Time  Nick          Message
23:37 bag           I checked first :P
23:37 * jcamins     hopes they're not vegetarian!
23:36 bag           I'm going to make that for BobB and irma when they are here on monday
23:36 bag           best thing that I've ever cooked on it though - was pork chops - injected with peach juice :)
23:35 bag           yeah kamado grill
23:34 jcamins       This is in your tandoor-bbq grill?
23:34 jcamins       bag: gotcha.
23:34 bag           just checking on the last stages of that
23:33 bag           jcamins: I've got a 20 hour smoking of a pork butt going
23:33 bag           yeah mtj I think edveal has been working on parts of the XSLT RDA stuff
23:33 jcamins       3:30?
23:33 jcamins       A bit of a late lunch, isn't it?
23:33 bag           sorry I was off making pulled pork sandwiches!!! yummy
23:31 mtj           all good :)
23:29 * jcamins     too. :P
23:28 mtj           i think bag was joking back there :)
23:27 jcamins       But I tend to be a bit more blunt when that's what I'm trying to communicate.
23:27 jcamins       Unless, I suppose, I were trying to say "do it yourself already."
23:27 jcamins       bag: if mtj were an LIS student, there wouldn't be much point in my suggesting to him that he delegate the task to one.
23:27 mtj           Irma told me its actually part of the MARC21 spec :D
23:26 mtj           …saying i thought it was a bug.
23:25 mtj           i was bitching on the dev-list last week about marc fields being in UPPERCASE with '--' seperators
23:24 mtj           ha, thats insulting to LIS students
23:23 bag           mtj != LIS student
23:23 mtj           i'm really hoping to avoid duplicating this work, if other have already done bits of it
23:23 mtj           … which is why i've been asking on the lists about it :)
23:20 mtj           yeah, its boring tedious work - but pretty straight-forward
23:20 jcamins       (though of course LIS students are people too!)
23:19 jcamins       Kind of painful, but easy enough that you can farm the QA out to an LIS student.
23:19 jcamins       Fortunately that's easy to deal with.
23:18 mtj           …of which the RDA fields are a subset
23:18 mtj           hmm, i think i mean - the bigger task is newly added fields between marc21-8 and marc21-16
23:14 mtj           the bigger task is RDA fields….  and newly added fields between marc21-8 and marc21-16
23:12 mtj           almost, but not yet
23:10 * jcamins     is very curious about this.
23:10 jcamins       mtj: have you found out what RDA fields your users want displayed?
23:02 pianohacker   weeeeeekend
23:02 pianohacker   bye #koha, have a good wekend
22:28 mtj           sweet, i'll see if i can catch him on #irc mon/tues
22:27 bag           yup edveal
22:26 mtj           whats his #irc name…?  edveal
22:25 mtj           cool, thats awesome news
22:25 bag           he's gone for the weekend
22:24 bag           when you see him in channel ping him :)
22:24 bag           edveal has been working on them
22:24 bag           mtj we do
22:24 mtj           heya bag, has bywater done any xslt mods for RDA?
22:22 bag           yup
22:21 mtj           bag, are you still about for a quick Q?
22:14 mtj           gmcharlt, ah, i'll just email you, its already half written
22:12 mtj           gmcharlt, i was - (if i didnt catch you here 1st)
22:11 gmcharlt      mtj: well, feel free to reply to my email :)
22:10 mtj           yo yo baby b
22:10 bag           yo mtj HI
22:08 * mtj         was just gonna reply to your email
22:07 mtj           gmcharlt, about?
21:33 gmcharlt      pianohacker: something rather, rather old
21:33 cait          good night all :)
21:33 cait          guess it's time to sleep
21:33 pianohacker   what am I even watching?
21:29 cait          oh
21:25 gmcharlt      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itg32Hr9mY0
21:23 bag           one of the best comedy routines of all time
21:20 jcamins       No, who's on first.
21:19 bag           who plays left field
21:19 cait          :)
21:19 * cait        starts to feel left out
21:19 jcamins       I don't know! (third base!)
21:18 pianohacker   no, what's on second
21:17 cait          pianohacker: what did i miss? :)
21:17 pianohacker   For posting who's on first
21:17 pianohacker   gmcharlt++
21:17 jcamins       Actually, he's been shedding his winter coat these past few weeks, so he's spent most of his sleeping time in the office stretched out on the floor in the hopes that I'll curry him.
21:16 pianohacker   "oh no that simply will not do"
21:15 pianohacker   "But sir we have our _finest_ mattresses over here, made from tip-top chinese polyester"
21:15 gmcharlt      heh
21:14 jcamins       "Pip pip good sir, could you please tell me where you keep your bales of paper?"
21:14 cait          jcamins: myshkin is a cat - what did you expect? :)
21:14 jcamins       gmcharlt: actually, that's useful to know. I can sound very knowledgeable.
21:14 gmcharlt      jcamins: yeah, just teasting -- random factoid I picked up just now from wikipedia
21:14 cait          jcamins: he likes to choose his own bed
21:14 jcamins       Anyway, the point is, he likes that box way more than he ever liked the bed.
21:13 jcamins       gmcharlt: is that the unit? I guess so.
21:13 cait          bag: it's made for eating, i will hve to think about things i can bring to Reno :)
21:13 melia         thanks
21:13 bag           welcome back from lunch melia
21:13 gmcharlt      jcamins: so you're saying you bought a bale of paper?
21:12 bag           it was still yummy and good timing
21:12 cait          i hope you liked it
21:12 jcamins       Noooooooooo how could you do that?!? It was a hare not a coney!
21:12 cait          it's way after easter, it had a long life
21:12 bag           but Ginny had fun with the little bell :D
21:12 bag           I wanted some chocolate and couldn't resist
21:11 bag           so cait I ate the bunny the other day
21:11 cait          :)
21:11 bag           oh hey cait
21:11 * cait        waves
21:11 rhcl          hey bag
21:11 gmcharlt      hi bag
21:11 bag           hey gmcharlt jcamins and rhcl
21:09 jcamins       Well, 10 reams of paper, actually, I guess... a ream is just the 500-sheet package, isn't it?
21:09 jcamins       Then when I bought a ream of paper and put the top right where the bed had been, he jumped into the box top, and he cries if we try to take it away.
21:09 gmcharlt      (though it may have helped that I sprinkled it with a large dose of catnip when I moved it)
21:08 jcamins       We finally got rid of Myshkin's beds because he *never* used them.
21:08 gmcharlt      the cat bed in question in fact had been studiously ignored for *years* ... until I moved it into my office
21:07 gmcharlt      jcamins: I know, right?
21:07 jcamins       gmcharlt: your cats use their cat bed(s)?
21:06 rhcl          gmcharlt/cait <- too funny
21:06 jcamins       So why is it that they sent mail to the wrong address?
21:06 jcamins       I moved over a year ago, and have changed my address at least twice with this bank.
21:06 jcamins       banks--
21:04 cait          just trying to tease jcamins, but guess he is already gone again
21:03 wahanui       well, jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
21:03 cait          jcamins?
21:03 cait          maybe you are right about wahanui... after all
21:03 wahanui       jcamins is brilliant
21:03 cait          jcamins?
21:03 gmcharlt      cait++
21:03 cait          i was worried it wouldn't work :)
21:03 cait          phew
21:02 gmcharlt      yum!
21:02 cait          gmcharlt rmsnack cookies ? :)
21:02 wahanui       :)
21:02 cait          wahanui botsnack cookies
21:02 cait          see - he is helping!
21:01 wahanui       hmmm... i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.
21:01 gmcharlt      wahanui: what is wahanui?
21:01 gmcharlt      clever
21:01 gmcharlt      heh
21:01 wahanui       yes, gmcharlt?
21:01 gmcharlt      wahanui?
21:01 jcamins       Ah.
21:01 gmcharlt      wahanui is just something that happens to rub gmcharlt the wrong way, sometimes
21:01 gmcharlt      jcamins: cait: sure, I get that
21:00 jcamins       gmcharlt: that would entirely ruin the wahanui experience.
20:59 jcamins       pianohacker: HTML5++
20:45 cait          i was thx :)
20:43 gmcharlt      cait: in case you were asking about Abbott & Costello - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=airT-m9LcoY
20:43 cait          lots of it. :)
20:43 cait          well... more like 2 thirds of the fun...
20:43 cait          gmcharlt: that would kill half of the fun!
20:42 cait          huh? :)
20:42 gmcharlt      Dyrcona: heh.  I'd be happier if wahanui only learned statements it was explicitly told to remember
20:41 Dyrcona       s/routing/routine/
20:41 Dyrcona       About every 3rd time I pay attention in here, someone is having an Abbott & Costello routing with wahanui. :)
20:37 gmcharlt      hi cait
20:37 tcohen        make javascript translatable
20:37 cait          hi gmcharlt
20:36 tcohen        10249
20:36 wahanui       gmcharlt: I forgot which one
20:36 gmcharlt      wahanui: forget which one
20:36 cait          ssh wahanui
20:36 wahanui       which one is that?
20:36 cait          oh which one?
20:36 tcohen        i read your message
20:36 tcohen        hi cait
20:35 cait          :)
20:35 cait          hi tcohen
20:35 jwagner       /quit
20:27 tcohen        hi rangi
20:13 cait          ;)
20:12 cait          bye khall_away :)
20:10 cait          i should ready back all the way :)
20:10 cait          ah
20:09 cait          i don't know about the use of individual tags
20:09 cait          pianohacker: i think we have a html5 doctype now
19:47 pianohacker   nvm, wiki has it: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#HTML_Templates
19:45 pianohacker   does anyone know what our html/xhtml/html5 policy is?
19:45 pianohacker   crap, he hasn't gotten back yet
19:45 huginn`       pianohacker: oleonard was last seen in #koha 1 day, 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: * oleonard hops in his time machine and sets it for the future
19:45 pianohacker   @seen oleonard
18:53 huginn`       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.6°C (8:50 PM CEST on June 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
18:52 cait          @wunder Konstanz
18:31 cait          maybe you will find some more hints on the bug report
18:09 jcamins       I don't believe there is any. What I wrote in the release notes is the extent of what I or anyone I asked knew about it.
18:07 bigbrovar__   Hi guys, anyone knows we I can find the ldap documentation for the improved ldap support in koha 3.12
17:12 pianohacker   ooh, this is new: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/
17:12 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10343: DBRev 3.13.00.007 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a588325ed67a551bb28fd2dd63b717c056360808> / Bug 10343: dbrev for rename OpacShowHoldNotes to OpacHoldNotes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=168cd232f869755f89bc7590c9d962e2cdc9db1d> / Bug 10343: Rename OpacShowHoldNotes to OpacHoldNotes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;
17:07 cait          hi pianohacker
17:07 pianohacker   hey cait
17:01 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10321: QA Followup on report 9722 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aacb81f0abd36a2ce3800f5bff15ef2652e418a9> / Bug 10321: Followup for hold notes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=388a4bd47cbd4f031b5f48674572725da0d4403a>
16:52 reiveune1     bye
16:52 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Open Source Electronic Resource Management Systems (ERMs) http://t.co/HpOtnRqF2Y #KohaILS"
16:23 gaetan_B      bye !
16:19 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2774 - Path to theme is hard-coded in many places <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=32fa69ee3641fabaff03994c2abddaefc38b9579>
16:07 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10370: Add item barcode to circulation print summary page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5029260a01ee6c47ec74deece7020665100387d> / Bug 10368: (followup) tweak label <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cf55d9381418aeeb0895f6d99add957acc7bcfd> / Bug 10368 - Added price to overdue report <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6f7a
15:57 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10221 - hold expiration doesn't show on patron's list of holds <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=225a7007052e9027f6fa1c141c6a3494224c1af8>
15:53 kf            maximep: thank you :)
15:53 maximep       kf: sure, will try to take an hour to look at it
15:47 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10354 - Don't show optgroup Libraries when no search groups are defined <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=545ed7a0b6f7cffc7a5cc904963b7bdcf75038fc> / Bug 9300 - filtering Export (MARC) data by accession date does not work <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cf5da12ef8667513d2f6fb494c6997cbe82899b>
15:37 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10420 - Standardize spelling of "authorized" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=20180b4c392219f41d86becbbda1133ac9c2c075>
15:27 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10414 - "Course Reserves" should be "Course reserves" in global "More" menu <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fa326af89dd3e6d5bddbc1e826d63818371699f>
15:25 jcamins       Yes.
15:25 bigbrovar__   Hi guys .. does koha use the default system's MTA for sending emails?
15:24 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7498 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Failed QA , Cloning a budget, enable change of description
15:24 jcamins       bug 7498
15:23 kf            ?
15:23 kf            coudl you take a look at 7498 maybe
15:22 kf            maximep: ... as you are here...
15:21 maximep       huh, so weird that my patches for 9549 and 8600 were sent with the email of my coworker. Bah, all good, i'm happy they are merged to master :D
14:21 kf            gmcharlt++ :)
14:20 gmcharlt      and now, it's not
14:20 gmcharlt      slef: yes, that's a database connection error :P
14:11 wahanui       somebody said friday was pizzaday!
14:11 kf            friday?
14:06 libsysguy     o/
13:14 samueld       hi everybody
12:55 kf            :)
12:50 Joubu         kf: yep, fixed :)
12:46 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Don't show optgroup Libraries when no search groups are defined
12:46 kf            Joubu: bug number confusion? :) bug 10354
12:35 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS  Mise à jour de Piwik en version 1.12 http://t.co/HhM7xc2xwW"
12:15 huginn`       jwagner: The operation succeeded.
12:15 jwagner       @later tell wizzyrea Just got your later, I emailed your catalyst address
12:14 jwagner       Thanks, must have missed that move
12:13 wahanui       logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
12:13 jcamins       logs?
12:13 jwagner       Speaking of administrators, has the IRC log site moved? http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ hasn't responded for a few days
12:05 kf            outlook is misbehaving.
12:04 jcamins       Hehe.
12:04 kf            slef: or maybe drive by? I see the linode is in london ;)
12:03 wahanui       i heard administrators was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration
12:03 kf            administrators?
12:03 kf            administrators is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration
12:01 kf            slef: the website recently moved to a new linode server
12:01 kf            slef: i think you might want to contact wizzyrea about that
11:33 AmitG         hello slef
10:57 huginn`       slef: The operation succeeded.
10:57 slef          @later tell gmcharlt and by "look at" I mean "fix if possible" not just reply telling me "yes, that's a database connection error" ;-)
10:56 huginn`       slef: The operation succeeded.
10:56 slef          @later tell gmcharlt can you look at the database connection error on http://koha-community.org/wp-login.php please?
10:56 huginn`       slef: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 15 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> and it's copied all over the place
10:56 slef          @seen gmcharlt
10:56 huginn`       slef: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 21 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> that's important file a bug
10:56 slef          @seen wizzyrea
10:56 huginn`       slef: rangi was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 38 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <rangi> started 18 mins ago
10:56 slef          @seen rangi
10:55 wahanui       wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org
10:55 slef          wahanui: wiki?
10:55 wahanui       slef: no idea
10:55 slef          wahanui: webmasters?
10:55 wahanui       i haven't a clue, slef
10:55 slef          wahanui: administrators?
10:55 slef          help!
10:55 slef          http://koha-community.org/wp-login.php also gives me a database error.
10:54 slef          trying to login to fix...
10:54 slef          that link is on http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13/ but it's missing a kohacon13
10:54 slef          sorry
10:54 slef          WRONG
10:54 slef          GNOME PPP: STDERR: --> Ignoring malformed input line: ";Do NOT edit this file by hand!"
10:54 slef          GNOME PPP: Connecting...
10:54 slef          WVCONF: /home/mjr/.wvdial.conf
10:53 slef          (gnome-ppp:3859): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated
10:53 slef          (gnome-ppp:3859): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated
10:53 slef          mjr@bletchley:~$ gnome-ppp
10:53 slef          gnome-panel-screenshot   gnome-power-preferences  gnome-ppp
10:53 slef          gnome-panel              gnome-power-manager      gnome-power-statistics
10:53 slef          ah that link is on mjr@bletchley:~$ gnome-p
10:52 slef          any else getting "Error establishing a database connection" on http://koha-community.org/kohacon/sponsor-kohacon13/ ?
10:29 kf            bigbrovar_: packages if you are using debian or ubuntu
09:53 AmitG         heya bag
09:49 bigbrovar     what is the recommended installation procedure .. I am more comfortable installing from source .. but it seems using the debian packages is more recommended way
09:48 bigbrovar     mtj: Its looking like I might have to do a reinstall. an oppotunity to have a fresh start, and get the installation on better hardware.
09:31 mtj           those 3 files will fill your empty tables with the needed rows
09:30 mtj           ./en/mandatory/sample_notices_message_attributes.sql
09:29 mtj           ./en/mandatory/sample_notices_message_transports.sql
09:29 mtj           ./en/mandatory/message_transport_types.sql
09:29 mtj           ahh, ok..
09:27 bigbrovar     mtj:but its empty
09:27 bigbrovar     mtj: i did recreate the database from the kohastructure.sql, checked the table it exists
09:08 mtj           prolly from 3.0 to 3.4 you missed getting those table rows, i think
09:07 mtj           bigbrovar, i speak with some experience here... i just fixed mine :D
09:06 kf            so it shoudl be good now, maybeonly a problem for really old installations
09:06 mtj           ...actually, in the last few weeks even :)
09:06 kf            we moved it a while ago to mandatory
09:06 mtj           yeah, ive been caught out too with the messaging tables
09:06 kf            you might have missed it
09:06 kf            so if you didn't check it during installation time in the web installer
09:05 kf            some of the messaging stuff was not mandatory in the past
09:05 mtj           hm, not too sure what happened
09:05 mtj           koha.sql == ./installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql
09:04 bigbrovar     or could the mysql table have been corrupted
09:04 bigbrovar     mtj: bad upgrade? cus I upgraded from 3.0* to 3.4 and then to 3.10
09:03 bigbrovar     mtj: thanks alot, I will do that. What do u think could have caused this to happen?
09:03 mtj           (thats wot i'd do)
09:03 mtj           ...into your glitchy db
09:02 mtj           then dump what tables you need from that pristine db
09:02 mtj           then load the koha.sql into that db
09:02 mtj           just make a new db,
09:01 bigbrovar     let me try and create that
09:01 pastebot      "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "moof1" (23 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/53
08:59 mtj           yeah, you have some rows missing from your messages_* tables;
08:59 mtj           aah, i just see yr pic
08:58 mtj           but, i cant see why you cant edit those values
08:58 mtj           my hunch may be wrong too
08:57 mtj           its easy to add maunally, no need for a reinstall
08:57 mtj           hmm, or your user does not have enuff perms?
08:57 bigbrovar     mtj: can it be created manually? or would u suggest a reinstall?
08:55 mtj           bigbrovar ^^
08:55 pastebot      "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "moof" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/52
08:55 mtj           bigbrovar, my hunch - you are missing rows message_attributes table;
08:53 bigbrovar     mtj: this is what I get http://imgur.com/df1bxQL
08:52 * mtj         waves to all
08:52 cjh           :)
08:52 kf            evening cjh
08:51 cjh           morning kf
08:49 bigbrovar     mtj: it does take me to the same page.. but all I see a save button.. .. non of the entry on that page can be modified
08:47 kf            good morning all
08:44 drojf         good morning #koha
08:41 mtj           and you?
08:41 mtj           … clicking edit, takes me to memberentry.pl screen
08:39 mtj           pass… it works for me
08:38 bigbrovar     mtj: I am there now, I can see it. "Patron messaging preferences" but when I click "edit"  I cant make any input change
08:35 mtj           Patron messaging preferences, is on patrons 'details' screen...
08:34 bigbrovar     I most have missed it during install
08:34 bigbrovar     mtj: I didn't just did now. Thanks
08:34 mtj           flick the 'ExtendedPatronAttributes' syspref to on
08:33 mtj           did you enable the syspref?
08:33 bigbrovar     mtj: please I have been search the staff client but I cant find Item checkout=email .. I cant even find the patron messaging preference :(
08:32 mtj           ..so that ./process_message_queue.pl has actual pending rows stuff to process
08:31 mtj           before running ./process_message_queue.pl  - check your message_queue table for rows with a 'pending' status
08:30 mtj           check your postfix logs to confirm it got an email from koha
08:28 mtj           ...and you should get an email
08:25 mtj           running  process_message_queue.pl will process that record, and change its status to 'sent'
08:24 mtj           ...with a status of 'pending'
08:24 mtj           you should see a new row in the message_queue tables
08:23 mtj           then issue an item for that patron...
08:22 mtj           go to a test patron, and set 'Item checkout'='email' , for Patron messaging preferences
08:22 mtj           flick the 'ExtendedPatronAttributes' syspref to on
08:21 mtj           heres a good idea for testing...
08:17 bigbrovar     mtj: let me check the mysql db
08:15 mtj           ie; is there anything to send
08:15 mtj           so, have you check that there are any rows in that table, 1st?
08:14 mtj           you need some notifications in the table 1st, before that script will send them…
08:13 bigbrovar     running process_message_queue.pl doesn't give any error message. But knewly created patrons don't get email notification.
08:12 bigbrovar     mtj: any idea how? I have already configured and setup postfix, and also added process_message_queue.pl to a cronjob.
08:11 mtj           yeah, it is
08:07 bigbrovar     mtj: is it possible to enable email notification for a koha instance installed from source?
08:06 bigbrovar     mtj: we have been running this koha instance for close to 2 years now. Just never got to fix the problem. I setup MTA uses postfix which works on the local server
08:06 mtj           koha-email-enable only works with a pkg install
08:05 bigbrovar     mtj: I already have a working instance of koha which I built from source.. is there no way to enable email notification using that? or i would have to reinstall to get this functionality?
08:02 mtj           done...
08:01 mtj           # koha-email-enable  your-koha
08:01 mtj           bigbrovar, use the deb packages to install koha
07:35 mveron        Hi #koha
07:21 bigbrovar     I found something online about the koha-email-enable script but I have no idea how to enable that
07:20 bigbrovar     at first I tot the process_message_queue.pl script does the trick.. but notification never works still.
07:19 bigbrovar     I am trying to get email notification to work but cant seem to figure out how. am running koha 3.10.02 on ubuntu 10.04 . I already have postfix mta configured and working
07:19 christophe_c  hello #koha
07:17 bigbrovar     Hi everyone
07:17 alex_a        hello !
07:15 gaetan_B      it does :)
07:15 dcook         It goes well?
07:15 gaetan_B      hey dcook :)
07:13 dcook         hey ya gaetan_B
07:13 gaetan_B      hello
07:03 * dcook       waves to francharb, asaurat, and lds
07:03 wahanui       kai ora, asaurat
07:03 asaurat       hi
06:51 dcook         How go things in France?
06:50 reiveune      hi dcook :)
06:50 paul_p        good morning #koha
06:50 dcook         hey reiveune, paul_p
06:40 reiveune      hello
06:34 matts         I wish I could have tasted it :)
06:33 bag           it was good!  you would have liked it
06:33 bag           so I brewed a french saison - in honor of being in france for the hackfest :P
06:32 matts         hello !
06:32 bag           hey matts
06:25 cait          bbl
06:24 cait          heh have fun :)
06:23 dcook         ...
06:23 dcook         Not the queen and I
06:23 dcook         My partner and I
06:23 dcook         I think we're going hiking in the mountains :)
06:23 dcook         (apparently)
06:23 dcook         Queen's birthday on Monday
06:23 cait          holiday?
06:23 cait          oh
06:22 dcook         Lots achieved so that's good. And a long weekend!
06:22 dcook         Almost the end of the day :)
06:21 huginn`       cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 15.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
06:21 cait          @wunder Konstanz
06:21 huginn`       cait: Error: No such location could be found.
06:21 cait          @wunder Konstnaz
06:21 cait          right after lunch? :)
06:17 dcook         Now I'm getting sleeeepy...
05:46 dcook         I just got back from lunch anyway :)
05:37 * cait        waves back belatedly
04:30 * dcook       waves to cait
04:27 mtj           hmmm, i bet paul-fenwick would have a good answer to that one :D
04:25 mtj           cat perl-deps > cpanm
04:25 mtj           scan_prereqs --combine | sed 's/=.*$//'  > perl-deps
04:25 mtj           cd ./qa-tools
04:24 mtj           the best ive got so far is -> https://github.com/rjbs/perl-prereqscanner
04:23 mtj           ?
04:23 mtj           a random cpan Q… whats the best way to compile a list of needed perl packages, for an app
04:21 dcook         I haven't even had lunch yet :(
04:20 mtj           im with the chriseses
04:20 cjh           heh
04:19 dcook         I hope I make it there before you all go home and get beaten by rangi O_O
04:19 cjh           and beaten by rangi.
04:19 dcook         Once I sort out this Javascript/XPATH stuff, I should really work on teleportation...
04:18 cjh           it started 18 minutes ago, if you leave now you may be able to make it before we all go home.
04:18 rangi         started 18 mins ago
04:17 dcook         Mmm beer o'clock would be good about now
03:07 jcamins       You are quite welcome.
03:07 dcook         Thanks again :)
03:07 dcook         night, jcamins
03:07 * jcamins     calls it a night as well.
02:58 mtompset      Everyone have a great day (24 hour period).
02:58 cjh           night mtompset :)
02:58 cjh           heh
02:58 mtompset      Well, I'm off for the night.
02:58 rangi         Hehe
02:58 ibeardslee    quick everyone leave the building .. leaving L7 empty
02:58 dcook         Sounds like your day is improving then
02:57 rangi         At meetings
02:57 rangi         Should make it for beer oclock
02:57 * dcook       wonders where rangi was before
02:57 * rangi       heads back towards catalyst
02:57 dcook         hehe
02:56 cjh           heh
02:56 cjh           unrelated*
02:55 cjh           unrealted: <3 cheap trans-tasman flights
02:55 dcook         I suppose that gives me 3 hours to mount my defenses...
02:55 dcook         Eeeeep!
02:55 * cjh         will be there in 3 hours to make this happen
02:54 dcook         Its base is considerably wider than mine ;)
02:54 * cjh         waits for the chair to topple
02:54 dcook         There are armrests ^_^
02:54 * cjh         waits for dcook to fall off
02:53 * dcook       sways in his chair and calls it dancing
02:53 dcook         Huzzah!
02:52 jcamins       Yay!
02:49 dcook         I just need to reverse my backtracking and there's my relative XPATH :D
02:49 dcook         You, sir, are a legend.
02:49 dcook         Thanks for mentioning that rangy library
02:49 dcook         jcamins++
02:40 jcamins       I'll use fetch instead of retrieve, which we use nowhere.
02:40 jcamins       We also use fetch, apparently.
02:39 jcamins       Because elsewhere in Koha we use ->get() to mean "retrieve this object from the database."
02:39 cjh           why would you create your own get method when class::accessor handles that?
02:37 jcamins       Bah. I can't create a method ->get() without some disturbing weirdness.
02:34 jcamins       Missing the package declaration.
02:34 jcamins       Oh.
02:34 jcamins       Now... why is new not working?
02:33 jcamins       class_accessor++
02:33 jcamins       template_toolkit++
02:33 eythian       keeping in mind it compiles to perl, a lot of stuff should magically work like that
02:32 mtompset      Oooo... interesting question.
02:32 jcamins       Cool!
02:32 jcamins       The Variables POD says yes.
02:31 jcamins       A quick question about TT. If I had an object that used Class::Accessor, could I pass that object directly to a T::T template and have it automagically work?
01:39 dcook         hehe
01:39 eythian       rangi is going to be so confused when he gets back
01:39 dcook         Actually, I might not even need to do that..
01:37 dcook         Ooh, rangy is supposed to have some save/storage methods..
01:35 dcook         I might have a div[@id=group] then div[@id=sub-group] then be selecting elements like h4/text() which have a direct ancestor of div[@id=sub-group]
01:33 dcook         Exactly
01:33 jcamins       If you know it's going to be a direct ancestor, just check whether a given node is the context node, and if it is, stop?
01:33 dcook         Is there a way to recurse back through the parents and stop once they've reached my contextnode?
01:32 dcook         Getting the group of nodes or the repeating node is fairly easy..
01:32 dcook         Relative to either a large group of nodes or a repeating node within that group (or both)
01:32 jcamins       Relative to... ?
01:31 dcook         So I want to make fairly relative XPATHs
01:31 dcook         Except that I want it to be generalizable
01:31 jcamins       And from there you can get a list of all the parents and generate the xpath from that.
01:30 dcook         Yeah
01:30 jcamins       The commonAncestorContainer should be the text node.
01:30 dcook         Which in this case should be the text node still
01:30 dcook         Then, I get the ancestor container...
01:29 dcook         Which, because I'm just highlighting the text is the text node
01:29 dcook         So when I use getRangeAt(0)...I'm grabbing the first node in my range?
01:29 dcook         Seems like it
01:28 jcamins       Right, from the commonAncestorContainer you can get the parent easily.
01:28 dcook         Excellent
01:27 dcook         I just need to remember to grab the parent too
01:27 dcook         Which...is probably fine
01:27 dcook         I'm still just getting the text object
01:27 dcook         Hmm, jcamins, I don't think that's working
01:26 cjh           hahahhaa wahanui is fantastic.
01:25 pianohacker   night :)
01:25 dcook         night, pianohacker
01:25 dcook         hehe
01:25 pianohacker   creeperbot
01:25 pianohacker   wow
01:25 wahanui       If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me.
01:25 pianohacker   good night
01:24 dcook         Mmm, nevermind. I think I get that..
01:23 dcook         Or rather, what is a range object?
01:23 dcook         What does getRangeAt(0) do?
01:22 jcamins       That's why you use $(...commonAncestorContainer).
01:21 dcook         But I think what actually happens is that I'm just selecting the text node
01:21 dcook         In my mind, I'm selecting an element and its text node
01:21 dcook         I think it might just be how browsers select things
01:20 dcook         Hmm, seems like rangy works the same way...
00:48 dcook         Hmm, thanks for the info :)
00:46 jcamins       https://github.com/jcamins/biblionarrator/blob/master/public/js/recordEditor.js#L144 <-- easy, once you get the hang of it
00:45 dcook         I'll definitely check it out
00:45 jcamins       Yup.
00:45 dcook         https://code.google.com/p/rangy/ ?
00:45 dcook         I think I like the sound of this
00:45 * dcook       quickly Googles
00:44 jcamins       If it's not actually supposed to be editable, I'd just use rangy.
00:44 dcook         It's just what I have to hand at the moment
00:44 dcook         Not especially no
00:43 jcamins       So is there any reason to have a tinymce control there?
00:43 jcamins       Got it.
00:43 dcook         Ideally
00:43 dcook         When you write it out manually, it works great, but...the UI needs to be for someone less experienced with XPATH queries
00:42 dcook         Storing it in a database, so that I can then retrieve content from that page in the future
00:42 jcamins       (this influences my advice)
00:42 jcamins       What are you doing with the xpath?
00:41 dcook         Instead of getting the node, it seems to get the value when you just select one node
00:41 dcook         But since I'm drilling down to individual elements instead of groups of elements, that tinymce method isn't working as the documentation says it's supposed to (if I read it correctly)
00:40 dcook         Then, I want to make XPATH expressions for parts of the content within that div
00:40 dcook         Then, at a lower level, I want the divs that repeat within that div (also pretty easy to get)
00:40 dcook         At a high level, I want an overarching div (easy to get)
00:40 dcook         Essentially, I'm fetching some HTML, then trying to make some XPATH to point to certain parts of the content
00:39 jcamins       I thought you had a tinymce control from which you happened to need the path.
00:39 wahanui       "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
00:39 jcamins       First question?
00:39 jcamins       Okay.
00:38 dcook         This seems so close though
00:37 dcook         My other thought was possibly using an iframe and then just using jquery
00:37 jcamins       Then I abandoned tinymce.
00:36 dcook         That's always a thought
00:36 jcamins       I modified tinymce.
00:35 jcamins       Oh, that won't help.
00:33 dcook         That works too
00:33 pianohacker   redeemable at your local karma shop
00:32 pianohacker   just give 'im karma
00:32 dcook         I've got something working pretty well for getting the top level element and attributes for a group of highlighted elements
00:32 dcook         Even the weekend although I might not be online enough to praise you ;)
00:32 dcook         I would be grateful for at least the rest of the day
00:31 jcamins       Lemme see if I can find how to do it.
00:31 dcook         Oh?
00:31 dcook         Of another page that I'm pulling into the editor
00:31 jcamins       Oh, I did that.
00:31 pianohacker   hum, that does sound tricky
00:31 jcamins       I gave up on TinyMCE.
00:31 dcook         But not of the page I'm working with...
00:31 dcook         Trying to get the XPATH of a highlighted section of HTML
00:31 dcook         Mmm, non-Koha side project
00:31 pianohacker   dcook: What are you working with tinymce for?
00:29 * dcook       wishes that Tinymce's getNode method was better...
00:28 dcook         [off] Community! ^_^
00:26 pianohacker   [off] Still getting used to being in the community again :P
00:26 dcook         [off] Ah.
00:26 pianohacker   [off] dcook: Yeah, I have an entire summer's worth of work in the now-forked version of Koha
00:25 jcamins       [off] dcook: I think that was a euphemistic way of saying that there might be former Koha service providers that might have considered suing you into oblivion if you ever accidentally mentioned what work you might be doing for them.
00:25 pianohacker   oh, heh, cool :)
00:24 jcamins       I knew you were working on it, since you mentioned it, but until just now never cared to see what approach you were taking.
00:24 dcook         Too chatty?
00:24 jcamins       pianohacker: I just looked in your github.
00:24 pianohacker   glad you like it, though
00:24 pianohacker   oh, you know about it! Cool. After previous experiences with... other Koha companies, I've been hesitant to be too chatty
00:23 jcamins       pianohacker: I like the way you're doing the pazpar2.
00:20 pianohacker   Another table-bone connected to the form-bone connected to the SQL-bone
00:19 jcamins       Ah.
00:19 pianohacker   for some pazpar2-related work I'm doing
00:19 pianohacker   hahaha well, yeah, this is a new one
00:19 jcamins       Which admin screen?
00:18 dcook         :)
00:18 dcook         Because the admin screen needs work?
00:18 pianohacker   why of all things, that?
00:18 pianohacker   I just worked 45 min past the end of the day because I was really into this admin screen
00:18 jcamins       pianohacker: sadly, we all suffer from the cataloging module.
00:18 dcook         That's what you get for hacking pianos
00:18 * pianohacker has a problem
00:17 dcook         Yeah, it wouldn't be a picnic, that's for sure
00:16 jcamins       subfields, rather.
00:16 jcamins       The connection between indicators and fields is not particularly clear.
00:15 dcook         Hmm, how so?
00:14 jcamins       The DOM is out of order.
00:13 jcamins       The cataloging interface is unusable on a screen reader anyway.
00:12 dcook         Originally, I thought they didn't allow it, but recently it seems like you're allowed to have JS, so long as you still have core functionality intact without it
00:12 dcook         I'm still a bit fuzzy on how accessibility standards handle JS
00:12 dcook         Well, I suppose it depends on the user.
00:12 dcook         You wouldn't be able to open any closed fields without JS
00:11 jcamins       Fallback is nice, but not having it isn't really a _problem_.
00:11 dcook         Mmm, now that I think about it, that's true
00:11 jcamins       Period.
00:11 jcamins       The staff client doesn't work without javascript.
00:11 jcamins       I'm not sure.
00:11 dcook         With bootstrap, you can't. And THAT is an even bigger problem O_O
00:11 dcook         What I realized now is that with YUI, you could still add a record without JS
00:10 dcook         wizzyrea: Bug has been filed :)