Time Nick Message 23:37 bag I checked first :P 23:37 * jcamins hopes they're not vegetarian! 23:36 bag I'm going to make that for BobB and irma when they are here on monday 23:36 bag best thing that I've ever cooked on it though - was pork chops - injected with peach juice :) 23:35 bag yeah kamado grill 23:34 jcamins This is in your tandoor-bbq grill? 23:34 jcamins bag: gotcha. 23:34 bag just checking on the last stages of that 23:33 bag jcamins: I've got a 20 hour smoking of a pork butt going 23:33 bag yeah mtj I think edveal has been working on parts of the XSLT RDA stuff 23:33 jcamins 3:30? 23:33 jcamins A bit of a late lunch, isn't it? 23:33 bag sorry I was off making pulled pork sandwiches!!! yummy 23:31 mtj all good :) 23:29 * jcamins too. :P 23:28 mtj i think bag was joking back there :) 23:27 jcamins But I tend to be a bit more blunt when that's what I'm trying to communicate. 23:27 jcamins Unless, I suppose, I were trying to say "do it yourself already." 23:27 jcamins bag: if mtj were an LIS student, there wouldn't be much point in my suggesting to him that he delegate the task to one. 23:27 mtj Irma told me its actually part of the MARC21 spec :D 23:26 mtj …saying i thought it was a bug. 23:25 mtj i was bitching on the dev-list last week about marc fields being in UPPERCASE with '--' seperators 23:24 mtj ha, thats insulting to LIS students 23:23 bag mtj != LIS student 23:23 mtj i'm really hoping to avoid duplicating this work, if other have already done bits of it 23:23 mtj … which is why i've been asking on the lists about it :) 23:20 mtj yeah, its boring tedious work - but pretty straight-forward 23:20 jcamins (though of course LIS students are people too!) 23:19 jcamins Kind of painful, but easy enough that you can farm the QA out to an LIS student. 23:19 jcamins Fortunately that's easy to deal with. 23:18 mtj …of which the RDA fields are a subset 23:18 mtj hmm, i think i mean - the bigger task is newly added fields between marc21-8 and marc21-16 23:14 mtj the bigger task is RDA fields…. and newly added fields between marc21-8 and marc21-16 23:12 mtj almost, but not yet 23:10 * jcamins is very curious about this. 23:10 jcamins mtj: have you found out what RDA fields your users want displayed? 23:02 pianohacker weeeeeekend 23:02 pianohacker bye #koha, have a good wekend 22:28 mtj sweet, i'll see if i can catch him on #irc mon/tues 22:27 bag yup edveal 22:26 mtj whats his #irc name…? edveal 22:25 mtj cool, thats awesome news 22:25 bag he's gone for the weekend 22:24 bag when you see him in channel ping him :) 22:24 bag edveal has been working on them 22:24 bag mtj we do 22:24 mtj heya bag, has bywater done any xslt mods for RDA? 22:22 bag yup 22:21 mtj bag, are you still about for a quick Q? 22:14 mtj gmcharlt, ah, i'll just email you, its already half written 22:12 mtj gmcharlt, i was - (if i didnt catch you here 1st) 22:11 gmcharlt mtj: well, feel free to reply to my email :) 22:10 mtj yo yo baby b 22:10 bag yo mtj HI 22:08 * mtj was just gonna reply to your email 22:07 mtj gmcharlt, about? 21:33 gmcharlt pianohacker: something rather, rather old 21:33 cait good night all :) 21:33 cait guess it's time to sleep 21:33 pianohacker what am I even watching? 21:29 cait oh 21:25 gmcharlt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itg32Hr9mY0 21:23 bag one of the best comedy routines of all time 21:20 jcamins No, who's on first. 21:19 bag who plays left field 21:19 cait :) 21:19 * cait starts to feel left out 21:19 jcamins I don't know! (third base!) 21:18 pianohacker no, what's on second 21:17 cait pianohacker: what did i miss? :) 21:17 pianohacker For posting who's on first 21:17 pianohacker gmcharlt++ 21:17 jcamins Actually, he's been shedding his winter coat these past few weeks, so he's spent most of his sleeping time in the office stretched out on the floor in the hopes that I'll curry him. 21:16 pianohacker "oh no that simply will not do" 21:15 pianohacker "But sir we have our _finest_ mattresses over here, made from tip-top chinese polyester" 21:15 gmcharlt heh 21:14 jcamins "Pip pip good sir, could you please tell me where you keep your bales of paper?" 21:14 cait jcamins: myshkin is a cat - what did you expect? :) 21:14 jcamins gmcharlt: actually, that's useful to know. I can sound very knowledgeable. 21:14 gmcharlt jcamins: yeah, just teasting -- random factoid I picked up just now from wikipedia 21:14 cait jcamins: he likes to choose his own bed 21:14 jcamins Anyway, the point is, he likes that box way more than he ever liked the bed. 21:13 jcamins gmcharlt: is that the unit? I guess so. 21:13 cait bag: it's made for eating, i will hve to think about things i can bring to Reno :) 21:13 melia thanks 21:13 bag welcome back from lunch melia 21:13 gmcharlt jcamins: so you're saying you bought a bale of paper? 21:12 bag it was still yummy and good timing 21:12 cait i hope you liked it 21:12 jcamins Noooooooooo how could you do that?!? It was a hare not a coney! 21:12 cait it's way after easter, it had a long life 21:12 bag but Ginny had fun with the little bell :D 21:12 bag I wanted some chocolate and couldn't resist 21:11 bag so cait I ate the bunny the other day 21:11 cait :) 21:11 bag oh hey cait 21:11 * cait waves 21:11 rhcl hey bag 21:11 gmcharlt hi bag 21:11 bag hey gmcharlt jcamins and rhcl 21:09 jcamins Well, 10 reams of paper, actually, I guess... a ream is just the 500-sheet package, isn't it? 21:09 jcamins Then when I bought a ream of paper and put the top right where the bed had been, he jumped into the box top, and he cries if we try to take it away. 21:09 gmcharlt (though it may have helped that I sprinkled it with a large dose of catnip when I moved it) 21:08 jcamins We finally got rid of Myshkin's beds because he *never* used them. 21:08 gmcharlt the cat bed in question in fact had been studiously ignored for *years* ... until I moved it into my office 21:07 gmcharlt jcamins: I know, right? 21:07 jcamins gmcharlt: your cats use their cat bed(s)? 21:06 rhcl gmcharlt/cait <- too funny 21:06 jcamins So why is it that they sent mail to the wrong address? 21:06 jcamins I moved over a year ago, and have changed my address at least twice with this bank. 21:06 jcamins banks-- 21:04 cait just trying to tease jcamins, but guess he is already gone again 21:03 wahanui well, jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. 21:03 cait jcamins? 21:03 cait maybe you are right about wahanui... after all 21:03 wahanui jcamins is brilliant 21:03 cait jcamins? 21:03 gmcharlt cait++ 21:03 cait i was worried it wouldn't work :) 21:03 cait phew 21:02 gmcharlt yum! 21:02 cait gmcharlt rmsnack cookies ? :) 21:02 wahanui :) 21:02 cait wahanui botsnack cookies 21:02 cait see - he is helping! 21:01 wahanui hmmm... i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow. 21:01 gmcharlt wahanui: what is wahanui? 21:01 gmcharlt clever 21:01 gmcharlt heh 21:01 wahanui yes, gmcharlt? 21:01 gmcharlt wahanui? 21:01 jcamins Ah. 21:01 gmcharlt wahanui is just something that happens to rub gmcharlt the wrong way, sometimes 21:01 gmcharlt jcamins: cait: sure, I get that 21:00 jcamins gmcharlt: that would entirely ruin the wahanui experience. 20:59 jcamins pianohacker: HTML5++ 20:45 cait i was thx :) 20:43 gmcharlt cait: in case you were asking about Abbott & Costello - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=airT-m9LcoY 20:43 cait lots of it. :) 20:43 cait well... more like 2 thirds of the fun... 20:43 cait gmcharlt: that would kill half of the fun! 20:42 cait huh? :) 20:42 gmcharlt Dyrcona: heh. I'd be happier if wahanui only learned statements it was explicitly told to remember 20:41 Dyrcona s/routing/routine/ 20:41 Dyrcona About every 3rd time I pay attention in here, someone is having an Abbott & Costello routing with wahanui. :) 20:37 gmcharlt hi cait 20:37 tcohen make javascript translatable 20:37 cait hi gmcharlt 20:36 tcohen 10249 20:36 wahanui gmcharlt: I forgot which one 20:36 gmcharlt wahanui: forget which one 20:36 cait ssh wahanui 20:36 wahanui which one is that? 20:36 cait oh which one? 20:36 tcohen i read your message 20:36 tcohen hi cait 20:35 cait :) 20:35 cait hi tcohen 20:35 jwagner /quit 20:27 tcohen hi rangi 20:13 cait ;) 20:12 cait bye khall_away :) 20:10 cait i should ready back all the way :) 20:10 cait ah 20:09 cait i don't know about the use of individual tags 20:09 cait pianohacker: i think we have a html5 doctype now 19:47 pianohacker nvm, wiki has it: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#HTML_Templates 19:45 pianohacker does anyone know what our html/xhtml/html5 policy is? 19:45 pianohacker crap, he hasn't gotten back yet 19:45 huginn` pianohacker: oleonard was last seen in #koha 1 day, 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: * oleonard hops in his time machine and sets it for the future 19:45 pianohacker @seen oleonard 18:53 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.6°C (8:50 PM CEST on June 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 18:52 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:31 cait maybe you will find some more hints on the bug report 18:09 jcamins I don't believe there is any. What I wrote in the release notes is the extent of what I or anyone I asked knew about it. 18:07 bigbrovar__ Hi guys, anyone knows we I can find the ldap documentation for the improved ldap support in koha 3.12 17:12 pianohacker ooh, this is new: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/ 17:12 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10343: DBRev 3.13.00.007 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a588325ed67a551bb28fd2dd63b717c056360808> / Bug 10343: dbrev for rename OpacShowHoldNotes to OpacHoldNotes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=168cd232f869755f89bc7590c9d962e2cdc9db1d> / Bug 10343: Rename OpacShowHoldNotes to OpacHoldNotes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff; 17:07 cait hi pianohacker 17:07 pianohacker hey cait 17:01 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10321: QA Followup on report 9722 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aacb81f0abd36a2ce3800f5bff15ef2652e418a9> / Bug 10321: Followup for hold notes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=388a4bd47cbd4f031b5f48674572725da0d4403a> 16:52 reiveune1 bye 16:52 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Open Source Electronic Resource Management Systems (ERMs) http://t.co/HpOtnRqF2Y #KohaILS" 16:23 gaetan_B bye ! 16:19 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2774 - Path to theme is hard-coded in many places <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=32fa69ee3641fabaff03994c2abddaefc38b9579> 16:07 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10370: Add item barcode to circulation print summary page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5029260a01ee6c47ec74deece7020665100387d> / Bug 10368: (followup) tweak label <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cf55d9381418aeeb0895f6d99add957acc7bcfd> / Bug 10368 - Added price to overdue report <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6f7a 15:57 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10221 - hold expiration doesn't show on patron's list of holds <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=225a7007052e9027f6fa1c141c6a3494224c1af8> 15:53 kf maximep: thank you :) 15:53 maximep kf: sure, will try to take an hour to look at it 15:47 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10354 - Don't show optgroup Libraries when no search groups are defined <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=545ed7a0b6f7cffc7a5cc904963b7bdcf75038fc> / Bug 9300 - filtering Export (MARC) data by accession date does not work <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cf5da12ef8667513d2f6fb494c6997cbe82899b> 15:37 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10420 - Standardize spelling of "authorized" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=20180b4c392219f41d86becbbda1133ac9c2c075> 15:27 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10414 - "Course Reserves" should be "Course reserves" in global "More" menu <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fa326af89dd3e6d5bddbc1e826d63818371699f> 15:25 jcamins Yes. 15:25 bigbrovar__ Hi guys .. does koha use the default system's MTA for sending emails? 15:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7498 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Failed QA , Cloning a budget, enable change of description 15:24 jcamins bug 7498 15:23 kf ? 15:23 kf coudl you take a look at 7498 maybe 15:22 kf maximep: ... as you are here... 15:21 maximep huh, so weird that my patches for 9549 and 8600 were sent with the email of my coworker. Bah, all good, i'm happy they are merged to master :D 14:21 kf gmcharlt++ :) 14:20 gmcharlt and now, it's not 14:20 gmcharlt slef: yes, that's a database connection error :P 14:11 wahanui somebody said friday was pizzaday! 14:11 kf friday? 14:06 libsysguy o/ 13:14 samueld hi everybody 12:55 kf :) 12:50 Joubu kf: yep, fixed :) 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Don't show optgroup Libraries when no search groups are defined 12:46 kf Joubu: bug number confusion? :) bug 10354 12:35 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS Mise à jour de Piwik en version 1.12 http://t.co/HhM7xc2xwW" 12:15 huginn` jwagner: The operation succeeded. 12:15 jwagner @later tell wizzyrea Just got your later, I emailed your catalyst address 12:14 jwagner Thanks, must have missed that move 12:13 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ 12:13 jcamins logs? 12:13 jwagner Speaking of administrators, has the IRC log site moved? http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ hasn't responded for a few days 12:05 kf outlook is misbehaving. 12:04 jcamins Hehe. 12:04 kf slef: or maybe drive by? I see the linode is in london ;) 12:03 wahanui i heard administrators was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 12:03 kf administrators? 12:03 kf administrators is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 12:01 kf slef: the website recently moved to a new linode server 12:01 kf slef: i think you might want to contact wizzyrea about that 11:33 AmitG hello slef 10:57 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded. 10:57 slef @later tell gmcharlt and by "look at" I mean "fix if possible" not just reply telling me "yes, that's a database connection error" ;-) 10:56 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded. 10:56 slef @later tell gmcharlt can you look at the database connection error on http://koha-community.org/wp-login.php please? 10:56 huginn` slef: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 15 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> and it's copied all over the place 10:56 slef @seen gmcharlt 10:56 huginn` slef: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 21 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> that's important file a bug 10:56 slef @seen wizzyrea 10:56 huginn` slef: rangi was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 38 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <rangi> started 18 mins ago 10:56 slef @seen rangi 10:55 wahanui wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org 10:55 slef wahanui: wiki? 10:55 wahanui slef: no idea 10:55 slef wahanui: webmasters? 10:55 wahanui i haven't a clue, slef 10:55 slef wahanui: administrators? 10:55 slef help! 10:55 slef http://koha-community.org/wp-login.php also gives me a database error. 10:54 slef trying to login to fix... 10:54 slef that link is on http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13/ but it's missing a kohacon13 10:54 slef sorry 10:54 slef WRONG 10:54 slef GNOME PPP: STDERR: --> Ignoring malformed input line: ";Do NOT edit this file by hand!" 10:54 slef GNOME PPP: Connecting... 10:54 slef WVCONF: /home/mjr/.wvdial.conf 10:53 slef (gnome-ppp:3859): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated 10:53 slef (gnome-ppp:3859): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated 10:53 slef mjr@bletchley:~$ gnome-ppp 10:53 slef gnome-panel-screenshot gnome-power-preferences gnome-ppp 10:53 slef gnome-panel gnome-power-manager gnome-power-statistics 10:53 slef ah that link is on mjr@bletchley:~$ gnome-p 10:52 slef any else getting "Error establishing a database connection" on http://koha-community.org/kohacon/sponsor-kohacon13/ ? 10:29 kf bigbrovar_: packages if you are using debian or ubuntu 09:53 AmitG heya bag 09:49 bigbrovar what is the recommended installation procedure .. I am more comfortable installing from source .. but it seems using the debian packages is more recommended way 09:48 bigbrovar mtj: Its looking like I might have to do a reinstall. an oppotunity to have a fresh start, and get the installation on better hardware. 09:31 mtj those 3 files will fill your empty tables with the needed rows 09:30 mtj ./en/mandatory/sample_notices_message_attributes.sql 09:29 mtj ./en/mandatory/sample_notices_message_transports.sql 09:29 mtj ./en/mandatory/message_transport_types.sql 09:29 mtj ahh, ok.. 09:27 bigbrovar mtj:but its empty 09:27 bigbrovar mtj: i did recreate the database from the kohastructure.sql, checked the table it exists 09:08 mtj prolly from 3.0 to 3.4 you missed getting those table rows, i think 09:07 mtj bigbrovar, i speak with some experience here... i just fixed mine :D 09:06 kf so it shoudl be good now, maybeonly a problem for really old installations 09:06 mtj ...actually, in the last few weeks even :) 09:06 kf we moved it a while ago to mandatory 09:06 mtj yeah, ive been caught out too with the messaging tables 09:06 kf you might have missed it 09:06 kf so if you didn't check it during installation time in the web installer 09:05 kf some of the messaging stuff was not mandatory in the past 09:05 mtj hm, not too sure what happened 09:05 mtj koha.sql == ./installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql 09:04 bigbrovar or could the mysql table have been corrupted 09:04 bigbrovar mtj: bad upgrade? cus I upgraded from 3.0* to 3.4 and then to 3.10 09:03 bigbrovar mtj: thanks alot, I will do that. What do u think could have caused this to happen? 09:03 mtj (thats wot i'd do) 09:03 mtj ...into your glitchy db 09:02 mtj then dump what tables you need from that pristine db 09:02 mtj then load the koha.sql into that db 09:02 mtj just make a new db, 09:01 bigbrovar let me try and create that 09:01 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "moof1" (23 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/53 08:59 mtj yeah, you have some rows missing from your messages_* tables; 08:59 mtj aah, i just see yr pic 08:58 mtj but, i cant see why you cant edit those values 08:58 mtj my hunch may be wrong too 08:57 mtj its easy to add maunally, no need for a reinstall 08:57 mtj hmm, or your user does not have enuff perms? 08:57 bigbrovar mtj: can it be created manually? or would u suggest a reinstall? 08:55 mtj bigbrovar ^^ 08:55 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "moof" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/52 08:55 mtj bigbrovar, my hunch - you are missing rows message_attributes table; 08:53 bigbrovar mtj: this is what I get http://imgur.com/df1bxQL 08:52 * mtj waves to all 08:52 cjh :) 08:52 kf evening cjh 08:51 cjh morning kf 08:49 bigbrovar mtj: it does take me to the same page.. but all I see a save button.. .. non of the entry on that page can be modified 08:47 kf good morning all 08:44 drojf good morning #koha 08:41 mtj and you? 08:41 mtj … clicking edit, takes me to memberentry.pl screen 08:39 mtj pass… it works for me 08:38 bigbrovar mtj: I am there now, I can see it. "Patron messaging preferences" but when I click "edit" I cant make any input change 08:35 mtj Patron messaging preferences, is on patrons 'details' screen... 08:34 bigbrovar I most have missed it during install 08:34 bigbrovar mtj: I didn't just did now. Thanks 08:34 mtj flick the 'ExtendedPatronAttributes' syspref to on 08:33 mtj did you enable the syspref? 08:33 bigbrovar mtj: please I have been search the staff client but I cant find Item checkout=email .. I cant even find the patron messaging preference :( 08:32 mtj ..so that ./process_message_queue.pl has actual pending rows stuff to process 08:31 mtj before running ./process_message_queue.pl - check your message_queue table for rows with a 'pending' status 08:30 mtj check your postfix logs to confirm it got an email from koha 08:28 mtj ...and you should get an email 08:25 mtj running process_message_queue.pl will process that record, and change its status to 'sent' 08:24 mtj ...with a status of 'pending' 08:24 mtj you should see a new row in the message_queue tables 08:23 mtj then issue an item for that patron... 08:22 mtj go to a test patron, and set 'Item checkout'='email' , for Patron messaging preferences 08:22 mtj flick the 'ExtendedPatronAttributes' syspref to on 08:21 mtj heres a good idea for testing... 08:17 bigbrovar mtj: let me check the mysql db 08:15 mtj ie; is there anything to send 08:15 mtj so, have you check that there are any rows in that table, 1st? 08:14 mtj you need some notifications in the table 1st, before that script will send them… 08:13 bigbrovar running process_message_queue.pl doesn't give any error message. But knewly created patrons don't get email notification. 08:12 bigbrovar mtj: any idea how? I have already configured and setup postfix, and also added process_message_queue.pl to a cronjob. 08:11 mtj yeah, it is 08:07 bigbrovar mtj: is it possible to enable email notification for a koha instance installed from source? 08:06 bigbrovar mtj: we have been running this koha instance for close to 2 years now. Just never got to fix the problem. I setup MTA uses postfix which works on the local server 08:06 mtj koha-email-enable only works with a pkg install 08:05 bigbrovar mtj: I already have a working instance of koha which I built from source.. is there no way to enable email notification using that? or i would have to reinstall to get this functionality? 08:02 mtj done... 08:01 mtj # koha-email-enable your-koha 08:01 mtj bigbrovar, use the deb packages to install koha 07:35 mveron Hi #koha 07:21 bigbrovar I found something online about the koha-email-enable script but I have no idea how to enable that 07:20 bigbrovar at first I tot the process_message_queue.pl script does the trick.. but notification never works still. 07:19 bigbrovar I am trying to get email notification to work but cant seem to figure out how. am running koha 3.10.02 on ubuntu 10.04 . I already have postfix mta configured and working 07:19 christophe_c hello #koha 07:17 bigbrovar Hi everyone 07:17 alex_a hello ! 07:15 gaetan_B it does :) 07:15 dcook It goes well? 07:15 gaetan_B hey dcook :) 07:13 dcook hey ya gaetan_B 07:13 gaetan_B hello 07:03 * dcook waves to francharb, asaurat, and lds 07:03 wahanui kai ora, asaurat 07:03 asaurat hi 06:51 dcook How go things in France? 06:50 reiveune hi dcook :) 06:50 paul_p good morning #koha 06:50 dcook hey reiveune, paul_p 06:40 reiveune hello 06:34 matts I wish I could have tasted it :) 06:33 bag it was good! you would have liked it 06:33 bag so I brewed a french saison - in honor of being in france for the hackfest :P 06:32 matts hello ! 06:32 bag hey matts 06:25 cait bbl 06:24 cait heh have fun :) 06:23 dcook ... 06:23 dcook Not the queen and I 06:23 dcook My partner and I 06:23 dcook I think we're going hiking in the mountains :) 06:23 dcook (apparently) 06:23 dcook Queen's birthday on Monday 06:23 cait holiday? 06:23 cait oh 06:22 dcook Lots achieved so that's good. And a long weekend! 06:22 dcook Almost the end of the day :) 06:21 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 15.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 06:21 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:21 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found. 06:21 cait @wunder Konstnaz 06:21 cait right after lunch? :) 06:17 dcook Now I'm getting sleeeepy... 05:46 dcook I just got back from lunch anyway :) 05:37 * cait waves back belatedly 04:30 * dcook waves to cait 04:27 mtj hmmm, i bet paul-fenwick would have a good answer to that one :D 04:25 mtj cat perl-deps > cpanm 04:25 mtj scan_prereqs --combine | sed 's/=.*$//' > perl-deps 04:25 mtj cd ./qa-tools 04:24 mtj the best ive got so far is -> https://github.com/rjbs/perl-prereqscanner 04:23 mtj ? 04:23 mtj a random cpan Q… whats the best way to compile a list of needed perl packages, for an app 04:21 dcook I haven't even had lunch yet :( 04:20 mtj im with the chriseses 04:20 cjh heh 04:19 dcook I hope I make it there before you all go home and get beaten by rangi O_O 04:19 cjh and beaten by rangi. 04:19 dcook Once I sort out this Javascript/XPATH stuff, I should really work on teleportation... 04:18 cjh it started 18 minutes ago, if you leave now you may be able to make it before we all go home. 04:18 rangi started 18 mins ago 04:17 dcook Mmm beer o'clock would be good about now 03:07 jcamins You are quite welcome. 03:07 dcook Thanks again :) 03:07 dcook night, jcamins 03:07 * jcamins calls it a night as well. 02:58 mtompset Everyone have a great day (24 hour period). 02:58 cjh night mtompset :) 02:58 cjh heh 02:58 mtompset Well, I'm off for the night. 02:58 rangi Hehe 02:58 ibeardslee quick everyone leave the building .. leaving L7 empty 02:58 dcook Sounds like your day is improving then 02:57 rangi At meetings 02:57 rangi Should make it for beer oclock 02:57 * dcook wonders where rangi was before 02:57 * rangi heads back towards catalyst 02:57 dcook hehe 02:56 cjh heh 02:56 cjh unrelated* 02:55 cjh unrealted: <3 cheap trans-tasman flights 02:55 dcook I suppose that gives me 3 hours to mount my defenses... 02:55 dcook Eeeeep! 02:55 * cjh will be there in 3 hours to make this happen 02:54 dcook Its base is considerably wider than mine ;) 02:54 * cjh waits for the chair to topple 02:54 dcook There are armrests ^_^ 02:54 * cjh waits for dcook to fall off 02:53 * dcook sways in his chair and calls it dancing 02:53 dcook Huzzah! 02:52 jcamins Yay! 02:49 dcook I just need to reverse my backtracking and there's my relative XPATH :D 02:49 dcook You, sir, are a legend. 02:49 dcook Thanks for mentioning that rangy library 02:49 dcook jcamins++ 02:40 jcamins I'll use fetch instead of retrieve, which we use nowhere. 02:40 jcamins We also use fetch, apparently. 02:39 jcamins Because elsewhere in Koha we use ->get() to mean "retrieve this object from the database." 02:39 cjh why would you create your own get method when class::accessor handles that? 02:37 jcamins Bah. I can't create a method ->get() without some disturbing weirdness. 02:34 jcamins Missing the package declaration. 02:34 jcamins Oh. 02:34 jcamins Now... why is new not working? 02:33 jcamins class_accessor++ 02:33 jcamins template_toolkit++ 02:33 eythian keeping in mind it compiles to perl, a lot of stuff should magically work like that 02:32 mtompset Oooo... interesting question. 02:32 jcamins Cool! 02:32 jcamins The Variables POD says yes. 02:31 jcamins A quick question about TT. If I had an object that used Class::Accessor, could I pass that object directly to a T::T template and have it automagically work? 01:39 dcook hehe 01:39 eythian rangi is going to be so confused when he gets back 01:39 dcook Actually, I might not even need to do that.. 01:37 dcook Ooh, rangy is supposed to have some save/storage methods.. 01:35 dcook I might have a div[@id=group] then div[@id=sub-group] then be selecting elements like h4/text() which have a direct ancestor of div[@id=sub-group] 01:33 dcook Exactly 01:33 jcamins If you know it's going to be a direct ancestor, just check whether a given node is the context node, and if it is, stop? 01:33 dcook Is there a way to recurse back through the parents and stop once they've reached my contextnode? 01:32 dcook Getting the group of nodes or the repeating node is fairly easy.. 01:32 dcook Relative to either a large group of nodes or a repeating node within that group (or both) 01:32 jcamins Relative to... ? 01:31 dcook So I want to make fairly relative XPATHs 01:31 dcook Except that I want it to be generalizable 01:31 jcamins And from there you can get a list of all the parents and generate the xpath from that. 01:30 dcook Yeah 01:30 jcamins The commonAncestorContainer should be the text node. 01:30 dcook Which in this case should be the text node still 01:30 dcook Then, I get the ancestor container... 01:29 dcook Which, because I'm just highlighting the text is the text node 01:29 dcook So when I use getRangeAt(0)...I'm grabbing the first node in my range? 01:29 dcook Seems like it 01:28 jcamins Right, from the commonAncestorContainer you can get the parent easily. 01:28 dcook Excellent 01:27 dcook I just need to remember to grab the parent too 01:27 dcook Which...is probably fine 01:27 dcook I'm still just getting the text object 01:27 dcook Hmm, jcamins, I don't think that's working 01:26 cjh hahahhaa wahanui is fantastic. 01:25 pianohacker night :) 01:25 dcook night, pianohacker 01:25 dcook hehe 01:25 pianohacker creeperbot 01:25 pianohacker wow 01:25 wahanui If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me. 01:25 pianohacker good night 01:24 dcook Mmm, nevermind. I think I get that.. 01:23 dcook Or rather, what is a range object? 01:23 dcook What does getRangeAt(0) do? 01:22 jcamins That's why you use $(...commonAncestorContainer). 01:21 dcook But I think what actually happens is that I'm just selecting the text node 01:21 dcook In my mind, I'm selecting an element and its text node 01:21 dcook I think it might just be how browsers select things 01:20 dcook Hmm, seems like rangy works the same way... 00:48 dcook Hmm, thanks for the info :) 00:46 jcamins https://github.com/jcamins/biblionarrator/blob/master/public/js/recordEditor.js#L144 <-- easy, once you get the hang of it 00:45 dcook I'll definitely check it out 00:45 jcamins Yup. 00:45 dcook https://code.google.com/p/rangy/ ? 00:45 dcook I think I like the sound of this 00:45 * dcook quickly Googles 00:44 jcamins If it's not actually supposed to be editable, I'd just use rangy. 00:44 dcook It's just what I have to hand at the moment 00:44 dcook Not especially no 00:43 jcamins So is there any reason to have a tinymce control there? 00:43 jcamins Got it. 00:43 dcook Ideally 00:43 dcook When you write it out manually, it works great, but...the UI needs to be for someone less experienced with XPATH queries 00:42 dcook Storing it in a database, so that I can then retrieve content from that page in the future 00:42 jcamins (this influences my advice) 00:42 jcamins What are you doing with the xpath? 00:41 dcook Instead of getting the node, it seems to get the value when you just select one node 00:41 dcook But since I'm drilling down to individual elements instead of groups of elements, that tinymce method isn't working as the documentation says it's supposed to (if I read it correctly) 00:40 dcook Then, I want to make XPATH expressions for parts of the content within that div 00:40 dcook Then, at a lower level, I want the divs that repeat within that div (also pretty easy to get) 00:40 dcook At a high level, I want an overarching div (easy to get) 00:40 dcook Essentially, I'm fetching some HTML, then trying to make some XPATH to point to certain parts of the content 00:39 jcamins I thought you had a tinymce control from which you happened to need the path. 00:39 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 00:39 jcamins First question? 00:39 jcamins Okay. 00:38 dcook This seems so close though 00:37 dcook My other thought was possibly using an iframe and then just using jquery 00:37 jcamins Then I abandoned tinymce. 00:36 dcook That's always a thought 00:36 jcamins I modified tinymce. 00:35 jcamins Oh, that won't help. 00:33 dcook That works too 00:33 pianohacker redeemable at your local karma shop 00:32 pianohacker just give 'im karma 00:32 dcook I've got something working pretty well for getting the top level element and attributes for a group of highlighted elements 00:32 dcook Even the weekend although I might not be online enough to praise you ;) 00:32 dcook I would be grateful for at least the rest of the day 00:31 jcamins Lemme see if I can find how to do it. 00:31 dcook Oh? 00:31 dcook Of another page that I'm pulling into the editor 00:31 jcamins Oh, I did that. 00:31 pianohacker hum, that does sound tricky 00:31 jcamins I gave up on TinyMCE. 00:31 dcook But not of the page I'm working with... 00:31 dcook Trying to get the XPATH of a highlighted section of HTML 00:31 dcook Mmm, non-Koha side project 00:31 pianohacker dcook: What are you working with tinymce for? 00:29 * dcook wishes that Tinymce's getNode method was better... 00:28 dcook [off] Community! ^_^ 00:26 pianohacker [off] Still getting used to being in the community again :P 00:26 dcook [off] Ah. 00:26 pianohacker [off] dcook: Yeah, I have an entire summer's worth of work in the now-forked version of Koha 00:25 jcamins [off] dcook: I think that was a euphemistic way of saying that there might be former Koha service providers that might have considered suing you into oblivion if you ever accidentally mentioned what work you might be doing for them. 00:25 pianohacker oh, heh, cool :) 00:24 jcamins I knew you were working on it, since you mentioned it, but until just now never cared to see what approach you were taking. 00:24 dcook Too chatty? 00:24 jcamins pianohacker: I just looked in your github. 00:24 pianohacker glad you like it, though 00:24 pianohacker oh, you know about it! Cool. After previous experiences with... other Koha companies, I've been hesitant to be too chatty 00:23 jcamins pianohacker: I like the way you're doing the pazpar2. 00:20 pianohacker Another table-bone connected to the form-bone connected to the SQL-bone 00:19 jcamins Ah. 00:19 pianohacker for some pazpar2-related work I'm doing 00:19 pianohacker hahaha well, yeah, this is a new one 00:19 jcamins Which admin screen? 00:18 dcook :) 00:18 dcook Because the admin screen needs work? 00:18 pianohacker why of all things, that? 00:18 pianohacker I just worked 45 min past the end of the day because I was really into this admin screen 00:18 jcamins pianohacker: sadly, we all suffer from the cataloging module. 00:18 dcook That's what you get for hacking pianos 00:18 * pianohacker has a problem 00:17 dcook Yeah, it wouldn't be a picnic, that's for sure 00:16 jcamins subfields, rather. 00:16 jcamins The connection between indicators and fields is not particularly clear. 00:15 dcook Hmm, how so? 00:14 jcamins The DOM is out of order. 00:13 jcamins The cataloging interface is unusable on a screen reader anyway. 00:12 dcook Originally, I thought they didn't allow it, but recently it seems like you're allowed to have JS, so long as you still have core functionality intact without it 00:12 dcook I'm still a bit fuzzy on how accessibility standards handle JS 00:12 dcook Well, I suppose it depends on the user. 00:12 dcook You wouldn't be able to open any closed fields without JS 00:11 jcamins Fallback is nice, but not having it isn't really a _problem_. 00:11 dcook Mmm, now that I think about it, that's true 00:11 jcamins Period. 00:11 jcamins The staff client doesn't work without javascript. 00:11 jcamins I'm not sure. 00:11 dcook With bootstrap, you can't. And THAT is an even bigger problem O_O 00:11 dcook What I realized now is that with YUI, you could still add a record without JS 00:10 dcook wizzyrea: Bug has been filed :)