Time Nick Message 00:34 tcohen night #koha 00:40 dcook morning #koha 01:09 dcook MARC-- 01:16 druthb @karma MARC 01:16 huginn` druthb: Karma for "MARC" has been increased 1 time and decreased 25 times for a total karma of -24. 01:16 druthb awr! 01:17 dcook The difference between the 730 and the 740 is weird... 01:17 * dcook checks to see if the 740 is actually obsolete 01:18 dcook Nope...doesn't look like it 01:18 dcook 730 is for an added entry title (with an authority) 01:18 dcook 740 is an added entry title (without an authority) 01:18 dcook O_o 01:18 druthb the mind of a cataloger is a scary place. 01:18 dcook No doubt about it 01:19 dcook Although I'm not sure many cataloguers understand these distinctions either 01:19 dcook Well, maybe these ones 01:19 dcook But I remember during one of my first cataloguing classes...my instructor mentioned "analytics" and I didn't really understand what she meant until recently 01:19 dcook Today seems more enlightening...in a terrifying way 01:21 dcook Actually... 01:21 dcook AACR2-- 01:21 dcook @karm AACR2 01:21 huginn` dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 01:21 dcook @karma AACR2 01:21 huginn` dcook: Karma for "AACR2" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 01:21 dcook :o 01:22 druthb AACR2-- 01:29 wizzyrea dcook you've seen the wiki page for koha analytics eh? 01:30 wizzyrea it's SO helpful. 01:30 wizzyrea analytics? 01:30 wahanui the 773$w field contains the value of the 001 field of the parent record. Also, MARC sucks. 01:30 wizzyrea kek. 01:30 dcook hehe 01:30 dcook Yeah, I've read it, but I don't think it's 100% correct 01:31 dcook In fact, the more I read, the more I think that "analytics" is a subject about which there are conflicting views 01:31 wizzyrea it's a library, they're full of mad schemes 01:31 dcook Yep :) 01:34 dcook Looking at changing the word "Analytics" on the catalogue, and trying to think of the best label... 01:34 dcook Because strictly speaking "Articles" wouldn't be a good label 01:34 dcook Because you can have analytics for things other than articles 01:35 dcook But "Analytics" is a rather esoteric term to use.. 01:37 dcook Analytics also present an odd situation for lending... 01:38 dcook While you might circulate the journal volume 01:38 dcook You can't really circulate a journal article (except via photocopy or scan) 01:43 dcook "Constituents" is pretty esoteric as well.. 01:44 jcamins dcook: actually, the distinction between 730 and 740 isn't that weird, if you think about it. 01:45 jcamins 740 is the equivalent of a 246 where it's not just an added title. 01:45 jcamins i.e. a title added entry rather than additional title would go in a 740 instead of a 246. 01:45 dcook How is 740 an equivalent of 246? 01:45 wizzyrea dcook I think what you are wanting is the thing that tracks requests for articles, but doesn't have to circulate them. 01:45 dcook wizzyrea: Perhaps? 01:46 dcook jcamins: Wouldn't that be a 730? 01:46 dcook Depending on if it were a uniform title 01:46 dcook (or if there were an authority record present...not entirely sure on that distinction) 01:46 jcamins dcook: no, 730 is for uniform titles, which are for things that *can be cataloged separately*. 01:46 dcook "Uniform title, a related or an analytical title that is controlled by an authority file or list, used as an added entry." 01:47 dcook That's from the 730 01:47 dcook Here's the 740: "Added entries for related or analytical titles that are not controlled through an authority file or list. (If related or analytical titles are controlled by an authority file, use field 730 (Added entry - uniform title))." 01:47 dcook Seems like the whole 440/490 thing 01:47 jcamins Very similar, yes. 01:48 dcook I'm a bit over the 730/740 at the moment anyway 01:48 dcook At the moment, I'm thinking about 773/774 pairings... 01:48 jcamins 774 is rarely used, alas. 01:48 dcook And the use of 700-750(?) added entries for analytics 01:49 * dcook is looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Analytic_Record_support as we speak 01:50 dcook "jcamins: We have one journal with 4176+ analytics" 01:50 dcook Good point 01:50 dcook I hadn't thought of it like that.. 01:50 dcook You wouldn't have a bib for each serial volume...just for the serial title 01:50 jcamins You know that RFC was never developed, right? 01:50 dcook Right, just looking at all the information I can get on "analytics" 01:51 dcook Partially for labelling purposes, and partially just for comprehension 01:51 jcamins That's not a great place to look for comprehension. 01:53 dcook Fair enough, but at least it's a conversation 01:53 jcamins Yeah, and unfortunately it's probably the best you're going to get. 01:53 jcamins Well... 01:53 jcamins You saw my talk, eh? 01:54 dcook Mmm, ish 01:54 dcook Since it's for a version of Koha beyond 3.8.0, it didn't meet my immediate needs 01:54 jcamins It was called Analytic records and Koha. 01:54 dcook The one from Kohacon12? 01:54 dcook I can be a bit ADD with videos as well ;) 01:54 jcamins Yeah. 01:54 jcamins It couldn't have been about a version post-3.8. 01:55 jcamins It was given shortly after the release of 3.8, wasn't it? 01:56 dcook Hmm 01:56 dcook I think it talked about 3 workflows, but I'm not sure all are available to me at the moment 01:56 dcook Plus, at the moment, I'm more interested in knowing what is "supposed" to occur rather than what "does" occur 01:57 jcamins All should be available. 01:57 jcamins That was definitely about 3.8. 01:57 dcook Hmm, perhaps I'll have to watch the video again sometime 01:57 dcook Do you have the link handy? 01:57 jcamins Actually I do. 01:57 jcamins http://archive.org/details/Kohacon12-AnalyticRecordsAndKoha 01:58 dcook Whoa...kf's catalogue does sound rather well linked 01:58 jcamins Please disregard the funny hair. 01:58 jcamins Yeah, I'm so jealous of kf's analytics. 01:58 jcamins And the authority records. 01:58 jcamins Well, other than the bizarreness of the way they decided to encode the added data. 02:08 dcook I think I understood while watching the video...but now I'm a bit back to square one 02:08 dcook 1) Catalogue by hand using the 773 02:09 dcook 2) EasyAnalyticalRecords, which creates a link next to the item record where you can link to other records? 02:09 dcook 3) ... 02:09 dcook A link/button that adds a child record? 02:09 jcamins Right, right, and "enhanced" analytics that pre-populates 773s in new records. 02:09 jcamins Exactly. 02:10 dcook Although you need to have EasyAnalyticalRecords and UseControlNo turned on for #3? 02:10 jcamins No, EasyAnalyticalRecords has to be turned off. 02:10 jcamins UseControlNo must be on, though. 02:12 dcook Interesting...thanks for the info :) 02:12 jcamins You're welcome. 02:14 dcook Hmm, EasyAnalyticalRecords is a neat idea. 02:15 jcamins It is. 02:15 jcamins It's not as elegant as enhanced analytics. 02:16 jcamins But it's very practical. 02:18 dcook I haven't seen it implemented, but it sounds very practical. Provided that you continue to use Koha. 02:19 dcook If you did want to share records or use another system some day, it seems like you'd be in trouble. 02:19 dcook You mentioned that 774s are rare... 02:19 jcamins Yes, definitely. 02:20 jcamins To both those observations. 02:20 dcook I suppose I'm still a bit confused as to the difference of added entries vs linking entries in the context of analytics 02:20 dcook The added entries explicitly say that they are to be used for analytic entries 02:21 dcook Yet, they do not in themselves link to those constituent records.. 02:21 jcamins Added entries are for collocation, not connection. 02:21 jcamins Linking entries are for connection but probably not collocation. 02:22 dcook It seems silly to me to have separate entries in that case 02:22 dcook Why not have one entry that does both? 02:22 jcamins Because you don't usually want both. 02:23 dcook Mmm, I suppose not. 02:23 jcamins Actually, looking at the way things are configured, linking entries are used for both. 02:23 dcook Wait...sometimes, I think you would 02:24 dcook jcamins: You mean in terms of the 773 (and possibly 787)? 02:25 jcamins Yes. 02:25 jcamins I don't think we handle 787 now. 02:25 dcook I added that one in recently but haven't sent in a patch yet 02:25 dcook It seems fairly similar to the 773 but with a different constant 02:25 dcook And I think perhaps a couple different subfields 02:25 jcamins Yup. 02:26 dcook I suppose a lot of added entries wouldn't be useful for linking 02:26 dcook With the exception of the 730 and 740 02:26 dcook But then since there are other types of linking relationships...maybe it does make sense to have another set for linking 02:28 dcook I imagine that 730 and 740s must be fairly rare as well 02:28 dcook Perhaps more rare for serials than monographs 02:29 dcook Aha! 02:30 dcook LoC gives an example where a record has a 730 and a 787...http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd730.html 02:30 dcook jcamins: I think I see now what you meant about collocation and connection. You're not always going to have separate records...but you might always want an added entry (unless you have a lot of added entries( 02:31 * dcook feels a bit like he's levelled up his MARC21 knowledge 02:31 jcamins Exactly. 02:31 jcamins I also use 730 for bound-withs. 02:32 jcamins (in instances where they're related) 02:32 dcook Yeah, I was reading a bit about that as well. That makes sense. 02:32 dcook Mmm, authority control. 02:32 jcamins Because the records aren't actually *linked* in a way appropriate for 76x-78x, but you'd like them collocated. 02:33 dcook Well, that's something I wasn't entirely clear on. 02:33 dcook Why aren't they linked in a way appropriate for 76x-78x? 02:34 jcamins There is no bibliographic relationship. 02:34 jcamins It is an accident of collocation. 02:36 dcook Hmm. 02:37 dcook But how is that really any different than a serial? 02:37 dcook Say you have an item with a collective title of essays 02:37 dcook I suppose it would be silly to reproduce a lot of the bibliographic information in multiple records when all you want is another title.. 02:38 jcamins Those are analytics. 02:38 dcook In the context of a bound-with, I'm fairly certain that the 730 would also be used as an analytic 02:38 jcamins Unless you mean from article to article, in which case you'd use 730/740. 02:38 dcook At least as LoC/MARC21 define it 02:38 dcook O_o 02:39 dcook article to article? 02:39 dcook Mm, I think I see what you're saying 02:39 dcook Wait, no I don't, lol 02:40 jcamins So, let's say we have an anthology that was analyzed. 02:40 dcook I can understand "Book" -> "Chapter" as an analytic. But wouldn't "Book" -> "Work 1" also be an analytic? 02:40 dcook k 02:40 jcamins The anthology has several analytics. Articles 1, 2, 3, and 4. 02:42 jcamins That's with 773. 02:42 jcamins The articles can be linked to the anthology with 774s. 02:42 jcamins However, the articles do not have any particular bibliographic relationship to each other. 02:43 jcamins But you might want to collocate them anyway. 02:43 jcamins So you add 730s. 02:44 dcook I'm with you so far. 02:44 jcamins That's about it, actually. 02:45 jcamins But 787 doesn't make sense. 02:45 dcook Probably not in this case. 02:46 dcook I'm a bit confused by your use of the term anthology. 02:46 dcook What you described seems like the regular process for a journal -> article relationship 02:46 jcamins Yes. 02:47 jcamins The reason I used anthology instead of journal is that you'd never link articles in a journal. 02:47 dcook And I was thinking "anthology -> essays/stories/works" would be the same 02:47 jcamins Yes. 02:47 dcook O_o 02:47 jcamins Think about it... 02:47 jcamins you might have 175 volumes of a journal. 02:47 jcamins Do you *really* want every article collocated with every article in each of those 175 volumes? 02:48 dcook You're not saying the same thing though 02:48 dcook You probably wouldn't want them collocated 02:48 dcook But you would want them linked 02:48 dcook Mmm, but I see what you mean 02:48 jcamins Only via the parent journal. 02:48 dcook Right 02:48 dcook Hence, the reason for anthology when describing the process of collocation and connection 02:48 dcook Ok, fair enough. 02:49 jcamins Yup. 02:49 dcook But that takes us back to the bound-with scenario. 02:49 jcamins The bound-with doesn't have a volume record. 02:49 jcamins Just articles. 02:49 dcook O_o 02:50 dcook I'm wondering if we have different ideas about what a bound-with is? 02:50 jcamins At least, that's the normal practice. 02:50 dcook I'm fairly new to the term, admittedly. 02:50 jcamins Possibly. 02:50 dcook You have a book with or without a collective title. 02:50 dcook Within that book, you have several related or unrelated works 02:50 jcamins Right. 02:51 jcamins That were published completely independently and later combined into a single binding. 02:51 dcook Possibly 02:51 dcook I read about a case where that wasn't necessarily the situation 02:51 dcook But anyway 02:51 jcamins Oh? 02:51 dcook The first work had been published before 02:51 wizzyrea a case you have to deal with? 02:51 dcook But the second was published for the first time in the book with the reprint of the first 02:51 dcook wizzyrea: Not really. 02:52 dcook wizzyrea: But maybe one day. 02:52 jcamins That wouldn't usually be called a "bound-with." 02:53 dcook What would it be called? 02:53 jcamins I don't think there is a term. 02:53 wizzyrea sounds like a remote edge case 02:53 dcook Well, regardless of that, back to both being published independently and later combined into a single binding. 02:53 jcamins You'd just include a note "published with a reprint of work 1, pp. 1-100." 02:54 jcamins (and there would be two records) 02:54 dcook Perhaps I use the word "reprint" incorrectly 02:54 dcook Actually, almost certainly 02:54 dcook Well, perhaps not certainly 02:54 jcamins Reissue? 02:54 * dcook shrugs 02:55 * jcamins tries to think of other possibilities. 02:55 * dcook tries to find the example 02:55 dcook http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/addedentries.html 02:56 dcook Oh wait...I'm silly 02:56 dcook Unless this isn't the example I'm thinking of 02:56 dcook In this case, they both were published before...just the 2nd one had a different title 02:57 dcook A better link: http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/addedentries.html#eg2 02:57 jcamins There are no analytics at all there. 02:57 jcamins That's a single record. 02:57 jcamins So there's no need for linking, just collocation. 02:58 dcook According to MARC21, that 700 and 740 are analytical entries 02:59 dcook They're added entries rather than linked entries... 02:59 jcamins Right, but not analytics. 02:59 wizzyrea gu4d4lc4n4l 02:59 dcook I haven't seen the term "analytics" used anywhere in MARC21 except in terms of "analytical entries" 02:59 jcamins wizzyrea: ? 02:59 wizzyrea yea neat. 02:59 dcook wizzyrea: That doesn't look like Greek :p 02:59 wizzyrea it's not 03:00 wizzyrea it's in the solomon islands :) 03:00 jcamins dcook: it's not, aren't you trying to figure out what "analytics" means? 03:00 dcook Not exactly 03:00 wizzyrea plus that's what marc looks like to me most days. 03:00 jcamins dcook: oh, I thought that's what you were trying to figure out... 03:00 dcook jcamins: Rather, I want to know why you would link articles in a journal via 773 but not works in a collected work l 03:01 jcamins I would use 773 in both cases. 03:01 dcook ... 03:01 dcook This whole time, I thought you were saying that you wouldn't 03:01 jcamins No, I would. 03:01 dcook Just a moment ago, you said "...there's no need for linking, just collocation" 03:01 jcamins I thought you were asking about why I would or would not use 730. 03:02 dcook Oh no, I can understand why you'd use a 730 for a collected work but not a journal 03:02 dcook Being mainly the number of 730s for a journal would be insane 03:03 jcamins Right. 03:03 jcamins And the reason you don't need linking is there's nothing to link to. 03:03 jcamins In that particular example. 03:03 dcook When would there be though? 03:03 dcook If they hadn't used 730s? 03:04 jcamins If they had more than one record. :P 03:04 dcook It seems to me that there's objectively no way to know if there is or is not more than one record in this instance :p 03:04 jcamins Sure there is. 03:05 jcamins There's a 505, 740, and no 773. 03:05 dcook Ok, but there could be 03:06 jcamins Yeah, and if they'd decided to go that way, they'd use linking fields, and 730s in the two child records. 03:06 dcook 730s in the child records? 03:06 jcamins Right. 03:06 jcamins If you want them collocated. 03:07 dcook Ack, I tripped up a moment ago 03:07 dcook That was the record for the collective works 03:07 dcook So there wouldn't be a 773, because the 773 is only in the child record 03:07 dcook Pointing back to the parent 03:07 dcook or host 03:09 jcamins But based on the 240, this is a record for the first child. 03:09 jcamins Which is why the presence of the 505 tells me that there's no other record. 03:09 jcamins Remember, this is all cataloger choice. 03:10 dcook That doesn't really make sense though. 03:10 dcook As the example says, " This edition consists of a collection of two separate works by the same author (cf. AACR2/LCRI 25.7), listed in a 505 contents note." 03:10 jcamins Why not? 03:10 dcook I take that to mean that this record is for the parent record or the collection 03:11 dcook The 240 is...a bit confusing 03:11 dcook But I figure that means the authorized title of the collective work happens to the be the same as the first work 03:11 jcamins The 240 makes sense because there are no analytic records. 03:11 jcamins Just the one. 03:12 dcook Mm, still not following. 03:12 jcamins It's a bit weird, but if you think about it, it does actually make sense. 03:12 dcook The parent record will never have a pointer to the child record, unless it has a 774, no? 03:12 * jcamins is too tired to think of another example of this offhand. 03:12 jcamins Right. 03:12 dcook Fair enough. I have been going pretty hard at you :p 03:12 dcook It makes sense to me insofar as it seems a bit purposeless to have another record 03:13 dcook So long as you index both titles, your user will find the record 03:13 dcook As a bibliographic unit, it probably should have just one record 03:14 dcook But by that same token, a serial should probably have a top level bib record for the work overall, then volume-level records with 730s for the individual articles 03:14 jcamins Only if there are independent titles. 03:15 dcook As in unbound titles? 03:15 jcamins Like, if each volume has its own title. 03:15 jcamins For example... 03:16 dcook Mmm, I follow 03:16 jcamins Vol. 1 of The Slavicist has the title "Slavic Librarianship." 03:16 dcook I suppose having records for individual articles allows you to do more with 6XX fields as well 03:16 jcamins Vol. 2 has the title "Libraries in Poland." 03:16 jcamins Then there would be three levels of records. 03:16 jcamins Serial, volume, article. 03:17 dcook From a search and circulation point of view, that could still make sense with the same title 03:17 dcook Actually, we've talked a bit about that with "kits" 03:18 dcook Having a container record (volume-equivalent) and then individual records for pieces 03:18 dcook You should be able to find each piece on its own... 03:18 jcamins Yes, that would make sense. 03:18 dcook But you need to know that's part of a specific kit...and that that specific kit is tied to a particular record 03:19 dcook So you check out the kit (or volume), and all the constituents records become unavailable 03:19 dcook contituent items even 03:19 jcamins That's what EasyAnalytics is for. 03:19 dcook Right, but that's not standards based 03:19 dcook There should be a standard for it 03:20 jcamins There should be. 03:20 dcook I suppose you could do it with marc21 03:20 dcook But it would be a lot of work as well 03:20 jcamins Let's make four new standards for it, so that we can all agree. :P 03:20 dcook hehe 03:20 dcook That's the crux of the whole thing. 03:21 dcook Even with a standard, it's not going to be implemented the same universally. 03:21 dcook As you said, it's all the cataloguers choice 03:21 dcook And better to make a error consistently than to sometimes follow a standard and sometimes not 03:21 jcamins Yup. 03:22 dcook Now that I think about it, in the case of the label for "Show analytics" 03:22 dcook We probably could go for "Show articles" or something like that 03:22 dcook Because that is only shown if the host record has a fixed field of "s - serial" 03:22 jcamins Or collection. 03:22 jcamins Or set, whichever it is. 03:22 dcook That might be new 03:23 jcamins Really? Maybe. 03:23 dcook My XSLT (from 3.8.0) just says s - serial 03:23 dcook Oh wait... 03:23 dcook Volumes of sets and traced series show as "Show volumes" 03:24 jcamins Oh, that may be what I was thinking of. 03:24 dcook Leader19 will show "Show: " followed by a link of some kind.. 03:27 * dcook shrugs 03:27 dcook Thanks for the stimulating conversation, jcamins :) 03:36 jcamins My pleasure. 03:50 manny irc 04:15 dcook How do people handle electronic resources? 04:15 dcook I would think that you would have a bibliographic record for an electronic resource, use as many 856s as needed, and have 0 item records 04:15 wizzyrea now that you can have URL's per item, it might make sense to have items 04:15 dcook That scenario does seem fairly common 04:15 dcook Although I'm not sure that I understand it 04:15 wizzyrea the display of the 856's might be... unruly. 04:16 dcook Hmm, I suppose 04:16 wizzyrea if you had one bibliographic record, with one resource associated 04:16 dcook We wrote a feature a while ago that merged the 856 and 952 URLs anyway.. 04:16 wizzyrea I'd do it in the 856 04:16 wizzyrea if you had more than one, I'd do it with urls in the items 04:16 dcook So if you have an item with a URL, do you just mark it as not for loan? 04:16 wizzyrea and use the item note to differentiate them 04:17 wizzyrea you make a not for loan type of "electronic resource" 04:17 wizzyrea or something like that 04:17 wizzyrea so essentially, yes 04:17 dcook Yeah, that seems to be the only way I've been able to figure 04:17 dcook Then possibly another label than "Available for reference" 04:18 jcamins I prefer 856s because they will all show up in the results. 04:18 dcook "Copies available electronically" perhaps 04:18 wizzyrea you can use "use restrictions" for that 04:18 * dcook agrees with jcamins 04:18 wizzyrea just create one 04:18 dcook Oh? 04:18 dcook "use restrictions"? 04:18 jcamins You can create another option for not for loan. 04:18 jcamins I do that a lot. 04:18 wizzyrea right, I'm saying you'd use both 04:18 wizzyrea a not for loan type of "electronic" 04:18 jcamins Ohhh, got it. 04:18 wizzyrea and a use restriction (it doesn't mean anything anyway) 04:19 wizzyrea "Avaliable for reference 04:19 wizzyrea or whatever 04:19 jcamins That makes sense. 04:19 wizzyrea then you can have 04:19 wizzyrea Electronic item - in library use only 04:19 wizzyrea electronic item - web accessible 04:19 wizzyrea and so on 04:20 dcook In the search results? 04:20 wizzyrea use restrictions can be used to describe how things are NOT restricted, as well as how they *are* 04:20 jcamins wizzyrea: agreed, that makes sense. 04:20 wizzyrea use restrictions are item only 04:20 wizzyrea and not-for-loan 04:21 wizzyrea so that's possibly a case against 856 04:21 wizzyrea truly? I'd probably add the 856 *and* the item. 04:21 wizzyrea yea, it's dupicated but... the item display can be so nice for that. 04:21 wizzyrea or I guess you can just type your use restriction into the link text 04:21 wizzyrea should you have one 04:22 wizzyrea the answer you seek, there's not a definitive one 04:22 wizzyrea :P 04:22 wizzyrea whichever display you like better 04:22 wizzyrea is the one you should use 04:24 dcook Well, it's not necessarily up to me in the end :p 04:24 dcook So the "use restriction" shows at the item-detail level.. 04:26 dcook If you don't allow holds on electronic item types, then you don't need to worry about hold...and "available" looks fine on the detail page (plus using that "use restriction" could be handy) 04:28 dcook Maybe the key is to add in some "use restriction" handling in XSLT.pm 04:28 dcook for things like "electronic" and "photocopy" 04:28 wizzyrea could do, could do 04:29 dcook Of course, that would need magic values... 04:29 jcamins dcook: huh? Why? 04:29 wahanui huh? Why are you installing firefox instead of just using iceweasel? 04:29 jcamins That's already available. 04:29 dcook jcamins: How do you mean? 04:29 dcook On my XSLT, there's "available for loan" and "available for reference" 04:29 dcook C'est tout 04:29 jcamins The use restrictions are available for display. 04:30 dcook On the detail page 04:30 dcook Not the research results 04:30 dcook search even 04:30 jcamins You just need to change the XSLT, not XSLT.pm as far as I can see. 04:31 jcamins However, I could be missing something. 04:31 dcook Mmm, I think you're probably right 04:32 dcook Nope, think it needs to be done in the XSLT.pm 04:32 dcook The item xml only has status, homebranch, itemcallnumber 04:32 jcamins Hm. In that case, yeah, requires a code change. 04:33 jcamins I thought it loaded the entire hashref. 04:34 jcamins Maybe that was changed for performance reasons. 04:35 dcook Could be. It would be nice to have access to more data. 04:35 wizzyrea yours only has that :P 04:35 wizzyrea 3.12 has a lot more stuff 04:36 dcook Good point, wizzyrea 04:36 dcook Damned 3.8... 04:36 wizzyrea but I think it does not have use restrictions - no matter it should be simple to add. 04:38 dcook Holdingbranch, location, and ccode, eh? 04:39 dcook Would have to hardcode in values for use restrictions, me thinks 04:39 dcook No context available for intranet v opac labels 04:41 dcook I'm thinking that "use restriction" might be better than "not for loan" 04:41 dcook In the case of wanting to be able to photocopy something, maybe you do want patrons to be able to place a hold on something 04:42 dcook And to check it out/check it in to record the use 04:47 wizzyrea well use restriction doesn't do anything 04:47 wizzyrea it's just a note 04:47 wizzyrea it has no behaviour 04:47 dcook Exactly. 04:47 dcook Which would be handy 04:48 dcook The behaviour could be controlled in the circ rules 04:48 dcook In this case, we just want to distinguish it as a special kind of available 04:48 * dcook tries to think if there are holes in this logic 04:49 wizzyrea you'll find them when you test it 04:49 wizzyrea :) 04:49 dcook True enough :) 04:49 wizzyrea if there are any 05:05 dcook Proposed the idea :) 05:06 dcook I just realized that it should actually be quite flexible 05:06 dcook Just add "use restriction" into the item xml, and then do all the hardcoding in the template... 05:06 dcook Which can be changed from client to client, if necessary 05:06 dcook And from Koha vendor to Koha vendor, of course 05:33 dcook Hey cait :) 05:33 cait hi dcook :) 05:33 dcook By chance does anyone know of an editor that has TT syntax highlighting? 05:33 dcook That would be awesome... 05:34 rangi dcook: vim 05:34 rangi vim has everything 05:35 rangi https://github.com/vim-perl/vim-perl 05:36 rangi under syntax is the tt2 plugin 05:36 rangi but it has a ton of other useful highlighting too 05:36 dcook Oh my... 05:36 * dcook grins 05:37 dcook Thanks, rangi 05:37 dcook I'm going to try this out :D 05:37 rangi @later tell tcohen yep they dont have full build environments set up yet, galens is testing docs, i could get them doing builds as well, but i would like galens to be running maria so we run tests on both mysql and maria 05:37 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded. 05:38 dcook Planning on moving Koha over to Maria? 05:40 rangi yep 05:40 rangi oracle are destroying mysql 05:40 rangi it wont be long before all the distros drop it 05:40 rangi we should be prepared 05:41 dcook Couldn't agree more 05:41 dcook I've known a few people who've recently moved over to it 05:42 dcook At least initially, it was pretty painless 05:42 rangi yep 05:47 dcook Hmm, is there a localized filetype.vim that can be edited? 05:48 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "this is pretty cool celebrating Ranganathan's birthday with a national #KohaILS workshop in India http://t.co/SQmmpmwEZP" 05:48 dcook That is rather cool.. 05:53 rangi i dont know 05:53 dcook I think it's a possibility. Looking into it now ;) 05:53 dcook http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/filetype.html#new-filetype 05:53 dcook Oh, vim 06:09 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:09 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 06:14 dcook rangi: No go in the end. The instructions for that syntax plugin aren't all that clear (to me). Plus, going through Putty probably means that I'm not seeing Vim's syntax highlighting anyway 06:14 dcook Although maybe it's just different colours.. 06:16 dcook Hmm, maybe because the files I downloaded were the wrong ones... 06:16 dcook That could make a difference 06:19 dcook W00t 06:19 dcook Helps when you use the actual code ;) 06:28 dcook rangi: Do you use that TT plugin for vim? 06:29 rangi havent nope, but i use the perl one 06:29 rangi plus the perltidy hooks 06:29 dcook I should probably do the same at some point... 06:29 dcook This TT plugin isn't too shabby 06:30 rangi its good for tidying just the stuff you have changed 06:30 dcook Handy 06:30 * dcook wonders when it got to be 4:30... 06:31 dcook P.S. Turns out you can set up a user filetype.vim :) 06:31 dcook Which will automatically apply the syntax highlighting for anything with a .tt file extension 06:32 rangi sweet 06:33 rangi ill add it to my user package 06:33 dcook Ideally, it would be nice if it could highlight the "end" tags... 06:34 dcook Maybe it can and I didn't set up that part right 06:37 reiveune hello 06:38 rangi hi reiveune 06:38 dcook hey reiveune :) 06:38 dcook ça va? 06:38 reiveune hi rangi , dcook :) 06:39 reiveune dcook: bie, et toi ? 06:40 dcook assez bien aussi 06:44 reiveune tant mieux :) 06:50 dcook Alors, bogue est le mot français pour 'bug'? C'est assez facile d'rappeler. 06:50 * dcook wonders a bit why there is a LocalCoverImages preference... 06:55 rangi so you can turn them off? without having to go round deleting them all? 06:55 dcook rangi: I was thinking because the only place they show up is in the "Images" tab in the detail record 06:55 dcook It's just that the syspref text is incorrect 06:55 dcook ish 06:56 dcook Since they don't show up in search results 06:56 rangi they dont? wtf not? 06:56 dcook Well, for starters, there's no HTML for them to hook onto 06:56 dcook It would be easy enough to add though 06:57 rangi why would we half add them? 06:57 dcook That's a very good question 07:00 rangi its in the doc-head-close.inc 07:00 rangi so the js is on everypage 07:00 dcook Yep 07:01 dcook But there's no '$("div [id^=local-thumbnail]"'' in the results.tt 07:01 dcook Actually, that doesn't look quite right either 07:01 dcook That should be more of a.. 07:01 rangi hmmm 07:02 dcook Oh wait, no...that would be all right 07:02 rangi there is 07:02 rangi koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-results.tt: [% IF ( OPACLocalCoverImages ) %]<span title="[% SEARCH_RESULT.biblionumber |url %]" class="[% SEARCH_RESULT.biblionumber %]" id="local-thumbnail[% loop.count %]"></span>[% END %] 07:02 dcook Yeah, in the opac 07:02 dcook Not in the intranet though 07:02 gaetan_B hello 07:02 dcook salut gaetan_B 07:02 rangi ahh i pretty much dont care about the staff side 07:03 rangi we spend way too much time on it, and nowhere enough on the public side :) 07:03 rangi so im happy to leave it for others 07:03 dcook Fair enough. I might add it in sometime soon. 07:03 * dcook looks at the burgeoning task list 07:04 dcook Exciting about Owen doing a Boostrap Opac 07:04 dcook Bootstrap* 07:04 dcook I just wonder why it was "almost" put in for the intranet though 07:04 dcook It seems like one line of code is missing 07:05 gaetan_B hi dcook :) 07:05 rangi yeah 07:05 cjh evening #koha 07:06 kf what feature are we missing in intranet? 07:06 dcook LocalCoverImages 07:06 dcook Except in the "Images" tab 07:07 kf ah 07:11 dcook But...maybe I'll fix that soon :) 07:15 cjh awesome, 3.8.14 translation updates now in 3.8.x 07:16 cjh bgkriegel++ 07:17 kf bgkriegel++ cjh++ tcohen++ :) 07:17 kf cjh: did you pick the security fix yet? 07:18 cjh not yet, only just found time to rmaint so doing it now :) 07:18 kf cool 07:18 cjh 10590 will be in 3.8.15 :) 07:19 dcook cjh++ 07:29 dcook mtj: Still not around? 07:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #329 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: FIXED) 08:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #329: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/329/ 08:07 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Language updates for 3.8.14 08:08 christophe_c hello #koha 08:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #330 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:10 kf mtj: still around? 08:22 kf Joubu: around? 08:50 eythian hi 08:50 wahanui what's up, eythian 08:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #330: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/330/ 08:53 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: add test case for sorting LC call numbers correctly 08:53 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: introduce LC::CallNumber::LC for sorting LC call numbers 08:53 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: add Library::CallNumber::LC as a required Perl dependency 08:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6281 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Bug in LCC sort routine 08:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #331 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #331: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/331/ 09:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: test case for splitting LC call number 09:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: add invalid call number to LC splitting test cases 09:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: improve splitting of LC call numbers for labels 09:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9370 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , use Library::CallNumber::LC when splitting LC call numbers for spine labels 09:59 Joubu kf: yep 10:18 kf Joubu: hi :) i hve problems getting the qa-tools working in my new dev environment and was hopbin for some pointers 10:18 mtj dcook, kf, about now... 10:19 kf running prove first complained about missing modules 10:19 kf then i installed all fo them 10:19 kf and now it's not running at all? 10:19 kf You have to be at the root of the koha-qa-tools project at t/Perl.t and i am in the qa-test-tools directory :( 10:20 kf i am not sure the Readme is correct 10:20 kf lots is not working as it's written there 10:20 mtj kf, pastebin your error... 10:20 kf sec... different server 10:21 kf paste.koha-community.org/122 10:21 mtj and.. hi! :) 10:21 kf hi :) 10:21 kf mtj: the cpan command didn't work, but I installed the modules using apt-get and only had 1 so far that was not in debian 10:22 mtj 1 tic... 10:23 mtj just doing a little test, myself 10:25 kf also this when I try to run it from the koha repositoy 10:25 kf paste.koha-community.org/123 10:25 mtj aah, i did spot a little typo in the README 10:25 mtj cat ./perl-deps | sudo cpanm 10:25 mtj not... 10:25 Joubu kf: I run "prove t" and all is good 10:25 mtj sudo cat ./perl-deps | cpanm 10:26 kf yeah, but why use cpan? 10:26 kf and it's missing some it seems 10:26 mtj coz.. im lazy :/ 10:26 kf like libgit-repository-perl 10:27 mtj i havent got round to finding out the debian package equivs, of those packages 10:28 mtj i think, last time i looked, some packages were missing 10:28 mtj ...meaning, pulling some packages cpan was a necessity :/ 10:29 mtj but, that may not be situation now :) (i havent looked recently) 10:30 kf i missed one 10:30 kf but it shoudl tell me i guess 10:30 kf and the errors look werid 10:30 kf no idea 10:30 kf also i didn't understand that export bit 10:30 kf for the path 10:31 kf but that's probably related to the fact that I am not very good with linux still 10:31 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "qa ./prove" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/124 10:32 kf ok, i see it works for the 2 of you... but still not for me 10:32 kf :( 10:32 kf did you look at paste 123 too? 10:32 Joubu kf: all deps are up to date? 10:33 mtj kf, just set your EXPORT stuff, like you would for using a koha 10:33 Joubu the PERL5LIB env var should contains the path to the qa-tools dir 10:33 kf mtj: i don't know how to set it and as it's written down it exploded 10:34 kf i did add those lines to my .bashrc file and got errors 10:34 mtj so, export a vaild KOHA_CONF, to point to any koha conf file 10:34 kf something is not right there 10:34 kf my koha_Konf is correct 10:35 mtj kf, you were not in the correct dir, for paste 123 10:35 mtj aah, oops - i take that back :) 10:35 Joubu kf: and the perl5lib too? (/home/koha/src:/home/koha/tools/koha-qa-tools) 10:36 kf Joubu: i followed the readme which is confusing me :( 10:36 kf and it complained about wrong syntax 10:36 kf so i set it bac 10:36 kf k 10:37 mtj aah, i see… 10:37 mtj sorry, some missing info in the README :/ 10:37 kf sorry for being difficult 10:37 mtj yeah, joubu is correct 10:38 kf ok, can you tell me how to do it? 10:38 kf i have export PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha so far 10:38 mtj …this missing bit of info, is to add the ./qa dir , to PERL5LIB 10:38 mtj thats causing the error -> Can't locate QohA/Git.pm in @INC 10:39 mtj sorry about that 10:39 kf ok, so how do I do that? multiple paths? 10:39 mtj export PERL5LIB=aaa:bbb 10:40 mtj export PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha:/home/katrin/qa-tools 10:40 kf hm 10:41 kf i did that - with qa-test-tools 10:41 kf but it still explodes when i try to run prove 10:41 kf with the DATA line 1012 that i pasted earlier 10:42 kf hmm 10:43 mtj does your qa-tools dir pass a 'prove' ok? 10:43 mtj $ cd /home/katrin/qa-tools 10:43 cait_dev now i can copy and paste 10:43 mtj $ prove 10:43 cait_dev when i try prove i get paste 122 10:43 cait_dev it says i am not in the right place 10:44 cait_dev but i am 10:44 cait_dev *confused* 10:44 cait_dev only that my directory is not qa-tools but qa-test-tools 10:44 cait_dev and really sorry... I think i am just missing something obvious here 10:44 cait_dev env now gives me that: PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha:/home/katrin/qa-test-tools/ 10:45 Joubu the qa dir have to be koha-qa-tools 10:45 Joubu die "You have to be at the root of the koha-qa-tools project" unless $cwd_bak =~ /koha-qa-tools$/; 10:45 cait_dev hm when you clone that's not what you get 10:45 Joubu (yes, it's stupid, i will try to fix that later) 10:45 mtj aaah 10:45 cait_dev ok, so i can rename it and try again 10:45 cait_dev what's the right one? 10:46 mtj yeah, i change the repo name, my bad 10:46 cait_dev koha-qa-tools? 10:46 mtj yep 10:47 cait_dev intersting 10:47 cait_dev prove still fails, but differently now 10:47 cait_dev i think i also have to copy the perlcritic file in the right place to ~? 10:47 mtj cait_dev, try this for a bit more into... 10:48 mtj $ perl ./t/Perl.t 10:48 cait_dev failed 2 out of 37 10:48 cait_dev not ok 22 - Check verbosity output (0) 10:48 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "perl ./t/Perl.t" (40 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/125 10:50 cait_dev http://paste.koha-community.org/126 10:51 mtj interesting.... 10:51 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 10:52 kf Joubu: i am not totally sure - the cpanm command does not work 10:52 kf oh sorry,... scrolling broken 10:52 kf that was a really old question :) 10:53 kf mtj: should koha-qa.pl work when in the git repository of koha? you don't have to give the full path? that never worked for me without telling it where to find it 10:53 mtj kf, your repo is up-to-date ? -> https://github.com/Koha-Community/qa-test-tools 10:53 kf mtj: i cloned it this morning 10:53 mtj ok 10:53 kf since then it's driving me nuts :) 10:53 Joubu i_m_ok fail perlcritic 10:54 Joubu I think the perlcritic does not contains the equivalent modules for Morder::Perl 10:54 kf does check verbosity output need a special dependency? 10:55 Joubu s/perlcritic/.perlcriticrc 10:55 kf Joubu - that was it 10:56 kf i copied the perlcritic file 10:56 kf but it was missing the . 10:56 kf now i pass all tests 10:56 Joubu kf: cool :) 10:56 kf could someone note some of that in the README? (preferrable not me as i might get it wrong again? :) 10:56 Joubu I will provide a patch for the repo name constraint. 10:56 Joubu kf: yep I will 10:56 kf :) 10:57 Joubu launch time! 10:57 kf the copy the perlcritic file one comes up often too 10:57 kf i remembered that 10:57 kf enjoy your lunch :) 10:57 kf mtj: still awake? *nudge* :) 10:57 mtj kf, there is a perlcritic .rc file, added to the qa repo 10:57 mtj … that the tools uses 10:57 kf mtj: i know, but you have to copy it to ~ with another name :) 10:57 kf and that could go into the README as well 10:58 kf without you fail the tests 10:58 mtj ow, thats a bug 10:58 kf i think jonathan told me about that a while ago, when i had problems with modern perl giving fails 10:58 mtj hmm, its working for me, but prolly coz i have a ~/.perlcriticrc file 10:59 kf i have a question about step 6 of the readme 11:00 kf i can run the tests now successfuly 11:00 kf but i still can#t the qa script 11:00 kf for the error in 123 11:00 cait_dev :~/koha$ ../koha-qa-tools/koha-qa.pl -c 1 11:00 cait_dev tried this 11:01 mtj kf - its prolly a path issue, paste your error again? 11:02 kf http://paste.koha-community.org/123 11:02 kf hmwith the right path 11:03 kf the error is still teh same as before renaming the repo 11:03 mtj remember, you need to add the qa path to PERL5LIB 11:03 kf mtj: I think we are past that :) 11:03 kf oh right. 11:03 kf i haven#t changed it after renaming 11:03 mtj ok 11:04 kf yay 11:04 kf it works :) 11:05 kf thx a lot :) 11:05 kf guess I am good tester for the README - because I have no idea what i am doing :) 11:05 kf which is actually a bit more :( 11:06 mtj i didnt realise that the qa-tool was *not* using the rc file, in its repo 11:07 kf thx a lot mtj++ Joubu++ :) 11:07 kf have to run, bbiab 11:07 mtj kf++ Joubu++ :) 11:08 mtj Joubu we might need an /either|or/ for matching the qa repo name 11:08 mtj else, the match will break for people still using the old repo name :/ 11:13 mtj hmm, a nice tweak would be to get the qa-tool to use a koha's perlcriticrc file, 1st 11:14 mtj … before using the ~/ one 11:18 drojf hi #koha 11:48 drojf https://foaas.herokuapp.com/ 12:00 edveal morning guys. 12:11 tcohen morning #koha 12:12 tcohen @later tell rangi that sounds great rangi 12:12 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded. 12:13 mjk hello all. 12:14 mjk quick question: roughly how much computer would be needed to comfortably host an internal-use-only instance of koha with about 15k items 12:15 tcohen dual-core, 1GB RAM 12:16 eythian mjk: depends more on how much use it gets. 12:17 eythian having items just sitting there doesn't really cost anything except a little bit of storage. 12:17 mjk hmm. so an old p4 box with 512mb won't cut it 12:17 eythian it would work, but it'd be pushing it if it got busy, and would feel a bit sluggish in parts. 12:17 mjk i doubt it would ever have more than two or three users 12:18 eythian tbh I'd test it out on your old P4 and see if it works as well as you need. 12:18 eythian It'll definitely function on that, but may just not be that great. 12:18 Joubu kf, mtj: qa tools repo updated 12:18 mjk hmm. currently its running on a quad-core amd box with 16gb of ram, but that box's owner wants it back... 12:19 eythian heh, the downgrade may be felt by people. 12:20 kf Joubu++ 12:21 mtj Joubu++ awesome 12:21 mtj i need to reverse my repo syncing script 12:22 mjk i'm going to try to convince the business meeting to let us buy the box off its owner (who has said he'll let it go for the cost of materials) and use the p4 box as a self-circulation station 12:22 eythian that's a good plan. tbh, I think that the current machine may be overspecced for what it's doing. 12:22 eythian But that's not a terrible thing. 12:24 mjk if i do have to move the data, would it make more sense to export everything as a marc file and then reimport or would it make more sense to try and move the databases directly 12:25 eythian I'd move the database, otherwise you'll lose everything like circ info, settings, etc. 12:25 oleonard Hi #koha 12:25 mjk currently, we;re just in the "get the uncataloged data catloged" stage 12:25 tcohen hi oleonard 12:25 eythian still, moving the database would probably be less work too 12:25 mjk wev've got about 100 volumes out of the 10-15k in our library done 12:26 eythian just make a dump and then restore that into the new one. 12:26 eythian if you're using the packages then there's koha-dump and koha-restore 12:27 mjk ah 12:30 oleonard @wunder 45701 12:30 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 25.3°C (8:30 AM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from 2 PM this afternoon to 6 PM EDT this evening... 12:31 eythian @wunder bn1 12:31 huginn` eythian: Error: No such location could be found. 12:31 eythian @wunder bn1 1al 12:31 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 26.5°C (1:30 PM BST on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 12:31 mjk does anyone here have any experience with datalogic qw2100 barcode scanners 12:33 tcohen not much mjk, those that use leds? 12:33 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:33 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 12.0°C (9:00 AM ART on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 12:34 mtj Joubu, nice patch! 12:34 mjk i think so 12:35 mtj heya eythian, still in old blighty? 12:35 eythian mtj: am indeed 12:35 eythian it's sweltering here, which was a surprise. 12:35 mjk it can't be worse than the microvision rov we're currently using, though, and it costs less that a twedge license 12:36 mtj heh yeah, i was just thinking about the hideous weather you are missing, over here 12:37 oleonard Ah, so everyone's having miserable weather? 12:37 eythian oleonard: well, there's too much sun here, if that counts. 12:37 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 12:37 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 26.5°C (2:13 PM CEST on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 12:37 drojf :P 12:38 eythian mtj: yeah, I've seen what's been happening there. I don't feel at all bad about missing it :) 12:38 mjk @wunder boston, massachusetts 12:38 huginn` mjk: The current temperature in Boston - South End, Boston, Massachusetts is 30.5°C (8:33 AM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 7 PM EDT this evening... 12:39 oleonard Is that where you are mjk? 12:39 mjk i think i win for worst weather 12:39 mjk yep. i'm a masshole 12:40 oleonard You've got a few degrees on us here in Ohio, but we've got 35 humidity percentage points on you! 12:43 tcohen eythian: is it desirable that the webinstaller is run always in english? or is it a bug 12:43 eythian tcohen: I thought it allowed language selection if you had alternate languages installed, but I can't say I've ever tried. 12:43 drojf tcohen: if languages are installed you can choose 12:44 drojf eythian: i did. several times 12:44 drojf works fine for me 12:44 tcohen i noticed while testing bug 10560 that if english is disabled, you're still forced to use english 12:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , No way to disable english 12:44 drojf the first page is in english, before you choose the language 12:47 eythian Maybe it should say "choose your language" in all installed languages :) 12:48 mtj @wunder nzwn 12:48 huginn` mtj: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (12:00 AM NZST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 12:51 tcohen if you install and enable (for example) es-ES and disable english on a 3.12.x checkout 12:52 tcohen and then checkout current master 12:52 tcohen you wont be able to choose es-ES, forced to english 12:53 tcohen (on the webinstaller I mean= 12:53 tcohen s/=/)/ 12:53 eythian well, the disabling I could see not working 12:53 eythian You can't access the system preferences 12:53 eythian as you don't know that the schema is something that you expect at this stage. 12:54 eythian however I'd expect you to be able to choose es-ES 12:56 tcohen i see it as another case for bug 10560, but maybe i'm wrong 12:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , No way to disable english 12:57 eythian ah, that's why you're asking me :) 12:57 eythian I don't think it should be that, but that function should never be called, we shouldn't be accessing sysprefs in the webinstaller. 12:58 oleonard At least this weather is good for something: http://www.myacpl.org/blog/array-sun-2013-07-15 12:58 eythian that's cool, oleonard 12:59 tcohen yes eythian :) sorry for not explaining 12:59 tcohen ok, so its a feature 12:59 eythian well, I think it's a bug. I just don't think it's that bug :) 13:01 eythian I'm not sure it should be obeying the sysprefs though, but I think it should allow you to pick any installed language. 13:02 eythian Or I suppose it could be more conservative and specifically pick those sysprefs and be really careful about what it does if it can't make sense of them. 13:05 tcohen i'm talking about the upgrade process, right? 13:05 tcohen maybe i didn't explain it well 13:06 eythian yeah 13:06 eythian that's what I meant too 13:06 tcohen ok 13:07 eythian it's just that when you know the schema is old, you don't know that the sysprefs haven't changed how they work until after the upgrade has run. 13:23 tcohen if I manually do UPDATE systempreferences SET value="es-ES,en" WHERE variable="language"; 13:23 tcohen it shows in spanish 13:23 tcohen update syspref on mysql ; refresh browser 13:23 tcohen UPDATE systempreferences SET value="es-ES" WHERE variable="language"; 13:23 tcohen makes it show in english only 13:24 tcohen you're rigt is another bug 13:33 mtompset Greetings, #koha 13:36 oleonard Hi mtompset 13:37 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. Nice solar panel arrays. :) 13:39 * druthb chucks Skittles at mtompset, Just Because. 13:39 mtompset Thanks for the skittles "love", druthb. :P 13:39 druthb <3 13:40 * mtompset chucks them back at druthb to maintain a balance in the skittles wars. ;) 13:41 tcohen heh, hi mtompset 13:41 mtompset Greetings, druthb tcohen. 13:42 kf Joubu: around still? 13:42 kf :) 13:43 mtompset Does Srdjan Jankovic come here? If so, what's their handle? I'd like to pass some karma. :) 13:43 eythian mtompset: he's papa, but usually only during AU daytime. 13:43 mtompset Not a problem, eythian. Thanks. 13:44 mtompset eythian++ # thanks for the info. 13:44 mtompset papa++ # thanks for the bug review. 13:44 mtompset Greetings, kf, eythian. 13:45 eythian hi 13:45 wahanui que tal, eythian 13:45 kf hi mtompset 13:45 mtompset Now for some fun today: attempt to roll my own package. 14:02 drojf mtompset: they are the best. just like joints. i mean cigarettes. i mean lollipops. 14:02 mtompset yes, but I've never built a package before, so this is a bit of a learning curve. 14:04 drojf there are two wiki pages. one says it is the easy way and there is another. i think most people agree the easy way is the easy way, just eythian likes the other ;) 14:04 mtompset I was going to ask what does "git clean -f -x -d" do. 14:05 gmcharlt @quote random 14:05 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in closeformation, beating the sky into submission.")" (added by gmcharlt at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009) 14:05 eythian git clean --help will explain it better than we can 14:05 drojf ah yeah, that is the eythian way :P 14:06 eythian I'm not sure if it's the easiest way, but it's the way I use for real builds because it's got a good likelyhood of being clean :) 14:06 tcohen morning gmcharlt 14:07 drojf not doubting that at all. i think i started with the other and it worked for me so i did not bring up the energy to learn the other :) 14:07 eythian the patches section of the easy way should refer to git bz 14:07 mtompset Greetings, gmcharlt. :) 14:08 drojf now that i am referring to both ways as "the other" i think it is time to leave and work before i spread more confusion :D 14:08 kf yeah 14:08 eythian heh 14:08 kf better you spread it at work 14:09 mtompset drojf: The sentence is a difficult construct, but the intent is still parsable from the larger context. :) 14:09 eythian also, it's use of '-2' in the version number for doing an update is bad and wrong and may get really confusing if you attempt to put it into a repo, as 3.4-1, 3.4-2, etc. are expected to have the same source tarball, and they won't in this case. 14:09 mtompset You started with the "easier way", and never worked up the energy to do it eythian's "it will definitely be clean" way. :) 14:12 mtompset Just tweaked the instructions to say 3.x not 3.2 for the easy way. :) 14:12 eythian I need to update mine at some time to be more automated. 14:17 mtompset Okay, question. Is it possible to roll packages from an Ubuntu VM? 14:17 eythian yes 14:17 mtompset The instructions are debianist. 14:17 eythian you should be able to follow the instructions more or less exactly the same, assuming that pbuilder on ubuntu knows about squeeze 14:18 mtompset It doesn't. 14:18 eythian then you'll have to figure out how to tell it to. It shouldn't be too hard. 14:18 mtompset Found it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto 14:19 mtompset Has a nice "if you want to build debian..." part. 14:19 eythian cool 14:21 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10409: Follow up - improving strings for easier translation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4043df439541ec8ba28363abc74d1677479a8869> / Bug 10409 - Do not show course entry form if no departments are found <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ad188f9d67c729ff7119f5ede8e06cf3133a750> 14:23 khall just submitted a patron lists feature for anyone who's interested. I wrote it using DBIx::Class. It's amazing how much faster development is using DBIx::Class, and much more readable too! Bug 10565 14:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10565 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add a "Patron List" feature for storing and manipulating collections of patrons 14:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #1316 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:34 mtompset Funny how there are always tiny steps missing in instructions. I guess we don't want bloated instructions. 14:37 drojf maybe they are steps you would assume someone going that deep into development just knows about? 14:39 mtompset For example... when I went into the pbuilder environment to do something the command was sudo and wget... both needed to be installed. Not difficult, but just tiny steps like that. 14:39 drojf i'm not sure if something like building your own debian packages for koha is supposed to be done by copy+paste from a wiki by somebody with zero knowledge of linux, for example 14:39 eythian mtompset: you shouldn't need sudo in the pbuilder environment, you'll already be root 14:40 eythian yeah, those are definitely something that someone attempting to build packages should already be aware of. 14:40 mtompset true enough... oh well, I guess they just copied the wget command from the instructions. 14:40 mtompset I'll tweak out the sudo. 14:41 eythian it also mentions installing wget right there. 14:41 mtompset silly me... I skimmed too much. :) 14:42 eythian that's why I prefer my method of setting up the environment, it's scriptable and doesn't require messing with the innards of the environment. 14:44 mtompset I see your point, eythian. 14:45 mtompset waiting for a fresh clone. 15:05 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=81431fdc8654e95e9fea37c4de880e9cf6126b26> / Bug 7019: fix sorting by return date in Circulation History <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbd6befa5d0d52e5ff10b78deef4f839127e30db> 15:05 mtompset okay... going to try: koha package install of 3.10.x (oldstable), install a 3.12.0 (rolled), and then a 3.12.x (stable) 15:06 mtompset attempting the roll right now. 15:12 rambutan drum roll please....... 15:13 mtompset some of those messages are worrisome, but it keeps going. 15:15 drojf mtompset: so you are installing your own package to replace it with the regular one? 15:15 mtompset That's going to be the attempt. 15:16 mtompset I didn't make any changes... just going with an intermediate 3.12.0 15:16 mtompset I assume the progression with "has my patches in it" version, will be similar. 15:17 eythian it fails outright if things are wrong 15:17 eythian and you don't get a .deb file 15:18 mtompset I got all the deb files as far as I can tell. 15:18 reiveune bye 15:35 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9576: DBRev 3.13.00.013 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=057297e2bf0686e8272bff6d2b488fe928a7a2ad> / Bug 9576: can now control whether max loans limit can be overriden <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=835f745b55c47ccc7087950419b68d036b908cc2> 15:38 tcohen @seen jcamins 15:38 huginn` tcohen: jcamins was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 4 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <jcamins> Maybe that was changed for performance reasons. 15:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1316: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1316/ 15:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10409 - Do not show course entry form if no departments are found 15:47 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10409: Follow up - improving strings for easier translation 15:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10409 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Do not show course entry form if no departments are found 15:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #1317 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:55 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker. 15:55 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9362: fix query that finds upcoming due loans <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff7f37202949bb6d60cdf30de4e237e6b1de93eb> 15:56 pianohacker hey mtompset 15:56 wahanui hmmm... mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. 15:56 mtompset Nope... playing with rolling my own packages. 15:56 pianohacker cool 15:57 * eythian notes that warnings in your logs aren't silent. They're in your logs. 15:57 mtompset yes, but they aren't on the HTML page put back out. :P 15:58 eythian that'd be a terrible thing to do 15:58 mtompset Yes, it would... so they are silent in the UI sense of the word silent. :P 15:58 mtompset and they are warnings, like int(undef) :) 15:58 eythian there are too many warnings. 15:59 eythian if I had time, I'd go through and fix the situations that lead to them 15:59 mtompset me too, eythian. me too. :) 15:59 * eythian lacks that sort of time. 16:00 pianohacker eythian: start with something simple and easy, like addbiblio.pl 16:01 eythian heh 16:02 mtompset Lunch... just on the verge of missing dependencies. 16:02 eythian there shouldn't be missing dependencies. 16:16 tcohen eythian, once you got the deb files, what's the step to sign them and use dput to deplooy on a new (local) repo ? 16:16 eythian tcohen: basically, debsign *.changes, but you may need to provide a key ID 16:17 tcohen so, debsign ; dput ? 16:17 eythian debsign, dput, and reprepro export 16:17 eythian oh no wait 16:18 eythian reprepro usually happens as part of dput 16:19 tcohen what's the result? the deb & friends files on the incoming dir? 16:19 eythian that's what dput itself does. the reprepro step integrates them into the repo properly. 16:20 gmcharlt eythian: a question that I think tcohen had asked you, but I'd like to know the answer too: is it kosher to add new dependencies when making minior updates to a package? 16:21 eythian gmcharlt: I'd like to avoid it if reasonably possible (except in master, that's OK.) 16:21 gmcharlt it forces use of dist-upgrade rather than upgrade, correct? 16:21 eythian yep 16:21 gmcharlt thanks for confirming my impression 16:22 eythian rule of thumb would be if that it's actually fixing something that's annoying people, go for it. Otherwise consider it again. 16:22 tcohen yes, I first made a mistake on 3.12.x and then concluded it was for a greater cause 16:22 eythian It's not the end of the world if it happens, just an inconvenience. 16:22 eythian It might also be worth batching a couple together (although this isn't something that seems to happen a lot anyway.) 16:23 eythian keep in mind it'll also have similar upsets for people running from tarballs 16:23 eythian they'll have to install missing things manually. 16:24 * tcohen feels quite guilty 16:24 gmcharlt tcohen: sorry, I didn't mean to pick on you 16:24 eythian heh 16:25 eythian I'm inclined to think that most things that are making it into a stable release are likely to be greater cause things anyway. 16:25 gaetan_B bye 16:25 rambutan We have a problem with searching (and retrieving) a special case in Koha 16:25 rambutan There is a (musical) group called "98°", they have produced a CD called "2.0" 16:25 eythian I don't think they deserve to be found 16:25 rambutan the only way we can retrieve this item is by its alternative name 16:26 eythian http://bash.org/?514353 <-- rambutan 16:27 pianohacker ahhh, bash.org 16:27 rambutan and what would be behind door number two 16:27 rambutan ? 16:28 eythian as for finding them, I have no idea. I suppose '98' doesn't do it? 16:28 eythian you probably need to find someone who understands zebra tuning. 16:29 rambutan "98" yields 996,241 hits on "Windows 98" 16:29 eythian oh dear. 16:29 eythian perhaps those should just be weeded :) 16:29 oleonard :D 16:29 rambutan concur 16:30 oleonard Seriously. 996,241? 16:30 rambutan oh, no, sorry, it was only 149 16:30 rambutan slight exaggeration I suppose 16:31 pianohacker what's four orders of magnitude, between friends? 16:31 rambutan exactly 16:34 rambutan the TS supervisor tells me that searching on "2.0" returns 0 also, even knowing there are other titles with 2.0 in them, like Web 2.0, for example 16:35 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=2.0 16:36 pianohacker rambutan: Just to confirm, you're on 3.10? 16:42 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "dependencies not auto-installed?!" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/127 16:42 mtompset that's the output from my attempted roll. back to watching Castle. ;) 16:43 eythian mtompset: you missed the bit in the instructions about adding the koha-community repo apparently :) 16:43 eythian (or it's not there, or wrong) 16:43 eythian oh, or you forgot that dpkg != apt and doesn't fix deps for you like apt does 16:44 * jcamins_web waves from Alabama 16:44 eythian jcamins_web looks suspiciously like a kat. 16:44 eythian mtompset: try apt-get install -f to fix that 16:44 eythian or maybe apt-get -f install, I forget every time. 16:46 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10541: enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53f82b1d7d9b7f06da1032faf0800d624eb4c1d3> 16:46 vfernandes hi :) 16:46 Kat Hello? 16:46 jcamins_web Hi! 16:47 mtompset in the pbuilder environment? or the ubuntu environment I'm trying to install on? 16:47 rambutan pianohacker: yes, 3.10 16:47 jcamins_web (demonstrating two people talking at once from the same office) 16:47 druthb Hi, jcamins_web and Kat! :) 16:48 druthb Kat: is jcamins talking like a Southerner yet? 16:48 rambutan jkatmins? 16:48 Guest124 Hi druthb. 16:48 Guest124 Not quite yet, we've got a bit of a canadian about occasionally. 16:48 rambutan where are you? 16:48 druthb lol. Keep at him. Y'all can do it. 16:49 eythian mtompset: the one you're trying to install on, as that's the one missing the dependencies. 16:49 jcamins_web druthb: not likely. 16:49 jcamins_web rambutan: Dothan, AL. 16:49 rambutan ic 16:49 druthb jcamins, a drawl so long it won't fit in your suitcase would be a nice souvenier. 16:49 druthb s/ie/ei/ 16:49 rambutan ALA Mid-July I would suppose 16:50 Guest124 We'll keep working at it. Back to training. Nice to meet y'all. 16:50 druthb gmcharlt++ 16:50 druthb be well, Alabamans! Take good care of Jared. :) 16:51 druthb kf++ 16:51 oleonard @wunder 36303 16:51 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.3°C (11:50 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 16:51 oleonard @wunder 45701 16:51 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 31.7°C (12:21 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from 2 PM this afternoon to 6 PM EDT this evening... 16:51 druthb @wunder Forest Hills, NY 16:51 vfernandes yesterday I was here to ask about authorities.... I wanted a authority controll for subfield 260$b 16:51 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 36.0°C (12:45 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT Thursday... 16:52 druthb Bet he's enjoying the "cooler" weather. 16:52 druthb @wunder 77063 16:52 oleonard That's insane. 16:52 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 22.9°C (11:51 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 16:52 mtompset eythian: So, why didn't the dependencies auto-install? They are easily findable. 16:52 oleonard druthb: !! 16:52 druthb eh? 16:52 mtompset It's not my repo that's wrong on the fresh packages install. 16:52 vfernandes the authorities still have 0 records :/ 16:52 eythian mtompset: because that's not the job of dpkg. 16:53 druthb Rainy and downright cool here on the bayou today. 16:53 mtompset Okay, so the missing dependencies are to be expected, because of the dpkg -i vs. apt-get install 16:53 eythian yes 16:55 rambutan @wunder 64507 16:55 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 31.0°C (11:50 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 16:55 rambutan @wunder dothan, alabama 16:55 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.3°C (11:55 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 16:56 jcamins_web @later tell wizzyrea Any chance you could add a link to the wiki page Version control in git on http://koha-community.org/get-involved/for-developers/ and change the web IRC link to kiwiirc.com, since that works consistently even behind firewalls? 16:56 huginn` jcamins_web: The operation succeeded. 16:57 druthb There's a very weak low-pressure center off the coast of eastern Mexico; the hurricane watchers are keeping their eye on it, but two of the computer models stubbornly refuse to even give it a *potential* to be a TS. But it is pushing wet air at us, in large quantities. 17:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1317: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1317/ 17:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7019: fix sorting by return date in Circulation History 17:00 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page 17:00 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9576: can now control whether max loans limit can be overriden 17:00 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9576: DBRev 3.13.00.013 17:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Circulation History Sort Order Wrong 17:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10563 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Link to edit subscription from 'check expiraton' page is broken 17:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Enable or disable issue limit confirmation 17:00 mtompset Well, it would seem that the package rolled upgrade worked. 17:01 mtompset (after the installation of the missing dependencies) 17:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #1318 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:11 vfernandes can anyone help me? I want to have 260$b controlled by authorities 17:12 vfernandes i've already created a new authority type and the fields in bibliographic models are blocked to the authority 17:13 kf you'd have to configure that in your frameworks 17:13 vfernandes kf i've already done that 17:13 kf hm then not sure what is missing 17:13 vfernandes which is the best authority field to put publishers? 17:14 vfernandes i're already added to biblio/record.abs : melm 260$9 Koha-Auth-Number 17:15 vfernandes i've created a 170 field for authorities frameworks with a subfield b... this is the field that will be copied to records 17:16 kf i think maybe another way to do it woudl be using a plugin 17:16 kf i think ther emight be one for unimarc that could do the trick for marc21 without using authorities 17:16 kf but giving you suggestions/controlling it a bit 17:17 tcohen GOT MY OWN REPOOOOO 17:17 tcohen eythian++ eythian++ # thanks, really 17:17 kf lol 17:17 kf where? where? 17:17 vfernandes http://biblioteca.lnec.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authorities-home.pl - try to search EDITORES 17:17 tcohen didn't make it public 17:17 tcohen http://ubuntu.unc.edu.ar/koha 17:18 tcohen built on precise, our own 3.12 flavour :-D 17:18 vfernandes the search "in keywords" works, but for "in any heading" or "in main entry" doens't work 17:19 kf probably you will have to index your new field. 17:20 vfernandes on my authorities/record.abs I added the following: melm 170$b Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s,Heading-Main:w,Heading-Main:p,Heading-Main:s,Match:w,Match:p,Match-heading:w,Match-heading:p melm 170 Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s,Match:w,Match:p,Match-heading:w,Match-heading:p 17:20 vfernandes two entries to index the field... but no lucky :/ 17:22 vfernandes I don't know what is wrong 17:23 vfernandes shouldn't the authorities be searchable by mainentry which this entries on record.abs? 17:23 tcohen translators of the world, translate 17:26 vfernandes kf any idea? 17:27 vfernandes another problem: besides being used in the record, the authority has 0 records associated 17:30 mtompset exit 17:30 mtompset Oops... 17:30 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 17:31 kf tcohen: cngrats :) 17:31 tcohen :-D 17:32 kf vfernandes: did you reindex after adding it? did you change the right file? if you have a dev install there will be 2 of them, the one in koha-dev is the right one 17:32 kf and that's all ideas i have - leaving :) 17:32 kf bye all! 17:32 vfernandes bye kf 17:36 drojf raspberries! raspberries for everyone! 17:38 pianohacker ooh raspberries 17:39 pianohacker vfernandes: To follow up on kf's question, did you change the record.abs in your tarball, or the installed one? 17:39 pianohacker (assuming you installed from tarball) 17:40 vfernandes installed 17:40 vfernandes KOHA_HOME/etc/zebradb/.../record.abs 17:42 drojf git question: can i reset a single file to master in a customized branch? 17:43 tcohen gmcharlt: do u remember where did we (bgkriegel and I) uploaded our gpg keys? 17:44 drojf ha it's actually called git reset. who would have expected that? 17:44 gmcharlt tcohen: pgp.mit.edu? 17:44 drojf hm no that seems to keep the changes 17:45 pianohacker drojf: Try git checkout HEAD -- <path> 17:45 drojf cool thanks 17:46 vfernandes i have to go 17:46 vfernandes bye guys 17:47 drojf looks like i have some serious rebasing to do before i try that. meh 17:48 tcohen gmcharlt: i cannot seem to retreive it 17:49 gmcharlt do you still have your local copy of the key? 17:49 tcohen yes 17:50 gmcharlt that's all you need to sign a branch 17:50 tcohen yes, I'm just trying to test my own deb repo 17:50 tcohen which I signed with my private gpg key 17:58 tcohen deb http://ubuntu.unc.edu.ar/koha precise main 17:58 tcohen i'm really happy today 18:07 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10515: (follow-up) fix use of GetBranchCategories <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=968f337728d1e13040389381fef01adc39e8be5c> / Bug 10515: add regression tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5aeefa25ac94495afd9a1c7fa5aae3f05a1d1907> / Bug 10515: make behavior of library category fetchers consistent with other fetchers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb 18:11 oleonard khall: Any idea why diacritics in a patron category description would not be showing up correctly on a patron list? 18:13 pianohacker oleonard: He seems to be out at the moment, but does a SHOW CREATE TABLE have the correct charset on the relevant tables, out of curiosity? 18:15 oleonard CHARSET=utf8 18:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1318: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1318/ 18:17 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9362: fix query that finds upcoming due loans 18:17 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10541: enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js 18:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9362 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Wrong query in GetUpcomingDueIssues (Circulation.pm) 18:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10541 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js 18:17 tcohen gmcharlt: thanks for the info, i just noticed i was writing http:// instead of hkp:// 18:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1319 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:25 khall oleonard: you had a question for me? 18:25 oleonard Yes. Any idea why diacritics in a patron category description would not be showing up correctly on a patron list? 18:25 tcohen 10bye #koha 18:25 tcohen the f*k is that 18:25 tcohen ok, bye! 18:27 khall oleonard: not really. Do we need to tell dbix class to use ut8 maybe? Or could it be a TT issue. 18:27 oleonard I don't know why it would be a TT issue if the data shows up correctly elsewhere. 18:29 khall it's proabably dbix class 18:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:32 khall oleonard: where are you seeing the issue? I name a list Théologie and it looks ok 18:33 oleonard It's a diacritic in a patron category description 18:33 rambutan @seen wizzyrea 18:33 huginn` rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 44 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> if there are any 18:33 * mtompset grins evilly. 18:33 mtompset Have you tried using Internet Explorer, oleonard? ;) 18:34 druthb oooh. mtompset, that's just mena, 18:34 druthb s/mena/mean/ 18:35 * druthb has the dumb today, and cannot type well. 18:35 pianohacker Hey now, we frown upon goddamn filthy language like that in this channel 18:35 mtompset No, mean is following that statement up with one that you clearly set yourself up for. :P 18:35 mtompset I said it was evil. 18:35 * druthb wields pointy stick. 18:36 mtompset Hey, I didn't say anything. I blame the heat. Just cleared a portion of my garage out, so I may actually be able to clean another room in the house. 18:36 druthb one of the things I'm grateful for in my new job…the super-nice Shure headphones they bought me. I can crank my 80's hair band music up *really loud* and not annoy my neighbors. 18:36 mtompset i.e. relocate the mess. 18:37 * druthb cranks Van Halen up a couple more notches. 18:37 khall oleonard: it's odd, the diacritics looks fine in my list name both as a header and in the lists table, but they aren't showing right in the list patrons table 18:37 mtompset Plus, we all know that IE wouldn't really solve the problem anyways. 18:38 mtompset me throws skittles at druthb. :) 18:38 mtompset Oops. There's my typographical error making. :) 18:39 * druthb laughs derisively. 18:39 khall paulp can usually figure these things out, maybe we should enlist his help. 19:10 pug Hi Guys 19:11 pug I am putting together a demo of Koha - and need sample data - such that the cover images show up - which requires the ISBN to be there -- and requires that the book is kind of popular enough for Amazon/Google to have the image 19:12 pug On quite some searching I havent been able to find such a sample book database (marc, xls etc.) .. Any pointers? 19:13 pianohacker pug: Have you tried wizzyrea's? https://github.com/wizzyrea/Scripts-and-Things/blob/master/MARC21.mrc 19:15 pug cool - no i hadnt - cool - ill quickly import and see! 19:15 pug pioanohacker: are you the person who wrote the script to roll deb packages? 19:18 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10549: (follow-up) make sure ILS-DI GetAvailability response is emitted as UTF-8 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=da6f2f7a7ddf1126d6e3b02825f0d45948f484fa> / bug 10549: make the ILS-DI services advertise that they return UTF-8 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a1d0fc6d2d2674d4182ed1c6be557b568778834> 19:19 pianohacker pianohacker: Ah, no. Not sure who that was, though I think it was Robin Sheat 19:19 pianohacker heh 19:19 pianohacker pug: Ah, no. Not sure who that was, though I think it was Robin Sheat 19:20 gmcharlt AKA eythian 19:21 drojf why do subscription email alerts use the same address as from and to? (Letters.pm) 19:21 * cait waves 19:22 cait drojf: they do? 19:22 cait i think i have found them broken in master 19:22 cait you might be onto something 19:22 drojf my %mail = ( 19:22 drojf To => $email, 19:22 drojf From => $email, 19:22 drojf … 19:22 cait didn't work in my latest test 19:22 cait can you check when that changed? 19:22 cait they are working fine in 3.6 19:22 drojf mom 19:23 cait and it would explain why it worked on my dev install... 19:23 cait there it IS the same address hm. 19:23 drojf a9ded4fa (Srdjan Jankovic 2012-03-09 13:22:17 +1300 306) 19:24 cait hm 19:24 drojf unfortunately i lack the skill to find out what patch that was 19:24 cait show <commit> 19:24 cait git show... :) 19:25 drojf oh that was easy. cool 19:25 drojf bug_7001: Issue and Reserve slips are notices. 19:25 pianohacker gmcharlt: Heh, thanks, I had thought that was two separate people :) 19:25 cait pianohacker: it's not really eayy to guess 19:25 cait like people often confuse me with this kf person 19:25 pianohacker oh god I know right 19:26 cait and she is soo weird 19:26 pianohacker yeah, I know what you mean 19:26 pianohacker There's this jesse chap that got pianohacker@gmail.com 19:26 pianohacker and he voluntarily works on the admin interface! 19:26 pianohacker So shameful... 19:26 drojf hm. it was kind of the same before. $borinfo->{email} for both 19:26 cait oh wow yeah 19:26 gmcharlt cait: and it's *really* awkward when you starting arguing with kf 19:27 cait yeah, she always wants to have the last word when we argue 19:27 cait glad she is almost never around the same time as me :) 19:27 cait drojf: hm 3.6 predates the new notices... 19:28 cait which means... nobody except us uses the serial subscription mails? or it's really the to and the reply to adress meant there? 19:28 cait i have no idea 19:28 drojf no it's to and from, there is no other 19:28 cait hm we should fix that then maybe? 19:28 drojf i guess that has been wrong from the beginning 19:29 drojf i don't care about that, i just want to encrypt them :P 19:29 cait tsk 19:29 cait i taught you about git show! you owe me a fix! :P 19:29 drojf i gave you a fix yesterday :P 19:30 mtompset Crypt::Rijndael. :) 19:31 pug pianohacker++ Thanks a ton. Thats a nice marc21 database indeed. 19:31 rambutan For some period of time in the beginning of time I thought pianohacker = Paul Ianohacker 19:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1319: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1319/ 19:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10515: make behavior of library category fetchers consistent with other fetchers 19:31 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10515: add regression tests 19:31 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10515: (follow-up) fix use of GetBranchCategories 19:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10515 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The prototype for GetBranchCategory and GetBranchCategories is not consistent 19:31 drojf marc21. nice. hehe 19:31 gmcharlt cait: note that a9ded4fa didn't introduce having the to and from be the same -- Srdjan just implemented existing functionality in a different way 19:31 drojf yes 19:31 pianohacker rambutan: Hah! That's a good one 19:31 drojf it has been weird before 19:31 pianohacker pug: Glad to hear. It have some good cover-image-showing bibs? 19:31 drojf can we go further back with git blame? 19:32 pianohacker drojf: Try git log -p 19:32 pianohacker I honestly much prefer it to git-blame 19:32 gmcharlt cait: but more generally, I don't see any reason why the from address shouldn't be the library, not the patrnon 19:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #1320 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:32 cait gmcharlt: was asking drojf for the git blame to investaigate a bit more :) 19:32 pug pianohacker - yeah it indeed does! -- like 80% seem to have cover images showing up! 19:32 cait gmcharlt: i think we were wondering about the 2 address 19:33 pianohacker pug: very nice 19:33 cait to address... oh my long day 19:33 cait and it might be totally unrelated... you are right 19:33 cait I was wondering why it didn't work on our 3.12 installation at work, it worked here, so I have it on my list to ask the coworker to check the logs for me... maybe seeing what#s going wrong there 19:33 pug pianohacker - that was quick too. Sorry for the greed - THis was a 500 records- any more pointers? :) 19:34 cait gmcharlt: i think some mail servers might not like if you pretend to send the mail with their address as from? 19:35 cait we have that case here, where a server refuses mails if we try to send them from the library's mail address 19:35 pianohacker pug: You could try exporting some records from the various demo catalogs on koha-community.org 19:35 cait but maybe i am misunderstanding :( it's totally possible 19:35 pianohacker but please do so with a limit, otherwise the sysadmins get grumpy 19:36 gmcharlt pug: if you want LOTS of MARC records, archive.org has several collections 19:36 pug ok - done - ill be civic - thanks! 19:36 pug oh they do? provided as marc or spreadsheet files? 19:36 cait we have lots of german ones available too - but those might be a bit too big :) 19:37 gmcharlt pug: as MARC and/or MARCXML 19:37 drojf cait: if it checks if the addess is allowed/known/whatever it will probably have a hard time if it is the to-address ;) 19:37 cait https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:openaccess:start 19:37 cait drojf: i am all confused between from and to now. 19:37 drojf the from should be yours and the to the patron 19:38 pug cait - nope - cant take german! 19:39 cait drojf: didn't you say from and to where the same aka the patron's? 19:39 drojf cait: it is From => $branchdetails->{'branchemail'} || C4::Context->preference("KohaAdminEmailAddress"), in another sub 19:39 cait and i should not try and be active in discussions so soon after getting home 19:39 drojf drojf: yes, they are in that one case 19:39 drojf that is the error ;) 19:39 gmcharlt drojf: you're talking to yourself ;) 19:39 drojf oh 19:39 pug gmcharlt -- thanks -- archive.org indeed has a large collection ! -- I think ill add my findings to the koha-wiki --- the entries there arent as impressive 19:39 drojf lol 19:39 cait gmcharlt: be nice, he is working so hard 19:39 drojf cait ^^ 19:40 cait to fix my bugs :) 19:40 gmcharlt drojf++ 19:40 pug gmcharlt++ 19:40 drojf cait co-confused me 19:40 cait i am good at that :) 19:40 cait guess when i log in... wahanui should call out a warning to everyone 19:41 pug bye guys - thanks again! 19:41 mtompset "Hear ye! Hear ye! Cait the Confuser has arrived." 19:41 * mtompset grins. 19:42 gmcharlt cait: that'a actually possible, btw, with huggin's Herald module 19:42 cait ohoh 19:43 drojf i don't think we should have 3 or 4 different subs to send emails… 19:43 cait gmcharlt: reading back i see that i misread your comment *sigh* 19:43 cait I forgot to drink water today... will blame anything on that 19:43 cait or some other excuses 19:43 cait excuse? 19:43 wahanui cait: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down. 19:43 cait hm, that used to wrok better 19:43 drojf you can still drink water now ;) 19:44 cait working on it :) 19:44 pianohacker cait: Quick question: Now that I have a follow-up on bug 10320, should I mark it as "needs signoff" again? 19:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search 19:44 cait pianohacker: are you trying to make use of my confusedness? :) 19:45 pianohacker not intentionally. That was an honest question :) 19:45 cait pianohacker: hm the follow up needs some work actually 19:45 cait because i think there is a test that will start screaming if you don't use " instead of ' 19:45 cait at least this was discussed 19:45 cait and I'd remove the extra spaces 19:45 pianohacker Haha, kk. Will do. After I fix that, what should I do? 19:45 cait _( 'Availability' ) = _("Availability") 19:46 cait pianohacker: i am a bit torn :) - problem is that we probably can't really test without overdrive? 19:46 mtompset But single quotes is perl-critic friendlier. :) 19:47 cait mtompset: yeah, but not in javascript trnaslation strings 19:47 cait because of translations 19:47 cait :) 19:47 cait if a french library translates and does use ' somewhere... it will break the javascript 19:47 pianohacker cait: Yes, that's why we tested with a client for signoff 19:48 cait yeah, not sure how to qa it :) 19:48 cait probably can only do a regression tst 19:49 cait pianohacker: outof curiosity - you don't have screenshots somewhere how it looks like? 19:49 cait might be nice for the release notes later too 19:49 pianohacker ahh, I don't, but nengard does 19:50 oleonard Oh yeah I've been meaning to test that too. We've got OverDrive. 19:50 pianohacker oleonard: Excellent! 19:50 gmcharlt IMO, it would be appropriate for whoever is QAing it to temporarily borrow an API key 19:50 drojf if they want to be integrated in the phantastic koha ils they should provide some free accounts :P 19:52 pianohacker [off] gmcharlt: I can try, but OverDrive is _very_ paranoid about their API keys, for whatever reason 19:53 cait gmcharlt: maybe if oleonard did another test? we could gather some more sign offs 19:53 cait lots of it seems to be css, js and templates 19:54 gmcharlt either they cough up, or they won't get API support added to Koha for lack of independent testing; note that I'm *not* suggesting that keys be shared publicly 19:54 cait and a new module, but i guess that's unlikely to break something else :) 19:54 cait :) 19:54 cait gmcharlt++ :) 19:54 oleonard I'm sure OverDrive couldn't care less. 19:55 pianohacker They're an ebook provider, not caring is their business model 19:55 gmcharlt but certainly, if oleonard's library has OverDrive (and support for that API, if it's a separate thing), his QAing is good enough for me 19:55 pianohacker gmcharlt: But yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly from a project standpoint, if not a business one 19:59 pianohacker oleonard: Many thanks. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help 20:00 drojf can somebody tell me if gpg on ubuntu is a) installed by default and b) resides at /usr/bin/gpg ? 20:00 drojf maybe tcohen knows? 20:00 tcohen gnupg 20:01 drojf tcohen: the binary is called gnupg on ubuntu? 20:01 tcohen no, its package's name 20:01 mtompset What tcohen said. :) 20:01 tcohen both questions seem correct 20:02 drojf thanks1 20:02 mtompset drojf: Is this for one of your patches? 20:02 drojf ! 20:03 drojf mtompset: yes. i was wondering if it will work out of the box. i'd like to have email encryption without the library doing anything to enable it if possible 20:03 drojf so you don't have to ask and it just works 20:03 mtompset Ah. 20:04 tcohen are you adding a configuration tab for email settings? 20:06 drojf it was in admin.pref in the first draft. or do you mean for the opac side? there needs to be a place for patrons to put their public key 20:07 drojf since it is probably only the path to gpg a whole new tab in the staff client is a little much 20:10 tcohen heh, I miss an SMTP section for setting everything emailrelated 20:12 drojf it would be nice if koha would magically make emails work 20:16 drojf http://foaas.herokuapp.com/you/Letters.pm/drojf 20:16 drojf foaas and i will have a great future together 20:17 gmcharlt drojf: we are SO not turning Koha into an MTA! ;) 20:17 drojf gmcharlt: awwww :P 20:18 oleonard Later #koha 20:18 * cait formally aplogoizes for all people confused by her today... and this week 20:18 cait hm to all... 20:19 cait can't even get the apologies right :) 20:19 drojf :P 20:20 drojf cait++ 20:20 cait hmpf :) 20:22 druthb cait++ 20:22 cait druthb! 20:23 drojf druthb! 20:23 druthb druthb! 20:24 druthb :P 20:24 * druthb is confused by cait's confused apology. 20:24 cait druthb: then it worked again i guess 20:27 cait pondering the fact the channel is logged i am going to only confuse people in pm now I think 20:27 cait :) 20:27 druthb no, what confused me, is that you think an apology is needed. 20:28 cait druthb: you haven#t spend enough time here today :) 20:28 cait mtj++ Joubu++ 20:32 druthb cait: caitsnack cookie! 20:34 cait thx :) 20:34 tcohen argentinian cookies with mate for cait 20:34 cait heh 20:34 cait that sounds dangerous! 20:35 tcohen not at all 20:36 drojf oooh i want mate cookies! 20:37 tcohen no no, argentinian cookies would have dulce de leche, and mate is a beverage 20:40 * druthb packs up her gear, and heads for home. 20:40 drojf mate is a beverage here too ;) there is a soft drin with yerba mate extract 20:40 drojf drink 20:42 tcohen r u kidding? where do i have do travel to give it a try? 20:42 drojf it's pretty big in germany nowadays. there are more and more brands actually 20:43 cait tcohen: an you are very welcome to come and visit :) 20:43 drojf well, big among nerds and hackers… :D but it's getting mainstream 20:43 drojf and it was sold out at the supermarket today :( no idea how i am supposed to wake up tomorrow 20:44 tcohen heh 20:44 drojf they sell it in supermarkets. like, looots of cases. it's ridiculous. a few years ago you had to hunt single bottles in a few small shops across town 20:45 drojf haha. it has an english wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_mate 20:45 pianohacker drojf: Do they have malta, by any chance? If we're going for crazy soda, that one's the one I know 20:46 drojf never heard of it i think 20:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1320: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1320/ 20:46 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: bug 10549: make the ILS-DI services advertise that they return UTF-8 20:46 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10549: (follow-up) make sure ILS-DI GetAvailability response is emitted as UTF-8 20:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10549 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , ILS-DI should not use ISO-8851-9 encoding 20:46 pianohacker tcohen: Is malta a thing at all in argentina? 20:46 pianohacker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_(soft_drink) 20:47 tcohen Malta == Malt 20:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #1321 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:48 tcohen never heard of a soda consisting of Mal pianohacker 20:48 drojf ah, malt beer. we have that too 20:48 mtompset In Canada there have been caffeine deaths. Now I can't find the Rage Inferno at the Dollar store anymore. 20:48 pianohacker non-alcoholic, but pretty good 20:48 mtompset 375mg of caffeine! 20:48 pianohacker _lords_ 20:48 drojf omg 20:49 pianohacker Really only two cups of coffee, but that's still nuts 20:49 drojf i think you can easily die from 5g or something 20:49 mtompset That's the problem. These teens were chugging them back. 20:49 pianohacker I've heard as low as 2g, but we college students can probably push that limit up a bit :P 20:49 drojf lol 20:50 mtompset Ah... it even had a nice warning on it to NOT chug it. 20:50 pianohacker .... 20:50 drojf great, give those little idiots ideas 20:50 pianohacker that's like telling someone to never push the big red button 20:50 drojf exactly 20:50 pianohacker "oh, hey, I didn't see that big red button before, thanks!" 20:52 drojf oh 20:52 drojf i think i got a problem. we have that OverdueNoticeBcc option 20:53 drojf if i send an encrypted email to my patron and tell them "great, this email is so secure!" and then send a copy unencrypted back to the library… that does not make sense 20:54 cait you could put in a note that the library received an unencrypted copy ;) 20:54 cait yeah i know.. not helpful 20:54 mtompset http://youtu.be/tkm9sjFtUr0 (Rage Inferno review) 20:54 * cait goes back to nibbling mate cookies 20:55 drojf if i send an encrypted copy to the library they will be very confused… especially when they do not know about the encryption stuff that is supposed to work without them doing anything 20:55 drojf i'd say patron's wish>library bcc. but the library might disagree 20:56 drojf lol mtompset. that… container looks very attractive 20:59 drojf hmm. what is the bcc email really for? to prove that an overdue email was sent, right? or is it really about what is in there? or something else that i am missing? 21:01 mtompset http://www.energyfiend.com/the-caffeine-database 21:01 mtompset sort on caffeine. ;) 21:01 cait i think it's to prove, but you could achieve the same goal with reports i think 21:01 cait it's just something people feel more comfortable with 21:01 cait but from a privacy point of view... probably not so nice? 21:02 drojf but the encrypted mail would prove it… or not? 21:02 cait maybe ifit#s an encrypted mail... you could just send a note that an encrypted mail for borrowernumber x was sent out? 21:02 cait not sure. 21:03 cait right, back to the mate cookies for me :) 21:03 cait tcohen: how many of those cookies will it need? 21:03 tcohen hm what? 21:06 drojf 16000mg of caffeine?? 21:06 cait tcohen: to make me less confused :) 21:07 drojf hahaha death wish coffee 21:09 tcohen 1mg less than fatal 21:09 drojf cait: i think i will go with your option of sending a message that the patron opted in for encryotion and a message was sent accordingly 21:09 drojf that seems like the less confusing thing to do 21:09 drojf see, you can unconfuse too ;) 21:10 cait drojf: i was just about to tell you to not listen to me :) 21:10 drojf too late 21:10 cait oh what have i done... 21:11 drojf git blame cait -> "cait told me to do it" in every line 21:15 cait hm 21:16 drojf excellent name btw. overduenoticebcc. given that it is used for all messages 21:17 cait it grew into that task 21:17 drojf …not just overdues :O 21:17 drojf lol 21:17 cait but you are right about that 21:17 cait you should file a bug 21:17 cait it's one of the prefs that should be renamed for the right reason 21:18 drojf when filing a but is more work than doing a patch… :/ maybe tomorrow 21:18 pianohacker drojf: Or polish up the .pref for it a bit :) 21:18 pianohacker That's about 30% of the reason for it, is confusingly-named sysprefs 21:20 drojf i wonder how long it will take until the first library will ask how to prevent patrons from getting encrypted emails so they have a nice bcc 21:21 drojf bonus points if they got the NSA in bcc :D 21:21 cait ouch 21:22 wizzyrea heh. 21:23 cait wizzyrea: no holds questions to night - but i might still be confusing :) 21:23 wizzyrea heh 21:23 cait how is wellington today? 21:23 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 21:23 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 21:23 wizzyrea ncie 21:23 wizzyrea nice. 21:24 tcohen hi wizzyrea 21:25 wizzyrea hi 21:31 pianohacker wizzyrea: Assuming that the patch for bug 8133 addressed your concerns, should I mark it as "Needs signoff", or what's the procedure 21:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed 21:31 pianohacker ? 21:31 wizzyrea ah yep 21:31 wizzyrea needs signoff 21:31 wahanui i guess needs signoff is trending the wrong way, we 21:31 wizzyrea forget needs signoff 21:31 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot needs signoff 21:32 wizzyrea though I think I tried to get that and I couldn't get it to apply 21:32 wizzyrea let me try again 21:33 wizzyrea Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge. 21:34 wizzyrea let me try again 21:42 wizzyrea ok sorry that was me 21:42 wizzyrea let me check it 21:44 * cait hands wizzyrea some of tcohen's mate cookies 21:45 wizzyrea thanks 21:45 wizzyrea if I could get above 70% of things done that don't have ridiculous mistakes, it would be a good day. 21:46 cait wizzyrea: i am sure you will and can totally understand that wish 21:52 rambutan wizzyrea: I see Dan Alexander is presenting at LITA this year on 3D digital creation. Know him? 21:52 wizzyrea yep 21:52 wizzyrea should be a good show. 21:53 rambutan LITA is right after KohaCon, don't know if I can go to LITA or not 22:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1321: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1321/ 22:00 wizzyrea pianohacker, can you tell me if this test is sane - if I check out a book with a 1 hour circ limit, and a calendar event that says the library closes at 10:30 (it's 10am now) 22:00 wizzyrea even with a 1 hour circ, the book should still be due at 10:30 22:00 wizzyrea this is what the bug is about, right? 22:00 pianohacker Ahhhh, if daysMode is set to Calendar, yes. 22:00 pianohacker *useDaysMode 22:01 wizzyrea good, that's what I hoped ;) 22:01 wizzyrea because that works just fine. :) 22:06 pianohacker Cool 22:07 pianohacker The other part of it is setting UseDaysMode to Datedue, which streches the loan period over open days 22:07 pianohacker so if you have the open time for the day after set to 11:30, and you check it out now, it would be do at about 12:10 tomorrow 22:07 pianohacker s/do/due 22:18 wizzyrea oo 22:18 wizzyrea i will check that too 22:22 cait hm 22:22 jcamins @wunder 11375 22:22 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 30.1°C (6:16 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT Friday... 22:22 jcamins @wunder dothan, al 22:22 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.1°C (5:21 PM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 22:22 jcamins If only it were going to stay cooler in NYC. 22:44 tcohen night #koha 22:56 mtompset Greetings, papa. 22:57 mtompset Thanks for the feedback on the bug. 22:57 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 22:57 papa no worries :0 22:57 dcook hey mtompset 22:57 wahanui mtompset is, like, disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs 22:57 dcook morning #koha 22:57 mtompset I put up a revised patch. 22:58 mtompset I think it is much cleaner as a result. :) 23:57 papa p[ing mtompset 23:58 papa ping that is 23:58 mtompset ping. 23:59 papa hey, you did not put an if $biblionumber) {} around GetItemsInfo 23:59 mtompset No, but your complaint was that a dbh call was made. And since the responsibility for the dbh call is in that function, I didn't do t.