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23:59 wizzyrea there are some changes as to how authors are catalogued as well
23:57 dcook Projected publication date of 1310, eh?
23:55 dcook And the permalink I guess..
23:54 dcook http://lccn.loc.gov/2013032917
23:54 dcook I've noticed they don't display 336,337,338 in the brief record. Only the full record tab.
23:53 * dcook tries to find some RDA records in LoC
23:53 dcook The second indicator does help in terms of figuring out what to display for label text (provided they've been catalogued according to spec)
23:53 dcook They probably had handling for the 264 as well
23:52 dcook I took a gander a while ago at the Library of Congress catalogue, but the only thing I noticed were the 336,337,338
23:52 dcook That would be awesome :)
23:52 dcook wizzyrea++
23:51 wizzyrea I'm hoping to get people to file bugs about it.
23:51 dcook I haven't heard about what other tags people are wanting though
23:51 dcook I did add in the 336, 337, 338, and 264 into our XSLT recently
23:50 wizzyrea mostly the XSLT's
23:50 dcook The templates then?
23:50 dcook (Although their hidden attributes might need to be edited so that data isn't lost when a record is opened and saved again)
23:50 wizzyrea it's not about the frameworks.
23:50 dcook Thanks to bgkriegel and others who have worked on the frameworks, the new frameworks should have up to date tags
23:49 dcook What does displayed properly mean though?
23:49 wizzyrea lots of people bringing in RDA records that aren't displayed properly.
23:48 dcook Why might that be?
23:48 dcook wizzyrea: Oh?
23:48 wizzyrea looks like proper RDA support is going to have to be something high on the priority list very soon.
23:41 dcook morning #koha
23:32 cjh heh
23:25 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
23:24 mtompset Really? #koha+ sounds lib... nah, won't go there.
23:24 * mtompset doesn't know if he should make the joke....
23:22 drojf cjh: lol. that sounds very attractive ;)
23:20 cjh drojf: for a small payment of $49.99/month we can upgrade you to #koha+
22:53 wizzyrea (unless he wants to. :P)
22:52 wizzyrea you may not have him!
22:52 drojf i consider keeping him :P
22:51 drojf eythian++ # making edge open a website and summoning a schienenschleifwagen
22:48 rangi heh
22:48 drojf we really have to talk about the service in here. what if i'd be a koha novice in desperate need of help?
22:42 drojf evening
22:21 dani1 ha!
22:15 wizzyrea dani1 ^
22:15 wizzyrea http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/56234257935/koha-irc-regulars-when-someone-new-shows-up-in
22:13 dani1 I am sure I will be back for more.
22:11 wizzyrea ya hop in and ask questions anytime
22:08 wizzyrea ^.^
22:08 dani1 thanks! That didn't even hurt. ;)
22:08 wizzyrea cool, welcome to the community :)
22:08 dani1 OK. Got it.
22:08 wizzyrea right
22:08 wizzyrea maybe that was 3.12
22:07 dani1 So, her choice is fee removed or not, instead of max fines per item...
22:07 wizzyrea i am pretty sure 3.10 but.... eeeee... not sure
22:07 cait just not sure which version
22:07 cait it is
22:07 wizzyrea I think it's a syspref
22:07 wizzyrea but yea, I recall that there was a change to flip the switch as to whether the charge is removed
22:05 dani1 no wizzyrea, looking now
22:05 wizzyrea ^^
22:04 cait dani1: did you check for lost configuration options in the system preferences?
22:04 dani1 Well, we are trying to decide how to set up a new library. Director wants max fine or some fine to be charged for long overdues that get turned in 100 days late.
22:04 wizzyrea so no, currently you have only the across the board max fine
22:03 wizzyrea ;)
22:03 wizzyrea either way, pretty new feature ;0
22:03 dani1 no 3.10
22:03 wizzyrea that's cool I didn't realise that
22:03 cait maxfine got moved to the circulation matrix
22:03 wizzyrea dani1: are you running 3.12?
22:03 cait wizzyrea: in 3.12
22:03 cait wizzyrea: hm there is
22:03 wizzyrea there's an across the board maximum
22:03 cait dani1: do you run the fines script?
22:03 wizzyrea but there is no per item max
22:02 cait hm yes, they wouldn#t get removed
22:02 rangi they are done with a different fines script
22:02 rangi they do
22:02 wizzyrea I think the fines charged prior to long overdue still stand though
22:02 cait if you search for lost in administration it might turn up
22:02 cait there is a system preference for that now - it's something with refund
22:02 dani1 but when the book is returned the replacement price is removed
22:02 cait if it works like the other lost status
22:02 wizzyrea there's an option for that, yes
22:02 cait when it's set to long overdue (I think)
22:02 cait book
22:01 cait they should be charged the replacement price for the bug
22:01 dani1 yes. So I patron could turn in a book 100 days overdue and not get charged anything?
22:01 cait wasn't it removed from the patron account with long overdue?
22:01 cait hm
22:01 dani1 is this because there is no per-item max?
22:00 dani1 OK. if a book have been changed to long overdue, and then later returned. I know the fine is removed, but no max late fine is charged?
22:00 cait we do use fines tho :)
22:00 cait we will try to help, but i have never used the long overdue script, so ont sure how much help i can be there
22:00 dani1 hello
21:59 cait hi dani
21:58 dani1 hello, newbie here with a question about fines and long overdues.
21:15 magnuse oh well, have fun #koha!
21:12 magnuse rangi++
21:12 rangi i even fixed the typo u spotted :)
21:11 * magnuse hopes for sooner rather than later ;-)
21:11 rangi ill submit as patches at some point
21:10 rangi magnuse: its all pushed up
21:10 magnuse or "likes talking", your choice
21:10 * magnuse like stalking to himeslf late at night
21:10 * magnuse is working on an rdf browser for the opac
21:09 * magnuse hopes rangi will submit what he has - saving records as rdf in a triplestore is an excellent start, we can do the ui for enhancing the data + sparql.koha-community.org later :-)
21:07 magnuse wb rangi
21:06 rangi back
21:06 * magnuse wants to see maximum harm inflicted on MARC and its minions
21:05 magnuse nah, didn't he really tag along to make sure don quixote didn't inflict too much harm on himself and others?
21:03 magnuse hey, maybe i can be sancho panza?
21:03 * magnuse cheers rangi on
21:00 cjh morning
20:51 cait oh that fits of course
20:51 * gmcharlt grabs a cookie and starts nibbling too
20:51 gmcharlt cait: Man of La Mancha
20:48 * cait nibbles on a cookie and tries to be quiet
20:47 cait jcamins: i am sorry, i don't get the reference, quite sure tho there is one?
20:29 jcamins I shall impersonate- a man. Come, enter into my imagination and see him! Bony, hollow-faced, with eyes that burn with the fire of inner vision. He conceives of the strangest project ever imagined... to reform library data, abolishing all MARC!
20:26 druthb :D
20:26 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
20:26 druthb cookies?
20:25 cait cookies always work, right?
20:25 * cait tries handing a cookie
20:24 oleonard Bye #koha
20:19 * oleonard hands rangi a poncho
20:18 * gmcharlt hands rangi a Don Quixote badge
20:02 rangi but i like tilting at windmills
20:02 rangi it wont work
20:02 rangi we can show how you can copy catalogue
20:01 rangi and a way for others to grab that
20:01 rangi my theory is, if there is a way for a koha library to push its enhanced rdf
20:01 rangi it looks similar to sql
20:00 rangi you can do thinks like INSERT { rdf goes here }
20:00 rangi that you query with sparql
20:00 rangi a sparql endpoint you can think of as a database
19:59 rangi im thinking somethign like that but for rdf
19:59 oleonard I understood some of those words.
19:59 rangi have you seen http://ratings.koha-community.org/
19:59 rangi then i want a way, to 'publish' it
19:59 rangi next, i want to add the ability when in the staff site, to enrich that record, ie spawn a search of VIAF and link that, and then save that enhanced rdf
19:58 rangi oleonard: so far, in my rdf branch, when you add or modify a biblio, it converts it to rdf and stores it as NTriples in a designated sparql endpoint
19:58 jcamins We don't have data in MARC, we have data in Bibframe^0, which looks like MARC.
19:58 jcamins Bibframe is where it's at.
19:58 jcamins Bibframe is the future.
19:58 jcamins rangi: I don't think you understand.
19:57 oleonard sparql?
19:56 * gmcharlt hands rangi a shiny simolean
19:56 rangi someone win lotto for me
19:56 rangi which means i need to finish my stuff, and make sparql.koha-community.org and the button in koha to push/pull from it
19:55 rangi yeah
19:53 gmcharlt and I think it will need to go beyond "in theory Linked Data means more sharing! lower cataloguing costs!" to "in actuality..."
19:52 * oleonard shudders... "x thousand!"
19:52 gmcharlt well, any successor to MARC is going to have to *prove* a real benefit ... certainly RDA per se has made a lot of folks suspicious
19:51 rangi 'but we just spent x thousand on converting to RDA!!'
19:51 rangi my main issue with RDA is the time and money being invested in it, will make people even slower to move from MARC
19:50 rangi *nod*
19:50 gmcharlt but my impression is that those are nowadays subsumed in the BIBFRAME effort
19:50 rangi they lost tho
19:50 rangi i was cheering for them
19:50 rangi *nod*
19:49 gmcharlt to be fair, there were efforts during the RDA process by some folks to achieve more of a detachment from MARC
19:48 rangi heheh
19:48 gmcharlt rangi: of course they're not dependent on MARC! You can always hand-write catalog cards based on RDA and AACR2 rules!
19:48 rangi that i think RDA is no more separate from MARC than AACR2 is
19:48 rangi but they are tied so heavily to what goes in what subfield and what indicator , adn 264 being better than 260
19:47 rangi i mean i understand that AACR2 and RDA are supposedly cataloguing rules
19:47 rangi *nod*
19:47 oleonard If RDA wasn't MARC how could we be seeing RDA records coming out of library catalogs already?
19:46 cait [off] i guess you'd have to pay for that privilege... couldn't spot lots of marc in the rda toolkit descriptions
19:45 rangi ive yet to see it defined in any way other than what marc fields it uses
19:45 cait you can certainly think that
19:45 cait we export marc
19:45 rangi actually i think that makes it even worse
19:45 cait and they will do that here... because our databases are internally not marc
19:45 rangi just no one has or does?
19:45 cait yes i think you can
19:44 rangi ?
19:44 rangi but can you represent it in anything other than MARC
19:44 rangi yes
19:44 cait my coworker spend like 3 hours trying to explain it to me... no guarantees i gotit right :)
19:43 cait rangi: it is more modified aacr... for the idea of it
19:43 cait rangi: it is not really...
19:42 rangi https://twitter.com/3windmills/status/369832361049202688
19:42 rangi did RDA suddenly not become modified MARC?
19:42 rangi hmm am i missing something
19:17 mtompset druthb: I was surprised at how well I did 400m's the other day. Of course, it was a bad time in general, but much better than I thought.
19:16 mtompset removing_dead_code++
19:16 druthb I don't *have* to outrun a zombie apocalypse, mtompset. I just have to outrun *you* when we get caught in one.
19:15 mtompset Come on! Zombies are cool. And what about Ezekiel and the dry bones, or Jesus? :P
19:15 druthb zombies--
19:14 oleonard reviving_dead_corpses--
19:14 magnuse removing_dead_code++
19:04 oleonard +1
19:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10771 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , three disused scripts in misc/cronjobs/stats should be removed
19:03 gmcharlt oleonard: bug 10771
18:54 oleonard Anyway, we definitely don't use it.
18:53 oleonard ...but it also means that it is *very* old
18:53 oleonard Hm, if it was authored by my former boss then I guess it might not be lies...
18:52 oleonard Filthy lies!
18:52 gmcharlt oleonard: admittedly, it was only an allegation that ACPL ever used it at all :)
18:51 oleonard gmcharlt: That doesn't sound familiar
18:51 gmcharlt oleonard: do your library still use misc/cronjobs/stats/monthly_circulation_statistics.pl ?
18:50 magnuse oh and please remember to store your pin codes (passwords) as plain text
18:50 magnuse oleonard: of course they do!
18:49 oleonard magnuse: Right, because the months come in alphabetical order right?
18:49 * druthb shudders
18:48 gmcharlt magnuse: 1899 was an excellent year, don't you agree?
18:48 magnuse oh and don't forget to format your dates like so: 11-JUN-99
18:46 cait see commentson that post
18:45 mtompset There exist people with no name?
18:43 oleonard Which one? The one you don't know about until after you've developed your database I guess.
18:39 mtompset That's a bizarre link. 5 years?! You have to be kidding me. What culture waits 5 years to name the kid?
18:35 gmcharlt http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/
18:34 * druthb digs through her change, and puts in INR64, not having a dollar handy.
18:33 druthb oooh.
18:33 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, druthb
18:33 druthb awesome!
18:33 druthb hm.
18:32 magnuse it's something called "library IT". it's different from other kinds of IT.
18:32 magnuse no kidding, i'm afraid
18:31 mtompset magnuse: Are you kidding?! That's so bad it's good.
18:30 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins
18:30 jcamins magnuse: awesome!
18:30 cait sounds fun?
18:29 magnuse moahahah, a database with a table with columns called FIRST_NAME_1, FIRST_NAME_2, FIRST_NAME_3, FIRST_NAME_4 and FIRST_NAME_5
18:27 magnuse enjoy your dinner cait
18:26 cait thx :)
18:26 ccsrgabrielle Ok thanks! Have a good dinner :)
18:25 cait maybe easiest is doing a rnewal and look at the newest entries in the statistics table to see how it looks like
18:24 cait i am not sure which column and should take time to eat some dinner :)
18:24 cait you will query the statistics table
18:23 ccsrgabrielle cait: Ok. And how can i point it in my SQL report?
18:21 cait i mean after changing the setting
18:21 cait ccsrgabrielle: but only for rneewals made from the point on you change it
18:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1492 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED FIXED, MARC subfields structure: can't switch to tab with label "@"
18:21 magnuse bug 1492?
18:19 wahanui In fourteen hundred ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
18:19 jcamins 1492?
18:19 wahanui OK, jcamins.
18:19 jcamins wahanui: 1492 is <reply> In fourteen hundred ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
18:19 wahanui jcamins: I forgot 1492
18:19 jcamins wahanui: forget 1492
18:17 wahanui 1492 is In fourteen hundred ninety-two. Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
18:17 mtompset 1492?
18:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1379: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1379/
18:13 huginn` oleonard: bag was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 22 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <bag> pianohacker: rancor
18:13 oleonard @seen bag
18:09 ccsrgabrielle Ok thanks, i will try it! :)
18:08 gmcharlt ccsrgabrielle: yes
18:04 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:04 oleonard wahanui: 1492 is In fourteen hundred ninety-two. Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
18:04 ccsrgabrielle cait: Okay, so if i set OpacRenwealBranch to "OpacRenew" i will be able to know how many renewals were made in the OPAC?
18:03 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:03 oleonard wahanui: 3.2 is Koha 3.2.0 was released 22 October 2010
18:03 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.2
18:03 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.2
18:02 wahanui 3.2 is really old so i have no idea. but drojf's guess is that it does not make a difference how old koha is but what version of zebra you use
18:02 oleonard 3.2?
18:02 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:02 oleonard wahanui: 3.4 is Koha 3.4.0 was released 22 April 2011
18:02 ccsrgabrielle Okay, so if i set OpacRenwealBranch to "OpacRenew" i will be able to know how many renewals were made in the OPAC?
18:02 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.4
18:02 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.4
18:02 wahanui 3.4 is, like, still on schedule
18:02 oleonard 3.4?
18:02 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:02 oleonard wahanui: 3.6 is Koha 3.6.0 was released 22 October 2011
18:02 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.6
18:02 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.6
18:01 wahanui ...but 3.6 is more relevant...
18:01 oleonard wahanui: 3.6 is Koha 3.6.0 was released 22 October 2011
18:01 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:01 oleonard wahanui: 3.8 is Koha 3.8.0 was released 23 April 2012
18:01 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.8
18:01 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.8
18:01 cait otherwise I am afraid there is maybe no way to tell
18:01 wahanui ...but 3.8 is very stable...
18:01 oleonard wahanui: 3.8 is Koha 3.8.0 was released 23 April 2012
18:00 cait ccsrgabrielle: it will record opacrenewals if it's set to OpacRenew
18:00 ccsrgabrielle Okay. But it looks to be only for the branch and not to know if the renewals were made in the OPAC or in the intranet?
17:59 wahanui OK, oleonard.
17:59 oleonard wahanui: 3.10 is Koha 3.10 was released 23 November 2012
17:59 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.10
17:59 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.10
17:59 cait so not really new at all :)
17:57 gmcharlt ccsrgabrielle: 3.6 or later, looks like
17:57 wahanui 3.10 is released November 22.
17:57 cait 3.10?
17:57 cait not that new really... maybe 3.8?
17:56 cait hm not sure
17:56 cait it will only record it i think when that is set to OPACRenew
17:56 ccsrgabrielle in wich version?
17:56 magnuse oleonard: you don't believe in teaching * dogs new tricks?
17:56 cait ccsrgabrielle: OpacRenewalBranch
17:55 cait let me look it up
17:55 cait ccsrgabrielle: i think you only can do that in newr versions when there is a speciic system preference set
17:47 ccsrgabrielle Hello! Does anyone know if there is a way to differentiate renewals made in the intranet vs renewals made in the OPAC? I need it for an SQL report
17:40 alphaman oleonard: I'm a sysadmin… ;)
17:39 * mtompset waves back to cait. :)
17:39 * cait waves tiredly
17:39 oleonard :P
17:38 jcamins :)
17:37 jcamins Well- you can access the source code, it's just read-only.
17:37 jcamins oleonard: Lots of people think that sort of thing. As it happens, I just heard about a service that will provide you with your own Koha, gratis! Unfortunately, source code access is not included.
17:36 * oleonard then remembers he isn't a system administrator
17:36 * oleonard keeps thinking he should grow up and get VPS hosting so he could run his own Koha
17:33 magnuse mtompset: i use linode - they have a datacenter in london, and i have been quite happy with them (if that was the sort of thing you were thinking of)
17:28 oleonard http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/continent/#europe
17:26 mtompset We are in the midst of evaluating moving our hosting to another site, preferably in Europe, any suggestions as to sites good for hosting Koha on at low cost?
17:23 mtompset jcamins++
17:22 mtompset Ooo... interesting enhancement. Thanks, jcamins!
17:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC
17:20 jcamins Either upload them manually or sign off on bug 6874?
17:19 mtompset If I have a bunch of PDF files (for example), which I would like to have usable links in 856$u, what is the best way to serve these files from a Koha Server?
17:17 jcamins "Apache configuration should not display Indexes" ?
17:16 mtompset Any ideas on what to call the patch?
17:15 magnuse mtompset: one way to find out is to submit a patch :-)
17:14 mtompset Greetings, druthb!
17:14 druthb Hi, mtompset
17:14 mtompset I was wondering if anyone would be adverse to a patch for the apache-shared.conf that adds a -Indexes on the Options line at the end.
17:13 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #1379 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10628 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , AutomaticItemReturn prevents holds queue from filling local holds with local items
17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8670 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax
17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10763 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax
17:01 gmcharlt depending on how it tests, I wouldn't be opposed to it supplantly CCSR in 3.14 as well
17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax
17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10765 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax
17:01 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling local holds with local items
17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax
17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax
17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax
17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10765 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax
17:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1378: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1378/
17:00 oleonard But later to become the single default theme--I hope!
17:00 oleonard Just a third theme in 3.14
16:59 magnuse or will prog, ccsr and this new theme all be options in 3.14?
16:59 magnuse what's the plan again - will it replace prog in 3.14?
16:59 magnuse sounds good to me
16:58 gmcharlt or simply -- "here's my branch in a Git repo that has the patch with my signoff"
16:58 gmcharlt magnuse: a statement to the effect of (a) I've tested the patch (b) I am willing to signoff on it (c) I authorize somebody up the line to add a Signed-off-by line to the commit message accordingly would be sufficient IMO
16:56 magnuse oleonard, kf: couldn't positive comments on the bug just count as signoffs then?
16:50 gaetan_B bye !
16:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10628 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , AutomaticItemReturn prevents holds queue from filling local holds with local items
16:21 jenkins_koha Kyle M Hall: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling local holds with local items
16:21 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #59: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/59/
15:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #1378 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10081 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , IndependentBranches error message missing the library name
15:46 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message
15:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1377: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1377/
15:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #59 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8670 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax
15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10763 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax
15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax
15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10765 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax
15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax
15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax
15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax
15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10765 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax
15:42 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #58: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/58/
15:40 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d46657f8af980524a4351e40abe0b901d1af3e6a>
15:21 oleonard I'm not sure how signoffs should be handled since a patch would be too large to upload to Bugzilla
15:19 kf oleonard: it would be great to get someone test accessibility, but i am not sure how to do that
15:19 kf oleonard: not sure how much the qa team can do - we shoudl try to get some sign-offs first ideally - maybe also people could note somewhere what they tested... hm.
15:18 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 30.0°C (10:18 AM CDT on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
15:18 druthb @wunder 77098
15:16 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 21.3°C (5:12 PM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
15:16 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
15:14 reiveune bye
15:12 oleonard Yes
15:12 gmcharlt oleonard: http://gitorious.org/koha-dev/koha-dev/commits/bootstrap-opac is the current branch, correct?
15:10 oleonard Thanks gmcharlt
15:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #58 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10081 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , IndependentBranches error message missing the library name
15:04 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message
15:04 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #57: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/57/
15:04 gmcharlt I'll also point a WCAG validator against a fresh install of it this week
15:02 oleonard That makes sense. I've done my best to track each new commit to the OPAC templates.
15:01 gmcharlt also, a plain old announcement to koha-devel wouldn't hurt
15:01 gmcharlt another thing that might help is identifying any pending OPAC template bugs that may be of higher priority than the Bootstrap theme -- and get some attention on those so that we minimize rebase iterations
14:59 gmcharlt oleonard: one idea is to see if the QA folks are willing to put it on their agenda for the metting that kf has called
14:58 oleonard (as far as I know from my own testing)
14:58 oleonard But really it's almost ready for signoff.
14:58 oleonard Daniel is going to include a note about it in the newsletter. so perhaps that will lead to more feedback.
14:57 oleonard What do you think I can do to help it along the process?
14:57 drojf you did not ask if gmcharlt has time for a second question…
14:57 oleonard I think my Bootstrap OPAC theme is getting very close to being ready. I have a couple of minor issues still to resolve.
14:56 gmcharlt yes
14:56 oleonard gmcharlt: Do you have time for a question?
14:48 oleonard gmcharlt++
14:47 druthb gmcharlt++
14:47 gmcharlt website back up; there appears to have been a DDOS / attempt to compromise the WP login about four hours ago
14:38 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ae3ea68579b3f870d7e42968c3727ecffac7f02> / Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=54c6dccca70a142c14fff049cb3212694af86610> / Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to
14:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #1377 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:28 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=50ff4f4a94598ce197c0ca5656d314195cf69d07>
14:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #57 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:15 oleonard sql_library++
14:15 druthb also very yummy treat on a hot day.
14:15 druthb kf: frozen lemonade. It's a good brain-freeze maker.
14:12 gmcharlt drop in the bucket compared to whatever is overloading it at the moment
14:12 gmcharlt heh
14:12 oleonard gmcharlt: That's going to be hard to do with all of us checking the web site to see what you're talking about
14:11 kf frozen lemonade?
14:11 * gmcharlt is working on getting the website back up
13:50 wahanui OK, oleonard.
13:50 oleonard wahanui: Brain freeze is <reply> Slow down, tiger.
13:50 druthb lol
13:50 magnuse lol
13:50 oleonard brain freeze?
13:49 wahanui OK, oleonard.
13:49 oleonard wahanui: String freeze is 31 October 2013
13:49 wahanui oleonard: I forgot string freeze
13:49 oleonard wahanui: forget string freeze
13:49 wahanui hmmm... string freeze is 24:00 8th October
13:49 oleonard string freeze?
13:48 wahanui OK, oleonard.
13:48 oleonard wahanui: Feature freeze is 3 October 2013
13:47 wahanui release dates are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt#Timeline
13:47 kf tcohen: release dates?
13:42 wahanui thanks druthb :)
13:42 druthb wahanui: botsnack frozen lemonade
13:41 wahanui druthb: I forgot feature freeze
13:41 druthb wahanui: forget feature freeze
13:40 tcohen you are outdated wahanui
13:39 wahanui feature freeze is march 22nd 2013
13:39 tcohen feature freeze?
13:34 liw oleonard, then more of #koha would be even healthier!
13:22 oleonard Thanks druthb, I think I'm getting a healthy dose of #koha for now :)
13:19 oleonard jcamins' reach knows no bounds
13:18 * druthb offers to set up a bip server for oleonard.
13:18 * jcamins has ops! He could accidentally kick someone then say evil things about them!
13:18 * oleonard gives jcamins the evil eye
13:18 oleonard Oh no, I never thought of that!
13:17 druthb yep. I don't miss things that way. jcamins can't say evil things about me, even with [off].
13:16 liw bip is nice
13:16 liw druthb, so one of your external brains is on #koha continuously :)
13:07 * druthb uses bip for that.
13:07 oleonard When we all get our Google Glasses we can have #koha running constantly in a corner of our vision
13:06 * kf wonders who would spend 20 hours in #koha
13:04 * oleonard is neither constantly connected to IRC even when away from his computer nor young enough to spend 20 hours a day here
13:03 druthb we all miss you when you're not here, oleonard.
13:03 druthb heh
13:02 oleonard wahanui is overly concerned with my whereabouts.
13:02 wahanui somebody said oleonard was not really here. He said so. He did!
13:02 kf oleonard!
13:01 tcohen drojf! oleonard!
13:00 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
13:00 druthb oleonard!
13:00 drojf ;)
13:00 drojf tcohen!
13:00 wahanui it has been said that oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did!
13:00 drojf oleonard!
13:00 oleonard tcohen! druthb! drojf! kf! wahanui!
12:54 druthb :)
12:54 drojf but the sun is shining ;)
12:54 drojf druthb: fascist as yesterday
12:54 drojf druthb!
12:53 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
12:53 magnuse druthb!
12:53 druthb magnuse! tcohen!
12:52 wahanui tcohen is 122
12:52 magnuse tcohen!
12:52 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
12:52 magnuse druthb!
12:52 kf druthb: cloudy here but nice
12:52 kf tcohen!
12:52 kf druthb!
12:51 tcohen morning #koha
12:50 druthb kf! drojf! How's Germany today?
12:12 kf :)
12:11 Viktor It is :)
12:11 drojf nice! :)
12:10 Viktor drojf True :) No promises though. But we do have funding for 2014 for a few of our top priorities.
12:09 Viktor kf - That might very well catch quite a lot of the necessary examples.
12:09 drojf patches welcome ;)
12:09 Viktor oleonard Hm. As long as it's not too much work I guess we'd still want to get it done. Thanks for looking into it.
12:08 kf Viktor: if it's transport, maybe it shows on the transports to receive (something like that) page?
12:08 Viktor magnuse :)
12:06 oleonard Looks like issuehistory.pl queries issues and old_issues, so it would have to be reworked to include the check-in library.
12:05 magnuse Viktor++
12:03 Viktor I'll add it for our 2014 wishlist then jcamins :) I'm noting all the stuff we find during the autumn and plan to tick at least a few off the list next year.
12:02 jcamins Viktor: I don't think there's any option to do that now, but I think that could be added.
11:58 Viktor Just trying to make shure that we don't start writing an request for enhancment on stuff that's already available :)
11:57 Viktor We'd like a simple way to se where books that has gone missing in transport was returned.
11:57 Viktor That would be useful I think oleonard - thanks.
11:56 oleonard Viktor: I don't know what issuehistory.pl queries, but I see that the statistics table saves a branch code for entries with type='return'
11:54 Viktor Is it possible to display _where_ a book was returned on issuehistory.pl?
11:53 Viktor Hi!
11:48 drojf i won't tell you what's missing, that would be counter-productive to my plan of being lazy
11:47 oleonard Hi all
11:47 wahanui oleonard: sorry...
11:47 oleonard wahanui: That made no sense.
11:47 wahanui yw
11:47 kf um thx wahanui
11:47 wahanui missing is usualy library only, an item that's not out
11:47 kf and what's missing?
11:47 kf hmm not sure - was it me asking for changes?
11:46 drojf so i better not change anything to my bug that passed qa, right? ;)
11:46 kf except for bug fixes
11:45 kf well stop submitting code until we have caught up would work for me
11:45 drojf people should go on vacation more often and stop submitting code :P
11:44 drojf needs signoff is ridiculously high too
11:44 drojf goodness
11:43 magnuse looking at the queue of signed off patches, i'm ready to agree to a "poor qam and qa people", yes
11:43 * drojf hides
11:42 drojf yay RDA
11:39 kf poor qa people?
11:39 kf hmpf poor qam?
11:29 magnuse poor gmcharlt ;-)
11:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10344 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add RDA support to Koha
11:29 magnuse bug 10344
11:28 magnuse yeah, that qam...
11:26 magnuse drojf: oh noes, the qa team culdn't leave it alone?
11:26 drojf i remember some qa manager asking about changes ;)
11:25 drojf magnuse: yup, i found it there. i just got confused because it passed qa already
11:24 magnuse drojf: maybe check bugzilla?
11:15 drojf i wonder what i have been working on, koha-wise
11:14 drojf so, everything is normal ;D
11:14 * drojf drank coffee and is confused now
11:13 * kf sends rangi to bed
11:13 drojf or, at least very likely
11:13 kf my guess too
11:13 drojf of course
11:13 drojf ah
11:12 rangi maybe they mean offline circ?
11:11 drojf what's the offline mode of koha?
11:11 drojf hello again
11:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10563 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Link to edit subscription from 'check expiraton' page is broken
11:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10127 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Printoverdues.sh should tar only pdf files
11:08 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page
11:08 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 10127 : Printoverdues.sh should tar only pdf files
11:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #343: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/343/
11:08 kf tsk :)
10:47 magnuse Koha_master, on the other hand... ;-)
10:47 magnuse health > Koha_3.8.x
10:46 kf cjh++
10:43 magnuse cjh++
10:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #343 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10556 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , deliverytime is not inserted on adding a supplier
10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10527 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name is useless
10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10422 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css
10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9770 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , C4::ClassSortRoutine::Dewey can pad the wrong part of a call number internally
10:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10556: The delivery time is not inserted on adding a supplier.
10:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name
10:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10422 - Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css
10:31 jenkins_koha * Jason Etheridge: Bug 9770: fix sorting of Dewey call numbers that contain prefixes
10:31 jenkins_koha * Jason Etheridge: Bug 9770: test case for sorting of Dewey call numbers that contain prefixes
10:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #342: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/342/
10:03 cjh ty, I havent been able to do it much for the last few weeks so got pretty close to asking for a volunteer, if it gets worse I will try let the community know ASAP.
10:00 rangi sweet, your health is more important, one of us can sub in if we need to, but cool if you can keep doing it
09:58 cjh probably worth mentioning that lately I have had issues with my RSI flaring up again, but for the time being I plan to keep rmaint-ing, just may be a bit slow.
09:57 rangi cjh++
09:56 cjh finally found time to catch up on my rmaint :)
09:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #342 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10448 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Changing framework when cataloguing clears all fields
09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10514 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Add item link on acquisitions add item is too small
09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10411 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add cache control headers to static resources in the apache config
09:53 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10448: can now change framework after duplicating bib record
09:53 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7143: Updating history and about page
09:53 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10514: improve visibility of Add item link on new order form
09:53 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10411: add cache control headers for static resources (Debian package)
09:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #341: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/341/
09:27 rangi heh
09:27 cjh maybe marc will become so over encumbered it falls over?
09:26 rangi people are funny
09:26 rangi im not entirely sure how adding fields to MARC helps move from MARC
09:24 rangi https://twitter.com/Marie_Idille/status/369738290951225344
09:24 * rangi giggles
09:16 kf we will see how it works out :)
09:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #341 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:14 magnuse kf++ for calling a qa meeting
09:14 magnuse they are really hard to grep for, at least ;-)
08:52 kf Joubu++
08:46 kf or i might be thinking about something else. hm.
08:46 kf i think i ran into those sometime ago,i might be wrong too :)
08:45 magnuse :-)
08:45 magnuse it has been known to happen
08:45 magnuse ok, i might be wrong
08:41 kf i think the templates still might have those
08:41 kf magnuse: hm i doubt it
08:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3145 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , patron templates using poorly named "P" and "C" variables
08:37 * magnuse suspects bug 3145 is no longer relevant
08:33 huginn` magnuse: The operation succeeded.
08:33 magnuse @later tell oleonard: if you do followups for bug 10764 and 10765 i'll get them signed off
08:32 * magnuse has read too much Dickens
08:31 cjh TIL that skittles is/are a sport...
08:31 * magnuse was thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skittles_%28sport%29 which sounds slightly more dangerous
08:30 kf ah :)
08:29 cjh yeah, but m&ms are more popular.
08:29 kf do you have smarties in nz?
08:29 cjh heh
08:29 * kf throws some smarties instead
08:29 kf hm
08:29 * kf throws some at cjh
08:28 cjh mmmhhhmmmm skittles are yummy.
08:27 kf ask druthb_away
08:27 kf apparently that's sweets you throw at people
08:07 magnuse skittles?
08:07 magnuse Oak
08:06 Oak hello kf
08:06 Oak magnuse
08:06 * kf throws skittles at magnuse
08:05 magnuse rangi++ for updating http://schema.koha-community.org/
07:57 magnuse moahahaha
07:57 * kf jumps
07:57 kf wah!
07:56 magnuse KIA ORA KF!
07:36 magnuse :-) http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/see-beastie-boys-sabotage-video-remade-by-librarians-20130819
07:11 dcook Have a good day all
07:11 dcook I think I'll do the responsible thing and head off only 11 minutes after 5 today ;)
07:11 dcook magnuse: Could be. Could be.
07:02 drojf hei magnuse
07:01 magnuse dcook: maybe because it was 4 an hour ago?
07:01 magnuse moin drojf
07:00 drojf good morning #koha
07:00 dcook How is it 5 already...
06:59 dcook bonjour gaetan_B :)
06:59 dcook I'm sorry, magnuse. I've only used it once or twice myself, but...blech.
06:58 wahanui hey, gaetan_B
06:58 gaetan_B hello
06:58 * magnuse had his first encounter with windows 8 yesterday
06:57 magnuse windows--
06:57 magnuse ie--
06:57 dcook ie--
06:48 reiveune salut magnuse, dcook :)
06:48 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:47 reiveune hello
06:47 dcook salut reiveune :)
06:47 dcook Hope they're useful :)
06:46 magnuse dcook++ for the links
06:42 magnuse g'day mate!
06:40 dcook Howdy
06:40 * dcook waves to magnuse
06:40 dcook Hmm, chilly today
06:40 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 15.0°C (4:00 PM EST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
06:40 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
06:37 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.9°C (8:35 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling).
06:37 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:37 huginn` cait: downloading the Perl source
06:37 cait @wunde konstanz
06:37 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
06:37 magnuse @wunder boo
06:37 magnuse ooh, hot!
06:37 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
06:37 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:37 magnuse nice
06:37 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.9°C (8:35 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling).
06:37 magnuse @wunder konstanz
06:37 * magnuse waves to all of #koha
06:36 magnuse guten morgen cait
06:36 cait morning magnuse
06:36 magnuse rangi++ for https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/369632875689172992
06:04 dcook Glad it was nice :)
06:04 dcook Ah! I didn't realize!
06:04 cait it was a nice vacation :) i am back since yesterday :)
05:54 dcook Good vacation so far?
05:49 cait hi dcook
05:48 dcook hey ya cait
05:44 cait good morning #koha
05:08 huginn` dcook: Karma for "ie" has been increased 1 time and decreased 112 times for a total karma of -111.
05:08 dcook @karma ie
05:08 dcook ie--
05:08 dcook Oh yeah...I forgot to do this earlier...
04:47 dcook Mmm, yeah, it could use some updating
04:42 wizzyrea more -> about koha -> Koha Team
04:42 dcook Koha Team?
04:42 wizzyrea maybe if I'm bored I'll do that tonight.
04:41 wizzyrea hrm looks like we need to do some meaintenance on the Koha Team bit of the template
04:10 dcook Ah, so good!
03:54 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :)
03:38 wizzyrea ^^ so much this
03:37 dcook Koha is typically enjoyable, but Koha + Daft Punk is even more enjoyable.
02:37 jcamins (from us)
02:37 jcamins Almost as many as happen down the street.
02:36 dcook I hear tires squeaking at least twice per day...
02:36 dcook I wonder how many car accidents happen outside of my office
02:15 dcook wizzyrea++
02:14 * wizzyrea is often glad to not be in 1. the medical IT industry 2. the transport industry 3. the banking industry or 4. the HUGEMASSIVECORPORATE industry.
02:10 dcook Ouch...
02:09 jcamins Apparently Amazon was down between 15 and 40 minutes today.
02:08 rangi yikes
02:08 dcook O_o
02:08 jcamins _That_ is downtime you don't want to be responsible for.
02:08 jcamins Wow. $66k/minute.
02:05 rangi yep
02:05 jcamins You need more sophisticated techniques in that case.
02:05 dcook I had forgotten about rollbacks. Been too long since I read the Manga Guide to Databases :p
02:05 jcamins But that doesn't work if your test is done via Test::WWW::Mechanize.
02:05 dcook Yeah, I saw that blog post the other day. Looks sweet.
02:05 rangi you can have your tests modifying the db, and the rollback undoes it all
02:04 rangi http://galencharlton.com/blog/2013/08/musings-on-kohas-database-dependent-tests/
02:04 rangi and if you do this
02:04 rangi but if you have at least all the common ones, thats a good start
02:04 dcook I do want to write tests...
02:04 rangi thats the ideal
02:04 rangi pretty mcuh
02:03 dcook So long as you have every use case, you're golden?
02:03 rangi exactly
02:03 rangi win
02:03 rangi so you test for what should happen, if it doesnt, test fails
02:03 dcook You automate a certain range of acceptable behaviours and then the test breaks if it changes?
02:03 dcook Makes sense.
02:03 rangi the basic idea with tests are to catch changes in behaviour
02:03 dcook Hmm
02:03 rangi the test will catch it
02:03 dcook At this point, I'm pondering how to deal with updated records
02:03 rangi then if someone breaks one of those bits
02:02 rangi harvest, convert, export
02:02 dcook I've even got it staging the records in the staging area, converting DC to MARC21...
02:02 rangi you could roundtrip it
02:02 rangi sweet
02:02 dcook The actual harvest works just fine, thanks to HTTP::OAI::Harvester
02:02 rangi prove its not munging the data etc
02:02 rangi cool :)
02:02 dcook Ah, wait, I think I gotcha
02:01 dcook Hmm, not sure I follow
02:01 rangi you could run you harverster, and then compare the results with the contents of a get etc
02:01 dcook No time like the present to learn to write tests
02:00 rangi your harvester
02:00 dcook For?\
02:00 rangi you could whack some tests up
01:59 rangi http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-WWW-Mechanize/Mechanize.pm#SYNOPSIS
01:59 rangi http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-WWW-Mechanize/Mechanize.pm
01:59 rangi tell you what
01:59 rangi thats always a danger
01:57 dcook Think I might be trying to do too much right off the bat..
01:56 dcook It's not "perfect" yet, but it would be cool to potentially get some feedback
01:56 dcook soon*
01:56 dcook Yeah, I should submit my oai-pmh harvester soonn
01:56 dcook Patches \o/
01:53 rangi hehe
01:53 dcook not even
01:52 * dcook needs to learn now to always try to get the last word
01:52 dcook Ok, that's really my last argument tweet for a while :p
01:49 rangi ill have to tidy it up and submit it as a patch set at some point
01:49 dcook I haven't followed the link data "thing" closely enough, but cool to see Koha saving to rdf
01:48 dcook Yeah, I seem to remember you showing magnuse the other day
01:48 dcook I like the tweet ;)
01:46 rangi heh
01:46 dcook Well, maybe minus the smile
01:44 dcook That's the plan ;)
01:44 rangi smile and back away slowly
01:44 dcook Nopes
01:44 rangi ahh, no win there then
01:43 dcook I went to school with Myron. He lives for arguments. He doesn't care about points. He just wants to hear himself talk.
01:41 rangi you are making good points
01:40 rangi allow the librarians to enrich those, by creating the links (or picking the links)
01:40 dcook Ack...arguing with people on Twitter...bad idea, dcook
01:40 wahanui next step is to send it to the patches mailing list
01:40 rangi next step
01:40 rangi now
01:40 rangi dcook: ive got koha saving to rdf, everytime you add a biblio or modify one
01:39 rangi was just good timing :)
01:39 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/369632875689172992
01:38 * dcook takes a gander
01:38 dcook Nopes
01:36 rangi i guess you saw my tweet :)
01:36 rangi thanks dcook
01:35 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
01:35 dcook @later tell magnuse These might be of interest if you haven't already seen them: http://www.slideshare.net/rjw/linked-data-progress-ifla-2013 and http://www.wikidata.org/
01:35 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
01:35 dcook @later tell rangi These might be of interest if you haven't already seen them: http://www.slideshare.net/rjw/linked-data-progress-ifla-2013 and http://www.wikidata.org/
01:20 * dcook looks forward to the day of CSS3...
01:11 dcook Hmm, IFLA sounds like it might be interesting...
00:54 dcook Twitter Gold
00:54 wizzyrea hehe I like that
00:53 dcook http://imgur.com/429auIk
00:53 dcook This one would also be useful...
00:52 wizzyrea hehe
00:51 dcook I think that's how I felt when I wrote my first patch :p
00:51 dcook http://havealaugh96.tumblr.com/post/58514638759/clavid-ogfoodnun-why-is-he-so-happy-jesus
00:50 dcook Who does Koha dev reactions?
00:00 dcook Darned embedded newlines..
00:00 dcook Well then..
00:00 dcook Program for Parents and Youngsters (HIPPY). There had to be a better acronym than HIPPY...
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