Time Nick Message 23:56 mtompset how many biblio records should I have? 23:56 mtompset now I have multiple branches with that book. 23:55 mtompset it's called something '%happy life%' 23:55 mtompset let's say I have a book. 23:55 mtompset Just missed greeting dcook, it would seem. 23:55 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 23:45 tcohen hi dcook 23:36 dcook morning #koha 23:26 pianohacker Good night, #koha 22:40 mtompset was correct. 22:40 mtompset I was wondering if my assessment that sudo apt-get koha-deps koha-perldeps makes several files in the install_misc directory obsolete. 22:39 * mtompset tries to wake up. :) 22:16 cait good night all 22:15 cait and with that... i am going to sleep 22:15 cait cool 22:15 rangi go for it 22:14 cait rangi: ok if i copy your suggestion for the text from here on the bug? 21:57 * cait feels like she is being difficult tonight 21:56 gmcharlt (well, actually I said "couple of FA") :) 21:56 gmcharlt which is why I said "copy of FA" 21:56 rangi just ship one that just isnt default :) 21:56 rangi id keep them different 21:56 cait more flexibility for 123 :) 21:56 rangi yep 21:56 cait only argueing that there are reasons to keep them different 21:56 rangi you can never underestimate what a library will do 21:55 rangi it might make sense in acq too 21:53 cait also setting on order to -1 by default etc. 21:53 cait more control using a separate framework, ACQ needs are different 21:52 cait you need barcode in FA but you don't want it in ACQ - doesn't make sense there 21:52 cait hm i think it needs to be separate 21:51 wizzyrea later 21:51 wizzyrea anyway, off to training. ;) 21:51 wizzyrea if so it would make some sense to use the FA for the items framework. 21:51 cait hm looking at my database you might be right wizzyrea 21:49 cait it might use default when saving... we'd have to check some orders 21:49 cait i am not totally sure 21:49 wizzyrea doesn't acquisitions only use the items framework? I honestly don't know 21:48 cait not sure maybe i misunderstood FA 21:48 cait hm 21:48 cait you won't need that data necessarily for ordering, but you might want to use it for the catalog 21:48 cait if you create orders from z39.50 21:47 cait we are going to lose data 21:47 cait if you use a fast add 21:47 cait i think it's used to store the bilbiographic data 21:45 wizzyrea I like where your head's at 21:43 gmcharlt hmm, I wonder if there's any reason not to have the default ACQ framework just be a couple of FA 21:40 cait hopeing marcelr can fix that maybe 21:40 cait it's a bit horrible in the current state of things 21:40 cait maybe because we don't want to maintain another bibliographic framework? 21:40 cait no special reason i think 21:39 wizzyrea out of curiosity, why don't we ship an acq framework? 21:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , No way to disable english 21:36 cait bug 10560 passed qa 21:35 cait only 5-6 fields, less scrolling 21:35 cait yeah, we are normally using a really short form there 21:29 rangi because its 2 scrolls from the top of the form to the add buttong 21:29 rangi (Fill in the following form and click add, to add 1 item to your order, do this as many times as needed) 21:28 rangi right below Item 21:28 rangi id like some text 21:28 rangi but its better than it was 21:28 rangi i think its still too small 21:28 cait but owen has promised a follow-up 21:28 wizzyrea well you can put this one away for now then 21:28 wizzyrea ah indeed. 21:28 cait it's been a hell of a week 21:27 cait was too tired last night i guess 21:27 cait i think i gave you wrong advice on this one :( 21:27 wizzyrea ...I think? 21:27 wizzyrea ...I did fix the add item link? 21:26 cait and we still need to fix translatability :) 21:26 cait it's just display 21:26 cait nope of course not 21:25 wizzyrea does the patch do harm? 21:25 cait it's only not when you create items on order 21:25 cait it is setting for creating items on receive and in cataloguing 21:25 cait i have no idea so far how to do it in a better way - we could create a defualt item, butthen you would have to update/edit it if you order for another branch 21:25 rangi im not sure this patch is any better than now 21:24 cait the problem is telling the system how the acq item has to look like 21:24 cait rangi: it is editable, when you don#t create items 21:24 wizzyrea it's still editable, i think, if the settings are rignt 21:24 rangi so it confuses old users upgrading too 21:24 rangi thats what is worse 21:24 rangi it used to be editable 21:24 wizzyrea lol. 21:24 pianohacker you're on your own 21:24 cait figuring it out from 2 sides 21:24 pianohacker oh god acquisitions nvm 21:24 cait maybe we need to make ti more clear that quantity can't be edited too 21:24 pianohacker what's the exact thing under discussion? sorry to butt in 21:24 rangi acquisitions sux 21:24 rangi for some definition of works 21:23 cait it's just not on top of my problme list because at least it works when you know how 21:23 rangi yep 21:23 wizzyrea "why can't I edit the quantity?" 21:23 cait yep i agree 21:23 rangi that means we did it wrong 21:23 rangi every single person cant figure it out 21:23 wizzyrea ^^ 21:23 rangi they shouldnt have too 21:23 cait although i think you probabl yget used to it after doing it for a while 21:23 rangi that it needs training 21:23 rangi its an issue 21:22 cait it's an issue in training 21:22 cait yeah 21:21 wizzyrea or at least, a nontrivial number of users I've been in contact with miss it 21:20 wizzyrea which is the text is small and no one sees it 21:20 wizzyrea I just hope it solves the problem 21:20 wizzyrea don't think I have a choice, do I. ;) 21:20 cait hope you are ok with the owen's suggestion? 21:19 wizzyrea kf - easy one, 10514 is ready :) 21:12 * cait blocks it 21:12 cait pf 21:12 * jcamins sends it anyway. 21:10 cait jcamins: i think 18 is nice for the night, you can keep it :) 21:03 wizzyrea :) 21:02 jcamins wizzyrea: you can share them with rangi. 21:02 wizzyrea that's chilly 21:00 * jcamins has 20 spare degrees to send to rangi. 21:00 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on July 12, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 21:00 jcamins @wunder nzwn 21:00 rangi back 20:59 * jcamins would be happy to send Dyrcona an extra .9 degrees if he'd like it, too. 20:58 huginn` Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 29.5°C (4:58 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect until 6 PM EDT this evening... 20:58 Dyrcona @wunder 01845 20:58 jcamins The overnight low here is significantly higher than it is in Konstanz. You can have our heat. 20:57 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 30.4°C (4:46 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling). 20:57 jcamins @wunder 11375 20:57 cait getting pretty warm here these days 20:57 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.1°C (10:55 PM CEST on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 20:57 cait @wunder konstanz 20:39 cait it is weirdindeed 20:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1304: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1304/ 20:19 jcamins Well... this is weird. I have two records with null biblionumbers. 20:17 rangi ok school run, bbiab 20:08 pianohacker bye oleonard 20:07 rangi oleonard: cya 20:07 rangi jcamins: ahh cool will test the new patches 20:07 oleonard See y'all later 20:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10509 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Using i18n function for translation in webinstaller mysql files 20:07 rangi bug 10509 20:07 cait sadly 20:07 cait i haven't had time to look att he new translation patches lately 20:07 cait hm can you give me the bug number again? 20:07 rangi i will qa it 20:07 jcamins I wrote more patches. 20:07 rangi cait: if you sign off magnuses translation thingy of the sql 20:07 jcamins rangi: you did. 20:06 rangi maybe i was dreaming 20:06 rangi i thought i signed that off 20:06 rangi it is pretty cool 20:05 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB 20:05 wahanui bug 10240 is pretty cool, if I say so myself. 20:05 rambutan wahanui: bug 10240 20:04 cait hm? 20:04 rangi cait++ 20:04 jcamins I think most people know that a term is a word, and it won't make people think they're doing a keyword search when they're not. 20:04 cait rangi: i may be able to help some 20:03 oleonard Sounds good to me 20:03 jcamins What about changing "Keyword(s)" to "Term(s)"? 20:03 jcamins oleonard: oh, yeah, I was going to respond when the wifi died then I forgot. 20:03 oleonard Any thoughts about the authority search labels jcamins? 20:03 rangi rambutan: ^ thats quite handy 20:02 wahanui dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 20:02 rangi dashboard? 20:02 rambutan tnaks 20:02 wahanui i heard bugzilla was found at http://bugs.koha-community.org 20:02 rambutan bugzilla? 20:01 wahanui bugs is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 20:01 rambutan bugs? 20:01 rangi thats my goal, depending on what happens at work 20:01 rangi and signed off to 65 20:01 rangi i wonder if i can get needs signoff back down to 160ish 20:00 rangi hehe 19:58 cait omg that voice. 19:58 cait https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR65P73X5GI 19:57 * cait votes for shera 19:57 cait hi pianohacker :) 19:57 pianohacker hey cait 19:57 cait *giggles* 19:57 pianohacker hey rangi 19:57 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJolYw8tnk 19:57 rangi can we change hemain to heman 19:56 cait morning rangi 19:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9282 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , authorities auto-completion in mainmainentry 19:56 rangi bug 9282 19:53 cait oleonard: thx for the patch - and i like the idea for the search form 19:52 oleonard "Keyword(s)" must be wrong, since the next option references "keyword" too 19:52 oleonard ...but I'm not sure about the labels 19:52 oleonard I thought it would probably be more flexible to reorder the authority search form in the OPAC like this: http://www.screencast.com/t/TyUnQd7QpT3Y 19:44 jcamins Yeah, probably. 19:44 wahanui somebody said Authority type was going to be a problem. 19:44 oleonard Authority type? 19:43 oleonard jcamins: With an authority search, the option to choose chronological term, personal name, etc... What would you label that? 19:33 oleonard No :( 19:32 jcamins oleonard: do you by any chance know of a site that you think has nice forward/back/return to results buttons that I could imitate? 19:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1304 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10535 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , by default sort funds by name 19:18 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10535: by default sort funds by name 19:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1303: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1303/ 19:16 oleonard More acquisitions JavaScript 19:16 oleonard After talking about JS translatability I dusted off a patch I worked on a while ago and submitted it 19:16 cait hi oleonard :) 19:15 oleonard Hi again cait 19:04 * cait waves 19:00 oleonard I wonder why we have 6075 items in our production database which have NULL items.onloan but are checked out 19:00 gaetan_B bye ! 18:37 mtompset But some mal-content could mine through a sequence to find things. 18:37 edveal Just wanted to confirm this. Thanks. 18:36 mtompset True. 18:36 edveal Patrons don't know bib numbers anyway. 18:36 oleonard Oh I get it, I had it reversed 18:36 edveal Which is fine for the OPAC. 18:36 edveal The reason is suppression prevents the record form being searched not displayed. 18:36 oleonard I don't get it. Why wouldn't the non-suppressed biblio appear? 18:35 mtompset Shoot. Now I'm worried about it. 18:35 mtompset I can confirm what you are worried about edveal. 18:35 edveal Thanks just wanted confirmation. 18:35 edveal Yes and it seems to work. 18:34 mtompset the opac-details.pl url showed me a hidden item. 18:34 oleonard edveal: Can't you simply try it? 18:34 mtompset Oh my! 18:32 mtompset Ah. 18:31 edveal If you find any other bib record and then replace the bib # in the URL with the bib # of the suppressed record will it show up? 18:31 mtompset So, then I don't understand your scenario. 18:30 edveal No 18:30 mtompset can you have duplicate biblionumbers? 18:24 edveal I have a suppression question. If I bib record is suppressed and you find another record and replace the bib number with the bib number of the suppressed record, then the suppressed record should display in the opac or not? 18:13 Dyrcona I still think this is enough of an improvement to justify releasing 1.35 18:13 Dyrcona OK. 18:13 gmcharlt no, I've got it 18:13 Dyrcona You want me to send you that record. I probably sent it before. 18:12 Dyrcona gmcharlt: Looks like I found that Hangul character in record # 70 632. :( 18:04 Dyrcona If if makes through all 240 000, I say release it. :) 18:04 Dyrcona Well, it has chugged through 15000 records without a problem so far. 18:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #1303 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:03 gmcharlt it improves it, but there's at least one Hangul character that breaks it 18:02 Dyrcona I should know if it fixes my issues in a half hour or soe. 18:02 Dyrcona gmcharlt: I'm testing your wip branch of MARC::Charset right now. 18:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1302: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1302/ 16:58 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10535: by default sort funds by name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa6cdb60a9ab2581ffef08796a349242d3d2ff66> 16:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1302 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6898 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions 16:45 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6898: fix DB update that assigns the circulate/overdues_report permission 16:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1301: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1301/ 16:32 eythian git bisect is a bad drunk 16:25 oleonard git bisect, you are drunk. 16:06 oleonard Ah, had to go back a couple more years to find a working version. 16:03 eythian oleonard: I'm surprised no one has brought that up 16:02 * oleonard tested a version from a couple of years back and it didn't work then 16:02 slef ooh debrelease 16:02 oleonard Why does Basketgroups have a button that says "close and print?" Has that button ever made something print? 16:01 eythian then I rsync the repo 16:01 eythian slef: I use dput 16:01 eythian Not that they're consistent at all 16:01 slef eythian: dupload or dput? 16:01 eythian mtompset: if you're asking that, it would suggest that you ought to look at the existing ones and create new ones in a manner similar to them. 16:00 mtompset Lunch! :) 16:00 mtompset Okay... noted. :) 15:59 slef except spellcheck doesn't work on them :-/ 15:59 pianohacker mtompset: Generally not preferred, just about everything these days is CamelCase 15:59 slef IThinkWePrefereCamelCase 15:58 mtompset system preferences: underscores good, okay, bad? 15:51 eythian I don't think it's persistent within their session 15:48 mtompset Yes, but that would be the advantage of querying via SQL for the home branch, because the user wouldn't have to log out and log in, if the staff changed their home branch. But I suppose that isn't enough of a gain to not use the userenv hash. 15:46 mtompset Is patron category in the userenv hash? Should it be, if it isn't? 15:45 pianohacker (upon login) 15:45 pianohacker mtompset: Yes, as staff users can change their branch 15:45 eythian I should think so 15:45 mtompset Is it better to use the C4::Context userenv hash over intentionally SQL querying for a users home branch? 15:42 eythian I guess it'll have to do 15:41 mtompset So, "I feel the love from the gentle trickle of bug fixes" is better? :P 15:40 mtompset Only if you think that trickle means something else. :P 15:40 eythian yes 15:40 mtompset bug fix trickle of love? 15:39 eythian your phrasing. 15:39 mtompset disturbing? 15:39 eythian how disturbing 15:38 mtompset I feel the bug fix trickle of love. :) 15:38 mtompset Sweet! 15:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #1301 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10548 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , koha_perl_deps.pl miscounts dependencies displayed 15:31 jenkins_koha Mark Tompsett: bug 10548: fix count of missing required dependencies by koha_perl_deps.pl 15:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1300: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1300/ 15:12 reiveune bye 15:09 mtompset I think only in part, oleonard. 15:04 oleonard I'll bet that entire scene was prompted by the fact that Pixar didn't want to have to animate a main character wearing a cape. 14:59 kf okok, i don#t insist on a cape 14:59 mtompset oleonard++ # no capes! ;) 14:53 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6898: fix DB update that assigns the circulate/overdues_report permission <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6bf2670502afbd12981aa5e913779c38c19bdc4> 14:52 kf :) 14:48 oleonard No capes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNUbPRj9TGM 14:48 eythian kf: you've tested that patch yet? ;) 14:48 kf eythian++ :) 14:47 eythian cool. though you should probably include or symlink to the koha one so that if it changes, you don't have to copy it over again 14:47 mtompset eythian++ # thanks, I have a better perlcriticrc now. :) 14:46 kf including cape of course 14:45 kf the one and only superlibrarian :) 14:45 kf oleonard++ 14:43 eythian ~/.perlcriticrc 14:42 mtompset how do I make the perlcriticrc file with qa-tools the default one? 14:39 mtompset AH! okay... 14:38 tcohen run perlcritic -p perlcriticrc_file 14:36 mtompset I have the qa tools test, and it failed. 14:35 kf i forgot what i had to do there and can't check right now :( 14:35 kf but i think you have to copy it someplace 14:35 eythian then you shoul duse that, mtompset 14:35 kf in the file that comes witht he qa tools 14:35 eythian oh, OK 14:35 kf we have one 14:35 eythian then we should have a perlcritic rule to avoid that 14:35 kf it's ok, it's your perlcriticthing file not being the right one 14:34 mtompset But it fails the perlcritic -5 test. 14:34 eythian if because you have Modern::Perl then I'd say that's OK 14:34 mtompset using Modern::Perl instead. 14:34 eythian why are you excluding them? 14:33 mtompset I know that newer code needs to meet perlcritic -5 testing, but excluding use strict and use warnings causes my code to fail the perlcritic -5 testing. What should I do? 14:32 mtompset Greetings, kf! 14:32 kf hi mtompset 14:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:32 kf ok :) 14:32 kf hehe 14:31 eythian it worked perfectly fine in the beginning, it was just a bit overzealous! 14:30 kf eythian: nothing in return? 14:28 kf *hides* 14:28 kf i think it was not acceptable that it didn't work right from the beginning :P 14:28 kf heh 14:24 eythian I'm not sure that's acceptable...:) 14:23 kf might take a bit 14:23 kf :) 14:20 eythian that's fine too :) 14:20 kf eythian: i am volunteering the coworker 14:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #1300 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10548: fix count of missing required dependencies by koha_perl_deps.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0134341d9a9883013b7eee3bdc84aa339e618bcc> 14:12 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Remove the message about upgrading to 3.4 14:11 * eythian volunteers kf to test bug 10574 for me 13:41 tcohen hi kf druthb_away 13:39 kf hi druthb_away :) 13:39 kf hi tcohen :) 13:38 tcohen heh 13:15 wahanui i guess logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ 13:15 druthb wahanui: logs? 13:14 wahanui okay, eythian. 13:14 eythian wahanui: javascript is also http://sealedabstract.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/JavaScript-the-good-parts.jpg 13:14 wahanui javascript is required for interactions with clicks 13:14 eythian wahanui: javascript 12:54 jcamins Don't they sound delicious? 12:53 jcamins Hehe. 12:52 * oleonard can't figure out why he suddenly wants fudge popsicles 12:52 oleonard Styling needs to be fiddled with, but I think that's on the right track 12:51 oleonard Yes 12:50 jcamins So, more like this: http://screencast.com/t/qMlTqY7jQ ? 12:43 jcamins That's a debug pane with information about performance, requests, etc. 12:42 jcamins It's Plack. 12:42 oleonard I know I've seen it in action before but I forget, what is the question mark think you have running on your test installations? 12:41 kf or that 12:41 jcamins But I'm changing it to "Return to results." 12:41 kf i think then i would remove it 12:41 jcamins Just a heading. 12:41 kf /label 12:41 kf or just a heading 12:41 kf clickable? 12:41 kf jcamins: is the browse results the same functionality as in the opac? 12:40 jcamins I'd have to change the layout to three-column, which seems like something we don't want. 12:40 oleonard jcamins: Offering a "back to results" link would orient the user well enough without the "browse" label I think 12:39 jcamins Not without messing up the layout, I don't think. 12:39 kf yes 12:39 kf um the other left... right 12:39 jcamins On the right side? 12:39 kf could we put it on the left side like we do in the opac? 12:39 jcamins I had not planned on it, but I certainly can. 12:39 kf jcamins: i like that better than below 12:39 jcamins oleonard: that's a good idea. 12:38 oleonard jcamins: Do you plan on offering a "back to results" link? 12:32 jcamins ? 12:32 jcamins oleonard: so something like this: http://screencast.com/t/9SugYJHnH 12:24 tweetbot [off] twitter: @FredRiondet: "Quelqu'un possède la liste exhaustive des mxt / genres #COinS? C'est pour implémentation #Zotero sur #KohaILS. #VieilleDocPasà Jour" 12:22 jcamins Okay, so it'll take me several minutes to figure this out. 12:21 jcamins Well that's weird. The "Browse results" text is appearing behind the buttons. 12:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Mandatory opac hold notes under specified conditions 12:21 marcelr the intriguing bug 9743 is ready again for some testing :) 12:20 jcamins Something like... 12:20 oleonard I also think they probably belong above the tabs 12:20 jcamins I can easily add that. 12:19 oleonard I'm concerned that without references to "results" like the OPAC version has it's not clear what they're for. 12:16 jcamins Yeah. 12:16 oleonard For search results? 12:16 jcamins Good morning, oleonard. What do you think of the Previous/Next buttons in this screenshot: http://screencast.com/t/Q8Bf55e6kd2 12:13 * oleonard loves getting secret messages from huginn` 12:12 oleonard Hi #koha 12:02 eythian that'll clean things up a little 12:02 * eythian deletes 3.5GB of old build files from his working directory. 11:27 eythian ah, what you're supposed to do is set the environment variable DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive 11:26 jcamins That is my understanding as well. 11:26 eythian though I'm not sure 11:25 eythian not debconf 11:25 eythian I think -y is just about apt questions. 11:25 eythian I actually suspect that's the wrong way to do it 11:24 kf but shoudl be alright 11:24 kf thought we might end up with another message sometime in the future :) 11:24 eythian once I stop that message from displaying, what would it ask you about now? 11:23 kf then it would never ask you for confirmation 11:23 eythian kf: to what end? 11:23 kf eythian: will you also take a look at the -y for apt-get? 11:22 kf just mailed it to the coworker ;) 11:22 kf heh 11:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Remove the message about upgrading to 3.4 11:18 eythian kf: bug 10574 11:06 marcelr there is some overlap with koha-preferences but cmp compares too 11:05 marcelr drojf: there is also cmp_sysprefs.pl in misc/maintenance 09:51 drojf i think so. nice 09:50 kf the dump and load might work for profiles? 09:48 kf koha-preferences - Get, set, dump and load Koha system preferences 09:48 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/admin;h=db3a84bb7faa5fe80581bc0077ca13962cf8f528;hb=97bbf04757227f2a26a6f5b1b216d2bab8efbdc9 09:48 drojf cool 09:48 drojf ah 09:48 kf not sure if it's usable, but it shoudl be somewhere in misc 09:47 kf somewhere in koha :) 09:47 drojf kf: somehwere as on bugzilla or somewhere on the internet? 09:43 drojf hmm yes that makes sense about sysadmin vs librarian 09:43 drojf not sure about the level. personally i only like "disable all the third party junk and especially social networks", so turning off everything is the only level i need ;) also i have no concrete plans to do it, but i have a privacy/opt-out page for privacy-related sysprefs somewhere on my "would like to work on it some day" pile and came to the idea of the package command in the shower this morning. 09:41 eythian it's not really the responsibility of the sysadmin (in general), it's the library staff who should determine the sysprefs. 09:40 eythian all this said, I wonder if something like that would be better done as an enhancement to the web interface. 09:40 eythian as soon as you're writing something to change sysprefs, you may as well make it work with many different things. 09:39 eythian also, it's overly specific. 09:38 eythian because how do you get a level out of a bunch of orthogonal parameters? 09:38 kf drojf: there is a script from pianohacker somewhere for doing that on normal installations 09:38 * kf waves again back from a meeting 09:30 drojf why does privacy not make sense? 09:29 eythian hmm. 'koha-privacy' isn't really a good one, because it doesn't make a lot of sense. But something that let you set sysprefs and perhaps had some built in profiles could be an interesting thing to do. 09:28 drojf would it be a horrible idea to have a command for the koha packages that sets some sysprefs? iw as thinking about something like koha-privacy <level> <instancename> that sets relevant sysprefs automatically 09:27 eythian yarp 09:27 drojf eythian: around? 09:00 wahanui niihau, eythian 09:00 eythian hi 07:55 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.6°C (9:43 AM CEST on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 07:55 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:52 marcelr hi drojf 07:52 drojf hi marcelr and kf 07:47 drojf [off] thanks BobB, i actually forgot to mention the upgrade part over the scary "you have to use linux now!" part in the mail on the list :) 07:35 kf hi marcelr 07:34 marcelr hi kf 07:34 marcelr bye dcook 07:33 dcook night night #koha 07:32 kf good morning #koha 07:23 marcelr hi gaetan_B 07:22 wahanui bidet, gaetan_B 07:22 gaetan_B hello 06:57 christophe_c hi marcelr 06:56 marcelr hi christophe_c 06:56 christophe_c hello #koha 06:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10520 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Add i18n function to English mysql files for webinstaller 06:56 marcelr just put a patch with 80461 lines on bug 10520 06:55 marcelr hi #koha 06:30 reiveune salut dcook :) 06:28 * dcook vows to stop answering the phone and actually write his little blurb 06:28 dcook \o/ weird things 06:28 drojf i wanted to but then got distracted by some weird things 06:28 dcook salut reiveune :) 06:28 cait :) 06:27 drojf thanks for writing my test plan and testing :) 06:27 drojf hi cait 06:26 reiveune hi cait :) 06:26 cait hi reiveune :) 06:26 reiveune hello 06:26 cait hi #koha 06:23 drojf [off] argh :D 06:20 dcook [off] Classic. I knew someone recently in a situation where they thought their password was wrong...but it turned out their username was lowercase but the registration confirmation message showed it in uppercase...and it was case-sensitive...d'oh! 06:18 drojf [off] i like how i set a password on my tablet before i left it in the office and immediately forgot that password. d'oh 06:14 dcook [off] Hehe. Evidently :p. 06:14 drojf [off] i'm a positive guy at 8 in the morning :P 06:13 drojf [off] email explaining the requirement of a linux installation to use koha sent to the list, i expect something like "but how to install on windows" as a reply 06:03 dcook [off] And I thought I had some old versions around... 06:02 dcook [off] Eww.. 06:02 drojf [off] to read "We are using Koha 2.28 software since 5 years" makes me shiver 05:59 drojf cait++ :) 05:57 drojf hi dcook 05:57 drojf s/goof/good 05:57 dcook morning drojf 05:57 drojf goof morning #koha 04:21 dcook [off] Interesting open letter on race... http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/why-i-dont-want-to-talk-about-race/ 03:42 Oak hello dcook :) 03:41 dcook Hey, Oak :) 03:41 dcook Data conversion...yay 03:28 dcook Just sayin'. I prefer this so much more than using the Perl/TT detail display. 03:27 dcook XSLT++ 03:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap 03:20 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309. 03:20 wizzyrea bootstrap 03:18 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. 03:18 wizzyrea bootstrap? 03:18 dcook oleonard++ 03:18 dcook Mmm, cool beans 03:16 wizzyrea etc. 03:16 wizzyrea "owen's doing work on that there's an up to date demo at..." 03:16 wizzyrea "wouldn't it be cool if the opac were bootstrap" 03:16 wizzyrea anytime it comes up here 03:16 dcook wizzyrea: Pass it on to whom? 03:00 wizzyrea (it works fine, it's just not designed for 100 people hitting it at the same time ^.^) 02:59 wizzyrea the machine is a little underpowered, so we don't want to send it to the list. 02:59 wizzyrea please pass it on, catalyst is running a demo site with oleonard's bootstrap opac at responsive.mykoha.co.nz. 01:05 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 00:58 * jcamins goes to eat some dinner. 00:58 jcamins Fortunately that is a prime example of something which is of absolutely no importance whatsoever to me, so having reported the bug, I no longer have to think about it. 00:57 jcamins I'm pretty sure it used to work too, but I have XSLT disabled and it's set to labelled MARC view, and it does nothing. 00:57 wizzyrea know* 00:57 wizzyrea i *kinow* that used to work 00:56 dcook Never used in the code? 00:56 jcamins IntranetDefaultBiblioView or whatever it is doesn't do anything no matter what. 00:55 jcamins Actually, you know what? 00:51 dcook \o/ 00:51 jcamins Well, at least I know. 00:51 dcook Hmm, yep. Looks busted. 00:50 jcamins IntranetBiblioDefaultView. 00:50 jcamins ... and it doesn't work. 00:50 wahanui i think the syspref is only there, so people can switch to zebra 00:50 dcook What's the syspref? 00:49 jcamins The syspref is under Cataloging, of all places. 00:49 jcamins Found it. 00:49 jcamins I thought there were links. 00:49 jcamins Is there no way to view anything other than the standard view from a results page? 00:49 jcamins Okay, wait a minute. 00:47 * jcamins has gotten a ton of requests for it. 00:47 wizzyrea i am sure people will find it useful 00:46 dcook I want to say that I've heard of people wanting this... 00:45 dcook Sounds good :) 00:43 jcamins And I designed it so that it would A) not take down the server and B) not cause a mess someone screwed up their Javascript. 00:43 dcook Sweeeet 00:42 jcamins Exactly. 00:42 dcook jcamins: Are you referring to the ability to do a search, go into a record, then go "previous" or "next" from the detail record? 00:42 jcamins Yup. 00:41 dcook [off] I love phone calls that last less than 15 seconds 00:41 wizzyrea you mean the marc detail and the isbd view? 00:41 dcook jcamins: I'm even more intrigued now 00:41 jcamins Now I have to put the paging on the other views. 00:40 mtompset Back in a moment, hopefully... Bye, bye. Waterfox. I want my quicktime plug in. 00:39 wizzyrea hehe double oops 00:39 * jcamins was picturing you clutching your stomach in agony at the thought. 00:39 wizzyrea no I do, i typo'd ohhh 00:38 jcamins ... you don't like paging through results? 00:38 wizzyrea oghhhhh 00:38 jcamins Paging through results. 00:38 jcamins dcook: it's not not really "browsing," but that's what we call it on the OPAC. 00:38 wizzyrea me either :) 00:38 dcook I'm not entirely sure what you even mean by staff side browsing, but it sounds good ;) 00:37 jcamins It was way harder than one would think it should be. 00:35 dcook Huzzah, jcamins! 00:34 jcamins Good news! The staff side browsing I implemented works in a way that is unlikely to break the staff client. 00:18 mtompset -- when I found an unrelated bug in testing. :P 00:16 mtompset There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom. And there was. There was an earth shattering kaboom. :P 00:11 wizzyrea yep, agreed there 00:10 dcook It seems to me that any superlibrarian should be able to manage all lists though 00:10 dcook I suppose in that case you could have your db user do the mop up... 00:09 wahanui hmmm... Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 00:09 dcook Interesting 00:09 wizzyrea user 0 00:09 wizzyrea that's the db user 00:09 dcook But if your admin account isn't borrower #0, you're still hooped, no? 00:09 * wizzyrea tests this theory 00:08 wahanui Really is, like, off now 00:08 dcook Really? 00:07 wizzyrea then at least teh superlibrarian can get at them. 00:07 wizzyrea you know, when one deletes a borrower the lists should really go back to owner 0 instead of NULL. 00:06 dcook That doesn't sound good :p 00:06 dcook Kaboom? 00:05 mtompset Woo hoo! I think I got the override working. Kaboom!