Time Nick Message 00:52 cait hi #koha 00:53 bshum cait: I wasn't around long, but I already miss hanging out with everyone. 00:53 cait aaw 00:53 cait I will share that feeling too soon 00:53 cait it was nice to meet you :) 00:54 bshum I spent most of today explaining that when I say "library" I mean books not software. 00:54 bshum Well, just software. 00:54 bshum cait: Yes, it was very nice meeting you as well. :D 00:55 cait where are you right now? :) 00:55 bshum I'm on the Google bus leaving their campus and heading back to the hotel. 00:56 cait oh 00:57 cait :) 00:58 bshum Heh, yeah, it's fun, but not the same as hanging with library folks. 01:02 oleonard Hi #koha 01:02 cait hi oleonard :) 01:02 cait hm need a name for the wiki page where i am going to put the table with the feedback from the librarian 01:02 cait s 01:02 cait Kohacon13/? 01:03 oleonard Wishlist? 01:04 cait :) 01:04 cait picked that :) 01:05 oleonard Anyone here who went on the boat trip? 01:06 oleonard I'm curious how it was 01:10 rambutan wonder if rangi will post some bullet points from his "change the oil" presentation. I had to leave exactly at that point. 01:12 oleonard I'm sure he could rambutan 01:13 oleonard Safely home now? 01:14 rambutan yea, but not without class 10 annoyance. Flight from RNO - DEN was delayed about 4 hours, missed connecting flight 01:14 rambutan ended up getting into KCI at about 0100 01:14 oleonard Yuck 01:14 rambutan BTW, was good to meet you in person! Cait too! Everybody else too! 01:15 oleonard Yes, likewise 01:15 cait rambutan: sorry for the delayed flight, nice to meet you too 01:15 cait i am filling up a wiki page now with all the comments for tomorrow 01:15 cait oleonard: some are for you it looks like :) 01:16 oleonard Good :) 01:16 oleonard cait would you like help? 01:16 rambutan I liked Paul's/Brendan presentaton 01:16 rambutan oops... 01:16 cait filling the page or fixing all that? :) 01:16 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=KohaCon13/Hackfest/Wishlist&action=edit 01:16 cait hm without the edit probably 01:16 oleonard Filling the page 01:16 rambutan on signoffs. Had no idea it would be so easy with the sandboxes. I should be able to figure it out now 01:18 gmcharlt howdy 01:18 wahanui hello, gmcharlt 01:18 rambutan gmcharlt! 01:18 wahanui rumour has it gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology 01:18 oleonard How was the boat ride gmcharlt? 01:18 cait1 oleonard: it's ok, it's not too much 01:18 cait1 i just thought i might get started on it 01:18 gmcharlt oleonard: nice scenery; took a while to get our lunch, though 01:19 cait1 but if you already want to take a look and comment or look for related bugs that would be nice 01:19 cait1 gmcharlt: we had lunch in a basement, because there was beer 01:19 gmcharlt cait1: do you want me to stick the stuff transcribed from the roundtables on that wiki page or a different one? 01:19 cait1 ;) 01:19 gmcharlt cait1++ 01:19 cait1 gmcharlt: whatever you prefer :) 01:25 cait1 hm might have killed my browser... 01:25 cait1 should save more often. 01:34 cait1 first page done 01:34 cait1 some of them are not very detailed 01:34 cait1 not sure i understand all 01:35 oleonard Too bad nengard won't be with us to help translate 01:39 gmcharlt cait1: I'm making a separate page for the transcriptions 01:40 gmcharlt I should be done in about half an hour (then I will want dinner) :) 01:40 cait1 ok 01:40 cait1 :) 01:40 cait1 we meet at 7 01:40 cait1 i am almost done 01:40 cait1 5-6 more 01:40 cait1 someone asking for more structured inventory workflow 01:40 gmcharlt ok, we'll be down at 7 01:40 BobB hi cait, another group is meeting at 7:30 01:40 cait1 without runing reports and batch editing items - wondering why not using the inventory tool? 01:41 cait1 aah 01:41 cait1 overlap :) 01:41 BobB so anyone in Reno, go to bottom of lifts at 7 or 7.30 to join a group for dinner 01:41 BobB :) 01:41 gmcharlt anybody not in Reno, start running in that direction NOW! 01:41 cait1 now? 01:41 wahanui now is, like, good time with holidays coming up 01:41 cait1 but i have to finish this! 01:42 gmcharlt cait1: you're in Reno, you don't need to run :) 01:46 cait1 gmcharlt++ for helping with the transcriptions 01:46 cait1 you got the reail hard part 01:46 cait1 I am done with mine for now :) 01:46 gmcharlt cait1++ 01:47 cait1 @karma cait1 01:47 huginn cait1: Karma for "cait1" has been increased 6 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 5. 01:47 cait1 heh :) 01:50 cait1 ok, on my way downstairs now :) 01:55 * oleonard too 04:22 gmcharlt @quote random 04:22 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #106: "<jwagner> Bah, humbug" (added by druthb at 01:31 PM, November 29, 2010) 05:41 * cait waves 07:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #353 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 07:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #353: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/353/ 07:56 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10712: Save missing config variables to install log 07:56 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10362: ensure that all messages and alerts are shown upon checkin 07:56 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 10664: fix error in overdue_notices.pl if there is no active currency 07:56 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10664 [QA Followup] - fix error in overdue_notices.pl if there is no active currency 07:56 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10483: fix item uniqueness check on order form 07:56 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10715 - MARC21 007 Plugin Editor doesn't load position 01 07:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10712 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Some values not saved in koha install log 07:56 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10703: Add db documentation for biblioimages table 07:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10362 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , on return with reserve or transfer the alerts are not shown 07:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10664 normal, P4, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , Software error in overdue_notices.pl if there is no active currency 07:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10483 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , check_uniqueness.pl does not work 07:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10715 trivial, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , MARC21 007 Plugin Editor doesn't load position 01 07:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10703 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , add/update database documentation 07:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #354 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #354: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/354/ 08:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10481: FIX No enrollment fee when changing patron category. 08:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10481: Unit tests for C4::Members::AddEnrolmentFeeIfNeeded 08:39 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10481: (follow-up) fix typo in POD 08:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10481 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , No enrollment fee when changing patron category 14:14 saa i am struggling hard to get koha going but my opac search is not working i tried putting query since yday but yet did not get any answer 14:15 saa is there anyone who can help to check what is going wrong while i am installing koha on either lubuntu or ubuntu 64 bit version 14:15 saa i can paste then intranet and opac log 14:51 paul_p good morning #koha ! breakfast somewhere planned ? 14:51 jcamins paul_p: meeting at the elevators at 8. 14:51 paul_p ok, 9 mn then ;-) 15:09 * oleonard clutches this wifi signal and hisses at anyone who comes near 16:19 oleonard Hi hackfesters! 16:20 oleonard Anyone here for the hackfest who isn't physically at the hackfest? 16:36 bag morning 16:36 wahanui morning is probably a state of cat 16:41 msaby hello #koha 16:41 gmcharlt hi msaby 16:41 jcamins Hi msaby. We're just going around the room introducing ourselves. 16:41 jcamins I haven't been taking notes, so I'm not sure who we are. 16:41 msaby not hackfesting, but curious ;-) 16:42 druthb wahanui: botsnack cookie 16:42 wahanui :) 16:43 gmcharlt jcamins: amorphous patch-writing-testing-hacker-blobs? ;) 16:43 jcamins gmcharlt: yep. 16:43 msaby but for the record : Mathieu Saby from France, librarian 16:48 jcamins msaby: Galen just introduced you verbally. 16:51 msaby jcamins: I am flattered ;-) 16:53 * magnuse waves 16:54 magnuse (but is not really here) 16:54 talljoy hi magnuse! 16:54 magnuse howdy talljoy 16:55 oleonard Hi magnuse, I want to ask you about your comment on Bug 11057 16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11057 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Bootstrap theme: Don't hide language chooser below the fold 16:55 magnuse shoot! 16:55 oleonard The language-chooser has always been hidden below the fold. 16:55 oleonard Or do I misunderstand? 16:56 magnuse take a look at http://demo.bibkat.no/ 16:56 magnuse there it sits at the bottom of the content 16:56 magnuse if you have lots of content on the front page it will be pushed below the fold 16:56 magnuse but then it feels more natural to look for it at the bottom 16:57 jcamins magnuse: it's always been like that, hasn't it? 16:57 magnuse in the bootstrap theme it seems to be hidden on purpose, pushed down below the fold even if there is very little content 16:57 oleonard Okay, I just wanted to make sure I understood your comment 16:57 magnuse jcamins: yeah, i think it has looked like it does on demo.bibkat.no for a long time 16:59 oleonard Actually someone suggested--sorry, now I can't remember--putting it in the user menu at the top somehow 17:00 jcamins oleonard: I am in favor of that. 17:00 jcamins I think that might have been me. 17:04 * magnuse is not opposed to moving it 17:04 * magnuse wanders off roast some pumpkin seeds - enjoy the hackfest folks! 17:08 oleonard I might fix the simpler aspect of that bug first and then try the more drastic solution 17:08 jcamins Makes sense. 17:09 gmcharlt +1 to moving to top 17:14 rambutan #koha needs -> http://www.reuters.com/video/2099/01/01/reuters-tv-video?videoId=274185382 + http://berglondon.com/projects/availabot/ 17:15 rambutan would be a real hoot to watch all the players standing up and falling down 17:18 tcohen hi "koha! 17:35 tcohen @later tell mtompset: i think we should leave the instructions for now as they where before 17:35 tcohen @later tell mtompset i think we should leave the instructions for now as they where before 17:35 tcohen @later tell mtompset creating an updated package for the lib is the only way, otherwise we are just confusing the stable branch users 17:35 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:35 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:35 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:40 oleonard Just realized git-bz isn't working on this laptop :( 17:41 oleonard NameError: global name 'host' is not defined 17:41 wahanui i already had it that way, oleonard. 17:41 * cait points oleonard to the cookies 17:41 cait have you set up all the git bz parameters from the wiki? 17:41 oleonard Anyone familiar with that error? 17:41 cait have you checked out the fishsoup branch? 17:41 * oleonard thought he had done both 17:42 oleonard git-bz? 17:42 wahanui i guess git-bz is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 17:42 cait oleonard: can you poke the guy next t you and tell him to log onto IRC? 17:42 rangi cait: can you see http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ 17:42 cait yep can see :) 17:43 cait trying to work through my qa mail quickly right now 17:43 Ashimema Yo channel... 17:43 rangi cool 17:43 cait then going to work on 10493 17:43 cait yo Ashimema 17:43 oleonard rangi was sure to sign off on 6 bugs before starting the scoreboard? :) 17:43 rangi heh 17:43 magnuse rangi++ 17:43 rangi just testing 17:43 Ashimema My ears were burning.. then owen told me why 17:43 cait :) 17:44 magnuse rangi: looks good from here :-) 17:44 cait Ashimema: pm :) 17:46 oleonard Thanks cait, I guess I hadn't done one of the config things 17:46 cait glad you figured it out :) 17:48 rangi ok scoreboard up to date 17:48 oleonard druthb++ 17:49 cait rangi++ 17:49 cait can we put the link on the hackfest page maybe? 17:49 druthb oleonard++ #Did it actually work? 17:49 oleonard Rebuilding my ar-Arab template now 17:49 rangi if by we do you mean anyone except me, then yes we can 17:50 druthb Then we can annoy cait to QA it. 17:51 cait i did it :) 17:51 magnuse druthb++ first kitten saved! 17:51 cait woohoo 17:51 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Hackfest#Fix_all_the_bugs.21 17:52 drojf kittens \o/ 17:52 cait at the bottom 17:52 cait hey drojf 17:52 cait joining us? :) 17:52 drojf hi cait 17:52 drojf no, sorry. have to read :( 17:52 drojf would love to 17:52 jcamins drojf: you should read patches! 17:53 drojf i can't hand them in as a thesis though :/ 17:53 drojf how is kohacon so far? 17:53 jcamins drojf: oh, fine. 17:53 druthb WOOO HOOO! 17:55 drojf yay! 17:55 druthb drojf! 17:56 drojf druthb! :) 17:58 oleonard druthb: I think you need to make a case for why the direction style should be hard-coded in the template rather than added to the right-to-left CSS file 17:58 oleonard I'm not sure there would be a reason to override it in custom CSS, but one can't do that as easily if it's in the HTML 18:01 druthb Hrm. Should I try again, doing it on the id? 18:02 dpk Sorry we had to run as soon as the bus got back but let me say that Elaine and I had a great time, learned a lot, and made a bunch of new friends. Hopefully we will be seeing more of us here, on the list, and perhaps for some of the Seattle crowd, in person. 18:03 druthb oleonard: The case was, I was lazy and did it that way. Since the div has an ID, i could just as easily do it in the css. 18:04 oleonard In that case I will ask for more 18:04 drojf oh jcamins, i came across a zebra question. we have an index that is supposed to be for marc21 260$a, but it also indexes all other subfields besides $b and $c (i think, maybe slightly different). can i remove the general "melm 260" and leave "melm 260$a bla", "melm 260$b bleh", "melm 260$c something", or is the generic 260 (all fields) needed? 18:04 jcamins drojf: nooooo. 18:04 jcamins drojf: yeah, you can do that. 18:04 drojf yay! 18:05 drojf see, it was not bad at all ;) 18:05 bag BobB++ 18:05 bag going a great job down there :) 18:06 BobB :) 18:06 druthb oleonard: Should i do it in global.css, or in right-to-left.css, since the diff is *only* needed in rtl? 18:06 msaby drojf: I made some patches for Zebra relying on the same idea 18:07 msaby for example to index only some subfields in subjects 18:07 msaby it works ;-) 18:07 oleonard druthb: right-to-left.css I would say 18:08 druthb okie. 18:08 drojf msaby: good to know. i wasn't sure as it seemed there was a generic one for each field. maybe someone else was not sure about it when the file was created. ;) 18:10 msaby drojf: I see 260 in MARC21 is like 210 in UNIMARC. For that field we index separately each subfield I think (place of publication / publisher name / date) 18:11 msaby drojf: By the way, I've never seen a reader searching by place of publication... 18:13 drojf yes, that is what my librarian wants. it would not matter in theory, users don't know it and should only enter a place name. but if they accidentally enter a date, because they choose the wrong search type from the list, they will end up with something in subfield g (i think) which would be confusing 18:14 msaby drojf: Is the date in 260 indexed as well as the date in coded field? don't remember that. In unimarc we index only the date in 210, but I'm considering using coded field instead. maybe both sould be indexed... 18:15 drojf the date index is 260 and a coded field somewhere else, i think 18:16 jcamins 008 18:16 dcook 264 as well 18:16 jcamins True. 18:17 * dcook says without looking at the conversation as well 18:17 dcook as well = at all 18:17 drojf heh 18:17 jcamins Because nothing says "huge improvement in standard" like "new number." 18:17 drojf :D 18:17 talljoy :-/ 18:23 druthb oleonard: help, help, a kitten is about to die! 18:25 druthb CSS Gawd or Gawdess needed! 18:26 talljoy meow 18:31 msaby What! there's a note column in both biblio and biblioitems? 18:32 jcamins msaby: yeah, we're not sure why. 18:32 rangi before MARC broke koha 18:33 rangi you could have biblio level notes, then manifestation level notes 18:33 msaby jcamins: I'm writing UT for some Acq sub, and fighting with "note", in aqorders and biblio. But I did not think it was too in biblioitems 18:34 * druthb blames talljoy 18:34 cait dpk: sorry to have missed saying goodbye to you - was nice to meet the two of you :) 18:34 msaby ok, don't you think it would be a good thing to clean all old unused fields in database? 18:34 talljoy druthb grrrrrr 18:34 talljoy msaby yes please!!!! 18:35 msaby talljoy: hem not this evening 18:35 rangi only when you have it fully unit tested and can guarantee you wont break anything for any of the 4000+ koha users 18:35 rangi because ive had 14 years of that, and im utterly sick of it 18:36 * cait points rangi to jared's cookies and the german chocolates 18:36 msaby rangi: I began to wrote some bugs about it (like Bug 11010), but I was said some useless column was to be used some day by some dev... 18:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11010 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Useless column purchaseordernumber in aqorders table 18:36 cait msaby: the hard bit is making sure noone has used the field 18:36 cait and has data in there 18:37 druthb cait++ 18:37 talljoy cait++ 18:38 msaby cait:is a grep in all perl files suffcient for that? or you would do other tests? 18:38 cait grepping the perl files would not really help you there 18:38 cait because it's the mapping done in configuration 18:38 cait but also grepping that the field is not used hardcoded somewhere is needed of course 18:39 msaby cait:so if I understant, if these fields are not harmful, better not touching it... 18:40 cait i think there are other kittens to save... :) 18:41 druthb saving-kittens++ 18:46 druthb @seen oak 18:46 huginn druthb: oak was last seen in #koha 6 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Oak> in that case i'll let you do your thing :) 18:46 druthb @seen Brooke 18:46 huginn druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <Brooke> hey cait :D 18:46 druthb @later tell Brooke now you can't say no one ever talks to you when you log in. 18:46 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded. 18:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10969: Fix sample itemtypes for translated installers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9d45e4f6a39d716f3282cd0468d84296cfc4a90> 19:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #163 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #1458 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1451 2 days 19 hr ago) 19:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9739: (follow-up) improve help text a bit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbc0a847200edcacc81b010bc37bba6df712d5a6> / Bug 9739: (follow-up) add missing comma <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc795c75d9e43026c112364d3ebb08f86d73ab54> / Bug 9739: (follow-up) cosmetic changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed38698247d79b7bfb8 19:47 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #163: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/163/ 19:47 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10969: Fix sample itemtypes for translated installers 19:47 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9739: more options for serialsUpdate.pl 19:47 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9739: (follow-up) cosmetic changes 19:47 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9739: (follow-up) add missing comma 19:47 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 9739: (follow-up) improve help text a bit 19:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10969 blocker, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Fix sample itemtypes for translated installers 19:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9739 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , more options for serialsUpdate.pl 20:11 druthb oleonard++ #Thanx for the testing and signoff. 20:41 tcohen hi magnuse 20:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1458: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1458/ 20:54 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10969: Fix sample itemtypes for translated installers 20:54 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9739: more options for serialsUpdate.pl 20:54 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9739: (follow-up) cosmetic changes 20:54 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9739: (follow-up) add missing comma 20:54 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 9739: (follow-up) improve help text a bit 20:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10969 blocker, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Fix sample itemtypes for translated installers 20:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9739 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , more options for serialsUpdate.pl 20:57 druthb [off] I brought a big bag of my small woodworkings with me, and am giving some nice discounts. But if you're not here, give it a few days, then check at http://transformedwoodworks.com, and use coupon code KOHACON13 for a 20% discount. 21:02 * magnuse cheers the hackfesters on, then falls asleep 21:07 cait [off] druthb: nice :) 21:07 cait druthb++ 21:35 rambutan are those handcrafted by D Ruth Bavousett? 21:36 eythian hi 21:36 rambutan hi eythian 21:41 rambutan druthb: you should make duck calls. http://x2t.com/5/duck http://x2t.com/6/duck http://x2t.com/7/duck 21:42 rambutan you know duck calls sell for $75 - $250 or so? 21:42 druthb yep. I've thought about 'em, but not sure how good a market I'll find. 21:42 druthb rambutan: and yea, all my stuff is handcrafted by me. 21:43 rambutan amazing talent. I assume you have some type of small lathe? 21:50 cait hi eythian 21:51 eythian hello cait 21:51 wahanui hello cait are you here? 21:51 cait your patch just getting qa'd from bag 21:51 cait :) 21:52 eythian which patch is that? 21:52 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian. 21:53 cait the ldap one uli signed off on 21:55 eythian oh sweet 22:03 druthb wahanui: botsnack fruit skewer 22:03 wahanui thanks druthb :) 22:04 dcook marc history? 22:04 wahanui i heard marc history was http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html 22:04 dcook merci wahanui 22:12 bag cait? 22:12 wahanui cait: go to bed 22:12 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13/Hackfest/Wishlist 22:12 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13/Roundtable_Notes 22:14 eythian > Stop calling it the OPAC -- call it the catalog(ue) 22:14 eythian I agree with the spirit, but catalogue is ambiguous I feel. 22:16 dcook tcohen++ 22:16 dcook Tiken Jah Fakoly ftw 22:18 oleonard In fact "we" don't call it the OPAC anywhere *in* the OPAC, so it's not much of an issue for our public users 22:20 dcook That's true. I think OPAC is largely an internal word 22:21 dcook That said, I do wonder if catalog(ue) is the word that users use.. 22:21 * dcook seems to remember reading something that suggested that it was...but...*shrug* 22:21 dcook When using my public library, I suppose I usually say that I'm checking the library website 22:22 eythian I'll often use "public catalogue" 22:24 cait but isn't that again internal? 22:24 cait i mean staff will sayt hat 22:24 cait but patrons have no idea that there is a public and an internal one 22:25 eythian that's a good point. 22:26 BobB hi William 22:27 BobB hi denise 22:27 William HELLO bOB AND dENISE 22:28 BobB hey cait, William and Denise are using #koha for the first time 22:28 jdeca Hello 22:29 * jdeca slaps William around a bit with a large fishbot 22:29 * William falls to the floor 22:30 dcook Poor William 22:30 dcook yay for using #koha! 22:30 eythian wahanui: test 22:30 * wahanui does a testing dance 22:30 eythian hrm, computer just told me the network went down. It appears it was lying to me. 22:31 * cait waves to William, Denise 22:31 talljoy grumpy cat has made an official appearance on the scoreboard! 22:31 cait William: want to know what the weather is like outside? :) 22:31 talljoy rangi++ 22:31 Denise back at you, Cait 22:31 cait @wunder Reno, Nevada 22:31 eythian @wunder nzwn 22:31 huginn cait: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 20.7°C (3:30 PM PDT on October 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 22:31 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on October 21, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 22:32 William Welcome to the land of the Farenheiters 22:34 eythian sounds like some kind of German meat product. 22:42 gmcharlt @quote random 22:42 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!" (added by jwagner at 04:32 PM, August 19, 2010) 22:55 eythian https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/youtube-1 <-- rangi 22:59 rambutan This app is unavailable for your platform. 23:03 eythian it's for firefox OS. 23:04 rambutan ah, oh, not linux, ok 23:05 eythian not gnu/linux, anyway. Firefox OS is a linux-based distro. 23:07 rambutan yes, of course. just me expressing my minor annoyance. 23:17 dcook Any ideas on how to run updatedatabase.pl manually when using koha-gitify? 23:17 dcook I'm trying to set the PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF and then running it but @INC seems to still be missing the path specified in PERL5LIB... 23:17 eythian dcook: just use koha-rebuild-zebra 23:18 eythian oh 23:18 eythian I'm not paying the right amount of attention, that makes no sense as an answer. 23:18 dcook I need to use the updatedatabase.pl from my git :/ 23:18 dcook hehe 23:18 eythian it should work. 23:18 rangi koha-shell instancename 23:18 rangi then run it 23:19 rangi koha-shell will set the right environment 23:19 eythian you can actually do koha-shell -c 'command' instancename too. 23:19 eythian though, it might set up the environment to point to the packaged version. 23:19 eythian in fact, it will, so that might or might not work for you. 23:20 dcook In this case, it'll work just fine :) 23:20 dcook thanks eythian and rangi 23:21 dcook I'm still at a loss to why it wasn't working but...this works 23:21 dcook rangi++ 23:21 dcook eythian++ 23:21 rangi permissions 23:21 wahanui somebody said permissions was most likely the problem 23:22 eythian dcook: @INC definitely should reflect what you've put in PERL5LIB 23:23 dcook ahhh 23:23 dcook good one, rangi 23:23 cait rangi: which password does the koha-shell expect? 23:24 cait i can't seem to figure it out 23:24 eythian cait: use sudo 23:24 eythian it expects the password for the koha instance user, which probably isn't set. 23:24 cait oh 23:25 cait it looks better 23:25 cait should i worry about those? bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device 23:25 cait bash: no job control in this shell 23:25 eythian I think you have something a little weird, but it probably won't affect basic use. 23:27 dcook Yeah I get "bash: no job control in this shell" as well, cait 23:27 cait eythian: it's not always me... 23:28 dcook But it's never given me any problems 23:29 * dcook tries to remember how we're building other frameworks than default going forward.. 23:29 dcook frameworks? 23:29 wahanui frameworks are a big topic 23:29 dcook frameworks? 23:29 wahanui frameworks are a big topic