Time Nick Message
23:57 mtompset I like it when someone comes back and says thank you.
23:57 * mtompset smiles, "I got a thank you. YAY!"
22:59 mtompset Is the creation of INSTALL.dev and INSTALL.standard for just those sections, okay?
22:59 mtompset Okay, next question on the documentation in the koha source files. Some people are rather picky about knowing details, like "How should I answer all the questions to 'perl Makefile.PL'?"
22:44 mtompset drojf: 2.2.9 :P
22:43 jcamins The little corner grocery store probably would not.
22:43 jcamins Shop Rite, Food Lion, etc., would have.
22:42 jcamins If it's a suburban supermarket, yeah.
22:42 rambutan in a regular (not speciality) grocery store?
22:42 drojf you would find some nice internet information source about installing koha 2.2 on windows
22:42 jcamins rambutan: definitely.
22:41 rambutan jcamins et al: is smoked paprika something I should expect to find in the store? I'm looking at an Indian eggplant recipe.
22:41 jcamins If someone needs help installing Debian, that person should ask Debian experts.
22:41 jcamins Otherwise, assume the operating system is installed.
22:41 jcamins You would have Windows, you would find the oldest, most out-of-date instructions you could, and then proceed to get angry about the fact that the instructions assume Linux when you have Windows.
22:40 rambutan Install OS && download tar.gz and read instructions
22:40 jcamins mtompset: none of the above.
22:39 mtompset okay, if you wanted to install Koha from scratch, would you already have your OS installed and then download the tar.gz for the instructions, or would you download the tar.gz, get the instructions, and then follow them? Should the instructions assume either?
22:34 druthb https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Q68oeQK94kTTN2UHlfVkZXN3M #Dame Maggie does *not* approve.
22:34 * mtompset waits for his "git pull".
22:34 * mtompset sings, "la la la la la la, la la la la laaaaaa"
22:32 * mtompset laughs.
22:31 druthb along with https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Q68oeQK94kcGtqVmxsMmRhRHc
22:31 druthb That turned up in my RSS feed on another topic altogether.
22:31 druthb :P
22:29 mtompset Not if you are the pink girl. :P
22:29 druthb :P
22:29 cait pretty violent
22:29 druthb jcamins, mtompset, cait...during all the back and forth today, would it have been out of line for me to post this image? https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Q68oeQK94kZ21aYkc0S1lpcXc
22:28 druthb o/
22:27 bag oh interesting title - but I haven't read the article --> The Ben Affleck Batman Backlash Sounds A Lot Like What You Said About Heath Ledger As The Joker
22:26 * mtompset whistles hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to work we go.
22:26 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
22:21 rangi heh
22:12 * jcamins plays bop-the-segfault.
22:12 jcamins Woohoo!
20:43 eythian it does seem that way.
20:42 cait for not liking moon language you spent quite a lot of time in moon speaking countries
20:42 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
20:42 eythian wahanui: germs
20:42 eythian hi cait
20:42 cait hey eythian :)
20:42 eythian ah
20:41 drojf i wanted wahanui to do an auto responder for you
20:41 eythian E for effort then.
20:41 eythian oh
20:41 drojf it actually failed
20:41 drojf heh
20:41 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
20:41 eythian @later tell drojf test passed
20:40 eythian heh
20:40 eythian No. No I don't :)
20:40 kathryn eythian: no promises on the latter
20:39 drojf you mean german?
20:39 eythian sounds mediocre really. I might just stay here, though I'm missing normal language a little...
20:38 jcamins My importer process is using 370MB/RAM. It's only a 13MB file.
20:38 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
20:38 eythian @later tell tcohen remind me when I'm no longer on holiday, but the essence is that you just put the file in anyway.
20:38 kathryn also some sunbeams, not overly warm ones :)
20:37 kathryn there have been some MEAN tumbelweeds!
20:37 eythian oh hi. What have I missed? Is it warm there yet?
20:36 * kathryn waves at eythian
20:17 jcamins kelly_sundin++
20:17 kathryn hi everyone :)
20:14 oleonard See you all tomorrow
20:14 cait oh thx
20:14 oleonard cait++ # for weekend QA'ing
20:14 oleonard Oh, before I forget...
20:14 cait you should enjoy your evening :)
20:14 cait nope
20:11 oleonard Actually building the HTML in Items.pm may not be strictly necessary, but I don't think that's a task for 5 minutes before quitting time
20:06 cait oleonard: yeah, biulding html in perl doesn't sound right
20:06 cait bit slow today
20:06 cait i figured it out in the end :)
20:05 * oleonard might be building HTML in all kinds of private messages but it's private
20:05 oleonard Sorry, I didn't mean Private Message :)
20:01 cait oh
20:01 cait PM?
20:00 oleonard This is one of the hazards of building HTML in a PM
20:00 oleonard I suspect one or both were chosen because they fit nicely on someone's screen :P
19:59 bag 50 is too even and 67 is too odd
19:59 bag that seems like odd choices 50 and 67?
19:58 cait oleonard: nope.
19:56 rangi bbl
19:56 * rangi does the school run
19:55 oleonard Anyone know why PrepareItemrecordDisplay in Items.pm creates some item subfield entry fields with a size of 50 and some with a size of 67?
19:47 drojf :)
19:47 rangi yay, i can fill in the survey, cos the guy answered me
19:47 * drojf leaves for beer and breaking bad
19:47 drojf starting day. good idea
19:46 mtompset Have a troll-free starting .... now... day, #koha.
19:46 mtompset I better start getting ready to close.
19:46 mtompset 3:45pm already?!
19:44 rangi hehe, ok 2016 :)
19:44 drojf :P
19:44 mtompset I'm not making promises.
19:44 drojf you are going to europe in 2015
19:44 rangi but id def go to the philipines in 2015 :)
19:44 rangi unlikely to be able to pull one together for 2014
19:44 rambutan I'd love to go crawl around the lahar fields again.
19:43 rangi mtompset: but yeah it might be worth working on a bid for 2015
19:43 mtompset But like I said, I'd have to talk with my colleagues.
19:43 mtompset I don't know them.
19:43 rambutan mtompset: I see there's a koha library in Angeles City, could they host? There's lots of amenities/lodging there.
19:43 rangi for me, this years kohacons is probably the most dangerous place it has been
19:43 drojf not much koha there either
19:43 druthb Russia, most of the Middle East, most of Africa—no-go for me, regrettably.
19:42 druthb drojf: There's slightly over 1/8 of the earth's inhabitable land area that I am *not* gonna go to, and that's just one country.
19:41 mtompset Sadly, the guest house only holds probably 50 or people, but there are external hotels.
19:41 drojf i keep my being assaultet strictly to my private travel too :D
19:41 druthb (or worse, arrested for who-I-am, which rules out *most* of the Middle East as a destination for me.)
19:41 * druthb just has no desire to be assaulted while on professional travel.
19:41 mtompset No, I'm thinking Quezon City, Manila.
19:40 druthb :P not that at all.
19:40 drojf non-adventurous druthb is non-adventurous.
19:40 mtompset I'll have to ask about how many people can sit in the two conference rooms.
19:39 druthb Preferably in a place *not* the subject of travel-safety alerts. Good air connections are a plus.
19:39 rangi big enough for 150+ people, good internet
19:39 mtompset Rangi, that wouldn't be a problem. How many people show up for KohaCon?
19:38 rangi you need a venue, for a week
19:38 rambutan mtompset: start the discussion now so that it can happen in 3-5 years?
19:37 mtompset Hmmm... Probably won't happen, but I'll see what my colleagues think of hosting it in the Philippines.
19:36 drojf mtompset: see what happens when you host a kohacon ;)
19:35 huginn` rambutan: slef was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 59 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <slef> kf speed?
19:35 rambutan @seen slef
19:35 oleonard Maybe the "date acquired" field *doesn't* need to have a size of "67" ?
19:35 mtompset Hmmm... that comment made me think of slef. Haven't heard from slef in ages. :)
19:35 drojf don't know. you could ask people that already did one.
19:35 * magnuse wanders off
19:34 mtompset money, of course.
19:34 drojf you mean time, or money? :D
19:33 jcamins mtompset: depends on how expensive your ideas are.
19:33 mtompset How much does it cost to host a KohaCon?
19:32 drojf thanks. that would have been embarassing
19:32 drojf hm i must have mixed it up with doind another anouncement bevore end of last month, or something
19:32 magnuse hehe
19:31 drojf i was completely sure about it
19:31 magnuse i took the liberty of adding it to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_11_September_2013
19:31 drojf funny how that changed in my head
19:31 magnuse ;-)
19:31 drojf magnuse++
19:31 magnuse #action drojf will send a reminder for people to get in their proposals by September 15
19:31 drojf thanks, brain
19:31 drojf ouch
19:31 drojf really
19:31 drojf oh
19:31 magnuse "submissions due by 15 September, voting to commence first week of October" http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_irc_meeting_10_7_13.2013-07-10-10.06.log.html#l-196
19:31 drojf so they know and can start getting used to being kohacon hosts ;)
19:30 drojf given we will only have one entry we could do that earlier maybe
19:30 drojf *until
19:30 drojf propose untik end of august, vote mid-september
19:30 drojf that was to vote
19:30 mtompset (I vaguely recall one)
19:30 drojf i think 3
19:30 drojf we did not set a utc time. i'll just announce it's argentina or death when august is over for everyone
19:30 * magnuse thought it was september 15?
19:30 mtompset how many mails did you send?
19:29 drojf end of august
19:29 mtompset when does it close?
19:28 drojf i am not sending another mail for the closing of kohacon14 proposals. i will send one when august is over for the whole world. objections?
19:28 oleonard Scandalous!
19:27 magnuse yup
19:26 drojf yes you can, you just have to make up some stuff ;)
19:25 oleonard You have to register on that site and submit them--not sure if you can do that on behalf of someone else's library.
19:25 mtompset I can think of two more in the Phlippines which aren't listed. :)
19:24 mtompset How do we update data points on the koha map?
19:23 drojf i did not even see that message. and it sounds like it will lead to something great like that other "study"
19:22 wahanui koha map is at http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha
19:22 magnuse koha map?
19:22 magnuse koha map is at http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha
19:22 magnuse world map?
19:22 magnuse koha map?
19:22 wahanui i heard map was new in koha
19:22 magnuse map?
19:22 oleonard "Please prove that libraries can really use Koha." Maybe look at a world map?
19:21 jcamins Oh, yeah, I ignore all requests for survey filling out.
19:21 magnuse it's in the questionnaire message
19:20 drojf looks like i missed that too
19:19 jcamins I think I'm glad of that.
19:19 * cait offers rangi popcorn
19:18 jcamins I think I missed that message.
19:18 rangi I'll bite
19:18 * magnuse thinks cait does the right thing
19:18 rangi 'commercial ils'
19:18 rangi *sigh*
19:18 * cait just eats the popcorn now.
19:15 drojf "you don't get credit if you are un-helping"
19:13 jcamins "You don't get credit for not showing up"?
19:13 rangi there are 2 examples of the latter one in todays mail
19:13 rangi 'helping because you want to, vs helping because you want credit'
19:13 rangi called
19:12 rangi im gonna have to do a blog post i think
19:09 rangi heh
19:08 drojf beer? ;)
19:08 drojf oops
19:08 rangi yeah :(
19:05 oleonard Oh no we forgot to warn rangi not to read his email
19:04 rangi eek
19:02 mtompset Thanks.
19:00 jcamins git describe
18:59 mtompset How do you now the most current tag that was added?
18:59 jcamins mtompset: yes.
18:59 mtompset out of curiosity... when the tar.gz is released for a Koha release, there is always a new "vX.YY.ZZ" type tag created, right?
18:58 magnuse mtompset: i know, but i don't think i will bother
18:58 magnuse lol...
18:58 * drojf hides
18:58 drojf or use a livedvd. you never have to update a livedvd
18:56 mtompset magnuse: You could roll your own, while he is on holiday. :)
18:54 * magnuse tries to upgrade to 3.12.4 and is reminded that eythian is on holiday :-)
18:52 huginn` oleonard: bag was last seen in #koha 5 days, 17 hours, 19 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <bag> heya wizzyrea
18:52 oleonard @seen bag
18:51 oleonard khall around?
18:48 cait sorry, bit behind with my bug mails
18:48 oleonard I raised a different translation issue on the bug report
18:48 oleonard I presume the configuration menu pulls the column names from the table cait
18:48 drojf oh nice feature
18:47 cait translatability? :)
18:46 oleonard mtompset: Yes, in that example the "renew" and "check in" columns are not hidable
18:46 mtompset Un-checking everything wouldn't make sense.
18:46 drojf ha, firefox just has a new weird way of dealing with flash
18:46 mtompset Though, is there a way to make it not hidable?
18:45 magnuse Joubu++ agreed!
18:44 oleonard Joubu++ # for that feature
18:44 mtompset (just from the screen cast)
18:44 magnuse nice
18:44 mtompset Oh, that is a cool feature.
18:44 jcamins I think that's okay.
18:43 cait oleonard: i think it looks nice actually - if we have the search above the table it might fit somewhere next to that?
18:43 oleonard Yeah, sorry about the Flash dependency
18:43 drojf so i can't see it
18:43 drojf hm i lost flash for some reasons
18:43 oleonard The enhancement also lets you set a system-wide configuration hiding specific columns in the specified tables.
18:43 drojf [off] mtompset: not. i might come back to that if i switch to cheap schnapps :P
18:43 cait oleonard: looking now :)
18:42 oleonard I think the "show / hide columns" button clutters things up a bit, but I'm curious what others think
18:42 oleonard http://screencast.com/t/8nkouqnTKLY
18:42 mtompset [off] not? Or do you mean you will?
18:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Columns configuration for tables
18:41 oleonard Have y'all seen Bug 10212 in action?
18:41 drojf [off] i think i'm not going to have my nice, imported, expensive gluten-free beer with that discussion :D
18:41 mtompset I'll stop feeding the troll now.
18:40 mtompset I just sent a reply.
18:39 * cait hmpf
18:39 drojf [off] so who of you had an old aol address lying around?
18:39 drojf now we are talking
18:38 drojf rofl
18:38 drojf hahahaha
18:37 cait [off] puts away the bowls of popcorn sighing deeply.
18:37 jcamins [off] and the role of developers in providing support, yes.
18:37 drojf [off] and that of release managers :P
18:36 drojf [off] jcamins: i think you overestimate the role of developers within the process of making koha
18:35 jcamins [off] Nope.
18:34 cait [off] no popcorn?
18:34 jcamins [off] Nah, I think we've pretty much finished that discussion.
18:34 * cait hands out bowls with popcorn
18:32 drojf [off] is it my turn again on the list? :P
18:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10528 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: C4::Bookseller.pm needs unit tests
18:29 jenkins_koha Kenza Zaki: Bug 10528: add unit tests for C4::Bookseller.pm
18:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1390: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1390/
18:26 drojf please feed the troll or it will die. we don't want that ;)
18:23 magnuse drojf: someone probably started the group, but they might not do a whole lot of running, i expect
18:23 jcamins Shhh?
18:23 mtompset DOH! I was just typing that.
18:22 jcamins Shhhh!!!!
18:22 oleonard if the Live DVD is necessary because people can't be bothered to install Koha normally, why are they expected to do manual upgrades?
18:21 mtompset bye tcohen.
18:21 drojf cu tcohen
18:21 drojf lol
18:21 tcohen bye #koha. have a nice trollday
18:20 drojf who runs the linkedin group? if things like that are run by anyone (never had an account there or know anything about it)
18:17 * oleonard finally ditched his LinkedIn account after finding it useless
18:17 jcamins [off] Along with other spam.
18:16 magnuse [off] and yes, mr bad instructions guy posted his link there too
18:16 oleonard Motto: "Google knows if you're having a bad hair day"
18:16 magnuse oleonard: there is already a linked in group. it's pretty, um hairy
18:16 drojf google hairdryer
18:15 talljoy google hangout? yay!
18:15 drojf lol
18:15 oleonard Quick, someone post a message to the list suggesting we ditch the list in favor of a Google Group
18:15 drojf books
18:15 druthb better watch out, talljoy. The silly runs deep today.
18:15 jcamins talljoy: I think hairdryer.
18:15 drojf oh no a library type of person, owning book /o\
18:15 talljoy a hairdryer?
18:14 * talljoy perks up and finds her norwegian dictionary
18:14 oleonard This is a grumpy day on the mailing list--and not without reason.
18:13 drojf wow. i'm getting that stitched on a pillow case
18:13 drojf I am not trying to under estimate the role of developers.
18:12 * druthb takes drojf's wiffle bat away.
18:11 drojf oops. hi talljoy, nobody called you a haarföner
18:10 magnuse oops, that was close
18:10 druthb sssh…gotta quit talking about talljoy! She's here.
18:09 magnuse :-)
18:09 druthb It's all in the *font*
18:08 * druthb waits for it.
18:07 druthb That is the kind of thing, though… you get a nice metally-sounding word, to the English ear, and run with it… "enhjørning", maybe, or "kjæresten". And make Norwegians giggle.
18:07 magnuse but they do *look* like real bands, though ;-)
18:06 magnuse everyday norwegian words
18:06 druthb LOL
18:05 magnuse the words are office, haridryer, earwarmer, brussel sprouts, backpack etc
18:05 druthb Didn't think so. GT totally fussed about some of those terms.
18:05 magnuse nope, not at all :-)
18:05 jcamins Google translate can't handle that.
18:04 druthb are all of those really bands, magnuse?
18:03 magnuse don't be afraid of admitting it if you don't get the joke ;-)
18:02 magnuse that reminds me of http://skuls.no/
18:01 * druthb nominated jcamins for lead bassist.
18:01 wahanui perfect is the enemy of good
18:01 druthb perfect!
18:00 jcamins Tröllhüntër?
18:00 druthb "Trollhunter" sounds like a lovely name for a Scandinavian death-metal band, perhaps with one or two metal umlauts.
17:59 magnuse it will be mandatory viewing before coming to kohacon in norway some time in the future, so you might as well watch it now
17:59 druthb oooh.
17:58 * magnuse recommends "Trollhunter" to everyone: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/
17:58 magnuse yay!
17:58 * druthb hands magnuse a spare wiffle-bat
17:57 * magnuse is tempted into troll-bashing instead of doing useful things
17:52 mtompset drojf: Are you still doing the Raspberry pi thing?
17:51 wahanui hmmm... drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi!
17:51 druthb wahanui: drojf?
17:51 wahanui druthb: huh?
17:51 druthb wahanui will remember for us.
17:51 druthb We can't forget drojf! nope nope nope!
17:44 drojf and forget to release. in return, i won't complain if you forget me in the release notes
17:44 tcohen please drojf
17:44 jcamins I'm hearing a lot of talk, not a lot of live dvd releasing.
17:44 drojf ok then i'll have to run for next live dvd manager
17:44 mtompset I agree. Though, if Nguyen Quoc Uy doesn't release a live DVD, but VKV does, then we probably should note VKV.
17:43 jcamins Probably not.
17:43 drojf it's probably not nice to delete a position we elected someone for?
17:42 drojf or i will switch to plan b
17:42 drojf i'd be up for deleting that position completely
17:42 jcamins Someone who volunteered to be Live DVD Manager and hasn't been around since, I think.
17:42 mtompset By the way, who is Nguyen Quoc Uy?
17:42 * drojf prints a t-shirt of that
17:41 * magnuse makes a note of that
17:41 * jcamins takes this opportunity to say that live dvds are a bad idea.
17:39 wahanui i think git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
17:39 jcamins git?
17:35 jcamins magnuse: check with khall. I think he said that he has a library that is.
17:34 * magnuse wonders if anyone is sending SMSes from koha...
17:34 * druthb hands wiffle bats to tcohen and jcamins.
17:29 tcohen [off] oh oh
17:28 drojf jcamins: oh. so he did it all for nothing but personal joy. funny, how that free software thing works. :P
17:28 cait no probably not even then.
17:28 cait when i survive whatever kind of crazy cold that is,...
17:28 cait right now i am trying nto to suffocate from coughing
17:27 jcamins I think cait is too smart.
17:27 jcamins Diabolical, even.
17:27 cait hah
17:27 jcamins drojf: sneaky!
17:27 drojf cait: that is to trick you into becoming release manager later :P
17:27 jcamins And because he is not really present in the community at all so no one remembered to add him during his term.
17:26 jcamins Pretty much.
17:26 drojf *release note fun
17:26 cait noone ever talks about the qa people...
17:26 drojf ah so dvd guy missed out on all the important release not fun because we did not have that position in there at all before?
17:25 tcohen .-P
17:25 jcamins Oh heck yes are we ever.
17:25 tcohen We RMaint are just boureaucrats, RM do the juicy job
17:24 drojf because they are burned out
17:24 jcamins Yeah, though thankfully after 3.x.0 most RMaints don't bother the poor, having-suffered RM much.
17:23 mtompset So the RM is responsible for 3.x.0 and on? While the RMaint is only responsible for helping the RM for 3.x.1 and on?
17:22 jcamins There's only one meaning. RM = Release Manager. RMaint = Release Maintainer. Sometimes people misspeak.
17:21 mtompset What are the two meanings of RM? 3.x.0 vs. 3.x.y?
17:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10528 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: C4::Bookseller.pm needs unit tests
17:19 jenkins_koha Kenza Zaki: Bug 10528: add unit tests for C4::Bookseller.pm
17:19 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #68: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/68/
17:18 tcohen lol
17:18 mtompset -- cause he didn't RELEASE a newer version. :P
17:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #1390 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:15 jcamins drojf: yeah, there's actually a reason he's not on the release notes.
17:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Missing space between 100/700 $a and $c (MARC21/XSLT)
17:14 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9820 follow-up: fix a typo
17:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10719 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , UT GetUpcomingDueIssues
17:14 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9820: display titles in MARC21 name headings better in XSLT mode
17:14 drojf [off] by making him shout at everyone and be ignored forever
17:14 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10719: (follow-up) clear existing loans before running circ tests
17:14 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10719 - UT GetUpcomingDueIssues
17:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1389: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1389/
17:14 drojf good point jcamins, i did not even think about the end of his term. i thought telling him to send a patch would take care of everything
17:11 * jcamins was genuinely offended by that message. So offended he responded.
17:11 mtompset [off] drojf: No, I mean the clueless wiki guy. "What's SEO? Oh, and here's my link."
17:09 * drojf trolls back on the list
17:09 drojf you mean mine? :P
17:08 mtompset I just thought the comment "I have no idea how you use technology" is applicable to some of the recent mailing list posts. ;)
17:07 mtompset http://xkcd.com/1254/
17:06 magnuse heh
17:06 oleonard having_your_world_view_validated_by_xkcd++
17:06 magnuse ay t'is true
17:05 mtompset Yes, 224 was a good xkcd. :)
17:05 magnuse yay for hacking things together with perl
17:04 magnuse om nom nom nom
17:04 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
17:04 magnuse druthb!
17:04 * druthb offers her favorite Norwegian a cookie.
17:03 druthb hi, magnuse! :)
17:03 * magnuse waves his hands around like a maniac in hope of fitting in
17:03 druthb http://xkcd.com/224/
17:02 mtompset Oh. I was hoping for some scary awesome code.
17:01 jcamins mtompset: http://xkcd.com/297/
17:00 mtompset druthb: I know what lisp is, but jcamins' reaction made it sound like he had just read some scary long lisp.
17:00 druthb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_(programming_language)
16:59 mtompset Where is this lisp thing you are referring to jcamins?
16:58 mtompset [off] why not add Paul for a trinity?
16:58 druthb [off] a juggernaut of cluelessness!
16:57 drojf if the wiki guy and the dvd guy team up they will be unstoppable
16:57 drojf maybe it's full moon on the list
16:56 drojf slaps for ever-he-one
16:56 mtompset Could be someone who wrote a whacky long Lisp statement.
16:56 jcamins The former, though if mtompset doesn't watch out, he may find himself with a cyclopsian eye facing off against a lisp parenthesis-armed druthb.
16:55 druthb "He"—pronoun without referent.
16:55 druthb jcamins: Vimal, or mtompset? or both?
16:55 mtompset Lisp parentheses at twenty paces?
16:55 mtompset Where is ebil, so I can give him his eye back? :P
16:54 jcamins Wow, he's really gunning for a slap-down.
16:54 * druthb gives mtompset the ebil eye.
16:54 mtompset That's what a serial scare-ist would say. :P
16:54 cait i want my share :P
16:54 jcamins Sacre bleu! Lisp parentheses at twenty paces!
16:54 cait don't eat anyone without me
16:54 cait bbl #koha
16:53 druthb I saw him post on Facebook earlier, mtompset, so I think he's really himself.
16:53 mtompset So this is looking like a serial scaring.
16:53 drojf i think that dvd person is demanding a duel
16:53 mtompset druthb: We never did confirm completely that gmcharlt isn't a bot.
16:53 * druthb is in a silly, silly mood today.
16:52 drojf lol
16:52 * druthb eats another slice of bread, just to make sure.
16:52 * drojf hides behind the huge bottle of ketchup
16:51 druthb !
16:51 cait druthb: jsut tell him you are not gluten free
16:51 * druthb watches drojf carefully.
16:51 jcamins Yeah, but trolls taste better.
16:51 drojf everyone tastes good with ketchup
16:46 druthb Do not meddle in the affairs of #koha, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup.
16:45 wahanui :)
16:45 druthb wahanui: botsnack internet trolls, with ketchup.
16:45 druthb :P
16:45 wahanui anyone is probably free to organize one at any time :-)
16:45 druthb anyone?
16:45 drojf :)
16:45 jcamins It helps to spell correctly.
16:44 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
16:44 jcamins more confetti!
16:44 jcamins more conefetti!
16:44 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
16:44 drojf confetti!
16:44 wahanui germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
16:44 druthb germs?
16:44 drojf :/
16:44 drojf hm. now i forgot how to do it
16:44 wahanui i think confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
16:44 drojf confetti?
16:44 drojf he remembers some things
16:43 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, oleonard
16:43 oleonard wahanui: For a bot who is designed to remember things you have a terrible memory
16:43 wahanui no idea, oleonard
16:43 oleonard wahanui: Who told you a robot is mean?
16:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #68 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:36 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10528: add unit tests for C4::Bookseller.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc7b5b10e737cc34452dfc6c061cd7c893f08983>
16:34 drojf [off] cooking it is. ;)
16:33 drojf [off] hm. cooking or writing angry emails to idiots
16:28 jcamins tcohen: the consensus seems to be that a node front-end is the way to go. :P
16:27 drojf noo, robots are cool. he's not a robot
16:26 drojf what? did i miss the fun part? :D
16:25 wahanui a robot is mean :)
16:25 cait drojf: and a robot?
16:25 * drojf is siding with tcohen and considering the hilton guy a spammer
16:09 jcamins Also, https://github.com/vti/pocketio
16:08 jcamins Oh, look at that: https://github.com/vti/sockjs-perl
16:08 jcamins But that's for node.js.
16:08 tcohen oh, i'll take a look
16:07 jcamins sockjs.ohdidyouwantthattobecomplicatedsorryiamactuallydonesettingupwebsocketswhydontyougohavesomecoffee()
16:07 jcamins It is very nice.
16:07 jcamins Actually, I'm using sockjs.
16:06 tcohen (node + socket.io would do it simpler i know)
16:06 jcamins tcohen: nope.
16:06 tcohen jcamins, have you done smth like that in perl?
16:05 jcamins tcohen++
16:05 tcohen websockets for writing a circulation dashboard with fancy graphics?
16:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #1389 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10645 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Missing zebra languages in koha-create manpage
16:00 jenkins_koha Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10645: adding missing zebra languages to koha-create manpage
16:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1388: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1388/
15:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Missing space between 100/700 $a and $c (MARC21/XSLT)
15:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10719 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , UT GetUpcomingDueIssues
15:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9820 follow-up: fix a typo
15:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9820: display titles in MARC21 name headings better in XSLT mode
15:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10719: (follow-up) clear existing loans before running circ tests
15:59 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10719 - UT GetUpcomingDueIssues
15:59 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #67: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/67/
15:56 mtompset [off] I already told him that he's likely to get less help if he doesn't do it the way the community advises. He reminds me of the Paul that we'd rather not think about.
15:54 tcohen [off] mtompset: yeah, i noted my mood after hitting 'send'. I'll skip every mail from that hilton guy
15:51 reiveune bye
15:45 kf bye all :)
15:43 gaetan_B bye !
15:37 druthb tcohen++
15:37 mtompset [off] tcohen: temper temper! Hope you don't have high blood pressure problems. :)
15:30 oleonard You need to have your CSS warnings display option set to "Global Warming Denier"
15:29 jcamins I guess I just never had CSS warnings set to display.
15:29 jcamins Okay.
15:29 oleonard Our CSS isn't fully valid because of hacks and vendor-specific stuff
15:29 jcamins Okay.
15:28 oleonard Yeah I think that's pretty standard
15:28 jcamins Before.
15:28 jcamins The display looks completely normal to me, but I don't remember ever noticing two screens full of CSS warnings.
15:28 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "FF is cranky" (61 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/187
15:27 oleonard Spazzed out?
15:27 jcamins oleonard: has FF always spazzed out about Koha's CSS?
15:22 mtompset [off] silly me, I replied again. :)
15:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #67 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10645 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Missing zebra languages in koha-create manpage
15:22 jenkins_koha Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10645: adding missing zebra languages to koha-create manpage
15:22 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #66: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/66/
15:21 mtompset tcohen++ # great idea!
15:20 tcohen [off] can we filter a FQDN in mailman?
15:16 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9820 follow-up: fix a typo <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e1ccd68aa0642167c2578d167ff3ec343df3a78> / Bug 9820: display titles in MARC21 name headings better in XSLT mode <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75959da681ae5f78e70dfd7205a22d16fd28ae38> / Bug 10719: (follow-up) clear existing loans before running circ tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/
15:05 oleonard [off] I'm sure it's going to be *my* email to the list that finally convinces him to use existing documentation
15:00 * kf hands oleonard a cookie anyway
15:00 kf oleonard: jcamins helped me out with some jquery :)
14:52 oleonard kf: I'm back
14:50 druthb Naah, those are all myths, like honest politicians and CEOs who are in it for the greater good. Angry baristas and hipsters are a known phenom, and they congregate in the Pacific Northwest.
14:50 gmcharlt mu
14:48 mtompset Don't you mean the cult of dagon which is somehow connected to the two tailed mermaid?
14:47 druthb I would say "aliens have replaced gmcharlt with a bot", but in Seattle—angry baristas are more likely than aliens.
14:47 mtompset Are we aiming for a name-based or port-based installation from source?
14:46 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10645: adding missing zebra languages to koha-create manpage <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=90cf2f3a265a741bc4d475077dc3a604a08e6192>
14:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1388 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:45 druthb ooooh. A bot that's been programmed with the jargon file.
14:44 gmcharlt mu
14:44 druthb mtompset: if gmcharlt answers "yes", then suspect a bot.
14:43 mtompset So are we the host or guest environment, gmcharlt? ;)
14:43 gmcharlt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
14:42 mtompset druthb is our prime suspect. ;)
14:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #66 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:42 mtompset kf, are you sure it really is gmcharlt and not some automated process?
14:42 * mtompset laughs.
14:42 * druthb gets off the phone with the FBI; she won't be going into Witness Protection after all.
14:41 druthb yay!
14:41 kf druthb: you are safe - gmcharlt is pushing patches ;)
14:41 jcamins Good plan.
14:40 mtompset Which reminds me... We've got 3 install.ubuntu type instructions in Koha right now, and I suppose I can work to prune clean them up for 3.14 today. :)
14:39 jcamins It has no practical use, and will only cause maintenance problems.
14:39 mtompset True.
14:38 jcamins Also, we shouldn't be recommending single.
14:38 mtompset Valid counter point.
14:37 jcamins (hint: no)
14:37 jcamins Well, look at it this way: would any of those people read the 15 documents you're proposing to write?
14:37 mtompset given the people posting on the mailing list, I don't think so.
14:36 jcamins INSTALL.{OS} is more than enough.
14:36 jcamins No, he meant that it's too much.
14:36 mtompset So when I suggested INSTALL.{OS}.{dev|standard|single} and gmcharlt said it was "too much, IMO -- at least at the top level", do you think he meant INSTALL.{dev|single|standard}.{OS} is a better ordering, but not necessarily that as the final solution?
14:36 kf doesn't look good for you
14:36 kf well evidence so far says you were the last to see him...
14:35 druthb I'm not scary! I'm a sweetie!
14:35 * druthb didn't do anythin!
14:35 * kf wonders that druthb did and if gmcharlt really managed to escape...
14:32 mtompset Thanks, jcamins.
14:29 jcamins huginn
14:28 mtompset which bot does @later?
14:28 mtompset And you done it good too.
14:27 druthb I skeered him off.
14:27 huginn` druthb: Quote #234: "<oleonard> I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado" (added by slef at 12:59 AM, March 01, 2013)
14:27 druthb @quote random
14:27 druthb lulz
14:26 mtompset Look what you did, druthb. ;)
14:26 huginn` mtompset: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 2 days, 21 hours, 41 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: * gmcharlt backs away slowly from druthb
14:26 mtompset @seen gmcharlt
14:24 mtompset Because I am sure someone, somewhere is going to think they know better and change the koha.list entry to say wheezy and not squeeze.
14:23 mtompset Out of curiosity, will Koha be making a wheezy repository?
14:17 drojf anyway. gotta finish some things and head home. later, #koha
14:16 mtompset And it's the official wiki one's that get updated the most frequently.
14:16 mtompset Exactly, drojf. Every release, you should to check the instructions again for the installation. Not that they will need updating, but sometimes they do.
14:14 mtompset But I'm hoping he will realize there are actually official tarball instructions which state that.
14:14 drojf that is the part i don't get. if you want to install with tarball… there are instructions for that too, on the wiki. why is it that people think they should do that "frozen snapshot of how i at one point installed koha" thing and send the link to everybody?
14:13 mtompset I suspect the person forgot to set __KOHA_USER__ and __KOHA_GROUP__ before the build.
14:12 mtompset Though, I did update the tarball instructions for ubuntu recently, so that the whole dselect mess is gone and replaced with the nice "sudo apt-get install koha-deps koha-perldeps"
14:11 drojf lol
14:11 mtompset I'm sure the person who shall not be named that I am sure we are thinking of will tell him how to do it all wrong. ;)
14:10 drojf he's not the first to try the "i'll do it my way until people refuse to help" thing *sigh*
14:09 mtompset No, drojf. Though, I really think that people can't grasp the idea that "free support" works best with "follow the official instructions".
14:08 drojf not too unfriendly?
14:08 drojf hi mtompset
14:07 mtompset Greetings, druthb.
14:07 druthb hi, mtompset!
14:07 mtompset Good reply, drojf. :)
14:05 Viktor drojf No - but I do recognize it in a slightly unflattering way.
14:04 drojf Viktor: do you have eduroam by any chance? ;)
14:04 Viktor drojf Let's hope not :) I do read the translate list, but I've gotta check if I'm on the main list. I've been getting zero mails from that one lately..
14:03 kf jcamins++ :)
14:03 Viktor droj My connection has dropped a lot today too :/
14:02 drojf but who knows… :D
14:02 drojf i don't think you get bad karma for not being on the list ;)
14:01 drojf Viktor: my wifi at university. i lose connection here a lot
14:00 Viktor And thanks for looking into the whole phone number thing people!
13:59 Viktor drojf whose wifi? Since I mentioned my wifi a little while ago the "unfriendly on the mailing list" part worries me a bit as I've not been on the list at all.
13:59 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658
13:59 kf oleonard-away: hm ping?
13:52 druthb kf!
13:51 drojf kf!
13:51 kf drojf! druthb!
13:51 * kf goes to check the mailing list
13:47 drojf or bad karma for being unfriendly on the mailing list
13:47 drojf it worked fine all day
13:47 drojf maybe the wifi just hates irc
13:47 drojf erm
13:46 drojf druthb! :)
13:46 druthb drojf!
13:46 drojf hi #koha
13:45 jcamins [off] /me chuckles at drojf's e-mail.
13:14 kf bgkriegel++
13:01 kf [off] i am ok with naming the people that actually do the work :)
12:59 jcamins [off] Oh, so he actually did release a DVD with the security fix?
12:59 tcohen [off] but he's name deserves to be mentioned (at least) more than 3.14.x's manager
12:58 tcohen [off] I agree zero-synergy is a problem
12:58 kf oleonard-away: thx :)
12:57 tcohen [off] he's been actually setting the live dvd after the 3.12.0 release
12:57 jcamins [off] I have no objection, but, out of curiosity, why?
12:57 tcohen [off] but a warning about synergy with the community is needed
12:56 tcohen [off] i think i should name him as live dvd manager for 3.12.x in the release notes
12:56 tcohen [off] ok, i've been digging on vimal's work
12:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9603 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Signed Off , Fix layout of Patron Card Creator Layout screen for display in IE
12:40 oleonard kf: Bug 9603 re-signed-off
12:35 kf hi tcohen :)
12:35 oleonard Much more indeed.
12:34 oleonard "SMS - widespread cleanup and moving code away from Cyprus/Turkey-specific implementation. Much more needed."
12:34 tcohen morning
12:33 magnuse (according to google translate)
12:31 magnuse huh? hard coded turkish strings? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=sms/sms_listen.pl;h=b36b25da46baa3e49b9c0ae77dbf40fa8f3715c8;hb=HEAD#l68
12:31 magnuse hehe
12:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7716 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Statistical/analytic item type
12:31 kf bug 7716
12:31 kf and now I did :) all it needed was saying that on #koha i guess
12:30 kf but can't find it!
12:30 kf i thought i had seen a bug report for adding statistical itemtypes...
12:30 kf hm
12:30 kf [off] epic.
12:28 magnuse [off] LOL!
12:27 oleonard [off] "I'm installing Koha using the instructions I made up. Why isn't it working?"
12:26 kf back in... with new patches
12:26 kf they keep slipping in I think
12:26 kf oleonard: ture
12:25 oleonard Unfortunately the OPAC still labels the "other phone" filed "mobile." We're not doing a very good job at keeping up with our own changes.
12:25 * jcamins had already finished typing by the time he saw kf's message. ;)
12:25 oleonard That's why we renamed it "primary"
12:25 magnuse smsalertnumber - the mobile phone number where the patron/borrower would like to receive notices (if SNS turned on)
12:24 oleonard The "primary phone" has to be whatever the patron wants as primary, whether it is mobile or land line
12:24 magnuse kf++
12:24 oleonard As kf reminds us the point is moot
12:23 jcamins oleonard: yeah, but all the old data is going to have landlines marked as primary.
12:23 oleonard Yeah, that's right
12:22 kf it shows up below the the messaging options iirc when you have an sms driver put in
12:22 oleonard jcamins: Tradition is old-fashioned
12:22 kf smsalertnumber or similar
12:22 kf oleonard: i tihnk the sms code looks for another field that is normally not visible
12:22 jcamins SMS is mobile-only.
12:22 jcamins Primary is traditionally a landline.
12:22 magnuse trying to find where it gets called
12:22 jcamins That doesn't seem right.
12:22 magnuse C4::SMS::send_sms() just takes a phone number as an argument
12:21 * magnuse tries to check
12:21 oleonard But no field should be specifically connected to "mobile." I hope the SMS code looks for "primary"
12:20 oleonard Yes, the labels on the patron detail page are switched with regard to the patron edit screen
12:19 magnuse i guess the real question is which field the sms code looks in...
12:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Emails & Phones On Patron Add/Edit form
12:18 magnuse looks like bug 5252 changed the labels of the fields in the ui
12:15 magnuse trying to follow up on this: <Viktor> I noted that the field "mobile phone" is called "other phone" in staff interface when editing, but displayed as "secondary phone" on the details..
12:14 oleonard Are you asking why it's called mobile if that's the description?
12:12 magnuse hm, the borrowers table has a "mobile" column, but the description says "the other phone number for your patron/borrower's primary address"
12:02 Viktor kf :)
12:02 kf even moving from one field to another is easy to do with sql
12:02 kf Viktor: if you have the data somewhere, not mixed up - there is not much to worry about i think
12:01 Viktor kf Thanks! Just knowing this makes me sleep better :) And sorry - lost my wifi while hooking up some hardware and had to share a 3G hotspot from the phone.
11:44 kf but we are not using sms - so i can't help more there than that I think
11:44 kf i think there is an additional field showing up when activating that
11:43 Viktor Knowing that notifications lights up when using SMS is good!
11:43 Viktor Thanks kf !
11:37 kf and field descripotions can be changed using jquery
11:37 kf just trying not to mix up numbers :)
11:37 kf we haven't used that, but if you agree on a field in th library that you use for mobile it should be fine
11:37 kf there is also an sms alertnumber... that only shows up when you have sms notices activated I think
11:37 kf Viktor: pick one and make that your mobile field
11:21 Viktor I'm a little worried about where to fetch the numbers for SMS services in the future. I guess we want to store it in the right field from the start..
11:19 Viktor Is there supposed to be no "mobile" field anymore kf?
11:19 kf ah taht sounds right
11:18 Viktor (in staff)
11:18 Viktor 3 - primar, secondary and other
11:18 kf are there 2 or 3 phone number fields?
11:17 kf Viktor: hm they got renamed a while ago, maybe a leftover inconsistency
11:06 Viktor Is this weirdness a feature I'm not aware of? :)
11:05 Viktor I noted that the field "mobile phone" is called "other phone" in staff interface when editing, but displayed as "secondary phone" on the details..
10:15 mtj no no, not too late :)
10:09 kf mtj: i feel it's maybe a bit late... but better late than never maybe :)
10:08 mtj (kf, thanks heaps for all your effort in organising this)
10:05 mtj yeah, its tricky alright
10:01 kf I'd just have liked to have a meeting to get things started a bit
10:00 kf if that doesn't work out, i will try to make more use of the mailing list
10:00 kf i thought so - it's really hard to find a time for our group
09:59 mtj yeah, 19 UTC for kiwis, i think
09:55 kf thx for answreing :)
09:55 kf mtj: 19 or 15 utc? ;) i guess 19 :)
09:41 kf hoping to restart the thread
09:41 kf mtj: :) gmcharlt is the only one who replied so far - you just happened to be there
09:40 mtj oops, yes sorry
09:40 kf sent it last thursday to koha-devel
09:40 kf mtj: could you reply to the new poll for a qa team meeting? I think it got a bit lost
09:35 mtj i guess a bunch of the places that are contributing to OL are providing their own dumps, on their servers
09:33 mtj rangi, thats good to hear
09:29 magnuse gah! s/convert it to marc/convert it to rdf/
09:29 rangi umich is one
09:29 magnuse i'd say a ton of marc records converted to rdf is less interesting than the software used to convert it to marc...
09:28 rangi a bunch of unis do too
09:28 magnuse gutenberg does marc and rdf: http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Offline_Catalogs#MARC_Records_.28automatically_generated.29
09:26 mtj awesome :)
09:26 mtj (the only other site i know that does MARC data-dumping is internet-archive/open-library)
09:25 kf mtj: i think rdf data is planned
09:24 mtj i think germany might be a 1st for MARC records, afaik
09:22 mtj magnuse, i have been seeing a bit of chatter about RDF on #koha, but i still need to read more about it
09:21 kf linked open data
09:20 kf it's kind of a trend here in Germany i think
09:10 mtj i've never seen anyone provide dumps of their MARC data
09:09 mtj kf, thats awesome, and a 1st for me
09:06 * Guest4505 slaps csharp around a bit with a large fishbot
09:05 magnuse or finish...
09:05 magnuse just wait until rangi and i finnish our rdf projects... ;-)
09:05 magnuse Linked_Open_Data++
09:03 kf mtj: that's our data :)
09:02 kf Especially this: https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:openaccess:swb
09:02 kf https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:openaccess:start
09:02 kf mtj: it is good news, but also:
09:01 magnuse dnb++
09:01 mtj kf, thats good news for you ^^ :p
09:01 magnuse hi mtj
09:01 kf hi mtj :)
09:00 mtj oooh, just spotted this -> http://blogs.ifla.org/bibliography/2013/08/06/german-national-library-offers-over-11-million-marc21-records-under-cc0-open-license
08:47 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.1°C (10:45 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
08:47 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:47 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.0°C (10:43 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:47 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:03 magnuse moin drojf
08:01 drojf hi kf and magnuse
08:01 kf morning drojf
08:01 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (9:43 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:01 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:01 drojf rgood morning #koha
08:01 kf very cool
07:58 * magnuse started a "koha in norway" facebook group on friday - 31 members so far
07:34 magnuse welcome back paul_p
07:33 magnuse and pappa in norwegian :-)
07:29 kf in German too :)
07:29 kf nah, now too slow
07:29 paul_p papa = do you know that in french papa=daddy ?
07:29 kf bye papa - have a nice evneing :)
07:29 kf had a nice one?
07:29 paul_p hello #koha ! I'm back from vacation this morning :\
07:29 papa gotta go, have a nice day all of you
07:28 kf :)
07:28 papa my even
07:28 papa mu pleasure
07:28 kf morning paul_p
07:28 kf thx for all your sign offs btw papa++ :)
07:28 papa depends on how much of that you want
07:28 papa or maybe 3/4
07:27 papa kf: well it is half way there now
07:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
07:27 magnuse bug 9611
07:27 kf but looks like it was there before
07:27 kf hm.
07:27 kf and i actually worry a bit about accepting null passwords
07:26 kf still you might agree that 9936 would be nice to have :)
07:26 kf yeah also understandable
07:26 papa my aim was to preserve :)
07:26 kf understandable
07:26 papa no idea, I just wanted to complete 9611 :)
07:24 kf wonder if that would help ther
07:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9936 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , SIP2 should use C4/Auth.pm for user authentication
07:24 kf I have opened bug 9936 a while ago
07:23 papa umm, that was not my intention, let me see
07:23 kf hm no i see it was there before. ew.
07:23 kf and maybe i misread
07:23 kf are you sure we want to do that?
07:22 kf the sip patch for 9611 has a note to accept null passwords
07:22 papa ok, we have 5 mins :)
07:22 kf i was just wondering about something in one of your patches
07:21 kf hi papa
07:19 papa heh, good evening
07:16 kf good morning #koha
07:15 magnuse gah, he escaped...
07:13 dcook ta all
07:13 dcook All right, I think that's late enough magnuse :p
06:48 dcook Tricksy, magnuse :p
06:46 cait bbiab :)
06:45 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B
06:45 * magnuse plots ways to keep dcook at work longer
06:44 gaetan_B hello
06:44 * magnuse suspects it can
06:44 dcook But it can't be nearly 5...
06:44 * dcook looks at the clock
06:43 dcook hey reiveune :)
06:43 reiveune hi dcook magnuse :)
06:41 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
06:41 magnuse @wunder boo
06:41 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
06:41 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:41 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:40 reiveune hello
06:14 magnuse needs signoff went from 165 to 141, which makes signed off going from 99 to 84 quite impressive
06:13 magnuse yay, well done folks!
06:13 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2013-08-23_Global_bug_squashing_day#Numbers
06:10 * magnuse does it now
06:10 magnuse gah! i forgot to round off gbsd! and collect the numbers
06:09 magnuse hiya dcook
06:09 dcook hey ya magnuse
06:08 * magnuse waves
05:30 * cait pushed down to 84
05:21 dcook :S
05:21 cait *grump* went to be with signed off down to 80 - now 85 again! :)
04:45 cait_ hi dcook
04:44 dcook hey ya cait_
04:44 dcook Writing POD is oddly focusing...
03:40 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha wizzyrea dcook jcamins. :)
03:39 mtompset Well, I'm going to call it a night.
03:36 mtompset Even wahanui knows them. ;)
03:36 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
03:36 mtompset coding guidelines?
03:33 dcook I think I might need to redo some of my work with new tables to meet the guidelines..
03:32 dcook It's a pretty good read. It's worth a gander :p
03:32 mtompset dcook: I don't think I'd be submitting patches if that were the case. ;)
03:30 wizzyrea heh
03:27 dcook Should almost have an automated quiz before being able to submit a patch :p
03:27 dcook I don't know if I've ever read the coding guidelines before...
03:13 jcamins His nick is julian_m, usually.
03:12 mtompset (not everyone matches up so clearly between IRC and git names)
03:12 jcamins Occasionally.
03:11 mtompset Does Julian come here on IRC at all?
03:10 jcamins However, all versions of git preserve authorship, because that's a significant part of the reason that git exists.
03:10 jcamins Yeah, that's because they were generated with different version numbers.
03:09 mtompset There is also an interesting variety in the version numbers on the git patches too (the very last line). :)
03:07 jcamins On line two or so.
03:07 jcamins All patches have authors.
03:07 jcamins Julian.
03:07 mtompset I couldn't tell... who is the original poster of the patch development?
03:06 jcamins mtompset: up to you.
03:06 mtompset jcamins: How long do you think I should wait on 6874 before posting my attempt at recreating?
02:48 mtompset there was a translation problem Daniel encountered that had a similar confusion.
02:47 mtompset Somehow is triggered a stargate sg-1 memory, but I can't remember the episode exactly.
02:45 jcamins Yes, and?
02:43 mtompset But I thought that was the french word for lost.
02:43 mtompset perdu?!
01:44 dcook Learn something new every day
01:44 dcook Hmm
01:44 dcook "In Québec, French toast is pain doré 'golden bread.' In Paris, French toast is pain perdu"
01:44 dcook Makes sense
01:44 dcook I like pain perdu though...
01:43 dcook Golden bread
01:43 dcook We call it pain dore in Canada
01:43 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
01:43 dcook Interesting..
01:43 jcamins French toast.
01:43 dcook Pain perdu?
01:42 * jcamins is reminded of that great literary work, A la recherche du pain perdu.
01:40 jcamins That or pain perdu.
01:39 dcook I think I only have stale bread...perhaps it's thai for lunch today...
01:38 dcook Ice cream is known to improve many other desserts
01:38 * dcook drools
01:38 jcamins Delicious even if the brownie is meh.
01:38 jcamins Hot brownie with green tea ice cream.
01:38 jcamins Mmm.
01:36 dcook Probably choose a different classification scheme for those 2400 items and split differently..
01:36 dcook Hmm, 130,000 items total...
01:36 dcook At 2400 items with these mixed call numbers...not entirely sure what the best bet is..
01:20 dcook Which makes sense with DDC
01:20 dcook not even a space
01:20 dcook Replaces / with nothing
01:20 dcook Ah, I see
01:19 dcook s/\///g;
01:19 wahanui somebody said so this was the situation im into
01:19 dcook So this...
01:18 dcook Mmm, true
01:17 jcamins Might as well say something.
01:16 jcamins Yeah.
01:16 dcook Hence my reluctance to post on the standing bug
01:16 dcook Well, that makes me feel a bit better at least
01:15 * dcook is a LCC person, so isn't super familiar with DDC
01:15 jcamins Yes.
01:15 dcook While the first part is ddc, the last part is entirely local, no?
01:15 jcamins o.O
01:15 dcook 361.250994 REP NO. 11/10
01:15 dcook Not entirely sure what to think about this call number:
01:13 mtompset I'm hoping the original author of the bug rebases it, so I don't have to post my attempted reconstruction of it.
01:13 dcook I think the community version is likely 100x better
01:13 dcook I think it conflicts with a local enhancement we have, but...I'll deal with that when the time comes
01:12 dcook Neato
01:12 mtompset well, enhancement.
01:11 mtompset It's a handy bug.
01:11 mtompset upload/delete.
01:11 mtompset upload/files files for 856$u.
01:11 dcook mtompset: Nice one. Which patch was that?
01:10 mtompset Just a tiny bump, related to other patches I was attempting to roll in our special blend. :)
01:10 mtompset Oh a happy-ish note... the patch I reconstructed for 6874 for master... applied nicely to 3.12.4 :)
01:08 dcook Always playing the fool :p
01:08 * dcook taps his nose
01:08 dcook Ahh
01:08 wahanui dcook: what?
01:08 dcook You know something we don't know, wahanui?
01:08 wahanui It'll all be over soon...
01:08 mtompset Good night.
01:08 jcamins Night.
01:08 tcohen [off] thanks for the input jcamins
01:07 tcohen night #koha
01:06 jcamins [off] If not, be sure and mention that.
01:06 jcamins [off] Did he release an updated version with the security patch?
01:05 jcamins [off] Which do you think? :P
01:05 tcohen [off] live dvd manager
01:05 dcook hey ya mtompset
01:05 jcamins dcook: oh, right. You said it wasn't in a loop. Okay, that's confusing.
01:05 mtompset [off] what position?
01:05 tcohen [off] that's a good advise jcamins
01:05 jcamins [off] Okay, that's not true. I usually ignore them.
01:05 dcook jcamins: But this is only looking at the last element in the @parts array :/
01:05 jcamins [off] I *always* respond to complaints on the list.
01:04 jcamins [off] I suggest responding to the list.
01:04 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. :)
01:04 tcohen [off] i'm considering telling him o'll propose removing that position in a near future
01:04 mtompset Greetings, #koha jcamins dcook. :)
01:04 jcamins dcook: because usually you'd split on /
01:04 tcohen [off] he is
01:03 jcamins [off] He's whining more?
01:03 tcohen [off] i'm about to reply Vimal Kumar that he won't appear in my future release notes, as I opted to list the current contributor
01:03 * dcook whips out git blame
01:02 dcook It does make me wonder why that regexp exists in the first place...
01:02 dcook But now that I think about it...this is coming from a cataloguer that is extraordinarily competent...so maybe it is actually worth adding to the bug...
01:02 dcook I was thinking that this was probably a non-standard call number
01:01 dcook Not recently
00:59 wahanui that one is, like, down more often than up
00:59 jcamins That one.
00:59 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm
00:59 jcamins @query standing label
00:59 jcamins You've looked at the bug on that?
00:57 wizzyrea righty o
00:57 dcook Thanks, jcamins, for the explanation :)
00:57 dcook Label.pm
00:57 dcook Label printing
00:57 dcook O_o
00:56 wizzyrea lol yes, but in which module, for example?
00:56 dcook So that 11/10 comes out on one line rather than two
00:55 wizzyrea for what purpose?
00:55 dcook :/
00:55 dcook Probably going to make another callnumber splitting sub that just doesn't have it
00:55 wizzyrea hehe
00:55 dcook wizzyrea: Just to understand regex in this case :p
00:55 dcook I was thinking of it as a set but it's not a set..
00:54 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
00:54 wizzyrea the first question?
00:54 dcook Ahh, bloody dashes..
00:53 jcamins That looks like the sort of thing that would be in a loop.
00:53 jcamins Huh.
00:53 jcamins And as long as it's not a dash, the second one splits it on that first non-numeric character.
00:53 dcook Mmm, nope, I don't see a loop
00:53 jcamins The first one is making sure that it doesn't look like 1-1.
00:52 jcamins I imagine it's in a loop?
00:52 dcook That the second one...matches anything starting with a digit and ending in a non-digit, but that doesn't make sense either..
00:52 jcamins No, that's what the regex is for.
00:52 dcook I would think not match..
00:52 dcook I'm trying to figure out if that's because it matches or does not match that regex
00:51 dcook Right
00:51 jcamins $2 starts with the first non-digit character.
00:50 jcamins Yes, that makes sense.
00:50 dcook If "11/10" goes in...$1 = 11 and $2 = /10
00:49 jcamins Ah.
00:49 dcook Callnumber splitting
00:49 jcamins What is it for?
00:48 dcook The second doesn't group them..
00:47 dcook The first regex...starting or ending with anything except a newline...with just digits inbetween
00:46 dcook Nope, maybe I don't get it
00:46 dcook Group it into two new elements?
00:45 dcook And
00:45 dcook If the last array element isn't entirely digits?
00:45 dcook if ($parts[-1] !~ /^.*\d-\d.*$/ && $parts[-1] =~ /^(.*\d+)(\D.*)$/) {
00:45 dcook Whoa...I think I just understood a regular expression...