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23:57 tcohen what are the poll results mtompset ?
23:36 cait good night #koha
23:13 drojf good night #koha
23:10 cjh ciao
23:08 pianohacker bye all
23:01 wizzyrea and that's just fine.
23:01 wizzyrea well never mind, looks like we're only using saved_sql for saved reports
22:59 wizzyrea rather, what do we use the saved_reports table for?
22:58 wizzyrea curious, did we recently stop using the "saved_reports" table in favor of the "saved_sql" table?
22:54 cait here too
22:51 drojf too warm in here to sleep :(
22:51 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 21.2°C (12:42 AM CEST on July 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
22:51 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
22:51 drojf maybe in some nice unemployed future ;)
22:50 wizzyrea >.<
22:50 wizzyrea probably do your cleanup in a separate patch though >.
22:50 cait lots of karma for you if you can clean it up some ;)
22:50 wizzyrea but might be nice to centralise it :P
22:50 cait it is
22:50 drojf our emailing is really messy
22:50 drojf cait: only a part of the stuff in Letters.pm does that
22:50 wizzyrea I think ok to leave those emails out
22:50 wizzyrea yea, precisely.
22:49 cait also might be weird to wait until the process message queue job is run for those
22:49 wizzyrea sounds like a 123 to me :P
22:49 drojf ah right, thanks wizzyrea
22:49 drojf lolwut
22:49 wizzyrea so for example, you can send a list to someone you know nothing about
22:49 drojf my $attachfile = "addstats.csv";
22:49 drojf Attached is the file of new materials statistics for the previous month. Please use this file to calculate the values for the adds spreadsheet.\n";
22:49 wizzyrea drojf - the cart and list stuff emails to people that arent necessarily borrowers
22:48 cait go to bed now :)
22:47 drojf hours even
22:47 drojf oh look, i wanted to go to bed 2 hous ago. that worked nicely
22:46 drojf but they don't send to patrons so i won't care about that for now
22:46 drojf some statistics cron jobs i have never heard of
22:46 drojf oh there is more
22:45 drojf i may be wrong but i think shelf and basket are not that old. i can understand why one would avoid dealing with Letters.pm… ;)
22:44 pianohacker probably more incomplete centralization :P
22:43 drojf so sendshelf and sendbasket do their own emailing besides Letters.pm. that is a great idea. decentralize all the things! :/
22:42 cjh wizzyrea: it is really because catalyst was awesome and let me do cool things xD
22:38 cjh morning
22:38 cait enjoy :)
22:37 rangi bbl
22:37 rangi right off to yum cha
22:36 pianohacker I thought we marked those as obsolete in 3.6
22:36 pianohacker there are distros besides debian?
22:19 rangi yeah
22:19 drojf just work as in "out of the box", not in "only debian and ubuntu"
22:19 rangi sweet
22:19 drojf i'll have to build a package and see what it does on a fresh installation, but so far i think it will just work on debian and ubuntu. which would be cool
22:19 mtompset As for invalid ISBN: warning with a continue or cancel type options?
22:17 drojf mtompset: different addresses, different keys
22:17 mtompset drojf: Would you use a different GPG key for each one or the same for all of them?
22:17 drojf looks like it works mostly. de-hardcode the gpg path would be nice maybe
22:17 tcohen bbl
22:16 rangi yep
22:16 rangi i think making it for the primary makes sense
22:16 tcohen i tried two approaches, which weren't accepted
22:16 drojf i think i'll change the way they are added later and go with one key for now so it can be tested soon
22:16 rangi drojf: hmm probably not :)
22:16 tcohen maybe a quick poll any time
22:15 tcohen the question is: what to do if we find an invalid isbn.
22:15 drojf rangi: apart from you and me? :P
22:15 rangi drojf: perhaps
22:15 mtompset It's sitting at failed status. Just wondering if it should be left forever that way. ;)
22:14 tcohen why mtompset ?
22:14 drojf will anyone ever want to add not only a GPG key for their first email address, but also for the second and the alternate one?
22:13 tcohen i found no convergence for a proper solution
22:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ISBN Check
22:13 cait bug 906
22:13 tcohen i recently deleted that branch on my local git :-P
22:13 tcohen yes
22:12 mtompset tcohen: Remember 906?
22:11 wahanui well, template toolkit is apt-get install libtemplate-perl or http://tt2.org/
22:11 cait template toolkit
22:11 rangi he's done lots of things that clients never pay for
22:10 cait true :)
22:10 cait yeah
22:10 wizzyrea cjh++ #for doing lots of things that are huge for koha
22:07 cait cjh++ :)
22:07 pianohacker cjh++ then
22:07 rangi cjh took over the patches
22:07 rangi but he is on a different project now, so unlikely to be online
22:06 rangi srikanth
22:06 pianohacker What's srikanth's irc name?
22:05 cait almost as good as real magic :)
22:04 wizzyrea i like things that are automagic
22:02 rangi its automagically converted to bcrypt
22:02 rangi so that when someone logs in with an old password
22:02 rangi once its in, ill send another patch set
22:02 rangi so what it does is work with old passwords, all new ones are bcrypted
22:01 cait *hint hint hint HINT*
22:01 wizzyrea yea it is :/
22:01 wizzyrea ohh
22:01 cait the needs sign off... is a different story
22:01 cait in the signed off
22:01 cait we were down to 34 last sunday
22:01 wizzyrea ha
22:01 cait as motivation for me to bring it down to 30 again ;)
22:01 wizzyrea oh we are down to 60?
22:01 cait 60 patches in the queue
22:00 wizzyrea 60?
22:00 cait number 60!
22:00 cait :)
22:00 rangi hint hint
22:00 rangi catalyst, so we cant sign off or qa
22:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
22:00 rangi bug 9611
21:59 drojf i remember i had to go and _say_ the password i want to the librarian in the lower saxony state library. that was the weirdest thing ever.
21:59 pianohacker rangi: excellent! Very good idea. Who did the work?
21:59 rangi i think
21:59 rangi there are patches waiting signoff
21:59 rangi yep pianohacker
21:59 rangi both of those should be fairly high priority
21:59 wizzyrea yes, that first probably
21:59 pianohacker rangi: for Koha login?
21:58 rangi also finishing of the bcrypt work too
21:58 wizzyrea or set them in the first place.
21:57 wizzyrea but I would like to see a mechanism by which borrowers can reset their own passwords
21:57 rangi yeah sending clear text passwords should never ever be done
21:57 wizzyrea that would be the obvious place ^.^
21:57 drojf by commenting out the line with the password could be a start ^^
21:56 wizzyrea no that would be not good. It could definitely be improved.
21:56 drojf *feature
21:55 * cait remembers that
21:55 drojf maybe i'll lose the whole featur on the way to email encryption then :P
21:55 cait i think youmissed it and spazzed out when i told you it existed ;)
21:55 cait it can be
21:55 rangi im pretty sure i spazzed out when that was added
21:55 drojf i did not know the password is in that email
21:55 rangi yeah never send passwords, people never change them
21:54 drojf that sounds reasonable
21:54 wizzyrea instead of sending the email.
21:54 drojf you mean no email at all?
21:54 wizzyrea yea, we should email a secure link back to the catalogue to allow them to set their password
21:54 cait probably not likely. we shouldn't have that email really
21:53 drojf 'send an "account details" notice to a newly created user' <-- any chance somebody would bring their GPG public key when opening an account and request the account details email to be encrypted?
21:52 tcohen i'm stuck in one "Closure" level, i'll keep it
21:52 wizzyrea I think I'm going to suggest a column with a header of ACTIONS that has the dropdown in it
21:51 tcohen heh, they are in the home NAS
21:51 mtompset Save the video games!
21:50 tcohen i'll delete some humble bundle games i don't use
21:50 mtompset No, don't do that, there may be something useful in there.
21:50 mtompset rm -rf /tmp ;)
21:50 mtompset OH MY!
21:50 * tcohen is in fear: a "127MB space left on /" message appeared
21:49 cait i think the links might have been better accessible
21:49 cait wizzyrea: i would like to know how it looks without javascript
21:48 rangi oh
21:48 wizzyrea oh no worries. it's one of those "hide in a dropdown things that used to be on the screen type bugs.
21:47 rangi ill try to have a look later
21:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move saved reports action items into dropdown menu
21:47 wizzyrea bug 10615 - do any of you think this might be confusing to librarians? It's quite a big change from the old way
21:43 rangi it all went downhill in 2007 tho
21:42 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/2006/kohafiji/usp oh and koha training in fiji
21:41 rangi yep :)
21:41 drojf i think it's about FOSS people being reckless drivers
21:40 cait rangi: very cool :)
21:40 bag they'd end up with some guy wearing glasses holding his hands together looking at the podium?
21:40 rangi 2006 was an interesting year, i had linus torvalds come to my koha talk, and first kohacon ever
21:39 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/2006/Kohacon06/1121748177_l
21:39 rangi best advertisment for why proprietary software is bad
21:38 rangi heh
21:38 bag that's easy now :P
21:37 bag oh jon hall - doh
21:37 rangi http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/25/jon-maddog-hall-comes-out-in-honor-of-alan-turings-birthday/
21:37 rangi he's pretty cool
21:37 bag I can only "id" two in the picture
21:37 wizzyrea he looks like a maddog
21:37 rangi tcohen: me, linus, paul 'rusty' russel (wrote netfilter and iptables), and jon 'maddog' hall
21:36 bag my pockets come with wheelbarrows
21:36 pianohacker (newphonenewphonenewphone)
21:36 pianohacker I was actually just talking with larryb about that. Just got the droid dna, which is gorgeous (441 ppi screen!) but kind of huge
21:35 bag heh
21:35 pianohacker hahahaha
21:35 wizzyrea *trousers
21:35 * wizzyrea guesses bag has really big pants
21:35 drojf a nice ibackpack…
21:35 rangi i think its still in the garage somewhere
21:35 bag well dpends on the pocket
21:35 rangi hehe yep
21:35 wizzyrea pretty hard to fit in your pocket :)
21:34 wizzyrea lol
21:34 drojf lol
21:34 tcohen alan?
21:34 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/unsorted/DSC02487
21:34 drojf rangi: i don't think so
21:34 rangi hehe
21:34 tcohen including you heh
21:33 tcohen just two of them...
21:33 rangi drojf: did i ever show you my iphone ?
21:33 jcamins rangi: do we get 15 points if we name more than 4 people?
21:32 rangi 15 points if you can name all 4 people
21:32 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/unsorted/photo <-- same conference
21:31 wizzyrea ha
21:31 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/2006/lca2006/DSC01941
21:30 wizzyrea you know the most interesting people.
21:30 rangi even though ive flown in a helicopter with him
21:30 rangi exactly tcohen
21:29 tcohen you don't trust shuttleworth
21:29 rangi i just dont like rpm as a packaging system
21:29 drojf heh
21:29 rangi oh i trust redhat more
21:29 mtompset no more than you trust red hat, either?
21:28 rangi i dont trust canoncial
21:28 rangi if i wasnt using debian id use mint
21:28 rangi mtompset: mint is a debian based one, and is nicer than ubuntu
21:28 drojf ;)
21:28 drojf i plan to build one from yerba mate softdrink bottles
21:28 rangi damn spammers
21:28 drojf i'd be happy with córdoba if i already had a raft to go there
21:27 mtompset But you can use xfce in Ubuntu or Debian, can't you?
21:26 pianohacker hahahaha, 441 ppi :D
21:26 drojf 3.8.4?
21:26 jcamins tcohen: I like the irony of the name.
21:26 tcohen they love xfce
21:26 cait morning rangi :)
21:26 mtompset mint?! Why go with linux mint?
21:26 rangi im quite happy if cordoba is the only choice :)
21:25 drojf who needs to hack? we stop development and everyone build their own livedvd instead
21:25 tcohen they got stuck a while ago http://sourceforge.net/projects/livekohacba/
21:25 cait lol
21:24 mtompset drojf: NO WAY!
21:24 tcohen please nooooooooooooo
21:24 tcohen no no
21:24 drojf we could skip the hackfest in favour of the livedvdfest
21:24 drojf tcohen: so you are proposing to combine kohacon2014 and livedvdkohacon2014 in córdoba? great!
21:23 mtompset [off] the majority of them, perhaps, but I don't think all. And do I think that for demoing purposes a LiveDVD/LiveCD is useful.
21:22 jcamins [off] No it wouldn't. It would be a bunch of self-aggrandizing non-contributors.
21:22 tcohen we currently have a livecd task force in cordoba :-P
21:21 mtompset a LiveDVD KohaCon? That would be an interesting/heated topic/workshop. And would be something interesting to argue over at the hackfest part.
21:21 drojf i hav not heard anything about livedvds in a while. could be interesting to get some updates
21:20 wahanui mtompset: I forgot huh? why
21:20 mtompset wahanui forget huh? why?
21:20 wahanui mtompset, I didn't have anything matching huh
21:20 mtompset wahanui forget huh?
21:20 wahanui mtompset, I didn't have anything matching huh
21:20 mtompset wahanui forget huh
21:19 wahanui Huh? why are you installing firefox instead of just using iceweasel?
21:19 mtompset Huh? why?
21:19 drojf should i also ask for proposals for a livedvdkohacon?
21:18 mtompset jcamins: It makes sense, but for init rc stuff, I wasn't expecting /usr/local versions.
21:17 tcohen heh, it was not intended to sound like that :-P
21:17 drojf tcohen: i just said i will :P
21:16 jcamins drojf: not particularly. This way I don't need to read anything. :P
21:16 drojf no spreadsheet calculation things and spammy emails
21:16 tcohen maybe need to send some more emails?
21:15 drojf jcamins: why not? nothing wrong with them winning, but isn't it more fun?
21:15 cait but i think less options, less drama
21:15 cait no idea
21:15 drojf what happened to the gazillion of proposals from last year?
21:15 jcamins Why?
21:14 drojf córdoba needs some competition
21:14 drojf maybe, if i get icecream ;)
21:13 wizzyrea tomorrow then ;)
21:13 drojf no. brain shut down already
21:13 cait wizzyrea: be nice, it's late :)
21:13 wizzyrea :)
21:13 wizzyrea yes, like now :P
21:13 drojf oh, i have to send that kohacon2014 email soon
21:12 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10617 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Init script cleanup
21:12 drojf trivial patch including "build your own package". no deal :P
21:12 wizzyrea bug 10617
21:09 tcohen 10617
21:09 cait pianohacker: whatever you prefer
21:08 cait hehe
21:08 tcohen i just uploaded a trivial patch btw :-P
21:08 tcohen cait: druthb would tackle on us if we recommended patches for sign-off
21:07 pianohacker now, do you mean sign off the 60th patch, or add a 60th patch to the queue? >:D
21:06 cait noone to sign off number 60?
20:44 drojf yay!
20:44 cait that should have done it
20:44 drojf ok i did that
20:43 cait doesn't matter :)
20:43 drojf my first issue comes next week :D
20:43 cait means switching the status from expected to arrived
20:43 cait and receive an issue
20:43 cait then go back to serials
20:43 cait ok, subscribe
20:43 drojf yes
20:43 drojf cait++
20:43 cait in the opac?
20:42 drojf thank you
20:42 cait yay!
20:42 drojf ok i see a link now to subscribe
20:42 drojf ;)
20:42 drojf how would i know about it? i clicked wildly through the gibberish on that page
20:42 cait i thought oyu had already done that
20:42 cait that's the first step
20:41 drojf :P
20:41 drojf ok. that was easy once you told me it is in the staff client and not the opac where you told me to look for it
20:40 cait make sure it does not say none
20:40 cait te field is labelled: Patron notificaton
20:39 wahanui jcamins: what?
20:39 jcamins wahanui: not right now!
20:39 wahanui pull down is empty?
20:39 cait pull down
20:39 cait left column
20:39 cait ok, edit your subscripiton
20:39 cait but you are being stubborn :P
20:39 cait there is.
20:38 drojf there is no patron notification
20:38 cait oh my, i will make you a screenshot
20:38 drojf The current subscription began on 07/19/2013 and is issued every week for 12 months The first subscription was started on
20:38 jcamins drojf: init/rc, same difference.
20:38 drojf oh mom
20:37 drojf it does not exist?
20:37 jcamins mtompset: I found BSD's init rc system to be more straightforward than Linux's.
20:36 cait ?
20:36 cait what does your subscription detail view say for patron notification
20:36 cait (22:34:22) cait: and more details
20:36 cait (22:34:20) cait: subscription tab
20:36 cait (22:34:17) cait: now go to the record in the opac
20:36 cait i am not
20:36 drojf you are speaking in tongues
20:36 cait you are not listening
20:36 cait *sigh*
20:35 drojf i think you wanted me to do something else but i have no idea what that might be
20:35 drojf i have üput myself manually onto the routing list at rank 1. in the staff client
20:34 drojf aaaah
20:34 drojf put what in where?
20:34 cait and more details
20:34 cait subscription tab
20:34 cait now go to the record in the opac
20:34 cait so you put it in?
20:34 cait no
20:34 drojf so staff has to manually add people to that list?
20:33 drojf i dont see that on the opac side
20:33 drojf ah i found that routing list thing
20:33 cait drojf: no they are not for the library.
20:32 cait which is not accurate
20:32 wahanui well, drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi!
20:32 drojf i what?
20:32 cait the default one is named RLIST - routing list
20:32 cait or else the link won't show up
20:32 drojf if they are for the library the same email in from and to would make sense
20:32 cait you check if you have sleected a template for patron notification in your subscription
20:32 mtompset just being annoyed by the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/blah mess of FreeBSD.
20:32 cait i know that much
20:32 cait drojf: they do go through message queue
20:32 mtompset I deleted my opensuse VM. Sorry, don't recall.
20:32 drojf oh. ah. hm. err. are those subscription alerts supposed to be sent to the library, not a patron?
20:31 tcohen where does opensuse store init scripts configurations? /etc/sysconfig/appname?
20:31 pianohacker cashews are goddamn fantastic
20:31 jcamins Which reminds me. I need more cashews.
20:31 mtompset yes?
20:31 jcamins :D
20:31 jcamins pianohacker: broken, because broken cashews are $4.49/lb and whole cashes are $7.99/lb.
20:30 tcohen mtompset:
20:30 pianohacker jcamins: cashews? Interesting. Whole or sliced?
20:30 drojf i open that in the opac?
20:30 drojf ok i have a subscription now. and what do i do next?
20:29 drojf i don't think i have seen them. or they use the "regular" (lol) way of sending mails
20:27 cait yu did check those, right? :P
20:27 cait your suggestion has been rejected... etc.
20:27 cait your suggestion has been accepted
20:27 cait like... suggestion mails
20:27 cait yeah
20:25 drojf acq mails?
20:25 cait it's really lots less painful then setting up acq mails
20:25 drojf then i revert it and don't care about it at all :P
20:25 cait just do a really easy subscription
20:25 * cait as QA doesn't buy that
20:24 drojf err. i have no subscriptions. that sounds like too much fun to set up now to have a look at a broken email function. i hereby declare that the encrypion just works
20:24 cait and don't get irritated by the documentation stating it has something to do with routing lists, it has not
20:24 jcamins Cashews, onions, sundried tomatoes, rosemary, etc.
20:24 cait the subscriptions are stort in the alerts table
20:24 jcamins I go for whatever-I-can-find-in-the-fridge-and-pantry toppings.
20:23 cait in the second history of the subscription in the opac
20:23 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:23 pianohacker interesting.
20:23 cait there will be a link
20:23 cait when you have a patorn notification selected in the subscription
20:23 drojf what??
20:23 cait they just work
20:23 cait drojf: there is no switch
20:23 jcamins Well- I like pepperoni, but no other meat.
20:23 jcamins pianohacker: no, I don't like meat on pizza.
20:22 drojf how do these serial alert things work? there is not even a syspref with alert in the name :(
20:19 cait i don#t like cauliflower
20:19 cait lol
20:19 drojf oh no, kde's rotten network manager made me miss all the cauliflower talk
20:17 * cait waves as oleonard leaves
20:17 pianohacker jcamins: You generally go for low-topping pizza?
20:16 oleonard Bye everyone
20:16 oleonard Not me, it's quitting time!
20:15 cait preferrably a unimarc one? :)
20:15 cait to make it 60? :)
20:15 cait ok, can i get one more sign off?
20:15 jcamins [off] Nozzz, izzz dozzzz notzzzz.
20:14 cait [off] oh again?
20:14 tcohen [off] questionz on the listz with lotsz of zz
20:13 cait [off] miss what?
20:12 mtompset YAY! found the pizza crust recipe.
20:12 tcohen [off] don't you people mizz that guyz?
20:07 mtompset or did you forget how to test it too?
20:07 mtompset start with the testing, and then you'll know?
20:07 drojf just start again to be on the safe side
20:06 oleonard Thinking "Was this not done, not fully tested, or did you just not have time to submit the patch?"
20:06 mtompset having one of those "What was I thinking X months ago?" moments, oleonard?
20:06 jcamins "Insufficient pizza."
20:05 oleonard I need to leave myself better notes about why a particular branch is unfinished.
20:04 drojf lol
20:04 jcamins It wasn't pizza.
20:04 mtompset Well, it's a cauliflower base for what is called a pizza.
20:04 jcamins No, the white sauce was really good.
20:03 oleonard Cauliflower with cauliflower white sauce?
20:03 jcamins It was bizarrely good.
20:03 jcamins A cauliflower white sauce.
20:03 jcamins You know what I had that was really good with cauliflower?
20:03 drojf so it's cauliflower dough, not on top??
20:02 mtompset It can be... the goal is to avoid the carbohydrates from the dough.
20:01 oleonard mtompset: Vegan?
20:01 jcamins drojf: me too.
20:01 drojf also i have some kind of deja-vu feeling
20:00 drojf i think i agree with jcamins ;)
20:00 mtompset That reminds me... I was going to look up the cauliflower-based pizza recipe.
20:00 drojf that sounds not really attractive :P
20:00 mtompset meatlover's pizza... it's all the usual meats: pepperoni, sausage, ham, bacon strips or crumble, etc. etc.
19:59 jcamins mtompset: sounds perfect, if you take away the sausage, ham, and whatever else is involved.
19:59 * mtompset laughs.
19:59 pianohacker oh
19:59 pianohacker wut?
19:59 * oleonard blames this conflict on pianohacker's pessimism
19:59 drojf meatlover's pizza?
19:58 mtompset oregano on a meatlover's pizza is a nice add on. :)
19:58 mtompset dominos pizza? We have pizza pizza here. That's better than dominos.
19:58 wahanui thanks druthb :)
19:58 druthb wahanui: botsnack pizza.
19:57 wahanui cait is counting on magnuse here a little bit...
19:57 druthb wahanui: cait?
19:57 * druthb pokes wahanui with her pointy stick, gently.
19:57 mtompset At least 2400 too many, it would seem.
19:57 cait heh
19:57 oleonard What can I say mtompset, I have many irons in the fire.
19:56 pianohacker oleonard: You're up for a really painful rebase, it sounds like
19:56 mtompset 2426?!
19:56 pianohacker I've had enough of it since I came to college that I'm starting to enjoy it ;_;
19:56 druthb lulz
19:56 wahanui dominos is not pizza. It is flavored cardboard.
19:56 druthb wahanui: dominos?
19:55 druthb ooh.
19:55 cait lower in calories?
19:55 pianohacker Yeah
19:55 druthb dominos is not pizza. It is flavored cardboard.
19:55 jcamins pianohacker: that is true.
19:55 oleonard "Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged, and have 1 and 2426 different commits each, respectively."
19:55 pianohacker jcamins: You live in NY, your takeout pizza is miles above what I can get :P
19:55 cait same here
19:54 jcamins We had takeout pizza for lunch.
19:54 cait hmmm would think so
19:54 pianohacker cait: Does dominos count? I am pretty hungry
19:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once
19:51 * oleonard hopes third time is a charm for Bug 3134
19:50 cait who is having pizza today?
19:50 cait it's friday!
19:50 * cait hands out a round of cookies
19:49 drojf :)
19:49 druthb drojf!
19:49 drojf druthb!
19:33 cait for that it sounds right i guess
19:33 cait hm the one in the history?
19:33 oleonard Is this correct? "'Subscription end date' should only be entered for subscriptions that have ended (if you're entering in a backlog of serials)"
19:32 cait i like thunderstorms
19:32 cait ooh nice
19:32 * oleonard is listening to a loud thunderstorm outside
19:32 cait and we are back up to 59!
19:31 cait i had the signed off queue down to 34 on last sunday
19:31 cait gogogo :)
19:31 oleonard For me, another 45 minutes
19:30 cait how muc longer?
19:30 cait ah
19:30 oleonard Nope, still normal work hours here
19:30 cait oleonard: late shift?
19:27 cait oleonard++ and cookies
19:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8694 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Show accurate subscription renewal warning for expired subscriptions
19:27 * oleonard is trying to pick up Bug 8694 again
19:26 cait i always go yearly
19:26 cait i never tried a 5 month subscription
19:26 cait i can hel mor ewith acq i think
19:26 drojf cait: have you had a look at that serial alert thing with the same email in from and to?
19:25 drojf heh
19:25 cait :(
19:25 oleonard I hate acquisitions, and I hate serials! I can never tell if I just don't understand the workflow or if it doesn't actually make sense.
19:24 drojf i suppose i can save the time to do anything about encryption of emails between library and vendors?
19:22 drojf s/key/keys
19:22 drojf yay, i can add and delete gpg key via koha
19:21 cait hm
19:21 oleonard Normal
19:21 cait oleonard: are you looking at normal serials? or with a patch?
19:20 cait it seems to assume that 1/month should be 12 then
19:20 cait hm
19:17 oleonard "Warning irregularity detected. 12 issues expected, 5 were entered"
19:15 cait oleonard: hm where does it say 12?
19:14 oleonard It doesn't seem to matter what date I put in the start or end date field.
19:13 * drojf gives cait a cookie
19:13 drojf :)
19:13 cait and i wanted to be nice!
19:12 drojf yay!
19:12 cait drojf: i slept earlier.
19:12 cait subscription start and end date
19:12 drojf saying hi the second i enter… what do you want? :P
19:12 drojf hi cait
19:11 oleonard Which dates?
19:11 cait and the dates are 5 months too?
19:11 cait hm
19:10 oleonard 1/month, 5 issues expected, subscription length: 5 months.
19:10 cait hi drojf
19:10 cait did you choose a length of 12 months/issues?
19:10 cait did you choose a monthly prediction pattern?
19:10 cait hm
19:08 oleonard Why would Serials warn me that 12 issues are expected if I have specified that 5 are expected?
18:37 tcohen nice weekend for every1 #koha
18:12 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 32.8°C (1:41 PM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT this evening...
18:12 oleonard @wunder 45701
18:08 mtompset That's pretty chilly, tcohen.
18:08 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is 27.0°C (2:00 PM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
18:08 mtompset @wunder toronto, canada
18:06 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 33.5°C (1:00 PM CDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
18:06 rambutan @wunder 64507
18:06 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 7.0°C (3:00 PM ART on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
18:05 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
17:50 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 26.6°C (7:50 PM CEST on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
17:50 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:33 cait ok hm
17:33 cait i think it only ever used to work in acq
17:32 oleonard neworderempty.pl
17:32 cait testing it :)
17:32 cait oleonard: where are you testin git?
17:10 pianohacker oleonard: khall's out today, unfortunately, so he wouldn't have any info on the patch
17:05 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10442 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove references to non-standard "error" class
17:05 oleonard If I can't get it to trigger an error I can't correct Bug 10442 properly.
17:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10483 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , check_uniqueness.pl does not work
17:04 oleonard Still trying to successfully test Bug 10483. Still doesn't warn me about duplicate barcodes.
15:52 gmcharlt kf: thanks!
15:50 gaetan_B bye !
15:50 kf and Alles Gute zum Geburtstag gmcharlt :)
15:49 kf Joubu: have a good vacation!
15:49 kf oh now I missed Joubu
15:30 rambutan hi mtompset
15:30 mtompset And happy birthday, gmcharlt. :)
15:30 mtompset Greetings, oleonard gmcharlt rambutan.
15:28 rambutan I note that Evergreen got a blurb in "Computers In LIbraries" in association w/ Alexander Street Press--for some search and record dev work
15:21 eythian papa was working late.
15:21 gmcharlt oleonard: looks good
15:20 gmcharlt Joubu: have a good time off
15:19 oleonard Bye Joubu
15:19 Joubu bye #koha
15:19 * Joubu will be afk for 3 weeks
15:18 oleonard How about this: http://www.screencast.com/t/lLxIcLxa
15:14 druthb gmcharlt++
15:14 * druthb sings "happy birthday."
15:14 druthb oh! Today is gmcharlt's birthday, too!
15:12 reiveune bye
15:11 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #206: "There's a bug for that" (added by chrisc at 11:55 PM, May 24, 2012)
15:11 gmcharlt @quote random
15:11 gmcharlt druthb++
15:08 druthb yep. :)
15:08 mtompset I've lost track of time.
15:08 mtompset Greetings, druthb. So today is happy anniversary?
15:07 * druthb waves to mtompset
15:07 mtompset There. Now the response will be more accurate. :)
15:02 pianohacker hey eythian
15:02 wahanui rumour has it mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs
15:02 pianohacker hey mtompset
15:02 eythian hi
15:02 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker
15:01 mtompset Greetings, eythian kf.
15:00 mtompset True enough.
15:00 kf well, people still ask
15:00 mtompset Didn't someone here tell me WorldCat was evil?
15:00 kf http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/oclcappendix.html
15:00 kf yeah, but i found it
14:59 mtompset oclc?
14:58 kf hm do we have infrmation about koha and oclc connexion somehwere?
14:55 tcohen somewhere, not shure what will happen to that
14:55 tcohen its just my mistake, but cannot belive i was able to upload it
14:55 tcohen of course it isn't
14:55 eythian Koha isn't really read for submission to Ubuntu yet, tcohen
14:53 tcohen i forgot to tell dput *where* to upload heh
14:52 tcohen suddenly, dput koha_3.12.1~indexer3_amd64.changes is uploading stuff to upload.ubuntu.com WTF?
14:46 mtompset Today's fun side task: attempt FreeBSD Koha install. :)
14:46 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. :)
14:46 tcohen hi mtompset
14:46 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:38 kf oleonard++
14:20 tcohen oh, thanks
14:20 tcohen ?
14:20 rambutan tcohen++
14:12 kf yay :)
14:12 tcohen i've rolled my first deb upgrade :-D
14:08 kf hi tcohen :)
13:19 eythian however, I've emailed evan so hope to have it back soon.
13:18 eythian oleonard: not right now because my password has gone in the relocation of identi.ca, and I didn't have an email set up to do recovery
13:17 oleonard eythian: Do you use pump.io?
13:16 wahanui I think you mean https://openfarmgame.com/ oleonard
13:16 oleonard farmville?
13:15 wahanui OK, eythian.
13:15 eythian wahanui: farmville is <reply>I think you mean https://openfarmgame.com/ $who
13:15 wahanui eythian: excuse me?
13:15 eythian wahanui: farmville
13:10 Joubu yep, an example in the qa-tools repo: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=qa-test-tools.git;a=blob;f=qa-tools/git/pre-commit;h=61281a6826c0d7a202d522f35f39e3046cf1ff98;hb=HEAD
13:07 oleonard So handy.
13:07 oleonard Hey everyone, if you're not using a pre-commit hook which stops you before you commit with things like console.log and warn, you should!
12:54 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7598: [Follow-up] make strings in acquisitions JavaScript translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b38187d8b004316b17d1e67753d638e96bb62bb8> / Bug 7598: make strings in acquisitions JavaScript translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f69e13665da007a6ab28e4c1d5a7d1a50f3ac3ac>
12:26 tcohen hi kf
12:19 wahanui hello, oleonard
12:19 oleonard Hi
12:19 kf morning oleonard :)
12:09 drojf kf++
12:06 tcohen morning #koha
11:35 kf Joubu++ cool thx
10:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9410 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, hugh, In Discussion , Formatting of the discount field when doing a new order from new empty record is not correct
10:55 Joubu kf I submitted a quick draft on bug 9410, just a try...
10:22 kf or.. just find out how this works best.
10:17 kf that's why i put the one in discussion - maybe we should bring it to the mailing list... or find another way to fiugre out things that are in discussion
10:16 kf Joubu: yeah, not sure what to do here
10:11 Joubu kf: I know there are some reports about rates formats. I will try to do something but as you said, it's a big project
10:00 kf Joubu++ for tidying up :)
09:38 drojf ah right, it looks like it is in koha-foreach among others. i'll check those files, thanks eythian
09:35 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
09:35 eythian @later tell tcohen the PERL5LIB used by the scripts is something that also could go in /etc/default/koha-common I think.
09:34 eythian it's also defined in the /usr/sbin/koha-* scripts I think.
09:34 drojf i only find that somewhere in apache and that is correct
09:33 wahanui i heard PERL5LIB was set to /home/koha/kohaclone
09:33 eythian PERL5LIB
09:33 drojf looks like my cron jobs don't use the git version but the files of the package installation i based it on. why?
09:31 drojf hi kf
09:26 kf hi drojf :)
09:21 eythian it'd be warmer here I expect, but there's a bit of wind
09:20 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.4°C (11:12 AM CEST on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
09:20 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:18 kf although it's really nice outside
09:17 kf guess brighton wins today :)
09:17 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 23.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
09:17 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:09 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Saltdean, Brighton, United Kingdom is 23.8°C (10:05 AM BST on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
09:09 eythian @wunder bn1 1nb
09:09 drojf hi #koha
08:37 eythian wizzyrea: I hope my house didn't fall over :)
08:37 kf hi eythian and christophe_c
08:31 christophe_c hello kf
08:26 eythian hi
08:21 kf hi #koha
07:54 christophe_c hello #koha
07:29 gaetan_B hello
07:09 dcook Have a good friday/weekend folks!
06:38 reiveune hello
06:37 dcook hey ya reiveune :)
06:18 dcook In the end, I'll just do some code checks, but it is...interesting nonetheless
06:18 dcook Very possibly
06:04 rangi mysql_warning_count will have something i bet
06:01 dcook Looks like I had a warning for that as well, but it never showed either
06:00 * dcook goes to check anyway
06:00 dcook If there is a $sth-err, it bails, and that wasn't happening
05:59 rangi check the contents of $sth->err
05:59 dcook Which should actually be pretty easy..
05:59 dcook Smarter code it is
05:58 dcook rangi: Looks like neither of those methods work
05:56 dcook Nope...
05:56 dcook Mmm, I'm probably doing it in the wrong spot..
05:55 dcook Hmm, not sure that worked...
05:54 dcook Oh...I like that...
05:53 rangi $dbh->{RaiseError} =1 ;
05:53 rangi you can do this too
05:53 dcook But I gotcha
05:52 dcook Yeah, that's where I'm looking O_o
05:52 rangi the DBI->connect bit
05:52 rangi nope
05:52 dcook Mmm, the part where it looks for the ENV{DEBUG} ?
05:52 rangi and add RaiseError => 1
05:51 rangi the dbh bit
05:51 rangi edit C4/Context.pm
05:51 dcook rangi: Indeed :)
05:50 cait dcook: hm it was always like that - bit annoying
05:50 rangi ie, you have to be smarter in your code
05:50 rangi but yep mysql tries to help, and assumes you meant to do that
05:50 rangi it will if you have raise_error on
05:50 dcook Rather than producing an error that your code is over 10 characters
05:49 dcook It'll truncate the last character, since it's over the 10 limit, and insert it into the database
05:49 dcook But if you intervene...and tell it to insert a code of "TEST_CODE56"
05:49 dcook Well, I guess this is a pretty rare scenario...
05:49 dcook Let's say you have a borrower attribute type of "TEST_CODE5"
05:48 dcook The "code" field of borrower_attributes is VARCHAR(10)
05:47 cait hm?
05:44 dcook Probably DBI or some other mysql driver..
05:44 dcook Or...DBI..
05:44 dcook Hmm, maybe it is a bug in Mysql..
05:44 dcook Man...I thought I had undercovered some major bug..
05:43 cait hi dcook :)
05:41 dcook morning cait :)
05:40 cait good morning #koha
04:23 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
04:23 mtompset Sleep is calling.
04:18 mtompset a perl question before going to sleep. sprintf clearly left justifies and right justifies well. How do you tell it to center justify?
03:59 mtompset I'm sure it does, but there's nothing like having done it to feel confident about that. :)
03:58 wizzyrea works just fine.
03:57 mtompset See what happens when I try to do something strange like check out an older version of koha.
03:56 mtompset Though, that is another thing to put on my todo list: try out koha-gitify.
03:54 mtompset and nothing mentioning how to set up dh-make-perl's cpan2deb.
03:54 mtompset because there's nothing mentioning how to set up qa-test-tools.
03:54 wahanui it has been said that version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
03:54 wizzyrea version control using git?
03:54 wizzyrea plus there's
03:53 wizzyrea https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify
03:52 wizzyrea www.github.com/mkfifo
03:52 Oak cool :)
03:52 wizzyrea why? just use gitify.
03:52 mtompset Okay. Just writing up some steps to set up a development VM from scratch.
03:51 Oak things are ok. thank you! what about you mtompset?
03:50 mtompset How are things with you, Oak?
03:50 * Oak waves
03:50 Oak hello mtompset :)
03:44 mtompset Greetings, Oak. :)
03:15 * dcook growls semi-playfully at Perl
03:15 dcook Exporter!
03:15 * dcook tries to remember what he was doing
03:15 dcook Durrr
03:15 dcook Ahh
03:15 dcook O_o
03:02 wahanui mtompset: I forgot y
03:02 mtompset forget the y
03:02 wahanui the y is messed up.
03:02 mtompset the y?
03:02 mtompset the y
03:02 mtompset y
03:02 wahanui i already had it that way, mtompset.
03:02 mtompset yes, the y is messed up.
03:02 druthb lulz
03:02 wizzyrea the y is messed up.
03:02 wahanui \ ^o^ /o/ /o\
03:02 wizzyrea ymca?
03:01 druthb :D
03:01 mtompset \o
03:01 mtompset o/
03:01 mtompset \o/
02:56 druthb \o/
02:56 dcook \o
02:56 druthb o/
02:20 dcook Just the memory of my grandfather climbing up out of this 4 foot wide hole in the ground with a bag of potatos in his hands :)
02:20 dcook I think my family grew some as a kid and my grandparents have a farm with a huge garden and a root cellar, but...I don't really remember anything
02:19 dcook You read my mind! I was going to ask ;)
02:19 dcook hehe
02:17 kathryn am planning for agrias and jersey whatsamcallits, they're my faves. Oh and I'm a first time grower I have no advice!
02:15 dcook Sweet. What kind of potatos? If all goes well, we might have to build some boxes for the backyard...
02:13 kathryn ooh nice. my gardening will infact be preparing a potato plot!
02:12 dcook We're growing potatos at the moment in some large pots next to the house. I've never done it before but the stalks are getting pretty tall, so I'm excited for what's under the earth...
02:11 dcook Sounds good except the chores ;)
02:10 kathryn baby shower for first in next generation on my side of the fam tomorrow, then seeing some pals. Maybe a little gardening. Chores...
02:05 dcook Any plans for the weekend?
02:04 kathryn :)
02:04 dcook kathryn: I suppose a quiet Friday can't be all bad ;)
02:04 dcook Next weekend...ack. I better not forget..
02:04 dcook Wintervention (being a sort of Christmas in July)
02:03 dcook Hmm, good point. That reminds me that Wintervention is coming up soon...
02:02 kathryn dcook: everyone but me has somewhere to be....
02:02 kathryn happy early birthday is a nice general greeting, for everyone except if it's your birthday!
02:01 dcook Why the empty office, kathryn?
02:01 dcook Yay chatting!
02:01 dcook I'm slightly confused, but that's all right!
02:00 kathryn turns a lurker into a chatter
02:00 kathryn I'm on my own in the office....
02:00 mtompset birthday greetings? Is it your birthday, gmcharlt?
02:00 kathryn hehe
02:00 kathryn for the early birthday wishes!
01:59 dcook kathryn: I didn't know anyone was listening :p. Why the thanks?
01:58 dcook Hmm?
01:58 kathryn oh thanks dcook :)
01:53 dcook Reading interest email alerting is working :D
01:52 dcook Chouette
01:52 dcook ^_^
01:52 dcook Indeed! That is the ticket!
01:50 dcook That must be it
01:50 dcook Unless they're calculated when they're being sent...
01:48 dcook Nope. I don't see it.
01:47 wahanui hmmm... unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either
01:47 dcook Unless...
01:46 dcook I can't for the life of me figure out how advanced notices have "to_addresses" when they're not passing a "to_address" variable to C4::Letters::EnqueueLetter
01:46 dcook Anyone around that's familiar with advance_notices.pl?
01:16 gmcharlt thanks
01:15 dcook Hope its a good one :)
01:15 dcook In that case, happy early birthday :p
01:14 dcook Just tough to remember the future/past relationship
01:14 gmcharlt heh
01:14 dcook That would be rather amazing at such a distance
01:14 dcook Well, not screwing them up
01:14 * dcook is eternally screwing up people's birthdays since moving to Oz
01:14 dcook So your birthday is Friday?
01:13 gmcharlt it's tomorrow in my timezone :)
01:13 dcook Well, maybe a little on the warm side
01:13 dcook Google tells me its a beautiful West Coast evening ;)
01:12 dcook I don't know why I thought Minnesota...but I was going to ask why you're on the computer so late in the evening on your birthday!
01:12 dcook Ahh, ok
01:12 gmcharlt Seattle
01:11 dcook gmcharlt: Are you in Minnesota?
01:10 cjh oohhh happy birthday gmcharlt !
01:07 gmcharlt thanks!
01:03 dcook Happy belated/early/on-time birthday, gmcharlt!
01:03 dcook Oooh yeah. Need to charge the phone...
01:02 tcohen good night #koha!
01:02 * tcohen better wishes gmcharlt a really awesome birthday and leave
01:01 tcohen oops, 2 mins of battery left
01:00 * dcook says without context
01:00 dcook boo code duplication!
01:00 tcohen it just bothered me so much code duplication
01:00 tcohen heh
00:59 tcohen mtompset, thing=indexer, of course, found a little bug, and of course led to a full rewrite
00:50 tweetbot [off] twitter: @bshum: "From @roganhamby - @ranginui @gmcharlt @tararobertson @kmlussier http://t.co/mTjcmJjMm6 #egils #KohaILS"
00:50 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9801: display facet labels in search results only when there are facet values <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f01606d89b487d585bf06eae1dd6de6ff138eab9>
00:42 mtompset The problem with being the maintainer is it usually comes with all the blame, and very little of the glory.
00:39 mtompset Oops... sip, not zip.
00:39 mtompset tcohen: Ah, I can see why you asked the question. koha-start-zip koha-start-zebra, for example, are the first syntax.
00:37 mtompset gmcharlt++ # you be crazy, me like. :)
00:36 gmcharlt mtompset: would you believe I took on that task voluntarily? ;)
00:36 mtompset Sorry to hear that. ;)
00:36 jcamins He's the maintainer, anyway.
00:36 gmcharlt mtompset: no, but I am the current maintainer of the package
00:35 mtompset Didn't gmcharlt write the routines?
00:35 jcamins And gmcharlt even knows the syntax.
00:34 gmcharlt my $leader = $record->leader();
00:34 gmcharlt mrx: the leader is special
00:34 jcamins mrx: if you take a look at the documentation, you'll see that the leader is accessed differently.
00:33 mrx my $field = $record->field('000'); print $field->as_string; but I'm getting error Can't call method "as_string" on an undefined value
00:33 mrx Hi All, I'm trying to access Leader field of marc record using script as my $record = GetMarcBiblio( $data->{biblionumber} );
00:32 mtompset can it be turned into a service? :)
00:31 mtompset what is the "thing" you are thinking about, tcohen?
00:30 mtompset It's more like "$ sudo service blah {start|stop|restart}
00:30 tcohen 3-0
00:29 mtompset tcohen: koha-thing --{start|stop|restart}
00:29 wahanui mtompset: I forgot latter
00:29 mtompset wahanui forget the latter
00:29 wahanui i heard the latter was more perl critic friendly.
00:29 mtompset the latter.
00:15 tcohen so 2-0, that's a desition heh, thanks
00:14 gmcharlt yep, koha-thing ... is my vote then
00:14 tcohen its for koha-* helper scripts
00:13 gmcharlt for an init script, or something like it? I prefer koha-thing {start|stop|restart}
00:12 tcohen please, don't flood the IRC with your answers
00:12 tcohen quick poll: koha-{start|stop|restart}-thing or koha-thing --{start|stop|restart} ?