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23:59 mtompset fused?! As in self-welded/meltd?
23:59 dcook Fused?
23:59 wizzyrea push and twist?
23:59 jcamins The bulb part is kind of loose.
23:59 jcamins Well... the metal part of the lightbulb is.
23:59 jcamins dcook: no, the lightbulb is fused to the socket.
23:59 dcook How many eythians does it take to unscrew a lightbulb?
23:59 mtompset define it as the new standard, jcamins. ;)
23:59 wizzyrea you should ask him that :)
23:59 dcook The lightbulb hasn't been removed?
23:58 dcook What is eythian getting up to over there?
23:58 jcamins How to remove the lightbulb?
23:58 wizzyrea i'd ask eythian - he's on europe time now
23:57 mtompset Seeing as I have never set up a repository, I don't know, but I was wondering if there was a way to create "aliases", such that instead of a koha.list file that says squeeze it would say stable, and instead of squeeze-dev it would say development. Is that possible?
23:53 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah...
23:51 tcohen (if i don't find the replacement part soon enough, of course)
23:50 tcohen hm, the same i'll do with my jetta leds
23:50 * wizzyrea revisits the hammer idea
23:50 wizzyrea err
23:49 jcamins The contractors opted not to let that stop them.
23:49 jcamins See, it didn't actually fit.
23:49 jcamins The dead bulb in the kitchen? It's not quite as normal as I thought.
23:48 jcamins I shouldn't have done this today.
23:47 tcohen mtompset: installer/install.pl:282
23:43 wizzyrea did you try a hammer
23:43 * jcamins found the manual.
23:43 jcamins Ah-ha!
23:42 mtompset tcohen: So why would the order be different on Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.04?
23:41 druthb o/
23:39 tcohen marc flavours are read in order from the language's dir
23:38 jcamins lol
23:37 dcook But who can turn down a satellite laser?
23:37 dcook Probably not applicable to the current situation...
23:37 * dcook remembers the conversation about trying to open the coconut
23:36 jcamins I can't figure out how to disassemble the fixture in the bedroom.
23:36 tcohen i don't think so
23:34 mtompset Question: is the Unimarc vs. Marc21 radio button part in the web install randomly ordered?
23:34 * tcohen is building master packages for testing that annoying un-important history.txt
23:33 jcamins The lights in the bedroom are dead too.
23:33 jcamins Oh, that reminds me.
23:33 jcamins Oh, drat. The chandelier is type B.
23:32 jcamins Ooh. A 6-pack of dimmable LEDs for $80.
23:32 dcook I popped down to a light store down the street from the office, spent less than 4 dollars on a new tube, popped it in, and there was light again!
23:32 jcamins lol
23:32 dcook They had been cooking in the dark that whole time O_o.
23:32 dcook They said it had burned out so they had taken it down...weeks before.
23:31 dcook When I came back from Canada, I noticed that the lightbulb was missing from the kitchen light.
23:31 jcamins dcook: yeah, let's go with that. :)
23:31 dcook Perhaps as a reminder?
23:31 jcamins I already knew that I didn't have any bulbs I could put in it.
23:31 jcamins I find myself wondering why I took the fixture down.
23:30 tcohen Myshkin is to blame for sure :-P
23:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #62 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #57 4 days 8 hr ago)
23:28 jcamins No, this is one thing that he can't be blamed for today.
23:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #147: FIXED in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/147/
23:28 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
23:28 jcamins lol
23:28 gmcharlt is a certain kitty bouncing on the switch all day long? ;)
23:28 mtompset ^They'd^They've^
23:28 rangi hmm
23:28 mtompset They'd got newer ones which you can.
23:27 jcamins I didn't think you were supposed to put flourescents on dimmer switches.
23:27 jcamins On a dimmer switch.
23:27 jcamins It was a regular lightbulb. It was paired with a bizarre flourescent light.
23:27 jcamins A light in the kitchen just burnt out.
23:27 jcamins ... I think I need to around and check the lightbulbs in all the fixtures.
23:26 gmcharlt rangi++
23:25 gmcharlt jcamins: +1 for splitting
23:20 mtompset you mean splitting the test file because it is large?
23:19 jcamins And by that I mean "by the time I get to the end I'm confused and don't know what it does."
23:18 rangi i dont mind :)
23:18 jcamins Acquisitions.t is getting too long.
23:18 jcamins I'm still stuck on the Acq unit tests. What do people think of adding a db_dependent/Acquisitions_invoices.t test?
23:17 rangi i just assume publishers all drive those big 4x4 mercedes
23:17 jcamins Hmm.
23:16 tcohen heh
23:16 rangi won't someone please think of the mercedes dealers!
23:16 jcamins THIS IS THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT! WATCH OUT FOR FALLING SPIDERS!!!!
23:16 jcamins Especially the academic journal publishers!
23:16 rangi over there in the corner with the farriers
23:16 jcamins Dead!
23:15 rangi dead?
23:15 jcamins They're going to be very successful, and then where will the publishing industry be?
23:15 rangi heh
23:14 jcamins rangi: nooooo!!!! They can't do that!
23:13 tcohen understood
23:13 rangi http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=46399
23:11 jcamins tcohen: yeah, underwriting is what insurance agents do. They say "we will pay you for the costs/whatever if something bad happens.
23:10 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add introduction chapter
23:10 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update patron search
23:10 wizzyrea yikes
23:10 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: remove references to 3.4
23:10 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update label
23:10 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update star printer section
23:10 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update hold waiting warning
23:10 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update analytics section
23:10 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update typo
23:10 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
23:10 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add values to serials table faq
23:10 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update typos
23:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #45: SUCCESS in 8 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/45/
23:10 jcamins And the farm with the veggies had rot, insects, and wind damage, so we got two tiny heads of lettuce, a couple carrots, some salad turnips, and some rather pitiful scallions.
23:09 jcamins The farm that we get the grain and flour from had a fire, so we got 5lbs of spelt flour (not so bad) and a tiny box of buckwheat groats, instead of 2lbs of two varieties of flour and 1lb of two varieties of whole grains.
23:09 tcohen is it some financial thing? (underwriting)
23:08 jcamins This week we were reminded that essentially we are underwriting insurance for small mom-and-pop farms.
23:08 rangi ah
23:08 jcamins Community-Supported Agriculture.
23:07 rangi CSA?
23:07 jcamins It was really, really sad.
23:07 tcohen ?
23:07 jcamins (and not because a person is overwhelmed)
23:06 jcamins Gosh, that CSA pickup was enough to make a person weep.
23:06 rangi i just made work for the es translators it seems :)
23:05 rangi now its failing for real reason
23:05 rangi yay
23:05 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/339/console
23:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #45 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add introduction chapter
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: remove references to 3.4
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update typo
23:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #37: STILL FAILING in 6 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/37/
23:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #339: STILL FAILING in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/339/
23:02 * mtompset cheers for progress.
23:00 rangi but probably not until this evening
23:00 rangi and maybe bgkriegels server doing package builds
23:00 rangi i might get it doign a full install test too
22:59 rangi right, galens linode is now running the tests for the docs
22:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #37 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #35 1 mo 24 days ago)
22:57 rangi *fingers crossed*
22:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #339 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #332 1 mo 24 days ago)
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add introduction chapter
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: retitle manual for 3.14
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update patron searching
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update resetting koha db section with info for packages
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: remove references to 3.4
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update label
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update star printer section
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix missing NotesBlacklist label
22:54 wahanui progress is, like, good
22:54 rangi progress!
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add Link warning to frameworks
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add new frameworks image
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: remove hidden / add visibility to frameworks
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update hold waiting warning
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update catalog images
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update analytics section
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add AllowHoldsOnPatronsPossessions
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add RenewalSendNotice
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add OpacItemLocation
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Revert "add OpacItemLocation"
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add OpacItemLocation
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update typo
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add values to serials table faq
22:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update typos
22:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #338: STILL FAILING in 23 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/338/
22:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #338 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #332 1 mo 24 days ago)
22:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #337: STILL FAILING in 6 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/337/
22:46 mtompset When I used mysql, I discovered the user='' (anonymous users).
22:45 mtompset jcamins: I just installed debian wheezy.
22:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #147 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #144 10 days ago)
22:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #336: STILL FAILING in 3.1 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/336/
22:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1283: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 19 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1283/
22:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9987: Remove DB field aqorders.biblioitemnunmber <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=da0337b374c5824c0f9edcb3e8545c812644ff63>
22:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #36: FAILURE in 3.1 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/36/
22:32 rangi this will happen for a while, while i sort out paths etc on the new node
22:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #335: STILL FAILING in 3 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/335/
22:31 rangi heh
22:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #334: STILL FAILING in 3 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/334/
22:30 wizzyrea FAILURE
22:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #333: FAILURE in 3.1 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/333/
22:28 rangi they tried to build on the new slave node :)
22:28 rangi sorry my bad :)
22:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #327: STILL FAILING in 5.6 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/327/
22:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #146: STILL FAILING in 2 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/146/
22:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #61: ABORTED in 2 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/61/
21:44 mtompset I haven't checked my lists in a while.
21:44 tcohen i want 3.12 to be perfect, and that bothered me heh
21:44 mtompset I had totally forgotten about that bug.
21:43 tcohen hmm, so close
21:42 mtompset Are you trying to get me in trouble, tcohen. :P
21:40 tcohen :-D
21:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8911 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , docs/history.txt file missing for about.pl
21:40 tcohen don't think so mtompset, its bug 8911
21:39 rangi cya drojf
21:38 mtompset good night, drojf.
21:38 mtompset don't say the bug number, lest the karma deducting wrath fall upon you. :P
21:38 drojf good night #koha
21:37 tcohen hi mtompset
21:37 tcohen :-P
21:37 tcohen so u have time to sing a patch i have :-D
21:34 mtompset I was going to try that later sometime.
21:34 mtompset Previously, when I did perl on windows I used activestate.
21:33 gmcharlt gotcha
21:33 mtompset it's based on strawberry.
21:33 gmcharlt mtompset: Strawberry?
21:33 mtompset That was using dwiperl? -- rangi gave a link the other day, so I tried it out.
21:32 mtompset It was around 21ish in total.
21:32 mtompset Well, 4 REQUIRED dependencies.
21:32 drojf [off] i can put the whole internet onto the bluray too
21:32 wahanui rumour has it 4 is the attribute in bib1.att for title
21:32 jcamins 4?
21:32 wizzyrea actually, yea, it kind of is.
21:32 mtompset Amazing, right?
21:31 wizzyrea only 4?
21:31 mtompset And so I gave up trying.
21:31 mtompset I tried a native install of koha on windows the other night... I had issues with four dependencies.
21:31 drojf [off] great!!
21:31 rangi [off] make it bluray
21:31 drojf [off] i think i will be doing an unofficial live dvd. just to have some competition in there
21:30 rangi so doing what it should
21:30 rangi etc
21:30 rangi if ( $^O eq 'MSWin32' ) {
21:30 jcamins rangi: okay, I feel slightly less nauseated now.
21:29 rangi its just in the Makefile.PL
21:29 mtompset tcohen... c:\progra~1?!
21:28 jcamins I think a reply might have been less rude-sounding.
21:28 rangi but nothing more than that
21:28 rangi and had a couple of installs to show
21:28 rangi well itd be nice if the used the word not an acronym
21:28 rangi nope
21:28 gmcharlt had you expressed any other objections?
21:27 gmcharlt rangi: to be fair, after glancing at their website, they did adjust the license statement as you had requested
21:26 rangi cool
21:25 gmcharlt and I've kicked off build requests for 3.12.x, 3.10.x and 3.8.x
21:25 jcamins tcohen: I feel nauseated by hearing that.
21:25 * tcohen feels uncomfortable reading "c:/progra~1/koha" on Koha's source
21:24 rangi yeah its the just keep resending the same message trick
21:24 jcamins Oh, no, maybe the same name.
21:23 gmcharlt that one should pass, based on manual testing
21:23 jcamins Same website, different name.
21:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #1283 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 4 days 20 hr ago)
21:23 rangi [off] awesome you want to be listed and you spell it KOHA
21:22 tcohen i like that approach
21:21 jcamins I was thinking the docs path.
21:21 tcohen the full history.txt path
21:21 jcamins It won't be any _more_ broken on existing installs.
21:21 jcamins tcohen: what about putting the path in koha-conf.xml?
21:21 rangi yep the patch taht added that only works with dev installs, so its pretty much completely backwards :)
21:21 rangi because with the tarball you can type a dir in
21:20 rangi packages is the only one that is always standard
21:20 tcohen about.pl looks intranet-cgi for it
21:19 rangi speaking of history.txt it needs some updates
21:19 tcohen packages and stadard tarball setup don't share the same dir
21:18 tcohen oh, that should do it
21:18 tcohen and /usr/share/doc/koha-common on packages
21:18 rangi i wouldnt bother about dev
21:18 rangi both packages and tarball should put it there
21:18 tcohen docs/ on the dev setup
21:17 rangi yep
21:17 tcohen it seems that /usr/share/koha/docs is the standard place
21:17 tcohen for each install method
21:17 tcohen i want to put history.txt in the right place
21:16 wizzyrea ?
21:16 wizzyrea like, whether it was a git or a package or a standard
21:16 rangi what type setup?
21:16 rangi back
21:16 wizzyrea well hm.
21:15 tcohen i need it to fix something :-P
21:12 tcohen how can i make koha know what type setup method was used?
20:17 rangi ok, gotta take kids to school
20:17 rangi ideally
20:17 rangi idally
20:17 rangi yeah so it should make them
20:16 tcohen that test depends on the existence of at least 10 items
20:15 rangi but depending on the default set is not too bad
20:15 rangi yes ideally the tests should create the data they need and using transactions rollback
20:11 tcohen and the needed dataset? is the default stuff?
20:10 rangi real db calls for the most part
20:10 tcohen real db calls
20:09 tcohen s/they are/are they/
20:08 tcohen are db_dependent tests using the configured mysql DB or they are mocked db tests?
20:03 gmcharlt rangi: ah, OK
20:02 rangi so it should be as simple as creating some dbs and changing the set variables
20:02 rangi using the set variables
20:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10439 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Cannot modify the notice's library
20:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10464 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Patron search on placing a hold doesn't use jqueryui.autocomplete
20:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=766 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Use of CGI::scrolling_list prevents customization in template
20:01 rangi the first thing it does is a make
20:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10141 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Enable "18-21 Illustrations" and "24-27 Nature of contents" options for marc21_field_008.pl plugin
20:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10466 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Lists: Use "size" as names/hash keys leads to an unexpected results when using Template::Toolkit (name of a virtual method there)
20:01 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10439: fix bug preventing the library for a notice from being changed
20:01 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10464: Patron search on placing a hold now supports autocomplete
20:01 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 766: remove CGI::scrolling_list from request.pl
20:01 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10141: improve editing of MARC21 bib 008/18-21 and 008/24-27
20:01 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10466: fix glitch in OPAC display of titles saved to list
20:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #60: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/60/
20:01 rangi they were using different dbs but i think currently they are all using the same
19:59 gmcharlt using MyISAM for all tables, not InnoDB
19:59 gmcharlt by the way, since I'm not sure whether every caught it -- the reason why I reseeded master DB was that it had been created incorrectly from the very beginning, it seems
19:58 jcamins gmcharlt: the database was updated from 3.4.x, I think.
19:58 gmcharlt but not before then
19:58 gmcharlt 3.12.x and master, I'd understand, although it should be split
19:58 gmcharlt however, is jenkins using the same DB for all version streams?
19:57 gmcharlt rangi: tcohen: indeed -- which actually points out bugs in some of the tests
19:57 rangi ill try to check when i get to work
19:57 rangi so it may have no items
19:56 rangi i think we zeroed out the data on jenkins
19:56 tcohen oh, wait, it was at work
19:56 rangi hmm it seems to run locally
19:56 jcamins In that case I have no idea what it could be.
19:56 tcohen i do
19:56 jcamins tcohen: do you have an item in your data?
19:54 tcohen i will, thanks
19:54 rangi you coudl try git-bisect
19:53 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/lastCompletedBuild/changes-since-last-success/lastStable/?
19:53 tcohen but i guess i'll find out
19:53 tcohen i see no relation to the patches recently pushed
19:53 tcohen i now ran the tests on my box and they fail
19:53 rangi i got that from the console link
19:53 rangi 19:30:38 # Retrieved batch object FAILED to verify.
19:53 rangi 19:30:34 # $expected = C4::Labels::Batch=HASH(0x1a4dd08)
19:53 rangi 19:30:31 # $got = '-2'
19:53 rangi 19:30:27 # Structures begin differing at:
19:53 rangi 19:30:06 # Failed test at t/db_dependent/Labels/t_Batch.t line 72.
19:53 rangi 19:30:06
19:52 tcohen yes
19:52 rangi also the changes since last success?
19:52 rangi see the console link?
19:52 rangi on the left
19:52 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/
19:51 tcohen :-D
19:51 tcohen which you did
19:51 tcohen but that was because no one answered my call
19:51 rangi ahh you can see that without being logged in
19:51 tcohen i just wanted to figure out what changed and made tests fail
19:49 rangi what do you need to do?
19:49 rangi it will give you no extra privs unless i elevate the account
19:48 rangi and you dont actually need it
19:48 rangi but you have no password
19:48 rangi tcohen: its created by jenkins when you make commits
19:46 jcamins What are jenkins accounts for?
19:46 tcohen i tried creating an account, and found it already existed
19:45 tcohen i'm not sure
19:42 rangi did I make you a full login once?
19:42 rangi yep ask me
19:41 tcohen is there a way to recover my jenkins account?
19:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #60 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #57 4 days 4 hr ago)
19:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #326: UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/326/
19:11 rambutan http://imageshack.com/i/7g8xx9p
19:03 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (9:00 PM CEST on July 02, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
19:03 cait @wunder konstanz
19:03 huginn rambutan: downloading the Perl source
19:03 rambutan @22"
19:02 rambutan yea, I'm comparing FF to Chrome now. I concur that the display is not the best
19:01 jcamins I usually use Chrome. On a Mac, even. But this is my wife's computer, and I can count on the fingers of one hand how many times I've tried to use it for anything other than music/Netflix.
19:00 rambutan yea, I see that screen shot is chrome
18:59 jcamins rambutan: everything's looking off on this monitor, even though all the pages I have open now were open on my laptop a few hours ago, so I'm thinking it's an OS/browser issue.
18:58 rambutan we have lots of 22" monitors--they look just fine. The only 23" in use is an opac, and the opac looks fine, but I can't get into the staff interface
18:54 jcamins I am using a different client, and I see the problem... oh, never mind.
18:54 jcamins this is really interesting.
18:54 jcamins Okay...
18:53 jcamins My first response was "oh no, all the links are gone!"
18:53 jcamins http://screencast.com/t/K7A7cYzok
18:52 jcamins And this is not a page that I've modified at all.
18:52 jcamins It looks *awful*.
18:51 drojf why?
18:51 drojf [off] jcamins: i have 27". not on this computer atm though
18:50 rambutan lemme poke around here
18:50 jcamins I'll take a screenshot.
18:50 jcamins Should be 3.10+.
18:50 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
18:50 drojf @later tell slef you may be interested in https://duck.co/topic/we-have-to-talk-about-ddgs-honesty it also has links to the dutch surveillance laws that i could not remember in some of the last postings
18:49 rambutan what version? Link?
18:49 jcamins I'm wondering if the Circulation home page looks bad when maximized on all large monitors.
18:49 rambutan we have some with 23"
18:49 rambutan I think slef does
18:49 jcamins rambutan: I think this monitor is only 22", so, 22"+.
18:48 rambutan how large?
18:48 jcamins does anyone have a large monitor?
18:48 jcamins Hey...
18:47 * cait waves
18:39 jcamins I noticed it earlier.
18:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #326 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:39 jcamins There is a patch for bgkriegel to review in Passed QA.
18:39 jcamins Oh, that reminds me.
18:39 tcohen let me guess label_batch
18:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #145: UNSTABLE in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/145/
18:36 tcohen should I add a docs/ dir with the whole files or just history.txt?
18:36 tcohen i'll add the docs to Makefile.PL
18:36 jcamins Yep.
18:35 tcohen that explains why it shows the history lines
18:35 jcamins tcohen: it used to be, at least.
18:35 tcohen is bywater's demo install a dev install?
18:27 drojf heh
18:27 jcamins drojf: I've seen him more contrite.
18:26 drojf is the cat sorry?
18:26 * jcamins too.
18:26 tcohen i'm sorry jcamins
18:25 jcamins tcohen: we'll find out in a few days. :/
18:25 tcohen me too drojf
18:25 drojf oh. i read that as "turned it off"
18:25 tcohen tea?
18:25 tcohen dead like *really dead* ?
18:24 jcamins tcohen: except for the dead laptop.
18:24 tcohen :-D sounds great jcamins
18:24 jcamins tcohen: in this case, the swp file was copied into a backup less than ten minutes before the cat killed the laptop, so I was able to copy the unmodified file and the swp file onto a different computer and I didn't lose any changes.
18:24 drojf i guess that means they are going to postpone articles about how tor is for terrorists and child porn then
18:23 drojf one of the biggest german news magazines has an article about building your own raspberry pi tor router on the start page of their website.
18:22 tcohen vim++ # for several reasons
18:22 tcohen how does it work?
18:22 jcamins vim++ # swp files work *great*
18:11 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
18:11 drojf @later tell cait found the bug :)
18:09 tcohen gmcharlt: dou have access to jenkins?
17:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #145 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #59: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/59/
17:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #59 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #57 4 days 2 hr ago)
17:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1282: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1282/
17:12 tcohen ok ok
17:12 druthb I see you fine.
17:12 druthb Hi, tcohen. :)
17:09 tcohen :/
17:06 tcohen am i online? # networking problems
17:00 tcohen eythian: do u think it will be possible to backport liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl into the squeeze dist in time for 3.12.2?
16:56 wahanui bidet, eythian
16:56 eythian hello
16:56 tcohen hi eythian btw
16:56 eythian oh
16:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10466 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Lists: Use "size" as names/hash keys leads to an unexpected results when using Template::Toolkit (name of a virtual method there)
16:56 eythian excluding the idea that everything should have a test case, I'd say no because it's really just a search and replace.
16:56 tcohen hmm, i mean bug 10466
16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10446 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , System preference maxoutstanding is poorly named
16:55 tcohen should bug 10446 have a unit test
16:39 drojf :D
16:39 drojf ok i'll do my own
16:39 kf well... if you can find it :P
16:39 drojf kf: oh, convenient
16:39 kf when i tested suppressing items/records i filed some for being able to still reach the record with a direct link
16:38 tcohen hi kf
16:38 kf drojf: i like the idea - i already filed a bug you can use :)
16:38 kf hi tcohen :)
16:38 drojf hi tcohen
16:37 tcohen hi drojf
16:36 drojf :)
16:35 tcohen yeao
16:34 drojf taptap. is this thing on?
16:23 drojf by warning i mean a message like "you are not allowed to see the record somethingsomething only from within the university network" or whatever is applicable
16:22 drojf i'm thinking about redirecting opac-detail.pl for biblios with 942$n==1 to an extra page when opacsuppression is enabled, similar to the redirect to 404 if the record does not exist. the new page should display a warning that can be set in a syspref. does that make sense?
16:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #1282 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 4 days 14 hr ago)
15:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10029 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , CAS authentication fails in OPAC reserve
15:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9998 new feature, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Import/export and compare system preferences
15:59 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10029 - CAS authentication fails in OPAC reserve
15:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9998: (follow-up) use Modern::Perl as per coding guidelines
15:59 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9998: new tool to import/export and compare system preferences
15:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1281: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1281/
15:38 jcamins It is for me.
15:38 jcamins If you enter in an unrecognized barcode, the transaction should get recorded anyway.
15:37 drojf hi #koha
15:37 jcamins Joubu: I have a question about the second small problem you described.
15:31 kf guided_reports_wizard--
15:31 kf more_tests++ :)
15:29 jcamins Joubu++
15:19 jajm ok
15:17 gmcharlt jajm: please go ahead; I need to write some tests regardless of what you do in order to help understand the code
15:09 reiveune bye
14:59 jajm this week too*
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7688 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Change subscriptions numbering pattern and frequencies
14:58 jajm gmcharlt, i will probably have time to write some unit tests for bug 7688 this week. do you plan to work on it this week to? I want to avoid duplicate work :)
14:56 kf jcamins++
14:48 saa hmm
14:48 jcamins saa: that is true. If any of those libraries are interested in sponsoring the feature, they should definitely send an e-mail to the list announcing that.
14:48 saa many libraries need this feature as they are recording loose issues and then further wish to maintain bound volume details
14:47 kf what jcamins said.
14:47 jcamins saa: when someone decides to develop it, or sponsor its development.
14:46 saa when will koha serials module will provide binding issues feature
14:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1281 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 4 days 13 hr ago)
14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10510 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPAC's renew selected link has glitchy icon
14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10524 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Dependency updates to account for liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl
14:44 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10510 - OPAC's renew selected link has glitchy icon
14:44 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10524 - dependency updates
14:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1280: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1280/
14:39 kf gmcharlt++ again :)
14:33 jcamins I just use the masthead circ functionality, since that's what I do when online.
14:32 jcamins Oh, I bet I know why. After I initially added those links, I never used them again.
14:31 jcamins Okay, uploading a new patch.
14:31 Joubu :)
14:31 jcamins It shouldn't possibly work!
14:31 jcamins I wonder why it shows circ when I click that link.
14:31 jcamins We do.
14:31 jcamins Ooh. Yeah.
14:31 Joubu don't we want to show .offline-circulation (instead of hide)?
14:30 Joubu $('.offline-circulation').hide();
14:30 Joubu $('.offline-returns').hide();
14:30 Joubu $('.offline-sync').hide();
14:30 Joubu $('.offline-home').hide();
14:30 Joubu $('#go-to-circ').click(function () {
14:30 Joubu jcamins: I tested quickly the last patch, but it seems I get the same issue. Looking at the code, I think if the problem is not caused by the following:
14:26 jcamins *check things out, sorry
14:26 jcamins I managed to trigger a weird update by starting to check things in before the app cache had finished initializing.
14:23 jcamins Okay, I uploaded a new patch, which changes where it clears the control after checkout. If you had mismatched files, I think (?) the event was getting triggered even when you didn't do anything.
14:19 jcamins Oh, wait. I think I found something...
14:18 * mtompset grumbles about wiki page revisions.
14:17 mtompset Greetings, #koha
14:17 jcamins Though I remember now why I hate using wimpy little VMs for testing things.
14:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10029 - CAS authentication fails in OPAC reserve <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=974ab561ef00e76e7329f61b016b5d6b3103dde7> / bug 9998: (follow-up) use Modern::Perl as per coding guidelines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93aee04405b963a9ed344837f81531e1b56bc3e4> / Bug 9998: new tool to import/export and compare system preferences <http://git.koha-communit
14:17 jcamins It works fine on my new server, too.
14:17 jcamins Thanks.
14:16 Joubu jcamins: I will retry from the beginning :) In order to be sure.
14:16 jcamins I'm trying a new server now.
14:15 jcamins And you're using the latest version of both patches?
14:14 jcamins Hmmm.
14:14 Joubu no
14:13 jcamins Oh. Hehe. Any JS errors?
14:13 Joubu ho yes, there is something doc3, forgot to expand it!
14:12 jcamins Oh... are you logged in?
14:12 jcamins There's no content *at all* in the doc3?
14:12 Joubu jcamins: just leaving another comment. I tested with FF and chromium
14:10 jcamins Joubu: what browser are you using? FF, right?
14:10 kf jajm: thx :)
14:10 jajm kf, new patch submitted to 9044
13:46 oleonard I would probably get rid of the "open in new window" option either way.
13:46 oleonard jajm: I think it's up to you to decide whether converting the menu to links is worth the effort, since you're the one doing the work.
13:38 kf khall: aroundnow? :)
13:36 kf oleonard: no, only YUI, hoping bootstrap will make it no longer necessary
13:35 tweetbot [off] twitter: @shangueh: "Cherche plugin @Omeka 2.2 pour moissonnage car OaipmhHarvester me fait tout planter :( #KohaILS même la 1.1 du svn"
13:33 oleonard kf: The new Bootstrap buttons?
13:33 kf so maybe my gut feeling comes from that
13:33 kf and they told me they are using the link lists all the time now, because they think it's much faster
13:33 kf as the yui pull down buttons are not accessible
13:32 kf we support a library with a blind staff member and I changed a lot of the yui pull downs into link lists for them
13:32 kf bit hard to explain my gut feeling there... that's why I was hoping oleonard would have a good idea
13:32 kf jajm: i totally understand :)
13:31 jajm kf, i just want to be sure rewriting the patch is worth it ;)
13:29 kf merging items?
13:29 kf jajm: the last one would be batch item edit I think
13:28 jcamins gmcharlt: how was ALA?
13:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #1280 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 4 days 12 hr ago)
13:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10510 - OPAC's renew selected link has glitchy icon <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1a1658f020e482abdd35fc8afc04cfcbce91e046> / Bug 10524 - dependency updates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7dd19a3b04a31bec9f1ed733888503f61971302e>
13:26 jajm merge items? compare items? simple batch operations like 'set not for loan' ? ... (i have lot of imagination :D)
13:26 oleonard Yes thanks
13:26 gmcharlt oleonard: did you have a good vacation?
13:25 kf i tried, but couldn't find one either
13:25 kf jajm: noone could come up with a third option so far :)
13:24 * oleonard is trying to imagine what a third action might be
13:23 jajm oleonard, kf: just a question: what if a third action comes in? i don't want to break all the js code now, and rebuild it in a month because 3 links take too much space on the screen
13:22 oleonard gmcharlt++
13:21 oleonard Have we put too many things on your list jajm?
13:21 kf gmcharlt++
13:20 oleonard One minor issue: Instead of "deselect all" it should say "clear all." That's the phrase we use elsewhere.
13:18 kf keep a simple interface as the first view
13:18 kf oleonard: i would like that
13:17 oleonard Roll that into one action? "Activate tools" ?
13:16 oleonard I'm also wondering if we could show/hide the edit controls at the same time that we activate/deactivate the table filter?
13:15 oleonard I like that option the best: text links, no checkbox, open in the same window by default.
13:14 oleonard Ah, I see
13:14 kf what do you think about not having the option?
13:14 jajm oleonard, i think we all agree that checkbox must disappear if we have links
13:14 kf oleonard: true
13:13 oleonard I'm worried that people wouldn't realize that those controls worked together.
13:13 oleonard It seems weird to me to have a checkbox that changes the way links work. Maybe I'm imagining it wrong.
13:13 oleonard I think that if we want to keep the option to open in a new window that it might make more sense to keep the dropdown
13:12 kf oleonard: you can totally hate the idea - I will understand :)
13:12 jajm yes
13:12 oleonard Changing the dropdown to two links, delete and modify?
13:08 kf oleonard: but i'd really like to hear what you think
13:07 kf but my bigger point was the pull down
13:07 jajm oleonard, kf asks me to change the select into links, because there are only 2 options, and this will save one click
13:07 kf oleonard: guess my fault - I asked for simplifying the gui there
13:07 oleonard jajm: Why are you concerned about the 'open in new window' option? Does it not work the way it is?
13:06 kf i think we normally don't ask but just pick the option that makes most sense
13:05 kf then maybe have default not open in a new window?
13:05 kf jajm: aaah
13:05 jajm kf, the problem is, after the batch operation is complete, the 'Done' link redirect to the detail page, so we have the same page opened twice
13:02 kf but if we want to keep, keep it simple
13:02 * oleonard is fixing rebase conflicts to he can test the patch
13:02 kf opening in a new tab
13:02 kf better a checkbox then- i thought have only one behaviour actually
13:01 oleonard No, that sounds awful.
13:01 kf I think it might be annoying if you always have to click
13:00 jajm kf, a default behaviour means there is another behaviour, and a way to use it :) i was thinking of a js dialog that asks "new window?" but js dialog can't have "Yes/No" buttons, only "Ok/Cancel" ...
12:59 druthb o/
12:58 * jcamins dodges another punch.
12:57 jcamins jajm: Myshkin suggests punching the checkbox in the face. He's in a very punchy mood this morning.
12:57 kf oleonard: maybe you could take a look? :) you are the master gui designer! :)
12:56 kf jajm: i am not sure, but maybe it would be a good default behaviour?
12:56 gmcharlt hi kf
12:56 kf hi gmcharlt
12:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, In Discussion , Allow to select items on catalogue/detail.pl and trigger actions
12:56 jajm kf, hi! :) I'm working on Bug 9044, I'm ok for changing the select into two links, but I'm not sure of what to do with 'open in new window' checkbox. what do you think?
12:53 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #134: "<cait> birthday wishes go over crazy bugs :)" (added by gmcharlt at 06:49 PM, May 20, 2011)
12:53 gmcharlt @quote random
12:52 kf maybe :)
12:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10522 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Javascript error on acquisition pages: YAHOO is not defined
12:52 kf morning oleonard :)
12:52 oleonard Whoops, I promised a patch for Bug 10522 yesterday didn't I?
12:32 tcohen morning #koha oleonard
12:31 oleonard Hi #koha
12:18 jcamins Yup. Strawberry, raspberry, and blueberry.
12:15 kf mmh berry cobbler? :)
11:38 jcamins Also, berry_cobbler++
11:38 magnuse yeah cjh++
11:26 jcamins cjh++
11:07 magnuse talking about http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Inventory ?
10:22 Joubu kf: Yes! Even me I didn't understood how it works!
10:18 kf Joubu: it's really a good idea, i got a bit lost when I tried testing it
10:15 Joubu kf: for the wiki page, it's not me, but Sonia :) I just adapt her doc to the wiki. Anyway, she is no here...
10:13 kf Joubu++
10:07 kf khall_away: around?
09:35 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.
09:35 slef @later tell drojf the us compelling its Internet companies to spy for it so indiscriminately. Not sure any us companies are really safe, but in going for yacy, then ixquick then ddg
09:32 * drojf has to leave, see you later #koha
09:31 drojf slef: of course, things can change. i don't see that it has so far, or did i miss something?
09:29 slef drojf: I rememberanother engine claiming its motto was don't be evil. Once bitten...
09:26 drojf but in the end, i have no idea what they really do and if they had an NDAA forbidding to tell that they pump all your search data into the NSA headquarters, i would not know
09:25 drojf slef: ddg has been about privacy from the beginning, they donate to FOSS projects, they even had a focus on privacy for the donations. apart from that they are pretty responsive if you message them and they even run tor stuff. that compared to ixquick, a company i know virtually nothing about… well i prefer ddg ;)
09:19 magnuse have fun cjh
09:19 magnuse cjh: thanks, i'm gonna need it :-)
09:19 cjh time for me to wander off, night #koha :)
09:19 tweetbot [off] twitter: @shangueh: "Pour les autres, suffit juste de compiler wine1.2.2. #winibw #KohaILS"
09:17 cjh magnuse: if you want both opac and intranet is may be quicker remove apache and just have starman serving up everything, if so the wiki article above should be useful. good luck :)
09:16 slef drojf: ;-)
09:16 tweetbot [off] twitter: @shangueh: "Good news ! #winibw fonctionne parfaitement sous Ubuntu 13.04 avec Wine1.4 avec polices EULA TrueType. #KohaILS"
09:16 slef drojf: meanwhile I wonder why ddg is so keen and worry that they followus law
09:14 magnuse cjh: very cool. i'll see if i can test a little and try to get my head around plack at the same time. a project for the summer holiday, perhaps...
09:13 drojf slef: i don't think so, but they seem to have requested to remove startpage or what their other search engine is called as the default from the tor browser bundle. they say they can't handle the traffic which sounds odd to me. not sure if it is not about exactly this (anonymized) traffic really
09:13 slef google doesn't consider disabled users. that isone reason to ignore them
09:11 slef does ixquick block?
09:10 cjh and there is already an intranet config up there (although in my case I have apache serving static files)
09:10 cjh the starman config I used for OPAC was derived from those here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack#opac.psgi
09:10 drojf cjh++ # that looks cool
09:10 cjh magnuse: currently it changes the apache config to forward only opac perl files to starman, it would (in theory) be a matter of changing it to also forward intranet perl files
09:09 drojf slef: like google either sends you to a captcha or blocks you immediately if you got an ip from the tor network.
09:09 magnuse would it be hard to extend it to the intranet, for testing purposes?
09:09 cjh so far my testing has been: does it run on my machine for a single instance :D
09:08 magnuse hehe
09:08 cjh good idea ;)
09:08 magnuse cjh: yeah, and i'll not test it onb production instances to begin with ;-)
09:08 drojf slef: not really. unless you consider "do not block searches from tor" special support.
09:08 cjh (/etc/koha and /etc/apache2)
09:07 cjh magnuse: and also back up all your config files before hand :p
09:07 slef yes
09:07 drojf slef: support by a search engine?
09:07 cjh magnuse: yes
09:07 drojf slef: what do you mean?
09:06 magnuse ah, so just run it as a command line script?
09:06 cjh magnuse: by cloning it and running the koha-plackify command against an instance (after installing deps).
09:06 magnuse cjh: if that git repo can not be turned into a package, how can i test it?
09:06 rangi and then more testing on the intranet
09:05 rangi we plan to get some people running the opac in production soon
09:05 rangi yep
09:05 magnuse we should do lots of testing, then
09:05 slef drojf: does tor need special support?
09:05 magnuse ouch
09:05 cjh plack raises the possibility of very sneaky and possibly very dangerous bugs.
09:04 magnuse 32 bugs found
09:04 rangi as easily
09:04 rangi you cant spot the silent fails
09:04 * magnuse searches bz for plack...
09:04 rangi ie you can spot the server errors
09:03 magnuse yeah
09:03 rangi and there are lots that might not be working but are hard to tell
09:03 rangi there are things known not to work
09:03 magnuse but there are lots of things that do work?
09:03 magnuse rangi: in the sense that there are things here and there that do not work, right?
09:02 magnuse i know, but it would still be interesting to test it
09:02 rangi the intranet still is not fully plack safe
09:02 magnuse ah
09:02 cjh s/teh/the/
09:02 cjh currently only teh opac
09:02 magnuse just the opac, or the intranet too?
09:01 magnuse oh wow, that looks really awesome!
09:00 cjh it will currently take a package and plackify it, but still needs some work to get a debian pacage to build from it.
09:00 magnuse sure
09:00 eythian I hope eventually to integrate it into the packages, though I'd have to have a look to work out the mechanics of doing so.
09:00 * cjh *gulps*
09:00 rangi you can play yourself
09:00 rangi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha-plack.git;a=summary
08:59 magnuse yay!
08:59 eythian magnuse: definitely.
08:59 rangi yep
08:59 magnuse any plans for making that generally available? :-)
08:58 rangi demo.mykoha.co.nz is runnign it now
08:58 rangi it works
08:58 magnuse oh, very cool!
08:58 eythian (basically, he has a package you install on top of koha-common, and it makes things use plack)
08:58 eythian I will have to have a look at it soon.
08:57 eythian moreover, cjh has done some work to that effect.
08:57 eythian magnuse: yes
08:57 magnuse eythian: is enabling package installs to be run easily with plack something you have on your radar?
08:57 slef :-p
08:56 magnuse hehe
08:51 eythian it's the plan, though spending the first month in England may not be the best method of doing so.
08:50 magnuse escape from nz winter?
08:50 magnuse yay
08:50 eythian couple of months
08:50 magnuse staying long?
08:50 magnuse yay
08:47 eythian I am indeed
08:46 magnuse eythian: you are in the european neck of the woods again?
08:46 drojf [off] i wonder if they watermarked the pdf…
08:46 rangi kf: https://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=17092111&WT.mc_id=journaltocalerts
08:46 eythian ...and magnuse :)
08:46 kf [off] ?
08:46 rangi [off] i figured they didn't get it
08:45 magnuse hiya eythian
08:45 eythian hiya wizzyrea, kf.
08:45 drojf [off] scroll, read liblime… :/ but it looks like that worked
08:41 drojf brb
08:41 drojf [off] let me dive into the vpn and check
08:41 rangi [off] ahh cool
08:41 drojf [off] rangi: i think we got university access to that journal
08:39 kf morning eythian
08:38 * wizzyrea waves to eythian
08:34 eythian hello rangi
08:34 rangi morning eythian
08:27 wahanui gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons
08:27 rangi heya gaetan_B
08:27 rangi ^that
08:27 huginn rangi: Quote #171: "rangi: I find proprietary software unethical. So even if it made me coffee and polished my shoes everyday, it would still suck" (added by wizzyrea at 08:10 PM, December 08, 2011)
08:27 rangi @quote get 171
08:27 gaetan_B hello
08:26 rangi they miss the real point for using them
08:26 rangi and from the abstract that seems to reinforce my theory
08:25 rangi my theory is because its not in an open access journal, its unlikely to be a good article
08:23 rangi https://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=17092111&WT.mc_id=journaltocalerts
08:23 rangi anyone have a emerald login?
08:23 rangi i found version 22 really fast
08:23 magnuse yeah, i should get a more powerful computer...
08:23 magnuse for using all my resources and taking forever to shut down
08:20 drojf why?
08:12 magnuse firefox--
07:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10526 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add i18n function to Norwegian mysql files for webinstaller (nb-NO)
07:50 * magnuse needs to figure out what bug 10526 is all about
07:49 kf yep very lucky :)
07:47 magnuse lucky people :-)
07:45 drojf some people call it work :D
07:39 magnuse aww, koha play time...
07:30 drojf nope, after 2pm. got to do other things before and have a meeting 12-14
07:29 kf koha play time? :)
07:28 drojf hi kf :)
07:27 kf good morning drojf :)
07:22 drojf good morning #koha
07:16 kf hi all :)
07:16 asaurat hi
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07:07 christophe_c hello #koha
06:48 magnuse cait: you'll be back :-)
06:47 cait bye all
06:47 alex_a_ coucou magnuse
06:47 magnuse hiya alex_a_
06:43 alex_a_ bonjour
06:39 reiveune salut magnuse , dcook :)
06:39 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
06:39 magnuse @later tell rangi: you mentioned MyTAP once, right? did you ever get my_prove to work?
06:38 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:33 reiveune hello
06:25 cait *grump*
06:25 cait yeah
06:24 magnuse ouch!
06:19 cait and now i forgot to save my template changes
06:19 cait eek
06:17 cait i am optimistic to have fixed the tab display problem
06:17 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (4:00 PM EST on July 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
06:17 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
06:17 cait hm
06:14 wizzyrea wish I coulda gotten out today
06:14 wizzyrea hey that's actually nice.
06:14 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on July 02, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
06:14 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
06:12 magnuse yeah, back to more normal summer weather
06:12 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 13.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on July 02, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
06:12 magnuse @wunder boo
06:01 magnuse guten morgen cait
06:01 cait morning magnuse :)
05:48 * magnuse waves
04:38 cait :)
04:38 druthb hi, cait! :)
04:38 wizzyrea hi cait
04:38 cait good morning #koha
04:35 dcook If I just open it in Excel with a CSV extension, the results are...not good
04:35 dcook I'm coming into this rather late, but...yeah...when I try to use CSV in Excel, I change the extension to .txt then import it explicitly as a CSV
04:34 mtj yeah, my LO is 3.5 - ive been meaning to upgrade
04:34 wizzyrea ihave 4.0.2.2
04:33 dcook Updated to 4.something and worked like a charm
04:33 dcook I was having a terrible time with LO 3.5 the other day trying to make labels
04:33 dcook Versions certainly make a difference
04:33 wizzyrea newest version of LO?
04:33 mtj and mangles my csv files
04:33 mtj gdoc barfs on my LO created .xls and .ods files, too :/
04:32 dcook I heard something about leading zeros..
04:32 mtj yeah, didnt werk for me… :/
04:32 wizzyrea best solution I've seen is "open this in excel (or presumably libre office), mark the column as text, and upload that"
04:32 dcook No wonder today is no fun. All spent on acquisitions and serials...ugh.
04:31 wizzyrea but it still strips them on import
04:31 mtj "Changing the cell format to Plain Text via the Format>Numbers>Plain Text will keep leading zeros."
04:30 wizzyrea open the file in excel and format the column as text
04:30 mtj hmm, a poss. solution -> http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/35526/leading-zeros-in-google-spreadsheet-automatically-removed
04:30 wizzyrea or
04:29 wizzyrea instead of a number
04:29 wizzyrea you tell it to leave that column alone as text
04:29 wizzyrea and when it gives you the dialog box
04:29 wizzyrea is to change the extension to text and import it as a text document
04:29 wizzyrea but the solution for this problem in excel
04:28 wizzyrea I don't even know if this is possible
04:28 wizzyrea right so
04:28 mtj well actually… the leading zeros did get stripped on import, rather than export
04:27 mtj wiz, yep - im sure
04:25 wizzyrea are you sure that it didn't *import* into google docs stripping the 0?
04:23 * druthb cranks on some happy music!
04:22 wizzyrea hrm
04:21 mtj wiz, i looked, and cant see anything even close
04:20 dcook \o/
04:20 * druthb does a little happy dance, having solved a problem that's been bedeviling her for *weeks*
04:19 wizzyrea )
04:19 wizzyrea (a la pink floyd"
04:19 wizzyrea it might have a setting for "leave them digits alone"
04:19 mtj i think google-docs is a complete no-go for framework editing
04:18 wizzyrea stink
04:15 mtj but the data has had all its leading 00's removed :/
04:14 mtj well, the mangled gdocs framework imported *almost* perfectly...
03:59 mtj this patch should also handle any libreoffice csv file, rather than only a text-converted/quote-forced one
03:56 wizzyrea regardless of the reason for it
03:56 wizzyrea I approve of any improvement though
03:56 mtj yep
03:56 rangi for borrower imports
03:56 rangi we already use Text::CSV
03:55 mtj aaah, thats a good suggestion
03:55 wizzyrea eeee therrrr paaaad
03:55 rangi thats almost a reason not to fix it :)
03:55 mtj fwiw, the gdoc versions have lazy quoting :/
03:55 rangi *sigh* google
03:54 mtj ...this fix might handle those mangled gdoc files
03:54 wizzyrea I would be surprised if google docs didn't mangle the files anyway.
03:53 mtj but gdocs mangles the files :/
03:53 wizzyrea errr
03:53 mtj Irma has been wanting to use google-docs to 'collaborate' on koha framework files, for ages...
03:52 rangi and using cpan modules is much better than trying to write a csv parser ourselves
03:52 wizzyrea i'll be straight I've always been disappointed with the framework import, it could be so cool :/
03:51 wizzyrea because easier is better
03:51 wizzyrea oh did you do it?
03:51 mtj and swap the fragile parsing with some better txt::csv stuff
03:50 mtj once i took a look at the code, i thought i might just fix it
03:49 mtj s/patch/path/
03:49 mtj i have been down this patch before, too
03:46 mtj aah, just spotted it (i think)
03:45 wizzyrea )
03:45 wizzyrea (with the cells highlighted
03:44 wizzyrea format cells -> text
03:44 mtj i tried too, but forgot the option...
03:43 wizzyrea hm did you set all of your fields as text?
03:43 mtj there was an option to quote all *text* cells, but that still left nulls and nums unquoted
03:42 wizzyrea save as -> CSV, Edit Filter Settings
03:42 wizzyrea sec
03:42 wizzyrea it's got a weird label
03:42 wizzyrea it's in the save
03:42 mtj sheesh, i tried, but couldnt
03:41 jcamins I don't remember where, but there's a box you can check to quote all cells.
03:41 wizzyrea you have to do only slight gymnastics
03:41 wizzyrea out of LO
03:41 wizzyrea yea, was gonna say, you can
03:41 jcamins mtj: you can get that out of LibreOffice.
03:41 mtj …aaaand the other catch is - afaik no spreadsheet app is capable of creating that 'strict' csv format :/
03:40 wizzyrea ohhh
03:39 mtj the catch is… koha expects the csv file to be completely "," quoted
03:39 wizzyrea dunno that's a pretty big win in my book
03:39 wizzyrea which bug?
03:39 wizzyrea ooooooo
03:39 mtj i've had a slight win this arvo, and fixed the fraglie csv framework import, in koha
02:56 wahanui goldfish scene is probably http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7nBUrYqDwI
02:56 dcook goldfish scene?
02:56 dcook Hmm
02:56 dcook Goldfish scene is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7nBUrYqDwI
02:56 dcook hehe
02:46 jcamins dcook: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7nBUrYqDwI
02:45 dcook Goldfish scene?
02:23 jcamins I love the goldfish scene in West Wing.
02:23 mtompset Yes, a very nice moment. :)
02:14 dcook Just had time to grab it from the porch, put it on the bench, and take off to the bus
02:14 dcook Even though it's tuesday morning sourdough today!
02:14 dcook I was a bit down, as I didn't have time for sourdough toast this morning
02:13 dcook I think that's made my morning
02:13 wizzyrea that's a nice moment
02:13 dcook That moment when you find there is a system preference already and you don't need to make a new customization ^_^
01:54 mtompset Hmmm.... Strange. I can't find RSA.xs on my system.
01:49 mtompset Hmm... oh... I vaguely recally different string types (one's that are and aren't \0 terminated)
01:43 mtompset And I know identical data is sent and received.
01:43 mtompset I'm currently piping output of a php script to my perl script, just for testing.
01:43 mtompset It does seem strange.
01:42 dcook That...sounds distinctly odd
01:42 mtompset I'm confused... why is a private key encrypt followed by a public key decrypt working, but a public key encrypt followed by a private key decrypt not?
01:08 mtompset I be super confused by that.
00:52 dcook hey druthb :)
00:52 dcook But I just made basket #4
00:52 dcook Admittedly, the top one might just be bad data...
00:51 dcook O_o
00:51 dcook but 2 items left? 1 order left?
00:51 dcook 12 quantity
00:51 dcook Or look at that top basket
00:51 dcook Two order lines of 2 and one order line of 1
00:51 dcook There are now 3 order lines for that basket
00:50 dcook So, basket #4 had 5 items
00:50 dcook The original order had 5 items :S
00:50 * mtompset waves back at druthb.
00:49 mtompset dcook: for a moment there, I was thinking items+orders = total of things in the order.
00:46 druthb o/
00:44 dcook The two "received" orders were parts of that original order, but I don't see how that's necessarily connected :S
00:44 dcook What orders?
00:44 dcook 2 orders left?
00:44 dcook There's only 2 items in that order
00:44 dcook 6 items left?
00:43 dcook Basket #4, Orderline #7
00:43 dcook http://imgur.com/JB41Byo
00:41 dcook Plus, they're int he context of a single order
00:41 dcook Yet, the numbers are very strange
00:41 dcook That's how it would seem on the surface
00:40 jcamins dcook: items and orders not yet received?
00:26 dcook When these lines are in a field for a pending order O_o
00:26 dcook What on Earth is meant by "item(s) left" and "order(s) left"?
00:24 dcook Especially in 3.8.0
00:24 dcook Acquisitions is so...grrr
00:18 dcook I haven't played much with public key cryptography, so I'm pretty useless on that score at the moment
00:18 mtompset oh the joys!
00:18 mtompset but I can't seem to decrypt the data.
00:17 mtompset Got it to confirm the signature.
00:17 dcook So fun.
00:17 mtompset I'm attempting to get a RSA public/private key set up working for talking between my PHP and Perl scripts for my external authentication patch.
00:16 mtompset sounds so fun.
00:16 dcook Hey mtompset. Oh, I'm just sitting here looking at endless lists. Not much to notice :p
00:15 mtompset Greetings, dcook. Don't think I noticed you there. :)
00:14 mtompset Good night, tcohen.
00:14 dcook night tcohen
00:14 tcohen night #koha, dinnertime
00:12 mtompset Has anyone used Crypt::OpenSSL::RSA in perl before?
00:10 tcohen i think he almost sure likes beer
00:09 dcook That eythian sure likes to travel..
00:07 * tcohen types too fast for his brain to acknowledge autocomplete failed
00:07 tcohen heh
00:07 tcohen jcamins:
00:07 tcohen oh, thanks kca
00:06 jcamins tcohen: eythian is in Europe now.
00:06 tcohen rangi around?
00:04 tcohen he is
00:03 wahanui i think eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem.
00:03 tcohen eythian?
00:02 tcohen is there a bug for memcached support on packages?
00:01 huginn tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P3, ---, bart.tj, ASSIGNED , Omnibus for unit tests required for all C4 modules
00:01 huginn tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7170 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Remove use of XML::Simple
00:01 huginn tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9812 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Several files shouldn't be exposed or browseable through a URL
00:01 huginn tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9408 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , make test fails on master
00:01 huginn tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8879 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , silence messages from running prove ./t ./xt
00:01 tcohen @query memcached