Time Nick Message 00:01 dcook I totally never noticed the "browser", "collections", or "collections_tracking" tables before... 00:02 jcamins What are they? 00:02 wahanui they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :) 00:02 dcook Or "export_format" 00:02 dcook jcamins: No idea 00:02 dcook I assume browser might have something to do with the shelf_browser? 00:03 dcook I see a reference to RotatingCollections.pm 00:03 dcook I figured that might be the case...but not sure that's even a thing anymore 00:03 dcook That might've been an experiment or a lost function? 00:04 jcamins Oh, yeah, broken I think. 00:07 dcook Looks like export_format is for the CSV profiles... 00:09 dcook Apparently there is a "nozebra" table.. 00:26 gmcharlt dcook: that can *very* safely be ignored ;) 00:26 dcook gmcharlt: I was thinking that was the case, as I seem to remember folks talking about removing the Nozebra syspref completely as well. Time to nuke the table? 00:27 gmcharlt most likely, yes 00:31 dcook Hmm. Cool. 02:12 eythian hi 02:20 mtj heya eythian 02:20 wahanui eythian is, like, an expert bot trainer 02:46 mtj any wtgn peeps planning to hang-about for the perlmongers later tonite? 02:49 eythian I don't know if I will, probably not. 02:56 mtj gotcha :) ^^ 03:40 dcook mtj: What's the status of bug 5858? 03:40 dcook Are you waiting for a sign off to your follow up? 03:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Update default MARC21 framework to Update No. 16 (April 2013) 03:42 mtj hey big.d 03:42 mtj hmm, yeah, thats it 03:43 dcook Cool. I'll take a look right now. 03:43 dcook Thanks again for the z39.50 auth search sign off :). Glad to have another set of eyes on that one. 03:43 mtj updated bug with that info ^^ 03:44 mtj np, it worked well :) 03:44 dcook :) 03:58 dcook http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Known_problems 03:58 dcook For a moment, I thought that was in reference to your terminal suddenly switching to French 03:58 * dcook glowers at his internet connection and/or git bz and/or python 03:58 dcook hey cait 03:58 dcook and possibly wizzyrea 03:59 wizzyrea audi-whattie? 03:59 cait hi dcook and wizzyrea 03:59 wizzyrea good morning cait :) 03:59 wizzyrea why are we glowering at me? 03:59 dcook Wha? 04:00 dcook I meant to direct my hey to you as well 04:00 dcook Not the glower :) 04:02 wizzyrea oh 04:02 wizzyrea cool :) 04:11 dcook git bz is waiting for something...but I don't quite get what.. 04:12 wizzyrea ? 04:13 dcook My git bz won't download some patches for some reason 04:13 wizzyrea has anyone ever seen a situation where the due dates for a specific borrower are 0000-00-00 00:00:00 04:13 * wizzyrea finds this problem quite mad 04:13 dcook Can't say that I have.. 04:14 wizzyrea it seems like that shouldn't transpire. ever. 04:14 dcook Although if a person gave Mysql something it didn't like, it would default to that 04:14 dcook Maybe...or maybe that's 1970.. 04:14 wizzyrea hm it would be easy to do that with the "set explicit due date" 04:14 * wizzyrea tests it 04:14 wizzyrea good idea thanks! 04:17 dcook Yeah, if I give it a crazy date, it goes to 0000-00-00 00:00:00 04:17 * dcook glowers more at git bz and then moves on 04:20 * cait wonders what poor git bz has done 04:20 wizzyrea dcook maybe you cleared your cookies? 04:20 wizzyrea for bugzilla? 04:21 * wizzyrea comes up with something nonsensical 04:21 dcook Nah, it's working for bugs that have one small patch 04:21 cait are the patches properly marked in bugzilla as patches? 04:21 dcook But waiting forever for a bug that has two patches of slightly more than small size 04:21 dcook I think so? 04:22 * Oak waves 04:22 dcook Yep, they are both patches 04:22 * dcook waves to Oak 04:22 cait and what#s the command you use? 04:23 dcook git bz apply 04:23 dcook I'm thinking it's either the internet connection or the ssh server 04:24 eythian git bz doesn't use ssh. 04:24 dcook No, but I do :p 04:24 dcook But that wouldn't make sense in this case either... 04:24 dcook Well, maybe it does, I don't know 04:25 dcook I assume other people can apply bug 5858? 04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Update default MARC21 framework to Update No. 16 (April 2013) 04:25 cait can't test right now 04:25 mtj dcook, i can ok 04:26 dcook Hmm, I thought so :/ 04:26 dcook Probably the internet connection. Sometimes I've had it take forever to try to download a patch that's more than a few KB 04:27 eythian that sounds like an issue with MTU discovery 04:27 mtj fwiw, git-bz is alway snappy for me 04:29 wizzyrea me too 04:30 dcook I think I always have some lag, even with small patches 04:30 mtj dcook, curious… is downloading the patch via a manual wget, any faster? 04:30 mtj $ time wget http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=18584 04:32 dcook real 0m7.619s 04:32 dcook user 0m0.032s 04:32 dcook sys 0m0.064s 04:32 mtj meh, acceptable... 04:34 dcook :/ 04:35 dcook Right before it prompts with the option of applying (Y/N), it gets stuck waiting wait4(PID, 04:38 mtj hmm, pass.. :/ 04:38 dcook hehe 04:39 mtj you are using a recent-ish version of git-bz, and python? 04:39 dcook I think so 04:39 dcook eythian is probably on track but not really sure what to do about that 04:40 eythian drop your MTU to 1000, see if it helps. 04:41 dcook I don't think I have access for that :/ 04:42 eythian you just need root on your machine. 04:42 dcook Yep, don't have that :( 04:42 eythian ah, that'll be a problem then 04:42 dcook I have been meaning to set up a separate VM for development though... 04:45 dcook Hmm, and now I can't even download virtualbox... 04:45 eythian maybe you just have no internet 04:45 wizzyrea dcook++ it was the renewal datepicker 04:45 wizzyrea (I think) 04:46 wizzyrea or they fat-fingered the renewal date 04:46 dcook The latter was my hopeful guess 04:46 wizzyrea either way "Although if a person gave Mysql something it didn't like, it would default to that" pointed me in the right direction :) 04:47 * eythian hates on mysql for that stupid behaviour. 04:47 eythian if you don't understand it, you don't just make something up. 04:48 wizzyrea "Grenades! Grenades for everyone!" 04:48 wizzyrea -strax 04:49 cjh sorry what is that behavior? 04:49 eythian give mysql 2013-13-99 and it's likely to stick something like 0000-02-00 or whatever in there. 04:50 cjh heh 04:50 wizzyrea I"m not even sure where it got the 02 from 04:50 wizzyrea there was no 02 in the data >.< 04:50 wizzyrea stupid mysql. 04:50 cjh well 13 gives 3 - 1 = 02, simple >.> 04:50 cait wizzyrea: i have seen that happening for invalid dates in serials 04:50 * wizzyrea blinks 04:51 cait not sure why it does happen tho :( 04:51 eythian nah, it's always 02 04:51 eythian I don't know why 04:51 wizzyrea mark the date. 04:51 wizzyrea properly, so mysql doesn't puke 04:51 wizzyrea :) 04:51 * wizzyrea expects eythian will have the answer to that tomorrow 04:51 * eythian doesn't want to know 04:52 wizzyrea hehehehe 04:53 wizzyrea giving mysql an invalidly formatted date is <reply> http://24.media.tumblr.com/8ad2e9bc39ba46722bfbf79da08ff2f7/tumblr_mn2w6f9nXX1rukjygo1_1280.jpg 04:54 dcook 0000-02-00? 04:54 wahanui -2 04:54 dcook That's a special branch of special 04:54 dcook Can't say I've seen that yet 04:54 dcook 1970-01-00 or something like that I have seen... 04:54 eythian in mysql, 0000 or 00 for a date part means "don't care" 04:54 dcook wizzyrea: hehe 04:54 eythian I still don't know where the 02 comes from though 04:55 wizzyrea the result was Checked out to <patron>, Last renewed 24/05/2013, Due back on 02/00/0 04:55 wizzyrea and a very excruciatingly irritating error on issue 04:58 wizzyrea possibly this is a better description of what mysql does in that situation: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/37618858.jpg 05:00 dcook Wait...so mysql said 0000-00-00 or 0000-02-00? 05:00 wizzyrea mysql said 0000-00-00 00:00:00, koha said 0000-02-00 05:00 * cait has to boot into windows - ew. 05:00 dcook Interesting.. 05:00 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 05:00 wizzyrea when it wasn't exploding with grenades 05:03 dcook Grenades! 05:03 dcook It does make you wonder where that 02 comes from.. 05:03 * dcook tries to remember what he was thinking about before grenades 05:04 * dcook also thought that one of the bugs in bugzilla was assigned to Jim Jarmusch 05:04 dcook Definitely belated monday today.. 05:13 mtj git-bz :) 05:14 dcook :( 05:15 mtj dcook, my mtu is 1500, fwiw 05:15 mtj # ifconfig |grep en0 05:15 mtj en0: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 05:16 eythian 1500 is ethernet MTU 05:16 mtj ok 05:17 mtj dcook, is your mtu 1500, too? 05:17 dcook Well, I don't have en0, but yep, mtu is 1500 05:17 mtj ah, you recommend dropping to 1000 eythian.. 05:17 dcook Except for loopback 05:18 mtj meh, ok.. 05:18 eythian yes, if it's an MTU path discovery issue, that tests it. 05:18 eythian quite possible someone has some broken firewalling somewhere. 05:25 * dcook is intrigued 05:26 mtj oops... 05:27 mtj hmm, now what was the previous topic :/ 05:29 mtj i'm quite surprised to find the channel's topic changable! 05:29 AmitG hi 05:29 AmitG Srdjan Jankovic around? 05:31 AmitG @bug10209 05:31 huginn AmitG: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 05:32 mtj hi AmitG, Srdjan -> papa 05:32 mtj bug 10209 05:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amit.gupta, Needs Signoff , The ability to order multiple copies of the same item, from different fund classes, on the same order number 05:32 papa yes 05:36 AmitG Papa around? 05:36 AmitG heya mtj 05:36 papa sure always :) 05:37 AmitG papa: i have recreate the patch can you look.. 05:37 * mtj waves to AmitG and papa 05:40 AmitG @wunder Bangalore 05:40 huginn AmitG: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 22.0°C (8:30 AM IST on June 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. 05:41 AmitG @wunder Delhi 05:41 huginn AmitG: Error: No such location could be found. 05:41 AmitG @wunder Dehli 05:41 huginn AmitG: Error: No such location could be found. 05:41 AmitG @wunder Mumbao 05:41 huginn AmitG: Error: No such location could be found. 05:41 AmitG @wunder Mumbai 05:41 huginn AmitG: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0°C (10:40 AM IST on June 11, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 05:41 AmitG @wunder Delhi India 05:41 huginn AmitG: Error: No such location could be found. 05:41 AmitG @wunder Dehradun 05:41 huginn AmitG: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 24.0°C (8:30 AM IST on June 11, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa. 05:47 * magnuse waves 05:47 magnuse @wunder boo 05:47 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on June 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 05:49 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:49 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 11, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 05:50 gmcharlt @quote random 05:50 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009) 05:50 gmcharlt g'night 05:58 magnuse sleep tight gmcharlt :-) 06:00 AmitG heya magnuse 06:01 magnuse hi AmitG 06:05 dcook "emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced" is a weird syspref 06:06 dcook It sends an email either to the KohaAdminEmail or to the email address of the library of the user that places the hold 06:06 dcook But it should send an email to the library that holds the item 06:06 dcook But that's only possible if the hold is for a specific item 06:07 dcook In the case where it's "next available", there's no way to send an email until the moment when a library staff member is presented with the screen "Hey, you should transfer this book because it's on hold" 06:07 dcook Which makes the whole syspref kind of backwards O_o 06:14 dcook On the plus side, finally was able to reproduce a different bug ^_^ 06:23 drojf good morning #koha 06:30 christophe_c hello #koha 06:36 reiveune hello 06:48 * cait-m waves 06:53 drojf hi cait-m 06:53 drojf cait-m: teaching? 06:53 cait-m hi drojf 06:53 cait-m soon, but not yet 06:54 drojf i guess training is the right word in english ;) 06:54 cait-m wish me luck? :-) 06:54 drojf oh you are startung today? i thought you did it already yesterday 06:54 drojf *starting 06:55 drojf good luck :) 06:55 cait-m just travelling yesterday 06:56 cait-m bye :-) 06:56 drojf i see. have fun :) 07:00 asaurat hi 07:50 magnuse @later tell jcamins: could/should the " Work-in-progress patch for:" patch on bug 10240 be obsoleted? 07:50 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 08:01 magnuse @later tell gmcharlt: thanks for the heads up on bug 10218, i have added it to my todo list 08:01 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 08:29 gaetan_B hello 08:29 wahanui what's up, gaetan_B 11:08 drojf hello again ;) 11:09 magnuse moin drojf 11:09 drojf hei magnuse 11:11 drojf brb 11:12 drojf why would the font in pidgin suddenly change without me doing anything? :( 11:22 jwagner morning 11:33 magnuse g'day jwagner 11:33 magnuse drojf: because it can? 11:33 jcamins magnuse: it could and has been. 11:36 magnuse jcamins: yay. i hope i can find some time to look at it, if no one beats me to it (feel free, folks!) 11:56 drojf magnuse: but why can it? :/ 11:58 magnuse drojf: to keep you entertained ;-) 11:58 drojf :( 11:58 jcamins drojf: it dares do all that may become an IM program. Who dares more is none. 11:59 drojf lol 12:02 drojf [off] how do i explain to librarian people that it takes more than "step by step instructions" to do computer things? 12:03 jcamins [off] Send them a bill to be paid up front for the production of said video? 12:07 drojf [off] hehe. my library uses custom packages atm until things we use are part of koha. i tried to explain that it is a lot of work to document how to build the packages (in words they understand) and it should not be neccessary to do it anyway once the patches are in koha. i also doubt someone who is unable to setup the build environment is able to understand what it actually does and step by step instructions stop working once the smallest problem c 12:08 drojf [off] let alone nobody here is ever going to write a patch for koha once i am gone 12:09 tcohen morrrning 12:09 tcohen #koha 12:09 drojf hi tcohen 12:09 * tcohen is kinda lazzzzy today 12:10 drojf tcohen: i thought that was my job 12:10 tcohen heh 12:10 tcohen latam filial maybe? 12:11 tcohen s/filial/subsidiary/ 12:12 jcamins I am using more than half of the 1TB external hard drive I bought a month ago. 12:14 jcamins That's kind of extraordinary. 12:15 drojf i thought the nsa saves all your stuff now? :P 12:15 jcamins Sure, but they're a bear when it comes to retrieval. 12:17 drojf lol 12:17 drojf i bet they use MARC for all that metadata ^^ 12:17 jcamins That'd explain the latency. 12:34 oleonard Hello #koha 12:34 drojf is there a reason why &SimpleSearch is exported twice from Search.pm? 12:34 drojf hi oleonard 12:34 jcamins drojf: it's twice as important as anything else in C4::Search. 12:34 jcamins (no) 12:34 drojf :D 12:35 drojf but we better keep it for backwards compatibility :P 12:40 tcohen where should I put some style stuff for the OPAC? 12:40 tcohen opac.css? 12:40 wahanui opac.css is a great place to start... 12:41 jcamins Probably. What are you trying to do? 12:41 tcohen I want to make the minus/plus links in adv search feel like links 12:41 jcamins Yeah, opac.css. 12:41 tcohen thanks 12:42 tcohen i'll check there isn't already a bug for that heh 12:42 oleonard Thanks tcohen that's a worthwhile improvement 13:03 tcohen Bug 10444 13:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10444 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , In advanced search(more), [+] and [-] should behave like links on hover 13:18 tcohen any reference to the sort-string-utf.chr file syntaax? 13:18 jcamins It might be somewhere on IndexData's website. 13:39 oleonard Well, that was an inappropriately long time to discover I typed "=" when I should have typed "=="... 13:40 tcohen you're not listening the right music while reading the code oleonard 13:41 oleonard Oh is that it? Is there a list somewhere? 13:41 tcohen rangi had one, I'm just listening Air 13:45 drojf oleonard: it took me about that long to use the right PERL5LIB directory and see everything just works 13:54 tcohen jcamins: should I set encoding utf-8 on top of the sort-string-utf.chr file? looks like we don't do it in en 13:55 jcamins tcohen: I don't know, but that sounds like a reasonable idea. 14:02 gmcharlt @quote random 14:02 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #140: "<oleonard> That's why I'm the only one with a flying car. I just didn't figure anyone else would be interested." (added by gmcharlt at 12:39 PM, June 03, 2011) 14:02 * oleonard has no idea where that comment came from 14:03 jcamins oleonard: someone opted not to share a patch they wrote, I imagine. 14:03 tcohen hi gmcharlt 14:03 gmcharlt hi tcohen 14:03 * drojf changes libraries 14:04 jcamins postfix? 14:04 wahanui postfix is, like, found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html 14:06 tcohen what's wrong with the SASL stuf? 14:07 jcamins tcohen: it's not necessary if you're not allowing any sort of non-local mail sending. 14:09 tcohen with anyone get angry if I post a followup for the 'es' stuff for zebra that add ru and uk too to Makefile.PL? 14:09 tcohen i'll fill a new one 14:17 tcohen bug 10447 14:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10447 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Language definitions for 'ru' and 'uk' are not available during install 14:20 tcohen git bz? 14:20 wahanui well, git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL 14:21 gmcharlt opinions are slightly divded :) 14:21 * tcohen always forgets how to send two patches to koha-patches 14:21 jcamins gmcharlt: apparently so. 14:21 wahanui apparently so is just after fa 14:21 tcohen does anyone know what happened to attach -e ? 14:21 jcamins Nothing? 14:21 wahanui Nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though 14:21 jcamins Is that a trick question? 14:22 gmcharlt tcohen: it works for me 14:22 gmcharlt just did, not even five minutes ago 14:22 tcohen it didn't for me yesterday and today, maybe tomorrow :-P 14:35 jcamins tcohen: did you mention more than one bug in the commit messages? 14:35 jcamins If you mention more than one bug you have to specify the bug number. 14:36 tcohen you're talking about my loose use of git send-email? 14:36 jcamins No, git bz attach -e. 14:36 jcamins If you mention more than one bug in the commit message, this command will fail: git bz attach -e HEAD 14:37 jcamins Instead you have to do: git bz attach -e 10405 HEAD 14:37 * oleonard didn't know it was an option to not include the bug number 14:38 tcohen oh, i never used that feature jcamins, I always do git bz attach -e 10405 HEAD 14:39 tcohen its just that there's no 'Obsoletes' sentence 14:39 jcamins Oh, in that case the problem is... 14:39 jcamins @excuse 14:39 huginn jcamins: My excuse for today is "LP0 is on fire" 14:40 oleonard Good one. 14:40 tcohen heh 14:41 tcohen Oh, I guess its my fault: the bug didn't contain a patch, but a .chr file 14:44 tcohen proof: if attachment.get("ispatch") == "1" 14:44 tcohen didn't think of that because @excuse 14:44 tcohen @excuse 14:44 huginn tcohen: My excuse for today is "LP0 is on fire" 14:44 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 14:44 oleonard My excuse for today? 14:45 * oleonard shrugs 14:45 jcamins wahanui: my excuse for today? 14:45 wahanui no idea, jcamins 14:49 drojf excuse? 14:49 wahanui drojf: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down. 14:53 tcohen added a followup for ccsr oleonard ([+]) 14:59 bigbrovar_ anyone here experienced with setting ldap with koha.. I have everything setup.. here is my ldap config http://pastebin.com/7neL1AKF I just want ldap to update user passwords through compare. My ldap server allows for anonymous bind.. problem I have is when I create a user on koha.. it takes a long time before that user is about to authenticate on ldap.. I have to keep restarting and restarting the server before the user can authenticate 15:00 bigbrovar_ then after a while the user starts to authenticate .. but if the users ldap password is changed.. same process of waiting and takes awhile before the change is reflected in koha 15:00 pianohacker hello 15:01 jcamins bigbrovar_: I am not sure what that could be, but that sounds bizarre. 15:13 bigbrovar_ jcamins: u can say that again. can u please take a look at my config to see if am doing anything wrong http://pastebin.com/7neL1AKF 15:14 jcamins I can't really help, sorry. 15:14 jcamins I avoid LDAP. 15:20 bigbrovar . 15:24 tcohen @wunder wellington, nz 15:24 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (3:00 AM NZST on June 12, 2013). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 15:25 bigbrovar jcamins: could u please have a look at my ldap config for koha to see if I might be doing something wrong http://pastebin.com/7neL1AKF 15:25 jcamins I can't really help, sorry. I don't use LDAP with Koha. 15:34 tcohen can we fix this oleonard? http://snag.gy/ipB0f.jpg 15:35 tcohen If you give me a hint i can work on it, np 15:35 oleonard Fix what? 15:35 wahanui Fix is probably going to be something else 15:35 tcohen oh, that long line on the search box 15:37 oleonard It has to do with the amount of space the tabs take up. 15:37 oleonard I don't think it's possible to make them match exactly in all languages 15:37 tcohen thats en! 15:38 oleonard I know. If you could fix it for en, what would you do for es, or de? 15:39 tcohen what language makes it work fine? 15:39 oleonard It isn't perfect in any language. 15:42 reiveune bye 16:00 tcohen oleonard, it had to do with a fixed 500px lenght of the borrowerautocomplete input field 16:00 tcohen seems fixed in master 16:01 tcohen bug 10406 16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10406 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove obsolete CSS related to YUI autocomplete 16:02 tcohen i was about to fill a bug for it! 16:06 jcamins gmcharlt: I seek advice on the creation of the C4::Supplier::Contact object. 16:06 jcamins Actually, not so much advice, as feedback on whether you have a preference for how I submit changes. 16:07 gmcharlt jcamins: go ahead 16:08 jcamins As RM would you prefer that I implement the object initially by populating it from the data already in aqvendors (or whatever the table is called), and submit that as a standalone patch with a subject something like "Vendor contacts should be refactored," or should I just go ahead with the new table from the get-go? 16:09 jcamins C4::Bookseller::Contact, rather. 16:09 gmcharlt those poor magazine sellers, left out in the cold 16:09 gmcharlt (thinking) 16:09 jcamins The first method is exemplified somewhat in this: http://git.cpbibliography.com/?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=acqui/supplier.pl;h=f39a327091393e69d88ae9a96ec8203ee1a4729d;hp=df417c09347930e64937cb8afbcdf42e8e028b03;hb=2a7557e6d10d8764b061c9be7a10261281f6f3d3;hpb=acd4b21c91f4b06a6e19cafb4b9a6dd2817ad8e9 16:11 gmcharlt jcamins: if I understand the question correctly, ideally I'd like the submission to be a patch series, e.g., (1) new module + changes to use it (2) new table creation (3) updatedatabase logic to move the legacy contacts over 16:12 gmcharlt i.e., each patch self-contained, but they'd be pushed as a branch 16:12 gmcharlt does that answer your question? 16:12 jcamins Yes. 16:12 jcamins I wasn't sure if you'd like 1 and 2 combined or not. 16:12 gmcharlt I prefer them separate 16:13 jcamins Thanks. 16:24 melia talljoy here? 16:24 talljoy yes 17:15 tcohen Is "Price of book" correct in the overdues report? Shouldn't it be "Price of item" (or "material")? 17:18 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:18 pianohacker tcohen: There's very little about that report that's correct 17:19 pianohacker wait, I don't see what you're talking about 17:19 pianohacker and hi mtompset :) 17:19 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker. :) 17:20 gmcharlt tcohen: hence http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=1cf55d9381418aeeb0895f6d99add957acc7bcfd 17:21 pianohacker that would be why! :) 17:22 tcohen heh 17:23 druthb o/ 17:24 tcohen i wont pick it unless someone really needs it anyway 17:25 mtompset Greetings, tcohen gmcharlt. :) 17:25 tcohen hi mtompset 17:25 gmcharlt hi mtompset 17:28 mtompset Hmm.... I'm pleased to be making progress on my SAML authentication project. :) Just wondering if patron extended attributes would be a good place for storing the authentication source (i.e. authenication from OpenID or Corporate Website or Koha DB). Any ideas? 17:29 tcohen specific field in borrowers 17:30 mtompset I'd like to do as little DB schema changes as possible. 17:31 mtompset The extended attributes seems to be a way to extend the DB without changing the schema on a forward basis. 17:31 mtompset borrower_attributes 17:37 tcohen but are designed so the librarian can touch them 17:38 jcamins mtompset: they would not be a good place, no. 17:39 jcamins Unless you're envisioning the librarian choosing which authentication method should be used for each account. 17:39 mtompset That's what I am thinking. 17:39 mtompset The problem is not every account will have been created in Koha, some will be created having authenticated from an external source. 17:39 mtompset That's the scenario I'm pondering. 17:41 mtompset That's why I am thinking borrower_attributes would be okay. Oh, and when I say source, I don't mean forcing a user to authenticate a particular way. I mean where they authenticated. 17:42 jcamins What is it you are trying to accomplish? 17:42 jcamins Because my initial response is that unless it is intended to be a prescriptive switch for librarians to set, should they so desire, it shouldn't go in extended attributes. 17:42 jcamins And even then I question it. 17:45 mtompset We are setting up independent branches for a number of libraries inside and outside of our organization. The goal is to know who to give access and to what. The problem with multiple instances is there is no way to integrate searches. 17:46 jcamins Okay. 17:46 jcamins What is the right way to merge one hash into another hash? 17:47 mtompset Is this the same thought, or a separate one? 17:47 jcamins That was completely separate. 17:47 jcamins While waiting for you to explain what you're trying to solve with the extended attributes, I was asking a Perl question. 17:48 mtompset http://search.cpan.org/~dmuey/Hash-Merge-0.12/Merge.pm? 17:48 jcamins @hash1{ keys %hash2 } = values %hash2; 17:50 druthb hm. ~dmuey… I know him! He works a few offices down from me. :D 17:50 oleonard @later tell khall http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10212 17:50 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded. 17:50 huginn 04Bug 10212: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Columns configuration for tables 17:50 mtompset Greetings, druthb oleonard. :) 17:51 druthb hi, mtompset. :) 17:52 tcohen mtompset: you could have a new table for that, right? 17:52 mtompset We are sort of treating branches like collections, and there are certain collections you do not want publicly searchable. And the non-searchable branches need to be excluded for external partners. 17:53 mtompset tcohen: I suppose, but if I'm going to create a new table, I think I'd prefer to add a column into borrowers. :P 17:54 tcohen not if you are about to write a class for "Authentication sources" 17:54 tcohen bbs 17:54 jcamins I'm still waiting to hear what you need to do? 17:56 mtompset We are sort of treating branches like collections, and there are certain collections you do not want publicly searchable. And the non-searchable branches need to be excluded for external partners. 17:56 mtompset I think that covers it. 17:56 mtompset internal and external partners will authenticate from different sources. 17:58 mtompset It's about limiting access based on how you authenticate, because how you authenticate is going to define you as an internal or external partner. 17:58 jcamins Okay, but that doesn't explain the borrower attributes. 17:58 jcamins You mean you then want to use those attributes to modify the search? 17:58 mtompset the authentication source. 17:58 mtompset Yes, I believe so. 17:58 jcamins Ah. 17:59 mtompset Non existent koha db user -> authenticate at internal partner site -> create user as internal partner -> login -> OPAC away. 18:00 mtompset Non existent koha db user -> authenticate at external partner site -> create user as external partner -> login -> OPAC away (with limitations) 18:00 * druthb thinks mtompset is trying to do heinous, painful things, and pities him a little. 18:00 * mtompset grins. 18:00 jcamins I don't think that's a good idea. 18:01 mtompset Can you explain why? 18:03 jcamins Based on the description, it doesn't sound generalizable, and would be a lot of mess for what seems like very little gain. 18:03 mtompset Thanks for the pity, druthb. 18:03 jcamins How many people are going to limit based on *method* of authentication? 18:04 mtompset Not so much method as where... OpenIdP, Facebook, WindowsLiveID, Corporate Site, Koha DB. 18:05 jcamins Right, it sounds like you'll be greatly decreasing entropy in C4::Search for tenuous advantages. 18:06 tcohen how can i test right-to-left theme? 18:06 jcamins At least, that's how I interpret what you're trying to do. 18:07 jcamins Lucky for you, since I'm only the former RM, you don't actually have to persuade me. 18:07 jcamins tcohen: install ar-Arab? 18:07 druthb mtompset: http://youtu.be/4FPGJrzzq_I?t=13s 18:07 mtompset Yes, but if the idea makes sense to you, then it may make sense to others. 18:09 mtompset Actually, there is already a way to hide items from the OPAC search, but the branch name, in which matching items which are not show, still shows up in the filtering for OPAC. 18:10 tcohen that's it jcamins? no syspref or something? 18:11 jcamins tcohen: well, you have to switch to the RTL language. 18:12 tcohen it looks pretty 18:13 jcamins It's a bit buggy, but it looks a million times better than it did before 3.12. 18:18 mtompset jcamins makes things pretty. :) 18:20 tcohen oleonard, do u agree the 'borrowerautocomplete' div from patron-search.inc is obsolete too? 18:27 jcamins On the uncertain prices page... is the contact information display as appalling as I think it is? 18:28 jcamins It looks to me like everything is just run together in one appalling mess. 18:28 jcamins Does it look that way to anyone else? 18:28 oleonard tcohen: I couldn't say for sure without testing it 18:29 tcohen oops, just issued <Enter> on my git-bz 18:29 tcohen obsolete it if not appropriate 18:30 tcohen i tested removing it as i saw it was there to assign the input box a class and id 18:31 tcohen but you removed the related css selectors... 18:32 jcamins There must be a better way to display that. 18:34 jcamins Oh well. I guess refactoring means not changing things. 18:34 * jcamins sets it back to the way it was. 18:35 jcamins Regretfully. 18:35 oleonard jcamins: It looks jumbled to me too. 18:35 oleonard jcamins: Should the contact information even be on that screen? 18:36 oleonard We could put vendor info into the sidebar like it is with patrons 18:36 jcamins oleonard: ooh, good idea! 18:36 jcamins I'll leave it as is in this patch, though. 18:36 jcamins Better not to change too much or the RM might get crotchety. 18:39 oleonard If the RM gets too crotchety he will crochet this for you and make you wear it: http://bodkin.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/amazing_fun_weird_cool_kyecrow-crochet-jumper-coat_200907232227222040.jpg 18:39 jcamins lol 18:39 jcamins Wow. 18:39 jcamins That's impressive. 18:39 gmcharlt that's one way of putting it 18:46 tcohen oleonard, master looks great in both arab and en on Firefox 18:47 tcohen on Chrome the input box is smaller than the width of the tabs 18:47 pianohacker oh god I think that coat wants to eat me :( 18:48 mtompset Okay, that was weird. 18:50 oleonard On which page tcohen? 18:51 tcohen i'm sutk on the patron-search box 18:52 oleonard I don't see the problem you describe, so I wonder which page you're looking at. 18:54 oleonard Oh yay, the slow checkout times thread is back! 18:54 * oleonard pops some popcorn 19:00 oleonard_ So, leaning on the power button and I reached back to plug in a peripheral was not the best idea 19:01 tcohen super pretty staff page (firefox): http://snag.gy/TpR8b.jpg 19:01 tcohen not so pretty staff page (chrome): http://snag.gy/TpR8b.jpg 19:01 oleonard_ Same link tcohen 19:02 tcohen yeah, it always happens to me :-( 19:02 tcohen snag.gy/cy3fc.jpg 21:25 trea logs? 21:25 wahanui i think logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ 21:52 tcohen noon #koha 21:52 cjh morning 22:18 eythian hi 22:22 tcohen morning eythian 22:22 eythian hi tcohen 22:35 bag @seen druthb 22:35 huginn bag: druthb was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 28 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <druthb> mtompset: http://youtu.be/4FPGJrzzq_I?t=13s 22:41 jcamins eythian: yeah, I read that, thought about saying something, and decided I didn't want the personal response that was almost inevitable if I did. 22:43 eythian heh 23:00 rangi mtj: see joys mail to the list, it seems a sep framework for RDA is more correct than overloadnig your aacr2 frameworks 23:00 * rangi goes back to fighting self check machines 23:00 rangi aka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4 23:01 pianohacker rangi: I think that was missing a few curse words, but yeah, about right 23:03 mtj rangi, just read the email now... 23:06 mtj fyi, that all sounds fine to me 23:13 mtj hmm, so a vaild AACR2 of RDA record could be created using the latest MARC21 spec…? 23:13 dcook O_o 23:13 rangi only if you put the PYF and IAKA:DC in the right places 23:14 rangi dont forget the AIJUW@ 23:14 pianohacker ... please tell me that was keyboard mashing oh lord 23:14 dcook hehe 23:14 dcook mtj: RDA is essentially AACR3 23:14 dcook Well.. 23:14 jcamins mtj: I think you're confusing formats (MARC21) and style guides (AACR2 and RDA) 23:15 mtj right, im slowly clicking to the difference 23:15 dcook (Although RDA did require changes to the MARC21 format as well) 23:15 jcamins AACR2 and RDA have minutely different rules about unimportant things. 23:15 jcamins dcook: sure, but so have LCRIs for AACR2. 23:15 jcamins ^^ not just keyboard mashing. 23:15 dcook Mmm, I forgot about those 23:16 jcamins The Numismatic Society had them in paper up to about 2006. So we used AACR2 ca. 2006. 23:16 dcook Wasn't that the last revision of AACR2? 23:17 jcamins Well, when we weren't trying to actually provide useful information to patrons. 23:17 jcamins dcook: as far as I'm concerned, LCRIs are part of AACR2 in the US. 23:17 dcook Fair enough. 23:17 jcamins Therefore, despite the official standard being fixed in 2002, it continued to change thanks to copious amounts of red tape from our non-national library. 23:18 eythian mtj: USMARC is the on-disk format (so is MARCXML), MARC21 is the schema used to allocate fields etc, AARC2/RDA are the style guide telling you how the fields should be used. 23:18 dcook And how to transcribe the information from the item into the metadata record 23:19 mtj so, for koha… RDA and AARC2 frameworks would basically be the same, but with small changes for various default values? 23:19 dcook RDA changing many of the unimportant rules of transcription 23:20 eythian mtj: well, I suspect that MARC21 was also updated to account for RDA, so things will need to be changed to account for that. 23:20 dcook eythian: Right 23:20 dcook mtj: Hence the updates to MARC21 for the bibliographic and authority frameworks 23:21 mtj yes, im assuming the latest marc21 spec here 23:21 dcook You need different frameworks for RDA and AACR2, because you're recording information in different MARC tags 23:21 dcook mtj: Yeah, I think update 16 or whatever it was is up to date 23:21 dcook mtj: Also, some of the fixed fields (such as the 008) have different options available in RDA 23:22 dcook Which is something I don't think we've necessarily looked at yet... 23:22 mtj ok, that all makes sense :) 23:22 dcook Yay! :) 23:22 dcook So really...if we have MARC frameworks that match the most up to date version of the MARC21 spec, then people can do whatever they want 23:23 dcook To be honest, I've never worked in a library that followed AACR2 100% 23:23 jcamins dcook: our fixed field plugins are up-to-date. 23:23 mtj example - new RDA 336, 337, 338 fields *aren't* valid for AACR2 records, so they would be disabled for the AARC2 fwrk? 23:23 dcook jcamins: Sweet. They weren't last I looked but that was probably a few months ago now. 23:23 jcamins dcook: yeah, I pushed fixes at the eleventh hour before the string freeze. 23:23 dcook mtj: Right 23:23 tcohen we should abandon the marc21 serialization format 23:23 dcook jcamins: Legend. 23:24 eythian tcohen: but it's great for accessing records stored on tape... 23:25 * pianohacker found a good time to leave ;) 23:25 dcook Rumour has it that usmarc is faster to index than marcxml 23:25 dcook At least when doing enough records to notice a difference 23:25 dcook i.e. hundreds of thousands 23:25 eythian hmm, I actually thought it was the other way around, but it's been a long time. 23:26 tcohen i found marcxml faster 23:26 eythian though definitely parsing, and processing usmarc is faster, so you're probably right. 23:26 jcamins dcook: actually, that rumor turns out to be wrong. 23:26 tcohen indeed, will try it again with that 1.5M records database I have 23:26 dcook jcamins: I can't say I'm surprised. It's second-hand info on my part. 23:27 dcook In that case, I see zero reason to keep the raw marc. 23:27 jcamins The serialization is a lot faster, but Zebra converts MARC to XML. 23:27 dcook Hmm... 23:27 dcook Are you sure about that? 23:27 dcook Isn't that a config option? 23:27 jcamins Nope. 23:27 jcamins I mean internally for indexing. 23:28 dcook Huh 23:28 jcamins That's why GRS-1 uses Zebra's "xpath." 23:28 dcook Didn't know that it did. Interesting. 23:29 dcook If that's the case, it seems rather backwards to hand Zebra usmarc, have it turn it into xml, then have it output usmarc 23:29 rangi thats why we hand it xml 23:29 jcamins DOM, of course, is XML throughout the pipeline. 23:29 dcook I wonder why Edmund found it faster to use usmarc than marcxml... 23:30 dcook jcamins: Makes sense 23:30 tcohen i guess there's an historical explanation for the use of usmarc 23:30 dcook Mmm 23:30 * dcook bets it might have to do with malformed xml records 23:31 dcook tcohen: I imagine 23:31 eythian dcook: you should never have malformed XML records. 23:31 eythian Not that it doesn't happen 23:31 mtj tcohen, yeah, raw usmarc was used in koha before there was a marcxml perl package, afaik 23:31 eythian but if you find them, then someone is doing a bad job and not using an XML parser/writer. 23:32 eythian and that person should be chastised. 23:32 dcook eythian: I couldn't agree more. 23:32 tcohen i cannot find the year MARCXML was standarized 23:32 wizzyrea they are bad and they should feel bad. 23:32 eythian possibly scourged and excoriated too. 23:32 mtj and afaik, we added/switched to marcxml - but didnt remove the biblioitems.marc field 23:32 wizzyrea the word excoriated is simply not used enough in common language. 23:33 wizzyrea scourged too. 23:33 dcook They're pretty good terms 23:33 dcook mtj: I believe that Koha still uses the serialization sometimes...possibly in Search.pm 23:33 tcohen 2002 23:34 dcook Hmm, maybe not Search.pm.. 23:34 tcohen a year and a half ago the docs told people to run rebuild_zebra without -x 23:34 tcohen (still) 23:35 eythian it started to become a problem when you got too many items for a usmarc record to handle 23:35 mtj eythian, yeah, that too 23:36 mtj is the bi.marc data currently used anywhere in koha, or is it completely dead? 23:36 tcohen hmm, i have an idea of after-office activity for Reno which involves beer 23:36 dcook mtj: I'm certain it's used somewhere. 23:36 dcook tcohen: I heard beer. 23:36 * dcook perks up 23:37 tcohen we could try to take notes (like in history.txt) of important moments in koha's life 23:37 tcohen not only the adoption of certain technology, but funny or interesting stuff people remember 23:38 tcohen and, it should involve beer 23:39 rangi tcohen: i did do that 23:39 rangi awards and stuff 23:39 rangi but yes we can easily pad that history file out more 23:40 rangi its a tab separated file 23:40 rangi the 3rd column is for describing 23:40 rangi so you can put date\ttext\tsomething 23:41 rangi ie 20130622\t3.10.7 released\treleases 23:41 rangi 201301612\tTomas likes beer\trandomfacts 23:42 rangi the idea is it should reflect the history of the project, so its far more than just new developers and releases 23:42 rangi so 23:42 rangi be rangi 23:42 wahanui Send a patch! 23:42 rangi :) 23:45 dcook What the.. 23:45 wahanui the is a stop word 23:45 dcook Quiet you 23:46 dcook Hmm, always nice when a bug is fixed and then gets created again down the road... 23:47 dcook bug 6067 23:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6067 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, When Add Duplicate changing framework would lose data 23:47 dcook Best to re-open the bug or create a new one? 23:47 dcook And reference the old one? 23:47 wizzyrea new with reference 23:47 * dcook thumbs up 23:48 bag heya oceana peeps 23:48 dcook hey ya bag 23:49 bag dcook, wizzyrea, rangi, eythian - the usuals 23:49 wizzyrea trea too :p 23:51 bag oh trea - he gets too much of me wizzyrea 23:51 wizzyrea such a thing is possible? 23:53 bag wizzyrea++ 23:53 bag I don't think so 23:56 bag for fun 23:58 rangi :) 23:58 bag ;) winky smilely face is the way to go 23:58 dcook Does this mean that we get to carry swords?