Time Nick Message
00:04 mtompset But this code issue... is one of those silent log filling kind. YAY! another beast to have been slain. ;)
00:14 dcook IE--
00:46 jcamins Does anyone know how to serialize a Perl data structure with LibXML?
00:57 dcook jcamins: Nope, but that would be a good thing to know, I imagine
00:57 jcamins dcook: apparently it's complicated.
00:57 jcamins I think I'll go with an easier option.
00:57 dcook ? http://phaq.phunsites.net/2012/01/09/convert-a-perl-hash-of-hashes-into-xml-with-xmldumper/
01:00 jcamins Yeah.
01:02 dcook Seems like there are lots of examples going the other way around
01:05 jcamins Well, that's the harder thing.
01:06 jcamins I decided to just use "<$elem>" . $meta->{$key} . "</$elem>"
01:07 dcook What are you using it for?
01:08 jcamins Adding meta-metadata to search results.
01:08 dcook Meta-metadata, eh?
01:09 jcamins Yep.
01:09 dcook Such as?
01:09 jcamins Result number.
01:16 eythian https://github.com/nomad-labs/OjaiClient <-- rangi and maybe others
01:16 eythian (an android library for interfacing with bluetooth barcode scanners)
01:18 rangi sweet
01:18 mtompset jcamins: http://search.cpan.org/~josephw/XML-Writer-0.623/Writer.pm seems simpler, but I don't know how useful that might be.
01:21 jcamins mtompset: I'd prefer not to add any additional dependencies.
01:21 mtompset My thoughts exactly, if you already can cop out with the way you said.
01:23 eythian jcamins: what are you doing that needs this>
01:23 eythian ?
01:25 jcamins eythian: I need the result number to be passed to the XSLT.
01:25 eythian ah right
01:26 rangi i used xml::dumper for my exporting of star ratings
01:28 rangi apropos of nothing :)
01:45 jcamins Does anyone know when $query->referer() won't work?
01:46 rangi IE
01:46 jcamins Of course.
01:46 rangi sometimes
01:46 jcamins I'm okay with that.
01:47 eythian weirdo proxies
01:47 jcamins We already say not to use old versions of IE with the staff client.
01:47 jcamins Weirdo proxies? Bah.
01:47 eythian I've seen it happen.
01:47 eythian Also some people install plugins that supress the referrer information.
01:48 eythian But basically, quite uncommon corner cases.
01:51 jcamins The way we do searching in Koha, short of replacing C4::Search entirely, it looks like the only way to do multiple search-friendly paging is to use the referer.
01:53 rangi one edge case
01:53 rangi the opac is not in public mode
01:53 rangi someone hits a search url
01:53 rangi they get to the login page
01:53 rangi referer i think is messed up at that point
01:54 rangi as its a post
01:54 jcamins Hmm.
01:54 rangi im not sure about that, but something to test
01:55 jcamins Well, this is the staff client, so that's less of an issue for me.
01:55 rangi true
01:55 rangi it might do the same their
01:55 rangi ie do a search, grab the url
01:56 rangi log out
01:56 rangi hit the url
01:56 rangi and see if the referer is ok :)
01:56 jcamins Got it.
01:56 * jcamins will try.
01:56 rangi there too
01:56 rangi :)
01:58 jcamins Yeah, referer is set to the current page.
02:00 jcamins But I think that's a limitation people can learn to live with.
02:00 rangi sweet
02:00 jcamins I mean, if I stored it in the session, it'd get reset anyway.
02:01 mtompset Why would it get reset? If it has been YAMLized into the sessions DB, it will stay for the duration of the session.
02:01 jcamins mtompset: yes, so if you start a new session, it's reset.
02:02 * wizzyrea looks up how much a bluetooth scanner costs
02:02 mtompset Depends on the country, wizzyrea. ;)
02:02 eythian jcamins: store it in the session keyed to a value in the URL
02:02 eythian so you can have multiple search paths in the session at one time
02:02 eythian and it won't break between tabs
02:02 wizzyrea anywhere between cheap and not cheap.
02:03 wizzyrea http://www.barcodesinc.com/socket/part-soc2870-2559.htm < cheaper
02:03 wizzyrea http://www.barcodesinc.com/motorola/part-ds6878-prbu0100awr.htm < not so cheap
02:04 jcamins eythian: I hate to mess up URLs any further.
02:04 jcamins And I think the referer will do.
02:04 wizzyrea oh there's actually one that's more dear than that - 976.50 for a symbol something
02:05 eythian that seems like a lot
02:08 jcamins wizzyrea: http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-1268/Barcode-Equipment/Symbol-LS-3578FZ-Industrial-Cordless-Scanner
02:09 wizzyrea "does not read 2d barcodes"
02:09 wizzyrea that seems less useful.
02:09 jcamins Oh.
02:10 wizzyrea http://www.barcodesinc.com/symbol/part-motds3578-ubk0005r.htm?green=8511FEFA-759F-5B77-99AD-AAD04D3C727B
02:12 eythian I don't think 2D barcodes can scan nearly so easily with a laser bar.
02:13 wizzyrea probably not
02:15 wizzyrea http://www.qrscanner.us/3d-barcodes-2d-barcodes.html < because I had a curious.
02:15 eythian http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/winter-is-coming-warns-jim-hickey/
02:15 wizzyrea snerk
02:17 eythian that barcode article is wrong
02:17 eythian QR codes aren't 3D, and regular ones aren't 2D
02:17 wizzyrea it was my impression that 1d was the usual ones
02:17 eythian yeah
02:17 wizzyrea but I can't tell the difference between examples of 2d and 3d
02:17 eythian there's no such thing as 3D barcodes.
02:17 wizzyrea with my eyes, anyway
02:18 wizzyrea then I am not sure why people sell scanners for them
02:18 wizzyrea must be marketing
02:18 eythian Also, barcodes came about in 1974, not 1988
02:19 eythian qr codes in '94.
02:19 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcode#Example_images ok this is properly helpful
02:19 dcook wikipedia ftw
02:22 eythian I see the high-capacity colour ones around. I think microsoft pushes them. As a result, nothing can read them and no one recognises them.
02:22 wizzyrea snerk
02:23 eythian > A Microsoft Tag is essentially a machine readable web link, analogous to a URL shortening link: when read, the Tag application sends the HCCB data to a Microsoft server, which then returns the publisher's intended URL. The
02:23 wizzyrea apparently there is some marketing around 2D barcodes that are actually 3D
02:23 eythian and that'll be why
02:23 wizzyrea or other way around
02:23 * dcook likes Galen's thansk messages on patches
02:23 eythian if they're 3D they'd have to be in a cube, and would be hard to scan.
02:23 dcook thanks messages too
02:23 wizzyrea we have printers for that now
02:24 jcamins How do you do remainder division in Perl?
02:24 dcook Carefully?
02:24 wizzyrea there does seem to be some expectation that 3D = QR code
02:24 eythian jcamins: %
02:24 eythian wizzyrea: that's totally wrong and by people who don't know anything.
02:25 wizzyrea I didn't say they were right!
02:25 eythian > Unlike 1D and 2D barcodes, the bars in a 3D barcode are read by a scanner that reads the differences in the height of each line.
02:25 wizzyrea just that the confusion exists.
02:25 eythian that, however, is 3D
02:25 eythian well, partially, anyway
02:25 rangi 4d reads them yesterday
02:25 wizzyrea kek
02:26 jcamins Thanks.
02:27 jcamins Wait... I don't need that.
02:31 jcamins Oh, yes I do.
02:32 jcamins Wow. Our search API is absurd.
02:32 eythian someone should rewrite it.
02:33 dcook Ahhh. Booking hotel roomssss!
02:33 * dcook tries to remember the proper spelling of his street...
02:34 dcook Hmm, they really don't like states with more than 2 letter abbreviations...that's...cool
02:37 eythian I dislike it when things require a state at all.
02:45 dcook Hmm, looks like they have a bug on their booking form as well..
04:49 dcook Grrr...it appears that the Kohacon hotel registration page didn't work
04:50 dcook Worst error handling ever..
04:50 dcook Well, maybe not ever...
04:51 * dcook wonders how many other people think they have registrations at the hotel...
05:13 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha.
05:20 dcook 7,118 emails O_O
05:26 dcook hey ya cait :)
05:28 cait hi dcook :)
06:02 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:02 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.6°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
06:03 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
06:03 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (3:30 PM EST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
06:04 dcook I wouldn't mind a few more degrees ;)
06:05 drojf good morning #koha
06:08 dcook hey ya drojf
06:08 drojf hi dcook
06:08 dcook Enjoying the heat?
06:08 dcook Wait...the expression is "hot enough for you?"
06:09 * dcook used to hate when people said that to him...but usually "cold enough for you" with -40 to -60 degree temperatures
06:09 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
06:09 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 19.5°C (7:43 AM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
06:10 drojf that is pretty warm for my area ;)
06:10 drojf at 8am
06:10 drojf unfortunately i miss most of it sitting at work or in the library
06:10 cait drojf: you think that is warm?
06:10 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:10 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
06:11 drojf it is warm for berlin. you live in the south ;)
06:11 * dcook remembers having a distinctly chilly experience last time he was in Berlin
06:11 dcook Mind you, I think it was...October
06:11 drojf that certainly was chilly, and probably wet
06:12 dcook It was cloudy. I think it only rained a little bit though.
06:12 drojf it's supposed to be 28° later today. that is more than i need
06:12 dcook That's a bit toasty
06:12 dcook I'm still debating whether I like "too hot" more than "too cold"
06:13 drojf 35°C for konstanz. ouch
06:13 dcook Growing up in sub-arctic Canada, my closest friends always made the point that you can put on clothes and blankets in the winter
06:13 dcook You can only take off so many things in the summer
06:14 dcook Ouch. That is pretty warm..
06:15 drojf cait: 30°@9am. does that mean hitzefrei or did they get rif of that? i remember when i was young we didn't have school when it was 27 or higher at 10am
06:15 drojf s/rif/rid
06:17 * drojf talks like a grampa :D
06:17 dcook hehe
06:18 dcook There were some young teenagers talking about Instagram on the bus last night
06:18 dcook I kept thinking, "When I was a kid, we didn't have mobile phones and we had to dial up for our internet!"
06:18 dcook Actually...
06:18 dcook I think I might have had high speed internet in my teen years...
06:19 dcook But we used to walk through blizzards to school! Up hills! Both ways!
06:19 * dcook actually lived maybe 300m from his high school...
06:20 drojf lol
06:20 * drojf heads to the shower
06:28 cait heh
06:28 cait yeah too hot for me
06:28 cait wish i could work from home
06:29 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
06:29 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling).
06:29 wizzyrea pleasant, really. but gonna be ugly later this week
06:30 dcook Oh?
06:30 * dcook checks the weather
06:30 dcook Hmm, looks like I'm drying my clothes inside today...
06:30 * dcook misses having a tumble dryer
06:31 * wizzyrea too
06:32 wizzyrea we could have one, we're just cheap.
06:34 dcook Yeah, we're cheap too, hehe
06:34 dcook Also, we don't really have any way of venting the thing
06:34 dcook And I'm skeptical of the dryers that don't vent outdoors...
06:36 * cjh also misses having a dryer
06:36 reiveune hello
06:36 wahanui what's up, reiveune
06:39 * cait never had one so doesn't miss it
06:39 cait :P
06:39 cait bbl :)
06:39 magnuse @wunder boo
06:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
06:40 * magnuse waves
06:41 * cait instantly wants to omve to norway
06:42 drojf magnuse: hot in bodø? :)
06:43 magnuse drojf: nah, perfect :-)
06:44 drojf :)
06:44 dcook 10 degrees perfect?
06:45 dcook You are a trooper, magnuse
06:45 magnuse nope, i just don't like it when it's too hot
06:45 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:45 drojf i wonder what the police state will look like today.
06:45 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 26.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
06:46 drojf i bet people in berlin's center are very happy about police having confiscated their balkonies and force them to keep windows shut
06:46 wizzyrea https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/04/4-simple-changes-protect-your-privacy-online
06:46 drojf …because obama arrives tonight
06:46 wizzyrea eff is recommending people turn off referers
06:47 wizzyrea :(
06:47 wizzyrea :( about the police state.
06:48 drojf i'd like them to not let me enter my office for security reasons ;)
06:49 drojf you have to go into about:config to turn off referers? i got a button for that
06:50 drojf a checkbox really. not sure how i got that though. i had it like forever. next to those to turn off cookies, flash, javascript, java…
06:51 drojf ah right, it's an extension. prefbar.
06:56 magnuse hm, are tt things that show up in translations supposed to have double %'s? like so: %s [%% UNLESS hidden.defined('branchcode') %%]
06:57 Oak @wunder islamabad
06:57 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad Airport, Pakistan is 32.0°C (11:00 AM PKT on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.54 in 1000 hPa.
06:58 dcook wizzyrea: I was wondering why you were :(ing the eff
06:58 dcook :p
07:04 christophe_c hello #koha
07:09 gaetan_B hello
07:10 wizzyrea oh I thought jcamins was talking about hanging something off of referers earlier
07:19 drojf does »sorry, but it took so long to unmount my music player« sound like a valid excuse to be late to a meeting?
07:20 drojf finally. see you later #koha
07:20 dcook I read that as "oh I thought jcamins was talking about hanging himself off...earlier"
07:20 dcook Search.pm isn't THAT bad!
07:44 kf hi #koha
07:47 magnuse hiya kf
07:47 magnuse kf: are tt things that show up in translations supposed to have double %'s? like so: %s [%% UNLESS hidden.defined('branchcode') %%]
07:47 magnuse (i asked that earlier but you were away and it seems like the kind of thing you would know)
07:48 magnuse s/would/might/
07:50 rangi no
07:50 rangi thats just broken
07:50 * dcook is inclined to think the same thing
07:54 kf hm i think %% is how pootle escapes %
07:54 kf but in that case it's probably problematic
07:55 rangi yes
07:56 kf same problem as with \ maybe?
07:56 magnuse anyone know what to do? remove the extra %?
07:56 kf pootle thinks it needs to escape it, but we don't want it to
07:56 kf it might not work, but you can try it
07:57 kf probably you need to rewrite the template to make it not show up in po files
07:57 magnuse gah, precious little time for translating now, let alone testing stuff... :-(
08:04 cjh go magnuse go!
08:05 magnuse :-)
08:05 kf magnuse: if it helps... i probably didn't even notice and translated it wrong
08:05 * kf sighs
08:05 magnuse yeah, that helps a lot! ;-)
08:06 kf :Ü
08:06 kf :P even
08:09 * magnuse wonders what :Ü looks like... someone spitting?
08:12 magnuse "Click to *rewind* the list to" - what does that mean?
08:12 kf that's from the browser thing on the detail page
08:12 rangi what?
08:12 kf i didn't correct it
08:12 kf I just made it translatable
08:13 magnuse next/previous links on search results?
08:13 kf when you have the browser result list thing and open it up to show that browse option, that's the tooltip on the arrows/pages I think
08:13 kf ok, i am not making sense :P
08:16 magnuse ah, got it
09:41 dcook Home time!
10:13 jcamins wizzyrea: ugh.
10:21 kf hm?
10:21 kf and aren't you awake too early?
10:21 jcamins The fact that EFF is recommending to disable referer.
10:31 drojf hi #koha
10:31 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
10:31 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 26.5°C (12:13 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
10:31 kf @wunder Konstanz
10:31 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 29.6°C (12:30 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
10:31 drojf the good thing is, i'm not at the air conditioned library :)
10:31 drojf s/not/now
10:35 kf *hmpf*
10:35 jcamins @wunder 11375
10:35 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 19.4°C (6:20 AM EDT on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
10:35 jcamins Eww. That's not a good sign for 6:30am.
10:36 drojf ouch
10:38 * kf had more at 8.... and it was not a good sign
10:56 kf magnuse: poedit complains if you remove one of the %%
10:56 kf so def a problem
11:08 magnuse ouch
11:57 drojf that is probably a weird question, but geolocation services are usually either "real" gps or using wifi ssids to get a location, right? would it be possible to install whatever hardware locally to have a working geolocation service within a library? (and by "whatever hardware" i mean preferably not a satellite)
11:57 jcamins drojf: I'd think you'd also need to provide some sort of GPS client.
11:59 drojf i was thinking of something like a smartphone as a client
11:59 jcamins Right, I think you'd have to provide a client application for the smartphone.
11:59 libsysguy or HTML5 location services
12:00 drojf leaflet.js is quite easy to handle. works for html5 geolocation at least
12:00 drojf but i'd need a proper signal indoors
12:01 libsysguy drojf: http://maps.google.com/help/maps/indoormaps/
12:01 drojf libsysguy: interesting, thanks. of course i would want that without the google part :D
12:02 drojf but that is basically what i was thinking about, yes
12:02 libsysguy Google is inescapable
12:02 libsysguy I've accepted it :p
12:02 drojf no it's not
12:02 drojf i haven't :D
12:03 jcamins drojf: in that case you're going to need your own client side code, I think.
12:04 drojf i like how "How do indoor Google Maps work?" does not say anything about how it works
12:05 libsysguy I think they mean "how" in a non-technical perspective
12:05 drojf what kind of perspective would that be? that's madness
12:06 libsysguy I would say the "So simple it could be said to a mom" perspective
12:07 drojf are you trying to insult my mother? :P
12:07 libsysguy I did revise "your" to "a" to avoid any "your mom" jokes :p
12:08 drojf ;)
12:08 libsysguy I have to say, I have found AngularJS very interesting
12:09 libsysguy ^^ random sidebar
12:16 kf @wunder Konstanz
12:16 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 32.8°C (2:15 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
12:16 kf thought so :(
12:16 magnuse oh wow
12:16 magnuse that's the kind of temp we had in crete
12:17 magnuse and they were complaining about it being hotter than usual
12:17 magnuse @wunder boo
12:17 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 12.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
12:17 magnuse that's more like it
12:33 chris_n heh => http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/52368854242/writing-unit-tests
12:35 * kf still wants to move to norway
12:43 tcohen morning #koha
12:44 kf hi tcohen
12:44 tcohen hi kf
12:44 tcohen rangi++ # qunitjs
12:59 magnuse kf: yay!
12:59 magnuse @wunder oslo, norway
12:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Holter, Holter, Norway is 24.9°C (2:59 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
12:59 magnuse gotta be northern norway, though!
12:59 magnuse @wunder nesbyen, norway
12:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Nesbyen, Norway is 24.9°C (2:50 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: . Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Steady).
13:00 drojf @wunder tromso, norway
13:00 huginn drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
13:00 drojf @wunder tromsø, norway
13:00 huginn drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
13:00 drojf hm
13:00 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
13:00 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 3.0°C (9:00 AM ART on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
13:00 magnuse @wunder notodden, norway
13:00 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Johan Badensveg, Notodden, Norway is 23.3°C (3:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
13:01 magnuse @wunder TSO
13:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in OHDOT 38-Carroll County Garage, Carrollton, Ohio is 17.8°C (8:31 AM EDT on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
13:01 magnuse @wunder TSØ
13:01 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
13:01 magnuse @wunder tos
13:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Tromso - Langnes, Norway is 11.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
13:01 magnuse there you go drojf
13:02 magnuse @wunder longyearbyen
13:02 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
13:02 magnuse @wunder lyr
13:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Svalbard, Norway is 7.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
13:04 drojf ok i think i prefer 30° over 11 right now. (saying that sitting in climated library with probably ~23° ;)
13:05 drojf @wonder nuuk, greenland
13:05 huginn drojf: downloading the Perl source
13:05 drojf @wunder nuuk, greenland
13:05 huginn drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
13:05 drojf magnuse: where did you get the working codes from?
13:08 magnuse drojf: i googled for e.g. "airport code tromsø"
13:08 magnuse @wunder goh
13:08 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Nuuk, Greenland is 4.0°C (10:50 AM WGST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Rising).
13:09 magnuse @wunder thu
13:09 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Pituffik, Greenland is 2.0°C (9:58 AM ADT on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.27 in 991 hPa (Falling).
13:09 magnuse hehe
13:10 drojf cozy
13:11 kf @wunder Konstanz
13:11 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 34.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
13:11 kf !
13:12 jcamins @wunder 11375
13:12 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 25.3°C (9:06 AM EDT on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
13:14 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
13:14 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is 27.7°C (3:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
13:14 drojf i think it will be nice at the time i leave ;)
13:18 magnuse i talked to some librarians from georgia (the country) last week, and they had trouble searching for records with georgian characters. i said the solution was probably icu indexing (or solr). anyone got any other ideas?
13:18 jcamins ICU.
13:19 jcamins Without ICU, they will not be able to search for non-Roman characters, period.
13:19 magnuse ok, that's what i thought
13:20 magnuse is there a good description somewhere of how to activate that (in an existing installation)?
13:20 jcamins I don't know.
13:21 magnuse i found http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Arabic_records
13:21 jcamins Yeah, I'd search the wiki for ICU, and if you don't find anything, conclude that there isn't.
13:21 magnuse hehe
13:21 magnuse done :-)
13:21 magnuse how does icu work with the packages?
13:22 jcamins You have to turn it on manually.
13:22 magnuse ok, that's what i thought
13:23 drojf [off] oh look, university wifi sucks today, who would have expected that?
13:24 drojf [off] when i try to save my wiki changes is always a great time for the internet to stop working. thanks
13:25 magnuse [off] sounds like perfect timing!
13:40 kf @wunder nyc
13:40 huginn kf: The current temperature in Murray Hill, New York, New York is 24.0°C (9:40 AM EDT on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
13:40 kf @wunder Konstanz
13:40 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 33.4°C (3:15 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
13:44 magnuse kf: getting colder!
13:44 kf not feeling it
13:44 vfernandes hi people
13:44 vfernandes :)
13:44 magnuse hiya vfernandes
13:45 vfernandes i little question: where to put robots.txt file in Koha to block robots?
13:47 magnuse hm, isn't there an example robots.txt somewhere?
13:48 jcamins vfernandes: in the server root. /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs
13:48 vfernandes https://github.com/fredericd/Koha/blob/master/README.robots
13:48 vfernandes need to restart apache?
13:48 jcamins No.
13:49 vfernandes http://catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt/robots.txt
13:49 jcamins Looks fine.
13:49 vfernandes bingbot still active
13:49 jcamins Oh, in that case you have a problem with the syntax, most likely.
13:50 kf or the robot is mean :)
13:50 jcamins Or that.
13:51 jcamins Or you haven't waited long enough.
13:51 jcamins They only check once every few days.
13:51 kf maybe if you kick it out?
13:51 jcamins kf: setting up a firewall seems like a bit much.
13:51 kf ah
13:51 kf right
13:51 magnuse if you just added the robots.txt they might not pick it up until they start a new "session"
13:51 kf forget what I said. it's hot.
13:52 kf oh
13:52 vfernandes let's wait then... :D
13:53 vfernandes thanks kf, magnuse and jcamins
14:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9541: make OPAC login page respect OPAC_CSS_OVERRIDE <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=71b79d59908cd85130afd8600eff0f93fc79b8a9>
14:09 tcohen do we have bootstrap on the staff interface?
14:09 jcamins Yes.
14:09 jcamins Didn't you notice the beautiful buttons? :)
14:10 tcohen yes
14:10 tcohen i thought it was jqueryui thou
14:10 jcamins Nope. Bootstrap.
14:11 * tcohen heads to rewrite the search box using saner code :-P
14:11 tcohen (just a sample one)
14:21 tcohen oh, that's why the search button isn't pretty jcamins? It isn't bootstrap
14:22 jcamins tcohen: Yes, but our standard look and feel is that submit buttons are ugly.
14:24 drojf lol
14:24 jcamins drojf: no, really. I'm serious.
14:28 drojf unique selling point. (i think i learned that word here a few days ago)
14:31 tcohen jajaja
14:32 tcohen is there a bug for that jcamins? or was an RFC?
14:33 jcamins tcohen: no, that's just what Owen said we should do.
14:40 gmcharlt @quote random
14:40 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #68: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" (added by wizzyrea_laptop at 08:17 PM, March 10, 2010)
14:52 drojf bug 6874 is epic
14:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC
15:05 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:06 mtompset Question: which is a better problem? duplicate card numbers or skipped card numbers?
15:06 drojf "This patch is a *followup* to the previous patch" is a great patch description
15:06 drojf hi mtompset
15:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9826 - Missing fields in MARC21 authority framework <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=12874c4cf71c199cc2d383cf26bdcca89220b6bf>
15:06 mtompset Greetings, drojf. Long time no greet! :)
15:06 drojf i don't think you would want duplicate card numbers in any case. but maybe that's just me
15:07 jcamins mtompset: skipped.
15:08 mtompset Okay, because that seems to be the worst case scenario for the patch I'm working on. I'm just running the idea through thought experiments right now. Code will materialize.
15:08 mtompset (that being skipped)
15:09 mtompset but that would require a secondary process stopping for seconds while another one runs.
15:10 mtompset And I think that is very unlikely.
15:13 * drojf leaves
15:23 mveron hi #koha
15:23 kf hi mveron
15:23 kf @wunder Konstanz
15:23 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 34.0°C (5:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
15:23 mveron hi kf :-)
15:23 mveron @wunder Basel
15:23 huginn mveron: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Mulhouse FR, Basel, Switzerland is 33.9°C (4:37 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
15:24 mtompset Greetings, mveron. :)
15:24 mtompset Greetings, kf. :)
15:24 mveron hi mtompset :-)
15:24 kf mveron: close :)
15:25 mveron Yeah, it's hot. But I do not complain...
15:25 mveron kf: Did you see the question about "Sonderkategorien für Notenbibliotheken" on the German list?
15:26 kf yes I did
15:29 * tcohen suddenly loves bootstrap and how the search forms look @koha using it ;-)
15:30 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. :)
15:30 kf bootstrap++
15:30 kf tcohen++
15:30 kf tcohen: working on more autocompletes?
15:31 pastebot "mveron" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "For KF regarding German List" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/70
15:31 jcamins I didn't like Bootstrap autocomplete.
15:31 jcamins I switched to Twitter autocomplete and haven't looked back once.
15:31 kf hm
15:31 kf i thought bootstrap and twitter were related?
15:32 jcamins kf: they are. Twitter realized that the autocomplete they wrote for Bootstrap wasn't good enough and forked it into a separate project.
15:32 mveron Kannst du mal das paste anschauen, ob das vernüfntig klingt...
15:32 mveron http://paste.koha-community.org/70
15:32 kf ;)
15:33 kf wrong window? :)
15:33 jcamins So there's Twitter Bootstrap's autocomplete, and there's Twitter Autocomplete.
15:33 mveron kf: yes...
15:34 tcohen no kf, bug 10471
15:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10471 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Global search input box and button geometry not always consistent (browsers, translations)
15:34 tcohen my first work got stuck when I faced more complex forms
15:35 vfernandes anyone already did an update from 3.0 to 3.10?
15:35 kf no 3.0 installations around here
15:35 kf so not going to have to... andglad :)
15:36 vfernandes I've already done updates from 3.2 to 3.8 and everything worked fine
15:36 vfernandes from 3.0 i've never done
15:36 tcohen vfernandes: we did 3.0.x to 3.8.x
15:36 vfernandes and everything worked fine tcohen?
15:37 tcohen yes vfernandez
15:37 tcohen the upgrade raised several warnings regarding tables already present and such
15:37 vfernandes nice :) so to 3.10 should be smooth too... I hope so :P
15:37 tcohen they where not fatal
15:38 vfernandes this is a complicated migration... a client has a koha 2.2, I've already done the update to 3.0
15:39 tcohen it should work vfernandes
15:40 tcohen my relation with koha starts at 3.0beta2
15:40 tcohen so I nkow nothing about 2.x
15:41 vfernandes tcohen++
15:41 vfernandes :)
15:42 pianohacker tcohen: You're a lucky man. Koha 2.2 was frustrating to deal with
15:46 tcohen i know i'm a lucky guy pianohacker, its my 33th birthday, and i'm being paid to work on FOSS
15:46 jcamins Happy birthday!
15:46 tcohen heh
15:46 tcohen thanks jcamins
15:49 pianohacker tcohen: That's awesome
15:50 gmcharlt tcohen++ # another year!
15:52 jcamins rambutan: do you know anything about how barcode prefixes are assigned to libraries in MO?
15:58 tcohen jcamins: http://snag.gy/njnk2.jpg
15:58 * jcamins likes it!
15:58 tcohen I wasn't sure about removing the labels
15:58 tcohen ISSN: <input>
16:19 gaetan_B bye !
16:20 jcamins Oh, bother.
16:20 jcamins I should have asked Gaetan which university he was visiting.
16:21 pianohacker tcohen: Placeholders are awesome
16:21 pianohacker You using the placeholder attribute?
16:29 vfernandes guys, I'm having a problem with opensuse and apache
16:29 vfernandes Access forbidden: client denied by server configuration: /srv/www/htdocs/
16:30 jcamins Sounds like a misconfiguration. Maybe permissions? I don't use opensuse.
16:32 mveron bye bye #koha
16:33 vfernandes I've linked koha-httpd.conf to /etc/apache2/vhosts.d/
16:33 vfernandes then added a listen 8080 to listen.conf
16:33 vfernandes changed koha-httpd.conf
16:36 jcamins vfernandes: maybe you have to disable the default site?
16:36 jcamins I don't know, though, sorry.
16:42 pianohacker does anyone know of any unimarc/normarc public Z39.50 targets?
16:44 jcamins pianohacker: cat installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/2-Optionel/z3950_BNF.sql
16:44 pianohacker ah! good idea
16:44 pianohacker hopefully some of them work
16:44 jcamins Heh.
16:44 jcamins I think they do.
16:45 jcamins pianohacker: and installer/data/mysql/nb-NO/2-Valgfritt/z3950servers.sql for NORMARC, I think.
16:46 pianohacker which means part 2 is writing equivalents of etc/pazpar2/marc21-work-groups.xsl for unimarc and normarc
16:46 pianohacker thanks for your help
16:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9728: XISBN unit test update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0941f9058fa96818fceaf2515742ab0f4bebbe1>
16:49 kf @wunder Konstanz
16:49 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 33.3°C (6:45 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
16:50 kf *sigh*
16:50 kf bug 10490
16:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules rounds
16:50 kf bug 10490
17:49 * mtompset whistles Happy Birthday while looking at tcohen. ;)
17:49 cait oh is it?
17:49 cait Alles Gute zum Geburtstag tcohen! :)
18:11 jcamins @wunder 11375
18:11 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 23.9°C (2:06 PM EDT on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
18:11 jcamins Well thank goodness for that.
18:12 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:12 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.4°C (8:10 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
18:12 cait getting wind
18:12 cait wonder if we will get a thunderstorm
18:12 cait and the temperature has dropped a bit hm
18:17 nengard @wunder 19030
18:17 huginn nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 21.3°C (2:03 PM EDT on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
18:18 nengard we already had a thunderstorm ... so i guess now it's just light rain
18:19 cait oh i hear thunder!
18:19 cait we really had a super hot day, it will be nice to get some rain
18:20 drojf cait: probably just drums, accompanying the returning sun :P
18:20 cait drojf: meany :)
18:22 * gmcharlt both hands out a foot-gun, and recommends against using it
18:24 mtompset How did you figure out the numbers, jcamins and nengard?
18:24 cait i wish i would get that, but my brain is still overheating
18:25 nengard what numbers?
18:25 nengard that we use for weather?
18:25 nengard those are our postal codes
18:25 pianohacker that's a reaaaaally big foot-gun gmcharlt
18:26 mtompset @wunder L7E 5Y5
18:26 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is 25.2°C (2:26 PM EDT on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
18:26 mtompset Okay, cool.
18:26 nengard :)
18:26 pianohacker @wunder 80401
18:26 huginn pianohacker: The current temperature in Off Trail Travel, Golden, Colorado is 20.9°C (12:24 PM MDT on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
18:26 nengard Off Trail Travel?
18:26 pianohacker I have no earthly idea
18:26 nengard that can't be a town name
18:26 nengard hehe
18:27 nengard oh look ... mine is JAT Observatory
18:27 pianohacker Some travel agency with a weather station on the roof?
18:27 nengard that's new
18:27 nengard it used to just say the town
18:27 pianohacker plus 49% humidity in colorado, good _lord_
18:27 nengard 49 is AWESOME
18:27 nengard we have 87%
18:27 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:27 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.7°C (8:25 PM CEST on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
18:27 pianohacker dips down to 20% in Trinidad, CO where my parents used to live :P
18:27 cait hm still dropping
18:27 pianohacker that will suck the blood from your very veins
18:28 pianohacker @wunder 81082
18:28 huginn pianohacker: The current temperature in Near Trinidad State Junior College, Trinidad, Colorado is 23.9°C (12:28 PM MDT on June 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
18:34 nengard jquery help - how do i hide the Home link on the OPAC:
18:34 nengard $('#breadcrumbs a[title='home']').hide();
18:34 nengard that doesn't work
18:36 pianohacker nengard: change that to $('#breadcrumbs a[title="Home"]').hide();
18:36 wahanui pianohacker: that doesn't look right
18:36 mtompset 87% is horrible.
18:36 pianohacker woah what?
18:37 nengard bingo ... quotes and capitalization :)
18:37 pianohacker nengard: uhhh, accidental bot-murder aside, you have to have different kinds of quotes for the inside and outside, so JS doesn't get confused
18:37 pianohacker yeah
18:38 mtompset $'""'
18:38 nengard i agree mtompset
18:38 * mtompset frowns, "How to generalize the bot murder?"
18:39 mtompset That's like the Philippines.
18:39 pianohacker That's what I'm wondering, what did I do?
18:39 pianohacker wahanui: change that to $()
18:39 wahanui pianohacker: that doesn't look right
18:39 pianohacker does it do interpolation or something?
18:40 pianohacker dolla dolla bills are $
18:46 jcamins pianohacker: it's "change."
18:47 nengard change
18:51 jcamins change something
18:51 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right
18:54 nengard hehe
19:00 gmcharlt wahanui: change your state of being
19:00 wahanui gmcharlt: that doesn't look right
19:00 gmcharlt heh
19:13 mtompset hope and change?
19:13 mtompset Welcome back, tcohen.
19:13 mtompset hope and change
19:13 mtompset change
19:13 * mtompset frowns, "Everyone else gets a bot kill, but me?"
19:14 mtompset hope and change something
19:14 mtompset obama?
19:15 tcohen hi mtompset
19:15 tcohen got home earlier to prepare for family party
19:15 mtompset Everybody! Happy Birthday to you...
19:15 mtompset Happy Birthday, dear tcohen...
19:15 cait tcohen: nice!
19:16 cait Alles Gute zum Geburtstag :)
19:16 mtompset wahanui: change your state of being?
19:16 wahanui mtompset: that doesn't look right
19:17 mtompset It's just not fulfilling when you have to replicate someone elses trigger. :(
19:18 tcohen thanks mtompset cait
19:18 mtompset Ilang taon ba? How old are you? ;)
19:18 tcohen tcohen?
19:18 wahanui you are, like, 122
19:19 cait heh :)
19:19 tcohen actually, 33
19:19 cait btw i was wishing you a happy birthday ;)
19:19 mtompset That should be 132. :P
19:19 mtompset So it is a nice multiple. :)
19:19 bgkriegel Happy birthday tcohen :-)
19:20 tcohen yeah, damm 2-digit base10 representation
19:20 tcohen thanks bgkriegel
19:24 mtompset 112 is you want base 5. :P
19:24 mtompset I mean 114.
19:25 tcohen heh
19:25 mtompset I mean 113... my math is bad.
19:27 edveal jcamins might you be able to help me with an xslt if statement?
19:28 edveal I am trying to customize the xslt style sheet to not display the Availability line if Online Access is present.
19:29 cait edveal: what do you want to check for?
19:29 cait 856? anything additional?
19:29 edveal Yes
19:30 cait what have you tried?
19:30 edveal Not much yet. LOL
19:31 cait well you could take a look at how the detail page checks for existence of tags
19:33 edveal The xslt already checks for it and if it is there it displays content. What I want it to do is then NOT display the "Availability" line.
19:34 edveal So I guess I need to write an additional check in the Availability code to say if this is not present then display this...
19:35 cait yeah if you copy the condition that should work
19:35 jcamins edveal: you can just use a regular if statement. No need for a choose.
19:36 edveal Right that is what I just concluded...
19:36 edveal thanks I will write and test… :)
19:38 pianohacker hahahahahaha
19:38 pianohacker I _just_ put in an xslt:param
19:39 pianohacker to disable availability display
19:39 pianohacker edveal: I retroactively love you
19:39 mtompset Why pianohacker? Why not zx81hacker? or RaspberryPiHacker?
19:41 jcamins pianohacker: interesting choice. Why a param?
19:47 pianohacker jcamins: Ability to disable the display completely for external targets, where it doesn't make sense
19:48 pianohacker mtompset: Long story with my old piano teacher, said it looked like I was at a computer keyboard when I was playing piano. Still don't know what exactly he meant by that
19:48 mtompset Ah, so you do (or at least did) play piano. ;)
19:49 pianohacker Yup! Still do, wonderful way to relax
19:50 jcamins pianohacker: to clarify, I was wondering why you chose to use a param rather than e.g. the absence of something-that-identifies-a-record-that-might-contain-holdings (to allow for availability display with remote targets that might support availability).
19:51 jcamins (there is nothing wrong with using a param, of course)
19:56 pianohacker jcamins: Weeeeell, simplicity, for the most part :) Most of the intended targts don't support items, especially not in our glommed-on XML format, but it seems to me that you would still want to display an "Availability: nada señor" line in the catalog
19:56 pianohacker I'm reusing the stock XSLT, so I had to make some modifications
19:56 pianohacker Including an shim for xsl:import in godforsaken Webkit, that was fun
19:58 jcamins pianohacker: oh, yeah, that bugs me.
19:59 pianohacker which part? I rambled a bit
19:59 jcamins The xsl:import.
20:02 pianohacker urgh, yeah. It's been an unfixed bug in Webkit for a loooong time
20:04 rangi pianohacker: concert at kohacon?
20:05 pianohacker informal, sure ;)
20:06 pianohacker depends on finding a piano that people won't yell at you for playing
20:06 pianohacker ^ a lot harder than you think!
20:06 rangi heh true
20:07 pianohacker at kohacon09, I found a piano hidden in a back room of the conference center after some wheedling, actually :)
20:07 rangi i think we might be able to get the hotel to let us use one
20:07 rangi if we all pile into one of the bars and take it over :)
20:07 pianohacker just don't let them know that librarians are coming
20:08 rangi heh
20:08 cait :)
20:08 rangi id still like to do the communal cooking thing if possible too
20:09 rangi that might be a lot harder to organise
20:10 rangi ok better take these kids to school
20:13 cait communal cooking...mmh
20:33 cait [off] https://blog.mariadb.org/mysql-man-pages-silently-relicensed-away-from-gpl/
20:33 cait [off] guess that's not a good sign?
20:37 jcamins [off] Wait, we thought that MySQL possibly hadn't gone evil?
20:38 gmcharlt [off] it's an excellent sign! /me wouldn't mind making MariaDB or one of its kin the new recommended DBMS for 3.14
20:38 gmcharlt [off] also, I see no reason not to log this discussion :)
20:38 cait :)
20:39 cait i am just always a bit careful when posting links - dunno why :)
20:39 cait i think there is a bug somewhere for some problems with mariadb
20:39 cait would probably be good if some devs would run from it... try to find more. not really an idea how to do it hm.
20:40 gmcharlt cait: that's a good idea
20:40 gmcharlt I will do exactly that
20:41 cait i think jcamins tried to? *nudges him*
20:41 jcamins MariaDB + Plack has an issue where nothing can be deleted successfully.
20:41 jcamins It's an issue.
20:41 jcamins I have not used MySQL on my dev machine in a long time.
20:41 cait ah there he is :)
20:42 jcamins Actually, it's not the deleting. That'll work.
20:42 jcamins What fails catastrophically is moving things into old_* tables.
20:43 gmcharlt jcamins: how much playing around have you doing with sql_mode?
20:43 gmcharlt *have you done
20:43 jcamins None.
20:43 jcamins I'm not even sure what that is.
20:44 gmcharlt jcamins: https://kb.askmonty.org/en/sql_mode/
20:45 gmcharlt upshot is that it's entirely possible that default packages of MariaDB may use a stricter sql_mode setting than default packages of MySQL
20:45 jcamins Both are empty.
20:45 gmcharlt now in the long run, I think we *want* to be stricter
20:46 jcamins Agreed.
20:47 gmcharlt but in the short term, setting the session sql_mode when Koha opens a database connection may suffice for enough backwards compatibility to make the transition as painless as possible
20:47 jcamins If you don't have DEBUG turned on, the issues aren't visible.
20:49 cait mbalmer did some work on identifying mysqlisms
20:49 cait we didn't agree on the solution
20:49 cait but might also be a place to start looking for problemsß
20:49 cait ?
20:49 cait not sure how much mariadb supports of that
20:49 cait it's on the wiki
20:50 jcamins cait: I'm pretty sure none of the problems he identified would get in the way of using MariaDB.
20:50 cait even better :)
20:50 jcamins And, of course, the proposed solution was unspeakably dreadful.
20:50 * cait forgets about it then
20:50 gmcharlt right, backwards-compatibiity is one of MariDB's design points
20:50 cait i didn#t even dare to mention it ;)
20:57 bag afternoon all
20:58 tcohen is it possible to know what commit was a patch built against?
20:59 tcohen bd7e36c563c35cba6a1f35971d31187226f3fabb
20:59 tcohen sorry, this one http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=17558
20:59 wizzyrea look at the parent?
20:59 jcamins tcohen: you could check when files matched were current.
21:00 tcohen i need to rebase those patches
21:00 jcamins tcohen: if you're on the same repo, you could do `git show bd7e36c563c35cba6a1f35971d31187226f3fabb^`
21:01 tcohen oh, the ^
21:01 jcamins wizzyrea: hey, do you know who I'd e-mail at NEKLS to ask about how barcode prefixes are assigned in Kansas? Or, even better, do you know how barcode prefixes are assigned?
21:04 tcohen thanks jcamins
21:06 tcohen If I rebase the stopwords removal patches, should I remove the signed-off status too?
21:06 tcohen conflicts were trivial
21:06 tcohen (absent files that don't need to be deleted again)
21:07 tcohen (and the obvious updatedatabase.pl)
21:09 jcamins wizzyrea++
21:12 cjh wizzyrea++ thanks for that :)
21:13 wizzyrea :D yw
21:14 cait tcohen: should be ok if it was only conflicts and no other changes
21:43 pianohacker Quick question on bug 10320
21:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
21:44 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
21:44 pianohacker Have another patch soon incoming that I developed on some of the same code. It ruffle any feathers if I just leave it dependent on the patch for 10320?
21:45 jcamins pianohacker: that's fairly normal.
21:45 pianohacker Cool. Also, what can I do to help 10320 get pushed?
21:45 pianohacker If the answer is "wait", that's fine :)
21:46 jcamins Probably wait, but I didn't look.
21:46 jcamins Reduce the QA queue so that non-ByWaterian members of the QA team have cycles free to look at it?
21:47 pianohacker Hah! I think I might be doing that at some point this summer, actually, but it depends on other plans :)
22:28 eythian hi
22:32 bag hi eythian
22:33 cait hi eythian :)
22:36 rangi bug 8798
22:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P3, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class
22:37 rangi if someone could eyeball the last patch on there, that i just added
22:37 rangi that would be great
23:06 pianohacker bye all
23:42 jcamins gmcharlt: http://mashable.com/2013/06/17/longest-book-chain/ <-- did you get to see this?
23:42 gmcharlt jcamins: no -- Marlene didn't find out about it until after the fact
23:42 jcamins Awww.
23:43 jcamins Pretty amazing.
23:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10332: further improvements to course reserves tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8743f5aab5e1eb49a138bea155e8b82bcaeaa68f> / Bug 10332: Data could exist in the courses table. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d157179618241f6b3aa5e6cf54ac5cd08cac90f8> / Bug 10332: CourseReserves.t needs to create its own data <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha
23:47 dcook morning #koha
23:47 rangi hi dcook
23:47 dcook hey ya rangi
23:48 dcook Hotel has in fact been booked :)
23:48 jcamins Yay!
23:49 jcamins I booked the hotel a few weekends ago.
23:49 rangi sweet
23:49 dcook Wise move. I probably should've booked it a while ago, but we just had to sort out who was paying what and when.
23:50 dcook Now all that's left is to make the presentation..
23:51 jcamins Heh.
23:51 jcamins Pffft. No problem.
23:53 dcook hehe. It shouldn't be too bad. Just lots to do between now and October.
23:53 * jcamins impatiently waits for his wife to get back from picking up the CSA veggies so that he can make the saag paneer.
23:53 dcook Ooo
23:53 dcook CSA?
23:54 jcamins Community Supported Agriculture.
23:54 dcook Right, I forgot about that..
23:54 dcook Mmm. Saag paneer would be tasty.
23:54 jcamins We're getting cilantro, escarole, purple kohlrabi, romaine lettuce, scallions, baby arugula, and red beets.
23:54 dcook There's a little shop down the road from my house that makes delicious saag aloo.
23:54 jcamins dcook: bet you could get more spinach and potatoes if you bought them uncooked. :P
23:55 jcamins I have to figure out what to do with the cilantro.
23:55 dcook jcamins: I think that's always the case ;)
23:55 dcook Hmm...I think we use cilantro quite a bit
23:55 dcook Although we call it coriander down here
23:56 dcook And arugula is rocket/rockette/roquette
23:56 dcook Took me a while to figure that last one out
23:56 jcamins [off] Shari has trouble telling the difference between cilantro and parsley, so I tend not to get it. Also, herbs are too expensive for me to justify.
23:56 jcamins It's rocket here, too.
23:58 dcook Whoa...really?
23:59 jcamins Yeah, I only started hearing arugula in the last few years.
23:59 dcook [off] She's not the only one. Also, yes. That is so true. Back in Canada, I used to grow my own in old aquariums. Worked really really well. We've started growing some along our sidewalk now as well, since the shops charge ridiculous amounts for herbs.
23:59 dcook Huh...
23:59 gmcharlt and I've never heard anything but arugula ... :)
23:59 gmcharlt "rocket" is a new one on me
23:59 eythian I've never heard of arugula.
23:59 eythian Have heard of rocket though :)