Time  Nick         Message
01:17 mtompset     papa: I rebased bug 10589.
01:17 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10589 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Override OpacHiddenItems based on Patron Category
02:00 mtj_         hi all - does anyone know why the 'Master_Packages' jenkins build stopped…?
02:01 mtj_         http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Master_Packages/
02:02 mtj_         just curious, is all :o)
02:30 mtompset     papa++ # thanks for the sign off again.
02:31 papa         no worries
02:31 mtompset     No idea, mtj_.
02:31 mtompset     I'm still working on what has turned into a three bug mess of mine.
02:31 mtompset     Care to look at 10872? :)
02:32 mtompset     That will at least deal with part of the mess. It's a one line change. :)
03:45 mtj_         mtompset, can your give me an example value for OpacHiddenItems ?
03:45 mtompset     homebranch: [DAV,MNL]
03:45 mtompset     Where DAV and MNL are valid branch codes.
03:45 mtompset     I'm still working on 10876 and 10584.
03:45 mtompset     10872 is testable though. :)
03:46 mtompset     homebranch is a field name in the items table. :)
03:49 mtj_         gotcha :)
03:50 mtompset     thanks. :)
03:51 mtj_         works for me, so i sign off :)
03:53 dcook        That moment when you spend the morning writing documentation...and you realize that you should've structured the document slightly differently..
03:53 dcook        But differently enough to make you think you might need to do a major restructure..
03:54 mtompset     welcome to the world of fixing the ubuntu installation instructions.
03:55 mtj_         !twadd kohails
03:56 mtj_         !twadd kohails
03:56 tweetbot_    OK, now watching for 'kohails'
04:05 mtompset     mtj_: Care to look at 10584 now? It depends on 10872.
04:09 dcook        Oh snap...I forgot about lunch again...
04:12 dcook        I wonder if I documented Java transforms more than XSLT transforms because they're more complicated and there's more to say...or I just want people to take the easier route...
04:12 * dcook      shrugs and goes to get thai food
04:13 mtompset     dcook: transforms... is there really an easy route?
04:42 mtompset     okay... I just tested something, how do I sign it off? It does what it says.
04:44 mtompset     @later tell tcohen I tested 10733's command line switches. Looks great! I'll test the koha-sites.conf part hopefully tomorrow.
04:44 huginn`      mtompset: The operation succeeded.
04:48 mtompset     Have a great day, #koha!
05:20 dcook        Got to love comments in Letters
05:20 dcook        "# This is just begging for subclassing"
05:30 cait         good morning #koha
05:31 dcook        morning/afternoon cait
05:31 dcook        Raining today?
05:31 cait         hi dcook
05:31 cait         isn't it beer o clock for oyu?
05:31 cait         not sure, it might
05:31 cait         but i am spending most of the day on a train anyway
05:35 dcook        Only 3:35pm here
05:35 dcook        I like this beer idea though...perhaps later
05:35 * dcook      can't remember the last time he had beer
05:36 dcook        That sounds worse than I meant it
05:36 dcook        I'm uncertain which date is the last one during which I consumed that beverage
05:36 dcook        cait: More training?
05:36 cait         distance study event
05:37 dcook        But not so distant?
05:43 cait         twice a year i have to go there to hear some presentations
05:43 cait         bad timing this year all over, the first one was on my birthday and now i actually should be working
05:44 dcook        :(
05:44 dcook        That's no fun
05:51 dcook        Anyone have tips about how to test overdue notices?
05:52 dcook        I'm checking out with a past due date and running overdue_notices.pl, but I'm getting nada..
05:53 dcook        Ah, it looks like the triggers weren't set
05:53 dcook        I thought the cronjob was saying they were set when it said there was a notice for overdues...
05:54 dcook        Huh...nope...still getting no results..
05:55 cait         are you running the job with -t?
05:55 dcook        Nopes
05:55 dcook        Should I?
05:55 cait         yes
05:55 cait         if you want to use triggers :)
05:55 dcook        :S
05:55 dcook        I thought one had to use them
05:56 cait         also note that for th delay the calendar is currently not taken into account
05:57 dcook        Hmm, maybe I'm missing circ rules..
05:57 cait         circ rules are irrelevant for overdues
05:59 dcook        Do staff get overdues?
05:59 dcook        It almost looks like they don't.
05:59 cait         yep you need to check the category is set to get overdue notices
05:59 cait         then you can configure the triggers
06:00 cait         and the trigger has to mac
06:00 cait         tch exactly
06:00 cait         so if your due date is yesterday, delay is 1
06:00 dcook        I think it might be the delay that's getting me as well
06:00 dcook        Good one, cait
06:00 * dcook      tries this again...
06:02 dcook        Hmm...it's still not looking for staff even with the option enabled it seems..
06:02 dcook        Or Prof...
06:03 cait         define the triggers for their library
06:03 cait         not for all libraries
06:04 dcook        Ah, I had forgotten about the triggers
06:04 dcook        Good ol' logic
06:04 dcook        \o/
06:04 dcook        You're the best cait
06:04 dcook        cait++
06:04 cait         hehe
06:04 cait         i have spent a lot of time figuring this out, believe me
06:04 dcook        I certainly do believe you :)
06:05 dcook        confetti?
06:05 wahanui      rumour has it confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
06:05 dcook        confetti?
06:05 wahanui      somebody said confetti was http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
06:05 dcook        Hmm
06:05 dcook        Well.
06:05 dcook        You're awesome, cait!
06:05 dcook        Thanks again ^_^
06:06 cait         np
06:35 reiveune     hello
06:35 wahanui      salut, reiveune
06:36 dcook        hey reiveune
06:36 wahanui      i heard reiveune was working for biblibre
06:40 alex_a       bonjour
06:44 samueld      bonjour
06:44 wahanui      what's up, samueld
06:45 samueld      hello wahanui
06:56 gaetan_B     hello
06:56 wahanui      que tal, gaetan_B
07:10 dcook        Time to call it a good night
07:10 dcook        bonne journée, les gens européens
07:23 christophe_c hello #koha
07:53 paul_p       'morning #koha
08:06 cait         hi #koha
08:08 cait1        ... on a train again
08:11 cait1        good morning Viktor
08:12 Viktor       Good morning <cait1>
08:12 Viktor       Or rather cait1 :)
08:14 cait1        yeah, internet connection is not as stable as I owuld like
08:26 cait         @wunder Konstnaz
08:26 huginn`      cait: Error: No such location could be found.
08:26 cait         @wunder Konstanz
08:26 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.4°C (10:25 AM CEST on September 13, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
08:26 cait         @wunder Dortmund
08:26 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Dortmund, Germany is 15.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on September 13, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
08:29 cait         hi Viktor again and bonjour laurence
08:34 cait         it's still QA sprint day until about noon in Europe!
08:35 laurence     hi cait
08:35 laurence     et all
08:45 kivilahtio   Ki ora #Koha! Does anyone have a working OAI-PMH data provider running on Koha?
08:46 kivilahtio   Could I run the http://validator.oaipmh.com/ on it to verify Koha compliance with OAI-PMH standard?
09:03 BobB         kivilahtio: dcook is working on OAI-PMH, he's usually in this channel business hours Sydney time.
09:03 cait         hi BobB
09:04 BobB         hi cait
09:07 kivilahtio   BobB: Thanks, but I got the validator working, so far. This is just crazy how much I am achieving with Koha!
09:07 kivilahtio   BobB: But I'll ask him if I encounter more issues than our lack on initial configurations
09:07 BobB         yeah, Koha is awesome
09:07 kivilahtio   BobB: so true
09:08 BobB         Are you in NZ?
09:08 kivilahtio   Finland
09:08 cait         kivilahtio: nice to hear that :)
09:08 BobB         oh, ok!
09:09 kivilahtio   we have been working on Evergreen for year and a half and personally I got so fed up with it I am trying to turn our project team around
09:09 cait         kivilahtio: i missed the beginning of your conversation because of unstable internet :(
09:09 cait         Joubu++ :)
09:09 cait         qa sprint still going :)
09:09 kivilahtio   w compared Koha and Evergreen some 18 months ago and now it looks like we made a wrong decisions. Tho I am not certain, we need to look into previous issues with Koha and find a solution to them
09:10 BobB         all software has issues :)
09:10 BobB         but Koha keeps getting better and better
09:10 cait         very true
09:10 cait         I think i18n will maybe be a bit better with Koha
09:10 wahanui      I know. That's why I said it.
09:10 kivilahtio   BobB: Yeah, Koha has as well. I think I managed to crash it when doing z39 imports and adding items.
09:11 cait         but that's about all i know :)
09:11 cait         when we looked at evergreen it was not possible to translate and had no serials/acq modules - that has changed since
09:11 kivilahtio   cait: well we spent 8 months just fixing the i18n issues in Evergreen. I think we are like 98% ready now, but we are still missing lots of functionality
09:11 BobB         Hmm, not a know issure, as far as I know
09:11 cait         kivilahtio: hm we never actually manged to crash it - if that helps - running for some years now
09:11 kivilahtio   cait: Acquisitions module went through a reform these past months, so it supposedly is ok now, but the serials module is a POS
09:11 cait         pos?
09:12 BobB         cait, he means it doesn't smell nice
09:12 BobB         :)
09:12 cait         oh.
09:12 Joubu        cait: yep, I do what I should have done yesterday :)
09:12 cait         abbreviations...
09:12 kivilahtio   cait: When we made the comparison we used mainly written manuals and didnt have time to do much real testing. Documentation in EG looked solid, but the software just didnt work as documented
09:12 cait         Joubu: it's still on until 12 if you look at the ending time :)
09:12 cait         the advantage of global timing :)
09:13 kivilahtio   and there is no way we can fix all the issues in Evergreen with out current velocity
09:13 cait         kivilahtio: our manuals are good - but sometimes it's hard to keep up or there are hidden options somewhere - maybe check with us if you can't find something
09:13 kivilahtio   cait: Already stumbled on those, but nothing serious so far
09:14 kivilahtio   cait: I find the Koha-community manuals to be excellent
09:14 kivilahtio   cait: And very n00b friendly
09:14 BobB         there's lots of stuff on the wiki too
09:14 cait         :) nengard++ - she will like to hear that
09:15 cait         yeah it's a bit scattered, but we got lots of documentation indeed
09:15 kivilahtio   BobB: yup, I already have a working SIP2, and localizations, and national  z39.50 target, and OAI-PMH
09:15 BobB         nengard ++
09:15 kivilahtio   well I heard she is the only one who actualyl does the documentation
09:16 kivilahtio   so nengard definetely deserves high praise
09:16 kivilahtio   but I am sure she couldn't have done it without support from you techies
09:16 * cait       wishes the train would not be shaking so much.
09:16 cait         Joubu: I think the list at the bottom is already missing 2 or so, but maybe add the patches you looked at? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2013-09-12_QA_Sprint_day#What_we_are_working_on_right_now...
09:17 BobB         cait travels too much :)
09:18 cait         kivilahtio: sounds pretty good!
09:18 cait         kivilahtio: we have 2 libraries using sip right now, and a third coming up in the next few weeks
09:18 cait         3 different RFID vendors...
09:18 cait         BobB: it feels a bit like that this year
09:18 cait         BobB: but train rides are ok - and no phone, can work on some bigger things
09:19 BobB         eurpoean trains are awesome, we need a plane to go anywhere here
09:20 cait         i think people's opinions about trains differ - but I quite like it
09:20 cait         today is personal travel, but we do all business travel by train as well
09:22 * cait       cheers for the qa team - looks like we could get the queue under 50 even!
09:23 kivilahtio   our train tickets from Joensuu to Helsinki cost more than flight from Helsinki to Oslo
09:23 kivilahtio   I think it is like 68€ one way by train
09:30 cait         and the flight is cheaper?
09:30 cait         i am paying ... 72 euro today from konstanz to dortmund, with seat reservations
09:30 cait         and that's half price because i have a special discount card
09:47 BobB         @later tell mtj: Please look at bug 10554, patch doesn't apply
09:47 huginn`      BobB: The operation succeeded.
09:50 BobB         @later tell mtj:  Should bug 10825 have a different status or are there more patches coming?  I can test this for you.
09:50 huginn`      BobB: The operation succeeded.
09:50 BobB         Ok, time for dinner
10:31 * cait       waves
10:35 mtj_         BobB, i will resumbit a better patch for 10825
10:49 * cait       waves at khall from the train
10:53 cait         hm looks like i forgot to note the failed qa columns
11:01 kivilahtio   cait: Do you have any idea can we search for serial issues in the OPAC?
11:02 cait         hm not sure I understand what you want to do
11:02 cait         can you specify?
11:02 kivilahtio   We would like to find out in which libraries we have the Time Magazine, vol 2011, number 22 in.
11:03 cait         aah
11:03 cait         hm you could create a search for serials, and find time magazine
11:03 cait         lmiting to a special issue is  a bit harder to do
11:03 cait         i think currently it requires that you add real items for your subscriptions
11:03 cait         and then you could search... but wait
11:03 cait         you would only have one record for time magazine
11:03 cait         so you find that
11:04 cait         then you go to subscriptions
11:04 cait         go to the full detail page and then you can see it there I think
11:04 kivilahtio   yes I can see that in full details
11:04 cait         yeah, i think that's what I'd recommend
11:04 cait         serial subscriptions have 3 different views
11:04 kivilahtio   but I cannot get an overview of where this one serial issue can be found
11:04 cait         the most complete one has table sorting and filter options to the left
11:05 kivilahtio   cait: yes I have explored those options, but this specific query came from my colleague in  avery bitter tone ;)
11:05 cait         if you had items you could sort by numbers - or maybe in the future we could add one of the datatable search boxes there
11:05 cait         kivilahtio: the thing is that issue information is not very normalized
11:06 cait         so searching for that is always a bit tricky i guess
11:06 kivilahtio   I agree completely
11:06 kivilahtio   these serials related search requests are tricky at best, and totally hard for a computer to solve
11:06 cait         if you choose to create items for your serial subscriptions, you could index the serial enumeration field - but then it would sitll be hard to get the right serach term maybe for a patron
11:06 kivilahtio   esp in large volumes
11:07 kivilahtio   cait: Ok
11:07 kivilahtio   cait: Can I ask one more question?
11:08 kivilahtio   pretty please?
11:08 cait         i think it should be possible to add datatable search and sorting to the issues table for all issues... you'd still search for the record first...
11:08 cait         i can try :) not sure i am making much sense today
11:08 cait         maybe throw your serials question in jcamins direction when he is around - i think he might have done something like that for the library he used to work at
11:09 kivilahtio   cait: How do we collect reports about our patron's fines? Like late return incurs a fine, or renting fine. More specifically I am interested about in which database table the fines information is collected?
11:09 cait         accountlines is the table
11:09 kivilahtio   ok, gonna check that out
11:09 cait         there is another for credits
11:09 cait         and you can do pretty neat things with reports
11:09 cait         have you seen the reports library yet?
11:09 cait         reports library?
11:09 wahanui      reports library is, like, found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
11:10 kivilahtio   cait: Thanks yous, I am yet to take a look in that
11:11 cait         there is overdues with fines on the circulation page
11:11 kivilahtio   cait: wow, this SQL Reports Library is golden!
11:13 cait1        kivilahtio: sorry, got disconnected
11:13 kivilahtio   cait: wow, this SQL Reports Library is golden!
11:13 cait1        i was goign to stay that I think statistics and action_log have information about payments, waives etc. too
11:14 cait1        yes, and the nice thing you want to look at is runtime parameters
11:15 cait1        also the JSON api - so you can access report information from outside and build other things on top of those
11:15 cait1        also the fact that you can create links to other modules and pages is very nice
11:15 cait1        for example if a library has to touch manually a lot of records, because the change they have to make can't be calculated - you can create a report with the things they have to change, then add a link to each row that goes directly to the edit record/edit item page
11:16 kivilahtio   cait1: sounds powerfull
11:16 cait1        i like it quite a lot :)
11:16 cait1        you could also create a mailto: like link with the patron email address
11:16 kivilahtio   cait1: I can expect the action_log-table to bloat pretty rapidly in daily use
11:17 cait1        yes, it can be huge
11:17 kivilahtio   cait1: maybe we can separate it to a different machine/disk
11:17 cait1        but i think some libraries keep theirs forever even
11:17 cait1        kivilahtio: with your machine... i would wait and try to see if such things are needed even
11:18 kivilahtio   cait1: ok
11:18 cait1        you might want to have a copy of your database on a differet server maybe to run expensive statistics on... i think nekls might have that
11:18 cait1        ours are not so big, my sql queries are all quite fast so far :)
11:19 cait1        and we haven't done any experiments so far
11:20 kivilahtio   cait1: ok, lets see what we have time for
11:20 kivilahtio   cait1: have you encountered any bottlenecks in performance, like with serials?
11:21 kivilahtio   I mean when you have 20 libraries each with 12 magazines for 10 years, things are bound to get tricky
11:21 kivilahtio   when an item is generated for each magazine
11:22 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
11:22 kivilahtio   hi mtompset
11:22 cait1        not yet - but our libraries are probably not best for comparison
11:22 cait1        our biggest is like... 80.000 records right now with 2 staff members
11:22 cait1        we will add a bigger one week after next - 6 staff, 2 branches, but not so many records yet
11:23 cait1        I think bywater and biblibre have the bigger installations :)
11:28 cait1        kivilahtio: hm i think it might depend - most of our libraries don't do real items for serial issues - only using subscriptions
11:28 cait1        kivilahtio: you can define for each subscription if you want to add an item (with barcode and all) or not
11:28 cait1        I'd take a look at the bigger installations - maybe aix marseille? i think they have serials
11:37 cait1        @wunder Konstanz
11:37 huginn`      cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.5°C (1:35 PM CEST on September 13, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
11:50 kivilahtio   cait1: Thanks for the info!
12:32 tcohen       morning #koha, QA people :-D
12:37 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:40 mtompset     tcohen!
12:40 mtompset     Just the person I wanted to see. :)
12:40 tcohen       mtompset! heh
12:40 mtompset     Greetings, oleonard. :)
12:41 mtompset     I just ran a series of tests from koha-sites.conf
12:41 mtompset     I'm wondering about test cases 2,4, and 6. ;)
12:42 mtompset     USE_MEMCACHED="no"
12:42 mtompset     MEMCACHED_SERVERS="machinea:911"
12:42 mtompset     MEMCACHED_PREFIX=""
12:42 mtompset     Generates the broken output that I may have expected before with the command-line switches.
12:43 mtompset     (that's test case 2)
12:43 mtompset     Shouldn't the command-line test case 2 generate the same output for koha-sites.conf test case 2?
12:45 mtompset     (similarly for test case 4 and 6)
12:48 mtompset     Am I making sense, tcohen?
12:48 tcohen       was just talking to a colleage, let me check
12:48 mtompset     No problem... I think I better grab some food for breakfast. Today is going to be rough on the eating schedule.
12:48 tcohen       what is test case 6?
12:49 tcohen       i just have 5 :-D
12:49 mtompset     use-memcache = 1, memcached_servers=2 memcached_prefix=4... generate all the binary combinations.
12:50 mtompset     of course you only have 5, because 0, 1,3,5, and 7 are the only ones that make sense.
12:51 mtompset     However, for fullness of testing, you need to test 2, 4, and 6.
12:51 mtompset     Your command-line 2, 4, and 6 does not create the instance.
12:51 mtompset     and gives a meaningful error.
13:12 * tcohen     needs some coffee before resending the patch
13:17 tcohen       there u have mtompset
13:34 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
13:34 mtompset     tcohen: Sorry, but my internet died at the most inopportune time. I'll have to test the patch later.
13:35 mtompset     I'm hoping that I get to it this evening.
13:37 cait         really bad internet connection today :(
13:43 tcohen       mtompset: i don't think having USE_MEMCACHED="no" and some values in MEMCACHED_SERVERS and/or MEMCACHED_PREFIX should behave like command line switches
13:44 tcohen       USE_MEMCACHED="no" > sane files with no MEMCACHED configurations, no matter what's in them
13:45 blou         Greetings, koha!
13:47 blou         Got a question about shortcuts.  We have specific requirements from a library.
13:47 blou         I see the code loads jquery.kotkeys.min.js, which makes my custom changes very simple
13:48 blou         But nowhere can I see it _used_ in the code.
13:49 blou         Asked google, but could only find a discussion about it dating to 2009.
13:50 oleonard     blou: It's used in staff-global.js
13:51 oleonard     if($("#header_search #checkin_search").length > 0){ $(document).bind('keydown','Alt+r',function (){ $("#header_search").tabs("select","#checkin_search"); $("#ret_barcode").focus(); }); } else { $(document).bind('keydown','Alt+r',function (){ location.href="/cgi-bin/koha/circ/returns.pl"; }); }
13:52 blou         only location?
13:53 oleonard     Yes
13:56 blou         Great.  Before I open a bugzilla on that: what is the feel of the community about offering it elsewhere?  What about allowing for customization (through some ui)?
13:56 blou         We'd like our work to be community-grade, in short.  Do the things right.
13:56 cait         :)
13:56 cait         i think not everyone likes when browser short cuts gt overwritten
13:57 cait         and as I understand thre are not many free combinations when you look at the different browsers... so configurable sounds nice to me?
13:57 cait         not  sure what can be done there
13:58 jcamins      blou: I think providing a UI for customization could be nice, but if you need something NOWNOWNOWNOW (technical term), you could add some bindings in intranetuserjs.
13:59 oleonard     blou: And if you're working on keyboard shortcuts, keep in mind that the current hotkeys plugin in out of date and needs to be replaced if we're to be able to upgrade jquery
13:59 oleonard     blou: If you can find a good replacement it would be welcomed.
14:01 jcamins      oleonard: I looked for a replacement and had very little luck.
14:02 oleonard     Yeah me too.
14:02 blou         That would be optional, of course.  For example, when building the "member-toolbar", check if preferences have been set, then use them.  We don't want to overtake anything
14:02 blou         oleonard:  oh!  That is problematic
14:03 jcamins      I ended up with...
14:03 blou         So we can't move to latest jquery WITH the current hotkeys, because it breaks....  hotkey or jquery?
14:03 jcamins      shortcut.js.
14:03 oleonard     blou: It triggers an error in jquery
14:04 jcamins      oleonard: blou: http://www.openjs.com/scripts/events/keyboard_shortcuts/
14:05 jcamins      That's the only library I could find that worked across all browsers that I had.
14:05 oleonard     Wow that page is ugly.
14:06 jcamins      It is indeed.
14:06 oleonard     jcamins: What don't you like about that choice?
14:07 jcamins      oleonard: I do like that choice, I just had originally been looking for something that integrated with jQuery.
14:11 blou         But following on previous issue, wouldn't it better to use something NOT integrated with jquery, when there's risk of not being supported eventually?
14:11 blou         can't believe I'm thinking that way
14:12 jcamins      blou: no, I agree at this point.
14:12 jcamins      No question.
14:12 jcamins      jQuery is biiiiiig.
14:13 blou         true, powerful, but always risk of conflict
14:23 ebegin       Anybody know from the top of his head where we set the stop words for zebra ?
14:23 jcamins      ebegin: Zebra doesn't use stop words.
14:24 jcamins      No, that's not accurate.
14:24 jcamins      Koha isn't configured to use stop words with Zebra.
14:24 jcamins      That's accurate.
14:24 * gmcharlt   is looking into the issue with the website
14:25 ebegin       I know it doesn't use the stop words configured in the db, but I remember that there is a way to configure it. I'll look into it.
14:26 jcamins      Ohh.
14:26 jcamins      I misunderstood your questin.
14:26 jcamins      *question
14:27 jcamins      I've only configured stopwords with ICU.
14:27 blou         jcamins: openjs has had no update since 2009
14:27 jcamins      blou: true, but if it works, that's okay.
14:28 blou         jcamins: does it mesh well with jquery?  Looks like it would be bringing more that just shortcut manipulation
14:28 jcamins      blou: we'd just want to ouse the one script.
14:28 jcamins      I don't even know what the other things are.
14:28 jcamins      *use
14:29 * tcohen     belives his sysadmins are playing with the core switches right now
14:32 blou         Ok, I'll mess with it here, then open a Bz.  I suppose first step is to determine if can replace hotkeys without issue
14:33 blou         ... on staff-global.js
14:33 jcamins      Right. :)
14:33 jcamins      blou++
14:34 tcohen       is it ok if besides marking "pushed to stable" i also change version to '3.12'?
14:35 tcohen       (master -> 3.12)
14:39 tcohen       jenkins needs a finger pushing the reset button
14:40 jcamins      tcohen: I think the packages are done by a different computer.
14:40 jcamins      Possibly the computer that rangi brought with him on the plane.
14:41 tcohen       Koha_master seems to have been building for 15 hrs
14:41 jcamins      tcohen: oh.
14:48 tcohen       does anyone know of people using the stable branch relying on the tablesorter plugin?
14:49 jcamins      tcohen: I thought we eliminated that?
14:49 tcohen       yes, on master
14:49 oleonard     It is not quite eliminated on master
14:49 tcohen       bug 9916
14:49 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9916 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables in the OPAC
14:50 oleonard     The tablesorter plugin can't be removed from the staff client until Bug 9456 gets pushed
14:50 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add callnumber column to the cart
14:50 tcohen       i'm skipping 9916 for the stable branch
14:51 jcamins      tcohen: yeah, agreed.
14:51 oleonard     I think that is wise
14:52 oleonard     Is there a reason why a query using ExtractValue wouldn't work on 952?
14:52 jcamins      oleonard: yes, 952 isn't in the record.
14:53 oleonard     Oh it isn't?
14:53 jcamins      Not since 3.4.
14:53 oleonard     Hmf. What do I know?
14:53 jcamins      3.2.
14:55 tcohen       you have the data at 'items', which is also handy for easier manipulation
14:56 tcohen       has anyone tried to install launchpad?
14:56 jcamins      tcohen: the bug tracker?
14:56 wahanui      the bug tracker is http://bugs.koha-community.org
14:56 tcohen       exactly
14:56 jcamins      No.
14:58 tcohen       i'd like a bug tracker to allow release maintainers tag if a bug is present on a specific branch, and its resolution
14:59 tcohen       it is possible that modeling that with bugzilla is possible, I just know nothing about bugzilla options
15:00 tcohen       wahanui: launchpad is https://dev.launchpad.net/Running
15:00 wahanui      ...but launchpad is bad because it creates accounts for developers without their consent, without telling them, without any way to opt out....
15:01 cait         tcohen: you get from wahanui's comment that some people have a strong dislike for launchpad
15:01 cait         iam not sureanother tool is needed
15:01 cait         release maintainers could use tags
15:01 cait         or keywords in bugzilla
15:01 cait         or we could even add a new field if that was really needed :)
15:07 gmcharlt     website back up
15:07 gmcharlt     another DOS attack from the WP botnet, it appears
15:08 gmcharlt     tcohen: associating bugs with releases is the /only/ thing that I prefer in Launchpad qua bug tracker compared to bugzilla
15:08 gmcharlt     I'm with cait, I'd rather that we find a way to get BZ to do the RMaint's bidding than look for another tool at this point
15:09 tcohen       i was just expressing that i liked that launchpad feature
15:09 * cait       waves from superslow hotel wifi
15:09 cait         i wonder if i will ever get this 23 mb file downloaded that i need to look at :(
15:09 tcohen       i now too little about both bz and launchapd
15:12 tcohen       we use redmine
15:14 reiveune     bye
15:16 cait         tcohen: how many fields would you need?
15:17 cait         would another status work? or more like a separate thing? i think we have pushed to stable, pushed to master, we could probably have pushed to old stable - but not sure if that's enough
15:17 tcohen       cait, i'll tag 3.12 those bugs that are present on 3.12.x
15:17 tcohen       np
15:17 tcohen       in launchpad the whole bug lifecycle is versioned
15:18 cait         tcohen: if you use the tag, i think youhave to build a search for others to see - becausethe tags itself are personal
15:18 tcohen       i think we should forget i mentioned this and move on
15:18 cait         i thinkthe keywords are visible to everyone, but not quite sure how they work
15:18 cait         nooo... I didn't want to kill your idea :(
15:19 tcohen       np
15:20 tcohen       if i come up with a solution to my idea i'll comment on that, otherwise i wouldn't waste anyone's time on this
15:23 cait         ok
15:23 * cait       sends tcohen cookies
15:34 vfernandes   hi :)
15:35 vfernandes   it's normal to can't checkin items with holds?
15:35 * oleonard   sends his semi-annual message to the staff reminding them that putting "need new email address" into the patron's email address field is counter-productive
15:37 oleonard     vfernandes: You should be able to check in items which have holds
15:37 vfernandes   on /cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl it says "On hold" in check in column
15:37 vfernandes   I can't
15:37 oleonard     vfernandes: Right, because if you try to check it in from there you won't see the hold notification message
15:37 oleonard     You have to do it from returns.pl
15:38 vfernandes   hummm ok
15:40 vfernandes   there isn't a way to remove that function?
15:41 oleonard     What do you mean?
15:43 vfernandes   there is a way to allow checkin in the table in items on hold? without going to returns.pl
15:43 oleonard     Only if you come up with an enhancement wherein hold messages can be correctly displayed
15:59 tcohen       sudo service jenkins kick
16:34 gaetan_B     bye !
16:42 oleonard     Wow, I just ran the " Missing or invalid email format " report from the SQL wiki on our production database and wept.
16:42 jcamins      Tears of joy, right?
16:42 oleonard     well, is "vannestrom" a valid email address?
16:43 jcamins      depends.
16:43 oleonard     On whether or not you're King of Earth?
16:43 jcamins      Right.
16:43 jcamins      And here I thought you weren't sure!
16:45 oleonard     Oh good, the report is much smaller if I ignore the empty email addresses
16:52 oleonard     Looks like all the cool kids these days have a "hotmail,com" address
17:04 khall        hey all, is there any documentation on how to add a field to the existing "Any" index? Specifically using GRS if that matters. My google-fu is weak apparently.
17:06 jcamins      khall: any field that is indexed in GRS-1 is included in the Any index.
17:06 jcamins      That's what all any means.
17:06 jcamins      understanding zebra indexing?
17:06 wahanui      somebody said understanding zebra indexing was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing
17:07 khall        thanks jcamins, but that just brings up further questions as to why my search isn't working!
17:07 khall        thanks wahanui, that's one I've been reading
17:07 jcamins      khall: that's not the one I wanted.
17:08 khall        there's also this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_add_new_zebra_index
17:08 jcamins      That's not the one I wanted either. There should be one I wrote while I was at ByWater which explains the "all any" construction, and why it doesn't work the way we want.
17:09 jcamins      Maybe check your Google Docs? A bit of a long shot, but maybe worth a try.
17:10 jcamins      What's your indexing look like?
17:10 jcamins      And what doesn't work?
17:11 khall        jcamins: I'm still trying to suss that out.
18:09 mtompset     I'm back now. What a long day so far. I dislike being a chauffeur for everyone in my family.
18:10 tcohen       hi mtompset
18:11 tcohen       is there any "release maintainer appreciation day"?
18:12 * tcohen     wants cookies from time to time
18:12 * druthb     gives tcohen a cookie.
18:14 tcohen       thanks drithb
18:14 tcohen       *druthb
18:15 mtompset     druthb is a kind person. :)
18:16 druthb       :)
18:24 gmcharlt     dealing with another attack on the website
18:25 mtompset     Is it really an attack, or is it ignorance pushed further?
18:25 gmcharlt     it really is an attack
18:26 gmcharlt     most likely not one specifically directed at us, though; most likely the botbot that's been hitting WP sites off and on for months
18:28 oleonard     Looks like we hide the authorities module from users who do not have permission to edit authorities.
18:29 tcohen       gmcharlt: sudo apt-get install fail2ban
18:29 oleonard     Is there a reason why we don't let those users view authority records in the staff client?
18:30 gmcharlt     tcohen: it's a distributed botnet that makes WP login attempts from multiple address; fail2ban won't help
18:30 tcohen       oh
18:30 * gmcharlt   is not seeking advice at this time; just giving an update
18:30 tcohen       ok
18:33 oleonard     It would be surprising to users to suddenly see the authorities module on the home page, especially if their library doesn't use them
18:37 oleonard     What do you think jenkins_koha?
18:41 tcohen       how would that happen oleonard?
18:41 oleonard     tcohen: I'm wondering why we don't show the authorities module to users who don't have permission to edit authorities. Why not show the authorities module but hide edit/delete options?
18:42 tcohen       we allow opac users to search authorities, right? :-D
18:42 oleonard     Is the authorities module in the staff client useful to those without permission to edit? Based on authority searching being in the OPAC I would guess yes
18:45 gmcharlt     website restored
18:45 oleonard     gmcharlt++
18:46 tcohen       gmcharlt++
18:46 mtompset     which website specificly? wiki? git? www?
18:46 gmcharlt     www
19:01 tcohen       oleonard: the catalogue permission seems weird too
19:02 oleonard     ?
19:02 tcohen       hiding the catalogue on the staff
19:05 jcamins      tcohen: I have an explanation.
19:05 jcamins      @quote get 123
19:05 wahanui      http://xkcd.com/1172/
19:05 huginn`      jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:07 tcohen       heh
19:08 mtompset     Nice xkcd. :)
19:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #95: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/95/
19:13 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10028: fix how ModReceiveOrder() calls NewOrder()
19:13 jenkins_koha * Christophe Croullebois: Bug 10573: French translation for printing a basketgroup
19:13 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10573: (followup) French translation for printing a basketgroup
19:13 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10028 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , ModReceiveOrder works unexpectedly
19:13 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10573: (follow-up) update license and copyright statement
19:13 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10728: fix log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl
19:13 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10728: fix additional log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl
19:13 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Field: Bug 10704: make OPAC highlighting work across previous/next travel
19:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10701: fix display of transit status on the bibliographic detail page
19:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message
19:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10765 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax
19:13 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10573 normal, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , French translation for printing a basketgroup
19:13 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10728 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , subscription-renew generates unnecessary warnings in logs
19:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax
19:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax
19:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax
19:13 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling local holds with local items
19:13 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10704 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Search term highlighting doesn't work beyond the first results page
19:13 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10743: Add styles to 'my privacy' page in OPAC
19:13 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10741: restore holdability of in-transit items on OPAC search results
19:13 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10701 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , In transit information doesn't display on the bibliographic detail page
19:13 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10741: reformat test for displaying place hold link in OPAC search results
19:13 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10741: (follow-up) add regression test
19:14 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10766: unbreak reservoir search when UseQueryParser is OFF
19:14 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10645: adding missing zebra languages to koha-create manpage
19:14 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9820: display titles in MARC21 name headings better in XSLT mode
19:14 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9820 follow-up: fix a typo
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10081 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , IndependentBranches error message missing the library name
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10765 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax
19:14 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10557: remove unused branch parameter from GetBooksellersWithLateOrders
19:14 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10528: add unit tests for C4::Bookseller.pm
19:14 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9247 - Add two more usage examples to the manpage for koha-mysql
19:14 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10593: make AuthoritiesLog default to yes
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10763 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax
19:14 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10587: fix HTML errors on authority detail page in OPAC
19:14 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10130: widen input fields for library configuration
19:14 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 10690 - Warn about trailing slashes in description of OPACBaseURL and staffClientBaseURL
19:14 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10508: add unit tests for C4::Branch
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8670 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10628 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , AutomaticItemReturn prevents holds queue from filling local holds with local items
19:14 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 10508: (follow-up) fix a typo
19:14 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10508: (follow-up) remove Perl 5.14 construct
19:14 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10629: remove inappropriate uses of $sth->finish() in C4::Branch
19:14 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10767: add unit tests for C4::Circulation routines that use issuingrules
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , add style to privacy rules
19:14 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10767: (follow-up) remove FIXME comments
19:14 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10710: add unit tests for OfflineOperation's routines in C4/Circulation.pm
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10741 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Can not place a hold on an item in transit and for loan
19:14 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10710: (follow-up) perltidy new code
19:14 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10692: add unit tests for C4::Circulation routines about transfers
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10766 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Cataloging reservoir search broken if UseQueryParser is off
19:14 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10693: CreateBranchTransferLimit's return value in C4::Circulation.pm should be more explicit
19:14 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10693: (follow-up) fix parameter checking in CreateBranchTransferLimit()
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10645 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Missing zebra languages in koha-create manpage
19:14 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10699: add explicit return value for DeleteBranchTransferLimits()
19:14 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10755 - Add "Keyword as Phrase" to staff client advanced search indexes
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Missing space between 100/700 $a and $c (MARC21/XSLT)
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10557 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , GetBooksellersWithLateOrders has an unused branch parameter
19:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #96 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10528 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , UT: C4::Bookseller.pm needs unit tests
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9247 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Add two more usage examples to the manpage for koha-mysql
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10593 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , AuthoritiesLog should default to yes
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10587 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , HTML errors on authority detail page in OPAC
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, campbellreidtait, Pushed to Stable , Input fields for branch configuration are too short
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10690 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Warn about trailing slashes in description of OPACBaseURL and staffClientBaseURL
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10508 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , UT: C4::Branch.pm needs unit tests
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10629 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , Inappropriate uses of $sth->finish() in C4::Branch.pm
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10767 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , UT: Routines which interact with the table issuingrules in C4/Circulation need unit test
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10710 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , UT : OfflineOperation's routines in C4/Circulation.t need unit tests.
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10692 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , UT: Routines about transfers in C4::Circulation.pm need unit tests
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10693 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , CreateBranchTransferLimit's return values in C4::Circulation.pm should be more explicit
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10699 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , DeleteBranchTransferLimits in C4/Circulation.pm needs return value
19:14 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10755 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Add "Keyword as Phrase" to staff client advanced search indexes
19:16 tcohen       oops, looks like the whole-friday-pushes are going to flood us
19:17 * tcohen     runs
19:17 tcohen       bye #koha
19:17 mtompset     At least it isn't a global flood that will wipe out mankind. ;)
19:17 jcamins      Does anyone have any suggestions of the fastest way to get a list of random words out of a file?
19:17 mtompset     Greetings, cait.
19:18 cait         hi mtompset
19:18 cait         hi jcamins
19:18 jcamins      I feel like there is an obvious way to do this.
19:18 mtompset     as in ordered dictionary from it?
19:18 oleonard     jcamins: Technically it would still be random if all of them were "sasquatch"
19:18 jcamins      oleonard: true, but I don't think sasquatch appears in the file.
19:18 jcamins      Nope.
19:18 cait         hm count the words and do something random with the count?
19:18 jcamins      mtompset: nope.
19:18 cait         itshould be quite easy with perl i  guess
19:19 jcamins      I actually just need about eighty words from a 300MB file.
19:19 jcamins      cait: yeah, I was hoping someone knew an awk one-liner.
19:19 cait         well, not me
19:19 jcamins      Me either.
19:20 jcamins      I think the best bet is to just load up a dictionary, then I can even know how popular the words are.
19:20 alaquerre    Hi everyone, some of our client try to implement the RFID and manufacturer told them it's not working well with Koha because Koha dont respect SIP2 protocole properly.  Does any of you are aware of problem with RFID-SIP2 in Koha ?
19:21 mtompset     Ah, so you have a known amount of random words you want, a sample file to grab them from, and you just want that many random words?
19:21 jcamins      mtompset: right.
19:22 jcamins      I can't just use the obvious awk or cut option because many of the words are quoted, and I don't know how to use awk and cut.
19:22 mtompset     is every word space delimited?
19:23 jcamins      Nope.
19:23 jcamins      Now it is.
19:23 jcamins      Thanks to the magic of Perl.
19:24 mtompset     I was thinking, wc to get the max number of words, loop known about of times and then "cat <the file name> | cut -f<the random number between the range> -d' '"
19:24 cait         alaquerre: they haven't been more specific?
19:25 cait         like giving you a version it didn't work well with or a feature?
19:25 cait         we have libraries doing checkout, checkin and that works just fine
19:25 mtompset     alaquerre:  sounds like what a sales person says when product X is blaming product Y who is blaming product Z who is blaming product X for problems. :)
19:25 cait         there is one open bug currently for the fines not blocking checkout, but that should be solved soon - the basic things seem to work nicely
19:25 alaquerre    Cait : no nothing.  The school in question is in public tending to implement the RFID.  I told them they need to "support Koha with SIP2".
19:25 cait         yep that's what we tell the libraries too
19:26 cait         ask for SIP2 and that it has to work with Koha
19:26 alaquerre    And you guys have some library with Koha-SIP2 working ? :-)
19:26 cait         guess you can't tell which vendor it was?
19:26 cait         we got 3 different, only one being german
19:26 cait         well we have 2 libraries already using self check and one will be soon
19:26 alaquerre    I would, but I dont know it
19:26 cait         and all using different vendors :)
19:27 alaquerre    Thanks for the ansers guys, that's enough for me :-)
19:27 alaquerre    It work so they can't tell us it dont.
19:27 cait         i think there will be somethings not working, butapart from the fines I am not aware of a thing currently, there is a list of supported commands somewhere on the wiki maybe
19:27 alaquerre    Do you know what kind of "brand" currently in function ? Ex : 3M ?
19:28 cait         we had problems with renwals once... but that was 4 years ago or so I don't know about current versions
19:28 cait         brand?
19:29 alaquerre    I speek french... bad traduction.
19:29 cait         we have one library using 3M and i think there are more in France
19:30 cait         we normally ask to od a test with the vendor
19:30 alaquerre    Is there any other then 3M ?
19:30 cait         hm there are lots
19:30 cait         at least here
19:31 alaquerre    ok - that's fine.  I'll answer back that there is a lot of library in the world that work with Koha-Sip2 :-)  THanks again and have all a good weekend.
19:31 cait         i guess that would be right :)
19:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #96: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/96/
19:53 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7143: history.txt and about page updates
19:53 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 5904: make patron search autocompletion respect IndependentBranches
19:53 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10786: fix Javascript error on the parcel page
19:53 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10588: improve selection of default branch for OPAC popular items pag
19:53 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9603 - Fix layout of Patron Card Creator Layout screen for display in IE
19:53 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10574 - mute the "upgrading from 3.2" message
19:53 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10678 - Allow framework selection when creating from Z39.50
19:53 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
19:53 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5904 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , ysearch.pl members improvements (Independant branches behaviour)
19:53 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10678 - Update addbooks help page
19:53 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10786 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Javascript error on the parcel page: YAHOO is not defined
19:53 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10588 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , opac-topissues first branch always selected in filters
19:53 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9603 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Fix layout of Patron Card Creator Layout screen for display in IE
19:53 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10574 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Remove the message about upgrading to 3.4
19:53 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10678 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Allow framework selection when creating from Z39.50
20:03 cait1        Joubu++ wow 47/10
20:03 cait1        lowest numbers in a long time
21:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #178 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #178: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/178/
22:12 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9362: fix query that finds upcoming due loans
22:12 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10541: enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js
22:12 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: bug 10549: make the ILS-DI services advertise that they return UTF-8
22:12 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9362 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Wrong query in GetUpcomingDueIssues (Circulation.pm)
22:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10549: (follow-up) make sure ILS-DI GetAvailability response is emitted as UTF-8
22:12 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: Bug 10595: don't display OpacTopissue page when system preference is turned off
22:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10559: remove spurious "statement handle still active" warnings
22:12 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10553: make public lists available on OPAC login page
22:12 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10457: fix SQL error when using 'export select items data' in serials claims page
22:12 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9801: display facet labels in search results only when there are facet values
22:12 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10541 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js
22:12 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 7598: make strings in acquisitions JavaScript translatable
22:12 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 7598: [Follow-up] make strings in acquisitions JavaScript translatable
22:12 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10549 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI should not use ISO-8851-9 encoding
22:12 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 7143 - Updating history and about page
22:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 7143: add latest batch of committers
22:12 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10595 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , OpacTopissue page still accessible when system preference is turned off
22:12 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10559 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , noisy statement handle still active warnings when generating notices
22:12 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10553 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Public lists not available from OPAC login page
22:13 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10457 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Export selected items data doesn't work when using checkall checkbox
22:13 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9801 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , location facet shows even if no locations
22:13 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7598 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Acquisitions JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
22:13 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
22:25 tweetbot_    [off] @KohaILS: "#KohaILS  [Koha-patches] [PATCH] Bug 10888 - Don't hide authorities module from users without… http://t.co/FwpzMUtoXU"
22:25 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10888 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Don't hide authorities module from users without permission to edit authorities
22:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #179 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #179: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/179/
23:11 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10576: make strings in additem.js accessible to translation
23:11 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10516 - Improve titles, breadcrumbs, and confirmation messages for Z39.50 server adds and updates
23:11 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10516 - Follow up - Fixing capitalization
23:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10576 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Untranslatable strings in additem.js
23:11 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: Bug 10621: use correct from-address for subscription alert emails
23:11 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10463: ensure that Quote of the Day feature selects random quotes
23:11 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10644: add unit tests for ClassSource.pm
23:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10644: fix typos in test descriptions
23:11 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10666: avoid random failures of Daily quotes tests
23:11 jenkins_koha * root: Bug 10643: fix inappropriate uses of $sth->finish() in C4::ClassSource.pm
23:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Improve titles, breadcrumbs, and confirmation messages for Z39.50 server adds and updates
23:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10621 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Stable , Subscription alert emails have wrong from-address
23:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10644: (follow-up) remove inadvertant dependence on Perl 5.14
23:11 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10712: Save missing config variables to install log
23:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10463 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Quote of the day feature not selecting random quotes
23:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10644 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , C4::ClassSource.pm needs unit tests
23:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10666 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Daily quotes tests are failing
23:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10643 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , Inappropriate uses of $sth->finish() in C4::ClassSource.pm
23:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10712 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Some values not saved in koha install log