Time Nick Message 00:00 wizzyrea instagrannies crack me up ;) 00:00 wizzyrea ^ do note, that may not really be a thing. 00:00 wizzyrea well, it is now :P 00:01 dcook hehe 00:01 dcook I remember hearing a conversation in a restaurant about this retired old man who was playing an online game on Facebook, and how he befriended someone in Texas because they guarded each other's castles 00:01 wizzyrea hehehehe 00:02 wizzyrea well things like posting a picture to facebook 00:02 wizzyrea on a phone that's really easy 00:02 wizzyrea on a computer... it's 00:02 wizzyrea take a picture 00:02 wizzyrea transfer it to computer 00:02 wizzyrea open facebook 00:02 wizzyrea try to find picture 00:02 wizzyrea upload picture 00:02 wizzyrea and so on 00:02 wizzyrea on a phone it's 00:02 wizzyrea open facebook 00:02 wizzyrea click post picture 00:02 wizzyrea take picture 00:03 wizzyrea click done 00:03 wizzyrea and it's done 00:03 wizzyrea (substitute your mobile app of choice... facebook is just an example) 00:04 dcook Mmm, very true 00:04 * dcook waves to tcohen 00:04 tcohen hi dcook, #koha 00:04 dcook Speaking of computers...how are your cars doing this morning, wizzyrea? 00:04 wizzyrea OH i need to check them 00:04 wizzyrea it was on generation 20xx something 00:05 * dcook starts his cars back up 00:05 wizzyrea hm best was 159.7 00:05 tcohen hi wizzyrea 00:05 wizzyrea generation 1705 00:05 eythian I still have a giant mountain that they've only crossed 6 times out of 55 generations 00:06 eythian (I forgot to leave it in the foreground when I left, so it ran slowly) 00:06 dcook I would've been interested to see how mine did yesterday 00:06 dcook I think the best was around 180/190 00:06 dcook Today's generation are a bunch of... 00:07 dcook Well yesterday's lot seem like geniuses in comparison to this one 00:07 dcook Generation 3 and the best is only 59. 00:07 dcook 7 00:07 wizzyrea http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9830/44d.png < my current elite 00:07 dcook Oh...yay...finally a better mutation 00:07 dcook Looks bad ass, wizzyrea 00:08 wizzyrea http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6024/mv5.png < was the best one 00:09 wizzyrea they need to have a random mutation for stickier wheels 00:09 dcook That could be handy 00:10 dcook I know there's one for wheel density but I'm not sure how much of an effect that has 00:11 dcook 157...new champ 00:11 dcook I think the wheel density might actually affect the weight which can help with climbing some of those little hills 00:12 wizzyrea I like it when they tumble 00:13 dcook I like it when a dark horse emerges from the back and breaks a record :) 00:18 mtompset M. de Rooy... does he come on IRC at all? 00:18 dcook Yep 00:18 dcook marclr 00:18 dcook marcelr* 00:18 dcook Usually at the normal Europe time 00:20 mtompset code is not tidy... will perltidy fix that? 00:22 mtompset Okay... I have a whole bunch of pod stuff in my Sequence.pm 00:22 mtompset How do I view it? 00:22 dcook perldoc 00:22 dcook I do believe 00:23 mtompset Yep. Thanks, dcook! 00:23 mtompset dcook++ 00:24 dcook As for perltidy, I haven't used it yet but...http://search.cpan.org/~shancock/Perl-Tidy-20121207/lib/Perl/Tidy.pm ? 00:25 eythian perltidy is quite good 00:25 eythian there are corner cases it gets a bit weird, but mostly good. 00:28 mtompset This Sequence.pm is going to be beautiful. 00:28 mtompset koha says we don't care about the CVS tags, so I ignore those warnings in the perlcritic. 00:30 eythian we don't use CVS, they could be dropped 00:31 mtompset Yes, but perlcritic (by default) is looking for some of them. 00:34 mtompset Shoot... just thought of a case i didn't think of before. 00:34 mtompset if I make a field a primary key, it becomes distinct, correct? 00:48 mtompset Making the perldoc prettier now. 00:56 mtompset Hmmm... why does perldoc change my whitespacing? 01:07 mtompset There ... a single space on the front of the line, and perldoc takes my formatting. :) 01:09 mtompset What is the POD before ___END___ all about? 01:11 * dcook waves to cait 01:11 dcook Man...reasons to keep more current than 3.8...all the bugs 01:11 dcook Reasons not to maintain a local fork as well :p 01:19 mtompset DOH! She left just when I was going to greet her. 01:24 eythian mtompset: ah, so it's expecting CVS tags? 01:24 eythian mtompset: yes, primary keys are unique 01:24 mtompset perlcritic -2 01:24 mtompset I ignored those, and moved up to perlcritic -1. :) 01:26 eythian $ perlcritic -1 csvtomarc.pl | wc -l 01:26 eythian 810 01:26 eythian I might not try to clean that up. 01:26 mtompset My code is pretty-ish. 01:27 eythian although the level 5 ones might be good to look at one day. 01:27 mtompset $ perlcritic -1 Sequence.pm | wc -l 01:27 mtompset 5 01:28 mtompset the CVS tags, and some POD before ____END____ thing. 01:28 mtompset -2 is just the CVS tags. 01:28 mtompset -3 through -5... OK. :) 01:28 wizzyrea oooo one of my genetic cars got to 191 01:28 mtompset And my perldoc is pretty. 01:29 eythian what's the message about the CVS tags? 01:30 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Oops... missed the Code is not tidy." (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/96 01:33 eythian I'd exclude that in your .perlcriticrc, it's a useless test these days. 01:35 * dcook dislikes table-based layouts... 01:35 dcook nice one, wizzyrea! 01:37 mtompset I agreed with most of the perltidy tweaks, but it still wants to wrap my variables ugly in one case. 01:38 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Any ideas on how to not wrap my variable list?" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/97 01:39 dcook Ugly seems pretty subjective there 01:40 dcook I used to prefer having all my variables on one line 01:40 dcook But recently, I've been thinking I like them all in the same area on the screen, especially when developing on smaller screens 01:40 mtompset as do I, but I can live with them mashed up to save vertical space. 01:40 dcook Mashed up to save vertical space? O_o 01:41 mtompset I recall a long time ago, I was told by someone that the standard he was required to code to was that no function would be longer than a screen height. 01:42 mtompset listing your variables vertically meant less function code space for him. 01:43 mtompset Of course, this was back in the days of 80x24. ;) 01:44 dcook Right...but I don't see how mashing them up would save vertical space. Stretching them out would save vertical space. In this case, in my mind, mashing up would be taking up more vertical space (while saving horizontal space) 01:44 dcook I don't really care either way though :p 01:45 dcook If that's what perltidy does, that's fine by me 01:45 mtompset mashing them up onto one line. 01:46 eythian mtompset: it's probably because the line is >80 characters, so it's making it shorter. 01:46 eythian That's the right thing to do. 01:46 eythian vertical space is cheap. 01:47 * dcook nods 01:47 mtompset but the $trv variable is wrapping on my screen. 01:48 eythian oh right 01:48 eythian then there's no problem. 01:48 mtompset It's excluding the initial whitespace in the character count. 01:48 eythian no it's not. 01:49 mtompset Oh wait... you're right... 80 wide. 01:49 eythian to be honest, I tend to a) avoid big declarations like that, and b) group them. 01:50 mtompset I'm strange... the list is ordered by use in the routine. 01:50 eythian this isn't C or Pascal, you don't have to pre-declare everything 01:50 eythian erg. 01:50 eythian group them by behaviour at least. 01:50 eythian Or declare them when you need them 01:50 dcook eythian++ 01:52 mtompset the order in the routine is generally grouped by behaviour of sorts. 01:53 eythian declaring at the top is a strange thing to do. 01:54 mtompset You are suggesting my on the fly? 01:54 mtompset (first occurence or scope of use) 01:55 eythian yeah, there's no reason not to. It minimises the scope of each thing, which I think is desirable, all other things being equal. 01:56 mtompset Well, in the case of my wrapping my, that seems like a good way to deal with it. 01:56 mtompset my ( $dbh, $sql, $sth, $rv ); 01:57 mtompset However, that example is just plain small, and the function is small. 02:02 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Okay, so ugly do you think this is? (LONG CODE)" (480 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/99 02:03 mtompset Oops... HOW ugly. :) 02:04 eythian use Modern::Perl means you don't need use strict, use warnings. 02:04 eythian If you really want, I'd put a perlcritic exception in there. 02:05 eythian although I would have expected it to know better. 02:05 mtompset Not the default install that I got working. :) 02:05 mtompset I was just as surprised as you. :) 02:06 eythian creating a db from code seems odd 02:07 eythian I think it should be in the schema file 02:07 eythian in fact, it definitely should. 02:07 mtompset schema file? 02:07 mtompset point me in the right direction, and I'll fix it. 02:07 eythian installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql 02:08 mtompset But what if I want to reset everything without triggering other things in kohastructure.sql? 02:08 eythian truncate 02:09 mtompset And if the tables don't exist? 02:09 mtompset well, table doesn't exist? 02:09 eythian why would it not exist? 02:09 mtompset upgrade for the first time. 02:10 eythian that's not a sentence that makes sense 02:10 eythian are you thinking of what updatedatabase.pl does? 02:10 mtompset I have 3.8.6 ... when this gets into Koha (assuming I've cleaned it up appropriately), sequence wont exist yet. 02:11 mtompset yes, I am thinking of updatedatabase.pl 02:11 eythian right, so it gets added there. 02:11 eythian as well as in the schema file 02:11 eythian arbitrary code shouldn't go round messing with the schema, ever. 02:11 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Database_updates <-- see this 02:14 mtompset okay... so a truncate and insert the two records is what you would expect for reset_everything? 02:15 mtompset What if the table does not exist? --- let's say person who should know better drops that table without thinking. How do you recover from that state? 02:16 eythian you don't. 02:16 eythian they shouldn't do that. 02:16 mtompset does the webinstaller upgrade process ever call kohastructure.sql? 02:16 eythian only when setting up a fresh install 02:17 wizzyrea yea, that should be an extremely rare case 02:17 wizzyrea and, if they do that... they shouldn't have. 02:17 wizzyrea kind of beyond what you should be expected to cope with, imo 02:19 eythian yep, otherwise you end up with git ridiculous situations 02:19 eythian *quite 02:23 * wizzyrea wants to come up with something to make git do when you tell it to "git ridiculous situation" 02:24 mtompset Okay. Actually, I think I'll just DELETE FROM sequence, rather than truncate. the former is friendlier across SQLs. 02:24 eythian fair enough 02:27 mtompset Shrinks the code a tad. :) 02:28 mtompset So, let me see if I got this straight. kohastructure.sql may have duplicate code in updatedatabase.pl? 02:29 mtompset As long as it isn't "rm -rf /", wizzyrea. ;) 02:29 eythian yes 02:30 eythian it's not always the same, as sometimes there are conversions needed 02:30 eythian but for simple stuff it is. 02:30 eythian your file should be in the Koha:: namespace, rather than C4:: 02:30 eythian also, you don't say in the description what it does. 02:31 eythian or rather, it's written from the point of view of someone who knows the context already. 02:31 mtompset sequences. 02:31 mtompset bug 10454 02:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated 02:31 mtompset And .... 02:31 mtompset bug 10478 02:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Do we need a sequential number generator? 02:31 eythian yep 02:31 eythian but I don't know that 02:32 mtompset so that should be in the modules DESCRIPTION? 02:32 eythian sure. So someone looking at it sees that it's useful for generating a sequence of barcodes, and a sequence of borrower card number, and what kinds of rules these sequences have, and so on. 02:33 eythian at the moment there totally no context. 02:33 mtompset Okay, good suggestion. Tweaking. :) 02:36 mtompset Why the Koha name space? 02:36 mtompset Is there a wiki page explaining how to decide? 02:36 eythian that's where we're putting new stuff unless it depends on preexisting code other than C4::Context. 02:37 eythian New code ought to be OO, too, but I don't know how much that's enforced yet. 02:37 mtompset Well, since gmcharlt suggested a class, that's why I coded it this way. I think I got it okay. :) 02:38 eythian oh, it is OO. I missed that. 02:39 mtompset I thought the USAGE parts above each function would have demonstrated that. :P 02:39 eythian err, it's odd thought 02:39 eythian *though 02:39 eythian it doesn't seem to actually have any state 02:40 mtompset Does it really need to have one? 02:40 mtompset I only care about do something with this sequence. 02:40 eythian to start with, the object passed in in all cases except new() isn't a class, so shouldn't be called $class, it should be called $self. 02:41 eythian why would you not give sequence_name to the new() 02:41 eythian ? 02:41 eythian you then get back an object associated with that sequence 02:41 mtompset I suppose I could have. 02:41 eythian that's how OO is supposed to work 02:41 eythian as then you can pass that to things that don't need to know the sequence name. 02:41 mtompset Be gentle. I don't code OO normally. :P 02:42 eythian basically, the object you get from new should represent a sequence more than being an interface to the sequence database. 02:43 eythian You'll have to hit the db for every request anyway, but if someone needs a function that provides the last value that this object provided, it's possible to do that with the state handled properly. 02:44 mtompset sounds like a Class:Accessor might be handy. 02:44 eythian If you want, but it's a very short step from what you've got to make it work properly as it is. 02:44 mtompset true enough... 02:45 mtompset I do appreciate the code review, eythian. 02:45 eythian you just store values in $self (what you're calling $class) and access them. That's all there is to it 02:45 eythian np 02:45 mtompset Basically, if they pass a sequence name in the new, store it as the state. 02:45 mtompset give them set and gets for the sequence name. 02:45 eythian yeah, in the new put it as $self->{seq_name}, and later access it like that. 02:45 eythian Not set 02:46 eythian Probably also have a static function to create a new one. 02:46 eythian you don't need/want to be able to change the name of a sequence. 02:46 mtompset Then the new needs to return undef if they don't pass a sequence name. 02:46 eythian Or die. 02:46 eythian I'd recommend die 02:47 mtompset perlcritic will probably mention something about croak. 02:47 eythian croak is good actually 02:47 eythian you'll also have to handle the sequence not existing. 02:47 eythian Whether you return undef or croak is up to you. 02:47 mtompset true.... all in the constructor. 02:48 eythian I'd probably croak, but I like exceptions. 02:48 mtompset is croak try{}catch{}-able? 02:49 eythian eval { } if ($@) { } you mean 02:49 eythian yes 02:49 eythian it's just like die, but with a stack trace. 02:50 mtompset I use what-is-it? Tiny::Try? 02:50 mtompset I get it backwards sometimes. :) 02:50 eythian ah right 02:50 eythian it's more or less the same 04:29 dcook wb cait 04:30 eythian go to bed, cait. 04:30 wizzyrea morning cait :) 04:30 wizzyrea BEEP BEEP BEEP 04:31 gmcharlt #koha ... once you join, you need never sleep again! 04:32 wizzyrea @quote add <gmcharlt> #koha ... once you join, you need never sleep again! 04:32 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #265 added. 04:32 wizzyrea it's a quoty day 04:33 dcook quotes! 04:39 dcook Made it to 2:40pm before needing headphones. I must not have been thinking hard enough this morning... 04:42 wizzyrea my rhythmbox decided to just not start 04:42 wizzyrea idk what the deal is :( but I miss my daft punk. 04:42 eythian it's probably already running but that process has frozen. 04:44 wizzyrea hm 04:48 wizzyrea no, it's not running. It's busted. :( 04:48 eythian then if you run it from a terminal it might tell you something useful 04:48 eythian if you're lucky 04:48 wizzyrea ya, that's next 04:49 wizzyrea uninstalling and reinstalling for the win! 04:50 eythian that's not supposed to work as this isn't windows. 04:50 eythian if it does, it might be a sign of hardware malfunction. 04:50 wizzyrea ikr. 04:51 wizzyrea well I think I must have borked something in the config when I was piddling around in the preferences 04:51 eythian yeah, but uninstalling it doesn't touch your config at all 04:51 wizzyrea hm. then I got nuthin. Something was angry. 04:52 eythian what'd it do when run from terminal? 04:52 wizzyrea but yay! daft punk! just in time to go home! 04:52 wizzyrea sadly I hadn't done that, because when you suggested it I had just removed it 04:52 wizzyrea so I would have had to reinstall it to run it from the terminal :P 04:53 eythian hmm. 04:53 wizzyrea and after that, it worked again 04:53 eythian I'd run disk and ram tests if I were you. 04:53 mtompset Okay, I'm back at fixing up my code... do I have to include something to make croak work? 04:53 * eythian is never a fan of relying on magic for having things work right. 04:53 eythian mtompset: use Carp; 04:53 wizzyrea would other mozilla apps being in a state of needing restart have messed it up? that's a bit of a long shot I suppose. 04:54 dcook eythian: Is it just me or are you talking more sense than usual today? 04:54 dcook Not that you usally speak nonsense, but you seem especially on point 04:54 wizzyrea he is always full of sense. 04:54 eythian wizzyrea: shouldn't. 04:54 dcook usually* 04:54 wizzyrea eythian is extremely sensible :) 04:54 eythian dcook: I've been slowly manually tweaking a database schema to support timezones today, it's not the most engrossing of things, so it's probably the cause. 04:55 dcook So it wasn't magic, I guess ;) 04:56 wizzyrea hm at some point ubuntu put the U-one and software center back on my launcher. That's annoying. 04:56 wizzyrea I'd expect that kind of thing from microsoft. 04:56 cait morning eythian and wizzyrea 04:56 eythian wizzyrea: that happens when something resets your defaults I think. 04:56 eythian or rather, resets your changes. 04:56 eythian e.g. a corrupt and rewritten config 04:56 wizzyrea hmm. 04:57 wizzyrea these things are probably all related. 04:57 eythian that's where I was going with that :) 04:57 wizzyrea actually my computer has been unusually irritating today 04:57 wizzyrea not it's normal self. so yea, disk checks and so on are probably warranted 04:58 eythian I'd run a disk test overnight, and some other time boot it into a memory test overnight. 04:59 * wizzyrea wouldn't be heartbroken if the stuff on here went away - I don't have a lot local. 04:59 wizzyrea but i'd be less productive for a day or so :P 05:00 * eythian has hourly and nightly syncs to a backup dribe. 05:00 eythian *drive 05:11 mtompset eythian: Seeing as I 05:11 wahanui rumour has it Seeing as mtompset is not at #kohacon12, no questions. :P 05:11 eythian heh 05:11 mtompset am relatively new to OO... 05:11 mtompset could you look at my constructor? 05:12 eythian yeah sure 05:12 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "constructor rework attempt;" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/100 05:14 dcook Note to self: When debugging, make sure you're on the right site. Tabarnac... 05:14 mtompset I'm getting an warning. 05:14 mtompset Can't use string ("Koha::Sequence") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/mtompset/kohaclone/Koha/Sequence.pm line 100. 05:14 eythian mtompset: never cache a database handle 05:15 eythian I also wouldn't cache your data, if it can change in the database. 05:15 mtompset I grab the fresh value for get_next_value 05:15 mtompset the cache of the value is for if an add_sequence call is made. 05:16 mtompset But you have a valid point on the dbh. 05:16 eythian but won't that break if something calls add_sequence on another copy of the object? 05:16 eythian also, your problem is that you don't get $self in to new, you get $class 05:17 mtompset Ah, okay. So $self is my'd in the new(). 05:17 eythian no 05:17 eythian oh 05:17 eythian yes 05:18 eythian then you do 'return bless $self, $class' 05:18 mtompset no oh yes? 05:18 mtompset Right. 05:18 eythian I misunderstood the first time I read your question. 05:19 eythian why are you checking the value on $data->{sequence_name} when it's explicitly what you asked for from the database? 05:20 mtompset sequence table could be empty. 05:20 mtompset don't know why it would be, but it could be. 05:20 eythian you're not testing that case correctly 05:21 eythian "If there are no more rows or if an error occurs, then fetchrow_hashref returns an undef. You should check $sth->err afterwards (or use the RaiseError attribute) to discover if the undef returned was due to an error." 05:21 eythian that's what you want to be doing 05:22 eythian if it's empty, you'll get an error about dereferencing an undefined value. 05:23 mtompset let's say I my $seq = Koha::Sequence->new('thing_not_exist',42); 05:23 eythian I'd also simplify the case: if this sequence doesn't exist, your constructor does one of two things: creates a new one, or fails to instantiate. Either is valid, but ending up with a sort of limbo object seems like the worst option. 05:24 mtompset So, you suggest doing the add_sequence call for non-existent sequences? 05:25 eythian I'm not sure. Either that or bail out. 05:25 mtompset In which case, I need to rename the function _add_sequence, since I don't need to export it. 05:25 eythian if it's expected that sequences will be freely created all over the place, I'd auto-create 05:26 mtompset I'm not sure how freely, but it could become more likely, if we have this functionality. 05:27 mtompset So, if the sequence table is empty, or there is no matching sequence name... what will sth->fetchrow_hashref return? 05:28 eythian > If there are no more rows or if an error occurs, then fetchrow_hashref returns an undef. 05:32 dcook Bug 9801, I do believe I have just busted you. 05:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9801 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , location facet shows even if no locations 05:45 cait yay 05:45 dcook :) 05:45 dcook I should be able to do up a patch for the other one as well 05:52 dcook Hmm, looks like master will take some re-writing.. 05:57 mtompset Okay... *whew* I think I have something -- again. 05:57 mtompset perlcritics nice. 05:58 mtompset I need to fix my internal documentation, but that will be a later task. 05:58 mtompset Okay... let's say I have some nice code that I used to test my class. 05:59 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "How do I make this into a t/Sequence.t?" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/101 06:07 dcook I wonder if my git bz will work. I'm pretty sure that I'm using the fishsoup branch already anyway... 06:07 dcook Or maybe that was my old install.. 06:09 dcook cait: Only 4 lines of code ;) 06:19 cait dcook: the usual :) 06:20 dcook Looks like a lot of those changes I made yesterday aren't particularly relevant anymore in 3.10+ either...hmm 06:21 dcook Oh well. Fewer patches to port across. 06:22 mtompset Well, I should sleep. 06:22 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 06:26 * magnuse waves 06:30 * dcook hopes that cPanel is better than whatever garbage he's currently using... 06:32 * dcook waves to magnuse 06:32 magnuse hiya dcook 06:43 reiveune hello 06:44 dcook salut reiveune, gaetan_B 06:44 magnuse bonjour! 06:44 magnuse @wunder boo 06:44 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 06:44 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:44 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 06:44 magnuse nice 06:57 drojf good morning #koha 07:13 christophe_c hello #koha 07:27 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:27 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 16.1°C (9:13 AM CEST on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 07:27 magnuse @wunder boo 07:27 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 07:27 magnuse hah! 07:27 magnuse :-) 07:27 drojf hehe 07:27 drojf hei magnuse 07:27 magnuse moin drojf 07:35 drojf #koha seems really quiet lately 07:35 drojf or it's just me coming in at bad times 07:36 magnuse everyone is really busy, i think? 07:38 drojf needs signoff: 159. ouch. yes i have that "being busy" problem too 07:38 drojf not fair. want to play with koha :/ 07:46 * magnuse too! 07:46 magnuse and yes that "needs signoff" queue needs some attention 07:47 magnuse i hope more signoffers can be educated during the hackfest in reno... 07:50 drojf that would be great 07:53 * drojf prepares for the laying battery 08:00 paul_p hello #koha 08:01 paul_p yesterday my train was 3H30 late. it's probably my latest train ever ... 08:01 magnuse laying battery? 08:01 magnuse bonjour paul_p 08:01 magnuse paul_p++ for pursuing the DBIC issues 08:06 drojf magnuse: i got a tiny carrel in my university library. a brain laying battery ;) 08:07 drojf paul_p: you obviously do not often use the german train system. 3:30 is nothing ;) 08:08 magnuse huh, what happened to german efficiency and punctuality?!? 08:12 drojf magnuse: it was killed by greed 08:12 magnuse ouch 08:12 magnuse hej Viktor 08:13 Viktor Hi magnuse! 08:14 drojf there is an old ad saying "die bahn kommt" with a german train going through some winter landscape. it's ridiculous what happens nowadays. if a snow flake is in sight there is chaos because of "the worst winter ever!" and everything breaks down. if it's hot, air condition dies and everything breaks down. and so on 08:15 drojf it is "optimized" ;) 08:15 drojf hi Viktor 08:15 Viktor Hi drojf! 08:21 * drojf heads to the library 08:21 drojf have a nice day #koha 08:21 Viktor You too drojf 08:34 ribasushi o/ 08:35 ribasushi gmcharlt: I saw your latest exchange, wanted to throw in some ideas you guys don't seem to have considered yet 08:46 magnuse ribasushi: a bit too early for gmcharlt to be awake, i think 08:51 magnuse welcome back Viktor 08:51 magnuse :-) 08:52 Viktor Thanks :) 08:53 Viktor Curious: Just came back to the computer and ran identify on nickserv to get my nick. How do I look to others before identifying? 08:53 magnuse for me it looks like you just quit and came back 08:54 magnuse i can't see you identifying 09:18 magnuse Oak 09:20 Oak magnuse 09:20 Oak :) 09:20 magnuse :-) 09:20 magnuse @wunder islamabad 09:20 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 31.0°C (2:00 PM PKT on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 09:20 magnuse @wunder boo 09:20 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 09:28 Oak 31 is much better than 42. so, good :) 09:33 magnuse :-) 09:34 magnuse and i prefer 17 over 31, so everyone is happy , it seems :-= 09:34 Oak heh 09:34 magnuse huh s/:-=/:-)/ 09:34 ribasushi magnuse: jailbait! 09:34 ribasushi oh wait... 09:34 * Oak is learning Ruby these days 09:35 ribasushi @wunder aachen, de 09:35 huginn ribasushi: The current temperature in Aachen, Germany is 11.4°C (11:32 AM CEST on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 09:35 ribasushi fml 09:37 magnuse it's warmer noth of the arctic circle than in aachen, then :-) 09:38 ribasushi yes 09:38 ribasushi I love this place, but the weather... ugh 09:39 ribasushi it has to do with being high in the dutch mountain region I've heard 09:39 ribasushi in fact the peak is a bus ride away 09:41 magnuse the peak? 09:42 magnuse zugspitze? 09:43 ribasushi hehe, no that's a diff. country 09:43 ribasushi it's a joke, let me get the actual link 09:43 * magnuse remembers that name from having german in school 09:43 ribasushi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaalserberg 09:43 ribasushi this is the dutch "mountain peak" 09:44 ribasushi highest in their continental part 09:44 ribasushi there is a dutch island in the carribean however, which has a proper mountain (the island was not part of the ,nl until 2000...something) 09:44 magnuse aaahhh... 09:45 ribasushi Zugspitze is a proper mountain in the alps however: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugspitze 09:45 magnuse i was confusing dutch and deutsch or something... 09:46 ribasushi right, it is the highest within germany itself 09:46 magnuse yup, that is a proper mountain :-) 09:46 ribasushi but anyway - Niederrhein is an awesome region, but the weather sucks - would not recommend ;) 09:47 * magnuse takes notes 11:24 Viktor Is it possible to light up a message in the circulation module when returning items of a specific item type? 11:25 Viktor We plan to use an item type to keep track of ILLs and that is the last pice of the puzzle so the librarians don't shelve an ILL-book in their own library. 11:42 samueld hi everybody :-) 11:43 samueld i try to add an option in advanced search (date of creation of the record, based on 940$a (in Unimarc).When i test, i've this error "Can't call method "sort" on an undefined value at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 426. " 11:51 libsysguy @later tell nengard HAPPY BIRTHDAY 11:51 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded. 12:28 oleonard I'm back, #koha! 12:31 Viktor Glad to hear oleonard :) 12:34 magnuse we were just waiting for you oleonard ;-) 12:35 oleonard Well then, you can all get to work now. Carry on. 12:36 Viktor yes sir 12:38 magnuse thanks oleonard 12:43 tcohen morning #koha 12:48 magnuse ¡buenas dias tcohen! 12:58 tcohen ¡*buenos* dÃas magnuse! 13:00 magnuse oops, sorry :-) 13:00 tcohen heh 13:00 druthb o/ 13:02 magnuse \o 13:03 druthb \o/ 13:03 * druthb hugs magnuse 13:03 magnuse yay! 13:03 tcohen magnuse does better in spanish than me in english 13:04 druthb bah! Your English is just fine, tcohen; I've never had any trouble understanding you. 13:04 tcohen hmmm 13:05 tcohen how can u tell? 13:05 magnuse hehe, good question :-) 13:06 tcohen heheh 13:06 druthb The barometer for me is "can I understand you?" Given that I occasionaly have more trouble understanding slef and the kiwis than I do you….your English is quite good. 13:06 tcohen heh 13:09 druthb For the record, I end up in this same conversation with cait a lot. She doubts her English, too, yet I understand her just fine. 13:10 * jcamins has never had this conversation with druthb, apparently. 13:10 druthb :P 13:11 jcamins 'Cause I'm sure I would've told druthb that she was unintelligable. :P 13:11 druthb Oh, I *know* I don't speak English well. When I was in college, my advisor actively discouraged me from taking a foreign language; her precise words were "you just barely speak English." 13:12 magnuse wow 13:12 jcamins lol 13:12 druthb (In retrospect, I acknowledge that she did me a major disservice. But that university won't even acknowledge my existence any more, so I'm not too worried about what they think, these days.) 13:13 oleonard Even if someone's English is imperfect I never care as long as I want to talk to them. 13:13 druthb ^^ Yes, This! 13:13 oleonard That should be a lesson to me when I worry about speaking a foreign language badly. 13:13 oleonard (which is the only way I know how to speak any foreign languages) 13:14 druthb During HostingCon last week, one of my teammates brought someone to me, the owner of a partner NOC in India—and said, "I can't understand him; you've been there, maybe you can help." 13:15 druthb Needless to say, the partner understood this just fine, and was (understandably) deeply offended. But we had a nice conversation, and I later *schooled* my teammate on his bad manners. 13:15 magnuse druthb++ 13:17 oleonard And by "schooled" she means "beat with a stick" for you non-native speakers. 13:17 druthb It was tempting, yes. 13:17 magnuse ah, i suspcted there was some deeper meaning :-) 13:18 druthb If you can't understand someone's accent, that's fine—I get it. Depending on where you're from, the calibration of your ears might be incompatible with their language, even if it's all in English. But don't say crap like that where they can hear you! Geez. 13:18 jcamins [off] Oh, is _that_ why libsysguy is limping and keeps looking up furtively like he feels someone very very tall towering over him? 13:19 druthb [off] Hush, you; he's as tall as I am, and too cute to beat up on. Much. It'd be like abusing a puppy. 13:19 jcamins [off] libsysguy should have obeyed the dictum "do not meddle in the affairs of druthb when she is carrying a big stick and walking softly" 13:20 libsysguy [off] now I have to read back 13:20 libsysguy :p 13:21 libsysguy [off] okay *phew* 13:21 libsysguy [off] I thought I was in trouble 13:21 druthb [off] you think you're *not*? 13:21 libsysguy [off] goes back down the websocket 13:21 druthb [off] Some days, you're just in *less* trouble than others. Have fun with the websockets. 13:22 libsysguy [off] this off thing is frustrating :p 13:22 jcamins Websockets. For when the DOM API just isn't painful enough. 13:23 druthb Those internal dev guys just *love* self-inflicted pain and suffering. I'm gonna start calling them the masochism department. 13:23 libsysguy its true 13:24 libsysguy we're all mad up here 13:24 magnuse ah, but if you know you are mad... 13:24 libsysguy note: mad in the British meaning 13:25 * druthb hands libsysguy his en_US template files. 13:26 libsysguy writes a translation script 13:27 oleonard In my department we're all crazy *and* pissed off. Luckily it's just me, so the damage is minimal. 13:28 libsysguy oleonard is like me, myself, and I 13:32 * druthb groans. 13:32 druthb libsysguy: did you see the lunchish email that just went out. Cajun. >.< 13:33 libsysguy YUM! 13:33 libsysguy ALL THE FRIED THINGS!! 13:33 libsysguy :p 13:33 druthb First Rule of Louisiana Cooking: If it moves on its own power, it is food. 13:34 oleonard Snarf that possum. 13:34 * libsysguy is not going to touch that one 13:34 * druthb waves her pointy stick at libsysguy. 13:34 libsysguy hehe 13:35 druthb Yes, it's a first-world problem that the free-for-all-employees lunch buffet is from a place I don't like much. This *particular* Cajun joint does not impress me much. 13:39 oleonard Mmmmm... free-for-all-employees lunch buffet. 13:39 * oleonard asks the other folks in his department why we don't have that. 13:40 libsysguy druthb by the time lunch gets here it could be the most disgusting thing in the world and I would eat it 13:41 * druthb suggests http://job.listings.cpanel.net/ to oleonard, if he wants the buffet. Tell 'em I sent ya; there are *fat* bounties on some of those seats. 13:42 druthb libsysguy: I know, right? And with Hungry's always being *later*—well, except that one time—it's a torture. 13:44 oleonard My family would break my legs if I told them we were moving to Texas. 13:44 druthb lol 13:44 druthb I get along fine without one of mine... 13:45 libsysguy everybody talks bad about Texas…and while it certainly has its faults in the two areas I dare not talk about, I don't think its terrible 13:46 libsysguy but then again I like hot weather 13:46 oleonard New tourism motto: "Texas! It's not terrible." 13:46 jcamins lol 13:46 libsysguy I was thinking: Texas, its the closest you'll get to hell and still get burned 13:50 druthb libsysguy? 13:50 wahanui i think libsysguy is missing us again.. :) 13:51 libsysguy si? 13:51 druthb I gotta go down to HR…if you've not heard from me in a few hours, mount a rescue mission? 13:51 libsysguy heh 13:51 libsysguy will do 13:51 druthb brave lad. back in a bit. 13:56 tcohen the cpanel guys have overtaken this channel 13:56 tcohen :-P 13:57 libsysguy and there are just two of us 13:57 tcohen you're just too active for us heh 13:57 libsysguy we are pretty chatty around here 14:04 tcohen go delPo! 14:17 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:17 mtompset After yet another git repo corruption, I figured out how to recover nicely! :) 14:20 mtompset Good thing, because I had just done a lot of work, documenting, and modify for sequences. 14:23 mtompset does anyone know how to fix verbatim paragraph issues in POD? 14:27 mtompset What is delPo, tcohen? 14:27 tcohen its a tennis player 14:27 tcohen argentine tennis player 14:27 tcohen del Potro actually 14:28 mtompset The shortening makes sense. :) 14:30 mtompset So, any idea on how to correct this qa unfriendly problem, tcohen? (paste to follow) 14:31 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Output of qa tool" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/102 14:36 mtompset Anyone familiar with how to correct the verbatim paragraph problem? 14:39 mtompset A space?! A single space triggered the error?! 14:46 mtompset Greetings, druthb. 14:47 mtompset Ggreetings, BigRig. 14:47 mtompset Oops. Forgive the typo. :) 14:47 BigRig Greetings all 14:48 mtompset Just a little bit more to go with my patch. Why is there always just a little bit more? 14:49 phred The first 90% of the job takes the first 90% of the time, the last 10% of the job takes the other 90% of the time. 15:04 mtompset Sounds about right. Though I would say 90% say 10% and the last 10% takes 90% 15:05 liw in some projects, the first 10% takes about 900% and the remaining 90% never gets done 15:11 gmcharlt @quote random 15:11 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #264: "<druthb> Grokking someone else's code is still trying to reverse-engineer someone else's brain." (added by wizzyrea at 11:50 PM, June 26, 2013) 15:12 mtompset That's deep, liw 15:12 mtompset I'm doing quite a bit of firsts lately. 15:12 druthb hi, gmcharlt! :D 15:12 gmcharlt hi druthb 15:13 mtompset first enhancement. first time using perlcritic. first time using qa-tool. first time fixing busted git repo. and now... first time delving into javascript code in Koha. 15:13 reiveune bye 15:15 mtompset And though I'd really like to take Marcel's suggestion to fix up the patron entry screen... this is starting to look uglier than I want to deal with. 15:15 gmcharlt don't have to fix everything all at once 15:15 gmcharlt in fact, trying to do so can cause more problems 15:15 gmcharlt except when it doesn't 15:16 gmcharlt (I'm not proposing any universal guidelines here ;-) 15:16 mtompset So, you think submitting the sequence patch, even though it will create skips if someone willy-nilly refreshes, as-is is okay? 15:17 gmcharlt yes -- uniqueness in the face of concurrency matters more; if somebody really cares about getting sequentially assigned barcodes, they can preprint them ;) 15:18 mtompset That sounds more of a programmer perspective than a librarian's. :) 15:19 mtompset did you see the sample stuff I posted on bug 9921? 15:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Needs Signoff , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber 15:19 mtompset It's just testing output thus far. 15:21 gmcharlt mtompset: oh, it can be a librarian's perspective too -- e.g., a lot of library directors I know would just want it to work without having to worry about weird bugs if patrons get registered at the same time at two different branches 15:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #1271 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:28 mtompset anyone familiar with cherry picking? I'd like to reset a file I modified and committed. Would cherry picking solve this? 15:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10336: HoldsQueue.t needs to create its own data <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bfbc646fdd9ca4b90a0bc2751d0faa95d9e93ba1> / bug 10495: set precondition for HoldsQueue test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e51ec5aae50c878bbdca6994361b12d7ba20d0a> 15:32 mtompset gmcharlt: Okay, so if I don't change kohaversion.pl, then how is my patch supposed to work? 15:42 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration -- should it be "git checkout -b fishy origin/fishsoup"? 15:44 chris_n mtompset: try an interactive rebase and remove the line for the patch you committed 15:45 chris_n assuming only that file was touched by that patch 15:45 mtompset git was pretty smart... I just edited the file back to what it was, and it got removed from my patch. 15:45 mtompset Thankfully it was only 2-3 lines of code. 15:45 chris_n heh 15:46 mtompset gmcharlt mentioned in a comment on bugzilla that I shouldn't have kohaversion.pl in my patch, if I recall. 15:47 mtompset chris_n: Do you know anything about including a database change and how the patch is supposed to be done? 15:47 mtompset Oh, were we split? 15:48 chris_n mtompset: its been a while since I've submitted a patch requiring a db change 15:48 mtompset It's my first series of attempts. 15:48 chris_n too long probably 15:49 oleonard Do you have a specific question about it mtompset? 15:50 mtompset what to do with kohaversion.pl 15:50 oleonard You don't include a change to kohaversion.pl. The RM does that. 15:50 oleonard Testers will update it by hand for testing purposes. 15:51 mtompset If I submit a patch without a kohaversion.pl change, then how will upgradedatabase.pl get triggered? -- Ah. 15:51 oleonard mtompset: And you know of the practice of including an XXX dbrev in updatedatabase.pl? 15:52 mtompset Yes. 15:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7368: Followup for columns names in userflags.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2bcec70262ce8127e3755327d4d5261e0e964844> 15:54 mtompset So, did I do it correctly for bug 10454? 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated 15:57 druthb Huzzah! My bosses have a candidate for a second Integrations person! Yayez! 15:57 mtompset Reduced work load? 15:58 druthb yes. There are supposed to be *four* of us. 15:58 mtompset YAY! cheering with you, druthb. :) 15:58 druthb I'm on the in-person interview group for him. His resume looks promising. 15:59 druthb Now, if he fits into this loony bin of an office... 16:20 tcohen anyone with dput experience? 16:29 tcohen has anyone used dput to push cpan2deb generated packages into a local repo? 16:32 pianohacker tcohen: given that nz is still asleep, I don't know if you'll have much luck here 16:32 tcohen :-D 16:32 tcohen thanks pianohacker 16:33 jcamins tcohen: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=release-tool.pl;h=82545cf7d1c130b9f02488095e031a7db41b4896;hb=master#l1173 16:35 * cait waves tiredly 16:36 * pianohacker waves caitly 16:36 druthb Hi, cait! 16:36 druthb :D 16:36 cait hi :) 16:36 cait leaving again shortly 16:36 cait back later 16:36 tcohen thanks jcamins, my problem is dependencies, perl deps 16:36 tcohen suppose I do cpan2deb Koha::Contrib::Tamil 16:36 tcohen how do I push the resulting .deb? 16:38 tcohen bye cait! 16:38 jcamins tcohen: just copy it into incoming. 16:39 tcohen oh 16:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1271: SUCCESS in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1271/ 16:44 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10495: set precondition for HoldsQueue test 16:44 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10336: HoldsQueue.t needs to create its own data 16:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10495 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , t/db_dependent/HoldsQueue.t can fail unnecessarily 16:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10336 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , UT: HoldsQueue.t needs to create its own data 16:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #1272 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:58 mtompset Sorry, tcohen. No dput experience. I have yet to set up a local repo, which would be a nice, next learning curve to leap. 16:59 mtompset DOH! serves me right for answering before reading the entire scroll back. 17:07 tcohen translate.k-c.org is back! 17:08 tcohen we've had a massive power outage 17:08 druthb tcohen++ 17:10 * tcohen is waiting for debmaker.unc to wake up 17:10 tcohen heh 17:15 mtompset tcohen: If you are waiting, does that mean you could look at bug 10454? ;) 17:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Duplicate card numbers may be generated 17:16 * tcohen feels demakers empathy as he wakes just in time 17:20 druthb hm. Patch-pimping. Should it be an offense punishable by the pointy stick, or an offense punishable by the rubberband gun? 17:22 tcohen both druthb! 17:23 pianohacker wait, it's patch pimping time? 17:23 pianohacker bug 10486 17:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC 17:23 tcohen bug 8773 17:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 17:25 pianohacker wtf assignee 17:26 * druthb gets out her double-barrel rubberband guns. 17:27 * druthb zaps mtompset and pianohacker. 17:27 tcohen oops 17:27 * tcohen hides 17:27 * druthb takes aim at tcohen, but misses, since his patch is unassigned. 17:28 tcohen bug 8773 :-P 17:28 mtompset Hey, nothing wrong with patch pimping... My patch could help with bug 9921 and bug 10478. :P 17:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Needs Signoff , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber 17:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Do we need a sequential number generator? 17:29 mtompset It's for the greater good of Koha. :P 17:30 pianohacker she's a madwoman with rubber-band guns 17:30 pianohacker nothing can stop her! 17:31 mtompset Mad, indeed. 17:32 mtompset druthb: tcohen's patch is assigned, just not to him explicitly. :P 17:33 * tcohen wants to create a koha-3.12 repo on koha's ppa 17:33 mtompset There just happens to be an attachment on the bug put up by him. :P 17:34 tcohen i assigned the bug to myself now, but have half of planet earth as shield from druthb's attack 17:34 mtompset Why? Is not the squeeze repo 3.12? 17:34 druthb only until October, tcohen. 17:34 tcohen ooooooooh 17:36 tcohen i want to play with pockets 17:36 tcohen i'll do it with our university's fork anyway 17:36 tcohen i mean, branch 17:44 mtompset which slash is which? Is '/' forward or backward? Is '\' backward or forward? 17:45 tcohen backslash = \ 17:45 tcohen slash = / 18:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1272: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1272/ 18:00 jenkins_koha Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7368: Followup for columns names in userflags.sql 18:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , General staff client typo omnibus 18:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #1273 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1271 2 hr 34 min ago) 18:15 oleonard I wonder if anyone misses the search results tools which are hidden in the CCSR mobile view (selecting results and performing bulk actions) 18:17 oleonard I haven't edited anything out yet, wondering what should be on the table: http://screencast.com/t/motJsRcbFJ 18:19 oleonard I'll ask again when you're not ALL SLEEPING 18:19 oleonard Sorry, did that come out too loud? 18:19 * oleonard bangs some pots and pans in the kitchen 18:24 * pianohacker wakes up 18:25 pianohacker oleonard: seems like it would make sense to make the buttons in the table smaller/only appear on click, but aside from that, it looks good 18:26 mtompset oleonard: All you had to do was say my name (flashback: http://youtu.be/sQgd6MccwZc). 18:26 mtompset you mean the filters and stuff on the left, oleonard? 18:27 chris_n oleonard: making brownies by chance? 18:28 oleonard mtompset: No, I mean the "select titles to..." controls you can see in that screenshot right above the first search result 18:28 oleonard And "unhighlight" and sorting controls too for that matter. 18:30 mtompset Hmm... I was wondering if the 'Place Hold' 'Add tag' etc. could be horizontal, so as to save vertical space, and make more of the second entry visible? 18:30 mtompset You mean the third drop down? 18:31 mtompset I mean second drop down from the top in that main search area? 18:31 oleonard mtompset: Those controls are vertical because if they were horizontal they would either not fit or re-flow badly, not to mention being hard to tap on a small device. 18:32 oleonard (meaning "place hold," "add tag," etc.) 18:32 mtompset makes sense. 18:32 oleonard I'm not talking about the dropdowns at the top at all. 18:32 mtompset DUH... I see it now. 18:33 mtompset The save button seems big to me. 18:34 oleonard The question is: Is it worth it to try to adapt those controls to a smaller viewport, or can we follow the assumption made by the CCSR template that mobile users don't care about that stuff? 18:35 oleonard I tend to believe that we shouldn't hide functionality just because it's a smaller screen, but I thought I'd get more opinions 18:35 mtompset I agree with you. It would be nice to actually keep the functionality while using a smaller screen. 18:35 mtompset Plus, there is vertical scroll, so it isn't too badf. 18:36 mtompset ^badf^bad^ 18:37 oleonard Too bad... It would be so much easier to just hide it all ;) 18:37 mtompset Isn't it always? 18:38 oleonard I wish I new of similar mobile interfaces where someone had come up with solutions for these types of controls (good or bad solutions) 18:40 mtompset How about a tiny button that expands to show the bar, but otherwise is squeezed up just before highlight? 18:42 mtompset Similarly the 'place hold', etc. could be squeezed up into a 'expand for more options'? 18:42 mtompset Feel free to ignore the ideas if they are crazy. :) 18:43 mtompset because when i use smaller screens, I hate scrolling. But if I want functionality, I hate having to switch screen and click different things to get it. 18:47 oleonard Does *any* ILS have a good mobile OPAC? 18:51 oleonard I would have expected WorldCat at least to have attempted a mobile version 18:53 oleonard Oh I see they have a "beta version" that you have to explicitly choose 18:59 mtompset Good is a subjective term based on the user. 18:59 mtompset good? 18:59 wahanui good is the furthest you go back, bad is the furthest you go forward (if those directions make sense) 18:59 mtompset Good? 18:59 wahanui somebody said Good was the furthest you go back, bad is the furthest you go forward (if those directions make sense) 19:07 oleonard mtompset: You say that as if you would not express an opinion because of that subjectivity 19:07 mtompset No, it is an admission of my limitations, not a claim to being above it. 19:08 * pianohacker gets out the anti-pedantry wiffle bat 19:09 mtompset I thought that would have been obvious with my comment about the possibility of ignoring my ideas that I spewed. 19:09 oleonard What libraries have a mobile OPAC? 19:09 oleonard ^ no judgement required 19:12 mtompset That, I do not know. 19:14 oleonard All I seem to find are III OPACs 19:17 jcamins NYPL does not. 19:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1273: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1273/ 19:18 jcamins Queens Library does not. 19:20 oleonard Well congratulations Koha, the bar has been set very low! 19:20 * oleonard slaps some lipstick on this pig and calls it done 19:24 pianohacker jcamins: btw, asked on fb, and from what I can tell, no CO barcode prefix registry 19:36 jcamins pianohacker_sustenance: thanks! 19:36 * cait waves 19:43 oleonard This day has involved a lot of me banging my head against the wall... 19:43 cait oh :( 19:43 cait cookies? 19:43 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 19:44 oleonard I was hoping to use the fixFloat plugin for the search results controls in the OPAC but for some reason it doesn't work there as well as it does in the cataloging interface 19:44 druthb oleonardsnack cookie 19:44 oleonard My attempts to refine it were not successful. 19:46 cait oleonard: bad plugin 19:47 jcamins oleonard: you may have already tried this, but what about the Bootstrap control that does the same? Is that easier? 19:48 oleonard Which one is that? The fixed navbar? 19:48 cait brb 19:48 cait .. booting into windows 19:48 cait ew :) 19:50 mtompset oleonard: Well, even if you bite my head off sometimes, we still love you here. :) Not all days are sucky. :) 19:51 cait back 19:55 oleonard jcamins: Do you mean the fixed navbar? Or something else? 19:55 jcamins oleonard: sorry, yes. 19:55 jcamins Let me find it. 19:55 * jcamins has been writing unit tests. 19:55 * oleonard can't get the fixed navbar to work for some reason 19:55 jcamins In Javascript. 19:55 jcamins For code written in PHP. 19:56 jcamins Actually, I meant navbar-static-top. 19:57 jcamins Sorry. 19:57 pianohacker oh! okay then. Lemme put away the anti-pedantry wiffle bat and get out the PHP self-flagellation device 19:57 jcamins pianohacker: I'm switching to node. Hence the unit tests in JS. 19:58 pianohacker nice! What are you writing in node? 19:58 jcamins Biblionarrator. 19:58 jcamins PHP was PHP once too often. 19:58 pianohacker very cool. What web framework are you using? 19:58 jcamins Express. 19:59 pianohacker bleh, yeah. My old job was ancient PHP interfacing with ancient Java, reading data files written by Fortran. Perl is puppies, kittens and daisies in comparison 19:59 pianohacker Express seems nice though, if it has much in common with sinatara 19:59 pianohacker *sinatra 20:02 oleonard Oh... the fixed navbar is disabled by default for smaller viewports 20:02 oleonard Weird. 20:04 oleonard "Fixed on mobile isn't consistently possible, nor does it behave well—not even on iOS5. You're free to override that if you wish, but we won't be re-enabling until support is improved." 20:04 oleonard That stinks. :( 20:04 jcamins Does static work? 20:05 oleonard Static works, but that doesn't help in this case. 20:05 jcamins Oh. :( 20:07 oleonard And if the clever folks at Twitter haven't figured this one out... 20:07 * oleonard grumbles 20:15 oleonard FWIW, here's the problem with the fixFloat plugin's behavior: http://screencast.com/t/ebbxwVBe 20:23 cait @wunder frankfurt 20:23 huginn cait: The current temperature in Frankfurt / M-Flughafen, Germany is 13.0°C (10:00 PM CEST on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 20:23 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:23 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (10:00 PM CEST on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 20:23 cait chilly :( 20:24 * pianohacker is jealous 20:24 pianohacker @wunder 80401 20:24 huginn pianohacker: The current temperature in Lookout Pointe, Golden, Colorado is 33.3°C (2:24 PM MDT on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 20:24 oleonard Ah well, more tomorrow. Bye #koha. 20:24 pianohacker bye oleonard 20:24 cait bye oleonard 20:26 magnuse @wunder boo 20:26 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 18.0°C (10:20 PM CEST on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 20:26 magnuse w00t! 20:26 jcamins We got an oscillating fan! 20:26 jcamins Well, any floor fan is a huge improvement. 20:27 pianohacker amen to that, I just got one too jcamins 20:30 jcamins @wunder 11375 20:30 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 26.3°C (4:13 PM EDT on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect through Friday afternoon... 20:30 jcamins Of course, when we really needed the fan was yesterday. 20:35 wizzyrea oy that's warm 20:39 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 20:39 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 24.0°C (5:00 PM ART on June 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling). 20:40 mtompset Wow... picking up in the afternoon, it would seem. :) 20:40 cait good morning kathryn ;) 20:40 mtompset Greetings, magnuse jcamins wizzyrea pianohacker tcohen cait. 20:41 mtompset Greetings kathryn 20:41 kathryn morrrrning :) cait mtompset and all 20:41 pianohacker take a breath there pardner 20:41 wizzyrea hi everybody 20:41 pianohacker hello world 20:41 mtompset Nah, I like to say everything all at once and just keep rambling until I pass out from lack of oxygen, pianohacker. :P 20:42 pianohacker are you coming to KohaCon? That would be entertaining to see in person 20:42 mtompset No. 20:42 pianohacker aww 20:42 mtompset If someone will pay for the flight and the stay and the meals, I'll come, but until then... I can't come. 20:43 pianohacker 'tis the minor detail of money :P 20:43 mtompset That is the down side of working for a charitable organization. :( 20:43 pianohacker where do you work for, out of curiosity? 20:44 mtompset [off] I work with Wycliffe Bible Translators of Canada. I was seconded to SIL Asia Area while I was working the Philippines, and am currently on remote assignment to SIL Asia Area continuing the Koha work that I helped start. 20:45 pianohacker very cool. 20:45 mtompset [off] I say this with [off], because WBT and SIL in the same sentence is a PR no-no. Due to high security country issues ... kind of related to the questions I was asking earlier. 20:46 pianohacker heh, gotcha 20:46 mtompset What country are you in again, pianohacker? 20:47 mtompset (I try not to assume, since frequently I could be wrong) 20:47 pianohacker United States. Colorado specifically. I'm a college student working for ByWater over the summer 20:48 mtompset Does the US give a tax credit for charitable donations? 20:48 pianohacker uhhh, I think so, though I'm not sure of the exact legal requirements. Why do you ask? 20:50 druthb mtompset: yes, a tax credit is available for charitable donations in the US. 20:51 druthb You have to make a pretty significant amount of donation and other deductible things before you overcome the standard I-am-a-person deduction. 20:51 mtompset I know that money is tight for students, but do you think you'd miss $0.10/day (~$3/month)? ;) 20:52 mtompset Just pointing out there are ways to help me stay in the Koha community. ;) 20:52 pianohacker Heh. Probably not, mtompset 20:53 mtompset I have had donors give ~$3.00/month in the past and because they gave more than $25/month WBTC issued a receipt. You can donate to WBT US for my project. ;) 20:54 mtompset I mean $25/year. 20:54 mtompset So, I assume (not confirmed) WBT US can sort of work the same. :) 20:54 mtompset druthb: Taxes are certainly something which sucks in general. 20:54 mtompset World Wars kind of are at fault for it. :) 20:57 mtompset New topic: http://youtu.be/YxlXn97rZMY (awesome pringles commercial) 20:57 * tcohen thinks taces are good 20:58 pianohacker tacos? I love tacos 20:59 tcohen s/tac/tax/ 21:00 pianohacker :) 21:00 mtompset taxes are only good, if they are spent on what we expect them to be spent on (education, infrastructure, etc.) 21:01 tcohen oh, that's for sure mtompset 21:01 tcohen sometimes they are used to fix monetary fluctuations too 21:07 mtompset Sadly, corruption knows no geographical boundary. 21:07 tcohen corruption is not the only issue 21:08 tcohen there's also priorities, ideology 21:09 tcohen i guess at the US there will be people that favours medicare, and people that blames it 21:11 mtompset I hope that wasn't NSA punishing tcohen for his views. ;) 21:41 mtompset Hmmm... when is sysprefs.sql called? 21:43 cait installer 21:43 wahanui i guess installer is for updating too. 21:43 mtompset but so is updatedatabase.pl, right? 21:43 mtompset You shouldn't insert the same thing in both places, correct? 21:44 mtompset Or is this like kohastructure.sql and updatedatabase.pl, where the kohastructure.sql is called on a fresh install, so it may need to be in both places? 21:48 pianohacker I believe so mtompset 21:58 mtompset Greetings again, cait. :) 22:05 * mtompset grins, "Nice. I just patched the upgrade process from 3.8.6 to dev to be more smooth." 22:05 mtompset I guess if I submit the patch, I should attempt from earlier and clean up more. What version should I jump back from? 22:09 mtompset Looks like magnuse is the goto person to bug about this. ;) 22:15 mtompset Ah there... wiki pages. 22:17 pianohacker hey libsysguy 22:17 wahanui libsysguy is, like, missing us again.. :) 22:17 libsysguy hey pianohacker 22:17 wahanui I HATE XML 22:17 libsysguy I finally figured out how to not autojoin #bywater…silly nickserv 22:18 trea gratz buddy 22:18 pianohacker haha 22:18 libsysguy pianohacker were you the one taking over the calendar code? 22:18 pianohacker <shiver> 22:19 pianohacker yes... 22:19 libsysguy I didn't know if I could delete my branches on github 22:19 libsysguy I apologize in advance 22:19 libsysguy I started that when I was more naive about Koha…and ambitious 22:19 pianohacker Oh, haha, no worries. Thanks for leaving your code up, it was helpful 22:19 pianohacker One thing I never checked was what you did with the admin interface 22:19 pianohacker the existing code being... a bit of a mess 22:20 libsysguy that code could benefit tremendously from moo 22:20 libsysguy the existing code, If I recall was doing manual date calculations before sekjal and I got ahold of it 22:21 pianohacker among other sins 22:21 libsysguy heh 22:21 pianohacker Moo seems nice though, like Moose without the lumbering size and deathly slowness 22:21 libsysguy yeah, I went to a talk mst gave about it 22:21 libsysguy seems like 66% of moose about about 33% of the costs 22:22 libsysguy a lot of that comes from the Types 22:22 pianohacker very cool 22:34 mtompset Though I don't think a consensus was reached... wasn't there a discussion on the channel about OO classing styles, and moose friendly was positively considered, so as to be portable across various frameworks that exist for doing OO in Perl. 22:34 eythian hi 22:34 wahanui bidet, eythian 22:36 mtompset Greetings, eythian. 23:20 dcook morning #koha 23:23 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 23:23 dcook hey ya mtompset