Time  Nick          Message
23:33 huginn        gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
23:33 gmcharlt      @later tell pianohacker Template::Plugin::JavaScript looks preferable to me, too
23:32 pianohacker   bye, #koha, have a good weekend
23:30 jcamins       aqualaptop: if you want to send it to me as a git patch I can push it.
23:29 * aqualaptop  goes for walk to collect car
23:29 aqualaptop    works apart from that
23:29 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10545 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , additional test for git bz
23:29 aqualaptop    jcamins: http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/fef44f one fixme, but you can test with bug 10545
22:58 pianohacker   ah, and it has a debian package. lovely
22:55 pianohacker   always best to check with RM :)
22:54 pianohacker   gmcharlt: any opinion?
22:54 pianohacker   'tis cleaner, I agree
22:54 jcamins       I prefer the latter.
22:54 pianohacker   the choice then is writing our own tiny filter, like KohaDates, or adding a dependency on Template::Plugin::JavaScript
22:53 pianohacker   yeah, nothin' for javascript
22:51 jcamins       The docs have a list of all the built-in filters, though.
22:51 jcamins       I'm not sure.
22:51 jcamins       hmmm.
22:51 jcamins       pianohacker: oh.
22:49 pianohacker   jcamins: Not translatable, generated from the database and stored in a JS object for use in client-side stuff
22:49 jcamins       *)
22:49 jcamins       (unless you also have double quotes in that string, in which case you'll need to manually escape the double quotes.
22:49 wizzyrea      ^
22:49 jcamins       pianohacker: all translatable strings should be in double quotes, which should resolve the problem.
22:48 pianohacker   is there a TT way of doing JS-escaping?
22:48 wizzyrea      hehe
22:48 wizzyrea      I admit to not looking at the actual patch, I probably could have fixed that one for you :)
22:48 pianohacker   that's what I get for bypassing the sample holidays :)
22:47 pianohacker   that would explain it! Thanks
22:46 wizzyrea      pianohacker ^
22:46 wizzyrea      or an unescaped one I mean
22:46 wizzyrea      firebug is a lot more helpful
22:46 wizzyrea      new year's day
22:45 wizzyrea      I think you have a quote mismatch in a string
22:43 wizzyrea      let me install firebug - that was the output from the firefox native debugger
22:43 pianohacker   that's... odd. I'll take a look, thanks
22:41 wizzyrea      pianohacker: [10:40:30.340] SyntaxError: missing } after property list @ http://devlibrary-intra.wizzyrea/cgi-bin/koha/tools/calendar.pl:198
22:30 pianohacker   wizzyrea: thanks
22:29 bag           hi wizzyrea
22:29 wizzyrea      pianohacker: I will check sure
22:29 * wizzyrea    waves
22:25 huginn        jcamins: The operation succeeded.
22:25 jcamins       @later tell rangi Could you please check the nginx configuration on bugs? aqualaptop got an error message saying "Your IP (127.0.0.1) has been locked out of this account," and presumably it should list his actual IP.
22:24 jcamins       Yikes. Yeah, looks like it.
22:24 aqualaptop    broken proxy setup?
22:23 aqualaptop    also, "Your IP (127.0.0.1) has been locked out of this account..."
22:23 aqualaptop    heh, forgot to change git bz password, locked my account for 20 min xD
22:11 adam_m        So far Koha is only visible on our domain though.
22:11 adam_m        in that case we don't want the usernames and passwords to be similar. damn ok well maybe I should put some work into getting the OPAC website as well.
22:10 adam_m        Im running a Samba4 but no we arent using SSO for anything. but that does make sense
22:10 jcamins       (because they would use their organization-wide username/password)
22:09 jcamins       In which case it could be a very big deal.
22:09 jcamins       unless you are using a centralized LDAP server.
22:09 jcamins       Well...
22:08 adam_m        im trying to keep this clean of any sort of student information anyways. should just be a username I choose for each person and whatever password they decide on
22:08 jcamins       Nope.
22:08 adam_m        thats what i figured. that shouldnt be too big of a deal.
22:08 adam_m        right ok yeah
22:08 jcamins       So, usernames, passwords, etc., can all be sniffed.
22:07 jcamins       adam_m: it means anything transmitted between the client and server in the course of an OPAC session is transmitted in plaintext.
22:07 adam_m        I mean i guess you can have MITM
22:06 adam_m        Hello, So I have ssl working on the administrator Koha webpage, but I notice that you cant seem to have them both doing it at once. what are the implications though of having the OPAC website not using SSL
21:34 pianohacker   good night cait
21:34 aqualaptop    night
21:33 cait          good night all :)
21:33 aqualaptop    eeepc, 7" edition :P
21:33 * aqualaptop  should really not use my laptop and actually sit at my desk xD
21:32 aqualaptop    awesomesauce
21:32 jcamins       aqualaptop: not at all. Just give them subjects like "additional git-bz testing bug."
21:32 aqualaptop    btw, do ppl mind if i create a few *testing* bugs on the tracker to test git bz changes?
21:31 aqualaptop    hey* rather
21:31 aqualaptop    he cjh
21:31 aqualaptop    yup, looks like i can do something similar to the patch complexities patch i pushed through
21:31 cjh           hey aqualaptop
21:20 aqualaptop    swt, i'm all good
21:20 aqualaptop    git://git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git fishsoup is what i'm on atm
21:20 jcamins       http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=git-bz.git;a=summary - branch fishsoup
21:19 aqualaptop    jcamins: can you point me to the latest git repo for git bz, and which branch, iirc there was a few to choose from back in january
21:17 aqualaptop    and voila
21:17 aqualaptop    and parse all those commit msg's
21:16 aqualaptop    and log to that base
21:16 aqualaptop    find merge-base HEAD origin/master
21:16 aqualaptop    though it is possible with git commands
21:16 aqualaptop    yeh, thinking a depends header/footer could be better
21:15 pianohacker   Hmmmm, parsing the git tree automatically could be tricky
21:14 aqualaptop    which shows deps
21:14 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9412 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , add optional_params to C4::Service
21:14 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4439 minor, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , two acq webservices should use C4::Service
21:14 aqualaptop    * 3ec0af6 (bug_9412) bug 9412 Add optional_params sub to C4::Service
21:14 aqualaptop    * 517ae9b (HEAD, bug_4439) bug 4439 Change some helper files to use C4::Service
21:14 aqualaptop    for example, my git log --oneline --decorate --graph looks like this
21:14 aqualaptop    could either parse the commit message, or take into account the git tree
21:13 pianohacker   You have something in mind like automatically parsing a 'Depends:' line in the commit message?
21:13 jcamins       :D
21:12 aqualaptop    stormy weather patches ftw :D
21:12 aqualaptop    yeh, i think i did something similar back in jan, so can have a look at it
21:12 jcamins       Even if you don't know how to, it would be a great enhancement.
21:12 jcamins       aqualaptop: if you know how to update that, I think it would be a *great* enhancement.
21:11 aqualaptop    as that is what i used, and didn't even check the BZ page
21:11 aqualaptop    cait: yup, I've done that now, just thought it would be nice if git bz does it automatically
21:11 aqualaptop    we gave #200 to a student, which I think is more fitting
21:10 pianohacker   very nice
21:10 cait          aqua: you can also note in bugzilla using the depends field
21:10 aqualaptop    i think i made developer #199!
21:10 pianohacker   aqualaptop++ # by association :)
21:10 aqualaptop    was working for the catalyst academy at start of year, and did some koha patches
21:10 aqualaptop    pianohacker: haha, i'm not actually using it, i just noticed that there could of been issues
21:09 * pianohacker is glad to see people using C4::Service
21:09 pianohacker   yay!
21:09 aqualaptop    though i think in bug 4439 i mentioned the dependency in the commit message, maybe if we got a way to detect a line in the commit message and used that to build deps?
21:08 aqualaptop    yeh, i've just come from projects that use gerrit for code review, which understands the concept of deps as it is just git underlying, whereas this will use static patches so doesn't understand it on upload
21:07 jcamins       Yeah, we were discussing how nice it would be if it understood dependencies.
21:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9412 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , add optional_params to C4::Service
21:07 wahanui       bug 9412 is self-signed.
21:07 aqualaptop    bug 9412
21:07 aqualaptop    would you agree that could be a bug?
21:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4439 minor, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , two acq webservices should use C4::Service
21:07 aqualaptop    ah right, i can prob go and do a patch now, the bug was that I had a bug (9412) which was below a commit i had for bug 4439, and when i pushed up the patch for bug 4439, it didn't update the dependency graph, which I kindof assumed it would
21:06 jcamins       rangi updated Bugzilla.
21:06 jcamins       If the bug is that git-bz isn't working for you, you need to get the latest version.
21:05 jcamins       If there's a patch, you e-mail it to someone with push access, and we push it.
21:05 aqualaptop    hey jcamins
21:05 jcamins       aqualaptop: there isn't really a process.
21:05 aqualaptop    if i'm not round, mention aquaman and I'll see it on monday
21:05 aqualaptop    hey, whats the process of reporting bugs in git bz again? did it a while ago, and my saturday morning search foo is failing
20:51 druthb        lol
20:51 cait          he is so skilled with words
20:51 wahanui       i heard Myshkin was more than articulate enough without me performing his interior monologue.
20:51 druthb        wahanui:  Myshkin?
20:51 druthb        hm.
20:51 cait          :)
20:51 cait          . myshkin
20:51 druthb        Hi, Myshkin!
20:51 jcamins       Or ".", as the case may be.
20:51 jcamins       Myshkin says hi.
20:51 jcamins       .
20:51 jcamins       lol
20:49 druthb        After that was like trying to read the Silmarillion.  Backwards.
20:48 druthb        I got up to God Emperor, and liked the story there, but after that, no.
20:48 cait          i even wrote something about it in library school for one of my courses
20:48 jcamins       Me too.
20:48 cait          but i like the first
20:48 cait          yeah, stopped reading them
20:48 jcamins       I didn't like the sequels much.
20:47 * druthb      is in an ornery mood this afternoon.  beware.
20:46 wahanui       okay, druthb.
20:46 druthb        wahanui:  pianohacker is also a Dune fan, it seems.
20:44 druthb        the *other* thing I'm bringing a bunch of to KohaCon.
20:44 cait          pianohacker: yeah someone should be - i have given up for today
20:44 pianohacker   and tries to ignore the facedancer bot
20:44 druthb        pixiesnax! :)
20:44 wahanui       :)
20:44 cait          wahanui botsnack thatpixiesomethingruthmakes
20:44 * pianohacker goes back to being productive
20:44 cait          botsnack pixiesnack
20:44 wahanui       druthb: excuse me?
20:44 druthb        wahanui:  be bag
20:43 pianohacker   bahahahaha wow
20:43 wahanui       Look at me! I'm a bot! Beep beep! Boop boop!
20:43 druthb        wahanui:  be wahanui
20:43 wahanui       Have some fudge.
20:43 jcamins       wahanui: be jcamins
20:43 cait          hehe
20:43 wahanui       hmpf.
20:43 jcamins       wahanui: be cait
20:43 cait          hehe
20:43 druthb        oh!  Be.
20:43 wahanui       hmpf.
20:43 cait          wahanui: be me
20:43 wahanui       Harrumph!
20:43 jcamins       wahanui: be druthb
20:43 cait          be me
20:43 wahanui       druthb: sorry...
20:43 druthb        wahanui:  become me
20:43 jcamins       druthb: I hadn't seen that one before.
20:43 wahanui       I LIKE BASEBALL
20:43 bag           bag?
20:43 wahanui       I HATE XML
20:43 pianohacker   me?
20:43 wahanui       Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
20:43 druthb        me?
20:42 wahanui       I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
20:42 druthb        ooh.
20:42 bag           NateC?
20:42 wahanui       i think jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
20:42 jcamins       I?
20:42 cait          hehe
20:42 wahanui       hmmm... cait is counting on magnuse here a little bit...
20:42 cait          me?
20:42 wahanui       you are brilliant
20:42 jcamins       me?
20:42 wahanui       'scuse me while I cue up "Hail to the Chief!"
20:42 druthb        wahanui:  jcamins?
20:42 wahanui       you are, like, qam, not your secretary
20:42 cait          cait?
20:42 wahanui       go back to bed, cait.
20:42 cait          cait?
20:42 cait          :)
20:42 wahanui       I HATE XML
20:42 cait          pianohacker
20:42 cait          so maybe that will balance out... somehow
20:42 pianohacker   oh cool, I didn't know wahanui was smart enough to do that
20:42 wahanui       Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
20:42 druthb        wahanui:  druthb?
20:42 cait          bag: excellent!
20:41 bag           cait Sonja and I always do make your own pizza on friday nights - so yes we are having pizza tonight
20:41 wahanui       well, cait is counting on magnuse here a little bit...
20:41 jcamins       cait?
20:41 wahanui       go back to bed, cait.
20:41 jcamins       cait?
20:41 pianohacker   i
20:41 wahanui       thanks druthb :)
20:41 jcamins       cait: magnuse is at a wedding. He had pizza yesterday.
20:41 druthb        wahanui:  botsnack cookie
20:41 druthb        lol
20:41 wahanui       okay, cait.
20:41 cait          and i am also counting on magnuse here a little bit...
20:41 druthb        imma hoping to crank up the lathe some this weekend.  I'm hoping to bring about 150 items with me.
20:41 cait          pianohacker: that would totally count
20:40 * druthb      is working on being the only KohaCon sponsor who can actually manage to *make sales* at the conference, and have the customer go home with product in hand.
20:40 pianohacker   that count?
20:40 pianohacker   crap. I'm the college student, I can order some domino's or something
20:40 cait          it's friday!
20:40 cait          ok, that's very very wrong
20:40 jcamins       Too hot.
20:40 jcamins       Nope.
20:40 * cait        does a friday sanity check
20:40 druthb        nope nope nope.
20:40 cait          is anyone having pizza tonight?
20:40 cait          ok
20:39 * druthb      makes silly faces at bag, and goes to make a margarita.
20:39 pianohacker   It makes jokes easier to convey over IRC :)
20:39 * pianohacker gives druthb his emergency tequila
20:38 bag           pianohacker: be respectful too all - like you always have been - who knows what druthb is saying right now :)
20:38 druthb        Respectful to bag?  pshaw.
20:38 druthb        poor nickserv.  It's having a nervous breakdown on me in another window.
20:37 cait          ok, i was actually too tired anyway, going to do some tomorrow
20:37 pianohacker   aw, hell
20:37 pianohacker   wait, I'm beginning to get the impression I was supposed to be respectful to bag to begin with
20:37 confused      no, cait, *I'm* confused.
20:37 cait          :P
20:37 cait          you all get no qa from me today.
20:37 * cait        is confused now
20:37 bag           pick on me all you want - I can hang
20:36 * pianohacker picks on druthb for picking on me for picking on cait
20:36 bag           I don't think pianohacker was picking on cait
20:36 druthb        pick on bag all you want; it's just a paycheck, after all.
20:35 * pianohacker says three hail MARCs
20:35 cait          oh right
20:35 pianohacker   oh goodness, my apologies
20:35 druthb        tellin' you to take silliness elsewhere.
20:35 cait          might be too tired from this week to notice
20:35 cait          he did pick?
20:35 cait          huh?
20:35 druthb        youngling, we don't pick on Saint Cait around here.
20:34 * druthb      wields pointy stick, and takes aim at pianohacker.
20:31 pianohacker   pretty much. it's all dublin-core-ish-kind-of, but t'would be nice if they'd just say so :)
20:31 bag           yeah pianohacker they all have their own methods I guess
20:31 pianohacker   well, you'd better take that to another channel. Here in #koha, we mean serious business!
20:31 bag           :)
20:30 cait          :)
20:30 cait          sorry, feeling friday silly
20:30 pianohacker   color of royalty and all that
20:30 cait          :)
20:30 pianohacker   true true
20:30 cait          os maybe a purple pony would be another option?
20:30 * cait        thinks
20:30 cait          very good reason!
20:30 pianohacker   alliteration
20:29 cait          why pink?
20:28 pianohacker   actually, sorry, the pony's much easier to achieve than Perl 6
20:28 * pianohacker wishes ebook providers used a standard metadata format, and Perl 6 was stable, and that he had a pretty pink pony
19:48 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1293: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1293/
18:33 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1293 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:33 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10390 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add ability to delete unused invoices
18:33 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10317 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Parcel should display a message when called with an nonexistent invoiceid
18:32 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10384 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Software error when LDAP connexion fails
18:32 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 10390: (follow-up) correct description of a test
18:32 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9533 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , batch item modification should ignore defaults
18:32 jenkins_koha  * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10390: Add ability to delete empty invoices
18:32 jenkins_koha  * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10317: improve display when order receiving page is given an invalid invoiceid
18:32 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10384: fall back to normal authentication if LDAP server is not available
18:32 jenkins_koha  * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9533: batch item modification form now shows default field values only by request
18:32 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1292: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1292/
18:05 cait          probably not helpful :)
18:05 cait          someone who didn't know better?
17:53 pianohacker   what kind of asshat puts latin-1 in a META.yml in 2013? <grumble>
17:24 pianohacker   already installed
17:23 jcamins       Maybe build-essentials, or one of those others?
17:23 pianohacker   and the fact that it's missing seems important, as dh-make-perl vomits out 6 errors and fails after that
17:23 jcamins       I don't think it was MakeMaker that was missing.
17:23 pianohacker   jcamins: Okay, at least I'm not the only one. What's confusing me is that that module seems to be a core module
17:22 jcamins       pianohacker: yes. There was a package missing, but I don't remember which one.
17:21 pianohacker   Has anyone using dh-make-perl seen an error trying to require ExtUtils::MakeMaker?
17:18 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1292 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:16 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9113 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , batch modification removes +
17:16 jenkins_koha  Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9113: fix handling of certain characters by item batch modification tool
17:16 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1291: SUCCESS in 1 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1291/
17:08 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10390: (follow-up) correct description of a test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37b3ac65e1dd363db8cc12793980a273b8cc09f4> / Bug 10390: Add ability to delete empty invoices <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d02e2789e567158b30ad237d5efd864247dd4ead>
16:55 gerundio      thanks for all your help
16:55 gerundio      so I'll ask them to try and reproduce whatever they were doing with this record
16:55 gerundio      I looked into the DB and found the biblionumber associated with that subscription
16:54 gerundio      the librarians mentioned they were cataloging serials (is this the correct term?)
16:49 drojf         then you got something to try again :)
16:48 gerundio      coincidence or not, the previous outage happened with the same request
16:48 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10317: improve display when order receiving page is given an invalid invoiceid <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d932f6ff250c3a50db379b23abfc40a77620e94b>
16:45 gerundio      the last request before the outage was "/cgi-bin/koha/serials/serials-collection.pl?op=gennext&subscriptionid=33"
16:45 gerundio      in the meantime I looked into the apache access logs
16:44 gerundio      ok, so the Koha VM as been isolated so we can check for memory issues
16:39 * drojf       has no idea how VM software manages the RAM stuff internally
16:39 gerundio      anyways, let me check with my colleagues who manage the VMs
16:39 drojf         hi cait
16:39 drojf         and you allocated different areas of your RAM to them, i suppose.
16:38 * cait        waves
16:38 gerundio      drojf, we have many VM on that HW working without problems
16:37 gerundio      btw, rambutan 2GB of swap space
16:37 drojf         gerundio: but then there must be RAM in the host. which of course can also go bad
16:36 gerundio      of ^^
16:36 gerundio      but after seeying the values or memory usage
16:36 gerundio      my 1st thought was also "1GB RAM is short"
16:35 gerundio      we have all servers virtualized
16:35 gerundio      drojf, virtual machines
16:34 drojf         i'd also go for memtest. if that suddenly started happening your RAM might be bad
16:32 rambutan      how much swap space do you have?
16:32 rambutan      any way to add ram? if you can arrange some downtime you might also run memtest86
16:31 gerundio      so I would really say that memory is the problem
16:31 wahanui       rumour has it really is off now
16:31 rambutan      really?
16:31 gerundio      memory usage runs at 10%
16:31 gerundio      happening right now
16:31 rambutan      ah, that seems to be a bit light
16:31 gerundio      2nd outage today
16:31 gerundio      speaking of which
16:30 gerundio      1 GB
16:30 rambutan      how much RAM is installed?
16:29 gerundio      after restarting it we checked the logs and nothing there :|
16:29 gerundio      rambutan, the server is unreachable via terminal, so I can't really run any command at that time
16:28 rambutan      gerundio: have you checked both the koha and system logs? does running "top" show anything? how about 'free"?
16:28 gerundio      btw, apache logs and syslog don't show any entries regarding these errors
16:26 huginn        oleonard: The operation succeeded.
16:26 oleonard      @later tell khall Ping me when you get a moment
16:24 gerundio      drojf, do you have any idea how to debug this kind of issues?
16:24 gerundio      but I wasn't able to pin point the source of the problem
16:23 gerundio      in 6 months running Koha
16:23 gerundio      this only happened in 3 ocasions so far
16:23 gerundio      the weird thing is that this totally messes up the server and requires us to restart it
16:22 gerundio      from memory I'd say that's the only 3rd party service we have enabled
16:22 gerundio      we do have Google Books cover integration active
16:21 drojf         yes, i thought if it is on the detail page maybe something like covers or social networks is broken due to changes on the other side
16:21 gerundio      such as covers from Google Books?
16:20 drojf         hm ok that is like half of koha
16:20 drojf         do you have third party services enabled?
16:20 gerundio      but I have ocurrences from "circulation.pl", "mainpage.pl" and "members-home.pl"
16:20 gerundio      the errors refer mostly to "detail.pl"
16:19 gerundio      googled around a bit, but couldn't find any particular useful piece of information about it
16:19 gerundio      been experiencing some "Out of memory" errors with Apache/Koha processes
16:19 drojf         hi gerundio
16:18 gerundio      hi everyone
16:18 drojf         C4/ILSDI/Services.pm produces XML in ISO-8859-1
16:18 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10384: fall back to normal authentication if LDAP server is not available <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=96ac578960cb4f2c5a964b3ac7fa4f9ba676b95d> / Bug 9533: batch item modification form now shows default field values only by request <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d32ab38148f7d75412a36e928dea799717bc5fb>
16:03 drojf         ok. thanks for the clarification gmcharlt
16:02 gmcharlt      of course, you can always add a web service that handles checkouts
16:02 gmcharlt      right, the focus of the task force was effectively interaction between ILSs and discovery interfaces
16:01 drojf         i suppose self checkout was not considered something like that in 2008?
16:01 gmcharlt      the patron services part of the recommendation focuses on services that a patron could do completely without library (or librarian) mediation
16:00 gmcharlt      drojf: correct, checkout is not one of the defined abstract functions of the ILS-DI recommendation
15:57 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1291 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:57 drojf         which in return means if i'd like to do checkouts from outside of koha the only way is SIP2?
15:56 drojf         do i understand it correctly that ILS-DI is not supposed to do checkouts, just renewals?
15:53 tcohen        lucky you eythian!
15:53 eythian       beer o'clock now.
15:46 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9113: fix handling of certain characters by item batch modification tool <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0397e7ea64c208c140d7178ed34c3bd4b266fcfb>
15:35 kf            every time i see one of my patches going into koha it makes me smile :)
15:35 kf            :)
15:32 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5894 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Adding multiple items from a cart to a list shows only the first title
15:32 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10474 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Translate some missed English strings in German sample notices
15:32 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10431 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Spanish Zebra language definition file
15:32 jenkins_koha  * Marc Veron: Bug 5894: Display all titles when confirming copy of items from cart to list
15:32 jenkins_koha  * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10474: Translate some English strings in German sample notices
15:32 jenkins_koha  * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10431 - Redundant mappings removed
15:32 jenkins_koha  * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10431 - Spanish Zebra character sorting file
15:32 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1290: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1290/
15:26 eythian       docs for APIs should really be generated from internal API specifications.
15:25 drojf         "the date the patron would like the item returned by" … as if they could decide that :P
15:25 kf            there was something for authentication too i noticed
15:25 kf            the docs are not 100% accurate
15:24 eythian       perhaps it's an error
15:23 drojf         why does it say 'desired_due_date (Required)' for ILS-DI RenewLoan when it is left out in the example (hence does not seem to be required)?
15:14 reiveune      bye
15:10 kf            true :)
15:10 drojf         oh, i forgot how mean he is ;) but he also made a nice wiki page about koha apis and protocols supported by koha
15:09 * druthb      hides from magnuse
15:08 druthb        !
15:05 drojf         magnuse++
14:45 oleonard      ...before I try it myself? :)
14:42 oleonard      khall: Was there a reason why you didn't use the borrower_debarments.inc include in memberentrygen.tt?
14:41 adam_m        thanks
14:40 eythian       yeah, that'll do the trick.
14:40 adam_m        Ill just look at using ssl with apache then
14:39 adam_m        ok, thats fine, I was just wondering If anyone had anything specific. I've never done any web design or anything like that.
14:38 eythian       We tend to run our systems like that.
14:37 eythian       I'm not sure of a tutorial, but in general you just set it up like you would any other ssl site.
14:34 adam_m        Hello, Does anyone know if there happens to be a tutorial on using SSL with Koha?
14:33 jcamins       At least, that's been my experience.
14:33 kf            jcamins: hm ok
14:32 jcamins       kf: nah, it's just for sorting so it actually helps... but it tends to lead to people having customized configurations that confuse the heck out of them when they go back to upgrade.
14:32 * kf          dislikes stop words
14:32 kf            i think it would mess up with searching "the the"?
14:31 jcamins       For the record, I recommend against using that feature.
14:31 tcohen        i'm *almost* sure about it heh
14:30 tcohen        hm?
14:29 kf            tcohen: intersting about stop words in zebra
14:18 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1290 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:11 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5894: Display all titles when confirming copy of items from cart to list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bed99a851646fd0c7a4c906dd9dfe60c485b40c6>
14:05 khall         oleonard: new patch is up now
14:03 khall         use Koha::DateUtils
14:02 oleonard      What does it need? I'll add it for my tests without waiting for a new patch
14:01 khall         oleonard: I'll take a look, I forgot the use line
14:01 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10474: Translate some English strings in German sample notices <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aecb163f69b238314bbd67215ce2d8950aeab060> / Bug 10431 - Redundant mappings removed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=82e1b227943393c33dbec903a7287c49b593424c> / Bug 10431 - Spanish Zebra character sorting file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=co
14:01 oleonard      khall: I'm getting an error when I try to run overdue_notices.pl: "Undefined subroutine &main::dt_from_string called at overdue_notices.pl line 519."
13:59 jcamins       Well, eventually it needs to create its own records anyway.
13:58 khall         good question, no ideas though
13:58 jcamins       I wonder why the SKIP works on my computer and not yours.
13:58 khall         1..7
13:58 khall         ok 7 - No invalid record is retrieved
13:58 khall         ok 6 - Retrieved correct record
13:58 khall         ok 5 - Object authid is correct
13:58 khall         ok 4 - Retrieved valid Koha::Authority object
13:58 khall         ok 3 - Saved record
13:58 khall         ok 2 - Created valid Koha::Authority object
13:58 khall         ok 1 - use Koha::Authority;
13:58 khall         perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t
13:57 jcamins       Okay.
13:57 khall         yup, that fixes it
13:56 jcamins       Just to see if it fixes it?
13:56 jcamins       Try creating an authority?
13:56 jcamins       ...
13:56 khall         same deal, so it's not your patch
13:56 khall         # Tests were run but no plan was declared and done_testing() was not seen.
13:56 khall         Modification of a read-only value attempted at t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t line 51.
13:56 khall         ok 3 - Saved record
13:56 khall         ok 2 - Created valid Koha::Authority object
13:56 khall         ok 1 - use Koha::Authority;
13:56 khall         perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t
13:56 khall         on master:
13:56 khall         ahh, I see. I thought it might have to do the the test skipping.
13:56 jcamins       And it passed before 9755?
13:55 jcamins       But apparently it's crashing before it gets there.
13:55 jcamins       Yeah, because it uses done_testing.
13:54 khall         One thing I notices was that the number of tests is not specified
13:54 jcamins       ... weird.
13:54 jcamins       Modification of a read-only value?
13:54 khall         # Tests were run but no plan was declared and done_testing() was not seen.
13:54 khall         Modification of a read-only value attempted at t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t line 51.
13:54 khall         ok 3 - Saved record
13:54 khall         ok 2 - Created valid Koha::Authority object
13:54 khall         ok 1 - use Koha::Authority;
13:54 khall         perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t
13:54 jcamins       If you run `perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t` what output do you get?
13:53 khall         I don't have any authorities set up, so I thought that might be why though
13:53 jcamins       khall: hm. I'll take a look.
13:53 jcamins       Apparently J-ISIS is Windows-only. Why don't you just write your program in something native if you're going to write a Windows-only program?
13:53 khall         Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output
13:53 khall         Non-zero exit status: 255
13:53 khall         t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t (Wstat: 65280 Tests: 3 Failed: 0)
13:53 khall         -------------------
13:53 khall         Test Summary Report
13:53 khall         All 3 subtests passed
13:53 khall         t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t .. Dubious, test returned 255 (wstat 65280, 0xff00)
13:52 khall         jcamins: For 9755 Koha_Authority.t fails for me
13:52 jcamins       Wow... someone entirely missed the point of Java.
13:51 jajm          oh i will try to rebase 8064
13:51 jcamins       Oh. Okay. I did not touch 8064.
13:51 khall         in 8064 after 9755 is applied
13:51 * jcamins     thought he just rebased it.
13:50 jcamins       khall: in 9755?
13:50 khall         I'm afraid it appears that there is a rather large merge conflict that needs to be taken care of
13:49 khall         yeah, that would be a great feature.
13:49 jajm          khall, this happens to me quite often too, maybe a patch to git-bz could prevent that
13:45 khall         jajm: I did not notices the dependency bug. I imagine that's my issue
13:45 khall         np!
13:44 oleonard      khall: Testing 2720 again now. Thanks for the new patch.
13:44 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8064 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Merge several biblio records
13:44 jajm          khall, could you have another look on Bug 8064, plz ? :)
13:43 oleonard      Bye wizzyrea
13:42 wizzyrea      have a happy friday :)
13:42 wizzyrea      and with that I good night you.
13:41 wizzyrea      it may be late, but sometimes... just sometimes... this is how I feel about MARC: http://www.xkcd.com/1209/
13:38 khall         excellent!
13:36 kf            khall: I can't find it now... you are safe ;)
13:34 wizzyrea      http://www.xkcd.com/1228/
13:31 wahanui       hmmm... bug number is wrong in the subject.
13:31 khall         kf: what bug number?
13:30 eythian       http://nieuws.klm.com/ook-comicsansdag-bij-klm/ <-- "Vandaag is het weer Comic Sans Dag" ... http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007
13:26 kf            hm maybe that's gone from the list already
13:25 kf            tried catching you about that for a while now :P
13:25 kf            khall: there is an ldap patch i woud love someone to look at
13:25 kf            hi tcohen :)
13:24 * khall       goes back to signing-off mode
13:23 wizzyrea      hehe
13:22 khall         Here's a problem I never thought I'd have: I can't qa anything because almost everything that needs qa'ed is either written by me or signed-off by me!
13:22 druthb        o/
13:22 khall         np!
13:22 tcohen        thanks
13:21 tcohen        khall++
13:17 tcohen        hi kf
13:17 Dyrcona       Hi, kf!
13:16 kf            hi Dyrcona
13:16 kf            tsk :)
13:16 wizzyrea      mmmm 1am :)
13:16 tcohen        hi wizzyrea, awake so late/soon?
13:16 wizzyrea      \o/
13:15 eythian       appropriate reply :)
13:15 wizzyrea      hrmph.
13:15 eythian       go to bed wizzyrea
13:15 wizzyrea      or sunday.
13:15 wizzyrea      well possibly not tomorrow
13:14 * wizzyrea    will try to remember to fetch & rebase every day
13:13 wizzyrea      but it is certainly for testing
13:13 wizzyrea      it's not official
13:12 kf            is ther an official "testing opac" now? I saw the link earlier
13:12 * kf          writes herself an email reminder :)
13:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned
13:12 * oleonard    has to switch gears and test Bug 2720
13:12 oleonard      Yes thanks kf
13:11 kf            i can do that tomorrow from the logs :)
13:11 kf            oleonard: do you want me to add my comments from yesterday about authority search?
13:11 drojf         the order in the search form differs between the start screen and the login screen. on start i have the search field on top, on the login screen i have the catalog dropdown on top. also the login form is visible on the start page already so technically it would make sense to use an anchor instead of loading a new page to log in but that would probably destroy the functionality in regular view?
13:11 oleonard      Please do one of those things because if you just mention it here I'll forget your comment
13:10 oleonard      Or email me directly
13:10 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
13:10 oleonard      Or comment on Bug 10309
13:10 wizzyrea      so you can fix too :)
13:10 * wizzyrea    reminds people that oleonard has published his branch on gitorious
13:10 * Viktor      stating the obvious to people who already know.. :)
13:09 Viktor        Icons requires standardization and only really work well in an OS
13:09 oleonard      I've been hacking on that without success so far
13:09 oleonard      Viktor: Yeah, those controls are still problematic
13:08 Viktor        The only thing that bothers me with the visual look is the icons for highlight, place hold and tag.
13:08 * oleonard    has on his list to see if the Cart would work better as a modal window rather than a popup, especially for mobile
13:08 kf            Viktor: yeah, but i think it's still not done everywhere... slow process
13:07 oleonard      wizzyrea: Yeah, that's a clear choice having tested it in a touch interface
13:07 Viktor        kf I like that :)
13:06 wizzyrea      as in it flashes when you touch it
13:06 wizzyrea      it's... flashing. Not flash, but flashy.
13:06 kf            and it's certainly a good chance to make things better :)
13:06 kf            for public instutions
13:06 wizzyrea      yea, I agree with slef - the cart link should work like the list link does
13:06 kf            here :)
13:06 kf            Viktor: not only a selling point here... required by law actually...
13:05 wizzyrea      those bootstrap icons are pretty cool, and enough of a universal now that people know what they mean
13:04 Viktor        Just popping to say that the new theme looks great. And I do love accessibility (and it's even a selling point over here)
13:04 * oleonard    does not know what kind of networking magic would be required to make his VM accessible on his phone
13:03 * wizzyrea    is happy to help
13:03 wizzyrea      \o/
13:03 * oleonard    is seeing it for the first time on a phone too
13:03 oleonard      Okay, yeah that's weird.
13:03 drojf         the silver/grey background of "advanced search" etc. extends to the right and bottom
13:02 wizzyrea      just the margin on the right I think
13:02 wizzyrea      not up and down
13:02 wizzyrea      like, if you are looking at it on your phone, you can rub back and forth and it's wibbly
13:02 kf            oleonard++ :)
13:01 oleonard      Where?
13:01 wizzyrea      just a skosh too wide
13:01 wizzyrea      oh yea, it doesn't quiiiite fit my phone
13:00 * wizzyrea    had to do some git gymnastics just now because she DID IT WRONG. :)
13:00 drojf         it has a margin/padding/whatever these css things are on the right and bottom which makes it a little wobbly when scrolling
13:00 wizzyrea      yay mine too!
12:59 wizzyrea      ok sorry how about now?
12:58 slef          oleonard: I'd like that.
12:58 drojf         oleonard++
12:58 drojf         yay it's responsive now on my phone
12:58 slef          oleonard: seems odd to have neighbouring buttons behave differently, no?
12:57 oleonard      It certainly could
12:57 slef          oleonard: could it behave like the Lists and be click-on/click-off?
12:57 kf            lol wahanui
12:57 wahanui       okay, kf.
12:57 kf            slef: i am also very interested in accessibility
12:57 oleonard      slef: The behavior of the cart popup doesn't change based on what is in it
12:56 slef          it'd be nice for the pop-up to show details, or clicking the pop-up to open the cart
12:56 slef          now I've got same behaviour with a message "[???]s in your cart: 1"
12:55 slef          ok thought you'd know
12:55 wizzyrea      yea I messed up :)
12:55 slef          http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-basket.pl?bib_list=2/ shows merge markers
12:55 slef          oleonard: sure, when I get spare time.
12:54 slef          wizzyrea: same thing happens with something in my cart. Message now seems to be "[obscured] has been added to your cart"
12:54 oleonard      slef: That was a LONG time ago now. Please comment on accessibility things!
12:54 slef          [off] oleonard: probably.  I sort of gave up commenting on minor accessibility things like that when kados told me to STFU, as our client librarians are currently all able-bodied and I've not enough time to do it myself, but this change seems like an opportunity to sneak some fixes in.
12:53 wizzyrea      yep doing now
12:53 oleonard      Okay wizzyrea could you try that again?
12:51 slef          yep, same happens when there's something in my cart
12:51 oleonard      slef: Isn't it the same in the old theme slef?
12:51 * wizzyrea    thinks oleonard is working on it :)
12:51 drojf         still not responsive for me on the phone
12:51 wizzyrea      ahhhh yep sensible
12:51 slef          else I have to hunt for it
12:51 slef          it's below, but my eyesight is bad so my pointer is big...
12:50 wizzyrea      hm, in firefox it's below the black bar, my mouse isn't over any of the text
12:50 slef          why? I only want to move my pointer down so it's not hiding part of the text in the pop-up!
12:50 wizzyrea      all the popup says is "there's nothing in your cart"
12:49 slef          wizzyrea: not tried that yet
12:49 wizzyrea      because if there's nothing that's working as intended
12:49 wizzyrea      slef, even if there's something in your cart?
12:49 slef          there's a pop-up appears when I go over "Cart", but it vanishes as soon as I try to move onto the pop-up :-/
12:48 wizzyrea      ah ok :)
12:48 wizzyrea      phone*
12:48 wizzyrea      but still not doing what it feels like it should responsively on my phoen
12:48 oleonard      Dammit I updated the wrong file, sorry.
12:48 slef          neither happens in iceweasel
12:48 slef          the login and password boxes are overlapping the right edge of the box beneath it in midori too
12:47 wizzyrea      well it's different now anyway
12:47 slef          does that happen in other webkit browsers?
12:47 wizzyrea      ok should be updated
12:47 slef          odd problem in midori - the text in the two drop-downs in Search has its descenders cut off
12:46 wizzyrea      but prooooobably don't want that coming up on the dashboard or on bugzilla. >.>
12:46 slef          if we could make the main body background white, the main text black and the mid-grey lines a bit darker grey, it would help
12:46 * wizzyrea    would quote add that
12:46 oleonard      People are assholes.
12:45 slef          "people" often ignore visually-impaired users, sadly
12:45 jcamins       The first thing I do with CCSR is generally change the colors.
12:45 oleonard      slef: It's not what I would choose for myself either, but people seem to like ccsr for looking more modern
12:44 slef          I don't remember looking at ccsr
12:44 oleonard      slef: I based the color scheme on ccsr
12:44 slef          mid-grey on light grey is painful to me, insufficient contrast
12:44 wizzyrea      sec oleonard
12:44 wizzyrea      well more the fonts and such
12:44 oleonard      wizzyrea: Update pushed with the meta tag added.
12:44 slef          wizzyrea: really? I assumed the colours yet to be sorted out.
12:43 wizzyrea      Really pretty
12:43 wizzyrea      it looks so flash!
12:43 slef          opening in midori
12:43 slef          seems to behave reasonaly well zooming in iceweasel
12:42 drojf         it's nicely responsive in firefox nightly responsive mode in the size of my phone
12:41 wizzyrea      (that's literally the first time I've seen it, is just now)
12:40 wizzyrea      (chrome)
12:40 jcamins       <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0" />
12:40 wizzyrea      it's the same on my android as well
12:39 drojf         oleonard: i get the normal view on a 320x480 (or something like that) firefoxos phone too
12:39 oleonard      I guess not jcamins
12:39 oleonard      It may be an iPhone "retina" resolution thing
12:39 jcamins       oleonard: did you do the scaling command?
12:38 wizzyrea      it sizes down in the browser window ok
12:38 tcohen        morning
12:38 oleonard      Hm, well that's a huge fail. No narrow layout on my phone.
12:37 wizzyrea      cjh++ #again. For gitify.
12:37 wizzyrea      so I can pull in your changes anytime, just drop me an email
12:37 wizzyrea      nothing fancy schmancy
12:37 wizzyrea      and that is actually connected to your git branch
12:36 * oleonard    pulls out his phone
12:36 oleonard      Oooh, yay!
12:36 wizzyrea      it might have some strange settings set
12:36 wizzyrea      is the bootstrap theme, if you want to poke at it
12:35 wizzyrea      [off] http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz
12:35 wizzyrea      by 35 mins
12:35 wizzyrea      well saturday morning
12:34 wizzyrea      but it's friday
12:34 wizzyrea      hmmm yes
12:34 jcamins       wizzyrea: isn't it a bit late for you?
12:34 * wizzyrea    goes to happily test it
12:34 oleonard      If that's the biggest problem you found then I'm winning so far
12:34 wizzyrea      oleonard++
12:33 wizzyrea      ...also it probably helps having the files readable by the proper user, which I didn't think of until I asked you my question. But I still wouldn't have thought to clear out colors.css
12:32 wizzyrea      yay thanks oleonard
12:32 * wizzyrea    bounces
12:29 wizzyrea      hmmmm
12:28 oleonard      I'll probably have to add a blank one for that reason.
12:27 oleonard      wizzyrea: If you normally use the ccsr theme you probably have your opaccolorstylesheet pref set, and I don't think there is a "colors.css" file in my bootstrap theme
12:27 wizzyrea      now that could be local config type issues
12:26 wizzyrea      it was irritated at me about cssinclude, kept saying it was not found
12:26 drojf         stumbling across http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Security_Mailing_List_Proposal i wonder if a koha-security list has ever been established?! at least not on the biblibre list server
12:26 drojf         oh but what i actually tried to ask when i was not here…
12:25 huginn        drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.0°C (2:13 PM CEST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
12:25 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
12:24 drojf         i could of course put it there, it runs my xmpp server too. but it won't help much if my network goes down, which i so far considered more likely than pidgin just not knowing it is offline
12:23 wizzyrea      yep
12:23 drojf         wizzyrea: a pi at home?
12:23 * wizzyrea    goes to fetch those error messages.....
12:22 wizzyrea      pft
12:22 * drojf       should lose a pi in the university network
12:22 oleonard      wizzyrea! Go to bed!
12:22 * wizzyrea    runs bip on a rpi
12:22 wizzyrea      oleonard! I had a question for you regarding the bootstrap stuff
12:22 drojf         hi oleonard
12:22 drojf         liw: i think an irc proxy does not really make sense unless i have a server outside of my network to put it on, and i don't have one atm
12:21 oleonard      Hi #koha
12:20 drojf         heh
12:20 liw           (iin other words, I use an irc proxy as a replacement for self-discipline)
12:20 liw           I like an irc proxy especially for the reason that I can then close my irc client at will, when I want a bit of peace and quiet from my co-workers, in order to do real work, and not be tempted by highlights and privmsgs and URLs to kitty pics other distractions
12:18 liw           drojf, I've found that an irc proxy is nice, regardless of irc client (I use bip; there are a number of alternatives) -- admittedly, it's one more thing one needs to install, configure, and keep running
12:18 drojf         my internet connection was up so that can't be it
12:17 drojf         slef: apparently not? i am slightly surprised
12:17 slef          ERC pings a bit aggressively, reconnecting on even minor network disruption, but I prefer that to talking to myself.
12:16 slef          drojf: does pidgin not ping?
12:16 drojf         i would rather not have to read the log parallel to being on irc so i can see if i am still "there" :/
12:15 drojf         pidgin-- indeed
12:15 slef          pidgin--
12:15 drojf         erm. i have been offline and talking to myself for 20 minutes and pidgin realized that just now? interesting
12:14 slef          and when the Channel Tunnel trains needed a new London station to replace the overcrowded Waterloo (besides the political faux pas of having trains from Paris arrive in a station called Waterloo), StP was there, waiting for the new use.
12:13 slef          StP only survived because of the focus on Euston, which was butchered in the 1960s
12:11 slef          I think a similar contest happened between the GWR and GCR in West London, with Paddington and Marylebone
12:11 wizzyrea      oo interesting
12:10 slef          MR built its own line and terminal because GNR prioritised its own traffic when things got busy.
12:09 slef          those two London stations side-by-side were a basically penis-size contest between two of the early railways, the Great Northern Railway and its former client the Midland Railway.  Midland was forced to merge with London North Western after WWI and the resulting company focused on the then-Doric-arched London Euston, leaving StP to slowly decay.
12:09 wizzyrea      hah
12:09 slef          so you can guess how long it's taking
12:09 slef          there's been a lot of discussion about trains here... there's an upgrade planned, which was originally called "Thameslink 2000"... oddly it's now called "the Thameslink Programme"
12:08 wizzyrea      which is sensible
12:08 wizzyrea      but mostly those sit flush to the train
12:08 wizzyrea      pop out on arms
12:07 wizzyrea      yea, that's what I was just struggling to describe
12:07 slef          or we still have some old slam-door ones with hinges
12:07 slef          they pop out of the body on arms
12:07 slef          plug-style doors
12:07 wizzyrea      how do the doors work if they don't slide?
12:06 slef          yeah I thought we didn't have sliding doors on any 100+mph stock because the wind blew them open
12:06 wizzyrea      but I find that even at fast, a train is a lot nicer than say, a bus.
12:06 wizzyrea      that's pretty fast :)
12:06 slef          100mph
12:05 slef          oh wait, Thameslinks have sliding doors so are probably slower
12:05 slef          Even King's Cross commuter trains do 70 I think
12:04 slef          you won't find many leisurely train rides at StP - 180mph Eurostars and Javelins, 110mph Thameslinks
12:01 wizzyrea      I don't mind a leisurely train ride
12:01 wizzyrea      fancy train too
12:01 wizzyrea      hmmm lovely now
11:58 slef          which is a long way from the "drive onto the platforms" state it was in when I first saw it: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St_Pancras_Station_1980.jpg
11:56 slef          It is, of course, still completely overshadowed by its neighbour http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St_Pancras_Station_2011-06.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St_Pancras_railway_station_MMB_04_373XXX.jpg
11:53 wizzyrea      very grand.
11:52 wizzyrea      ooooo
11:51 slef          imagine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:King%27s_Cross_Front_2012-03-26.jpg with the platforms opening straight onto the open square below the glass arch windows
11:50 wizzyrea      ^.^
11:50 wizzyrea      ^
11:50 wizzyrea      we have one too, but it's a dry cleaner.
11:50 wizzyrea      hehe there's a platform 9 3/4
11:49 slef          bah, nope
11:49 * slef        looks to see if he has one
11:48 slef          I can't find a picture of the front (arrivals) square now that the 30+-year-old "temporary" departure shed has been removed.
11:48 slef          I think so.
11:47 slef          I really like that elevated walkway in departures.  Partly because the ramps to platforms 0-8 put me at the right end of the train for home without walking from the other end and partly because the ticket barriers are rarely used.
11:47 wizzyrea      the king's cross restoration?
11:47 wizzyrea      do people like it?
11:46 wizzyrea      I don't think they are necessarily mutually exclusive
11:46 wizzyrea      with either a sense of grand stability, or a feeling of whimsy and adventure
11:45 wizzyrea      travel hubs should be grand and inventive I think
11:45 slef          they've removed the old departure hall at last, so you can see the station front too
11:45 wizzyrea      ohhhh that's quite magic
11:45 slef          hrm, only the departure hall
11:44 slef          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_King%27s_Cross#Restoration
11:44 wizzyrea      hmmm no I don't think so
11:44 slef          have you seen pics of our new stations?
11:43 wizzyrea      I like living in a place where taking the train is a common occurrence
11:43 slef          really obscure stuff about making sure the disabled access ramp was securely stowed and so on
11:43 wizzyrea      hehe
11:43 slef          one driver used to delight on running down the entire board of automatic announcements on the way into King's Lynn
11:42 slef          the announcements are often automatic
11:42 wizzyrea      hm that does seem unusually informal for britain
11:41 slef          Tuesday, travelling into London King's Cross, train driver announces "please take all your things with you"... the use of "things" seemed incongruous (they usually say "belongings" or "luggage")
11:40 slef          oh that reminds me
11:40 wizzyrea      ...and now the word stuff looks strange to me
11:40 wizzyrea      stuff being stuff.co.nz
11:40 wizzyrea      i got there from Stuff I thought
11:39 wizzyrea      actually I don't remember what it was from
11:39 wizzyrea      oh I don't think so no
11:39 slef          wizzyrea: oh please tell me you weren't reading the daily fail.
11:38 slef          to be fair, I don't know, but it's a fun theory
11:38 drojf         so maggie thatcher made your babies?
11:38 wizzyrea      the article I read postulated that it had more to do with the children of migrants
11:38 wizzyrea      hm is that it?
11:38 slef          always happens under right-wing governments, doesn't it? People seek refuge in family rather than trusting society to look after lone oldies.
11:38 wizzyrea      43C? No thanks.
11:38 wizzyrea      I can't imagine being pregnant through a summer like the one Kansas had last year
11:37 wizzyrea      that it has dramatically increased in recent years
11:37 slef          well, we've had 3 or 4 hard winters now and there seem to be more and more Summer-Autumn children
11:37 wizzyrea      I read something interesting about the birth rate in the UK
11:36 wizzyrea      hehe probably more to do with the lack of alternative entertainments.
11:36 wizzyrea      I think with spud I had 3x snowfalls during that winter, including one the day he was born :)
11:35 slef          wizzyrea: I suspect the ice risk and the reduction in alternative entertainments is why I see so many Summer and Autumn births in the UK... but I don't know what the winters are like where you're from.
11:35 wizzyrea      indeed.
11:34 slef          wizzyrea: life goes on, including medical visits.
11:34 wizzyrea      no slipping on ice when on bum with cocoa.
11:34 wizzyrea      see: sit on bum and drink hot cocoa. :)
11:34 slef          wizzyrea: greater risk of falling on ice, though.
11:17 wizzyrea      not that any of you wanted or needed to know that.
11:17 wizzyrea      plus if you *happen* to find out you're having a baby, winter is a more pleasant time to be pregnant than summer because all you want to do is sit on your bum and drink cocoa and be still anyway.
11:16 wizzyrea      june/july is a popular time for weddings, traditionally, because people have just graduated from college, the weather is nice (in the northern hemisphere), and it's summer vacation time
10:54 liw           :)
10:53 drojf         or you are all going to the same wedding ;)
10:53 drojf         a friend is going to a wedding too this weekend. maybe it really is that time of the year
10:51 kf            hope you have a wonderful wedding :)
10:50 liw           thank you, thank you
10:50 wizzyrea      yes congratulations :)
10:50 wizzyrea      AH!
10:50 kf            congratulations then :)
10:50 kf            aha!
10:50 liw           kf, I am
10:49 kf            drojf: pff :P
10:49 drojf         getting married? :P
10:48 kf            no idea how you ask that
10:48 kf            wedded?
10:48 kf            liw: who is getting wed?
10:48 drojf         heh
10:48 liw           (no comment on not wanting to go through the pain of arranging a wedding again)
10:47 drojf         aaaw :)
10:47 liw           drojf, true love! it would be inconceivable to want to marry again!
10:42 drojf         liw: how can you know it's your only one? :P
10:42 drojf         lol
10:40 wizzyrea      There's a band called 1023MB. They haven't had any gigs yet.
10:34 liw           eythian, yeah, but when it's my only one, I'd better do it well
10:34 * kf          hopes the food is good
10:33 eythian       A week long wedding is quite substantial :)
10:32 liw           in a few hours, I'll be starting a week's holiday to go to a wedding too! it seems it's popular at this time of the year
10:30 kf            lol
10:30 eythian       so clearly he's got a lowered resistance for that sort of thing, the warning is even more important!
10:28 kf            eythian: he already is... so that warning might be a bit late
10:27 eythian       don't get married by accident.
10:25 wizzyrea      have fun :)
10:25 * magnuse     wanders off to a wedding
10:15 wizzyrea      ^.^
10:15 wizzyrea      whoever did that, thanks, that made me laugh a lot.
10:15 * wizzyrea    is highly amused by the additions to wahanui's responses to get the popcorn
09:58 drojf         just send them an email
09:57 slef          drojf: my fb profile is nothing sensitive but I still don't want random web forums posting to it.
09:56 wahanui       Not hungry.
09:56 wizzyrea      get the popcorn
09:56 slef          drojf: yes
09:56 drojf         does fb work nicely without javascript? ;)
09:55 drojf         lol. you have a facebook profile and complain about anything ddg does?
09:54 slef          drojf: I can't ask. Visually-impaired users are not allowed to register on that forum and I don't trust them with my facebook profile.
09:46 wizzyrea      not like the other weekend.
09:45 wizzyrea      I don't think they're predicting winds *that* extreme
09:44 eythian       It'd be very annoying if it didn't.
09:44 eythian       I hope that it does.
09:40 wizzyrea      hm, northwesterly will blow straight into our hill eythian... I'll let you know if your roof stays attached
09:39 * wizzyrea    thinks that missing 30C days is worth a couple of wet and windy days
09:38 drojf         slef: "We are currently working on a new version of the forum, which will not be powered by any third-party. You can check out the test version of it here https://dukgo.com/forum/index" -- it does not look like that worked out well (was posted 7 months ago)
09:26 drojf         s/enigne/engine
09:26 drojf         they have an extra html version of the search enigne, it's not like they don't care
09:25 drojf         ask them about it, they might change it ;)
09:24 drojf         you are right. ugh
09:24 slef          drojf: don't you secure your browser? ;-)
09:24 slef          drojf: blank page if noscript is active IIRC
09:23 drojf         they do?
09:23 slef          drojf: I've seen that. I don't get why DDG requires javascript to read its forums. What are they up to? ;)
09:23 eythian       yeah, I should do the same I guess.
09:22 slef          now back to work ;)
09:22 slef          heh, elevation 1m
09:19 slef          if that... it's one of the old marsh islands from before Holland was drained... Gedney Slight Bump
09:18 eythian       heh. So Gedney Small Mound is perhaps more accurate.
09:17 slef          basically I'm higher than it at 6m, and this is not high ground
09:17 slef          Gedney Hill, altitude < 5m... can't see it more precise :-/
09:17 eythian       yeah, I can see that.
09:16 slef          eythian: usual problem of south coast in warm weather. On a north-facing coast like here, it's hotter in summer, colder in winter.
09:16 eythian       yeah, that'll be a good thing :)
09:15 slef          eythian: no, coast breeze will keep you colder
09:15 eythian       slef: I think it is supposed to get pretty warm, perhaps not 30 though.
09:14 huginn        eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 18.4°C (9:45 AM BST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
09:14 eythian       @wunder brighton, united kingdom
09:14 huginn        eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
09:14 eythian       @wunder brighton
09:14 slef          "Gedney Hill" still cracks me up.
09:14 eythian       slef: it's not gpg's usability problems per se, it's the need for people who aren't used to that sort of thing understanding how web of trust and such works.
09:14 huginn        slef: The current temperature in Gedney Hill, Spalding, United Kingdom is 18.5°C (10:01 AM BST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
09:14 slef          @wunder EGCL
09:14 slef          eythian: are you covered by our 30 degC forecast?
09:13 eythian       http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8882231/Wet-windy-weekend-ahead <-- just look what I'm missing out on
09:13 slef          eythian: put an article on your blog about gpg's usability problems?
09:13 magnuse       3.6.0 was 22nd october
09:13 magnuse       ah, ok
09:12 eythian       I think I was mixing up with the ubuntu releases :)
09:12 drojf         magnuse: i think it was only in 3.10 because paul kept pushing stuff
09:12 magnuse       or before :-)
09:12 magnuse       6 months after 22nd may
09:12 eythian       ah, november it might be.
09:12 eythian       yeah, it's a closed list
09:11 magnuse       the traditional date is 22nd november, i believe?
09:11 drojf         archive for members only ./
09:03 eythian       There's an interesting thread on NZ-Libs titled "Prism, the GCSB and libraries." Unfortunately it's mostly talking about it, not dealing with anything concrete about what could be done.
09:00 eythian       Late October is traditional, I think.
08:59 drojf         roadmap
08:59 drojf         is 3.14 planned for october or november btw? i can't find a roasmap on the wiki
08:58 drojf         true. i set it up for my mom on her first computer ever and it just works from within thunderbird. but i could not get friends to set it up themselves because they consider it too complicated
08:57 eythian       Unfortunately there's no good option for mail encryption, gpg is the best but it's not good from a usability point of view.
08:55 drojf         i will try to find a weekend to work on it somewhen before 3.14. if we had it in the next version people might actually be interested in it due to PRISM
08:52 eythian       It doesn't really need setup for just encrypting things. The most that might have to happen is that Koha maintains a keyring file that it points gpg to, but I'm not sure about that.
08:50 drojf         but i think you have to set it up somehow, even if the package is there and you don't need a key for the server. i'll have to check. if it's required, maybe it can be done via the perl package too. or it just works. in that case it would not really be a problem, even if the library does not care about it at all
08:48 eythian       I'd say detect it, and have the function disabled if it's not installed.
08:48 eythian       I think it's installed on Debian machines by default.
08:47 drojf         would have been nice to get rid of the gnupg package dependency
08:46 drojf         :)
08:46 drojf         nope
08:46 eythian       drojf: yeah, it doesn't really make sense :)
08:46 drojf         eythian: i guess i never really thought about the "run javascript on the server" thing for the encryption patch, i see the problem now
08:45 drojf         hi eythian
08:44 kf            hi eythian
08:43 eythian       hi
08:41 kf            where is the rest of the gang?
08:41 kf            hi drojf :)
08:41 drojf         hi kf
08:40 kf            hi #koha
08:40 * wizzyrea    isn't saying anything
08:35 drojf         but, you know, i bet there are a lot less terrorist emails and tweets these days. and no facebook terrorist attacks.
08:34 * wizzyrea    isn't saying anything.
08:33 drojf         i think it's stasi feeling. better don't say things. better don't go out. better keep to yourself.
08:32 wizzyrea      it's more or less the same in NZ
08:31 drojf         it's interestig to see how they change from "OMG the evil usa are spying on us" to "our spying good, their spying bad" as they want to do exactly the same
08:31 * wizzyrea    is feeling the "chilling effect" that the knowledge of broad surveillance is conveying.
08:29 drojf         they needed two years to replace the word in the manifesto. that's conservatism :D
08:29 * wizzyrea    sighs
08:29 drojf         ha, some of them have been trying to establish the new word for 2 years now, because the old one got a big brother award :D
08:28 drojf         or, could be. who knows? better check, right?
08:28 drojf         but yes, because we all are terrorists
08:27 drojf         data retention as in "we keep all your communication metadata for x months" where x varies from country to country. it's an EU thing that has to be put into local laws in all EU countries. they want to have 6 months in germany
08:23 wizzyrea      ?
08:23 wizzyrea      data retention meaning "we can mine this for data to see if you are a terrist"
08:19 drojf         wow, our "journalists" suck. the conservative party replaced the german word for "data retention" in their manifesto with a newspeek word they have been trying to introduce for a while because "data retention" got very negative connotation. the headline is "they deleted data retention from their manifesto" as if it wasn't part of it anymore.
08:10 * drojf       needs caffeine
08:09 drojf         i used cool three times in one paragraph. i'm a cool guy
08:08 wizzyrea      yep that is totally cool
08:07 drojf         actually i think it is pretty cool that it is possible at all. the inconsistency is not nice, but being able to offer koha in a multitude of languages is very cool. as somebody who worked on a translation i might add it is a lot of work, it's cool we got so many languages available
08:04 wizzyrea      i don't really mind either way, I just think it should work the same in both :)
08:04 wizzyrea      why would you want it in the OPAC?
08:04 magnuse       i have not seen it as a problem, why would you want more than one language but not the possibility to choose between them?
08:03 wahanui       http://xkcd.com/1172/
08:03 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
08:03 wizzyrea      @quote get 123
08:02 wizzyrea      that stuff happens by magic you know
08:01 drojf         true :(
08:01 wizzyrea      plus, no one pays for things like "make the interface consistent"
08:01 * wizzyrea    doesn't have anyone to pay for that
08:00 drojf         patches welcome :P
08:00 wizzyrea      I'm not sure I like that :/
08:00 wizzyrea      :)
08:00 magnuse       you can't turn it off and on, the way you can in the opac
08:00 wizzyrea      ok well that is inconsistent design the :P
07:59 magnuse       it reveals itself if you have more than one language enabled for th intranet
07:59 magnuse       there is a language chooser for the intranet
07:59 wizzyrea      for the intranet
07:59 wizzyrea      I thought there *was* a fancy switcher but then I couldn't find where to turn it on
07:58 wizzyrea      but that wouldn't have been clear to anyone but me
07:57 wizzyrea      I meant there isn't a fancy switcher like the opac has :P
07:57 wizzyrea      it's not - when I said there isn't a switcher I didn't mean "you can't change it"
07:57 drojf         i didn't know the multilanguage staff client is such a secret :)
07:55 wizzyrea      missing info there: the wind is... wellingtonish.
07:55 huginn        wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
07:55 wizzyrea      @wunder nzwn
07:54 drojf         good morning #koha
07:53 dcook         Salut paul_p
07:53 dcook         Night #koha
07:25 christophe_c  HI Viktor ;-)
07:23 Viktor        heia magnuse
07:22 magnuse       heja Viktor
07:21 * Viktor      waves back att magnuse and christophe_c
07:15 * magnuse     waves
07:11 christophe_c  hello #koha
07:10 huginn        dcook: I've exhausted my database of quotes
07:10 wahanui       ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
07:10 huginn        wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
07:10 wahanui       @quote get 123
07:10 dcook         @quote 123
07:09 dcook         Really? Really?
07:09 dcook         260 vs 264
07:09 dcook         RDA--
07:01 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @shangueh: "1 seul SET fonctionne sur mes 3 SETs OAI :( #KohaILS existe-t-il un bug connu en 3.8.5 ?"
06:52 Viktor        Hi reiveune
06:49 reiveune      hello
06:48 cait          bye all
06:48 cait          go to bed druthb_away :)
06:46 druthb        be well, all.
06:46 dcook         Indeed, it's a beautiful day still
06:46 druthb        'tis the wee hours here.  I've gotta get out of bed and go to work in four and change.
06:44 * Viktor      still gets surprised sometimes that people go to bed when the sun is just up over here :)
06:42 * druthb      wonders why cait hasn't said anything yet.
06:42 * druthb      should probably go to bed.
06:41 viktorsarge_  Hi cait !
06:40 cait          hi viktorsarge_ :)
06:29 dcook         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicity_(film)
06:29 dcook         I think we've talked about this before now that I think about it...
06:29 cait          one could do qa all day long!
06:28 cait          yeah
06:28 dcook         Or maybe over a weekend
06:28 dcook         Cloning is tough though. They need to have the same physical and mental abilities of me now...but they need to gain them instanteously
06:28 cait          and i will want one too
06:28 dcook         hehe
06:28 cait          once you got a clone, we can talk
06:28 cait          lol
06:27 dcook         I don't have any family members who develop Koha, but I'm thinking clones...
06:27 dcook         Is there a rule against family members signing off each other's patches?
06:23 dcook         I downloaded patches for the other issue I had
06:23 dcook         Ah, that's the only thing I fixed...
06:22 dcook         Two line fix in the end
06:22 dcook         It took longer than it should've as I tried to be too smart
06:22 dcook         :)
06:22 cait          :)
06:21 cait          should be the same form tho... maybe fixes both
06:21 dcook         But yeah, placing an order...shoudl be the same issue
06:21 cait          right :)
06:21 dcook         Yep, that's what the syspref says
06:21 dcook         when receiving an order
06:21 dcook         Hmm, I think I meant create items when receiving
06:20 cait          :) i think you meant create items on order there, but that looks stil like my problem
06:20 dcook         That's actually the one I could remember. There was another acquisitions related thing I did..
06:20 cait          receiving on order?
06:20 dcook         Yeah, nasty one there
06:20 dcook         Right! Old IE not having indexOf
06:19 cait          internet explorer does not allow you to order multiple items
06:19 dcook         I know I worked on that this morning, but now I'm struggling to remember what it was...
06:18 cait          that acq items problem - i had that happen in training
06:17 cait          dcook++
06:15 dcook         Encouraging!
06:12 * cait        runs out
06:12 cait          waah! i am running late!
06:12 wizzyrea      BZZT
06:11 wizzyrea      that sound you hear, that's your alarm clock.
06:11 wizzyrea      you are dreaming
06:11 dcook         Sorry, cait
06:11 dcook         hehe
06:11 * cait        ponders if she is still sleeping because #koha doesn't seem to make any sense today
06:11 dcook         La Marseillaise
06:11 dcook         I first learned about it when we were studying the national anthem
06:10 dcook         http://www.wordreference.com/fren/%C3%A9gorger
06:10 dcook         Egorger
06:10 dcook         Did you know that the French have a word for slitting throats?
06:10 dcook         Oohhh, I like eviscerating although it's not all that relevant here
06:08 wizzyrea      eviscerating
06:08 wizzyrea      elevating?
06:07 cait          huh?
06:06 dcook         Hopefully not eroding..
06:05 dcook         extolling?
06:05 dcook         employing?
06:05 dcook         Nor escaping
06:05 dcook         Not erasing..
06:05 dcook         evoking?
06:05 dcook         Bustin' bugs and...____ enhancements
05:55 dcook         It does explain the easiness of ABC, apparently
05:54 cait          :)
05:54 cait          123 explains everything
05:53 dcook         Hmm, that could explain it...
05:53 wizzyrea      because 123, of course
05:53 wahanui       http://xkcd.com/1172/
05:53 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
05:53 wizzyrea      @quote get 123
05:53 wizzyrea      it's not entirely unprecedented when discussing and/or dealing with the circ rules
05:52 * dcook       mutters a bit more and goes back to what he was doing
05:52 dcook         You know me. I mutter a lot.
05:50 wizzyrea      dunno, dcook was muttering about them a while ago
05:50 cait          speaking in riddles she is... :)
05:50 wizzyrea      they work in unexpected ways sometimes
05:50 wizzyrea      they just do.
05:50 cait          hm?
05:48 wizzyrea      the rules do some weird things.
05:37 dcook         You're on early today!
05:37 dcook         salut paul_p
05:32 cait          hi paul_p
05:30 Oak           :)
05:29 cait          um hi Oak
05:28 Oak           Good morning Katrin Fischer.
04:55 druthb        Hi cait! :D
04:54 cait          hi dcook :)
04:54 dcook         hey cait :)
04:53 dcook         Hmm, I think I recall how these work now
04:50 dcook         Hmm, perhaps :p.
04:49 druthb        Sounds like it still does.
04:49 dcook         I swear that had context at the time
04:49 dcook         lol
04:49 druthb        yes, well.
04:48 wahanui       dcook is currently out of line.
04:48 druthb        wahanui: dcook?
04:48 druthb        hm.
04:48 druthb        dcook is mean!
04:48 druthb        eep!
04:48 dcook         Nah, I'm far less forgiving. I was thinking a liberal dose of Crucio.
04:47 druthb        Why, so you can send them to Azkaban?
04:47 dcook         I suppose a person could git blame koha_structure.sql...:p
04:46 druthb        Dark arts, as done by a schizophrenic.
04:46 dcook         And those are just the ones that "look" like circ rules off the top of my head
04:46 dcook         issuingrules
04:46 dcook         default_circ_rules
04:46 dcook         default_branch_item_rules
04:46 dcook         default_branch_circ_rules
04:46 dcook         default_borrower_circ_rules
04:46 dcook         branch_item_rules
04:46 dcook         branch_borrower_circ_rules
04:44 druthb        Dark Arts.
04:41 dcook         And how they're stored in the db...
04:41 * dcook       thinks one day he might figure out how Koha circ rules work...
04:38 druthb        (which probably cranked off the people wanting to blast fireworks, but that's their problem, not mine.)
04:38 huginn        dcook: The current temperature in Matraville, Sydney, New South Wales is 21.6°C (2:35 PM EST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
04:38 dcook         @wunder sydney, australia
04:38 dcook         Sounds nice
04:37 druthb        Much cooler than earlier.  we had a bit of a rainshower right as the sun set.
04:37 huginn        druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 24.1°C (11:37 PM CDT on July 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
04:37 druthb        @wunder 77063
04:35 dcook         hey druthb :)
04:35 dcook         \o
04:34 druthb        o/
04:25 huginn        Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 33.0°C (9:00 AM PKT on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising).
04:25 Oak           @wunder islamabad
04:25 * Oak         waves
04:14 wahanui       the koha community is, like, an amazing thing
04:14 dcook         The koha community?
04:14 wahanui       i guess koha community is an amazing thing
04:14 dcook         koha community?
04:14 dcook         hehe
04:13 wahanui       i already had it that way, huginn.
04:13 huginn        dcook: Quote #225: "eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding." (added by wizzyrea at 09:44 PM, December 19, 2012)
04:13 dcook         @quote random
03:12 * dcook       trots off to eat
02:32 dcook         Perhaps it's not really that major...but it's pretty important for anyone using acquisitions and IE...
02:31 dcook         It's only 2 lines of code ;)
02:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10541 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js
02:31 dcook         bug 10541: If anyone wants a super easy sign off
01:48 dcook         Huzzah, much better now :)
01:41 dcook         Cross-browser and dates back to jQuery 1.2.x, so all should be well...
01:40 dcook         I think I ran into this same issue ages ago when I was writing something of my own
01:40 dcook         Decided to say "screw it" and switched to using $.inArray instead
01:40 dcook         Hmm, I think that Prototype code from Mozilla might not work with certain kinds of for loops...
01:13 jcamins       Yeah, probably.
01:13 jcamins       Hm.
01:12 dcook         It's definitely not in document.ready and I would think if there were an issue about it not being declared, I'd be getting an error rather than it freezing :/
01:11 jcamins       dcook: it should work there, provided it's declared before you use it, and is not in document.ready.
01:07 dcook         But...I just stuck it in the intranetuserjs for testing...although I'm not sure why that would make a difference
01:06 jcamins       dcook: that's not good.
01:05 dcook         Well, froze when I hit "add"
01:05 dcook         jcamins: It just froze the page :/
01:05 mtompset      Probably.
01:05 mtompset      But, I was just joking.
01:05 dcook         mtompset: I'm pretty sure those sites are looked down upon from usability experts
01:05 jcamins       dcook: oh? What error did you get?
01:05 dcook         Maybe I'll try incorporating it in a different way
01:04 mtompset      Many sites tend to specify latest version of browsers.
01:04 dcook         IE did not like me trying to use that code from Mozilla...
01:04 dcook         One where re-directs can act funny and another where the search result page gets cut off at the bottom
01:04 dcook         Maybe a couple issues with older IE
01:03 dcook         Actually, I think there's a little issue
01:03 wizzyrea      the staff client works best with a browser that is not IE
01:03 dcook         Possibly
01:03 * dcook       ponders
01:03 wahanui       the opac is for patrons
01:03 dcook         The opac?
01:03 wizzyrea      in fact it's all fine, afaict
01:03 wizzyrea      the opac is mostly fine in IE
01:03 wizzyrea      no I don't think we want to do that
01:02 mtompset      Hey, if someone put it as part of the requirements (http://koha-community.org/download-koha/) [ A browser -- preferably not Internet Explorer ] ;)
00:58 dcook         I'm thinking that's probably the easiest solution...(seeing that I can't mandate the non-use of IE...alas)
00:58 dcook         Right! Polyfill!
00:55 dcook         I seem to remember a lot of XP back in Canada though
00:55 * dcook       can't think of anything witty to say.
00:47 mtompset      No no, jcamins. World Class Librarians. ;)
00:47 wizzyrea      wellington city librar(ies)
00:47 jcamins       World Combat League?
00:47 wizzyrea      hm, thinking about it I think the WCL uses XP
00:46 mtompset      vista was useable after service pack 1.
00:46 * wizzyrea    was grateful that they skipped vista
00:46 jcamins       wizzyrea: I actually don't know what OSes normal libraries are using these days... I simply haven't noticed.
00:45 wizzyrea      but many went to win7
00:45 * mtompset    laughs, "Perhaps."
00:45 wizzyrea      we strongly recommended to libraries that they skip vista
00:45 jcamins       :P
00:45 jcamins       mtompset: true, but much more poignant.
00:44 mtompset      Not quite as short as "Jesus wept", jcamins. ;)
00:44 wizzyrea      that actually surprises me
00:44 jcamins       [off] And then I've cheered up because I've realized that I told them they had to use a web browser that wasn't Internet Explorer, making this not my problem.
00:44 wizzyrea      oh well corporate is always lagging, but I would have expected even they would be moving to 7
00:44 jcamins       And I have wept.
00:44 mtompset      They should jump to 7, before they are forced to jump to 8, which everyone hates.
00:43 jcamins       wizzyrea: alas, the last three corporate environments I've interacted with recently have been XP.
00:43 wizzyrea      not win7
00:43 wizzyrea      people skipped vista
00:42 mtompset      I would have thought with a release of windows 8 being announced, businesses would have lept 2 OSes to 7.
00:42 wizzyrea      at this point I'd be more surprised to *see* xp in business than not see it
00:42 mtompset      I've seen windows 7 in use.
00:42 jcamins       Huh. You learn something new every day.
00:42 jcamins       There are businesses on Windows that are *not* using XP?
00:41 dcook         We have quite a few folks on IE8. Some even on IE7.
00:41 dcook         Which I'm sure lots are
00:41 mtompset      only if they are running xp.
00:41 jcamins       That leaves business workstations running IE8.
00:41 mtompset      i believe you could get ie8 working in 98, but it was best to stick back at 7.
00:41 dcook         Ideally, we should always keep our systems up-to-date, but users aren't system or network administrators
00:40 mtompset      ie 6 worked in win95, but it was better to stick with 5.5 :)
00:40 dcook         Exception?
00:39 mtompset      IE is a core part of the OS. If you are using Windows, you should be updating your IE, even if you aren't using it as your default browser. There is the exception that you should probably not upgrade more than once in a given windows OS.
00:38 dcook         Personally, I rather they switch to Chrome or Firefox than continue to use IE, but...having worked in government and corporate environments, I know that's not always an option :/
00:38 dcook         And when the ajax busts in acquisitions as a result, it's an issue
00:38 dcook         Alas, the stranglehold of IE pervades client workstations
00:38 jcamins       Good.
00:37 dcook         I would never think of such a thing ;)
00:37 jcamins       dcook: don't take that as encouragement to go out and use IE8, please.
00:36 dcook         Intriguing...
00:35 jcamins       dcook: a better example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/indexOf
00:34 jcamins       dcook: the first example I found on Google: https://gist.github.com/atk/1034425
00:33 jcamins       dcook: you can polyfill it, if you must.
00:32 dcook         Rarrrr
00:32 dcook         "The indexOf() method is not supported in Internet Explorer 8 and earlier."
00:29 rangi         https://soundcloud.com/rocknrolla-soundsystem/ken-boothe-is-it-because-im
00:25 wizzyrea      oh man, that's a truth.
00:25 dcook         PeopleThatRefuseToUpgradeIE--
00:24 wizzyrea      lol
00:24 jcamins       IE--
00:24 jcamins       wizzyrea++
00:23 dcook         IE--
00:19 * mtompset    grins, "Been there, done that."
00:18 dcook         Turns out it's also useful to run Koha using the same version of database and source code...who'd a thunk it...
00:15 dcook         hehe
00:15 wizzyrea      hehehehehe
00:15 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #221: "I used to be sane like you, until I took a MARC data to the knee" (added by chrisc at 09:28 PM, October 23, 2012)
00:15 wizzyrea      @quote random
00:14 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010)
00:14 wizzyrea      @quote random
00:14 wahanui       i already had it that way, huginn.
00:14 huginn        gmcharlt: Quote #166: "jcamins: this is IRC. There's a several decade long tradition of lurking." (added by wizzyrea at 03:06 PM, November 17, 2011)
00:14 gmcharlt      @quote random
00:14 dcook         It's the number of items/orders you'd have to delete before you could delete that biblio...
00:14 dcook         Ahhh...finally understand the "7 item(s) left 2 order(s) left" thing in Acquisitions...
00:13 mtompset      I think that is why I cpan2deb'd it.
00:13 mtompset      older version.
00:12 wizzyrea      and precise
00:11 wizzyrea      weird, libcrypt-openssl-rsa-perl was in lucid
00:10 mtompset      the two endpoints generating public/private pairs, and swapping public keys is a reasonably sound way to confirm the message is from who they say they are and is not forged.
00:08 jcamins       I'm just saying that I think there is probably another way to do RSA if that's the best solution.
00:08 jcamins       I don't care how you do it.
00:08 mtompset      It has a lot of dependencies.
00:08 mtompset      But it's a pain to package!
00:08 jcamins       Crypt::RSA is licensed under the same license as Perl itself.
00:07 mtompset      If it isn't in the default repos, then it is most likely going to be a pain licensing-wise.
00:06 mtompset      Yet another reason I don't like that solution.
00:06 mtompset      There isn't for Ubuntu... I cpan2deb'd it.
00:06 wizzyrea      perl*
00:06 wizzyrea      libcrypt-openssl-rsa-per - the debian package
00:05 mtompset      wizzyrea: package for what? Just making sure I didn't lose context accidentally.
00:04 * wizzyrea    admits to not yet checking
00:04 wizzyrea      there wasn't a package?
00:02 mtompset      I haven't tried Crypt::RSA yet, and that was a PAIN to get installed.
00:02 mtompset      Not using Crypt::OpenSSL::RSA
00:02 jcamins       mtompset: right, but  am sure it is possible to do all four operations under Perl. I don't know how, but that in no way lessens my certainty that someone has made it work.
00:00 mtompset      It works for three of the four operations, jcamins. Though, having started to look at GPG, I'm thinking it may be a nicer solution. The some of the RSA perl libraries are only CPAN'able in Ubuntu.