Time Nick Message 23:35 dcook hey ya mtompset 23:35 mtompset Greetings, dcook. :) 23:22 dcook morning #koha 22:05 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 22:05 cait night all 21:08 rangi joubu++ 21:08 rangi kenza++ 21:00 cait one of the questions i guess 20:59 wizzyrea the question is whether "most circulated" should look at current loans in addition to completed loans? 20:58 cait also an excellent question 20:58 * wizzyrea wonders why it doesn't ask statistics. 20:57 cait and i was hoping for your help :) 20:57 wizzyrea also good morning 20:57 cait tcohen was confusing me about the most circulated item reports 20:57 wizzyrea name* 20:57 wizzyrea sorry I saw my neam 20:36 tcohen thanks cait 20:36 tcohen yeah, I guess 20:36 cait i think it really depends on definition a lot 20:35 tcohen our libraries don't use the report because they find it in-accurate 20:35 cait you might want to ask some more people - maybe wizzyrea 20:35 cait i don't really know :( 20:34 tcohen ok, so it is customary to count only checked-in items, and libraries expect Koha to work like that 20:34 cait i know some ils does it that way 20:33 cait hm no i don't think so 20:33 tcohen but "renewed" should count as checked-in and then checked-out again 20:33 cait tcohen: i think an explicit filter would be nicest 20:33 cait tcohen: maybe 20:33 oleonard Bye everyone 20:32 tcohen it depends on the definition of "circulated" I guess 20:32 cait i think i wouldn't expect that to make a difference 20:32 cait but i wouldn't make it dependenton the checkin /checkout dates 20:32 cait hm i think that's not an easy question 20:31 tcohen it only queries old-issues 20:31 cait does it query issues and old_issues already? 20:30 cait include/not include checked out items 20:30 cait maybe we should have a checkbox 20:30 cait tcohen: hm i think i disagree 20:29 tcohen cgi-bin/koha/reports/cat_issues_top.pl 20:28 cait not sure what we are talking about :) 20:28 wahanui well, that is a good idea. 20:28 cait where is that? 20:28 cait tcohen: um 20:21 tcohen would u agree that if no check-in filter is passed, current loans should be considered too? 20:21 cait ok? :) 20:21 cait uhoh 20:21 tcohen cait, question on top most circulated items 20:15 cait truncating old_reserves fixed it 20:15 cait mismathc of ids between reserves and old_reserves? 20:15 cait aah 20:14 cait jcamins: i htink i am missing something in my database probably 20:14 cait ah he flees. 20:13 jcamins It passes for me. 20:13 cait for me 20:13 cait I think it should work... but it doesn't 20:13 cait hm, does db_d/Circulation.t fial for someone else? 20:12 cait but right now I woudl ike to know why this test fails 20:12 cait hm yeah 20:11 jcamins There's "not doing QA." 20:09 cait not really 20:09 mtompset Is there a non-mean qa mode too, cait? 20:09 mtompset mean qa mode?! 20:08 cait khall: still around? 20:08 cait hm. 20:06 * cait switches to mean qa mode 20:06 * cait waves again 20:00 alaquerre I did try to put in javascript but did'nt work.. thanks anyway! :-) 19:58 jcamins Though I could be wrong. 19:58 jcamins alaquerre: I do not think that can be done. 19:57 alaquerre I know but user are asking us to be able to do so. 19:56 pianohacker alaquerre: What you're talking about would be much easier with XSLT 19:56 alaquerre Reference : http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/administration.html#isbdpref 19:54 alaquerre Hi all, quick question : Is there any way to add "logic" in the ISBD sys. pref ? My case is : I would like to move a field display only if the first line is empty. ( If 100$xx are empty, move 260$c after 245$xx, if 100$XX is not empty display 260$c before 245$xx). 19:47 pianohacker my hope is to also be able to save to the reservoir and use it as a staging area for records, if that's your thing 19:46 pianohacker I'm separating the two completely in the new cataloging editor, actually 19:44 jcamins I generally don't, other than "cataloging search includes results from the reservoir." 19:41 oleonard How do you explain to the user the difference between results returned by a regular search and those returned by a "cataloging search?" 19:41 jcamins gmcharlt: I prefer QP syntax. It's far less ambiguous. 19:41 jcamins And I'm not saying it would be a bad thing to do that. I think it's a great idea. But not something I foresee happening. 19:40 gmcharlt ;) 19:40 gmcharlt jcamins: oh, that's easy: CCL for ALL! 19:40 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 19:40 jcamins I mean, unless we're going to go the Biblionarrator route and massively reconceptualize the catalogue to eliminate the distinction between "professional" and "public" interfaces. 19:39 jcamins I don't quite know what we'd get by removing that. 19:39 oleonard jcamins: It sounds like the hangup is the ability to search the reservoir 19:38 jcamins Are we proposing to get rid of the cataloging search? 19:37 drojf would be much easier then, i liked spelt more than wheat anyway 19:36 jcamins I did not know that. 19:36 jcamins Hm. 19:36 drojf not 19:36 drojf no it's no 19:35 jcamins drojf: I thought spelt was gluten-free? 19:35 drojf jcamins: i'm completely off gluten, so none of those 19:34 jcamins I know spelt is safe, but I'm not sure about rye. 19:33 jcamins If there's no wheat. 19:32 jcamins drojf: can you eat things made with rye and spelt flour? 19:31 drojf druthb: thanks for the cookie. don't feel like eating 19:29 drojf if you ever wondered what berlin looks like in 2013, that's it http://www.demotix.com/news/2454005/neo-nazis-protest-against-newly-moved-refugees-berlin/all-media 19:20 cait heh :) 19:20 oleonard I'm always excited to find a bug I can fix hiding in a module that I don't normally fix bugs in. 19:18 cait sometimes it's really tempting to mark all bugs somehow with one of the modules oleonard takes care of... :) 19:18 cait oleonard++ :) 18:46 * druthb waves to drojf, and offers a cookie. 18:31 * cait wills her dinner to cook faster 18:30 cait gmcharlt++ #lol :) 18:30 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10542 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , QueryParser + OpacSuppression doesn't allow search in 'all libraries' 18:30 cait bug 10542 18:29 jcamins That I could fix. 18:29 gmcharlt jcamins: you'll notice somebody standing behind you holding up a brass halo ;) 18:29 jcamins Oh. 18:29 cait i don't mean the general feature, just that it doesn't work with the queryparser 18:29 jcamins Well, given a saint, sure. 18:29 cait not at all? 18:29 cait hm 18:29 jcamins 10766 is fixable. opacsuppression... not really. 18:28 cait *sigh* 18:28 jcamins cait: not a chance. 18:28 cait and really only joking 18:28 cait jcamins: you could fix opacsuppression if you got bored ;) 18:28 cait gmcharlt++ 18:27 jcamins gmcharlt++ 18:27 jcamins I was going to patch it after I finished this e-mail. 18:27 jcamins gmcharlt: gosh that was fast. 18:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10766 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cataloging reservoir search broken if UseQueryParser is off 18:27 gmcharlt jcamins: I call your attention to bug 10766 18:17 cait hi rambutan and pianohacker :) 18:11 rambutan hi cait 18:06 pianohacker hey cait 18:04 cait good evening #koha 17:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1376: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1376/ 17:47 druthb oh, absolutely. 17:47 jcamins You aren't amused by that quote? 17:47 druthb :P 17:47 druthb some persons are easily amused. 17:46 * jcamins amuses himself. 17:46 jcamins lol 17:46 huginn` druthb: Quote #256: "<jcamins> Cool. New and spectacularly revised deduper works. And it is, if I may say, a super deduper." (added by wizzyrea at 03:33 AM, June 05, 2013) 17:46 druthb @quote random 17:24 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #196: "oleonard: maybe if I didn't have all this Bugzilla stuff stored in my head I would be able to walk and chew gum at the same time." (added by wizzyrea at 04:41 PM, April 02, 2012) 17:24 gmcharlt @quote random 16:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #1376 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10701 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , In transit information doesn't display on the bibliographic detail page 16:45 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10701: fix display of transit status on the bibliographic detail page 16:45 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order on OPAC tags list 16:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9916 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables in the OPAC 16:45 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for self-check loan list 16:45 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for OPAC search history 16:45 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for OPAC "most popular" page 16:45 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9916 - Use DataTables in the OPAC 16:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1375: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1375/ 16:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10701 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , In transit information doesn't display on the bibliographic detail page 16:06 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10701: fix display of transit status on the bibliographic detail page 16:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9916 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables in the OPAC 16:06 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order on OPAC tags list 16:06 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for self-check loan list 16:06 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for OPAC search history 16:06 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for OPAC "most popular" page 16:06 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9916 - Use DataTables in the OPAC 16:06 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #56: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/56/ 15:51 gaetan_B bye ! 15:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #1375 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10728 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , subscription-renew generates unnecessary warnings in logs 15:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Field: Bug 10704: make OPAC highlighting work across previous/next travel 15:31 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10728: fix additional log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl 15:31 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10728: fix log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl 15:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1374: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1374/ 15:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #56 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10704 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Search term highlighting doesn't work beyond the first results page 15:29 jenkins_koha Jonathan Field: Bug 10704: make OPAC highlighting work across previous/next travel 15:29 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #55: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/55/ 15:27 druthb jcamins++ 15:27 jcamins Ha! 15:27 wahanui Can we get some hard data on that? 15:27 jcamins Looks like it. 15:27 wahanui OK, jcamins 15:27 jcamins wahanui: Looks like it =~ s/$/?/ 15:27 wahanui That doesn't contain '\$', jcamins 15:27 jcamins wahanui: Looks like it =~ s/\$/?/ 15:27 wahanui I didn't have anything matching 'can we get some hard data on that', jcamins 15:27 jcamins wahanui: Can we get some hard data on that =~ s/\$/?/ 15:26 wahanui I didn't have anything matching 'looks like it is', jcamins 15:26 jcamins wahanui: Looks like it is =~ s/\$/?/ 15:26 wahanui ...but looks like it is <reply> Can we get some hard data on that$... 15:26 jcamins wahanui: Looks like it is s/\$/?/ 15:25 wahanui Can we get some hard data on that$ 15:25 jcamins Looks like it 15:25 wahanui OK, jcamins. 15:25 jcamins wahanui: Looks like it is <reply> Can we get some hard data on that$ 15:24 oleonard dang 15:24 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, oleonard 15:24 oleonard wahanui: Looks like it is <reply> Can we get some hard data on that? 15:24 wahanui oleonard: I forgot looks like it 15:24 oleonard wahanui: forget looks like it 15:20 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10701: fix display of transit status on the bibliographic detail page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a6e9c48c5c63e17318f4c8e5c7f0400bab0c363> 15:19 * druthb chucks a Skittle at wahanui. 15:19 wahanui looks like it is only free as in beer but i think that will do for the person who is supposed to use it 15:19 jcamins Looks like it. 15:18 tcohen it does 15:17 tcohen does debian have the update-perl-sax-parsers script? 15:17 tcohen i'm on vacation today, don't have access to my dev server 15:14 jcamins Try triggering a stacktrace in the correct SAX parser. I was concerned about the same thing initially, but found that it worked anyway. 15:14 tcohen but i'm confident you are right, np 15:13 tcohen i don't see the install scripts changing anything sax related 15:12 jcamins tcohen: I'm pretty sure that the packages load the correct XML parser anyway. 15:11 gmcharlt s/bad/bad not suited for MARC::File::XML/ 15:11 jcamins gmcharlt: unfortunately, no one can come up with that edge case. 15:11 gmcharlt I don't have the details hand, however 15:11 gmcharlt IIRC, there is an edge case where Expat is indeed bad 15:10 tcohen maybe sax_parser_print.pl should not say Expat is bad 15:09 tcohen i just noticed sax_parser_print.pl said my setup was bad 15:09 jcamins I found that the packages Just Worked when it camed to selecting a parser, and that I could not recreate any problems with other parsers anyway. 15:08 jcamins tcohen: and you're having problems with parsing? 15:08 tcohen does MARC::File::XML take care of setting its xml parser? 15:08 kf gmcharlt++ 15:07 gmcharlt or rather, could become moot if we bump up the required version of MARC::File::XML to 1.0.1 15:07 tcohen i have a vanilla 12.04 with Expat set as the highest priority 15:06 gmcharlt related, the issue becomes moot in Jessie 15:06 jcamins tcohen: I don't know where, but it definitely sets up the SAX parser correctly. 15:06 reiveune bye 15:06 tcohen i don't see it jcamins 15:05 jcamins tcohen: it does. 15:05 tcohen should postinstall script from packages handle SAX Parser selection? 15:00 gmcharlt oleonard++ 15:00 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order on OPAC tags list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dee3354bd63d32e6a320bf2b7d8491ffc41ec40c> / bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for self-check loan list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7630e0b5ae5d76fb8f57e0f59a702047dee79137> / bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for OPAC search hi 14:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #55 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10728 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , subscription-renew generates unnecessary warnings in logs 14:51 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10728: fix additional log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl 14:51 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10728: fix log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl 14:51 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #54: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/54/ 14:46 kmkale bye friends. See you around :-) 14:40 kmkale hi kf :-) 14:40 kmkale Looks useful. Thanks jcamins 14:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10678 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Allow framework selection when creating from Z39.50 14:40 wahanui bug 10678 is a nice and harmless improvement 14:40 kf bug 10678 14:36 jcamins I'm using ElasticSearch in my new project. It's great. 14:36 kmkale Oh. Just curious cause we are using Solr in our current project. 14:35 jcamins They did, but it was based on 3.2. Some of their code has been ported, but not all. 14:34 kmkale humm. I thought Biblibre had a working setup with solr last time I was around 14:33 jcamins Zebra-only until someone picks up the work on solr. 14:32 kmkale So whats the roadmap? Zebra AND Solr or Only Zebra? 14:32 jcamins There is some code for Solr, but it is not full-featured. 14:31 kmkale oh! 14:31 jcamins Not really, no. 14:31 kmkale Hey one quick question : Is koha on Solr now? 14:30 gmcharlt heh 14:30 kmkale :-D urm experienced experienced :-P 14:29 gmcharlt hey! who are you calling old? ;) 14:29 kmkale haha then nothing to worry about. Old hand at the helm!! 14:28 jcamins gmcharlt: hehe. Very nice. 14:28 * gmcharlt is 14:28 kmkale :-D and who is the brave RM? 14:28 gmcharlt same old, same old, just baking some Koha Pi 14:28 jcamins The RM for 3.12 survived the release process, barely, and is gradually recovering. 14:27 kmkale So friends whats happening in kohaland? :-) 14:26 kmkale Hi Galen 14:26 gmcharlt hi kmkale 14:26 kmkale hey Ruth :-) 14:26 druthb Hi, kmkale! :) 14:26 kmkale :-) 14:26 kmkale Just came to hang and meet friends 14:25 kmkale No :-( 14:25 jcamins Thanks. Are you working on Koha again? 14:25 kmkale Good to hear that jcamins. ALl the best on the new project 14:23 jcamins Doing pretty well. Just launched a new product, which is always exciting. 14:23 kmkale1 Hi jcamins :-) Indeed!! how are you? 14:22 jcamins Hey, kmkale1. Long time no see. :) 14:22 kmkale1 Hello #koha 14:20 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10704: make OPAC highlighting work across previous/next travel <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d0aea7c39e22f42760c3ecbba4c0cd0818785a7> / bug 10728: fix additional log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e864430caaa951b06d5fecff3fe7864317e5e26> / Bug 10728: fix log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl <http://gi 14:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #1374 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 14:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #54 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED) 14:12 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 22.1°C (9:12 AM CDT on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 14:12 rambutan @wunder 64507 14:07 tcohen it proposes a small workflow change for z39.50 cataloguing 14:06 tcohen kf, would u give 10678 a try if have the time? 13:59 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Morningside Place, Houston, Texas is 26.7°C (8:49 AM CDT on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: -999%. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 13:59 druthb @wunder 77098 13:54 tcohen hi kf 13:49 kf and hi tcohen :) 13:49 kf oleonard++ 13:48 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 20.0°C (10:00 AM ART on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 13:48 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 13:48 tcohen morning #koha 13:38 oleonard Doing it now 13:38 kf it's probably not hard, i just got confused 13:38 kf oleonard: you will still need to rebase :) i failed miserably at trying 13:37 oleonard kenza++ 13:37 oleonard Indeed. 13:37 kf kenza++ 13:35 kf hi jcamins 13:30 jcamins Good morning. 13:29 kf hi oleonard 13:28 oleonard Hi #koha 13:08 kf heh 13:08 * magnuse will refrain from that in the future, at least in public 13:07 kf that was for your selfish sighing :) 13:07 kf lol 13:07 wahanui i think kf is very interested in accessibility 13:07 magnuse kf? 13:00 * kf pokes magnuse 12:55 * magnuse breathes a selfish sigh of relief 12:54 kf intersting 12:53 jcamins Nor Arabic. 12:53 kf meh 12:53 jcamins But not in German. 12:53 kf you don't have german by chance? 12:53 wahanui norwegian is like the german! 12:53 jcamins And Norwegian. 12:53 kf it doesn't in german 12:53 kf maybe i mistranslated something 12:52 jcamins It works fine in French. 12:52 kf yep 12:52 jcamins In tools? 12:52 kf the quotes list in the staff interface 12:52 kf can somen confirm that quotes only show up for untanslated (english) templates? 12:52 kf hm 12:39 jcamins Not in months and months. 12:39 jcamins I don't think so. 12:39 jcamins Hmmm... 12:38 marcelr ? 12:38 marcelr has one been removed from the codebase 12:38 marcelr i need to check that 12:38 jcamins marcelr: I have not. Is it possible that you were using a plugin that has been deleted? 12:38 marcelr Edit marc record gives no problems 12:37 marcelr anyone else seen this problem in current master: add/edit items: click Edit: Undefined subroutine &main::plugin_parameters called ? Did not change anything in frameworks.. 12:37 marcelr hi #koha 12:19 magnuse [off] yay! 12:18 jcamins [off] www.librarydaredevils.com 12:18 jcamins [off] Apparently Tweetbot is sleepy this morning. 12:17 magnuse [off] jcamins: ? 11:46 jcamins [off] Well, we're official. 11:31 drojf nice :) 11:31 kf loud! 11:31 kf oh wow thunder 11:29 drojf [off] just a video tutorial please. :) 11:28 kf [off] it will be a pleasure, do you prefer mail, slides or a complete screencast? :) 11:18 drojf [off] hello. i have a very generic question. please answer in full detail. :P 10:52 khall hi kf! 10:52 kf hi khall 10:24 drojf hi kf 10:22 kf hi drojf 10:07 drojf hi #koha 10:00 wahanui [_] is square 10:00 kf [_]? 10:00 wahanui OK, kf. 10:00 kf wahanui: [_] is square 09:51 magnuse [_]? 09:51 magnuse [_] is square 09:51 magnuse be there or be [_] 09:50 magnuse :-) 09:49 kf is it? yay! 09:41 magnuse ooh, that's this friday, folks! 09:41 wahanui rumour has it next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2013-08-23_Global_bug_squashing_day 09:41 magnuse next gbsd? 09:41 magnuse gah, needs signoff is at 163 again... 08:53 magnuse hiya samueld 08:33 samueld hi everybody 07:36 dcook Have a good day kf, magnuse, any anyone lurking ;) 07:36 dcook Thanks :) 07:34 kf sleep well :) 07:34 * dcook is silly for staying 07:34 dcook Ahh...I should go... 07:29 magnuse kf: ah 07:28 * dcook doesn't think that he's that threatening :p 07:28 kf magnuse: the question was more if i should run or hide :) 07:28 dcook Wait a minute...:p 07:28 dcook Mmm, I should run as it's 5:28pm but I'll... 07:26 * magnuse urges dcook to run or hide 07:26 * kf looks for dcook 07:26 kf hi magnuse :) 07:26 magnuse kia ora kf! 07:25 magnuse i wonder how it gets the images 07:24 magnuse it requires memcached? that's interesting 07:22 dcook Oooo, it works with mouse scroll too 07:22 magnuse yup 07:21 dcook Oooh. Looks cool! 07:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10756 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Carousel Display of New Titles on OPAC home page 07:20 magnuse ooh bug 10756 07:11 dcook Which really is the most important part 07:11 dcook Yep, that part does 07:10 magnuse does that work? 07:08 dcook But the verb can take a setSpec for selective harvesting.. 07:08 dcook Me thinks it's currently set up just to show identifier and datestamp 07:08 dcook It's part of the Header 07:07 dcook As should GetRecord and ListIdentifiers, I believe 07:07 dcook Yep 07:07 magnuse ListIdentifiers is supposed to show which sets each record belongs to? 07:01 dcook I swear it did last week though.. 07:01 dcook I've run build_oai_sets.pl and the DB table looks all right but ListIdentifiers isn't showing anything.. 07:01 dcook I'm having issues with OAI sets not showing up for Koha :( 07:00 magnuse hehe 07:00 dcook Oh...how is it 5pm already... 06:59 dcook Or if they do realize, they don't raise it with anyone, because it's too timeconsuming 06:59 dcook Most users might not know when they're getting all the results they should (or getting ones they shouldn't) 06:59 dcook Alas, I think it's one of those issues that isn't super visible 06:58 dcook Agreed 06:57 magnuse more people and companies could chip in there... 06:57 wahanui it has been said that search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 06:57 magnuse search rewrite? 06:57 magnuse yeah 06:53 dcook Which is quite unfortunate when one thinks about the OPAC as a big search engine for users... 06:52 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded. 06:52 dcook @later tell cait People already realize that Koha searching isn't the best 06:52 cait sorry! 06:52 dcook As you mentioned before, that's already the case 06:52 cait ok, time to run :) 06:52 cait yeah probably, but thefacets will really pull it to the light 06:52 dcook This location facet isn't really any different from anything else 06:51 dcook Ah, but we already have made those false promises 06:51 cait more dangerous than not having the feature :) 06:51 dcook Ok. Galen might have an opinion as well. 06:51 cait dcook: offering features that don't quite work is making false promises i think 06:51 cait dcook: i have added an opinion - but leaving as passed qa 06:50 reiveune hello 06:50 cait dcook: that's the problem 06:46 dcook I think it might make more sense to fix the search rather than hiding facets. Mind you, fixing search isn't a trivial task... 06:45 dcook Or rather "could" yield.. 06:45 dcook Doing an advanced search for branch A and location B (or item type B, etc) will yield potentially misleading results 06:44 dcook You can accomplish the same thing via the advanced search 06:44 dcook Plus, it's not just facets 06:44 dcook I agree that it's potentially confusing having them on by default, but I think not having item-level facets all together isn't going to go down very well 06:41 cait dcook: or that on by default is confusing by default... unless you have a specific use case 06:41 cait the more i think the singlebranchmode limitation was the right thing to do. 06:41 cait dcook: the more I think o fit 06:41 cait dcook: hm 06:36 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.9°C (8:35 AM CEST on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising). 06:36 magnuse @wunder konstanz 06:36 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). 06:36 magnuse @wunder boo 06:36 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 23.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 06:36 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:36 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B 06:33 gaetan_B hallo cait, wie geht's ? 06:33 cait hi gaetan_B 06:33 wahanui privet, gaetan_B 06:33 gaetan_B hello 06:25 magnuse kia ora cait and dcook 06:23 cait morning magnuse 06:23 * cait thinks she would spend the day meeting koha friends if there was teleportation 06:22 dcook hey ya magnuse :) 06:22 * magnuse waves 06:16 dcook teleport even 06:16 dcook Mind you, I walked 7km yesterday without it. I probably wouldn't have done all that had I been able to teleprot.. 06:16 dcook Mmm, wouldn't it? 06:16 cait teleportation... that would be nice 06:15 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 17.0°C (4:00 PM EST on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 06:15 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 06:15 dcook Teleportation? 06:15 dcook Umbrella? 06:13 cait now i only have to figure out how to get to work without getting wet :) 06:13 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 06:13 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:04 dcook Cool :) 06:03 cait dcook: i reset the status :) 06:01 cait lots of whitespace there in the template, i think i really missed them 05:58 dcook I was going to say that we should add them, but decided to take a last minute look for them and saw them there 05:57 dcook I totally forgot about them as well :) 05:56 cait and you are right - i checked and still totally missed those :( 05:56 cait dcook: checking for those ids again 05:53 cait yeah, i was thinking something similar :) 05:49 dcook That might be a good way of going 05:49 dcook jcamins mentioned the possibility of a translateable Template Toolkit plugin 05:48 * dcook shrugs 05:47 cait but not sure which you meant and i should probably be commenting on the bug 05:47 cait dcook: and for the other an include or something that has the strings you want - because authorized values will be one language only... which is always not as nice as having things translatable 05:46 cait dcook: i think language descriptions for a language facet would be best right now 05:45 cait let me check for the id - i didn't see one when i checked yesterday, weird 05:44 cait probably i am babbling now 05:44 cait not mixing them all up 05:44 cait well item by item... 05:44 dcook line by line? 05:44 cait because the search does not look at the items line by line - so that's probably what I am afraid of 05:43 dcook Jared explained things which made me understand your example better 05:43 dcook It might be useful to read my last comment last 05:43 cait i had libraries quite unhappy about item searching in training recently 05:43 dcook Mostly just me babbling, I think :p 05:43 cait just looking at your comment :) 05:43 cait hi dcook 05:43 dcook hey ya cait 05:41 cait good morning #koha 04:48 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded. 04:48 dcook @later tell jcamins I didn't realize that your comment about the freshman and Old Ivy was genuine 04:47 dcook hehe 03:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1373: FIXED in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1373/ 03:20 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 02:41 dcook If others want a new syspref, they or I can add a follow-up 02:41 dcook I might add it with IssueLog (which is how we've done it in the past anyway) 02:41 * dcook agrees 02:41 jcamins There _will_ be a time when you hit the wrong button, and you *know* you screwed up, but you can't quite remember what it was like before. 02:40 jcamins If you want to anonymize your logs, anonymize your logs using a cron job at the end of the day. 02:40 dcook It is rather annoying when you look for a log just to find that it's been turned off (or never enabled) 02:39 jcamins Honestly, I'd prefer disabling the ability to turn off logs. 02:39 jcamins But others will no doubt prefer a new syspref. 02:39 * jcamins would prefer IssueLog. 02:39 dcook Relying on the "IssueLog" preference or adding a new system preference for "RenewLog" to log circulation renewals? 02:38 dcook Hmm, whether to indicate in the commit message that I'm lazy... 02:35 dcook Blasphemy! 02:35 jcamins And typing slowly. 02:34 jcamins Heh. 02:34 dcook I guess that's what searching is for.. 02:34 dcook I hate that moment in Bugzilla where you see your duplicate bug in the AJAX list but you're typing too quickly and you miss it... 02:24 dcook It helps only insofar as I could Google it a bit :p 02:21 jcamins Will it help if I tell you the first reference the freshman comp student finds is _Rip the Chipmunks off the field_ by J.B. Biggley? 02:21 * dcook has no idea about the reference 02:21 dcook hehe 02:20 * jcamins keeps the bonus points. 02:19 gmcharlt and compares nicely with the overall speed record for sailboats, 65.45 knots 02:16 rangi 50.8mph .. that's moving 02:16 rangi http://www.americascup.com/en/news/3/news/16628/thursday-morning-briefing-2 02:15 gmcharlt *blink* 02:15 rangi 44.15 knots i think is its current topspeed 02:14 * gmcharlt had not associated sailboats and hydrofoils until just now 02:13 jcamins It looks like some sort of alien spaceship. 02:13 rangi massive catamaran 02:12 wahanui that is a good idea. 02:12 jcamins What is that? 02:12 rangi it has 2 speeds, stopped, and way too fast 02:11 rangi you'd kill them trying to pick them up with that thing 02:11 ibeardslee it's not right 02:09 rangi thats what you have a chase crew for ;) 02:09 ibeardslee doesn't seem they 'boats' are required to pick up crew oveboard anymore 02:07 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFjxEfg_mEw <<-- pretty freaky 02:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #1373 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1371 2 days 5 hr ago) 02:07 jcamins Bonus points for anyone who recognizes the reference. 02:06 * jcamins writes about a freshman comp student writing a report on Old Ivy's football team the Groundhogs. 02:02 rangi http://vimeo.com/66169135 this is how i imagine all brooklyn librarians 01:57 dcook hehe 01:57 * gmcharlt pushes the cat-o-nine-tails out of view ;) 01:56 dcook Err managers 01:56 dcook I'm a fan of benevolent masters :p 01:56 dcook Sounds good to me. 01:55 rangi guidelines to follow 01:55 gmcharlt for the edge cases, yes 01:55 rangi thats why we vote them in :) 01:55 dcook In the end, up to RM and QA discretion? 01:54 gmcharlt IOW, it can get fuzzy 01:54 gmcharlt and in other areas (UNIMARC might become this) it may be necessary to consider relaxing the standards a bit for lack of enough folks in a position to test certain areas 01:53 gmcharlt some people's signoffs have more weight than others by repeated demonstration of their care and good judgment 01:53 gmcharlt as everything, it also depends on the care every tester displays when signing off 01:52 gmcharlt but, pace rangi, from the POV of an idepndent tester, that just increases the chance that it is worth *their* time to test it as well 01:52 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, but as I saw it, the barrier for signing off was high enough that if, for example, Mathieu signed off on a BibLibre patch, I'd take it as a sufficiently independent sign off. 01:51 gmcharlt ideally, every organization that's big enough *should* be doing that -- that is, passing work through at least another set of eyes internally before submitting it 01:51 gmcharlt it would be a bit like person B from an organization signing off on a patch by person A from the same organization 01:50 jcamins dcook: if the individual is able to sign off on the patch without anyone knowing it's a customer of the developer, that probably means that the person in question is a Koha developer already. When I was RM, I would probably have accepted that as a sign off. 01:49 dcook Cool. I don't know how many people I could encourage but maybe a few 01:49 gmcharlt rangi: one can hope, one can hope :) 01:49 rangi because im less likely to find it doesnt even compile :) 01:48 rangi it would mean id be more likely to attempt signing it off 01:48 dcook Makes sense. How will you know though unless the developer or the individual self-identifies? 01:48 jcamins On the other hand, that can encourage people to sign off, if they know someone other than the developer has tested it. 01:48 jcamins We're all for them, and it's always a good idea to get them, but you'll still need another. 01:48 gmcharlt nice thing to see, but it's not an independent signoff 01:47 dcook What's the policy on sign offs from client libraries for vendors? 01:47 dcook I have an unrelated question... 01:42 jcamins [off] Five, now. 01:42 jcamins [off] The guy from Koya University and the Peace Corps guy. Okay, there were four who got one chances. 01:42 rangi [off] true i used up my one on him a while back i think 01:41 jcamins [off] Paul got one chance, Marc got one chance, and the other one got one chance, so Manos ought to get one chance too. 01:40 jcamins [off] I answered, because every troll gets one chance. 01:39 rangi [off] i read that as, dont answer me, cos i will be a dick about whatever answer i get, so im not going to answer him 01:35 rangi 2013 is surely the year of the most annoying mail list users to date 00:51 dcook Not that there are any buns in the oven at present.. 00:51 * dcook wonders how he's going to manage multiple cats and a baby 00:50 dcook I was too busy cleaning up horrifying cat litter boxes and barely catching a cab to the vet to even think about lunch.. 00:50 dcook Mmm food 00:47 jcamins The pumpernickel chocolate chip cookie dough tastes more like molasses chocolate chip cookie dough, but it's yummy. 00:45 dcook Then maybe I should look at that again.. 00:44 dcook Hmm, cool :) 00:43 jcamins koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/text/explodedterms.tt 00:43 jcamins See... 00:43 jcamins Actually, TT anything can be translatable. 00:43 jcamins dcook: if it's a TT plugin, you can make it translatable. 00:19 dcook Sounds...interesting :p 00:16 jcamins Pumpernickel chocolate chip cookies are on the menu. 00:16 jcamins Problem solved. 00:00 dcook Yep, already has an id