Time Nick Message 23:47 tcohen something like "all overdues of items that were checked-in the same day" is a suspension 23:46 tcohen the only thing i didn't figure yet is how to make a suspension a consecquence of an aggregation of overdues 23:44 rangi and map to your new tables 23:44 rangi so you need to start again 23:43 rangi will just make a mess 23:43 rangi but trying to fit an OO model to something that isnt OO 23:43 tcohen what about suspensions rangi= 23:43 rangi the hard bit is mapping, but thats soluble 23:43 wahanui rumour has it blah blah is important 23:43 rangi blah blah 23:43 * dcook thought that khall was looking at an accounting rewrite 23:43 rangi Koha::Accounts::Payments 23:42 rangi and Koha::Accounts::Fines 23:42 rangi Koha::Accounts 23:42 rangi we should make 23:42 tcohen (and fines) 23:42 tcohen i'm trying to think how to tie an OO model for recording suspensions with the way we handle overdues 23:42 rangi one is still acruing though, the other isn't 23:42 rangi if amountoutstanding = 0 they are paid 23:41 rangi FU and F can both be paid and unpaid 23:41 tcohen so accountlines/FU means unpaid fine 23:41 rangi FU is if the item is still on loan 23:41 rangi yes it is 23:41 dcook Oh maybe FU is while accumulating.. 23:40 jcamins There's accountlines and issues. 23:40 dcook Accountlines contains fine information, but I think only once they've been charged 23:39 tcohen we don't have a fines or overdues table, am i right? 23:38 dcook hehe 23:38 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, pianohacker. 23:38 pianohacker good night 23:37 dcook hey ya tcohen :) 23:37 tcohen morning dcook 23:37 dcook morning #koha 23:31 tcohen hmm... that'd be 4 koha releases 23:31 tcohen how often does debian release? two years? 23:30 * pianohacker grumbles about waiting for his own internets 4 days longer 23:30 pianohacker bah. apparently installing dsl service does not, to centurylink's mind, include installing a jack and phone line. that's extra! 23:28 rangi the pockets however could be done 23:28 rangi and that changing the package names unless we get 12 more packagers is not really sustainable 23:28 rangi naw, i just think more important things to work on 23:27 * tcohen realizes people might be starting to hate him 23:25 gmcharlt (one could also imagine porcine aviation, granted) 23:25 jcamins Hmmm... yes, I suppose one could. 23:25 gmcharlt one could imagine a Koha releae that adds no dependencies 23:25 gmcharlt jcamins: though, to be pedantic, only by coincidence 23:24 jcamins The need for dist-upgrade prevents people upgrading by accident. 23:24 gmcharlt rangi: sure -- but I think the more time passes, the more pressure there's going to be to have the pockets be named anything other than squeeze for koha-common itself 23:23 jcamins rangi: actually, to my mind the problem is less accidental upgrades and more "uh-oh, what happened to my preferred package?" 23:22 rangi pockets would solve that 23:22 rangi but to solve the problem now of people accidentally going from 3.10.x to 3.12.x because they arent paying attention 23:22 rangi and then deal with numbering for debian 23:22 * gmcharlt fully realizes that he's invoking the invisible smally army of packagers 23:22 rangi ie clean up the copyright, get a working koha package 23:22 gmcharlt yep, but would mean that our apt repo would serve the same function in Koha-land that apt.postgressql.org does for Pg 23:21 rangi id deal with that when we get a package ready for debian 23:21 rangi thats gonna be a nightmare to maintain 23:21 rangi thats still every six montsh 23:20 tcohen that would be too tcohen-ish 23:20 gmcharlt e.g., koha-common-3.10, koha-common-3.12, etc., along with some scripts to 'move' Koha databases from one koha-common cluster to another? 23:20 gmcharlt ? 23:20 gmcharlt tossing an idea out here ... why not aim for matching postgres' packaging 23:19 tcohen how does it fit for koha-common inclusion in Debian? 23:19 rangi yep 23:19 tcohen suppose we had 3.8, 3.10 and 3.12 pockets 23:18 rangi pockets better for that i think 23:18 rangi every six months, = mess 23:18 rangi thats workable if you only change every 2 years or so 23:18 tcohen and didn't think of pockets 23:18 rangi they change far less 23:17 rangi not quite 23:17 tcohen i just liked the way virtualbox solved it (in debian apache 2.2 vs 2.4 would be the same thu) 23:17 tcohen my main concerns are (1) stable versions limit (2) forced upgrade because of (1) 23:16 rangi :) 23:16 tcohen i actually didn't think of pockets... if i had... maybe i would have named the bug otherwise 23:16 rangi i think having a pocket for each major version number, would work 23:15 * rangi only skimmed it 23:15 jcamins That makes sense to me, and is how I handle my packages, but that's not what the bug report was for. 23:14 rangi just we need better pocket names 23:14 rangi so the package name doesnt change 23:14 rangi but it should still be called koha-common 23:14 jcamins Exactly. 23:14 rangi i can see that the pocket is wrong, if we put a new major version into stable 23:13 rangi why? 23:13 jcamins rangi: yeah, but suddenly koha-common is the wrong package. 23:12 rangi jcamins: its never changed from koha-common 23:12 rangi so our repo goes away (except for dev packages) 23:12 tcohen oh, naming the pockets would do it, that's what you mean rangi? 23:12 jcamins What I'd do is make the change at the 3.14 release, since all the package naming gets screwed up every time we do a major release anyway. 23:12 rangi so we should stick with that, and our focus should be getting them into debian proper 23:11 rangi but the packages themselves are following the debian standard 23:11 rangi changing the names of the pockets i dont mind 23:11 tcohen but its too much work! 23:11 tcohen in an ideal world with transition packages it shouldnt 23:11 jcamins Yeah. 23:10 rangi breaks upgrades 23:10 rangi ahh thats much more problematic 23:10 jcamins It involved changing the names of the packages, too. 23:10 tcohen i'm fine with squeezy (love the name) 23:10 rangi thats right eh? 23:10 rangi ie not changing the name of the packages, just the pockets they live in 23:09 rangi or pocket naming even 23:09 tcohen should i mark it "In discussion" 23:09 rangi you mean repository naming :) 23:09 tcohen just wanted to write it somewhere 23:09 rangi heh 23:09 tcohen i filled a bug on packaging naming, something only tcohen cares about 23:07 rangi ahh yep :) 23:07 wahanui somebody said ppa was ok for ubuntu 23:07 tcohen ppa? 23:07 rangi hmm? 23:07 tcohen thanks for the repository thing 23:07 rangi yep, timezones 23:07 tcohen its been a while 23:07 tcohen hi rangi 23:06 rangi hi tcohen 22:42 gmcharlt and we already have enough to refactor 22:41 rangi yeah, pushing it now, would just make a mess for later 22:40 jcamins rangi: in my opinion, the point is more technical debt. We could replace the module, but that's one more thing that already "works" (for some value of "working") and needs to be refactored when someone has time and funding to do refactoring. 22:38 rangi the point is, we dont need a whole new module 22:37 rangi swapping the module is not whats needed 22:37 rangi hell no 22:37 mtj add syslog stuff, swap the logging module to log4perl, etc… 22:34 mtj i guess we can add/improve the logging patch, after its pushed 22:00 jcamins The time has come to make pizza. 21:42 cait ok, time to sleep - good night #koha :) 21:37 rangi s 21:37 rangi ye 21:35 cait hm yes 21:34 gmcharlt and (b) implementing the in-HTML logs, which folks seem to want 21:34 gmcharlt the main things missing are (a) the usual documentation and syspreffing 21:34 cait yeah, but noone picked it up so far, which is sad 21:34 gmcharlt cait: well, the counterpatch rangi includes in the bug is actually a pretty comprehensive start 21:33 cait I can see that reusing something existing would make a lot of sense, but the bug is a bit of a dilemma 21:32 cait so how do we continue with the logger? 21:29 rangi *nod* 21:29 gmcharlt especially since the proposed logger doesn't even add syslog support 21:29 * gmcharlt agrees with rangi 21:28 rangi i do not see the need for a great big new module that we then have to maintain, when someone has already solved the problem for us 21:27 rangi i stand by this comment still 21:27 huginn 04Bug 8190: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Add a logging module to Koha, that can report log message to staff interface (for developer use) 21:27 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8190#c58 21:26 cait oh 21:26 cait hm? 21:26 rangi i still hate that logger implementation 21:26 rangi welp 21:07 rangi 11 days i will pianohacker 21:02 cait it will solve itself as soon as we have the next version out :) 21:02 cait ah 21:02 pianohacker rangi: I don't know if you're ever going to stop getting questions about 3.10.6's version number :) 20:54 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period). 20:54 mtompset I'll take that as a no. Now for a nap. 20:48 mtompset anyone here familiar with encryption calls in PHP and Perl? 20:33 pianohacker hah! 20:27 wahanui rumour has it germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg 20:27 jcamins germs? 20:27 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 20:27 cait germs? 20:14 oleonard Bye #koha 20:12 cait well... or good night :) 20:12 cait have a nice evening magnuse 20:12 * magnuse calls it a day 20:10 rangi right time to take kids to school 20:10 jcamins You know, if I could get a narrow card catalog cabinet, it'd actually be perfect for the pantry. 20:09 rangi i actually should do another call for library cards, so i can take some photos for kohacon13 20:09 pianohacker aww 20:09 wahanui pianohacker: excuse me? 20:09 pianohacker wahanui: acos(-1) 20:09 jcamins I like it! 20:09 rangi heh 20:08 oleonard Remember, when rangi says "library cards" he means the kind that go in here: http://lizlet.tumblr.com/post/37127596370/library-card-catalog-cabinet-now-a-liquor-cabinet 20:08 rangi ok, so a bit more 20:08 wahanui 898.2 20:08 rangi wahanui: 24.95*36 20:08 rangi hehe 20:07 rangi oh yeah 20:07 wahanui 13 is this one 20:07 jcamins 13? 20:07 rangi its not so much :) 20:07 wahanui 324.35 20:07 rangi wahanui: 24.95*13 20:06 rangi so 3 years now 20:06 rangi may 2010 20:06 magnuse :-) 20:05 rangi but i want it filled with library cards 20:05 rangi maybe i will 20:05 rangi heh 20:04 * magnuse would gladly contribute 20:04 * oleonard thinks rangi should pass around a hat at KohaCon for that linode 20:03 magnuse yay! :-) 20:02 rangi yeah so the logs run off my linode now, instead of an old server under a desk in my house 19:59 magnuse exorcise the demons! 19:59 rangi brb atarau has got trapped in his pajamas 19:59 rangi oleonard: stats.workbuffer.org used to be denethor.thatcompanyIresignedfrom.co.nz .. so it was pretty old, probably infused with evil, and was due to die 19:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, In Discussion , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio 19:59 * magnuse adds some thoughts to bug 6590 19:36 maximep hmmm didnt see that 19:35 gmcharlt at least one part of it is passed-QA 19:35 cait it's in different states of sign off/qa etc. 19:35 maximep i guess that's why we added a "set aside" feature, to make sure no one can borrow it in the meantime 19:35 cait i think marcelr has been some dev on the hold in future feature - but i haven't tested it yet 19:34 maximep cait: that makes sense... somehow 19:34 maximep the problem is that were not really a koha shop 19:33 gmcharlt cait++ # agreed re Koha devs visiting libraries, including ideally some time working a circ desk 19:33 maximep hmmm 19:33 cait if they are all checked out then... you are out of luck 19:33 cait maximep: i think the hold date in future means it will take effect at that date, but not that you will get the item at this point 19:33 cait maximep: don't let us make you grumpy :) 19:32 libsysguy but the grid system is fairly stable 19:32 libsysguy not yet 19:29 jcamins No. 19:29 jcamins Ah. 19:28 jcamins libsysguy: it's released? 19:28 libsysguy http://www.williamghelfi.com/blog/2013/06/09/bootstrap-3-the-new-grid-system-for-starters/ 19:28 maximep but who does -_- 19:28 maximep of course he doesn't know the code 19:27 maximep well, my client knows koha better than me and is pretty technical 19:27 pianohacker heh, in some ways, yeah 19:27 jcamins Because they are living with the problem. 19:26 jcamins If you see what I mean. 19:26 jcamins pianohacker: even the ones who do a good job explaining things don't do a good job. 19:26 cait so they will not tell you the best solution to the problem necessarily 19:26 cait and they don#t know what's technically possible 19:26 pianohacker "It just takes 10 clicks to do that, why is that a problem?" 19:25 oleonard maximep: Except your client doesn't know how to explain things well, even if they think they do. 19:25 pianohacker I dunno. Some liasons do a good job of explaining some things, but you don't get the... urgency of some things 19:25 * cait thinks library visits should be mandatory for all koha developers who are not librarians :P 19:25 maximep but it really is our client's job to explain those stuff to me 19:25 pianohacker "oh god this is why the circ people are always so grumpy!" 19:25 cait seriously. 19:24 maximep haha I should 19:24 jcamins maximep: you should visit a library. 19:24 maximep yes, i'm talking about a an hold date in the future 19:24 cait :) 19:23 cait it's never too late 19:23 maximep 2 years too late for that :p 19:23 cait and go and sit at a circ desk for a while :) 19:23 cait maximep: maybe with your job you shoudl remedy that 19:23 maximep especially since I haven't been to a library in 10 years 19:22 jcamins maximep: of course. If the item is going to be on hold until the future hold date, you might as well not make it a future hold date. 19:22 cait it is complex. 19:22 cait it is confusing. 19:22 maximep man, this whole holds thing is so confusing to me 19:22 cait are you referring to the hold date in future feature? 19:22 maximep ok, but if I understand correctly, in that case there's no check that an item will be available at the date of the hold 19:21 cait they should all fill the hold and trigger the hold message 19:21 cait when there is more than one item on the shelf, it won't matter which you check-in 19:21 maximep ok 19:21 cait the difference is between only a special item fan fill the hold and all items of that record can fill the hold 19:20 cait because I am worried it will not really fit in with existing options :) 19:20 cait maximep: i still think what you try to do should be a plugin ;) 19:20 cait in opposite to an item level hold 19:19 maximep ok so it's when you do the checkout that you choose an item ? 19:19 cait or more precise that any item of that record can fill the hold 19:19 cait the checkbox means that the next item that becomes available can fill the hold 19:19 cait maximep: i don't understand your question really :) 19:19 maximep there's no check to really validate that a copy will be available ? 19:19 cait ? 19:18 maximep do I understand correctly that with the "Place a hold on the next available copy " checkbox, I can do infinite holds at the same hour ? 19:18 maximep hey, I have a Holds question for you guys 18:24 jcamins That's 2-3 months using code that the RM (me) felt wasn't suitable for production use. I'd upgrade anyway. 18:22 jlozano Jcamins, thanks! Gonna get a bywater in august, but untill then well use this. 18:22 jcamins Good. I'd still suggest upgrading to a released version. 18:20 jlozano Disabling opacsearchhistory did the trick! 18:19 jlozano OK JUST FIXED IT! 18:18 * cait ducks 18:18 jcamins *Mostly*? 18:18 cait well, they were for the right reasons mostly 18:17 druthb the 3.12 RM was good at throwing those. :P 18:17 cait yeah... but he threw so many... hard to remember... ;) 18:16 jcamins cait: yeah, the 3.12 RM threw a hissy fit about that breaking everything for anonymous users. 18:15 cait what jcamins says sounds familiar - maybe start even there:) 18:15 jlozano K, gonna start with opac suppression... 18:14 jcamins You could also disable saving search history. 18:14 jcamins There was a problem with anonymous search history. 18:14 cait have you changed the xslt views? 18:14 jcamins You should think about upgrading (or downgrading) to a released version. 18:12 jlozano Obviously a permisson issue, oh well, were only using that instance of koha until august 18:12 cait that could be something that is diferent between opac and staff 18:12 cait and empty out opachiddenitems 18:12 cait maybe try turning off opacsuppression if you have activated it 18:12 cait i am not sure what would cause the problem you see 18:12 cait but apart form that 18:11 jlozano Ah. Didnt know about the uneven number thing. 18:09 cait bye tcohen 18:09 tcohen bye #koha, see u tomorrow 18:08 magnuse hm, still something iffy with the 3.10.6 packages? after upgrading i have "Koha version: 3.10.05.003" 18:08 jlozano Buuut if they are logged in... even as a patron it works! 18:08 cait the uneven number indicates this is a prerelease version 18:08 cait jlozano: hm there is no stable 3.11 18:08 jlozano Weeeeel so. If someone searches the catalog (koha 3.11) after they click on a result they get a 500 sever error.. 18:04 pianohacker ahh, shoot. What's your question? 18:03 jlozano Ahh! I cant really see, have to use android client :( 17:53 * pianohacker is half-on, it's a monday 17:51 jlozano Hello! Anybody on? 17:39 cait true 17:37 pianohacker one of those wonderful terms that you learn and then realize you do it all the time 17:37 cait pianohacker++ thx for the rubberduck link ) 17:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Master , Remove search terms in advanced search 17:31 tcohen bug 8600 17:26 cait it looks still working 17:26 cait http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/ 17:26 tcohen yes cait, just saw it, i missed jenkins telling us here that it started building 3.12.x 17:26 cait maybe it can't do all at the same time? 17:25 cait tcohen: it looks like it's currently running the tests for master - you can see it on the dashboard 17:24 cait hm it takes a whlie sometimes 17:22 tomascohen is jenkins working? 16:48 pianohacker if select-multiples are user-hostile, english is user-detesting 16:46 cait every time I think my english is pretty sufficient by now... you people start talking about something i have nooo idea about :) 16:45 pianohacker cait: http://informalsemantics.com/rubber-duck-debugging/ 16:45 cait hm can someone explain the rubber duck joke? :) 16:43 * pianohacker needs a rubber duck with the Google logo on the back 16:42 * gmcharlt welcomes our rubber duck overlords 16:41 * pianohacker runs off after having asked another question so long that it answered itself 16:41 pianohacker oleonard: nvm, that same patron category editing screen has a fieldset nested, that would work perfectly 16:41 * jcamins decides to eat some lunch. 16:41 jcamins pianohacker: ah, see, there's your mistake. You should've intentionally not asked. :P 16:40 * jcamins makes a note of how useful that functionality would be. 16:40 pianohacker jcamins: Heheh, not intentionally not asking you ;) oleonard's just the guru 16:40 cait that sounds nice 16:40 jcamins I actually haven't done that for this particular interface element, though. 16:39 jcamins I generally like to do Bootstrap-like control-replacement, so that -- for example -- underneath it all is a slew of checkboxes, but the user doesn't have to see them. 16:38 jcamins (and I noticed you didn't... very clever;) 16:38 jcamins Never, _ever_ ask me for advice on a UI question. 16:38 jcamins Well, yeah, of course it would. 16:37 pianohacker plus, it would be more work :) 16:37 pianohacker jcamins: Ah! I think I know what you mean. I like that for editing tags, but I don't know if it's appropriate for this situation 16:37 pianohacker oleonard: That's the functionality I'm aiming for. It would be possible to have it as checkboxes within the form, but it seems clearer to have it nested within a line of the form 16:37 jcamins The only place I've seen that on the web is with tags. 16:36 jcamins oleonard: where you select one of the unapplied tags, and it goes into a list of what's been applied, and then you can remove it from that list of applied tags. 16:36 jcamins But the student information horror that TCNJ used had something similar. 16:36 pianohacker oleonard: Take a look at the "Branches limitation" part of the patron category edit form 16:35 oleonard jcamins: Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean by "tag-y" 16:35 jcamins Okay, maybe not most. 16:35 oleonard pianohacker: No, but I'm still confused about what is so special about this situation. Not just a list of checkboxes in a standard form? 16:35 jcamins oleonard: I don't know, that interface predates the web by quite a lot. Most of the old green screen programs used something similar for selecting. 16:34 oleonard jcamins: I worry that the concept of tags has never caught on and is now fading 16:34 pianohacker the problem is marking it up. May just end up throwing some custom CSS into the page header. As it's page specific, you have any problems with that? 16:33 * jcamins favors a more tag-y approach, but that has no justification in the existing Koha style guide. 16:33 pianohacker a set of checkboxes seems easier to navigate 16:33 oleonard Agreed. 16:33 pianohacker oleonard: So, one option here would be to use a select-multiple to select branches, but those things are kind of user-hostile IMO 16:33 * oleonard can't spell license either without wondering if he got it right 16:32 cait :) 16:32 cait will try to be patient 16:32 cait oook 16:32 pianohacker cait: I think eventually maybe, still working on that :) 16:32 cait with a properly spelled lic... word 16:32 cait is that for licensensed databases? 16:32 cait that sure sounds interesting 16:32 cait oh 16:31 pianohacker cait: It's an option to select which libraries' patrons can use an external search target in the OPAC 16:28 oleonard Hang on, be right back. 16:26 oleonard pianohacker: checkboxes and radio buttons are always tricky to deal with, so I usually recommend looking to existing examples in the templates 16:26 oleonard pianohacker: I can't really picture what you want based on that description 16:26 cait pianohacker: what will it do in the end? *curious* 16:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10311 - Holds queue ignores item-level holds where only one items exists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=acd4b21c91f4b06a6e19cafb4b9a6dd2817ad8e9> 16:24 pianohacker oleonard: Working on a simple form to add a record to a table, much like the z39.50 admin, but I have a set of labeled checkboxes (corresponding to libraries) as the "value" for one item in the fieldset ol. What would be the best way to mark that up? 16:22 oleonard Not at all 16:22 pianohacker oleonard: Come to think of it, you're just the person. Mind if I ask you for a bit of admin styling advice? 16:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9924 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Simplify and rename patron card creator error message include 16:21 * oleonard tries to get QA's attention with Bug 9924 16:04 pianohacker kekekekekekeke 16:00 gmcharlt oleonard: ZERG RUSH 15:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places 15:59 oleonard Bug 2774 is going to take many blows to kill. 15:56 pianohacker <shiver> 15:56 pianohacker heheheheheh 15:52 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #211: "<paul_p> mtate a bug in C4/Search ? That's unbelievable !" (added by slef at 12:35 PM, July 17, 2012) 15:52 gmcharlt @quote random 15:52 gmcharlt boring 15:52 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009) 15:52 gmcharlt @quote random 15:46 jcamins Ah. Yeah, that server died. 15:45 * oleonard had always used stats.workbuffer... 15:44 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 15:44 jcamins The URL did change slightly. He took out /irclog/ 15:43 wahanui rumour has it logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ 15:43 jcamins logs? 15:43 jcamins Looks like it's working. 15:43 oleonard Is rangi having problem with the machine running the IRC log? 15:07 reiveune bye 15:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 6281: add Library::CallNumber::LC as a required Perl dependency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1c45784dc5dfa431ef68e5d38a14b6fb93c904d> / bug 6281: introduce LC::CallNumber::LC for sorting LC call numbers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc87274c66a50712dccb15656001d97f2a36fba5> / bug 6281: add test case for sorting LC call numbers correctly <http://git. 14:16 gmcharlt khall: what new field are you proposing? 14:16 gmcharlt khall: no, not 942, that's bib-ish level 14:06 magnuse i might be wrong about uc/lc, though. not sure what my source is... 14:04 magnuse the correct answer is of course: "get rid of marc" ;-) 14:04 magnuse khall: i think MARC is supposed to distinguish between uppercase and lowercase in subfield "names"? not sure how koha will eract to that, though 13:50 khall s/as/has/ 13:50 khall it as fields for call number, which is item level, but also subfield 0 is for "Koha issues (borrowed), all copies" which isn't exactly item level. 13:49 khall or maybe not 13:48 khall fyi, it looks like the answer to my question is field 942 13:27 jcamins *puts 13:26 jcamins Headline: "Software developer single-handedly put library technology back thirty years, meets teenaged Henriette Avram." 13:25 khall heh! 13:24 jcamins ^^ not a serious suggestion! Don't take it and run with it! 13:24 jcamins Bit fields? 13:23 khall question: now that we have used all the subfield letters in 952, where should additional item-level data be stored in a marc record? 13:18 jcamins Wow, flexbox looks very cool. 13:16 jcamins Eww. 13:15 druthb In FF, it looks kind of AJAX-ey, so it may be doing something dodgy with a modal or something. Not my itch to scratch. 13:14 druthb It didn't, last time I tried to refill a scrip. When you get to the "place this order" phase, to check and make sure your pickup store is correct, Chrome just *hangs* 13:14 jcamins Walmart.com's pharmacy doesn't work in Chrome? That's kind of specific. 13:13 magnuse lol 13:13 druthb doesn't. 13:13 druthb Chrome vs Firefox seems to be a preference thing, but they both appear to work *just fine* (except Walmart.com's pharmacy….that requires FF). But IE.. uhm. 13:12 druthb There are reasons for that. 13:12 magnuse looks like ie is the only browser that evokes strong emotions :-) 13:11 huginn magnuse: Karma for "firefox" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 13:11 magnuse @karma firefox 13:10 jcamins druthb: presumably that karma increase was for "il est" rather than "internet explorer." 13:10 druthb chrome++ 13:10 druthb ! 13:10 huginn druthb: chrome has neutral karma. 13:10 druthb @karma chrome 13:10 druthb whoa. 13:10 huginn druthb: Karma for "ie" has been increased 1 time and decreased 94 times for a total karma of -93. 13:10 druthb @karma ie 13:09 oleonard IE-- # just for good measure 13:09 oleonard lack_of_current_support_in_anything-- 13:08 magnuse css3++ 13:07 jcamins Yeah, the lack of current support in anything is a bit of an issue. 13:07 oleonard http://caniuse.com/#search=flex 13:06 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 13:06 jcamins Ooh, interesting! 13:05 oleonard CSS3 13:05 oleonard I don't think there is enough browser support for it yet, but it looks very useful: http://weblog.bocoup.com/dive-into-flexbox/ 13:05 jcamins *? 13:05 jcamins I have not. Do we use that/ 13:05 oleonard jcamins: Have you looked at flexbox? 13:04 jcamins magnuse: do you really want to maintain code in which a [% FOREACH %] starts with [% IF ... %]<div...>[% ELSE %]</div>[% END %] ? :P 13:04 magnuse jcamins: lazy! ;-) 13:00 jcamins Right. I am adding the ability to specify as many contacts as you want, and I'd rather not have special case code for rows, when merely using a "float: left" on each div results in the desired layout. 12:59 oleonard I have no objection to adding the CSS you need to get the job done 12:59 jcamins Okay then, next question: do you have any objection to me adding layout CSS or using some of Bootstrap's layout CSS? 12:58 oleonard Are you not wanting to deal with the logic of when to create a new row? 12:58 oleonard jcamins: Not using the built-in YUI grid. You'd have to add some new layout CSS. 12:57 jcamins If I just use yui-b, I end up with a result like this: http://www.screencast.com/t/wvISCEAWPqcO 12:57 jcamins oleonard: I have a question for you about how we do layouts in Koha. Is there a way to tile divs without having a separate row div (yui-g) for each row? 12:44 oleonard The shame. 12:43 jcamins Yeah, he's lost his desk privileges for the day. 12:42 * tcohen thinks Myshkin over stepped there, he'll have his food anyway 12:41 oleonard Oh no, and that was your signing-off hand! 12:40 jcamins I'll say! 12:40 druthb ow! 12:40 jcamins Aaand he just put a claw most of the way through my hand. 12:40 jwagner jcamins, he associates check with purchase of cat food? 12:40 tcohen heh 12:39 jcamins He is bound and determined to help me endorse a check. 12:39 jcamins Gosh I have a helpful cat. 12:36 druthb Thanks, magnuse! :) 12:36 khall heh, thanks magnuse! 12:36 magnuse "gratulerer" to khall and belated "gratulerer" to druthb! 12:35 druthb Saturday, my 45th birthday, I put her on a bus to Dallas to go apartment-hunting. 12:34 druthb Lindsey found a butterfly that had escaped elsewhere in the museum, and shuttled it back quickly. It wasn't very active, but was still alive. 12:34 druthb I got to do some different things for my birthday weekend—on Friday, took Lindsey to the Natural Science museum. It was lovely, and the butterflies were out in force at the Cockrell Butterfly Center. 12:33 oleonard I'm always extra-crotchety around my birthday 12:32 * druthb is *trying* not to be a crotchety old woman this morning. "fake it 'til you make it," mama always said. 12:32 khall : ) 12:31 druthb :) 12:31 oleonard Happy birthday to you khall, and a belated happy birthday to you druthb 12:30 druthb Thanks. :) 12:29 khall thanks druthb! Happy birthday to you too! 12:29 druthb happy birthday, khall. I didn't realize yours was just two days after mine. 12:27 tcohen hi druthb 12:27 * druthb waves 12:27 druthb mmf. 12:27 * tcohen sings *its rmaint day, alleluya... itsrmaint day* 12:26 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 12:26 tcohen @later tell rangi thanks 12:26 khall fun fact: each KohaCon I've been to has been during my birthday! Reno will break this pattern though. 12:25 tcohen happy birthday khall! 12:25 tcohen morning jcamins, #koha 12:25 khall thanks jcamins! 12:25 jcamins Happy birthday, khall! 12:25 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 12:20 oleonard Hi #koha 12:14 khall hey libsysguy, thanks! 11:59 libsysguy happy b-day khall :) 11:23 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 43.0°C (4:00 PM PKT on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Rising). 11:23 Oak @wunder islamabad 11:21 saa as mentioned earlier i am getting Tag'0' is not a valid tag Biblio.pm line 2346. is this related to bad marc framework. if so hw to delete existing bad marc framework and restore default one. 10:52 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 10:52 cait manual? 10:52 cait i suggest you take a look at the manual :) 10:46 bigbrovar How can I get ldap authentication to work with Koha. I need just the authentication part not the user sync part. Hence users created in koha get to authenticate via ldap.. but an ldap user who hasn't been created in koha can't authenticate 10:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Buhlertal, Germany is 15.6°C (12:30 PM CEST on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 10:41 cait @wunder Baden-Baden 10:41 cait internetconnection_on_trains-- 09:55 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 09:55 magnuse @later tell khall: CONGRATULATIONS! 09:14 wahanui thanks cait :) 09:14 cait wahanui botsnack cookie 09:11 cait brr 09:11 magnuse silly bot :-) 09:10 huginn magnuse: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 09:10 magnuse @wunder abv 09:10 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 09:10 magnuse @wunder boo 09:10 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Lagos, Nigeria is 27.0°C (9:30 AM WAT on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 09:10 magnuse @wunder lagos, nigeria 09:07 bigbrovar oh well 09:07 huginn bigbrovar: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 09:07 bigbrovar @wunder Abuja, Nigeria 09:02 huginn cait: The current temperature in Frankfurt, Germany is 16.8°C (11:00 AM CEST on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 09:02 cait @wunder Frankfurt, Germany 08:56 bigbrovar magnuse: Thanks.. am on it now 08:52 magnuse bigbrovar: have a look at Home › Tools › Notices & Slips 08:51 bigbrovar Hi guys, How can I customize the email notices sent by koha, especially concerning the contents 08:39 bigbrovar_ . 08:11 tweetbot [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Sur le blog la semaine dernière : Newsletter de #Kohails, refonte de http://t.co/LTjuykZZms et @Piwik 1.12 - http://t.co/2kURgZPHf1" 08:07 Oak :) 08:07 cait i was thinking about you 08:07 cait oh Oak! 08:07 wahanui hello cait are you here? 08:07 Oak hello cait 08:07 magnuse good evening mtj 08:07 mtj hi cait, and good morning europe 08:05 cait hi mtj 08:03 mtj saa, sounds like a bad framework to me 07:53 cait hi paul_p :) 07:53 paul_p 'morning cait 07:53 * cait waves 07:52 paul_p hi #koha 07:44 magnuse bigbrovar: :-) 07:40 bigbrovar magnuse: yeah I did. My bad.. didnt include email in the user detail of the user I created. facepalm 07:36 magnuse :-) 07:36 Oak :) 07:36 Oak magnuse 07:36 magnuse Oak 07:35 * Oak waves 07:34 magnuse bigbrovar: did you do "sudo koha-email-enable <instancename>"? 07:31 bigbrovar I configured postfix as mta and that work fine. and I set it that koha sent account details to newly created users. But when I create a user no email is sent 07:30 bigbrovar magnuse: I am still having problems getting koha's email notification to work, especially after creating a user. 07:22 christophe_c hello #koha 07:18 magnuse bigbrovar: :-) 07:18 bigbrovar magnuse: wow ! 07:16 bigbrovar magnuse: :-o 07:16 saa can some one help me i am getting an error in kohaadmin and opac "Tag '0' is not a valid tag Biblio.pm line 2346" hw to sort out this error. is it related to marc framework. 07:15 magnuse bigbrovar: in /etc/cron.d/koha-common there is: "*/15 * * * * root koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl" which means that messages are processed every 15 minutes, *for those instances that have email enabled* - which means all you have to do is run "sudo koha-email-enable <yourinstancename>" 07:13 magnuse bigbrovar: koha-common sets up a lot of cronjobs for you, have a look at /etc/cron.daily/koha-common /etc/cron.d/koha-common /etc/cron.hourly/koha-common to see which ones are set up 07:12 wahanui niihau, gaetan_B 07:12 gaetan_B hello 07:11 bigbrovar let me get this right (its sounding too good to be true) so u mean I don't have to bother with setting up a cronjob and koha-common does that, or there is a koha-common command for setting up cronjobs 07:10 magnuse those two should be all you need to enable sending email 07:09 magnuse yup 07:09 bigbrovar makes koha very accessible especially and lowers the entry barrier 07:09 magnuse for sending email messages there is koha-email-disable and koha-email-enable 07:09 magnuse hehe 07:08 bigbrovar magnuse: wow... am confused.. I just not use to people doing stuff for me.. but that is super cool.. but takes getting used to :D 07:08 magnuse do "man koha-common" for an overview 07:07 magnuse the packages also provide commands for doing a lot of tasks 07:07 magnuse they do, for a lot of things 07:07 bigbrovar or does the package take care of cronjobs too? 07:07 bigbrovar magnuse: Thanks. but in case I want to setup crons like the /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl under which user do I setup the cronjob 06:58 magnuse s/elated/related/ 06:57 magnuse bigbrovar: the short answer is that the packages take care of everything elated to users and permissions :-) 06:57 asaurat hi 06:53 bigbrovar cait: thanks 06:51 cait maybe ask around a little later 06:51 cait sorry i have to run 06:50 AmitG heya cait 06:50 cait you are more likely to break something 06:50 bigbrovar cait: can I run the debian command as root? 06:50 cait yeah, iw ould start with leaving things as they are 06:50 bigbrovar cait: so I leave things as there are? 06:50 cait it's mostly taken care of 06:50 cait but you shoudl take a look at the commands 06:50 cait the user of your instance i think 06:50 cait if you mess with permissoins you might break their magic :) 06:50 bigbrovar the tl;dr of all am saying is which user do koha crons run under 06:50 cait the packages should take care of all of that I think 06:49 cait have you looked at the commands made available by the packages? 06:49 bigbrovar is this the same case with the package install? I noticed root owns files under /usr/share/koha 06:49 bigbrovar runs the crons otherwise things won't work 06:48 bigbrovar Hi guys, I installed koha (3.12) using the debain packages following the wiki, I just want to understand which user runs koha (and koha services) I understand that a koha user was created on the system with home directory at/var/lib/koha/library .. I am asking before, my previous experience with koha was with building it from source, and in that case I had to create a koha users who was responsibile for ownership of all koha related directories and and 06:35 wahanui hola, reiveune 06:35 reiveune hello 06:06 magnuse :-) 06:06 bag gosh I love a good wassup! 06:02 magnuse wassup! 06:01 bag yo magnuse 06:01 magnuse and hiya bag 06:01 magnuse 16 in california in june - is that kind of cold? 06:00 magnuse and wow did pootle get a facelift while i was away :-) 06:00 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 16.0°C (11:00 PM PDT on June 09, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Rising). 06:00 bag @wunder 93102 06:00 magnuse here too 06:00 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (7:50 AM CEST on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 06:00 magnuse @wunder boo 05:57 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.8°C (7:55 AM CEST on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 05:57 cait more rain :( 05:57 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:38 magnuse :-) 05:38 * cait waves 05:38 * magnuse waves 05:28 bag hey AmitG 05:27 AmitG hi bag 05:27 AmitG hi bag 05:21 saa i am getting an error in kohaadmin and opac "Tag '0' is not a valid tag Biblio.pm line 2346. how to sort out this error. 03:15 dgchina thx jcamins 03:15 eythian later 03:14 jcamins Good night, #koha. 03:14 jcamins Yay! Finished washing the dishes! 03:08 jcamins Why would it be mentioned in mobile.css? 03:07 wizzyrea probably because it's using the CSS from non-mobile for that. 03:07 dgchina yeah, I found #opacrightsidebar in Chrome, but its not mentioned at all in mobile.css 03:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10405 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , User-editable sections should have ids 03:06 jcamins I happen to know that only because I was working on bug 10405 earlier. 03:06 jcamins I generally use Chrome's built in web developer tools or Firebug to find things like that, BTW. 03:06 jcamins #opacrightsidebar 03:05 jcamins It's appended. 03:05 dgchina Haven't figured out yet what div I should be editing in OpacUserCSSMobile to move the right sidebar 03:02 dgchina if I edit OpacUserCSSMobile, it replaces the default CSS? Or is appended? 03:02 jcamins The right sidebar is supposed to be responsive. 03:02 jcamins dgchina: you can change the OpacUserCSSMobile. 03:00 dgchina Samsung Galaxy S2 03:00 mtj curious, what device...? 02:58 dgchina trying to figure out what needs to be changed in the mobile theme to either move it or remove it 02:58 dgchina I noticed when you have content in the right sidebar of the ccsr theme, it shows up at the bottom of the mobile theme on some devices. That's with the css out of the box for both. 02:56 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 02:56 wizzyrea the first question? 02:54 mtj hmm, not me dgchina... 02:23 dgchina anybody here messed around with the mobile CSS for CCSR? 02:07 jcamins "Static IPv6 addresses for eythian! Static IPv6 addresses for eythian!" 02:07 eythian I could also have my machine's name point to an AAAA on our internal network. 02:07 * jcamins gets out the signs for picketing Catalyst. 02:06 eythian I should. 02:06 jcamins *address 02:06 jcamins eythian: you should demand a static IPv6 IP. 01:40 rangi then gource can do stuff like that 01:40 rangi i just have a little perl script that does a db query and generates a changelog from it 01:40 rangi you could do it for anything that you timestamp 01:39 wizzyrea would be cool for the library website too 01:38 rangi its something you could run slightly delayed on a monitor if you wanted 01:38 rangi id been planing to do it for a while, just finally got around to it 01:37 jcamins What made you think of doing that visualization? 01:36 rangi yep 01:33 mtj ooooh, is it done with gource chris? 01:33 mtj heyas... 01:29 wizzyrea that is really cool 01:28 bag ha no I hadn't 01:27 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y07bw2Ju5zY&feature=youtu.be 01:27 bag from last weekend? 01:27 bag which one? 01:22 rangi did you see the video i did? 01:21 rangi cool 01:21 bag it was just me and Aloo this weekend - so that was fun! 01:20 rangi ahh not the most fun weekend then 01:20 bag eh worked on a migration 01:20 rangi yep not too bad, you? 01:20 bag good weekend? 01:19 rangi hey bag 01:19 bag hey chris 01:17 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 01:17 rangi @later tell tcohen i always called it one week before so the 15th 00:55 tcohen night #koha, cya tomorrow