Time Nick Message 00:12 dcook Downside of touchscreens... 00:13 dcook Trying to input passwords that you only remember through muscle memory is a real pain... 00:18 wizzyrea oy. 00:19 wizzyrea the NSA isn't on furlough. 00:19 wizzyrea NSA is still operational. 00:19 wizzyrea They are considered "essential" 00:19 dcook The military is also still being paid 00:22 tweetbot_ [off] @KiwiLibrarian: "@ranginui Chris is there a scrolling new book display app we could use instead of our current static one for opac. Just thinking! #KohaILS" 00:28 tweetbot_ [off] @ranginui: "@ChristineBusby @KiwiLibrarian yep there is, at least one nz #KohaILS client is using it, wanna drop us an email?" 00:49 tweetbot_ [off] @ranginui: "@booksadventures did you know all (i think all) public libraries in the philippines run #KohaILS http://t.co/qmIO0GdXJZ" 01:13 banana Aaron O. - online? 02:05 tweetbot_ [off] @ranginui: "@booksadventures did you know all (i think all) public libraries in the philippines run #KohaILS http://t.co/qmIO0GdXJZ" 02:05 dcook ... 02:05 * dcook pokes Xchat 02:05 dcook Be good. 02:26 * eythian now wonders who Aaron O. is. 02:27 rangi hmm? 02:28 eythian <banana> Aaron O. - online? 02:28 rangi ahh :) 02:28 * wizzyrea wonders who banana is 02:29 jcamins rambutan 02:29 wizzyrea ah 02:32 tweetbot_ [off] @ranginui: "@booksadventures did you know all (i think all) public libraries in the philippines run #KohaILS http://t.co/qmIO0GdXJZ" 02:32 rangi hmm tweetbot is broken again 02:33 eythian nah, it's a glitch in the matrix 02:41 tcohen how can I administer some eye drops to my cat Florencio? 02:42 jcamins tcohen: sedative? 02:42 jcamins Chain mail? 02:42 dcook Two person team? 02:42 dcook One person wrap him in a towel and hold him close to their body 02:42 dcook Person two hold eye dropper and eyelids 02:43 wizzyrea put the cat in a pillowcase 02:43 wizzyrea head out 02:43 wizzyrea or 02:43 wizzyrea use the binder clip trick 02:43 dcook Binder clip trick? That sounds horrible 02:43 jcamins Oh, yeah, the binder clip trick is a good one. 02:43 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t1XPYVbsSo 02:45 tcohen i guess the two person team should work 02:45 dcook That is horrifying...yet intriguing... 02:45 wizzyrea lol. 02:46 tcohen florencio doesn't surrender to the clip trick 02:46 tcohen (not always) 02:46 wizzyrea mom cats carry their babies like that, kitties know to go limp when pinched in that way 02:46 wizzyrea florencio is a good name for a cat 02:47 dcook Admittedly, I haven't had to use eye droppers, but we usually wrap Starbuck in a towel to incapacitate his limbs, then that person holding the towel holds him close and the other person gives him meds 02:47 wizzyrea I think, if it worked well on your cat, the amount of time that the clip is on probably is less irritating for the cat than the procedure being administered. 02:47 dcook Hmm, good point, wizzyrea 02:47 dcook Starbuck is a little stress ball... 02:48 wizzyrea I had a cat with poor rear end hygiene, to wash her rear we had to put the front end in a pillowcase 02:48 wizzyrea so she couldn't see the water. 02:48 wizzyrea and that seemed to go fine. 02:48 wizzyrea since you need front end access though, that wouldn't work for you 02:49 tcohen i've just read that some people suggest to do it from behind, gently moving his head up 02:51 dcook Mmm 02:51 dcook We used something similar when giving pills 02:52 dcook Plus the towel for good measure :p 02:52 dcook Did the vet give you any tips? 02:53 tcohen they told us to use a towel 02:53 tweetbot_ [off] @ranginui: "@booksadventures did you know all (i think all) public libraries in the philippines run #KohaILS http://t.co/qmIO0GdXJZ" 02:53 rangi someone tweet something else 02:53 rangi im bored of that highlighting all the time 02:58 wizzyrea lol. 03:02 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "Today I've been working on making #KohaILS more ssl friendly, as Amazon is now supplying cover art using https. Whee!" 03:02 wizzyrea there you go. 03:02 dcook ! 03:02 dcook That's awesome! 03:02 dcook wizzyrea++ 03:02 * dcook would be keen to hear more about that 03:03 wizzyrea bug 10944 >.> needs signoff even! 03:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10944 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Mixed content warnings in opac results and detail with Amazon images on https 03:03 wizzyrea and that doesn't fix it in the user pages, I'm getting ready to do that work now 03:04 dcook Hmm... 03:05 dcook How long ago did we start using "using_https"? 03:05 wizzyrea i think it is not in 3.8 03:05 wizzyrea 3.10 probably 03:05 dcook Tabarnac.. 03:06 dcook I imagine that one might be sandboxable though.. 03:06 wizzyrea if the sandboxen use https 03:06 dcook Right, that would make a difference 03:06 dcook Durr 03:07 dcook Ah, but you give good instructions 03:08 tweetbot_ [off] @dlegoff: "@wizzyrea dont you see a contradiction between using #KohaILS and Amazon ?" 03:09 dcook On that note, I should grab lunch 03:14 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "@dlegoff I should say "a libre solution that has the breadth of coverage that Amazon does" because #KohaILS does support openlibrary covers" 03:35 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "@dlegoff I should say "a libre solution that has the breadth of coverage that Amazon does" because #KohaILS does support openlibrary covers" 03:36 wizzyrea ping mtj 03:37 wizzyrea question for anyone really 03:38 wizzyrea is there a preference on ssl images, that we use using_https or simply replace standard content with https content where we can 03:38 wizzyrea afaik there is no harm in calling an https image in a page that isn't secured 03:38 wizzyrea and you'll avoid the mixed content warnings (and get the lock) if you *are* using ssl... 03:39 wizzyrea the fixes are easier if we don't have to check for using_https - I don't mind either way 03:49 dcook That's probably an eythian question 03:49 wizzyrea well I asked him :) 03:49 wizzyrea I wanted to know if there were generally opinions about this 03:50 dcook As far as I know, there's no reason not to use the images via SSL 03:50 dcook I think the speed might be diminished a little bit but probably not by much 03:51 wizzyrea speed is the only thing I could think of 03:52 wizzyrea ff23 greatly increases the amount of checking firefox does on such things 03:52 wizzyrea re: http images/things in https pages. 03:52 wizzyrea (of course people who are up to date are running 24 now) 03:53 wizzyrea i am honestly surprised that we don't see more complaints 03:53 eythian I'm not sure how many people routinely deploy https 03:54 wizzyrea maybe a lot of people just set the exceptions and/or live with a broken web 03:54 wizzyrea IE trains people to do that. 03:55 dcook Or don't use https 03:55 dcook IE...*shudders* 03:55 dcook Hmm, gnome3 doesn't look right on the laptop... 03:58 dcook Nowhere near as fancy as my desktop at home.. 03:59 wizzyrea video drivers? 03:59 * dcook thinks so 03:59 dcook It says it's the "fallback" experience 03:59 dcook Which is probably why it looks more like gnome2 04:00 dcook I had the same thing happen on the VM I have on this desktop at work 04:04 dcook Oh well. Maybe I'll play around when I'm bored at the airport. 04:04 dcook Hmm the Google snippet for git.koha-community.org says git.koha.org 04:05 dcook As the title 04:10 eythian how odd 04:11 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "@dlegoff I should say "a libre solution that has the breadth of coverage that Amazon does" because #KohaILS does support openlibrary covers" 04:11 rangi mtj: your bot is broked 04:12 dcook Only 24 minutes to fly from Vancouver to Victoria... 04:12 * dcook goes and actually has lunch this time 04:12 jcamins Didn't dcook say he was going to have lunch several hours ago, back when it was still a reasonable hour for me to go to bed? 04:13 eythian yeah 04:26 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "@dlegoff I should say "a libre solution that has the breadth of coverage that Amazon does" because #KohaILS does support openlibrary covers" 04:27 eythian @later tell mtj your twitterbot is bust 04:27 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 04:34 * Oak waves 04:53 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "@dlegoff I should say "a libre solution that has the breadth of coverage that Amazon does" because #KohaILS does support openlibrary covers" 04:59 * dcook hopes that jcamins is sleeping by now 05:00 dcook tweetbot_, I think you're a bit of a broken record, eh? 05:17 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "@dlegoff I should say "a libre solution that has the breadth of coverage that Amazon does" because #KohaILS does support openlibrary covers" 05:38 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "@dlegoff I should say "a libre solution that has the breadth of coverage that Amazon does" because #KohaILS does support openlibrary covers" 06:11 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "@dlegoff I should say "a libre solution that has the breadth of coverage that Amazon does" because #KohaILS does support openlibrary covers" 06:12 * dcook wonders if someone should just kick that bot... 06:15 * magnuse waves 06:16 dcook hey ya magnuse :) 06:16 * dcook didn't realize it was already that time of day ;) 06:17 dcook I ended up downloading Virtualbox and installing Wheezy on the laptop 06:17 dcook Just need to download git bz, gitify, install Koha, and I'll be all ready :D 06:22 magnuse hiya dcook 06:22 magnuse hehe 06:23 dcook I love that moment when you want to follow someone on Twitter and then you realize that you've actually been following them for ages :p 06:24 magnuse hehe, sounds familiar 06:27 * magnuse needs a new main pc 06:28 dcook Needs or wants? :p 06:29 magnuse needs! definitely 06:29 * dcook wants a fancy new monitor for his home pc...although he rarely uses it... 06:29 dcook Maybe another laptop to increase the number of computers in the house 06:29 magnuse i'm wasting too much time waiting for this one to figure things out 06:29 dcook [off] Not including phones and handheld devices, there are...at least 5 computers and 2 inhabitants (not including the cats) 06:30 dcook Time for a new computer! :D 06:30 dcook On a related note, are you going to Kohacon, magnuse? 06:30 dcook I noticed you're a sponsor but I couldn't remember if you were coming 06:30 magnuse no, i get to stay at home 06:30 magnuse but i have sposnsored a little, yes 06:31 magnuse so y'all gotta have fun on my behalf :-) 06:31 * dcook thinks Norway should host Kohacon15 *nod* *nod* 06:31 dcook I'll...do something on your behalf 06:31 dcook I was going to say have a beer, but you don't like beer, right? 06:32 magnuse ooh, you know me well :-) 06:32 magnuse maybe not 15, but 18 perhaps? 06:32 dcook I might have papers scattered on my desk but my brain is a fortress! 06:33 * dcook wonders what version of Koha will exist in 2018 06:33 dcook 5 years...it might have wings by then 06:33 * dcook wishes someone would've recorded people's predictions for the year 2000 06:33 magnuse hehe 06:35 magnuse it's weird how i'm always thinking "how could people ever use koha without this new feature?" 06:36 magnuse wow http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/windswept-trees-slope-point/ 06:36 magnuse nz++ 06:36 dcook hehe 06:36 dcook Yeah, sometimes I wish that all of our libraries were up on 3.12 06:39 reiveune hello 06:45 dcook salut reiveune 06:45 dcook magnuse: That's wild! 06:46 reiveune salut dcook kathryn magnuse :) 06:47 magnuse bonjour reiveune 06:47 rangi https://www.blippex.org/ 06:47 rangi interesting 06:47 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 06:47 magnuse hm, for some reason my fingers expect xchat to do tab-complete on the word bonjour... 06:47 dcook rangi: Is that the search engine that is getting a lot of press? 06:48 * dcook seems to remember reading something this morning.. 06:49 magnuse um interesting results for "koha" 06:50 rangi dcook: http://catalyst.net.nz/node/23581 06:51 rangi magnuse: it learns from what people with the plugin visits 06:51 dcook I was wondering how it was going to track dwell time 06:51 dcook rangi: What am I looking for on this page? 06:53 rangi if you did the postgres course 06:53 rangi you could follow it with 06:53 rangi https://kiwicon.org/ 06:55 dcook Sounds cool, but I'll still be in Vancouver 06:55 dcook Thanks for the links and the thought though :) 06:56 dcook 11 Nov will be flight hangover rather than Kiwicon hangover ;) 06:56 rangi no worries, ill send you the link when we do the january/feb ones 06:56 dcook Awesome. That would be great :) 06:57 dcook The wife and I have been talking about taking a trip over to Wellington 06:57 dcook Well, maybe NZ in general, but I have a special interest in Wellington, of course 06:59 * magnuse recommends nz of all his heart 07:01 dcook It's so close! 07:01 magnuse not for me, sadly 07:01 gaetan_B hello 07:01 magnuse hiya gaetan_B 07:02 dcook bonjour alex_a et gaetan_B 07:02 dcook You're much closer to Europe though, magnuse :p 07:03 magnuse yeah, that is true. marseille, for example ;-) 07:04 magnuse @wunder boo 07:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 02, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 07:04 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on October 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 07:05 dcook hehe, yep 07:05 dcook @wunder syd 07:05 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Bardwell Park, Sydney, New South Wales is 25.7°C (5:05 PM EST on October 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 07:05 dcook When does it usually snow in Bodo? 07:07 magnuse it can be quite unpredictable 07:07 magnuse last winter the snow came kind of early, maybe in november? 07:07 magnuse but the last winters before that there was almost no snow before xmas 07:08 magnuse so january, february, march are the most snowy months, i guess 07:09 dcook Really? 07:09 wahanui Really is off now 07:09 dcook Intriguing... 07:09 dcook That doesn't sound too bad at all 07:09 * dcook thinks it's snowy in Canada 13 months of the year 07:10 magnuse hehe 07:10 dcook @wunder reno, nevada 07:10 huginn dcook: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 12.4°C (12:00 AM PDT on October 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 07:10 magnuse we can have 6 months of snow, though 07:10 dcook Mmm, maybe it is more similar than I think 07:11 magnuse since we are on the coast, it's normal for the temperature to vary wildly from -10C to +10C through the winter 07:14 magnuse everythin you ever wanted to know about the weather statistics for Bodø, but was afraid to ask: http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Nordland/Bod%C3%B8/Bod%C3%B8/statistics.html 07:16 dcook hehe 07:19 * dcook wishes that Canadians understood metric better 07:19 dcook All I know is that those temperatures look pretty nice 07:19 magnuse yeah, not too bad 07:19 magnuse thanks to the gulf stream 07:23 samueld hi everybody 07:28 magnuse hiya samueld 07:37 kf good morning #koha 07:49 magnuse kia ora kf 07:51 tweetbot_ [off] @wizzyrea: "@dlegoff I should say "a libre solution that has the breadth of coverage that Amazon does" because #KohaILS does support openlibrary covers" 07:54 kf hi magnuse :) 08:01 dcook Yay rangi! 08:06 kf hi dcook 08:09 dcook hey kf :) 08:09 dcook Hmm, apparently I have 84 people from grad school on my FB... 08:10 * dcook swears he didn't talk to that many different people during that time 08:10 kf so why did you befriend them? 08:12 magnuse it's fun? 08:13 dcook Seemed like the thing to do at the time? 08:13 dcook Everyone else was doing it? :p 08:13 kf aha 08:13 kf I think I don't have to say more ;) 08:21 rangi hmm i cant think of anything worse 08:21 rangi how about instead of becoming the marc experts, we use the fact LOC is down, to move on 08:22 rangi (re list email) 08:23 kf hmwhich one? 08:24 rangi the main list 08:24 wahanui i heard the main list was at http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha 08:25 kf aah 08:25 kf well first you pretend to be the experts an dmean well, and then you kill it 08:25 rangi heh 08:25 kf i thought it worked like that? 08:27 dcook Yeah, there really isn't much to be gained by becoming marc experts 08:27 dcook Or rather... 08:27 dcook Nothing to be gained by becoming a marc authority 08:28 dcook Same thing, different silo 08:28 dcook As an aside, "promise them beer, and they will come". 08:29 rangi heh 08:29 * dcook tries to imagine a metadata schema that uses beer as an acronym 08:49 magnuse anyone attending the hackfest will be able to hear a bit about how to leave marc behind and emrace current technology 08:52 magnuse Bibliographic Encoding and Encryption for Re-use 08:55 dcook Nice, magnuse! 08:55 dcook I like it ;) 08:55 kf :) 09:24 rangi magnuse: so we gpg encrypt each record ? :) 09:24 mtj oops, sorry about the tweetbot going crazy before everyone 09:25 rangi magnuse: actually if we could come up with another e ... gpg signing would be pretty sweet 09:25 magnuse hehe 09:26 magnuse Exchange? 09:27 rangi hmm 09:28 rangi how about 09:29 rangi Borrowers Encoded and Encrypt Records 09:29 rangi Encrypted even 09:29 magnuse ooh, now we're talking 09:29 kf i'd like that 09:29 rangi where we store borrowers data encrypted with their gpg key so only they can see it 09:29 kf guess our data privacy person woudl too 09:29 kf hm ah right 09:30 kf not sure how that would work :) 09:33 rangi well it could just be as simple as we never send it to them without encrypting it first 09:33 rangi since drojf has already done that 09:33 rangi :) 09:34 kf right, sounds good... but ithink it still needs a sign off 09:34 rangi yep 09:35 rangi i was plannign to qa it, so would like someone else to sign off 09:35 rangi ive signed off too many that i now cant qa 09:35 magnuse rangi++ 09:36 kf rangi: makes sense, i know the problem 09:36 kf i think i woud like to discuss an idea for module maintainers again 09:36 kf thinking about sip and ldap especially 09:37 kf but for 3.16 09:37 kf or 4 09:38 kf hm maybe unimarc 09:39 rangi yeah 09:40 rangi right sleep time 09:40 kf night rangi 09:40 liw sleep well, rangi 09:43 dcook night rangi 09:43 * dcook should head off as well.. 09:44 magnuse maybe normarc? 09:48 Oak @later tell Brooke https://soundcloud.com/cityandcolour/city-and-colour-the-hurry-and 09:48 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 09:48 Oak @later tell cait https://soundcloud.com/cityandcolour/city-and-colour-the-hurry-and 09:48 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 09:49 Oak rangi++ 09:49 dcook City and Colour \o/ 09:49 dcook Dallas Green has the voice of an angel... 09:49 dcook hehe 09:49 dcook Ok, I should go too 09:49 dcook Night all 09:49 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 09:56 paxed Arggh. 09:56 paxed looks like accidentally uploaded the fr-FR translation file to pootle instead of fi-FI ... 10:00 paxed now how do i cancel all those suggested translations? i dodn't see any way other than manually going through all of them. which is just impossible. 10:03 kf let me take a look 10:04 kf hm 10:04 kf it looks like there are only 29 suggestions for 3.12? 10:05 kf paxed: not sure i see the problem, maybe write an email to the koha-translate mailing list 10:07 paxed i guess there wasn't more than that then, and i went through those and removed the french ones. 10:08 paxed also: this is my first time actually using pootle. and i'm not liking it... but at least it's better than the launchpad translation system. 10:09 kf i guess it's a question of available options 10:09 kf web based translation systems are not a huge market 10:10 kf and Pootle is still being developed and quite ok 10:17 paxed i'm a commandline guy. i hate most of web 2.0 stuff 10:33 kivilahtio__ I agree with paxed regarding the translation tools. Pootle is for non-technical people, but the way Koha deals with some translation strings is just beyond non-technical capabilities. Or can a non-technical translator really translate Koha without looking into code? 10:37 kf I think so 10:38 kivilahtio__ bug 7376 10:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7376 critical, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Failed QA , Transfer limits should be checked at check-in 10:38 kf lots of the translators are not programmers 10:38 kivilahtio__ is paul_p working in this? 10:38 kivilahtio__ knock knock paul_p 10:38 kf maybe tr ysending an email if you get no reaction here - not sure how much he is around right now 10:38 * paul_p awakes :D 10:38 kivilahtio__ paul_p: wow I thought you are travelling the world! 10:39 kivilahtio__ paul_p: commented that bug, I would like to extend the bug 10:39 paul_p kivilahtio__ nope, I was in Rome yesterday & monday, but now I'm back. 10:39 kivilahtio__ paul_p: just asking so I am not stepping your toes 10:39 paul_p yikes, this bug fall in a pit... 10:39 paul_p I'll assign it to joubu now 10:40 kivilahtio__ actually I have some urgent stuff with data migration as well, but just curious if this is moving forward? 10:41 kivilahtio__ paul_p: this bug is a tricky one for sure :) 10:42 paul_p kivilahtio__ nope, because I "lost" this bug (and don't have a minute to dedicate to it). So I assign it to jonathan, he'll have a look 10:42 paul_p kivilahtio__ yes, it's a tricky one. 10:58 * kf waves to JDatTeTakere 11:17 paxed kf: unlikely. for example, non-coders have no idea what "%%" in the translation string means. (or at least i saw a comment in the finnish translation about "missing two s from %%" ...) 11:35 * magnuse has never had to look at code to do translations 11:35 magnuse weird characters like %? just copy them over 11:39 paxed well, norwegian is a germanic language, ... 11:40 paxed need to change the word order in the sentence? don't see how a non-coder can do that without trial and error. 11:41 magnuse ah yes, that might be a headache 11:41 paxed also, agglutination. 11:44 kivilahtio__ I wonder how they did it Arabics? 11:44 kivilahtio__ ...with Arabics 11:46 jcamins I'm sure there are some strings that didn't translate well, but for well-chosen strings, you just have to translate "around" the %s. 11:46 JDatTeTakere Sorry kf...so busy working on my KohaCon13 paper that I didn't notice your wave. 11:50 kf JDatTeTakere: shouldn't you be sleeping? :) 11:51 kf JDatTeTakere: looking forward to meet you soon - we arrive on the same day . well almost, i will be there quite late 11:52 magnuse hey, i want to meet JDatTeTakere too! ;-) 11:53 Betimi Can I ask a question ? 11:54 paxed jcamins: if only it was translating "around" the %s - but i'm irritated how actual TT code gets inserted as %s, or even worse, as actual translatable text... 11:54 jcamins paxed: yeah, that's annoying, but I think not nearly as common as the %s's. 11:56 kf sometimes something slips 11:56 kf most likely bad constructs int he templates 11:56 kf feel free to send patches 11:56 kf I like the %s - they allow me to change the word order/grammar 11:56 Betimi Why I can't delete 2 records from catalog 11:56 Betimi even when I click them it doesnt open 11:56 Betimi it shows an error 11:56 kf your indexes are probably out of date 11:57 Betimi runtime error: file /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl line 76 element param xsltApplyXSLTTemplate: A potential infinite template recursion was detected. You can adjust xsltMaxDepth (--maxdepth) in order to raise the maximum number of nested template calls and variables/params (currently set to 250). 11:57 kf check if your rebuild_zebra is running regularly or try to reindex 11:57 kf oh 11:57 kf not sure about this error 11:57 kf you can try turning off the xslt view to get a look at those records 11:57 Betimi index is working because when I deleted other things from catalog they dont show more in search 11:57 kf which version are you using? 11:58 Betimi 3.12 11:59 paxed kf: again, you'd have to be a coder to know how the TT code works. 12:00 paxed (and having the placeholder comment as "%1$s: END" doesn't help at all, when the IF/whatever isn't included...) 12:00 Betimi kf: Can I remove them if I disable xslt 12:01 kf i think so, the display should work then 12:03 Betimi how I disable it ? 12:08 magnuse Betimi: search for "xslt" in the systempreferences 12:18 JDatTeTakere Sleeping? It's only 1.18am :-) 12:19 JDatTeTakere I'm looking forward to meeting KF and magnuse in equal amounts. No fighting over the newbie. 12:19 magnuse but i'm not going to reno... 12:19 jcamins magnuse: you're going to KohaCon?!? 12:19 jcamins Aww. 12:19 jcamins That's what I thought. 12:20 magnuse ok, i'll stop whining about it now 12:20 JDatTeTakere Oh...you'll have to come to NZ then magnuse 12:20 * jcamins is disappointed. 12:20 kf magnuse was in nz :) 12:21 JDatTeTakere When - for the KohaCon in Wellington? 12:21 magnuse yup 12:21 * kf met magnuse there for the first time :) 12:21 magnuse and i'd be very happy to go there again! 12:21 * kf too 12:21 magnuse that is true 12:21 magnuse almost 3 years ago now 12:21 magnuse wow 12:21 JDatTeTakere Come and visit Te Takere...we just had our vist birthday. 12:21 magnuse more or less on the day 3.2 was unleashed 12:22 JDatTeTakere First! Must need to be asleep. 12:22 * magnuse would love to see te takere 12:22 kf yeah, another kohacon in nz? :) 12:22 * magnuse even helped pay for it, a little bit ;-) 12:22 JDatTeTakere I'll bring photos might be able to do a show and tell for those who are interested. 12:22 magnuse kohacon_in_nz++ 12:22 JDatTeTakere Which bit did you help pay for Magnuse? ;-) 12:22 kf JDatTeTakere: that woudl be quite nice - we saw the library in levin and stand in front of one of the branches I think 12:24 JDatTeTakere What was the ground floor of the old Levin Library is now the Youth Space. Through a bright yellow door is the rest of Te Takere. It's massive and very, very beautiful. 12:24 JDatTeTakere Of course, I'm a little biased. 12:24 magnuse JDatTeTakere: probably about 1 litre of concrete somewhere :-) 12:25 JDatTeTakere That must make you almost a NZ landowner magnuse 12:26 magnuse hehe 12:26 JDatTeTakere My cats are misbehaving - I think they want me to go to bed. Fun talking to you guys. KF we should have breakfast on the 14th...or maybe lunch, depending on jetlag. 12:36 kf :) 12:39 blou C4 ? 12:39 wahanui C4 is a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)" 12:40 blou Koha ? 12:40 wahanui i heard Koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info 12:40 blou :) 12:40 kf wahanui botsnack cookie 12:40 wahanui :) 12:40 blou well, that helged 12:40 blou helped 12:40 * kf tries wishing very hard for oleonard 12:41 blou Holà #koha 12:41 kf oleonard? 12:41 wahanui it has been said that oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! 12:41 kf oleonard? 12:41 wahanui oleonard is probably not really here. He said so. He did! 12:41 kf oleonard? 12:41 wahanui oleonard is, like, still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 12:41 magnuse let's all wish really hard! 12:45 blou Anyone (beside wahanui) that could point me to some philosophical discussion/document regarding the difference between C4:: and Koha:: 12:45 jcamins koha namespace? 12:45 blou Might be a bit early for N-A koha# to discuss philosophy before coffee 12:45 jcamins blou: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Namespace_RFC and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Namespace_QA_Rules 12:45 blou thank you! 12:45 jcamins Hm. 12:46 jcamins That first one has almost no basis in reality. 12:46 jcamins coding guidelines? 12:46 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 12:49 blou Lot of direction toward Koha:: and the way to modify it, but no explanation on C4. I know it's the "original", but do we 12:49 blou 1) try to make it disappear 12:49 blou 2) leave it at peace 12:50 blou 3) it's ok to add stuff in it. 12:50 blou The Calendar "class" really started the confusion... :) 12:51 blou ... the questionning. 12:58 kf blou: where there is already a module, like Koha::Dates use that I woudl say 12:58 kf if you add a new module, do it in Koha 12:58 kf ideally 12:58 kf and else you can still add to C4 - what do you want to do? 12:58 kf (and that's how i understand it, but jared might disagree :) ) 13:01 jcamins Koha:: should be used whenever possible, but code going into Koha:: should not have any dependencies on code in C4:: (other than C4::Context, C4::Boolean, and C4::Debug). 13:08 tcohen morning #koha 13:08 banana morning tcohen 13:08 tcohen banana? 13:08 rambuten banana is my fallback nick at home 13:09 rambuten I'm logged on as rambutan at work, so I can't get that nick (I'm still at home eating cereal) 13:10 blou kf, jcamins: thanks! Exactly the info/direction I was looking for. 13:11 tcohen =D 13:23 blou Newbie, naive and uninformed question: No commit to the master in past 5 days. Any bug on my git, or some Dev freeze? 13:24 blou I _always_ suspect my environment, but this time I haven't touched anything, I'm sure of it! :) 13:25 jcamins The RM has been busy with other things. 13:25 blou ha! thanks jcamins! So that goes in the Newbie and uninformed categories then... :) 13:51 kivilahtio__ blou: Good thing you asked that question. It was verry helpful for me as well. 13:59 tcohen do we use variables within templates? 14:01 jcamins Sometimes. 14:10 tcohen jcamins: "used for/see from" entries shouldn't point to a search, right? 14:10 tcohen (plain text only) 14:13 jcamins That's correct. 14:16 tcohen when's this supposed to be used?: (Earlier heading) 14:22 jcamins I can never remember, but dbs has a mirror of the MARC format documentation. 14:23 jcamins http://stuff.coffeecode.net/www.loc.gov/marc/ 14:23 tcohen the template functions that show auth search results have a 14:23 tcohen UNLESS ( type=='seefrom' || type=='seealso' ) ... 14:24 tcohen add a span 14:24 tcohen with that sort of stuff 14:30 tcohen jcamins: i don't know what to search for in that site, i'm not used to authorities 14:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #125 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:30 jcamins tcohen: look at the documentation for $w on the 5xx fields. 14:31 tcohen jcamins++ # for teaching tcohen 14:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10965: fix breakage when loading sample itemtypes during install <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=090ba4902cbd04634caa5fd507a2672b0987d795> / Bug 10925: fix LDAP auth failing if DEBUG is enabled <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=561107bb5b348eaa14054e3470f39ff9cf080d22> 14:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10949: restore ability to successfully print hold slips <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=11606693ef6026093d55ea652db083e90ccc6ffe> 14:48 kf gmcharlt++ 14:48 * jcamins considers responding to the e-mail from Tom Hanstra and decides to let someone else. 14:52 * kf encourages jcamins to do it 14:52 * gmcharlt has saved jcamins from it 14:53 jcamins kf: it was never going to happen. 14:53 jcamins Because the enthusiasm I could muster was limited to "I use packages, and you should too." 14:55 tcohen yay, didn't know i could rearrange patch order during rebase / squash 14:55 tcohen rebase++ 14:56 gmcharlt http://tomayko.com/writings/the-thing-about-git (and grep for the comment about git rebase --interactive) 14:56 tcohen thanks gmcharlt for the pointer :-D 14:56 oleonard Hi #koha 14:57 tcohen kf 14:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10967: fix minor POD error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=520244503eaf42636e13cf8a44789c7cadd0445e> 15:05 kf Joubu++ 15:05 kf # qaing offline circ 15:06 oleonard qa++ 15:07 kf :) 15:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5645: improve converting simple search to Z39.50 search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f791dd4770e84a82e15823b055707b15b461d24b> 15:22 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #125: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/125/ 15:22 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 10925: fix LDAP auth failing if DEBUG is enabled 15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10925 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , LDAP Auth fails if DEBUG is enable 15:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #126 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:28 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10948: make reference labels translatable in OPAC auth results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd5aec76494a10b6c908924b3a421f7ce08224f1> 15:33 tcohen hmm, gonna need to rebase 10691 because of that one jcamins :-/ 15:33 jcamins bug 10691 15:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list 15:33 jcamins Heh. Sorry. 15:34 kf jcamins: i know how you can make tcohen feel better about it - sign off! :) 15:34 jcamins Hehe. 15:34 jcamins Not now- I need to leave in a few minutes. 15:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10806: make the staff benchmark script check authentication failure. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2c0fe0ca1c2ba720dbc02b533fa7b6b0f17e40b> 15:40 rambutan Tom Clancy died? 15:52 oleonard If you believe the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/books/tom-clancy-best-selling-novelist-of-military-thrillers-dies-at-66.html 15:55 rambutan http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/us/tom-clancy-obit/ 16:08 kivilahtio__ wow, you have gone in great depths just to prevent migrating the primary keys! 16:08 kivilahtio__ ....gone to great depths.... 16:09 kf I don't think that's koha specific... 16:10 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #126: SUCCESS in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/126/ 16:10 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10965: fix breakage when loading sample itemtypes during install 16:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10949: restore ability to successfully print hold slips 16:10 jenkins_koha * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 10967: fix minor POD error 16:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 5645: improve converting simple search to Z39.50 search 16:10 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10948: make reference labels translatable in OPAC auth results 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10965 major, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Sample itemtypes can't load on new install 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10949 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , hold request not retrieved when printing hold slip 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10967 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Master , POD ERROR in acqui/booksellers.pl 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 search from search results not parsing query correctly 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10948 normal, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Pushed to Master , Some strings in the authority result list turned out untranslatable 16:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #127 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:11 kivilahtio__ kf: Even when migrating patrons, my defined borrowernumber is ignored in C4::Members::AddMember and C4::SQLHelper::InsertInTable. I think it is deliberately left out, as there is code which deliberately removes it :) 16:11 kivilahtio__ kf: But I got it fixed no less. It is an interesting journey inside the legacy C4 modules 16:12 kivilahtio__ kf: But I just don't understand why primary keys shouldn't be migrated? 16:12 kivilahtio__ kf: nevermind that. It hopefully wont be an issue in the future 16:12 kf hm there are a lot of good presentations on migrating koha I think 16:12 oleonard kivilahtio__: Probably because one should let the database handle its own primary keys, since they are meant to be for "internal" use 16:13 kivilahtio__ kf: Migrating patrons and thei outstanding fines, circulations and reservations as well? 16:13 kf http://de.slideshare.net/druthb/zen-and-the-art-of-ils-migrationkudoscon-2011 16:13 kf this is one of them 16:13 kf well more abut the basics 16:13 kf but we have migrated all thos ewithout any primary keys :) 16:13 kivilahtio__ I understand if you only migrate biblios and items inside the biblio record 16:13 kivilahtio__ kf: then maybe I am doing something horribly wrong 16:14 kf not sure if it's wrong, we are of different opinion there 16:14 kf we let koha handle it's own numbers, and prepare the data in a way that we can load it - it's a different approach 16:15 kivilahtio__ kf: ah using barcodes 16:15 kivilahtio__ kf: that is a pretty good idea. 16:16 kivilahtio__ kf: I'll try doing that in my next phase. We had huge issues in calculating our barcodes from our legacy system, so maybe thats why I havent thought about that at all 16:16 kivilahtio__ but that was one great diashow 16:17 kf thre are more, pretty much evey kohavon the last 3 years i think 16:18 kivilahtio__ how about field 001 duplication? if our legacy system has analytic records linked in field 001 -> 773w, then field 001 has value of 4054. At some point new biblios try to share the old 001? 16:19 kivilahtio__ kf: so say we migrate 4050 biblios, when our librarian adds the 4054th biblio to the catalog, where does the field 001-number come from? 16:21 kf you could set it to the biblionumber, there is a patch for doing that 16:21 kf currently koha doesn't generate one 16:21 kf have to run! :) 16:39 drojf good evening #koha 16:50 reiveune bye 16:52 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #127: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/127/ 16:52 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 10806: make the staff benchmark script check authentication failure. 16:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The staff benchmark script does not check authentication failure 17:17 gaetan_B bye ! 17:33 tcohen does this look better than default? http://snag.gy/FNBq5.jpg 17:33 cait hi tcohen 17:33 cait how is the before? 17:34 tcohen "see also:" and "see from:" labels on each occurence 17:34 cait yes, this looks better :) 18:00 tcohen how about this one cait1? http://snag.gy/kQkYC.jpg 18:00 cait1 italic? nice :) 18:03 tcohen should it be capitalized? 18:09 cait1 not sure 18:39 tcohen bgkriegel, cait1: http://snag.gy/MhwLZ.jpg 18:40 bgkriegel super cool! 18:41 cait1 looks nice to me:) 18:51 cait1 :) 18:54 tcohen i'm definitely not good at describing library stuff in english (neither in spanish of course) 18:55 tcohen but i filled it at bug 10987 18:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10987 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Too many 'see also' and 'usedfor/see from' labels occurences 18:59 oleonard Re: Bug 10986, I wonder if one could periodically extract language information from all existing biblio records and build the limiters that way 18:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10986 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, ASSIGNED , Limit the list of languages in advanced search through system preferences 19:03 tcohen bye #koha 19:27 * oleonard glares at rambutan 19:28 cait1 what did he do? 19:29 oleonard Cheering for RDA on the mailing list is a punishable offense! 19:30 * cait1 goes to look and agrees 19:30 wizzyrea erm 19:31 * cait1 wonders if rda toolkits are down too 19:34 rambutan ME? 19:34 wahanui i heard rambutan was not from NZ 19:34 oleonard Aren't they run by ALA? They're not the government, they're just a helpful group who charges libraries to read a specification that librarians didn't write and which librarians don't want. 19:34 rambutan magnuse suggested it (didn't he?) 19:34 cait1 rambutan: nope 19:35 cait1 oleonard: i don't care so much for the rules... but I strongly dislike it's not an open standard 19:35 rambutan Quote: "and embrace current technologies" 19:35 kathryn oopsoops! 19:35 kathryn ww topic change! 19:35 cait1 lol 19:35 kathryn morning everyone! 19:35 cait1 hi kathryn :) 19:35 kathryn :D 19:35 wizzyrea RDA isn't a technology, it's a cataloguing standard 19:35 kathryn pizza for everybody! 19:36 cait1 trying to save rambutaN? 19:36 cait1 mmh pizza 19:36 cait1 thx wizzyrea 19:36 oleonard kathryn can make promises, but getting pizza to me while it's still hot is a tall order 19:37 wizzyrea also, RDA isn't the technology (even if it were a technology) that magnuse was referring to 19:37 wizzyrea he's talking about the semantic web and linked data and a host of other things 19:37 wizzyrea that are actually new technologies. 19:37 wizzyrea newer* 19:37 pizza cold pizza is still good if it has lots of sauce 19:37 kathryn yea, oleonard, well actually if I knew everyone's address and local suppliers...but that would be my day over! 19:38 wizzyrea and it's only just begun! 19:38 wizzyrea :) 19:49 kathryn :( 19:50 kathryn ah well rambutan, another day, there will be pizza 19:51 rambutan pizza and coffee 19:51 rambutan breakfast of champions 19:58 cait1 for me no coffee please, just the pizza 20:01 tcohen bgkriegel: http://www.sai.com.ar/bibliotecologia/boletin/O/bie103.htm 20:02 tcohen *hint: grep Koha 20:04 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 20:05 mtompset I have a question regarding plugin popup window behaviour. 20:06 mtompset If I use firefox with javascript disabled, the clicking the plugin icon does not popup a window. 20:06 tcohen seems reasonable 20:06 mtompset If I use IE with scripting disabled, the clicking the plugin icon DOES popup a window. 20:07 tcohen i'm pleased to see the Dude in kohadevreactions 20:07 tcohen http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/61661507548/a-once-trusted-company-goes-rogue-and-creates 20:07 mtompset Is there some setting I am missing in IE? 20:08 jcamins Well, at least the Unshelved people appreciate that their badges are absurd: http://www.unshelved.com/2013-10-2 20:08 oleonard IE doesn't respect your "scripting disabled" setting mtompset? 20:08 mtompset Perhaps I should restart it then try... 20:09 mtompset oh right... the whole tabs thing doesn't work if I restart. 20:10 magnuse pizza? 20:10 wahanui i guess pizza is in the oven. 20:10 magnuse yay! 20:10 mtompset Yep... stuck with the "Loading" message in IE, but firefox loads. 20:11 oleonard What are you trying to do mtompset? 20:11 mtompset Why are browser behaviours so vastly different?! 20:11 mtompset I'm trying to test bug 6874. 20:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC 20:11 mtompset with and without javascript enabled. 20:11 mtompset I did trigger Julian's non-javascript code, but you have to turn it off in the middle of the process. 20:12 mtompset Which seems kind of pointless. 20:12 mtompset You are either going to have it on all the time, or off all the time. 20:12 mtompset most people aren't crazy enough to turn it on and off randomly in the middle of processing something. 20:13 mtompset I can't seem to get Julian's non-javascript code to trigger under firefox. 20:15 mtompset It is reasonable to assume that plugins require javascript on, right? 20:16 oleonard The whole staff client requires JS 20:16 bgkriegel tocohen: good! 20:17 mtompset oleonard: it does? Firefox with javascript disabled is functional for a lot of it. 20:17 oleonard Good. But it is not guaranteed to work. 20:17 mtompset Oops... 20:17 mtompset oleonard: and not look ugly. :) 20:18 * pianohacker ponders making the new editor functional without JS and giggles slightly unstably 20:19 cait1 pianohacker: an accessible one would be reallynice 20:19 mtompset pianohacker: Any sorts of tabbing requires javascript or lots of page duplication. :P 20:20 mtompset well, not duplication, but a page for each tab selected. 20:22 pianohacker 20 lines of perl, ~1000 lines of JS? ehhhh 20:23 pianohacker no tabbing 20:23 pianohacker I will be _lynched_ if I add tabs to this 20:30 tcohen syntax highlighting pianohacker ? 20:36 pianohacker tcohen: yeah, though most of the non-marc infrastructure is provided by the library I'm using 20:36 jcamins pianohacker: non-marc sounds wonderful. 20:37 pianohacker heh, not what I meant, but I wish :) 20:37 pianohacker non-marc-specific would be more accurate 20:42 pianohacker cait1: you saw followup on bug 10486, right? 20:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC 20:42 cait1 it is not signed off 20:42 cait1 i saw it... but we are running out of time 20:43 cait1 hm i am probably not making much sense :) 20:44 pianohacker eh, bot liked it. Push that puppy! :) 20:45 rangi hehe the bot only checks it applies cleanly 20:47 wizzyrea i really appreciate the work rangi's done on that bot 20:47 cait1 yep it's a nice bot 20:47 wizzyrea so helpful to know if any given patch has actually recently applied 20:47 cait1 we should name it 20:47 wizzyrea rangi++ 20:48 jcamins cait1: "Dotty"? 20:48 cait1 jcamins: ? 20:48 tcohen is bot subject to bribery? 20:48 jcamins For a name. 20:48 cait1 oh 20:48 cait1 why dotty? 20:49 pianohacker Hmm. Who's petter? I think we're on the same flight from denver :) 20:49 jcamins 'Cause it's kind of like "Dobby" and kind of like "Bot." 20:49 wizzyrea dobby isn't a bad name actually 20:50 wizzyrea helpful house elf :) 20:50 rangi pianohacker: you should note that, he is from oslo public library 20:51 rangi they are doing some funky cool things 20:51 rangi pianohacker: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Hackfest#Ideas_for_presentations 20:52 pianohacker okay, cool. Hopefully we're actually on the same flight, and find each other 20:52 rangi *nod* 20:52 jcamins Look for someone from Norway. 20:52 wizzyrea rangi: what would be a good maori name that implies helpfulness/care? 20:52 rangi unlikely that there are 2 flights that land at the same time from denver 20:52 pianohacker hmmmm. Really wish I were staying for the hackfest... 20:52 rangi wizzyrea: manaaki 20:53 wizzyrea ^^ is what we should name our bot 20:53 rangi http://kupu.maori.nz/ShowKupu.aspx?kupu=224 20:53 wizzyrea thanks :D 20:54 wizzyrea pronounced how it looks? 20:54 rangi mah nah key 20:55 jcamins wizzyrea: my favorite response to that is "yes, if you pronounce things like they're Maori (or whatever language)." 20:58 wizzyrea that works for languages that use a latin alphabet I guess. 20:59 jcamins wizzyrea: I've heard people use that for other alphabets, too. 20:59 * gmcharlt will rename the bot in exchange for a chocolate fish 20:59 gmcharlt ;) 21:00 wizzyrea mostly that question implies "are there any oddities in the pronunciation that would be different from the language we are having this conversation in" 21:00 * wizzyrea gives gmcharlt a chocolate fish 21:00 * wizzyrea makes a note to send some with rangi for the hackfest 21:02 * talljoy makes a note to look for rangi to bum some chocolate fish from. 21:03 rangi wizzyrea: http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/sound/tereo/manaaki.mp3 21:05 wizzyrea :D 21:05 wizzyrea thanks :) 21:05 rangi oh and of course 21:06 rangi http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/sound/tereo/koha.mp3 21:06 rangi i expect you all to get it right at kohacon :) 21:06 wizzyrea be sure to get the emPHAsis on the right sylLAble 21:06 rangi after the south african corrected me on ubuntu on the eifl-foss webinar, i made a point of correcting him twice on koha 21:07 jcamins Heh. 21:07 rangi 2 can play that game buddy 21:07 wizzyrea oh what is the proper way 21:07 senator deb ee an 21:07 * senator resumes lurking 21:07 rangi heh 21:07 * wizzyrea giggles 21:08 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fJF5UIS_hE 21:08 rangi oo boon too 21:08 wizzyrea not uh bun too 21:08 rangi yeah 21:08 wizzyrea or oo bun too 21:09 * wizzyrea notes it 21:09 wizzyrea also, don't name your software after your girlfriend. 21:11 coffee anyone aware of any Koreans planning to attend KC13? 21:12 rangi nope 21:13 rangi ill make the bot run the tests, when i can get a nice way of doing that going, it wont be before kohacon though 21:13 eythian hi 21:14 rambutan hi eythian 21:19 rangi pianohacker: there is a free shuttle to the hotel, so you and petter should be able to catch the same one at least 21:19 pianohacker rangi: thanks, do you know if it runs that late? 21:19 rangi yup 21:19 pianohacker sweeeet 21:19 rangi every 30 mins apparently 21:20 cait1 yep 21:20 cait1 15 and 45 21:20 wahanui 60 21:20 pianohacker hahahaha 21:20 rangi http://www.atlantiscasino.com/resort/atlantis-airport-shuttle 21:21 pianohacker 3.14 and 2.718 21:21 wahanui 5.858 21:21 wizzyrea 1257 and 5953 21:21 wahanui 7210 21:21 rangi runs from 4.30am until 12.14am 21:21 * wizzyrea giggles 21:21 rangi 12.15 even 21:21 pianohacker rangi++ 21:21 rangi i guess you need to tip tho eh? 21:21 * rangi doesnt understand your funny customs :) 21:22 wizzyrea for that? I probably wouldn't 21:22 rangi i just walk round giving everyone money 21:22 rangi cos i have no idea what im doing 21:22 cait1 lol 21:22 cait1 we better keep an eye on you then 21:22 eythian qr code is <reply>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mUDPwdCzgvQ/UkwBlzmvmAI/AAAAAAAAeT8/Eqbkj3jQpGw/s210-no/JJ71iDv.gif 21:22 eythian wahanui: qr code is <reply>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mUDPwdCzgvQ/UkwBlzmvmAI/AAAAAAAAeT8/Eqbkj3jQpGw/s210-no/JJ71iDv.gif 21:22 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian. 21:22 wizzyrea restaurants, yes; bellhops, yes; drivers of hotel shuttles... probably not 21:23 rangi ah ok 21:23 rangi unless they are cool and play good music in their shuttle? 21:23 cait1 heh 21:23 rambutan depends on if they help you load luggage 21:23 cait1 oh good point 21:23 wizzyrea mmm yes, agreed on that point 21:24 wizzyrea help meaning "pick it up for you" not "open the trunk" 21:24 rangi ah ok 21:24 jcamins wizzyrea: you don't need to tip drivers? 21:24 wizzyrea and yea, if they're cool and play good music, nobody will probably turn down a tip 21:24 jcamins I mean, shuttle drivers. 21:24 * jcamins didn't know that. 21:24 wizzyrea I haven't ever observed this, but I'm from the uncultured midwest 21:24 rangi hehe 21:25 rangi too complicated!!! 21:25 rangi :) 21:25 jcamins I know nothing about tipping. 21:25 wizzyrea ^ 21:25 cait1 i guess different for cabs 21:25 cait1 then for free hotel shuttles? 21:25 wizzyrea I could ask my friend who drove an airport shuttle for a while 21:25 jcamins Yeah, you tip cabs. 21:25 wizzyrea do you?! 21:25 wizzyrea really?! 21:25 wahanui really is off now 21:25 rangi oh yeah you definitely do cabs 21:25 * wizzyrea is never going to new york ever. 21:26 wizzyrea well I've already been there 21:26 rangi i know that one 21:26 jcamins I never take taxis for that reason. 21:26 wizzyrea but I didn't (fortunately) take any cabs. 21:26 jcamins Well, that and that they're just generally expensive. 21:26 rangi i once caught one from teh bus station in toledo, to the hotel by the conference center 21:27 rangi it cost about as much as my flight from nz 21:27 rangi (i exaggerate slightly) 21:27 jcamins Heh. 21:27 wizzyrea well after the conversion you're probably close. 21:27 wizzyrea (I exaggerate slightly) 21:27 jcamins I was talking to someone the other day who took a cab from DC to New York. 21:27 wizzyrea oh my lord. 21:27 rangi wtf 21:27 jcamins I want to say the fair was... $700? 21:28 wizzyrea that seems less than I would have expected. That or it's closer than I think. 21:28 jcamins DC and New York are incredibly close. 21:28 jcamins Well... 21:28 jcamins maybe not "incredibly." 21:28 rangi yeah i rode the greyhound from nyc to washington dc 21:28 jcamins But I know people who commute. 21:28 rangi that was an experience 21:29 rangi http://web.archive.org/web/20021209042749/http://www.think-linux.net/confprogram.php <-- what i was doing in toledo 21:29 wizzyrea ooo 21:30 jcamins 11674*4 21:30 jcamins 11674 * 4 21:30 wahanui 46696 21:31 jcamins I wonder why wahanui requires spaces. 21:32 wizzyrea cait i've been meaning to ask you about your money on card report - it takes ages to run do you just cron/email that? 21:32 wizzyrea cait1 i guess ^^ 21:32 rambutan tan 30 21:32 rambutan tan(30 radians) 21:33 cait1 wizzyrea: money on card? 21:33 cait1 wizzyrea: help my memory? 21:33 wizzyrea yep sec 21:33 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Patrons_w.2F_Fines 21:34 cait1 hm 21:34 cait1 it's not slow on our small databases 21:35 cait1 i think it coudl be made faster maybe? 21:35 wizzyrea i suspect there are a gazillion accountlines entries in this particular database 21:35 wizzyrea no worries 21:35 cait1 sorry, not much help there i guess :( 21:35 wizzyrea is alright 21:38 jcamins wizzyrea: I think there are a couple other things that you tip for in New York but not in the rest of the country. 21:38 jcamins I can't remember what things, but I think there are some things. 21:39 wizzyrea it's rather optional to say, tip your hairdresser, they always give you the opportunity but it's not required. 21:39 eythian wizzyrea: check to make sure it's using indicies properly? 21:39 wizzyrea really, if you thought your haircut was really good and you're walking out feeling like a million bucks, then yea a tip is probably worthy. 21:39 wizzyrea hm 21:40 eythian wahanui: tips are weird. 21:40 wahanui OK, eythian. 22:01 mtj hey wizzyrea, did you get your question to me answered, from yesterday? 22:01 wizzyrea oh it was aobut the tweet bot 22:01 wizzyrea he seemed stuck 22:07 mtj ah yep, sorry about that :/ 22:07 wizzyrea :) is np 22:07 mtj i'll test him outta channel for a few days, before i bring him back online... 22:08 wizzyrea twas kind of a busy twitter day for #kohails yesterday 22:08 jcamins mtj: what is the goal of tweetbot, btw? I only ever notice it when it's spamming the channel. 22:09 jcamins I presume it's doing something during the NZ day, when I'm not around. 22:09 mtj it queries twitter every 5-ish mins, and posts #kohails tweets to this channel 22:10 jcamins Ah. 22:11 mtj its goal is to titilate and inform 22:12 mtj …but when my linode vm runs out of disk, it also drives people batshit :( 22:12 jcamins Heh. What else do you run on it? 22:13 eythian should put nagios checks on it :) 22:14 mtj yeah, i know know! 22:14 mtj i might fix it proper this time 22:15 jcamins Go for it! 22:18 mtj but pleease kick him quick, if he ever goes crazy again 22:19 wizzyrea ah ok 22:20 wizzyrea he'll not try to reconnect if kicked? 22:20 mtj sorry, i think i mean banned, not kicked 22:22 wizzyrea ah okies 22:22 edveal Does anyone know if Koha considers an item as "available" if it is available for pick to fill a hold and another patron wants to place it on hold, yet on shelf holds is off? Is that clear as mud? 22:23 rangi no idea, you'd have to test it to see :) 22:23 rangi id guess no 22:23 rangi because onshelf doesnt actually check its on the shelf 22:23 rangi it checks its not on loan 22:24 rangi and it wont be onloan if its just waiting 22:24 wizzyrea ^^ 22:24 wizzyrea waiting items are not on loan, and so show as availab.e 22:24 wizzyrea available* 22:24 wizzyrea onshelf holds would disallow further holds 22:24 wizzyrea (if it's off) 22:24 cait1 hm 22:25 edveal Thank you that was what I thought just wanted to verify. 22:25 wizzyrea it'll do that until it's checked out 22:25 wizzyrea a librarian can override that though, i think. 22:54 wizzyrea @later tell dcook https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/daughter-medicine-sound-remedyyy 22:54 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 23:46 dcook morning #koha 23:54 dcook morning for realz this time? 23:55 mtompset Nope... it was evening still. :O 23:55 mtompset Oops. :P 23:55 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 23:55 * dcook looks outside 23:56 dcook 'tis a bit gray 23:56 dcook hey ya