Time Nick Message 00:05 mtompset Woo hoo! I think I got the override working. Kaboom! 00:06 dcook Kaboom? 00:06 dcook That doesn't sound good :p 00:07 wizzyrea you know, when one deletes a borrower the lists should really go back to owner 0 instead of NULL. 00:07 wizzyrea then at least teh superlibrarian can get at them. 00:08 dcook Really? 00:08 wahanui Really is, like, off now 00:09 * wizzyrea tests this theory 00:09 dcook But if your admin account isn't borrower #0, you're still hooped, no? 00:09 wizzyrea that's the db user 00:09 wizzyrea user 0 00:09 dcook Interesting 00:09 wahanui hmmm... Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 00:10 dcook I suppose in that case you could have your db user do the mop up... 00:10 dcook It seems to me that any superlibrarian should be able to manage all lists though 00:11 wizzyrea yep, agreed there 00:16 mtompset There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom. And there was. There was an earth shattering kaboom. :P 00:18 mtompset -- when I found an unrelated bug in testing. :P 00:34 jcamins Good news! The staff side browsing I implemented works in a way that is unlikely to break the staff client. 00:35 dcook Huzzah, jcamins! 00:37 jcamins It was way harder than one would think it should be. 00:38 dcook I'm not entirely sure what you even mean by staff side browsing, but it sounds good ;) 00:38 wizzyrea me either :) 00:38 jcamins dcook: it's not not really "browsing," but that's what we call it on the OPAC. 00:38 jcamins Paging through results. 00:38 wizzyrea oghhhhh 00:38 jcamins ... you don't like paging through results? 00:39 wizzyrea no I do, i typo'd ohhh 00:39 * jcamins was picturing you clutching your stomach in agony at the thought. 00:39 wizzyrea hehe double oops 00:40 mtompset Back in a moment, hopefully... Bye, bye. Waterfox. I want my quicktime plug in. 00:41 jcamins Now I have to put the paging on the other views. 00:41 dcook jcamins: I'm even more intrigued now 00:41 wizzyrea you mean the marc detail and the isbd view? 00:41 dcook [off] I love phone calls that last less than 15 seconds 00:42 jcamins Yup. 00:42 dcook jcamins: Are you referring to the ability to do a search, go into a record, then go "previous" or "next" from the detail record? 00:42 jcamins Exactly. 00:43 dcook Sweeeet 00:43 jcamins And I designed it so that it would A) not take down the server and B) not cause a mess someone screwed up their Javascript. 00:45 dcook Sounds good :) 00:46 dcook I want to say that I've heard of people wanting this... 00:47 wizzyrea i am sure people will find it useful 00:47 * jcamins has gotten a ton of requests for it. 00:49 jcamins Okay, wait a minute. 00:49 jcamins Is there no way to view anything other than the standard view from a results page? 00:49 jcamins I thought there were links. 00:49 jcamins Found it. 00:49 jcamins The syspref is under Cataloging, of all places. 00:50 dcook What's the syspref? 00:50 wahanui i think the syspref is only there, so people can switch to zebra 00:50 jcamins ... and it doesn't work. 00:50 jcamins IntranetBiblioDefaultView. 00:51 dcook Hmm, yep. Looks busted. 00:51 jcamins Well, at least I know. 00:51 dcook \o/ 00:55 jcamins Actually, you know what? 00:56 jcamins IntranetDefaultBiblioView or whatever it is doesn't do anything no matter what. 00:56 dcook Never used in the code? 00:57 wizzyrea i *kinow* that used to work 00:57 wizzyrea know* 00:57 jcamins I'm pretty sure it used to work too, but I have XSLT disabled and it's set to labelled MARC view, and it does nothing. 00:58 jcamins Fortunately that is a prime example of something which is of absolutely no importance whatsoever to me, so having reported the bug, I no longer have to think about it. 00:58 * jcamins goes to eat some dinner. 01:05 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 02:59 wizzyrea please pass it on, catalyst is running a demo site with oleonard's bootstrap opac at responsive.mykoha.co.nz. 02:59 wizzyrea the machine is a little underpowered, so we don't want to send it to the list. 03:00 wizzyrea (it works fine, it's just not designed for 100 people hitting it at the same time ^.^) 03:16 dcook wizzyrea: Pass it on to whom? 03:16 wizzyrea anytime it comes up here 03:16 wizzyrea "wouldn't it be cool if the opac were bootstrap" 03:16 wizzyrea "owen's doing work on that there's an up to date demo at..." 03:16 wizzyrea etc. 03:18 dcook Mmm, cool beans 03:18 dcook oleonard++ 03:18 wizzyrea bootstrap? 03:18 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. 03:20 wizzyrea bootstrap 03:20 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309. 03:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap 03:27 dcook XSLT++ 03:28 dcook Just sayin'. I prefer this so much more than using the Perl/TT detail display. 03:41 dcook Data conversion...yay 03:41 dcook Hey, Oak :) 03:42 Oak hello dcook :) 04:21 dcook [off] Interesting open letter on race... http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/why-i-dont-want-to-talk-about-race/ 05:57 drojf goof morning #koha 05:57 dcook morning drojf 05:57 drojf s/goof/good 05:57 drojf hi dcook 05:59 drojf cait++ :) 06:02 drojf [off] to read "We are using Koha 2.28 software since 5 years" makes me shiver 06:02 dcook [off] Eww.. 06:03 dcook [off] And I thought I had some old versions around... 06:13 drojf [off] email explaining the requirement of a linux installation to use koha sent to the list, i expect something like "but how to install on windows" as a reply 06:14 drojf [off] i'm a positive guy at 8 in the morning :P 06:14 dcook [off] Hehe. Evidently :p. 06:18 drojf [off] i like how i set a password on my tablet before i left it in the office and immediately forgot that password. d'oh 06:20 dcook [off] Classic. I knew someone recently in a situation where they thought their password was wrong...but it turned out their username was lowercase but the registration confirmation message showed it in uppercase...and it was case-sensitive...d'oh! 06:23 drojf [off] argh :D 06:26 cait hi #koha 06:26 reiveune hello 06:26 cait hi reiveune :) 06:26 reiveune hi cait :) 06:27 drojf hi cait 06:27 drojf thanks for writing my test plan and testing :) 06:28 cait :) 06:28 dcook salut reiveune :) 06:28 drojf i wanted to but then got distracted by some weird things 06:28 dcook \o/ weird things 06:28 * dcook vows to stop answering the phone and actually write his little blurb 06:30 reiveune salut dcook :) 06:55 marcelr hi #koha 06:56 marcelr just put a patch with 80461 lines on bug 10520 06:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10520 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Add i18n function to English mysql files for webinstaller 06:56 christophe_c hello #koha 06:56 marcelr hi christophe_c 06:57 christophe_c hi marcelr 07:22 gaetan_B hello 07:22 wahanui bidet, gaetan_B 07:23 marcelr hi gaetan_B 07:32 kf good morning #koha 07:33 dcook night night #koha 07:34 marcelr bye dcook 07:34 marcelr hi kf 07:35 kf hi marcelr 07:47 drojf [off] thanks BobB, i actually forgot to mention the upgrade part over the scary "you have to use linux now!" part in the mail on the list :) 07:52 drojf hi marcelr and kf 07:52 marcelr hi drojf 07:55 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:55 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.6°C (9:43 AM CEST on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 09:00 eythian hi 09:00 wahanui niihau, eythian 09:27 drojf eythian: around? 09:27 eythian yarp 09:28 drojf would it be a horrible idea to have a command for the koha packages that sets some sysprefs? iw as thinking about something like koha-privacy <level> <instancename> that sets relevant sysprefs automatically 09:29 eythian hmm. 'koha-privacy' isn't really a good one, because it doesn't make a lot of sense. But something that let you set sysprefs and perhaps had some built in profiles could be an interesting thing to do. 09:30 drojf why does privacy not make sense? 09:38 * kf waves again back from a meeting 09:38 kf drojf: there is a script from pianohacker somewhere for doing that on normal installations 09:38 eythian because how do you get a level out of a bunch of orthogonal parameters? 09:39 eythian also, it's overly specific. 09:40 eythian as soon as you're writing something to change sysprefs, you may as well make it work with many different things. 09:40 eythian all this said, I wonder if something like that would be better done as an enhancement to the web interface. 09:41 eythian it's not really the responsibility of the sysadmin (in general), it's the library staff who should determine the sysprefs. 09:43 drojf not sure about the level. personally i only like "disable all the third party junk and especially social networks", so turning off everything is the only level i need ;) also i have no concrete plans to do it, but i have a privacy/opt-out page for privacy-related sysprefs somewhere on my "would like to work on it some day" pile and came to the idea of the package command in the shower this morning. 09:43 drojf hmm yes that makes sense about sysadmin vs librarian 09:47 drojf kf: somehwere as on bugzilla or somewhere on the internet? 09:47 kf somewhere in koha :) 09:48 kf not sure if it's usable, but it shoudl be somewhere in misc 09:48 drojf ah 09:48 drojf cool 09:48 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/admin;h=db3a84bb7faa5fe80581bc0077ca13962cf8f528;hb=97bbf04757227f2a26a6f5b1b216d2bab8efbdc9 09:48 kf koha-preferences - Get, set, dump and load Koha system preferences 09:50 kf the dump and load might work for profiles? 09:51 drojf i think so. nice 11:05 marcelr drojf: there is also cmp_sysprefs.pl in misc/maintenance 11:06 marcelr there is some overlap with koha-preferences but cmp compares too 11:18 eythian kf: bug 10574 11:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Remove the message about upgrading to 3.4 11:22 kf heh 11:22 kf just mailed it to the coworker ;) 11:23 kf eythian: will you also take a look at the -y for apt-get? 11:23 eythian kf: to what end? 11:23 kf then it would never ask you for confirmation 11:24 eythian once I stop that message from displaying, what would it ask you about now? 11:24 kf thought we might end up with another message sometime in the future :) 11:24 kf but shoudl be alright 11:25 eythian I actually suspect that's the wrong way to do it 11:25 eythian I think -y is just about apt questions. 11:25 eythian not debconf 11:26 eythian though I'm not sure 11:26 jcamins That is my understanding as well. 11:27 eythian ah, what you're supposed to do is set the environment variable DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive 12:02 * eythian deletes 3.5GB of old build files from his working directory. 12:02 eythian that'll clean things up a little 12:12 oleonard Hi #koha 12:13 * oleonard loves getting secret messages from huginn` 12:16 jcamins Good morning, oleonard. What do you think of the Previous/Next buttons in this screenshot: http://screencast.com/t/Q8Bf55e6kd2 12:16 oleonard For search results? 12:16 jcamins Yeah. 12:19 oleonard I'm concerned that without references to "results" like the OPAC version has it's not clear what they're for. 12:20 jcamins I can easily add that. 12:20 oleonard I also think they probably belong above the tabs 12:20 jcamins Something like... 12:21 marcelr the intriguing bug 9743 is ready again for some testing :) 12:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Mandatory opac hold notes under specified conditions 12:21 jcamins Well that's weird. The "Browse results" text is appearing behind the buttons. 12:22 jcamins Okay, so it'll take me several minutes to figure this out. 12:24 tweetbot [off] twitter: @FredRiondet: "Quelqu'un possède la liste exhaustive des mxt / genres #COinS? C'est pour implémentation #Zotero sur #KohaILS. #VieilleDocPasà Jour" 12:32 jcamins oleonard: so something like this: http://screencast.com/t/9SugYJHnH 12:32 jcamins ? 12:38 oleonard jcamins: Do you plan on offering a "back to results" link? 12:39 jcamins oleonard: that's a good idea. 12:39 kf jcamins: i like that better than below 12:39 jcamins I had not planned on it, but I certainly can. 12:39 kf could we put it on the left side like we do in the opac? 12:39 jcamins On the right side? 12:39 kf um the other left... right 12:39 kf yes 12:39 jcamins Not without messing up the layout, I don't think. 12:40 oleonard jcamins: Offering a "back to results" link would orient the user well enough without the "browse" label I think 12:40 jcamins I'd have to change the layout to three-column, which seems like something we don't want. 12:41 kf jcamins: is the browse results the same functionality as in the opac? 12:41 kf clickable? 12:41 kf or just a heading 12:41 kf /label 12:41 jcamins Just a heading. 12:41 kf i think then i would remove it 12:41 jcamins But I'm changing it to "Return to results." 12:41 kf or that 12:42 oleonard I know I've seen it in action before but I forget, what is the question mark think you have running on your test installations? 12:42 jcamins It's Plack. 12:43 jcamins That's a debug pane with information about performance, requests, etc. 12:50 jcamins So, more like this: http://screencast.com/t/qMlTqY7jQ ? 12:51 oleonard Yes 12:52 oleonard Styling needs to be fiddled with, but I think that's on the right track 12:52 * oleonard can't figure out why he suddenly wants fudge popsicles 12:53 jcamins Hehe. 12:54 jcamins Don't they sound delicious? 13:14 eythian wahanui: javascript 13:14 wahanui javascript is required for interactions with clicks 13:14 eythian wahanui: javascript is also http://sealedabstract.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/JavaScript-the-good-parts.jpg 13:14 wahanui okay, eythian. 13:15 druthb wahanui: logs? 13:15 wahanui i guess logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ 13:38 tcohen heh 13:39 kf hi tcohen :) 13:39 kf hi druthb_away :) 13:41 tcohen hi kf druthb_away 14:11 * eythian volunteers kf to test bug 10574 for me 14:12 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Remove the message about upgrading to 3.4 14:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10548: fix count of missing required dependencies by koha_perl_deps.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0134341d9a9883013b7eee3bdc84aa339e618bcc> 14:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #1300 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:20 kf eythian: i am volunteering the coworker 14:20 eythian that's fine too :) 14:23 kf :) 14:23 kf might take a bit 14:24 eythian I'm not sure that's acceptable...:) 14:28 kf heh 14:28 kf i think it was not acceptable that it didn't work right from the beginning :P 14:28 kf *hides* 14:30 kf eythian: nothing in return? 14:31 eythian it worked perfectly fine in the beginning, it was just a bit overzealous! 14:32 kf hehe 14:32 kf ok :) 14:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:32 kf hi mtompset 14:32 mtompset Greetings, kf! 14:33 mtompset I know that newer code needs to meet perlcritic -5 testing, but excluding use strict and use warnings causes my code to fail the perlcritic -5 testing. What should I do? 14:34 eythian why are you excluding them? 14:34 mtompset using Modern::Perl instead. 14:34 eythian if because you have Modern::Perl then I'd say that's OK 14:34 mtompset But it fails the perlcritic -5 test. 14:35 kf it's ok, it's your perlcriticthing file not being the right one 14:35 eythian then we should have a perlcritic rule to avoid that 14:35 kf we have one 14:35 eythian oh, OK 14:35 kf in the file that comes witht he qa tools 14:35 eythian then you shoul duse that, mtompset 14:35 kf but i think you have to copy it someplace 14:35 kf i forgot what i had to do there and can't check right now :( 14:36 mtompset I have the qa tools test, and it failed. 14:38 tcohen run perlcritic -p perlcriticrc_file 14:39 mtompset AH! okay... 14:42 mtompset how do I make the perlcriticrc file with qa-tools the default one? 14:43 eythian ~/.perlcriticrc 14:45 kf oleonard++ 14:45 kf the one and only superlibrarian :) 14:46 kf including cape of course 14:47 mtompset eythian++ # thanks, I have a better perlcriticrc now. :) 14:47 eythian cool. though you should probably include or symlink to the koha one so that if it changes, you don't have to copy it over again 14:48 kf eythian++ :) 14:48 eythian kf: you've tested that patch yet? ;) 14:48 oleonard No capes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNUbPRj9TGM 14:52 kf :) 14:53 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6898: fix DB update that assigns the circulate/overdues_report permission <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6bf2670502afbd12981aa5e913779c38c19bdc4> 14:59 mtompset oleonard++ # no capes! ;) 14:59 kf okok, i don#t insist on a cape 15:04 oleonard I'll bet that entire scene was prompted by the fact that Pixar didn't want to have to animate a main character wearing a cape. 15:09 mtompset I think only in part, oleonard. 15:12 reiveune bye 15:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1300: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1300/ 15:31 jenkins_koha Mark Tompsett: bug 10548: fix count of missing required dependencies by koha_perl_deps.pl 15:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10548 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , koha_perl_deps.pl miscounts dependencies displayed 15:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #1301 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:38 mtompset Sweet! 15:38 mtompset I feel the bug fix trickle of love. :) 15:39 eythian how disturbing 15:39 mtompset disturbing? 15:39 eythian your phrasing. 15:40 mtompset bug fix trickle of love? 15:40 eythian yes 15:40 mtompset Only if you think that trickle means something else. :P 15:41 mtompset So, "I feel the love from the gentle trickle of bug fixes" is better? :P 15:42 eythian I guess it'll have to do 15:45 mtompset Is it better to use the C4::Context userenv hash over intentionally SQL querying for a users home branch? 15:45 eythian I should think so 15:45 pianohacker mtompset: Yes, as staff users can change their branch 15:45 pianohacker (upon login) 15:46 mtompset Is patron category in the userenv hash? Should it be, if it isn't? 15:48 mtompset Yes, but that would be the advantage of querying via SQL for the home branch, because the user wouldn't have to log out and log in, if the staff changed their home branch. But I suppose that isn't enough of a gain to not use the userenv hash. 15:51 eythian I don't think it's persistent within their session 15:58 mtompset system preferences: underscores good, okay, bad? 15:59 slef IThinkWePrefereCamelCase 15:59 pianohacker mtompset: Generally not preferred, just about everything these days is CamelCase 15:59 slef except spellcheck doesn't work on them :-/ 16:00 mtompset Okay... noted. :) 16:00 mtompset Lunch! :) 16:01 eythian mtompset: if you're asking that, it would suggest that you ought to look at the existing ones and create new ones in a manner similar to them. 16:01 slef eythian: dupload or dput? 16:01 eythian Not that they're consistent at all 16:01 eythian slef: I use dput 16:01 eythian then I rsync the repo 16:02 oleonard Why does Basketgroups have a button that says "close and print?" Has that button ever made something print? 16:02 slef ooh debrelease 16:02 * oleonard tested a version from a couple of years back and it didn't work then 16:03 eythian oleonard: I'm surprised no one has brought that up 16:06 oleonard Ah, had to go back a couple more years to find a working version. 16:25 oleonard git bisect, you are drunk. 16:32 eythian git bisect is a bad drunk 16:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1301: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1301/ 16:45 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6898: fix DB update that assigns the circulate/overdues_report permission 16:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6898 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions 16:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1302 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:58 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10535: by default sort funds by name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa6cdb60a9ab2581ffef08796a349242d3d2ff66> 18:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1302: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1302/ 18:02 Dyrcona gmcharlt: I'm testing your wip branch of MARC::Charset right now. 18:02 Dyrcona I should know if it fixes my issues in a half hour or soe. 18:03 gmcharlt it improves it, but there's at least one Hangul character that breaks it 18:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #1303 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:04 Dyrcona Well, it has chugged through 15000 records without a problem so far. 18:04 Dyrcona If if makes through all 240 000, I say release it. :) 18:12 Dyrcona gmcharlt: Looks like I found that Hangul character in record # 70 632. :( 18:13 Dyrcona You want me to send you that record. I probably sent it before. 18:13 gmcharlt no, I've got it 18:13 Dyrcona OK. 18:13 Dyrcona I still think this is enough of an improvement to justify releasing 1.35 18:24 edveal I have a suppression question. If I bib record is suppressed and you find another record and replace the bib number with the bib number of the suppressed record, then the suppressed record should display in the opac or not? 18:30 mtompset can you have duplicate biblionumbers? 18:30 edveal No 18:31 mtompset So, then I don't understand your scenario. 18:31 edveal If you find any other bib record and then replace the bib # in the URL with the bib # of the suppressed record will it show up? 18:32 mtompset Ah. 18:34 mtompset Oh my! 18:34 oleonard edveal: Can't you simply try it? 18:34 mtompset the opac-details.pl url showed me a hidden item. 18:35 edveal Yes and it seems to work. 18:35 edveal Thanks just wanted confirmation. 18:35 mtompset I can confirm what you are worried about edveal. 18:35 mtompset Shoot. Now I'm worried about it. 18:36 oleonard I don't get it. Why wouldn't the non-suppressed biblio appear? 18:36 edveal The reason is suppression prevents the record form being searched not displayed. 18:36 edveal Which is fine for the OPAC. 18:36 oleonard Oh I get it, I had it reversed 18:36 edveal Patrons don't know bib numbers anyway. 18:36 mtompset True. 18:37 edveal Just wanted to confirm this. Thanks. 18:37 mtompset But some mal-content could mine through a sequence to find things. 19:00 gaetan_B bye ! 19:00 oleonard I wonder why we have 6075 items in our production database which have NULL items.onloan but are checked out 19:04 * cait waves 19:15 oleonard Hi again cait 19:16 cait hi oleonard :) 19:16 oleonard After talking about JS translatability I dusted off a patch I worked on a while ago and submitted it 19:16 oleonard More acquisitions JavaScript 19:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1303: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1303/ 19:18 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10535: by default sort funds by name 19:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10535 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , by default sort funds by name 19:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1304 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:32 jcamins oleonard: do you by any chance know of a site that you think has nice forward/back/return to results buttons that I could imitate? 19:33 oleonard No :( 19:43 oleonard jcamins: With an authority search, the option to choose chronological term, personal name, etc... What would you label that? 19:44 oleonard Authority type? 19:44 wahanui somebody said Authority type was going to be a problem. 19:44 jcamins Yeah, probably. 19:52 oleonard I thought it would probably be more flexible to reorder the authority search form in the OPAC like this: http://www.screencast.com/t/TyUnQd7QpT3Y 19:52 oleonard ...but I'm not sure about the labels 19:52 oleonard "Keyword(s)" must be wrong, since the next option references "keyword" too 19:53 cait oleonard: thx for the patch - and i like the idea for the search form 19:56 rangi bug 9282 19:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9282 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , authorities auto-completion in mainmainentry 19:56 cait morning rangi 19:57 rangi can we change hemain to heman 19:57 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJolYw8tnk 19:57 pianohacker hey rangi 19:57 cait *giggles* 19:57 pianohacker hey cait 19:57 cait hi pianohacker :) 19:57 * cait votes for shera 19:58 cait https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR65P73X5GI 19:58 cait omg that voice. 20:00 rangi hehe 20:01 rangi i wonder if i can get needs signoff back down to 160ish 20:01 rangi and signed off to 65 20:01 rangi thats my goal, depending on what happens at work 20:01 rambutan bugs? 20:01 wahanui bugs is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 20:02 rambutan bugzilla? 20:02 wahanui i heard bugzilla was found at http://bugs.koha-community.org 20:02 rambutan tnaks 20:02 rangi dashboard? 20:02 wahanui dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 20:03 rangi rambutan: ^ thats quite handy 20:03 oleonard Any thoughts about the authority search labels jcamins? 20:03 jcamins oleonard: oh, yeah, I was going to respond when the wifi died then I forgot. 20:03 jcamins What about changing "Keyword(s)" to "Term(s)"? 20:03 oleonard Sounds good to me 20:04 cait rangi: i may be able to help some 20:04 jcamins I think most people know that a term is a word, and it won't make people think they're doing a keyword search when they're not. 20:04 rangi cait++ 20:04 cait hm? 20:05 rambutan wahanui: bug 10240 20:05 wahanui bug 10240 is pretty cool, if I say so myself. 20:05 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB 20:06 rangi it is pretty cool 20:06 rangi i thought i signed that off 20:06 rangi maybe i was dreaming 20:07 jcamins rangi: you did. 20:07 rangi cait: if you sign off magnuses translation thingy of the sql 20:07 jcamins I wrote more patches. 20:07 rangi i will qa it 20:07 cait hm can you give me the bug number again? 20:07 cait i haven't had time to look att he new translation patches lately 20:07 cait sadly 20:07 rangi bug 10509 20:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10509 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Using i18n function for translation in webinstaller mysql files 20:07 oleonard See y'all later 20:07 rangi jcamins: ahh cool will test the new patches 20:07 rangi oleonard: cya 20:08 pianohacker bye oleonard 20:17 rangi ok school run, bbiab 20:19 jcamins Well... this is weird. I have two records with null biblionumbers. 20:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1304: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1304/ 20:39 cait it is weirdindeed 20:57 cait @wunder konstanz 20:57 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.1°C (10:55 PM CEST on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 20:57 cait getting pretty warm here these days 20:57 jcamins @wunder 11375 20:57 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 30.4°C (4:46 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling). 20:58 jcamins The overnight low here is significantly higher than it is in Konstanz. You can have our heat. 20:58 Dyrcona @wunder 01845 20:58 huginn` Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 29.5°C (4:58 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect until 6 PM EDT this evening... 20:59 * jcamins would be happy to send Dyrcona an extra .9 degrees if he'd like it, too. 21:00 rangi back 21:00 jcamins @wunder nzwn 21:00 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on July 12, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 21:00 * jcamins has 20 spare degrees to send to rangi. 21:02 wizzyrea that's chilly 21:02 jcamins wizzyrea: you can share them with rangi. 21:03 wizzyrea :) 21:10 cait jcamins: i think 18 is nice for the night, you can keep it :) 21:12 * jcamins sends it anyway. 21:12 cait pf 21:12 * cait blocks it 21:19 wizzyrea kf - easy one, 10514 is ready :) 21:20 cait hope you are ok with the owen's suggestion? 21:20 wizzyrea don't think I have a choice, do I. ;) 21:20 wizzyrea I just hope it solves the problem 21:20 wizzyrea which is the text is small and no one sees it 21:21 wizzyrea or at least, a nontrivial number of users I've been in contact with miss it 21:22 cait yeah 21:22 cait it's an issue in training 21:23 rangi its an issue 21:23 rangi that it needs training 21:23 cait although i think you probabl yget used to it after doing it for a while 21:23 rangi they shouldnt have too 21:23 wizzyrea ^^ 21:23 rangi every single person cant figure it out 21:23 rangi that means we did it wrong 21:23 cait yep i agree 21:23 wizzyrea "why can't I edit the quantity?" 21:23 rangi yep 21:23 cait it's just not on top of my problme list because at least it works when you know how 21:24 rangi for some definition of works 21:24 rangi acquisitions sux 21:24 pianohacker what's the exact thing under discussion? sorry to butt in 21:24 cait maybe we need to make ti more clear that quantity can't be edited too 21:24 pianohacker oh god acquisitions nvm 21:24 cait figuring it out from 2 sides 21:24 pianohacker you're on your own 21:24 wizzyrea lol. 21:24 rangi it used to be editable 21:24 rangi thats what is worse 21:24 rangi so it confuses old users upgrading too 21:24 wizzyrea it's still editable, i think, if the settings are rignt 21:24 cait rangi: it is editable, when you don#t create items 21:24 cait the problem is telling the system how the acq item has to look like 21:25 rangi im not sure this patch is any better than now 21:25 cait i have no idea so far how to do it in a better way - we could create a defualt item, butthen you would have to update/edit it if you order for another branch 21:25 cait it is setting for creating items on receive and in cataloguing 21:25 cait it's only not when you create items on order 21:25 wizzyrea does the patch do harm? 21:26 cait nope of course not 21:26 cait it's just display 21:26 cait and we still need to fix translatability :) 21:27 wizzyrea ...I did fix the add item link? 21:27 wizzyrea ...I think? 21:27 cait i think i gave you wrong advice on this one :( 21:27 cait was too tired last night i guess 21:28 cait it's been a hell of a week 21:28 wizzyrea ah indeed. 21:28 wizzyrea well you can put this one away for now then 21:28 cait but owen has promised a follow-up 21:28 rangi i think its still too small 21:28 rangi but its better than it was 21:28 rangi id like some text 21:28 rangi right below Item 21:29 rangi (Fill in the following form and click add, to add 1 item to your order, do this as many times as needed) 21:29 rangi because its 2 scrolls from the top of the form to the add buttong 21:35 cait yeah, we are normally using a really short form there 21:35 cait only 5-6 fields, less scrolling 21:36 cait bug 10560 passed qa 21:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , No way to disable english 21:39 wizzyrea out of curiosity, why don't we ship an acq framework? 21:40 cait no special reason i think 21:40 cait maybe because we don't want to maintain another bibliographic framework? 21:40 cait it's a bit horrible in the current state of things 21:40 cait hopeing marcelr can fix that maybe 21:43 gmcharlt hmm, I wonder if there's any reason not to have the default ACQ framework just be a couple of FA 21:45 wizzyrea I like where your head's at 21:47 cait i think it's used to store the bilbiographic data 21:47 cait if you use a fast add 21:47 cait we are going to lose data 21:48 cait if you create orders from z39.50 21:48 cait you won't need that data necessarily for ordering, but you might want to use it for the catalog 21:48 cait hm 21:48 cait not sure maybe i misunderstood FA 21:49 wizzyrea doesn't acquisitions only use the items framework? I honestly don't know 21:49 cait i am not totally sure 21:49 cait it might use default when saving... we'd have to check some orders 21:51 cait hm looking at my database you might be right wizzyrea 21:51 wizzyrea if so it would make some sense to use the FA for the items framework. 21:51 wizzyrea anyway, off to training. ;) 21:51 wizzyrea later 21:52 cait hm i think it needs to be separate 21:52 cait you need barcode in FA but you don't want it in ACQ - doesn't make sense there 21:53 cait more control using a separate framework, ACQ needs are different 21:53 cait also setting on order to -1 by default etc. 21:55 rangi it might make sense in acq too 21:56 rangi you can never underestimate what a library will do 21:56 cait only argueing that there are reasons to keep them different 21:56 rangi yep 21:56 cait more flexibility for 123 :) 21:56 rangi id keep them different 21:56 rangi just ship one that just isnt default :) 21:56 gmcharlt which is why I said "copy of FA" 21:56 gmcharlt (well, actually I said "couple of FA") :) 21:57 * cait feels like she is being difficult tonight 22:14 cait rangi: ok if i copy your suggestion for the text from here on the bug? 22:15 rangi go for it 22:15 cait cool 22:15 cait and with that... i am going to sleep 22:16 cait good night all 22:39 * mtompset tries to wake up. :) 22:40 mtompset I was wondering if my assessment that sudo apt-get koha-deps koha-perldeps makes several files in the install_misc directory obsolete. 22:40 mtompset was correct. 23:26 pianohacker Good night, #koha 23:36 dcook morning #koha 23:45 tcohen hi dcook 23:55 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 23:55 mtompset Just missed greeting dcook, it would seem. 23:55 mtompset let's say I have a book. 23:55 mtompset it's called something '%happy life%' 23:56 mtompset now I have multiple branches with that book. 23:56 mtompset how many biblio records should I have?