 09:28 ashimema 12.04 is perfect.. that's the LTS version and is best supported by koha 09:29 agnet ok.. thanks 09:29 agnet that line now worked thanks for your help 09:29 ashimema great.. glad I could help :) 09:29 agnet :) 09:30 ashimema magnus: I'de have agreed with you, but I couldn't think of any reason wget would be locked down to root by default. 09:30 agnet When I ran sudo apt-get update 09:30 agnet this message came up 09:30 agnet W: Failed to fetch http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/dists/squeze/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. 09:31 agnet is this good 09:31 agnet can I continue on installing 09:31 ashimema that's a tad odd. 09:31 agnet ?? 09:31 ashimema one second, just going to go through my notes.. it's a while since I installed on ubuntu 09:31 kivilahtio agnet: Are your apt-get sources.list directives ok for the Koha packages 09:32 agnet ashima: thanks 09:32 agnet kivilahtio: can you be more specific 09:32 kivilahtio agnet: /etc/apt/sources.list 09:32 kivilahtio agnet: somewhere in your Ubuntu installation instructions you need to define the Koha packages url 09:33 kivilahtio agnet: You should double check that 09:33 agnet etc apt sources list no such file or directory 09:33 kivilahtio agnet: does your apt-get work? If you type 'sudo apt-get install lynx' does it work? 09:33 agnet I am following step by step from this link 09:33 agnet http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 09:34 agnet yes that line works fine 09:34 kivilahtio agnet you hav a typo 09:34 agnet where 09:34 agnet ? 09:34 kivilahtio agnet: did you copy paste this directive? 09:34 kivilahtio echo deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list 09:35 agnet yes 09:35 kivilahtio hmm 09:35 agnet that is what I copied 09:35 kivilahtio the url you posted says squeze, while this I posted from to link, says squeeze 09:35 kivilahtio I dont know how packages work but you could try with two ee's 09:36 agnet thanks worked 09:36 agnet :) 09:36 agnet for a small mistake 09:36 agnet haha 09:37 * magnuse waves to petter 09:38 petter hi all 09:38 agnet now when I come to the Intial Configuration Part 09:38 kivilahtio agnet: You need to slow down and take your time. When I started with linux I was just bashing around, then I was bashing my head to a wall. You need to read verrry carefully and understand what you are doing 09:39 agnet what do I need to enter the domain etc 09:39 agnet what should I do 09:39 kivilahtio agnet: Don't repeat my mistakes. Understand what you are doing, don't just settle for apt-get install, figure out what really happens. Otherwise you will have hard time all the time 09:40 agnet yes I know kivilahtio. I am not a linux person I am a Microsoft person 09:40 agnet and this is just for once 09:40 kivilahtio agnet: And the transition is a pain in the ass 09:40 agnet yea I know... I don't like it very much... Thankfully I will do this once 09:40 agnet :) 09:40 kivilahtio :) 09:41 kivilahtio just copy paste 09:41 kivilahtio agnet should work 09:41 kivilahtio tho you can access the koha server only from the local machine unless you do some dns stuff 09:41 kivilahtio agnet: you need to know apache2 to modify this 09:42 kivilahtio agnet: mainly the ports and servernames and prefix/suffix 09:42 agnet Koha will be installed locally only and then I connect the laptop to the router and forward port to it 09:42 agnet so it is accessed from outside 09:42 kivilahtio agnet: you need to call the koha server with the serverName, not ip 09:43 agnet that is why I 09:43 agnet did not used packages 09:43 kivilahtio agnet: you can modify the apache2 configs just the same 09:43 agnet as I don't know what I need to do from now on 09:43 kivilahtio well, that is a apache2-problem 09:44 agnet can you tell me step by step how to do this please 09:44 agnet ? 09:45 kivilahtio I can tell you that you need to change the ports, say 80 for OPAC and 8080 for intranet. Then you need to listen to those ports from apache2. Then you need to modify the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/your-koha-configuration to allow access to intranet and OPAC from all IP's 09:46 kivilahtio and make sure the access is not limited ny the serverName directive 09:46 agnet and for the Domain Name?? 09:46 agnet it is on a local machine 09:46 kivilahtio I don't know you intranet topography back where you come from 09:47 agnet so I don't have a domain 09:47 kivilahtio then leave it empty 09:47 agnet ok tks 09:47 kivilahtio agnet: take care! 09:47 agnet and for the intrasuffix 09:47 agnet ? 09:47 agnet will leave it as it is 09:47 kivilahtio try 09:47 agnet ? 09:48 kivilahtio I said you can get it running 09:48 kivilahtio with the defaults 09:48 kivilahtio so get it running, tweak from there 09:48 agnet ok thanks 09:51 kivilahtio agnet: Also you can access many Koha test server around the world. Not sure why you need to install Koha, but if you are just testing it is easier to just use a demo server and a manual 09:51 agnet I just need Koha to be able to cataloge and then export them and import them in another system 09:52 kivilahtio agnet: maybe you could just buy that service? 09:53 kivilahtio agnet: there are some configuration that needs to be done to be able to catalog and esp. import your data 09:53 kivilahtio anget, especialyl if it is a short-term issue for you 09:54 kivilahtio and you don't need linux experience in your organization 09:57 agnet can't do that.. My organization where I work with.. need Koha to catalog books/digital and then when ready... they export the data by exporting them 09:57 agnet and then import them to another system.. 09:57 agnet aleph 09:59 agnet I have another problem 09:59 agnet System maintenance The Koha online catalog is offline for system maintenance. We'll be back soon! If you have any questions, please contact the site administrator 09:59 agnet getting this message 10:01 agnet how can I solve it please 10:01 agnet how can I solve it please? 10:01 agnet ups sorry for the double 10:01 agnet keyboard 10:01 agnet !!! 10:02 agnet sudo a2enmod deflate 10:02 agnet I did those steps 10:02 agnet and no error 10:04 agnet someone? 10:04 wahanui someone is, like, missing 10:05 magnuse agnet: you get that error from the opac as long as you have not run the web installer, which you access at the address for the intranet 10:06 magnuse so try http://localhost:8080/ 10:06 magnuse if you used 8080 for the intranet port 10:08 agnet and how can I do the web installer 10:08 agnet which command to run 10:08 agnet ? 10:10 agnet ?? 10:12 agnet magnuse: which command please? 10:15 agnet as I need it please 10:15 magnuse you need to access the intranet in a web browser 10:15 magnuse so try http://localhost:8080/ 10:16 agnet that worked 10:16 agnet and then 10:16 agnet ? 10:17 magnuse you need to log in there and answer the questions/options 10:18 agnet ok thanks 10:20 agnet it worked 10:21 agnet last question 10:21 agnet is there a way to change the default password please 10:24 magnuse leave the password you used now as it is 10:25 magnuse the first thing you should do is create a new user and give it superlibrarian rights 10:25 magnuse then you should never use the "database user" again 10:26 agnet ok thanls 10:26 agnet thanks 11:43 kivilahtio When was the total Koha rewrite due ? ;) 11:43 kivilahtio just looking at request.pl :) 12:08 petter I don't think total rewrite will ever happen 12:09 petter Nor is it necessarily a good idea 12:09 petter http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html 12:12 petter It’s harder to read code than to write it. 12:12 kivilahtio wow a good article and true, but you should take a look at request.pl :) 12:13 kivilahtio I mean why are all items pulled from DB many times and copied over from array to array 12:13 petter hehe 12:13 petter well, well 12:14 kivilahtio or even worse, iterated to compare some itemnumber to other 12:14 petter right 12:14 petter While rewrite might be a bad idea - refactoring is maybe a better one 12:14 kivilahtio petter: I am not saing the whole Koha should be overwritten, but some parts definetely have been tinkered way past bedtime 12:14 petter I mean 12:14 kivilahtio petter ++ 12:14 petter one should continously refactor 12:14 petter sure 12:14 kivilahtio but this is a very good article thanks for that! 12:15 petter Yea, its a famous article, I saw it referenced many places 12:16 petter And I think Koha is slowly but surely is getting refactored from old prodedural code into more object oriented style 12:16 petter Just look at the differences from directory C4 and Koha 12:18 kivilahtio petter: yup 12:18 petter oh, request.pl indeed looks messy! 12:18 kivilahtio yup :) 12:37 kf petter: it's because holds are insane... 12:37 kf my theory at least :) 12:38 petter yes, reality is messy, so sooner or later code becomes messy too 12:38 petter :) 12:46 kivilahtio kf: I agree that holds are messy 12:47 kivilahtio kf: And we should even have more complex holds 12:47 kivilahtio kf: Like being able to place substitute holds, So we can hold 4 biblios/items, and if any of them is reserved, then other holds are nulled 12:50 Dyrcona kivilahtio: Does this mean I'll have to go to Koha conferences to get salmiakki in the future? :p 12:57 kivilahtio Dyrcona: wow, no idea. We are working on that. After two weeks we have a meeting in Oulu where we decide should we choose Koha or Evergreen or Nothing 12:57 * Dyrcona votes for Nothing. :p 12:57 kivilahtio Dyrcona: But I have a gut feeling I am not participating to library conferences any time soon ;( 12:58 kivilahtio Dyrcona: So you might have to import your salmiakki from somewhere else 12:58 Dyrcona :) 12:58 kivilahtio Dyrcona: but the way things are progressing I am veering towards Nothing as well 12:59 Dyrcona kivilahtio: Trouble is all library software is pretty much equally bad, and the commercial products are often worse. 12:59 kivilahtio Dyrcona: yeah I have noticed 12:59 Dyrcona kivilahtio: I put the blame on the crap "standards" that library software must adhere to. 13:00 kivilahtio Dyrcona: I am not so sure the issue is with MARC or SIP2 13:00 kivilahtio Dyrcona: The requirements are just really complex 13:00 kivilahtio Dyrcona: Business logic is crazy, especially when it comes to holds and circulation 13:01 kivilahtio Dyrcona: I didn't know there are so many ways to place a hold 13:01 Dyrcona kivilahtio: There's that, too. We often hear contradictory things from our consortium members regarding requirements. 13:02 kivilahtio Dyrcona: wow that's hard. And try to make compromises :) 13:03 Dyrcona kivilahtio: Yeah. "We want it simple, except for this and this and that, oh and that thing, too." :) 13:04 * Dyrcona wonders how complicated SAP is, 'cause we're basically writing SAP for libraries. 13:04 magnuse "an ils is just a database, with crazy rules" 13:05 Dyrcona magnuse: No. It must also be a discovery platform, an accounting system, inventory control, etc. 13:06 magnuse Dyrcona: yes, a database that is bent to do all those things 13:06 kivilahtio Dyrcona: And this library shouldnt be able to modify this librarys items but it should be able to modify the patrons. This library and this library MUST be able to float material together but not with any other library 13:06 kivilahtio lol my colleagues no longer even say bye bye to me when they leave office 13:06 kivilahtio it's this bad here :) 13:07 kivilahtio I guess I am the bad boy now by saying that we arent making progress with Evergreen and will fail our deadlines if we don't do something 13:07 kivilahtio anyway, back to request.pl :) 13:08 kivilahtio Dyrcona: btw, what is SAP? 13:08 Dyrcona http://www.sap.com/ 13:09 Dyrcona The be-all, do-all software for business, an ILS for industry. 13:10 Dyrcona "You don't modify SAP to suit your business. You modify your business to suit SAP." 13:10 magnuse more modularity would probably be good 13:12 kivilahtio magnuse: totally, atleast data accessors should be centralized 13:12 kivilahtio magnuse: Currently there are many ways to pull different kinds of Items from the DB 13:12 kivilahtio that is confusing 13:13 Dyrcona And here I thought options were good. Choice is good, right? ;) 13:13 magnuse :-) 13:13 kivilahtio Dyrcona: Just extended GetItemsInfo() to support custom filters, like fromDate or volume or issue. But because Items data is accessed from so many different places, my filter is only good for this one access method 13:14 kivilahtio This is a BIG problme 13:22 magnuse i wonder if DBIx::Class will help make that sort of thing better 13:24 khall magnuse: I do believe we should be able to add custom column filters using dbic 13:24 khall http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class/lib/DBIx/Class/FilterColumn.pod 13:25 kivilahtio Hibernate for Perl? 13:25 khall basically 13:27 magnuse i was thinking of centralizing data access methods, but i suspect there is a world of potential hiding in dbic 13:27 kivilahtio I smell trouble :) The great thing with Koha's random and rancid SQL accessors is the ease of understanding the code 13:28 kivilahtio using a DB abstraction layer will increase the learning curve 13:28 kivilahtio but regarding how easy it is to get into Koha, I think it might be a great idea 13:29 magnuse :-) 13:29 kivilahtio With evergreen I hated it's db-abstraction layer. That was because I never really understood it. 13:29 kivilahtio But here we actually have a documented Perl library to do it 13:30 kivilahtio reagrdless DBIx is the way to go 13:30 kivilahtio if we ever ge tto vote or something 13:34 oleonard Hi #koha 13:38 magnuse kivilahtio: it's too late to vote, bug 8798 is already pushed to stable ;-) 13:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P3, ---, elliott, Pushed to Master , Add the use of DBIx::Class 13:39 kivilahtio oleonard: hi there! 13:39 magnuse s/stable/master/ 13:39 kivilahtio oleonard: You need to verify my UI design! 13:39 magnuse hiya oleonard 13:39 kivilahtio magnuse: and I knew it! This is a tyranny! 13:39 oleonard kivilahtio: ? 13:39 kivilahtio oleonard: http://193.65.112.189/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=26484&clearFilter=Clear+filter 13:39 jcamins kivilahtio: voting and discussion went on for over a year. 13:40 kivilahtio oleonard: regarding bug_11129 13:40 kivilahtio jcamins: just kidding, don't shoot me 13:41 kivilahtio oleonard: You have seen this, but with the "clear filter"-button, do I really need to use a plain link? 13:42 oleonard I think it would be more consistent with the OPAC in general to use plain links for both, perhaps with accompanying icons from (or added to) the sprite 13:42 kivilahtio oleonard: how do you suggest i use those icons? 13:43 kivilahtio in this case you are prolly taking about the arrow down icon? 13:45 oleonard See search results or lists for examples of how plain links are styled with icons to help clarify their purpose 13:46 oleonard the "more searches" menu on the detail page shows an example of the arrow indicator being used 13:47 oleonard I'm not the king of the OPAC, but I do have strong opinions. You're welcome to rally counter-opinions 13:47 kivilahtio oleonard: I heard you are the UI expert and I think I trust your judgement 13:47 kivilahtio oleonard: I will apply the fix per your instructions 13:51 magnuse bonjour paul_p 13:51 kivilahtio hi paul_p 13:51 paul_p hi northern guys ! 13:51 paul_p ( hi southerns too ;-) ) 13:51 kivilahtio Scandinavian Union? 13:52 kivilahtio I heard Sweden is almost to Koha as well 13:52 kivilahtio so... 13:52 rambutan kivilahtio: are you an evergreen dev? 13:52 kivilahtio We just need a committee I guess 13:52 kivilahtio rambutan: well, no. I got frustrated as hell working with it 13:52 paul_p kivilahtio why not. Not sure norway will join the union. At least as long as they've an oil treasure under their feet :D 13:52 rambutan ah, ok. 13:52 kivilahtio rambutan: But I have been building our server cluster to run it := 13:53 paul_p rambutan = do you want to depress kivilahtio ? it's not a friendly question :D 13:53 kivilahtio rambutan: But I maye be able to answer some questions, but I feel like Dyrcona is a better Evergreen dev. 13:53 rambutan no, it's just that I read something about EG moving to a browser based interface, and I was wondering about the status of that 13:53 rambutan no big deal 13:54 kivilahtio rambutan: that's true, and a big relief for the community. Their staff client is based on some ancient Xulrunner they cannot migrate from. This has been a huge handicap for Evergreen. Did you get the eta for the transition? 13:54 * oleonard suspects gmcharlt would have knowledge of this 13:55 rambutan no, I just skimmed some article, and don't recall any details 13:55 jcamins As would jeff, I bet. 13:55 magnuse hola tcohen 13:55 rambutan actullly gmcharlt would probably know, I'll ask him sometime 13:56 kivilahtio rambutan: I think funding is being raised to do the migration to web based. 13:56 rambutan ic 13:56 Dyrcona rambutan: The browser based interface is not yet a complete proof of concept, but some groups are gathering funds to begin the exploratory work. 13:56 kivilahtio rambutan: Too bad it won't help our migration deadlines 13:56 rambutan is there currently a linux client for EG? 13:57 kivilahtio you need to compile it 13:57 jcamins Yeah, the staff client is XULrunner based. 13:57 kivilahtio first you install the EG server (good luck with that) then you try to figure out how the hell you compile the staff client 13:57 kivilahtio for linux 13:57 Dyrcona Pfft.... It's cake. 13:57 oleonard I have enough trouble getting Chatzilla running under XULrunner ;) 13:58 kivilahtio but the documentation for that is pretty good. http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=mozilla-devel:building_the_staff_client 14:01 kivilahtio phew killed the request.pl and friends 14:02 oleonard ? 14:03 kivilahtio oleonard: well not literally, just.. you know.. solved my issues with them ;) 14:03 kivilahtio so don't go hollering to NSA wil lyou? 14:03 magnuse too late to worry about that, probably 14:03 kivilahtio magnuse: :) so true 14:04 gmcharlt re Evergreen replacing its staff client -- no firm ETA as yet, but various parties, including Equinox, are working on various projects to gather funding and do more prototyping 14:04 gmcharlt needless to say, it woudl be a rather large change, akin to the effort of fully implementing the various search, indexing, and multi-metadata projects folks are interested in for Koha 14:06 rambutan ack 14:11 druthb "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice. 14:12 druthb end-of-year gift from my employer: A standard membership in AAA. :) (American Automobile Association, an auto-services club, for the non-US-ians.) 14:13 jcamins What an interesting end-of-year gift. 14:13 rambutan hey, I'll take it. Heckofa lot more than I'll get. 14:13 kivilahtio rambutan: so what do you get? 14:13 rambutan 0 zero, zip, nada, the empty set 14:14 kivilahtio rambutan: cool me too! 14:14 tcohen druthb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUO-pXuw6gg 14:15 druthb I've never been a AAA member before. A lot of their services are things that an extremely self-reliant person (like me) will just do for themselves. But the member discounts on this and that will be nice. 14:16 kivilahtio druthb: don't get me started!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9XiD_2K7-Q 14:16 druthb tcohen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice's_Adventures_in_Wonderland Increasingly, I feel like I've wandered down a very well-funded rabbit hole here... 14:17 tcohen hehj 14:17 oleonard You're making all the public employees jealous druthb ;) 14:17 * magnuse considers what he should give himself for a end-of-year gift 14:17 kivilahtio oleonard: yeah, but we all know that "the public bread is long but thin" 14:18 oleonard Heh, we don't have that saying in America 14:18 kivilahtio we do 14:18 druthb oleonard: There's more coming….I hear end-of-year bonuses are pretty amazing here. Also, Nick gives a *personal* gift—besides the company gift—to everyone. 14:18 druthb Last year, it was a nice rollaboard suitcase. 14:18 * jcamins doesn't get a AAA membership as an end-of-year gift. 14:18 kivilahtio druthb: well... We have almost free healthcare, top that 14:19 kivilahtio :) 14:19 magnuse so there! 14:19 wahanui rumour has it so there is no way we can enable it I think 14:19 oleonard Yeah, but your boss is a jerk jcamins 14:19 druthb kivilahtio: if we had anyone rational in Washington DC, we'd have that. 14:20 kivilahtio druthb: Have you read this comic? http://www.addictedtowar.com/ 14:22 kivilahtio nice song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B591rJlMY5c 14:23 druthb I have, yes. Where we've gotten to is no great surprise to anyone who grasps what President Eisenhower said about the "military-industrial complex." 14:23 kivilahtio yup 14:23 kivilahtio and it saddens me 14:24 druthb (Eisenhower was born in my home town, so I had occasion to study his Presidency at some length in school.) 14:24 kivilahtio druthb: America has had some pretty awesome presidents. Too bad the greatest have been assassinated 14:25 kivilahtio fighting against private banks, fighting against military industrial complex 14:25 kivilahtio so sad 14:25 kivilahtio but gotta keep fightin you know :) 14:25 kivilahtio @ work 14:25 huginn kivilahtio: I've exhausted my database of quotes 14:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Translation files for 3.14.0-beta <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=616db836b971329da72b8f5c4027c63feaec5002> 14:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #186 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 7 days 8 hr ago) 14:33 * magnuse should be translating 14:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1480 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:54 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:55 druthb hi, mtompset! :) 14:55 mtompset Greetings, druthb. 14:55 mtompset I was playing with the bootstrap styling. 14:55 mtompset The login link doesn't work the same now. 14:56 mtompset I enabled persona, and it only shows on the right, but not in the pop-up windows. 15:00 rambutan morning mtompset 15:00 mtompset Greetings, rambutan. 15:02 mtompset Oh this is interesting... can't log in persona?! 15:02 kivilahtio Hi I have a issue with applying a patch ontop of another patch using 'git bz apply 11157'. Here's the error http://pastebin.com/LSmhQycs 15:03 kivilahtio Patch failed at 0001 Bug 11157 - Placing a simple item-level hold for serials.? 15:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11157 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Placing a simple item-level hold for serials. 15:03 kivilahtio fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless ? 15:03 kivilahtio I guess this is bad 15:04 kivilahtio I am running my dev environment from where I make these patches. Then I try to apply them in our "production" server. 15:04 oleonard It usually means you tried to apply a patch that depended on another patch 15:04 kivilahtio bot have been updated to latest master 15:05 kivilahtio oleonard: hmm. tricky. I'll try resetting my commit tree and replacing some pathces, maybe I have missed something 15:07 mtompset Hmmm... more things must have been done... *waits for master to fetch* 15:08 Joubu kivilahtio: you can try to apply the patch with git apply --reject and see where the problem is 15:21 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #186: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/186/ 15:21 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation files for 3.14.0-beta 15:28 mtompset "audience mismatch: domain mismatch" Grrrr... 15:56 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 15:56 mtompset Greetings drnoe. 15:56 tcohen hi, power outage here 15:56 drnoe howdy 16:04 tcohen again 16:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #187 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 7 days 9 hr ago) 16:19 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11086: (follow-up) editing the database files also <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ffa2fbc93de0df27482556ae7dabdc57d9ab1a60> / Bug 11086: Fixing some grammatical mistakes in member-flags and tools-home <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa88585674148b36817168c27cc70da555ce6da6> 16:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1480: SUCCESS in 1 hr 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1480/ 16:24 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation files for 3.14.0-beta 16:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #1481 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:28 tcohen @later tell eythian would u consider building MARC::Record 2.0.6? 16:28 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 16:29 kf tcohen: maybe point him to the bug for explanation? but good idea! 16:30 * tcohen is building UNC's branch with those patches to make some tests 16:30 kf cool :) 16:44 lettucebowling Recommended upgrade path from 3.00.01.005? Should I just build a new vm with Debian and import the MySQL DB? I've been tasked with upgrading this, it was a vmware version from khall a few years back. 16:44 kf lettucebowling: switching to packages would be good I think 16:44 kf if you are updating from 3.0 you will also have to run a script, but the packages should tell you that I think 16:45 kf tcohen: do you know if they will? 16:45 lettucebowling I agree with that on the packages 16:45 tcohen yes 16:45 tcohen koha-upgrade-to-3.4 instancename 16:46 lettucebowling tcohen: assuming I've followed all the steps on the wiki for Debian, are you referring to a perl script that does the db upgrade? 16:47 tcohen there are two upgrade scripts 16:47 tcohen koha-upgrade-schema (which is triggered automagically on each upgrade) 16:48 tcohen koha-upgrade-to-3.4 which you'll need to run by yourself once you load your old DB 16:48 lettucebowling tcohen: got it. 16:48 tcohen the steps would be 16:48 tcohen 1) clean packages install 16:48 tcohen 2) create a new instance called whatever you want 16:48 tcohen drop the database it created (in mysql) 16:49 tcohen 4) recreate the database empty this time 16:49 tcohen 5) load your old 3.0.x db into it 16:49 tcohen 6) run koha-upgrade-schema instancename 16:50 tcohen 7) run koha-upgrade-to-3.4 instancename 16:50 tcohen 8) run koha-rebuild-zebra -f instancename 16:50 druthb tcohen++ 16:50 tcohen 9) give tcohen some cookies 16:50 lettucebowling tcohen: you deserve many many cookies!! 16:51 kf tcohen++ :) 16:51 lettucebowling tcohen: so this doesn't seem to far out of bounds. Thanks so much. 16:51 tcohen i've learnt a few days ago that this beatiful community deserves all the cookie jar 16:52 lettucebowling tcohen: I can try to convince our gifts officer to donate to koha-community; no promises - we are a non-profit too :0 16:52 * kf hands tcohen cookies :) 16:52 * druthb makes up a big batch of snax bars to send to tcohen 16:53 tcohen heh 16:53 tcohen i have to say druthb that i still have a couple of those you brought to kohacon13 16:54 tcohen :-D 16:54 druthb :D 16:55 kf ok going home now - later :) 17:02 kivilahtio Joubu: can you 'git bz apply' these patches real quick? 11129, 6385, 11157? I get no issues in my dev machine even if applying to a freshly cloned repo. But no go in my production environment. 17:03 kivilahtio Joubu: regarding this http://pastebin.com/LSmhQycs 17:04 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #187: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/187/ 17:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11086: Fixing some grammatical mistakes in member-flags and tools-home 17:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11086: (follow-up) editing the database files also 17:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11086 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha Tools Upload Patron Images text description change 17:27 tcohen bug 6554 is a mess, I cannot reproduce most of the reported problems 17:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, ketan, Failed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 17:27 tcohen is there a 'bz reset --hard origin/master 6554' command? 17:28 jcamins tcohen: what on earth would that do? 17:29 kivilahtio jcamins: Can you help me just apply three patches? 17:29 tcohen i don't know, something like deleting most of the attachments and comments 17:29 jcamins tcohen: oh, I see. No. 17:29 jcamins kivilahtio: just use git am -3iu 18:02 reiveune1 bye 18:04 druthb cait! 18:04 cait hi druthb :) 18:07 kivilahtio jcamins: thanks but no thanks. Got it fixed and learnt a heavy lesson on how not to modify previous commits 18:07 kivilahtio we have a saying that one learns by the heel 18:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1481: SUCCESS in 1 hr 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1481/ 18:11 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11086: Fixing some grammatical mistakes in member-flags and tools-home 18:11 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11086: (follow-up) editing the database files also 18:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11086 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha Tools Upload Patron Images text description change 18:12 tcohen byeeee 18:17 rangi morning 18:18 druthb hiya, rangi. :) 18:19 rangi heya druthb, hows texas? 18:23 oleonard Hi rangi 18:23 rangi hey oleonard 18:23 wahanui i heard oleonard was still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 18:26 * oleonard is trying to upgrade Drupal 6 to Drupal 7, just because it's so much fun. 18:27 rangi hehe 18:27 rangi wait until 8 comes out, thats gonna break EVERYTHING 18:27 rangi on purpose 18:27 jcamins Apparently there are formats as bad as MARC: https://code.google.com/p/xee/source/browse/XeePhotoshopLoader.m#108 18:27 oleonard rangi: I know, I know! 18:27 rangi eew 18:27 rangi oleonard: drupalsouth is on soon 18:28 rangi https://drupalsouth2014.drupal.org.nz/ 18:28 oleonard Shall I come and bellyache to everyone about upgrades? 18:28 rangi thats all i do 18:28 rangi and im not even on the drupal team 18:29 rangi i think we have 30 drupal developers now 18:30 oleonard I wish I spent enough time with Drupal to think in Drupal, but that would mean spending a little too much time with Drupal 18:30 rangi http://www.scmp.com/frontpage/international <-- i think is still the biggest drupal site we've done 18:31 rangi http://www.maoritelevision.com/ <-- that one too 18:31 rangi scmp is quite tricky with its lazy loading 18:31 oleonard Ugh, I should throw this whole site in the trash and code it by hand from scratch. 18:32 rangi heh 18:36 mtompset jcamins: That link... Hilarious. :) 18:36 cait rangi: what do you thnk about the postgres db schema - could it be removed? 18:37 rangi yep as could kohastructure.sql (but not yet) 18:37 rangi id leave it all for now 18:37 cait bug 11155 18:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11155 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WONTFIX, PostgreSQL schema contains syntax errors 18:37 rangi and once 3.14 is released 18:37 cait just pondering an answer here 18:37 cait and was not sure 18:38 rangi we could start tidying up 18:38 cait but if someone wanted to submit a patch? 18:38 rangi we'd have to make the installer use the schema deploy 18:38 rangi yep a patch ot remove it wouldnt hurt 18:38 rangi basically we want to get to just installer/data 18:38 rangi no mysql or postgres 18:39 rangi and the schema is the dbix::class schema 18:44 gmcharlt and either DBMS-independent SQL for the seed data, or possibly CSV or the like 18:44 rangi yep 18:44 gmcharlt there will probably have to be hooks for DBMS-dependent follow-up scripts -- e.g., to set the storage engine for select tables 18:45 rangi id imagine changing the installer to create teh db from the schema would be first step 18:45 rangi then remove both of hte kohastructure.sql files 18:45 rangi heh i can not type the 18:45 rangi then the data as the next step 18:45 gmcharlt rangi: only three more possibilities to go! 18:45 rangi :) 18:46 mtompset There will still be back-end connection information in the koha-conf.xml file though, right? 18:47 mtompset i.e. once connected, everything is agnostic. 18:49 cait gmcharlt: rangi - would one of you comment on the bug then? ;) 18:51 rangi cait: sometime, when i get time 18:51 cait if your live is like mine... that means never :) 18:52 gmcharlt I've drop in a comment 18:55 JesseM bug 9011 18:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item 18:55 dbs cait++ rangi++ gmcharlt++ 18:56 JesseM is this '9011' getting pushed in to 3.14? 18:56 oleonard Not if it's "In Discussion" JesseM 18:56 gmcharlt JesseM: no, that's rather unlikely at this point 18:57 JesseM thanks I was just wondering 18:59 cait hi dbs 18:59 rangi seems like a good feature tho, be nice to get it in 3.16 19:00 rangi dbs: you should be able to deploy a postgres db from the schema in master now .. however i havent tried in a long time :) 19:00 rangi and it would have to be done by hand 19:01 rangi (not using the installer) 19:01 rangi however i plan to (with the help of bgkriegel) set up a postgres koha instance that runs all the unit tests for master in jenkins 19:02 rangi we have mysql and maria currently, i think adding postgres will help us catch a lot of the low hanging mysqlisms 19:02 gmcharlt at the moment, a case-insensitive collation would be a good idea if you make the attempt 19:02 rangi true 19:06 rangi i reckon next time we have a kohacon in the same continent as most of the evergreen developers we should try to organise a combined hackfest 19:07 rangi or even if oleonard organises the athens county hackfest, might be worth extending it for open source ils :) 19:08 rangi just dont tell sirsi dynix the location 19:08 druthb lol 19:08 rangi it would be dangerous to have all the open source ils devs in one place :-) 19:08 oleonard yeah that's what I'm thinking too--several Evergreen libraries in my neighborhood 19:08 rambutan When is the Athens County OpenSource ILS Fest? 19:09 oleonard Whenever it gets organized 19:09 rangi :) 19:10 druthb c'mon, oleonard, get it together! 19:10 druthb doooo eeeeet 19:10 rambutan February 2014 you say? That works. Cheap airfares then. 19:10 oleonard No, gotta plan it precisely between now and KohaCon 2014 19:11 druthb hi, tcohen! :) 19:12 tcohen hi druthb 19:14 rangi ok time for the school run, bbiab 19:14 oleonard Uh oh, but what if Marseille hackfest falls precisely between now and KohaCon 2014? 19:14 cait i think marseille was plannd for march, but maybe possible to move? 19:15 cait i might be confused 19:15 cait it has been a long day 19:16 tcohen oleonard: KohaCon14 will be held at October 2014, days to be confirmed 19:16 dbs rangi: I was just doing "psql -f kohastructure.sql" to get an idea of the basic koha schema :) 19:16 jcamins oleonard: is that an actual requirement from YPOW? 19:16 cait tcohen: can't we have one earlier? :P 19:16 * cait is all for shortening the times between kohacons... ;) 19:17 * dbs would try to get to a combo hackfest 19:17 oleonard YPOW? 19:17 jcamins Your Place Of Work. 19:17 oleonard It just seems sensible. Spread out the Koha events for maximum coverage. 19:18 oleonard But if Marseille hackfest is in March then Athens hackfest should be halfway between now and March, and someone *else* has to have a hackfest halfway between March and KohaCon 2014. 19:18 oleonard Simple. 19:18 * cait might have burnt her dinner a bit 19:18 jcamins Heh. Makes sense. 19:25 cait will one of the hackfests develop a teleporter.pm? :) 19:26 jcamins Ooh, if it's a joint Koha/EG hackfest in Athens maybe we can persuade rfrasur to come! 19:26 oleonard rfrasur? 19:26 jcamins She's the director of an Evergreen library. 19:26 jcamins She's on the border of Ohio. 19:28 jcamins Other people may be nearby too, but she's the only person who mentioned being near Ohio. 19:29 tcohen oh, you're not talking about the Greek city 19:29 jcamins Hehe. 19:29 jcamins No. 19:30 oleonard No, my home town in Ohio tcohen :) 19:30 tcohen :-D 19:30 oleonard These are the Evergreen folks I know of: http://info.cool-cat.org/?page_id=13 Not especially close, but in the same state at least 19:30 tcohen your blog is in my startup page, i'm not sure why i didn't associate that 19:31 * oleonard pities his poor neglected blog 19:34 gmcharlt oleonard: I suggest talking with RoganH on Freenode if you want to pursue a joint hackfest -- he's done the cat herding for getting the previous two EG hackfests organized 19:34 oleonard Okay, thanks 19:35 oleonard After the KohaCon hackfest I'm a little intimidated about the work required to make one go smoothly :) 19:35 oleonard But at least I know better when the cookies and coffee should arrive. 19:35 gmcharlt room, caffeine, power-strips... 19:35 gmcharlt otherwise, we don't need much ;) 19:36 jcamins oleonard: by which I hope you mean "EARLY!" 19:36 gmcharlt jcamins: I dunno, the zombie horde effect was amusing 19:36 jcamins Heh. 19:37 gmcharlt KITTEENZZ! 19:38 oleonard Without rangi or paul_p there I can skimp on the coffee too, right? 19:38 cait gmcharlt: internetz! 19:39 gmcharlt oleonard: NO YOU CANNOT 19:39 gmcharlt ;) 19:39 gmcharlt cait: ah, good point 19:39 cait :) 19:41 druthb lolz 19:41 * druthb joins the Zombie Horde, and shambles around, mumbling. 19:52 rambutan If I'm able to attend I volunteer to bring the coffee and tea 19:52 rambutan and cherry mashes maybe 19:53 rambutan which are made here in St. Joseph http://www.cherrymash.com/ 19:59 gmcharlt oleonard++ 20:01 * oleonard asks that there be no more Pauls. We have enough Pauls. 20:01 gmcharlt OK 20:01 * gmcharlt tosses the name change form into the shredder 20:10 druthb gmcharlt: is that pic what I looked like pre-caffiene at KohaCon? 20:11 * gmcharlt whistles innocently 20:11 druthb Well-dodged, sir. 20:13 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/394727064302911488 20:13 druthb cait++ 20:19 trea @get quote 123 20:19 huginn trea: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". 20:19 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 20:19 trea @quote get 123 20:19 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 20:19 huginn trea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 20:19 talljoy ah yes 20:19 talljoy mad schemes 20:23 jcamins Does anyone have any recognizes for media carousels that look good without taking up a lot of vertical space? 20:23 jcamins *recommendations 20:23 jcamins I have no idea what I was thinking that the word "recognizes" came out instead of "recommendations." 20:23 wizzyrea anythingslider 20:23 rangi my slot machine? 20:23 rangi :) 20:24 wizzyrea or rangi's slot machine 20:24 jcamins rangi: your slot machine? 20:24 rangi oh didnt i show you that? 20:24 jcamins Nope. 20:24 rangi i made a slot machine newbooks display for reno 20:25 rangi ill have to put it up online somewhere 20:25 wizzyrea (but anythingslider is probably more of what you are looking for. It's eminently configurable) 20:25 rangi yeah 20:25 jcamins Yeah, AnythingSlider looks nice. 20:26 wizzyrea depending on your markup it can do pretty much whatever you want 20:26 wizzyrea what words would I put in bugzilla for the feature that added the item url to the holdings table 20:26 wizzyrea i tried "item url" and that didn't get me anyhwere 20:26 wizzyrea where& 20:26 wizzyrea gah. 20:26 * wizzyrea stops now. 20:27 wizzyrea never mind, found it. :) http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8090 20:27 huginn 04Bug 8090: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , item links should have descriptive text 20:32 rangi hmm dynix classic, im pretty sure that was made before i was born 20:33 tcohen is it possible to change itemtypes from mysql? 20:33 rangi hmm? 20:33 rangi the codes? 20:33 wahanui the codes are internal 20:33 jcamins tcohen: yeah, but you'll have to do a complete reindex. 20:34 rangi or just change what itemtype an item is? 20:34 tcohen is it buried inside the MARC records? 20:34 rangi items.itype 20:34 wahanui items.itype is, like, a column 20:34 jcamins Woohoo! AnythingSlider is GPL3. 20:34 rangi if you have item level itemtypes turned on 20:34 tcohen the latter rangi, but i see it is also in biblioitems.itemtype 20:34 jcamins Oh. LGPL3. That should still be compatible with AGPL3, though. 20:35 rangi tcohen if you have itemlevel itemtypes on as the syspref 20:35 rangi you only need worry about the items.itype column 20:36 tcohen ok, but it wouldnt let me delete an itemtype because it is used somewhere (biblioitems) 20:36 rangi i thought you were just changing what itemtype and item is .. if you are changing the itemtypes themselves, then yes, you need to update them everywhere 20:37 tcohen i'm moving items from one itemtype to another 20:38 jcamins My recommendation is a script based on touch_all_biblios that changes the item type in biblioitems in the appropriate situations. 20:38 tcohen and would like to clean the itemtypes table 20:43 tcohen oops 20:44 tcohen "AU | AU" doesn't seem like a valid itemtype (AU is) 20:46 * tcohen loves when someone else made a mistake on migrating data 20:51 tcohen hmm, is it possible that there is no fk constrain on itemtype for the biblioitems table? 20:52 jcamins tcohen: that is correct, because it can be NULL. 20:53 tcohen if a library had biblio-level itemtypes, and switched to item-level, they might have NULL and NOT NULL? 20:54 tcohen but in any way those itemtype values should be present in the itemtypes table, right? 20:54 jcamins Right, and they ought to be. 21:08 gmcharlt nullable FKs are permitted, though 21:09 jcamins gmcharlt: then why don't we use them anywhere? 21:09 gmcharlt jcamins: the dead weight of history, presumably 21:09 jcamins Okay, so there's not a specific reason that you're aware of. I never wanted one until after I switched to MariaDB, so I figured it was a support issue. 21:10 jcamins wizzyrea: roasted cauliflower or cauliflower soup? 21:10 cait roasted. 21:10 mtompset first choice? 21:10 gmcharlt I can't speak to whether there were InnoDB bugs back in the day that made it problematic, but there's nothing stopping us now 21:10 cait you didn't ask me.. but... 21:10 wizzyrea ohhh hmmm 21:10 mtompset At least we are on the same wave length cait. :) 21:11 mtompset Well, have a great day, #koha. 21:11 jcamins And I think on the way home I'll pick up some berries. I have a bunch of fennel. 21:11 jcamins Though... 21:11 tcohen *sigh, bug found 21:11 * mtompset waves bye. 21:11 wizzyrea @wunder brooklyn NY 21:11 jcamins I could also try something different, just to be crazy. 21:11 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Park Slope, Brooklyn, NY 11215, Brooklyn, New York is 7.2°C (5:11 PM EDT on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 21:11 mtompset tcohen: There will always be bugs, until the length of code is 0. :P 21:11 wizzyrea hm chilly, soup. 21:11 jcamins @wunder 11375 21:11 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 12.9°C (4:57 PM EDT on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 21:11 jcamins Wow. It's a lot warmer here than Brooklyn. Go figure. 21:11 wizzyrea yea wtf! 21:12 wizzyrea lol :) 21:12 jcamins Still feels pretty cold. 21:12 wizzyrea @quote add mtompset: there will always be bugs, until the length of code is 0. 21:12 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 21:12 wizzyrea curses. 21:12 wizzyrea @quote add mtompset: there will always be bugs, until the length of code is 0. 21:12 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #282 added. 21:12 wizzyrea take that! 21:13 jcamins Oh, wow. Caramelized fennel. 21:13 jcamins http://putneyfarm.com/2012/04/05/caramelized-fennel-the-best-fennel-youll-ever-eat/ 21:13 wizzyrea ok that sounds pretty magic 21:14 jcamins Okay, I should go and get the veggies so I can make something with them. 21:20 rambutan @wunder 64507 21:20 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 14.9°C (4:20 PM CDT on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 21:29 magnuse @wunder boo 21:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (10:20 PM CET on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.12 in 986 hPa (Steady). 21:29 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 21:29 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 24.0°C (6:00 PM ART on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006 hPa (Falling). 21:29 magnuse :-) 21:30 eythian hi 21:30 wahanui hi, eythian 21:30 rangi eythian: i cant make it to the hearing tomorrow, so if it works with whitireia and kathryn did you want to take my place? 21:30 magnuse kia ora eythian 21:30 eythian tcohen: I've had a brief go at building it, but I couldn't make it work. I'll try again when I get the chance. 21:30 rangi doh 21:30 eythian heh 21:30 rangi wrong #koha :) 21:31 rangi never mind, nuffink super secret 21:31 rambutan I should publish an anthology: "The Collected Recipes of #Koha". 21:31 magnuse we could put recipes in the wiki ;-) 21:31 tcohen rambutan++ # i'll buy a copy of it 21:31 rambutan I think I might try the fennel recipe above. 21:32 tcohen thanks eythian, i forgot to mention is related to bug 11096 21:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11096 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha cannot retreive big records from Zebra 22:04 tcohen what would be the source for sysprefs value validity check? 22:07 tcohen rephrase: i want to write a script/library/tool to check your systempreferences are sane/missing/invalid/deprecated 22:12 cait hm not sure 22:12 rangi there was one 22:12 rangi sort of 22:12 rangi in xt 22:14 rangi t/db_dependent/check_sysprefs.t 22:14 rangi maybe 22:18 gaetan_B bye ! 22:18 rangi cya gaetan_B 22:38 jcamins [off] "Hi, I'm writing a new ILS, but I wanted to know what the difference between MARC and Bibframe is." <-- seriously? wtf are you doing writing a new ILS if you don't know that? Why is a new *ILS* even needed, anyway? 22:39 tcohen [off] WTF 22:40 cjh [off] ahhahhaaha 22:43 cait [off] where? 22:46 jcamins [off] Code4lib. 22:48 tcohen http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cat_know 22:51 tcohen rangi: i was thinking of a tab in About, something like "Koha's Health" 22:52 tcohen oh, that already exists like "System information" 22:52 tcohen i just need to add that checks