Time  Nick          Message
23:00 jcamins       Life is good with mail filters.
22:55 pianohacker   Probably the easiest way
22:55 jcamins       git push myremote commithash:remotebranch
22:54 jcamins       pianohacker: you can do it a few patches at a time.
22:54 pianohacker   grrrrrrrr. Does anyone know of a way to to a git-push in stages? I am being actively thwarted by some sort of upload-throttling in the building's wifi
22:33 cait          just checking some mail before going to sleep
22:32 mtj           hi and bye
22:32 cait          :)
22:32 mtj           hey cait
22:32 mtj           jcamins, bookmark that url for later… it looks like a good one :)
22:31 wahanui       I'll be waiting for you to come back, cait.
22:31 cait          good night
22:31 * cait        waves
22:31 jcamins       mtj++ # nicely done
22:30 jcamins       lol
22:29 mtj           i strongly disagree with your statement!
22:29 jcamins       We do that a lot.
22:28 mtj           "...painting the bike shed"
22:27 mtj           rangi++, just watching now… very interesting! -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE
21:37 pianohacker   jcamins: okay, cool. thanks
21:36 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6399 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma'
21:36 jenkins_koha  Owen Leonard: Bug 6399 - tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma'
21:36 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.10.x build #127: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/127/
21:36 jcamins       pianohacker: here's a catalog I did not do: http://www.mckittrickrarebooks.com/mckittrick/images/pdfs/McKittrick_SS16.pdf
21:35 rhcl          yea, ic
21:35 * jcamins     will probably be back a bit later.
21:35 jcamins       To the dinner table and salad!
21:35 jcamins       I think it's dinner time.
21:34 pianohacker   Yeah, punctuation is quite important. Not to the AACR level though
21:34 jcamins       rhcl: looks like part of my problem was reported in 2006. Ouch. http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=3540
21:32 jcamins       Heh. Good enough.
21:32 wahanui       aacr2 is probably generally an abomination, but that's something else.
21:32 jcamins       aacr2?
21:32 wahanui       aacr2 is an abomination, but more because of what we do with it than because it is inherently evil to have the cataloger entering punctuation, IMO.
21:32 jcamins       aacr2?
21:32 jcamins       I am very particular about how my catalog entries are punctuated. Initial punctuation, terminating punctuation, those matter a great deal to the overall impression of a catalog, and they are not always derivable from the "fields" that I am using.
21:32 wahanui       okay, jcamins.
21:32 jcamins       AACR2 is also generally an abomination, but that's something else.
21:31 jcamins       Sorry, AACR2 (well, ISBD) punctuation.
21:30 jcamins       AACR2 is an abomination, but more because of what we do with it than because it is inherently evil to have the cataloger entering punctuation, IMO.
21:29 jcamins       Generally.
21:29 pianohacker   and the smaller ones would be more densely packed?
21:29 jcamins       (some of the catalogs for dealers are as few as 3-4 pages)
21:29 pianohacker   When I was first learning, I thought AACR2 punctuation was an irritation; then I learned why it was there, and now I just think it's an archaic abomination
21:28 jcamins       Over a hundred pages. I hadn't quite appreciated how many illustrated catalogs I'd done.
21:28 jcamins       Well, my best illustrated catalogs that were not published by someone else.
21:28 pianohacker   Yeah. It would be fantastic to have something that isn't just "chop catalog cards into labeled pieces", and worked better to convey information to the computer and could be formatted nicely for the user
21:28 jcamins       Actually, I just printed off copies of my best catalogs from the last year or so.
21:27 jcamins       This may somewhat clarify why I call it Biblio*narrator*. :)
21:26 jcamins       Yeah, I am not pro-MARC.
21:26 pianohacker   cool! very different side of cataloging than the MARC-heavy world I'm used to
21:26 pianohacker   makes sense
21:25 jcamins       Dealers, collectors, and appraisers, in order from most-frequent to least-frequent requestors.
21:24 pianohacker   book collectors?
21:24 pianohacker   what sort of people ask for these?
21:24 jcamins       Right.
21:24 jcamins       Then I got annoyed when clients were taking my intellectually beautiful cataloging, and providing them in Times New Roman-filled pages accompanied by low-quality photocopies.
21:23 pianohacker   Ahh, okay. So more exhibit, less metadata
21:22 jcamins       In addition to doing the cataloging, I tend to end up writing the introductions as the expert on the subject-at-hand.
21:22 jcamins       [off] http://www.eprarebooks.com/cgi-bin/phillips/212.html <-- more narrative
21:22 jcamins       [off] Okay, bad example, I'm not sure why Chrome autocompleted 231. One moment...
21:21 jcamins       [off] Imagine illustrated, carefully-styled documents containing pages and pages of narrative records along the lines of http://www.eprarebooks.com/cgi-bin/phillips/231.html
21:21 pianohacker   master = masterful = obviously the best choice for production, right?
21:20 jcamins       I don't think any of mine are available publicly.
21:20 pianohacker   * catalogs
21:20 jcamins       lol
21:20 pianohacker   jcamins: What exactly are those? I've heard the term many a time but never seen one
21:20 jcamins       When I am preparing a document for printing, I am decidedly not prepared to deal with what it entails.
21:20 jcamins       rhcl: I don't use development versions of software unless I'm certain I am prepared to deal with what that entails.
21:19 jcamins       pianohacker: I produce catalogs.
21:19 rhcl          jcamins: configure, make, make install?
21:18 pianohacker   jcamins: Do you do graphic design work? It sounds like you've poked at this a lot
21:18 jcamins       Actually, maybe 1.5.0 isn't so far away: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/1.5.x_Roadmap
21:18 pianohacker   libpoppler specifically, but it's a wonderfully pure PDF viewer
21:17 pianohacker   evince++
21:17 rhcl          this page: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Color_Management_setup   acks color display problems with pdf, says to use Evince for the pdf viewer
21:16 jcamins       rhcl: 1.5.0svn = master
21:16 jcamins       Ouch, 1.5.0 is a long way away, isn't it: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus_1.5.0_Release_Schedule
21:16 rhcl          1.5 is on the website?
21:14 pianohacker   man it would have been nice if ted nelson were less crazy, he was a massive visionary
21:14 rangi         http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8718123/All-I-want-for-my-birthday-is-Maui  <-- for those that missed it :)
21:14 pianohacker   ' * 1.4.2: Oh, that's what UIs are for! Cor!'
21:14 rangi         right now i need to go get the kindergarten set up for the big party
21:13 rangi         http://hypothes.is/blog/cross-format-annotation/
21:13 jcamins       You never know.
21:13 * jcamins     downloads it anyway.
21:13 jcamins       Bah. They're only up to 1.4.2
21:12 jcamins       I have 1.4.1.
21:12 rhcl          disclaimer: don't know anything about the above
21:11 * jcamins     will download the latest.
21:11 jcamins       Though maybe there's a new improved version of Scribus.
21:11 rhcl          http://decafbad.net/projects/scribus-tutorial/
21:10 jcamins       After that I just bought InDesign.
21:10 jcamins       rhcl: yeah, it's an issue in the screen-rendered PDF too.
21:10 rhcl          oops
21:10 rhcl          I
21:10 rhcl          jcamins: and you ruled out idiosyncrasies with the printer and printer driver?
21:10 jcamins       I don't necessarily expect good color matching without custom profiles, but using CMY without any K is not really acceptable for a file consisting of black text and a few color images.
21:09 jcamins       3) I was not happy with the PDFs/PS it produced for high-res printing.
21:09 rhcl          we're still working on those things--the Pantone charts help some
21:08 rhcl          we have a brand new Savin higher-end copier. Color with Quark has great variation between the ps and pcl drivers
21:08 jcamins       A lot.
21:08 jcamins       Which sucks.
21:08 jcamins       Even when working the CMYK colorspace, it insists that you're using CMY.
21:07 pianohacker   Yeah, that's the thing. Bugs in piles and heaps
21:07 jcamins       2) The color support is very poor.
21:07 rhcl          well, I don't think I ever had to mess with the cfg, but again, that was a couple of years ago for me
21:06 jcamins       I had to edit by hand the configuration every time I wanted to open a file.
21:06 jcamins       That was a biggy.
21:06 jcamins       The major problems I encountered were: 1) it absolutely cannot handle multiple displays.
21:06 rhcl          then?
21:06 jcamins       When it works.
21:05 jcamins       rhcl: in terms of interface, Scribus isn't too bad.
21:03 rhcl          I can google around a bit; at one time I was playing with it (Scribus) and had gotten a general feel for it, but that was a couple of years ago.
21:02 pianohacker   rhcl: Okay, fair enough. Do you know any good tutorials?
21:01 pianohacker   I just do everything in Inkscape these days, and as twitchy as that text layout engine, it's easier to understand than Scribus
21:01 rhcl          pianohacker: our publicity person is married to Quark, and I help him all the time; Scribus seems just as logical to me as Quark does.
21:01 pianohacker   yeah, that was my reaction
21:01 jcamins       I tried scribus for a while, but, ugh.
21:01 jcamins       pianohacker: not that I know of.
21:01 rangi         heh
20:59 pianohacker   rangi: You're like a friendly, kiwi alternative.to :)
20:59 pianohacker   sweet, thanks
20:59 rangi         pianohacker: ill ask the design team at work
20:58 pianohacker   jcamins: Is there any good open-source equivalent to InDesign that you know of that is open-source? Scribus is the closest, but has a twitchy, awkward ui
20:57 huginn`       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
20:57 jcamins       @later tell mtompset Of course that was intentional. I did it in InDesign. The French version was done in LibreOffice, and isn't as nice.
20:55 jenkins_koha  Starting build #127 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:40 administrator bye
20:31 rangi         http://msujaws.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/protecting-your-open-source-project-from-poisonous-people/
20:30 * rangi       tries to route around the damage on the list
20:26 administrator nice weekend
20:26 administrator thanks for your help.. have an ice weekend
20:26 mtompset      Bye, #koha. Have a great day.
20:25 administrator ok..
20:25 mtompset      I have to leave.
20:25 administrator he had trouble removing
20:25 mtompset      I don't know, administrator.
20:25 mtompset      [off] ARG.
20:25 administrator the optional stuff.. can i add it later and just do the mandatory
20:24 administrator now
20:24 administrator can i postpone step 3 or do i need to do it all ow
20:24 rangi         [off] and that email is why we can no longer have useful discussions because an opinionated troll with illinformed opinions hijacks all threads
20:23 administrator wait..
20:23 mtompset      administrator: You should have a workable system now.
20:23 mtompset      I have to leave now.
20:22 mtompset      Did you intentionally format the release notes into the pretty format, jcamins? What application did you use?
20:21 mtompset      Sorry for the slow reply, tcohen. Have a good one too.
20:21 administrator I'll check and uncheck all but the sample patrons and library
20:21 administrator but I am .. so i'll forgive him..
20:20 tcohen        have a nice weekend mtompset, #koha
20:20 administrator he was here before.. if I weren't a monk...!!!
20:19 administrator if we do standard things the way it should be done.. then no problem.. he doesn't know anything either
20:19 administrator he aint around
20:18 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS  Northeast Harbor Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/Iq1OG0qhZ0"
20:18 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS  Koha Community Newsletter: May 2013 http://t.co/64RqY1aKpw"
20:15 mtompset      So, okay.
20:14 mtompset      But I supposed he'll want to check/uncheck things.
20:14 mtompset      No, your friend is needed at initial log in. :)
20:14 administrator i'm out for 5 min
20:14 administrator ok.. time to get my friend for step 3
20:14 mtompset      the difference is find in the permissions.
20:13 mtompset      patrons include staff.
20:13 mtompset      and make sure to go to the administration area and set up the things that need setting up (like your library branch and patrons)
20:13 mtompset      log into the staff client using the same user name and password you used to set koha up.
20:13 mtompset      once you are done the web install.
20:12 mtompset      you're not done yet.
20:12 mtompset      finish the web install.
20:12 administrator step 3 is to check options
20:12 mtompset      please refer to appropriate manual: http://koha-community.org/documentation/
20:11 administrator how
20:11 mtompset      but your first task is to set up branches, and patrons.
20:11 administrator did the marc21 and now checkingadn unchecking
20:11 administrator i'm on it.
20:11 mtompset      please refer to appropriate manual: http://koha-community.org/documentation/
20:11 administrator it is sort of buddhist you know
20:11 administrator when I checked 'em he said he could not delete things because of interconnectedness
20:10 administrator ok.. need to get my friend.. to check the things... its his project..
20:10 tcohen        jcamins++ #didn't see those cute release notes before
20:09 mtompset      And if they need higher permissions you can set them.
20:09 mtompset      And it is the patron username and password that you match to what the other people want.
20:09 administrator ok step 3ing
20:09 mtompset      You need to create a library branch and patrons.
20:08 mtompset      You are in with the ultimate user password.
20:08 mtompset      Also...
20:08 mtompset      You can go there to find this conversation and others.
20:08 wahanui       rumour has it irc is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
20:08 mtompset      irc?
20:05 administrator what is your email..or does this irc get archived
20:04 administrator will you be here for a while
20:04 administrator thank you.
20:04 administrator i'm in
20:04 mtompset      Now, if you get stuck, ask questions.
20:03 mtompset      Though, when it gives you a whole bunch of optional and mandatory things to check... I would check most of them... no sample patrons or libraries though.
20:02 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @ranginui: "stoked that the 2 largest libraries in armenia are using #KohaILS to run their union catalogue"
20:02 mtompset      It should be pretty simple now.
20:02 mtompset      Yes.
20:01 administrator lets try to log in wait... I know this part
20:01 mtompset      okay... good, we are now in the web installer steps. YAY!
20:01 administrator yup got it
20:01 administrator i did .. that s why you are a small g god
20:01 mtompset      Did you get a log in screen?
20:01 mtompset      You should get a log in screen.
20:01 mtompset      Go to library-intra.dhamma-pc
20:01 administrator I thought you were joking
20:00 mtompset      Sorry if I come across as rude.
20:00 administrator The wiki needs to say this stuff
20:00 mtompset      No, I'm just a man with a time limit. :)
20:00 administrator you are god (smallg)
20:00 mtompset      Did you get a log in screen?
20:00 mtompset      You should get a log in screen.
20:00 administrator oops!
20:00 mtompset      Go to library-intra.dhamma-pc
20:00 administrator what next\/
19:59 administrator ok
19:59 mtompset      Stop asking questions.
19:59 administrator i've done a few installs ..maybe confused
19:59 administrator if not we are ok
19:59 administrator sql asks for a passord.. did koha create ask for one too?
19:59 administrator ok
19:59 mtompset      Don't worry about that!
19:58 administrator I'm not sure they will match
19:58 administrator The monk here wanted a different password
19:58 mtompset      use library-intra.dhamma-pc
19:58 mtompset      now... instead of library.dhamma-pc
19:58 administrator oh shoot
19:58 administrator yes
19:58 mtompset      :)
19:58 administrator ok .. it's not "password"
19:58 mtompset      Do you have the password?
19:57 mtompset      do not tell me it.
19:57 mtompset      don't tlel me it!
19:57 mtompset      you have the password?
19:57 mtompset      WAIT...
19:57 administrator shall i web again
19:57 administrator ok
19:57 mtompset      you only get that error if you have NEVER run the web install set up for Koha.
19:57 administrator fini
19:56 administrator ok
19:56 mtompset      sudo xmlstarlet sel -t -v 'yazgfs/config/pass' /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml
19:56 administrator ;(
19:56 administrator ok.. ??  it should say in the instructions.. I've been here before
19:56 mtompset      we need to look up the password.
19:56 mtompset      Now...
19:56 mtompset      Good error.
19:55 mtompset      YAY! valid error.
19:55 administrator error
19:55 administrator web results
19:55 administrator what maintenence page.. I posted
19:55 mtompset      did you get a maintence page?
19:54 administrator ok
19:54 mtompset      translation manager is AFTER everything is installed.
19:54 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @ranginui: "another great #KohaILS newsletter http://t.co/vHz0kfqLcU"
19:54 mtompset      No... next is NOT translation manager.
19:53 mtompset      did you get a maintence page?
19:53 wahanui       next is translation manager
19:53 administrator what next
19:53 administrator I've been here before
19:53 mtompset      fine...
19:53 administrator firefox
19:53 administrator i only typed library.dhamma-pc
19:52 pastebot      "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "web results" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/43
19:51 mtompset      Well?
19:51 mtompset      You should get a maintenance warning.
19:51 administrator shall i library.dhamma-pc
19:50 mtompset      open a web browser to http://library.dhamma-pc/
19:50 mtompset      Now... let's see how close we are.
19:50 administrator fini
19:50 administrator ok
19:50 mtompset      Yes.
19:50 administrator ?
19:50 administrator save
19:50 mtompset      Leave it.
19:50 mtompset      administrator: It's fine.
19:49 administrator i bet 127 is not ok
19:48 pastebot      "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Use this" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/41
19:48 administrator oopss.. ok
19:47 mtompset      I said ADD... I did not say change.
19:47 mtompset      NO.
19:46 administrator shall I save
19:46 mtompset      Let's see the paste first.
19:46 administrator shall I save?
19:46 mtompset      administrator? Paste the revised /etc/hosts file with the two new lines.
19:43 mtompset      That's fine... nano, gedit, vi... use whatever works.
19:43 administrator wait gedit is easier
19:43 administrator i'm working still
19:42 mtompset      administrator? Paste the revised /etc/hosts file with the two new lines.
19:40 mtompset      let's see the paste now.
19:39 mtompset      You need to ADD two lines.
19:39 administrator doing
19:39 mtompset      and instead of library-intra.framisdooby.org use library-intra.dhamma-pc
19:39 pastebot      "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tweak" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/39
19:39 mtompset      and instead of library.framisdooby.org use library.dhamma-pc
19:39 mtompset      now, instead of 127.0.0.1 use 192.168.1.121
19:38 administrator oh i see
19:38 mtompset      administrator: Because you haven't tweak hosts file.
19:38 administrator what to do?
19:38 administrator ok lets tweak.
19:37 administrator i tried to go to dhamma-pc.. got error
19:37 mtompset      Tweak Hosts file.
19:37 mtompset      No.
19:37 mtompset      Let's get it working, and then if it breaks, because your ip address changes... just come back to here and someone might be able to help you fix that.
19:36 administrator ?
19:36 administrator web install
19:36 administrator ok.
19:36 mtompset      Don't reboot.
19:36 mtompset      If it isn't mentioned, but you have it, then I'm willing to guess it will stay the same.
19:36 administrator maybe I should reboot ? r u sure
19:35 mtompset      I just want to make sure that your ip address on eth0 is going to stay the same.
19:35 administrator ?
19:35 administrator good
19:35 administrator oh.. thats goog?
19:35 administrator uh oh
19:35 mtompset      Okay... no need to reboot.
19:35 mtompset      Strange, no reference to eth0.
19:34 pastebot      "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cat results" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/38
19:33 mtompset      could you sudo cat /etc/network/interfaces
19:33 mtompset      Hmm...
19:33 administrator so we don't get dhcp
19:33 administrator you want the ip address again?
19:32 administrator ok..
19:32 mtompset      and paste the contents of sudo ifconfig.
19:32 administrator i hope I can connect to irc again!
19:32 administrator ok
19:32 mtompset      I would like you to reboot the machine.
19:32 administrator ok.. no complains?
19:32 mtompset      Hmm... okay... Now, I have a strange request...
19:32 administrator ok
19:31 pastebot      "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ifconfig" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/37
19:31 mtompset      Because every installation could have variations in configuration.
19:30 administrator ok
19:30 administrator why don't they have a script?
19:30 mtompset      paste the output of your sudo ifconfig.
19:30 administrator ok
19:30 mtompset      Not yet... we're getting very close.
19:30 administrator now web installer
19:30 administrator no web installer?
19:29 administrator sadhu
19:29 mtompset      good... just checking there wasn't a step missed in the instructions. :)
19:29 pastebot      "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "gedit no vanilla" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/36
19:28 pianohacker   gedit is Just Fineâ„¢
19:28 pianohacker   I think that's the gedit motto, truthfully
19:28 mtompset      gedit is just fine.
19:28 mtompset      I'm a vi person.
19:28 mtompset      whatever...
19:27 administrator how bout gedit
19:27 mtompset      And then paste that?
19:27 mtompset      sudo vi /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library
19:27 mtompset      could you...
19:27 administrator ok .. i really appreciate your help..
19:27 mtompset      Yes, administrator, that's fine.
19:26 pastebot      "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "enable results" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/35
19:26 mtompset      oh, and that reminds me...
19:26 mtompset      [off] have a good day, jcamins. :)
19:25 jcamins       [off] Okay, I don't want to do the locking up today, so I guess it's time to go, before my client's housekeeper leaves.
19:25 mtompset      then you would have configured apache2 to use it.
19:25 mtompset      If you had an externally accessible website like library.testthisout.org
19:24 mtompset      No, it's just a DNS complaint.
19:24 administrator ok good .. i thought i was toast
19:24 mtompset      That's fine.
19:24 pastebot      "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha create" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/34
19:23 mtompset      then continue the commands in Enable Modules and Site section.
19:22 administrator did goof
19:22 mtompset      sudo koha-create --create-db library
19:22 mtompset      run it now.
19:22 administrator no
19:22 mtompset      you didn't run the koha-create command?!
19:22 administrator ERROR: Site library does not exist!
19:22 administrator administrator@LIbraryPC:~$ sudo a2ensite library
19:21 mtompset      But the last command does a restart.
19:21 mtompset      Because they will say you need to reload or restart.
19:20 mtompset      and ignore all the outputs.
19:20 administrator ok
19:20 mtompset      Yes.
19:20 administrator ?
19:20 administrator the rewrite stuff
19:20 mtompset      Do that.
19:20 administrator no
19:20 mtompset      have you run the commands in the Enabled Modules and Site section?
19:19 mtompset      last command.
19:19 mtompset      Because the last comment in the Enable Modules and Site section does what you need.
19:19 mtompset      No.
19:19 administrator shall i run reload
19:19 mtompset      Don't worry about that feedback yet.
19:18 pastebot      "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "a2dissite result" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/33
19:18 mtompset      Then jump to the Enable Modules and Site section.
19:16 mtompset      sudo a2dissite 000-default
19:16 mtompset      since this is your own stand alone machine,
19:16 administrator glad you updated it correctly
19:16 mtompset      close that.
19:16 mtompset      Okay, then there's nothing to do. Which is good. :)
19:16 administrator yup
19:16 mtompset      No # in the front of them?
19:16 mtompset      Uncommented?
19:15 administrator Listen 80
19:15 administrator i see.. NameVirtualHost *:80
19:15 mtompset      Yes, the goal is to confirm all the ports needed are listed and that NameVirtualHosts is there too.
19:14 administrator shall I do that now
19:14 administrator sudo nano /etc/apache2/ports.conf  ??
19:14 mtompset      okay.
19:14 administrator I tweaked
19:13 mtompset      configuring apache, I mean.
19:12 mtompset      So you are at the configuring ports section?
19:12 administrator sql is finished..
19:12 mtompset      Have you done that and moved on to the Ubuntu Security Tweak section?
19:11 administrator did the sql pwd.. i read that 2% of users use "password" in 2600
19:09 mtompset      Yes.
19:09 administrator then I will do sudo koha-create --create-db library
19:08 administrator doing it now
19:07 mtompset      okay, did you install mysql-server yet?
19:07 administrator idid the rewrite
19:07 administrator yup
19:07 mtompset      did you save it, administrator?
19:06 mtompset      did you save it?
19:06 mtompset      Yes, that looks right.
19:05 pastebot      "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my domain" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/32
19:05 bag           heh
19:05 wahanui       bag: i haven't a clue
19:05 bag           wahanui: sniff paste?
19:05 wahanui       I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org
19:05 mtompset      paste?
19:04 administrator how to paste big things
19:04 mtompset      okay, use the paste your example, like I showed you before using the website.
19:04 administrator pay attention to the dot in front
19:04 administrator wait.. I made the file I want to post it.. but all I changed was the dns to .dhamma-pc
19:03 mtompset      If you have already installed mysql-server, then please remember the root user password. :)
19:02 mtompset      please choose a good password for the root user, and DO NOT TYPE IT HERE.
19:02 mtompset      sudo apt-get install mysql-server
19:02 mtompset      next command... I'm thinking you are going with a local database.
19:02 mtompset      any output is irrelevant, because it is either already turned on, or it just go turned on.
19:01 mtompset      now we're at the next command. sudo a2enmod rewrite
19:01 mtompset      save the file.
19:00 mtompset      everything else, the same as the example.
19:00 administrator sadhu!  that means.. great in buddhist language!
19:00 administrator ok.. i'm editing
19:00 mtompset      we are going to put ".dhamma-pc" in DOMAIN.
19:00 jcamins       (my interjections are in no way intended as instructions, I am simply curious about things that are said occasionally)
18:59 administrator ok.. TELL ME what todo
18:59 mtompset      edit the /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file.
18:59 jcamins       Okay.
18:59 mtompset      administrator: keep going.
18:59 mtompset      But at this point in time...
18:59 administrator yup
18:59 mtompset      They should be updated to reflect the correction.
18:59 mtompset      Because when I last edited them there was a install bug.
18:58 administrator i donno
18:58 jcamins       (tl;dr version, please)
18:58 jcamins       mtompset: why do the instructions have oldstable?
18:58 administrator sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list
18:58 administrator he latest version package (3.10.x using squeeze repository) seems to break slightly under Ubuntu. Simply:
18:58 administrator i can run them if you want
18:58 mtompset      Don't worry... keep going.
18:57 administrator are these still current (i skipped)
18:57 mtompset      -- that's why the instructions have oldstable.
18:57 administrator and some commands
18:57 mtompset      You didn't edit the /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file.
18:57 administrator there is a mention of a bug
18:57 administrator under the download the latest koha release..
18:57 administrator see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
18:56 administrator ok.. thanks for catching me
18:56 mtompset      WAIT!
18:56 administrator I'm going to run some more commands
18:56 administrator ok lets forget it.. my friend can help. or our admin
18:56 jcamins       Your network administrator will know how to deal with it, though.
18:55 jcamins       ^^ I use the Postfix mail server, and those are instructions for setting it up.
18:55 wahanui       postfix is probably found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
18:55 jcamins       postfix?
18:55 administrator My friend is an apache expert.. what program does this run
18:55 mtompset      Seriously... ignore that problem. Let the thread dangle. The sweater must exist. :)
18:55 administrator ohh..ok..
18:55 mtompset      The problem is configuring email under Ubuntu.
18:54 mtompset      NO!
18:54 administrator shall i reinstall ubuntu and lose my bookmarks you just gave me?
18:54 mtompset      Let the thread dangle.
18:54 mtompset      You pull the thread, and the sweater is no more.
18:54 mtompset      because it will be like a sweater with a loose thread.
18:53 mtompset      you don't want to do that.
18:53 administrator the mail thing.. the first pop up boxes before the koha installs itself
18:53 wahanui       mtompset: I forgot undo
18:53 mtompset      wahanui: forget undo
18:53 wahanui       undo is not included in paul_p's proposal.
18:53 mtompset      undo what?
18:53 administrator control z
18:52 administrator how to undo?
18:52 mtompset      nope, because I don't know how to. :)
18:52 administrator what does it entail
18:52 administrator laugh.. but really .. can we do it now
18:51 mtompset      Then, in 6 months, bug your network administrator to fix the mail on your koha machine. :P
18:51 administrator 6 months
18:51 administrator far future
18:51 administrator maybe in the future
18:50 mtompset      Are you planning on emailing out overdue notices?
18:50 administrator reinstall?
18:50 administrator oops..
18:50 mtompset      You just need to be consistent in using dhamma-pc everywhere.
18:50 administrator what about our mail server.. no prob right?
18:49 mtompset      No.
18:49 administrator do we need .com  or .org
18:49 wahanui       now is good time with holidays coming up
18:49 administrator now what
18:49 tcohen        yes
18:49 administrator dhamma-pc  is our dns
18:49 mtompset      The commands wiki page, tcohen?
18:49 tcohen        it should get updated mtompset, but its quite useful!
18:48 administrator we got a dns
18:48 administrator :)
18:48 administrator I just hope I dont need to reinstall ubuntu again .. and lose my bookmarks
18:47 mtompset      Another useful page to keep bookmarked.
18:47 administrator hey.. that's a cool
18:47 mtompset      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-remove
18:47 mtompset      if you mess up the koha-create and create something you shouldn't have, use koha-remove.
18:47 administrator jenkins:  does that mean I downloaded a loser
18:46 administrator got that right :)
18:46 mtompset      administrator: do not go deleting things that you don't understand.
18:46 administrator does that mean I downloaded a loser
18:45 administrator it was just a username :)
18:45 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1213: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1213/
18:45 administrator is there a way to restart if I screw up.. I tried to remove the pkgs but it did not work.  I removed teh  koha dir and mysql dir and that was not good enough to restart
18:45 mtompset      sounds like you had an almost working koha and you broke it really well. :)
18:44 administrator apache died
18:44 mtompset      when you type koha-create it creates them.
18:44 administrator :(
18:44 administrator when I deleted them.. poof
18:44 mtompset      exactly.
18:44 administrator what are the users.. I think khha create does them.. I had a 2 extra users because I typed the command twice
18:44 mtompset      Okay, there only really need to be three users on the machine: root, yours, and library-koha (assuming you create an instance call 'library')
18:43 administrator we were so close then
18:42 administrator I deleted them once and it fried
18:42 wahanui       mtompset: I forgot another thing
18:42 mtompset      wahanui: forget another thing
18:42 administrator The users on ubuntu.. what is that?
18:42 wahanui       another thing is different
18:42 administrator another thing.
18:42 administrator yah anything is possible if you have time and money (my favorite quote as a lay person)
18:42 mtompset      It is best to set it up correctly the first time.
18:41 mtompset      but it is possible.
18:41 administrator ok
18:41 mtompset      you can't, because it is too difficult to describe how.
18:41 administrator can we change that later?
18:40 administrator once we are there.. we are golden
18:40 administrator getting to the webinstaller was difficult
18:40 mtompset      That does not mean anything for koha.
18:40 mtompset      That means you have apache2 set up.
18:40 mtompset      Now, if you don't want to wait for the administrator... you CAN change the port for INTRAPORT to 8080 (for example), and then you don't need a name.
18:40 administrator When I got halfway successed.. the apache said.. "success it worked"
18:39 administrator another question ..
18:39 administrator I guess that means yes (way above me)
18:39 mtompset      that is what those prefix and suffix values are about.
18:38 mtompset      that is a DNS thing, in that the DNS will set up a name that you can use to access it, and the name will distinguish between staff client and OPAC.
18:38 administrator ?
18:37 administrator how to get it to work with out the ports.. or is that the dns thing
18:37 administrator in the mean time..
18:37 mtompset      he will tell you the value for domain.
18:37 administrator i'm waiting on my friend as we speak.
18:37 mtompset      he will tell you the value for domainname.
18:37 mtompset      like I said, before you do the next step... you need to talk with your network administrator.
18:37 administrator we are far away from mail.. a small monastery with 2k books maybe
18:36 mtompset      Don't worry about mail.
18:36 administrator no prob...
18:36 mtompset      okay, the librarypc thing you typed... does not affect koha, except in that you probably configured mail incorrectly now.
18:36 administrator ;)
18:36 administrator shall I apt-get remove.. I bet that won't let me start allover
18:35 administrator yup finished
18:35 mtompset      which is in a blue box (your browser may make it another colour)
18:35 administrator yup.. maybe finished.. let me check
18:34 mtompset      so you are in the midst of "sudo apt-get install koha-common"
18:34 administrator ok..that's what im using
18:34 administrator http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
18:34 mtompset      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
18:34 administrator from my link.. am i on the right instructions
18:34 mtompset      not as part of the install.
18:34 mtompset      in the web browser.
18:33 mtompset      I meant blue boxes in the instructions.
18:33 administrator ok
18:33 administrator it does not say this in the blue boxes :)
18:33 mtompset      Again, this is why your network administrator should set this up.
18:33 administrator yah
18:33 mtompset      Yes, and it probably asked about MySQL too.
18:33 administrator then it installs
18:33 administrator a few boxes come up
18:33 administrator yah.. its the first box that comes up
18:32 mtompset      nullmailer?
18:32 mtompset      What package was koha-common setting up?
18:32 mtompset      Oh, no... this is why you need to READ.
18:32 administrator is that a problem now
18:32 administrator hmm.. koha common just asked me for a name I used librarypc
18:32 mtompset      so "sudo koha-create --create-db library"
18:31 administrator I appreciate your help.. we don't want to do the lbuntu cd
18:31 mtompset      where you change instance name to the part of the machine's name, and it needs to match what the DNS entry for the network says.
18:31 administrator he will ask now
18:31 administrator ok my friend is running now...
18:30 administrator sudo koha-create --create-db instancename
18:30 mtompset      and library-intra.<whatever the network administrator tells you> for the Staff client.
18:30 mtompset      for the OPAC client.
18:30 mtompset      so it will be library.<whatever the network administrator tells you>
18:29 mtompset      you know that you are going to koha-create... library... (can't recall the command right now)
18:29 administrator what name shoudl we ask for .. we can do it now.
18:29 mtompset      I'm not sure what you are asking.
18:29 administrator ok..
18:29 mtompset      because that's going to be part of the setup.
18:28 administrator was this the problem instead of the computername
18:28 administrator then what
18:28 mtompset      And then you should ask him... what to fill in for the domain name.
18:28 administrator for a name.. that can't cost much (in favors)
18:28 administrator ok we will ask
18:27 mtompset      The problem with this solution is... you will need to tweak every single hosts file for all the machine that will access koha. The better solution is to get some DNS entry set up by the network administrator.
18:27 administrator everyone is leaving.. sorry
18:26 tcohen        bye oleo
18:26 mtompset      Now, there are multiple ways to solve this, the quick and dirty way is to just follow the blue boxes in the instructions (making sure to read the instructions around to see if the blue box applies).
18:26 oleonard      Bye #koha
18:26 administrator we have one main computer to run koha and  this will be used for people .. clients patrons to use
18:25 administrator ok
18:25 mtompset      we haven't gotten a full understanding of your network layout and how you are attempting to use it yet.
18:25 mtompset      WAIT!
18:25 administrator do I put the computer name in the dns box or just leave that file empty
18:25 administrator ok. . that problem is finished..
18:24 mtompset      Well, then you are set!
18:24 administrator I think i was confused.. the answer is no internet needed
18:24 mtompset      your machine has a static/fixed ip address on the lan?
18:24 administrator fixed ip..
18:24 administrator static
18:24 mtompset      The problem is a lan usually is set up to use DHCP and not necessarily static IP addresses.
18:23 mtompset      wait... I haven't gotten there yet, administrator.
18:23 administrator what do we need to ask?
18:23 administrator what do I put in teh domain name
18:23 mtompset      okay... you will need to talk to your network administrator then. Sorry.
18:23 administrator 94%
18:23 administrator almost finished.. 92%
18:22 administrator no or not in the close future
18:22 tcohen        so koha-common hasn't downloaded yet administrator?
18:22 administrator yes.. but we will have other machines searching on the lan
18:22 mtompset      that's fine... but are you expecting someone to access it over the internet to search your library?
18:22 administrator koha common is 87% finished
18:21 mtompset      okay... desktop. So, you plan on using this on this machine only?
18:21 administrator desktop
18:21 administrator 13.04
18:21 administrator it works if we can just get it to work
18:21 mtompset      Okay, which version of ubuntu did you install? server or desktop?
18:21 administrator we have a cheap pc
18:20 administrator he does not like this project.. because he wants a bsd server
18:20 administrator heee hee
18:20 * mtompset    chuckles, "Aren't all of them?"
18:19 administrator we do.. sort of..he is well.. difficult
18:19 mtompset      Step back from the contents of that paste, and tell me if you have a system administrator or network administrator to help you, administrator?
18:19 administrator is that right
18:18 administrator http://paste.koha-community.org/31?tx=on&submit=Format+it!
18:18 mtompset      But the question is, administrator, do you have a network or system administrator to talk to?
18:18 mtompset      If you follow the blue boxes in the instructions without changing anything, you should get a working library.framisdooby.org and library-intra.framisdooby.org machine working.
18:18 pastebot      "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "file listed in instructions" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/31
18:18 gaetan_B      bye !
18:17 mtompset      That way you don't flood the channel with your cut and pastes.
18:17 wahanui       paste is probably found at http://paste.koha-community.org
18:17 mtompset      paste?
18:17 administrator clean
18:17 mtompset      administrator: please use the paste site.
18:16 administrator I did the updates
18:16 administrator I installed ubuntu
18:16 administrator ZEBRA_LANGUAGE="en"  # Primary language for Zebra indexing. Possible values are 'en', 'fr' and 'nb'
18:16 administrator ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT="marc21"  # Specifies format of MARC records to be indexed by Zebra. Possible values are 'marc21', 'normarc' and 'unimarc'
18:16 administrator OPACSUFFIX=""  # For users' interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name.
18:16 administrator OPACPREFIX=""  # For users' interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name.
18:16 administrator OPACPORT="80"  # TCP listening port for the users' interface (if you skip this, the apache default of 80 will be used)
18:16 administrator DEFAULTSQL="/usr/share/koha/defaults.sql.gz"  # only needed if you're pre-populating from another Koha database
18:16 administrator INTRASUFFIX="-intra"  # For administration interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name.
18:16 administrator INTRAPREFIX=""  # For administration interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name.
18:16 administrator INTRAPORT="80"  # TCP listening port for the administration interface
18:16 administrator DOMAIN=".mydomain.co.nz"  # Any library instance will be a subdomain of this string.
18:16 administrator IF my computer name is LibraryPC what do I put in this for the domain name (LAN only for now)
18:16 mtompset      (and not debian)
18:16 mtompset      you have installed Ubuntu, correct?
18:15 mtompset      administrator: so what steps have you done so far? I'm looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
18:15 jcamins       administrator: ignore everything about YUI, that is a separate conversation happening at the same time.
18:15 administrator koha-common is 50% finished now..
18:15 mtompset      administrator: You will need to sort through multiple conversations on the channel at once.
18:14 administrator i'm confused
18:14 jcamins       *that
18:14 jcamins       administrator: tht was for liw, not you. Nothing to worry about.
18:14 tcohen        as squeeze and wheeze don't share the same version/patchset
18:14 oleonard      yui is unrelated to your problem. Different topic.
18:13 tcohen        i was exposing my fear that not shiping our own might be cause of problems
18:13 liw           jcamins, ah... that'd be because Debian frowns upon embedded code copies (it make security updates harder); since Koha isn't getting uploaded into Debian, it's OK for Koha to embed its own copy of YUI
18:13 wahanui       yui is BSD license, according to Home › About Koha › Licenses
18:13 administrator what is yui
18:13 administrator but I just use that for the repository stuff
18:13 mtompset      okay...
18:13 administrator i also use  http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze
18:12 jcamins       liw: we were discussing why the packages use the system version of YUI.
18:12 mtompset      Yes, that's likely his problem, jcamins.
18:12 administrator http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
18:12 jcamins       administrator: are you using the IP address to access Apache?
18:12 administrator hold on
18:12 mtompset      That sounds like your apache server isn't configured to point at koha yet.
18:12 jcamins       Default Apache.
18:12 administrator I once got it to work.. but I had to use a different port 8080  I'm not sure if I can remember how to do that.  also I  created a few users by mistake with koha create and when I deleted them.. pooff  broken again!
18:11 mtompset      it worked?
18:11 liw           or summoned
18:11 * liw         has been invoked?
18:11 oleonard      Installing from packages? Which instructions are you following?
18:11 administrator then problems happen
18:10 administrator i do the instructions and I get "it worked"
18:10 administrator I am on koha squeeze ubuntu 13.04
18:10 administrator first.. I'm a monk.. sadhu (thanks) for your help in the dharma!
18:09 administrator many
18:09 pianohacker   administrator: sure, what's your problem?
18:09 administrator hey.. I'm on my third time installing .. can u help
18:08 oleonard      administrator: Yes, just like the topic says.
18:08 administrator is anyone here
18:08 administrator is this koha channel
18:08 mtompset      Nice map, oleonard.
18:05 tcohen        ok, Lars Wirzenius
18:02 druthb        In Redneckistan.
18:02 druthb        it's an easy one…see all the red areas on that map?  that's where it's "whooper."
18:01 oleonard      We need one of these for "whooper" vs. "whipper" http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/popvssodamap.gif
18:00 druthb        :P
18:00 mtompset      Harder to google for, druthb.
17:59 druthb        oleonard: I'm from Redneckistan.  Whooper.
17:59 * mtompset    nods, "It's Whipper."
17:58 oleonard      "whooper?!" Whipper!
17:58 pianohacker   hahaha, it was something random and weird
17:58 tcohen        Leisure Industry Week
17:58 wahanui       Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
17:58 druthb        wahanui:  druthb?
17:58 mtompset      Still true!
17:58 wahanui       you are disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs.
17:58 mtompset      wahanui: mtompset?
17:58 druthb        pianohacker is a brilliant young whooper-snapper.
17:58 oleonard      pianohacker was gone so long wahanui forgot him.
17:57 druthb        !
17:57 wahanui       i haven't a clue, druthb
17:57 druthb        wahanui:  pianohacker?
17:57 mtompset      tcohen: Debian-ist. :P
17:56 pianohacker   ... I have no idea why I put jcamins: there. assuming you did something funny
17:56 pianohacker   jcamins: bahahaha
17:55 gmcharlt      :)
17:54 wahanui       BACKUPS ARE AWESOME!
17:54 tcohen        liw?
17:54 tcohen        *but* that won't go into 3.12 for now
17:54 jcamins       tcohen: you should ask liw about that.
17:54 jcamins       oleonard++
17:54 tcohen        heh
17:54 * oleonard    gives basket groups the evil eye
17:54 gmcharlt      heh
17:53 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9779 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove global include of YUI assets from the staff client
17:53 oleonard      Speaking of YUI, time to submit a patch for Bug 9779
17:53 tcohen        I belive we should ship our own and use that one anyway. we QA against the one we ship
17:52 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
17:49 tcohen        i guess i'll ask a Debian-er to do it :-P
17:48 jcamins       You'll just have to try it, I think.
17:47 tcohen        i raise this issue as we are about to support wheeze if i'm not mistaken
17:47 jcamins       maximep: so with YUI 2.9 you get a huge message filling your entire window saying "IE SUCKS! USE A REAL BROWSER!"?
17:46 tcohen        this is the changelog http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/wiki/ReadMe/Rollup_2.9.0
17:46 maximep       should be all fixes
17:45 maximep       iirc yui 2.9 fixes tons of stuff for ie9
17:40 tcohen        i wrote it wrong, it was 2.8 and 2.9, sorry
17:40 jcamins       tcohen: well, Koha includes version 2.8.0r4, and since we know the packages work fine under Squeeze, I think we can probably safely assume there were no changes between 1.8 and 2.8.
17:39 oleonard      Those don't seem to line up with YUI version numbers
17:38 tcohen        versions of libjs-yui I mean
17:38 tcohen        those are the versions shipped with squeeze and wheeze respectively
17:37 oleonard      Why those versions tcohen?
17:34 oleonard      No idea
17:33 tcohen        oleonard: do u know of any important change between YUI 1.8 and 1.9?
17:31 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1213 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1210 1 day 1 hr ago)
17:30 jcamins       Right.
17:29 tcohen        as long as there are no API changes between the shiped versions everything is fine
17:25 jcamins       tcohen: with other Debian packages.
17:25 tcohen        do they even match the one from the tarball?
17:25 tcohen        will the wheeze version match squeeze's?
17:25 tcohen        consistency with what jcamins?
17:24 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10350 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table
17:24 jenkins_koha  Owen Leonard: Bug 10350 - Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table
17:24 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1212: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1212/
17:22 pianohacker   nooooooo
17:22 wahanui       it has been said that consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds.
17:22 jcamins       consistency?
17:22 pianohacker   D:
17:22 wahanui       OK, jcamins.
17:22 jcamins       wahanui: consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds.
17:22 wahanui       jcamins: I forgot consistency
17:22 jcamins       wahanui: forget consistency
17:22 wahanui       consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier.
17:22 jcamins       consistency?
17:22 wahanui       ...but consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier....
17:22 jcamins       wahanui: no, consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds.
17:21 wahanui       consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier.
17:21 gmcharlt      consistency?
17:21 wahanui       ...but consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier....
17:21 gmcharlt      wahanui: consistency is the hobgoblin of programmer's minds
17:19 wahanui       i think consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier.
17:19 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , item-level_itype checks need to be refactored
17:19 jcamins       tcohen: consistency.
17:19 * gmcharlt    would appreciate comments on bug 10385
17:18 pianohacker   old ie mostly, but the new one could turn on us at any moment
17:18 pianohacker   ie--
17:18 druthb        ie--
17:18 druthb        pianohacker++
17:17 pianohacker   oleonard: This is probably the best though: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/49501668537/testing-interface-on-internet-explorer
17:12 * tcohen      is thinking what is the benefit of using packaged javascript libraries instead of those shipped with koha in .deb packages
17:05 pianohacker   oh god, so true. that gif is best with "Sail" though
17:02 talljoy       HAHAHA!  that describes my day today!!!
17:01 druthb        talljoy:  http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/49078186169/go-live-day
17:00 * oleonard    retitles, "After delving into Search.pm"
17:00 * oleonard    digs the Heathers quote: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/50331609882/after-6-hours-at-the-data-center
17:00 druthb        yes.  There's an even better one, a few pages in, "Initial Git Training."
16:59 pianohacker   I could watch that git gif all day, that's mesmerizing
16:55 druthb        That tumblr is full of good ones.
16:54 oleonard      :D
16:54 druthb        oleonard:  http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/49667540079/trying-to-fix-someone-elses-css
16:52 druthb        http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/50800607139/how-an-svn-user-sees-git-workflow
16:43 chris_n       khall++ #Rolling Hard Due Dates
16:11 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1212 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1210 1 day 0 hr ago)
16:10 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10350 - Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd9d643705b5bb0134ee229a076130a966be23bd>
15:53 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10326 minor, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , bulkmarcimport.pl turns off  CataloguingLog sys pref
15:53 jenkins_koha  Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10326: bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't restore value of CataloguingLog syspref
15:53 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1211: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1211/
15:24 reiveune      bye
15:10 wahanui       hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
15:10 pianohacker   hey oleonard
15:04 oleonard      Hi pianohacker
15:03 pianohacker   good morning
14:54 jcamins       gmcharlt: the trick is to make me encounter the bugs while working as opposed to while faffing around.
14:54 adam_m        gmcharlt: excellent, you guys are awesome
14:53 * gmcharlt    makes sure jcamins encounters ALL THE BUGS
14:53 gmcharlt      adam_m: yes, you can
14:53 jcamins       talljoy: ^^ whoops, wrong window
14:53 jcamins       Or, of course, you could fix whatever underlying bug you're encountering, which is what I usually do when I encounter a bug.
14:53 adam_m        gmcharlt: also does this allow me to assign some sort of default password this way
14:53 gmcharlt      yes -- if you go to the patron import tool, it includes a list of headers on its first screen
14:52 adam_m        gmcharlt: as for the other information, I'll need to enter the user name and other data like that, is there a list of headers somewhere
14:52 gmcharlt      yep, sounds right
14:51 adam_m        right ok, so in my case ill just use STUDENT or STAFF
14:49 gmcharlt      the category code
14:49 adam_m        gmcharlt: alright so i opened up libreoffice, so in the first cell i have the categorycode, so for each profile im creating under that i need to list what exactly? would it just be the name i had used for the profile category?
14:47 adam_m        ok
14:47 gmcharlt      then "export" or "save as" CSV
14:46 gmcharlt      one easy way to do it is to enter the data into a spreadsheet
14:46 adam_m        gmcharlt: haha, ok well I'm not sure how to start with this. First I need to know how to actually create a CSV file, can I just do that with gedit or something.
14:44 gmcharlt      so if your file contains patrons that all go to the same category, you can set the default there
14:44 gmcharlt      the patron import tool lets you (from its form) set default values for fields you don't include in teh CSV
14:43 gmcharlt      alternatively...
14:43 gmcharlt      subseqent lines (containing the patron records) would start with the code of the patron category you wanted assigned to each patron
14:43 gmcharlt      first line wwould start with "categorycode"
14:42 gmcharlt      so let's say you make the patron category the first column (order doesn't) matter
14:42 gmcharlt      so the first line of the CSV file should be a header listing the fields you want to populate for the patrons you're loading
14:42 gmcharlt      ah, OK
14:42 adam_m        gmcharlt: i mean importing a batch of patrons for a category I've already created.
14:41 jcamins       adam_m: but where is the data coming from?
14:41 gmcharlt      what do you mean by profiles?  patron categories?  staff users?  staff user permissions?
14:41 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1211 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:40 adam_m        gmcharlt: I've set everything up and added a few profiles already, I just want to see if i can add a bunch of profiles all at once rather than having to go through everything one at a time, even though I know ill need to set up passwords for everything later
14:38 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10326: bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't restore value of CataloguingLog syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d0284096708a65954c7e35a093cfdb727a6bb84>
14:38 gmcharlt      adam_m: what's your starting point for the patron data?
14:38 adam_m        gmcharlt: alright, so how does one go about creating a CSV file with profiles
14:34 jcamins       paul_p: I prefer to imagine that you are descended from an important Corinthian dynasty. :)
14:33 paul_p        jcamins = in french = "poulain" = "young horse"
14:33 jcamins       paul_p: There's a book here on Les Poulains de Corinthe. :D
14:33 adam_m        gmcharlt: thanks
14:32 gmcharlt      it takes a CSV file as input
14:31 gmcharlt      adam_m: I prefer to keep the suers out ;)  seriously, there's a patron import tool available on the Tools page
14:30 adam_m        users*
14:30 adam_m        Hello, does anyone know of  a way to bulk upload suers
14:29 * oleonard    crosses his fingers
14:29 jcamins       The latest patch works for me.
14:29 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons
14:29 jcamins       oleonard: bug 8662?
14:28 * oleonard    tries again
14:27 huginn`       druthb: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010)
14:27 druthb        @quote random
14:27 huginn`       gmcharlt: Quote #146: "rangi: when I was at brendans house we went to the farmers market and bought lots of almonds which I had to eat on the plane, cos can't bringthem into nz, so I was offering ppl nuts on the plane. cait: makes sense rangi: if its sensible for a crazy nzer to be waving almonds in ur face at 3am, then yes" (added by wizzyrea at 08:03 PM, July 28, 2011)
14:27 gmcharlt      @quote random
14:26 oleonard      I guess I didn't rebase before re-uploading yesterday
14:19 jcamins       (after running `git rebase origin/master`)
14:18 jcamins       oleonard: right, but did you reupload the patch?
14:16 oleonard      jcamins: I created a new branch based on master and used git-bz to apply the patch. It applied with not problem. Rebasing works.
14:14 jcamins       Your repo is probably the only one with the needed deltas.
14:13 jcamins       (and then a reupload)
14:13 jcamins       oleonard: did you do a rebase after applying?
14:09 * oleonard    grumbles
14:08 Joubu         oleonard: hum, weird. I just try again now and I get the same error. I asked to jajm and he got it too.
13:50 tcohen        http://snag.gy/RlBL8.jpg
13:50 tcohen        typed wrong twice :-D
13:48 tcohen        http://snag.gy/RIBL8.jpg
13:48 tcohen        heh http://sna.gy/RIBL8.jpg
13:42 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons
13:42 oleonard      Joubu: I don't understand what's going on with Bug 8662. I can use git bz to apply the patch on a fresh branch and it works with no problem.
13:18 druthb        "Ladies and gentlemen, the performance will continue in ten minutes' time, when the role of druthb will be performed by Grumpy Cat."
13:03 druthb        Bah.  It's still woefully short, by my thinkin'.  But I managed to hit my stride on a  couple of things, so I'm finally starting to feel productive.
13:02 oleonard      Clear some space for the gold stars druthb
13:02 * druthb      updates her accomplishments list—today is my 80-day evaluation at cPanel!
12:42 druthb        :P
12:41 tcohen        sorry, I don't belive you
12:38 druthb        not this morning, I'm not.
12:37 tcohen        speedy-druthb
12:37 druthb        o/
12:29 oleonard      Hi tcohen, #koha
12:29 tcohen        morning #koha
10:15 vfernandes    one question people : migration from 3.0.6 to 3.12 is trivial (besides on update of items of 3.4)??
10:13 vfernandes    hi :)
09:17 cait          and bye guess i should entertain my guests  - one has started to wash yesterdays dishes
09:16 drojf         hi rangi and cait
09:16 cait          hi drojf
09:16 rangi         hi drojf
09:15 drojf         hi #koha
07:29 gaetan_B      hello
07:13 asaurat       hi
07:11 samueld       hi everybody
07:04 talljoy       must be morning at biblibre!  bonjour!
06:46 reiveune      hello
04:33 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @Tredok: "Ce matin, combo hit x3 : intro veille, outils acquéreurs (Zotero, LibX et MarcEdit), puis rappels sur le module acquisition #KohaILS"
04:25 mtj           ^^ ohh, that link was actually from dcook++
04:17 dcook         [off] I'm going to be glad to be done this current project so I can go back to working on Koha...
04:08 eythian       though, most of them are pretty rubbish if I'm being honest.
04:08 eythian       plenty more where that came from, I have a whole internet worth of links!
04:08 mtj           …and thanks heeps for the link eythian++ :D
03:59 mtj           anyhoo, i'm really very happy to find that info - so not complaining here
03:59 gmcharlt      (i.e., I will happily take that ;) )
03:58 gmcharlt      eh, that's pretty friendly
03:57 mtj           the goofy thing is.. loc could easily dump that info in a much more user-friendly format, but frustratingly dont?! :/
03:55 mtj           yeah, i think so too
03:55 gmcharlt      mtj: yeah, that looks as good as it gets -- and actually, wouldn't be hard at all to write a parser for that
03:54 gmcharlt      figured as much
03:53 eythian       easy fix
03:53 eythian       gmcharlt: the conflict is in the perldoc :)
03:52 eythian       also, I want to get this patch in
03:52 eythian       no, then it'll just sit there and fester
03:52 mtj           afaict, this is about the best marc21 spec, loc have -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html
03:51 gmcharlt      seriously, it can, of course, wait
03:51 * gmcharlt    avoids temptation to set *all* bugs to patch does not apply ;)
03:50 dcook         Not cool huginn
03:50 dcook         Murrrr
03:50 gmcharlt      eythian: oh dear, I didn't realize that being RM now came with such powers of insistence
03:50 huginn`       dcook: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
03:50 dcook         @quote add eythian: I think it's a case of when all you have is marc, everything looks like a catalogue record.
03:49 wizzyrea      I drink your milkshake?
03:49 dcook         eythian++
03:49 eythian       there will be problems
03:49 trea          if eythian gets too much blood in his beer stream, disaster will ensue.
03:48 eythian       gmcharlt: it's improper that you should make me fix things to close to beer o'clock
03:46 trea          sounds about right
03:45 eythian       I think it's a case of when all you have is marc, everything looks like a catalogue record.
03:45 trea          ^
03:45 rangi         all your base are belong to memes
03:45 eythian       trea: so, the .eLM software uses the marc structure to store all its data, such as borrowers.
03:45 trea          i was a hipster before it was cool
03:45 wizzyrea      an* even
03:45 rangi         :)
03:45 wizzyrea      you're and anti-hipster.
03:44 trea          i just wait till the memes have fallen out of favor, then start using them. it's completely deliberate.
03:44 wizzyrea      it's the twenteens version of "not"
03:44 wizzyrea      ^.^
03:43 rangi         https://twitter.com/mjgiarlo/status/340305423972331520
03:43 wahanui       i already had it that way, trea.
03:43 trea          wahanui use more marc is <reply> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3unp1l/
03:43 trea          use more marc is <reply> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3unp1l/
03:43 wizzyrea      I love those said no one ever memes.
03:41 rangi         never really caught on tho
03:41 rangi         mods is a zillion times more sane
03:40 dcook         Maybe it's my lack of familiarity with MODS, but those schemas look quite nice...http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/mods-schemas.html
03:39 trea          <saidnooneever>we should use more marc</saidnooneever>
03:38 cjh           wer... close enough.
03:38 cjh           there wer are, ty
03:38 wizzyrea      j/k, I'm not really getting pulled over.
03:38 dcook         O_o
03:38 wahanui       http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
03:38 wizzyrea      we should use more marc
03:38 wizzyrea      CAN'T TALK I'M GETTING PULLED OVER
03:38 cjh           more marc?
03:38 cjh           use more marc?
03:37 wizzyrea      oh
03:37 cjh           oh god.
03:37 dcook         wizzyrea: marc...death...stuff
03:37 wahanui       wot is d diff btw Staff client interface and OPAC
03:37 wizzyrea      wot?
03:37 dcook         It hasn't been updated in 5 years
03:37 * dcook       shrugs
03:36 mtj           hmm, that marcxml page looks promising tho
03:36 dcook         Hmm, where's wizzyrea when you need her..
03:36 wahanui       marc is the standard that isn't
03:36 dcook         marc?
03:36 wahanui       The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.
03:36 dcook         marc?
03:36 wahanui       hmmm... marc is the standard that isn't
03:36 dcook         marc?
03:33 dcook         Looks like that file is only good up to...2008
03:32 dcook         http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/mrcbxmlfile.dtd
03:27 mtj           and the current marc21 spec is 'Update No. 16 (April 2013)'
03:26 mtj           koha's framework was created around nov 2007, so a safe assumption is that koha's marc21 version is 'Update No. 8 (October 2007)'
03:24 dcook         I suppose someone could write a processor for this plain text...but that's rather suboptimal
03:21 dcook         "This document lists all valid and obsolete data elements that may appear in MARC 21 bibliographic records. It is intended to meet the need for a simple data element list to support MARC system development and online validation of MARC data elements. This listing does not include any descriptions or examples of MARC data elements. Descriptions and examples can be found in the MARC 21 Format for Bibliographic Data."
03:21 dcook         Mmm, ish
03:21 dcook         And that's a plain text version of what we'd like
03:21 dcook         http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html
03:20 eythian       http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html <-- from here
03:20 dcook         Neato
03:20 dcook         mtj: Ahhhh! That's totally what I was talking about.
03:20 eythian       http://www.loc.gov/marc/languages/ <-- dcook
03:20 mtj           … i think thats about as good as it gets
03:19 eythian       they're linked from whereever the marc spec explains the need for them
03:19 mtj           dcook, aah, here we go! -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html
03:19 dcook         Where are the language code, etc. XML?
03:18 gmcharlt      language codes and the like being available as XML is (relatively) recent
03:17 * gmcharlt    suspects that there have been over _2 decades_ worth of ILS vendors and projects asking LC to put the tag, subfield, and value lists in a structured format
03:17 mtj           dcook, actually - i might be wrong there :/
03:16 eythian       like the language codes that MARC uses
03:16 eythian       they publish everything else in XML
03:16 gmcharlt      eythian: your sense of optimism reflected in that statement is refreshing :)
03:15 eythian       I'm surprised the MARC21 spec isn't published as XML that we can use to make framewords straight from
03:14 dcook         Yeah, that is pretty handy
03:14 gmcharlt      yep
03:14 dcook         That bit at the bottom?
03:14 gmcharlt      to be fair, the LC website does include some change log info on the pages themseves
03:14 dcook         gmcharlt: That sounds horrible
03:14 dcook         mtj: Oh?
03:13 gmcharlt      the way back machine?
03:13 mtj           dcook, there are, sort of….
03:13 dcook         I just wonder if there are update digests where a person can see incrementally how the spec has changed over time
03:13 dcook         gmcharlt: Right, but it would be a royal pain to go through every entry
03:13 gmcharlt      dcook: well, short of whatever LC uses internally, it's not going to get more authoritative than the LC website
03:12 mtj           i'm thinking it might be worth asking the Q, on the code4lib list
03:12 dcook         As he's been updating the authority frameworks, and I would love to know what he's used as his source of information. It might just be the LoC site, but..
03:12 gmcharlt      sort of things where ultimately best thing would be for LC to do it
03:12 gmcharlt      I'm not aware of anything better than that
03:12 dcook         Might not be a bad idea to ask bkriegel
03:12 dcook         mtj: I've been wondering about this too
03:11 mtj           …other than scraping the loc website
03:11 mtj           im curious whether anyone has a machine readable version of the spec… yet
03:11 gmcharlt      sure :)
03:10 mtj           lol, ok… i just thought i'd ask, in case EG had a better method
03:09 gmcharlt      pretty much
03:09 eythian       ah, same as the Koha method then
03:09 gmcharlt      mtj: effectively, wait until there is a sufficient dull roar of complaints that the tag list is too out of date :/
03:08 mtj           gmcharlt, how do the #evergreen peeps track marc21 updates?
03:07 huginn`       wizzyrea: Quote #203: "francharb: oh god… it's complicated" (added by wizzyrea at 03:48 PM, May 08, 2012)
03:07 wizzyrea      @quote random
03:07 gmcharlt      mtj: yep
03:06 mtj           gmcharlt, still about?
02:44 huginn`       wizzyrea: Quote #223: "kf: ... which has opportunities for great power and wizardry as well as grande disaster." (added by druthb at 02:06 PM, December 12, 2012)
02:44 wizzyrea      @quote random
02:44 huginn`       wizzyrea: Quote #48: "<sekjal> no, anything I said was my fault" (added by jwagner at 09:52 PM, December 09, 2009)
02:44 wizzyrea      @quote random
02:44 huginn`       wizzyrea: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009)
02:44 wizzyrea      @quote random
02:43 dcook         hehe
02:28 huginn`       gmcharlt: Quote #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!" (added by jwagner at 04:32 PM, August 19, 2010)
02:28 gmcharlt      @quote random
00:44 dcook         "What are you doing, Dave?"
00:44 dcook         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Assistive_Limb
00:42 dcook         Hmm, I suppose you cook it then crack it open?
00:41 mtj           …a remote bush tribe, somewhere in papua new guinea, i think
00:35 mtj           i remember as a kid, seeing nat-geo pics of people roasting huge hairy spiders wrapped in a big leaf, over a fire
00:27 dcook         Personally, I'd like to try out snake
00:27 dcook         Despite that whole eating spiders in your sleep thing
00:27 dcook         Spiders? I never thought of that
00:25 mtj           but insects and spiders… yum!
00:24 mtj           ive always been squeamish about seafood, since i was a kid... :)
00:21 dcook         Some people love their fish though?
00:21 dcook         Hmm, I thought that might be the case
00:21 mtj           dcook, yep… very sarcastic!
00:20 dcook         mtj: I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not :p
00:16 dcook         Open source the law!
00:16 dcook         Rather neat idea to provide a community forum for legal experts. Again, it wouldn't be "official" or legal legal advice, but...definitely would help people out
00:15 dcook         Unfortunately, Canlii is still not an "official" source of the law, so you can't use anything you find in court (if I recall correctly), but it is a rather wonderful site for finding out the law (and then you go to the authoritative source which is identical anyway)
00:14 dcook         This -> http://www.canlii.ca/en/blog/index.php?%2Farchives%2F87-Request-for-Proposal-RFP-CanLII-Community-website.html
00:14 mtj           i'll give up anchovies and sardines
00:10 dcook         I don't smoke but giving up vanilla coke and chocolate...perhaps I see where they're coming from...
00:09 dcook         Interesting campaign in NSW to stop smoking...the idea is that loved ones also pledge to quit something if you quit smoking