Time Nick Message 23:00 jcamins Life is good with mail filters. 22:55 pianohacker Probably the easiest way 22:55 jcamins git push myremote commithash:remotebranch 22:54 jcamins pianohacker: you can do it a few patches at a time. 22:54 pianohacker grrrrrrrr. Does anyone know of a way to to a git-push in stages? I am being actively thwarted by some sort of upload-throttling in the building's wifi 22:33 cait just checking some mail before going to sleep 22:32 mtj hi and bye 22:32 cait :) 22:32 mtj hey cait 22:32 mtj jcamins, bookmark that url for later… it looks like a good one :) 22:31 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, cait. 22:31 cait good night 22:31 * cait waves 22:31 jcamins mtj++ # nicely done 22:30 jcamins lol 22:29 mtj i strongly disagree with your statement! 22:29 jcamins We do that a lot. 22:28 mtj "...painting the bike shed" 22:27 mtj rangi++, just watching now… very interesting! -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE 21:37 pianohacker jcamins: okay, cool. thanks 21:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6399 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma' 21:36 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 6399 - tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma' 21:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #127: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/127/ 21:36 jcamins pianohacker: here's a catalog I did not do: http://www.mckittrickrarebooks.com/mckittrick/images/pdfs/McKittrick_SS16.pdf 21:35 rhcl yea, ic 21:35 * jcamins will probably be back a bit later. 21:35 jcamins To the dinner table and salad! 21:35 jcamins I think it's dinner time. 21:34 pianohacker Yeah, punctuation is quite important. Not to the AACR level though 21:34 jcamins rhcl: looks like part of my problem was reported in 2006. Ouch. http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=3540 21:32 jcamins Heh. Good enough. 21:32 wahanui aacr2 is probably generally an abomination, but that's something else. 21:32 jcamins aacr2? 21:32 wahanui aacr2 is an abomination, but more because of what we do with it than because it is inherently evil to have the cataloger entering punctuation, IMO. 21:32 jcamins aacr2? 21:32 jcamins I am very particular about how my catalog entries are punctuated. Initial punctuation, terminating punctuation, those matter a great deal to the overall impression of a catalog, and they are not always derivable from the "fields" that I am using. 21:32 wahanui okay, jcamins. 21:32 jcamins AACR2 is also generally an abomination, but that's something else. 21:31 jcamins Sorry, AACR2 (well, ISBD) punctuation. 21:30 jcamins AACR2 is an abomination, but more because of what we do with it than because it is inherently evil to have the cataloger entering punctuation, IMO. 21:29 jcamins Generally. 21:29 pianohacker and the smaller ones would be more densely packed? 21:29 jcamins (some of the catalogs for dealers are as few as 3-4 pages) 21:29 pianohacker When I was first learning, I thought AACR2 punctuation was an irritation; then I learned why it was there, and now I just think it's an archaic abomination 21:28 jcamins Over a hundred pages. I hadn't quite appreciated how many illustrated catalogs I'd done. 21:28 jcamins Well, my best illustrated catalogs that were not published by someone else. 21:28 pianohacker Yeah. It would be fantastic to have something that isn't just "chop catalog cards into labeled pieces", and worked better to convey information to the computer and could be formatted nicely for the user 21:28 jcamins Actually, I just printed off copies of my best catalogs from the last year or so. 21:27 jcamins This may somewhat clarify why I call it Biblio*narrator*. :) 21:26 jcamins Yeah, I am not pro-MARC. 21:26 pianohacker cool! very different side of cataloging than the MARC-heavy world I'm used to 21:26 pianohacker makes sense 21:25 jcamins Dealers, collectors, and appraisers, in order from most-frequent to least-frequent requestors. 21:24 pianohacker book collectors? 21:24 pianohacker what sort of people ask for these? 21:24 jcamins Right. 21:24 jcamins Then I got annoyed when clients were taking my intellectually beautiful cataloging, and providing them in Times New Roman-filled pages accompanied by low-quality photocopies. 21:23 pianohacker Ahh, okay. So more exhibit, less metadata 21:22 jcamins In addition to doing the cataloging, I tend to end up writing the introductions as the expert on the subject-at-hand. 21:22 jcamins [off] http://www.eprarebooks.com/cgi-bin/phillips/212.html <-- more narrative 21:22 jcamins [off] Okay, bad example, I'm not sure why Chrome autocompleted 231. One moment... 21:21 jcamins [off] Imagine illustrated, carefully-styled documents containing pages and pages of narrative records along the lines of http://www.eprarebooks.com/cgi-bin/phillips/231.html 21:21 pianohacker master = masterful = obviously the best choice for production, right? 21:20 jcamins I don't think any of mine are available publicly. 21:20 pianohacker * catalogs 21:20 jcamins lol 21:20 pianohacker jcamins: What exactly are those? I've heard the term many a time but never seen one 21:20 jcamins When I am preparing a document for printing, I am decidedly not prepared to deal with what it entails. 21:20 jcamins rhcl: I don't use development versions of software unless I'm certain I am prepared to deal with what that entails. 21:19 jcamins pianohacker: I produce catalogs. 21:19 rhcl jcamins: configure, make, make install? 21:18 pianohacker jcamins: Do you do graphic design work? It sounds like you've poked at this a lot 21:18 jcamins Actually, maybe 1.5.0 isn't so far away: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/1.5.x_Roadmap 21:18 pianohacker libpoppler specifically, but it's a wonderfully pure PDF viewer 21:17 pianohacker evince++ 21:17 rhcl this page: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Color_Management_setup acks color display problems with pdf, says to use Evince for the pdf viewer 21:16 jcamins rhcl: 1.5.0svn = master 21:16 jcamins Ouch, 1.5.0 is a long way away, isn't it: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus_1.5.0_Release_Schedule 21:16 rhcl 1.5 is on the website? 21:14 pianohacker man it would have been nice if ted nelson were less crazy, he was a massive visionary 21:14 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8718123/All-I-want-for-my-birthday-is-Maui <-- for those that missed it :) 21:14 pianohacker ' * 1.4.2: Oh, that's what UIs are for! Cor!' 21:14 rangi right now i need to go get the kindergarten set up for the big party 21:13 rangi http://hypothes.is/blog/cross-format-annotation/ 21:13 jcamins You never know. 21:13 * jcamins downloads it anyway. 21:13 jcamins Bah. They're only up to 1.4.2 21:12 jcamins I have 1.4.1. 21:12 rhcl disclaimer: don't know anything about the above 21:11 * jcamins will download the latest. 21:11 jcamins Though maybe there's a new improved version of Scribus. 21:11 rhcl http://decafbad.net/projects/scribus-tutorial/ 21:10 jcamins After that I just bought InDesign. 21:10 jcamins rhcl: yeah, it's an issue in the screen-rendered PDF too. 21:10 rhcl oops 21:10 rhcl I 21:10 rhcl jcamins: and you ruled out idiosyncrasies with the printer and printer driver? 21:10 jcamins I don't necessarily expect good color matching without custom profiles, but using CMY without any K is not really acceptable for a file consisting of black text and a few color images. 21:09 jcamins 3) I was not happy with the PDFs/PS it produced for high-res printing. 21:09 rhcl we're still working on those things--the Pantone charts help some 21:08 rhcl we have a brand new Savin higher-end copier. Color with Quark has great variation between the ps and pcl drivers 21:08 jcamins A lot. 21:08 jcamins Which sucks. 21:08 jcamins Even when working the CMYK colorspace, it insists that you're using CMY. 21:07 pianohacker Yeah, that's the thing. Bugs in piles and heaps 21:07 jcamins 2) The color support is very poor. 21:07 rhcl well, I don't think I ever had to mess with the cfg, but again, that was a couple of years ago for me 21:06 jcamins I had to edit by hand the configuration every time I wanted to open a file. 21:06 jcamins That was a biggy. 21:06 jcamins The major problems I encountered were: 1) it absolutely cannot handle multiple displays. 21:06 rhcl then? 21:06 jcamins When it works. 21:05 jcamins rhcl: in terms of interface, Scribus isn't too bad. 21:03 rhcl I can google around a bit; at one time I was playing with it (Scribus) and had gotten a general feel for it, but that was a couple of years ago. 21:02 pianohacker rhcl: Okay, fair enough. Do you know any good tutorials? 21:01 pianohacker I just do everything in Inkscape these days, and as twitchy as that text layout engine, it's easier to understand than Scribus 21:01 rhcl pianohacker: our publicity person is married to Quark, and I help him all the time; Scribus seems just as logical to me as Quark does. 21:01 pianohacker yeah, that was my reaction 21:01 jcamins I tried scribus for a while, but, ugh. 21:01 jcamins pianohacker: not that I know of. 21:01 rangi heh 20:59 pianohacker rangi: You're like a friendly, kiwi alternative.to :) 20:59 pianohacker sweet, thanks 20:59 rangi pianohacker: ill ask the design team at work 20:58 pianohacker jcamins: Is there any good open-source equivalent to InDesign that you know of that is open-source? Scribus is the closest, but has a twitchy, awkward ui 20:57 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 20:57 jcamins @later tell mtompset Of course that was intentional. I did it in InDesign. The French version was done in LibreOffice, and isn't as nice. 20:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #127 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:40 administrator bye 20:31 rangi http://msujaws.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/protecting-your-open-source-project-from-poisonous-people/ 20:30 * rangi tries to route around the damage on the list 20:26 administrator nice weekend 20:26 administrator thanks for your help.. have an ice weekend 20:26 mtompset Bye, #koha. Have a great day. 20:25 administrator ok.. 20:25 mtompset I have to leave. 20:25 administrator he had trouble removing 20:25 mtompset I don't know, administrator. 20:25 mtompset [off] ARG. 20:25 administrator the optional stuff.. can i add it later and just do the mandatory 20:24 administrator now 20:24 administrator can i postpone step 3 or do i need to do it all ow 20:24 rangi [off] and that email is why we can no longer have useful discussions because an opinionated troll with illinformed opinions hijacks all threads 20:23 administrator wait.. 20:23 mtompset administrator: You should have a workable system now. 20:23 mtompset I have to leave now. 20:22 mtompset Did you intentionally format the release notes into the pretty format, jcamins? What application did you use? 20:21 mtompset Sorry for the slow reply, tcohen. Have a good one too. 20:21 administrator I'll check and uncheck all but the sample patrons and library 20:21 administrator but I am .. so i'll forgive him.. 20:20 tcohen have a nice weekend mtompset, #koha 20:20 administrator he was here before.. if I weren't a monk...!!! 20:19 administrator if we do standard things the way it should be done.. then no problem.. he doesn't know anything either 20:19 administrator he aint around 20:18 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS Northeast Harbor Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/Iq1OG0qhZ0" 20:18 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS Koha Community Newsletter: May 2013 http://t.co/64RqY1aKpw" 20:15 mtompset So, okay. 20:14 mtompset But I supposed he'll want to check/uncheck things. 20:14 mtompset No, your friend is needed at initial log in. :) 20:14 administrator i'm out for 5 min 20:14 administrator ok.. time to get my friend for step 3 20:14 mtompset the difference is find in the permissions. 20:13 mtompset patrons include staff. 20:13 mtompset and make sure to go to the administration area and set up the things that need setting up (like your library branch and patrons) 20:13 mtompset log into the staff client using the same user name and password you used to set koha up. 20:13 mtompset once you are done the web install. 20:12 mtompset you're not done yet. 20:12 mtompset finish the web install. 20:12 administrator step 3 is to check options 20:12 mtompset please refer to appropriate manual: http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 20:11 administrator how 20:11 mtompset but your first task is to set up branches, and patrons. 20:11 administrator did the marc21 and now checkingadn unchecking 20:11 administrator i'm on it. 20:11 mtompset please refer to appropriate manual: http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 20:11 administrator it is sort of buddhist you know 20:11 administrator when I checked 'em he said he could not delete things because of interconnectedness 20:10 administrator ok.. need to get my friend.. to check the things... its his project.. 20:10 tcohen jcamins++ #didn't see those cute release notes before 20:09 mtompset And if they need higher permissions you can set them. 20:09 mtompset And it is the patron username and password that you match to what the other people want. 20:09 administrator ok step 3ing 20:09 mtompset You need to create a library branch and patrons. 20:08 mtompset You are in with the ultimate user password. 20:08 mtompset Also... 20:08 mtompset You can go there to find this conversation and others. 20:08 wahanui rumour has it irc is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 20:08 mtompset irc? 20:05 administrator what is your email..or does this irc get archived 20:04 administrator will you be here for a while 20:04 administrator thank you. 20:04 administrator i'm in 20:04 mtompset Now, if you get stuck, ask questions. 20:03 mtompset Though, when it gives you a whole bunch of optional and mandatory things to check... I would check most of them... no sample patrons or libraries though. 20:02 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "stoked that the 2 largest libraries in armenia are using #KohaILS to run their union catalogue" 20:02 mtompset It should be pretty simple now. 20:02 mtompset Yes. 20:01 administrator lets try to log in wait... I know this part 20:01 mtompset okay... good, we are now in the web installer steps. YAY! 20:01 administrator yup got it 20:01 administrator i did .. that s why you are a small g god 20:01 mtompset Did you get a log in screen? 20:01 mtompset You should get a log in screen. 20:01 mtompset Go to library-intra.dhamma-pc 20:01 administrator I thought you were joking 20:00 mtompset Sorry if I come across as rude. 20:00 administrator The wiki needs to say this stuff 20:00 mtompset No, I'm just a man with a time limit. :) 20:00 administrator you are god (smallg) 20:00 mtompset Did you get a log in screen? 20:00 mtompset You should get a log in screen. 20:00 administrator oops! 20:00 mtompset Go to library-intra.dhamma-pc 20:00 administrator what next\/ 19:59 administrator ok 19:59 mtompset Stop asking questions. 19:59 administrator i've done a few installs ..maybe confused 19:59 administrator if not we are ok 19:59 administrator sql asks for a passord.. did koha create ask for one too? 19:59 administrator ok 19:59 mtompset Don't worry about that! 19:58 administrator I'm not sure they will match 19:58 administrator The monk here wanted a different password 19:58 mtompset use library-intra.dhamma-pc 19:58 mtompset now... instead of library.dhamma-pc 19:58 administrator oh shoot 19:58 administrator yes 19:58 mtompset :) 19:58 administrator ok .. it's not "password" 19:58 mtompset Do you have the password? 19:57 mtompset do not tell me it. 19:57 mtompset don't tlel me it! 19:57 mtompset you have the password? 19:57 mtompset WAIT... 19:57 administrator shall i web again 19:57 administrator ok 19:57 mtompset you only get that error if you have NEVER run the web install set up for Koha. 19:57 administrator fini 19:56 administrator ok 19:56 mtompset sudo xmlstarlet sel -t -v 'yazgfs/config/pass' /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml 19:56 administrator ;( 19:56 administrator ok.. ?? it should say in the instructions.. I've been here before 19:56 mtompset we need to look up the password. 19:56 mtompset Now... 19:56 mtompset Good error. 19:55 mtompset YAY! valid error. 19:55 administrator error 19:55 administrator web results 19:55 administrator what maintenence page.. I posted 19:55 mtompset did you get a maintence page? 19:54 administrator ok 19:54 mtompset translation manager is AFTER everything is installed. 19:54 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "another great #KohaILS newsletter http://t.co/vHz0kfqLcU" 19:54 mtompset No... next is NOT translation manager. 19:53 mtompset did you get a maintence page? 19:53 wahanui next is translation manager 19:53 administrator what next 19:53 administrator I've been here before 19:53 mtompset fine... 19:53 administrator firefox 19:53 administrator i only typed library.dhamma-pc 19:52 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "web results" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/43 19:51 mtompset Well? 19:51 mtompset You should get a maintenance warning. 19:51 administrator shall i library.dhamma-pc 19:50 mtompset open a web browser to http://library.dhamma-pc/ 19:50 mtompset Now... let's see how close we are. 19:50 administrator fini 19:50 administrator ok 19:50 mtompset Yes. 19:50 administrator ? 19:50 administrator save 19:50 mtompset Leave it. 19:50 mtompset administrator: It's fine. 19:49 administrator i bet 127 is not ok 19:48 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Use this" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/41 19:48 administrator oopss.. ok 19:47 mtompset I said ADD... I did not say change. 19:47 mtompset NO. 19:46 administrator shall I save 19:46 mtompset Let's see the paste first. 19:46 administrator shall I save? 19:46 mtompset administrator? Paste the revised /etc/hosts file with the two new lines. 19:43 mtompset That's fine... nano, gedit, vi... use whatever works. 19:43 administrator wait gedit is easier 19:43 administrator i'm working still 19:42 mtompset administrator? Paste the revised /etc/hosts file with the two new lines. 19:40 mtompset let's see the paste now. 19:39 mtompset You need to ADD two lines. 19:39 administrator doing 19:39 mtompset and instead of library-intra.framisdooby.org use library-intra.dhamma-pc 19:39 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tweak" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/39 19:39 mtompset and instead of library.framisdooby.org use library.dhamma-pc 19:39 mtompset now, instead of 127.0.0.1 use 192.168.1.121 19:38 administrator oh i see 19:38 mtompset administrator: Because you haven't tweak hosts file. 19:38 administrator what to do? 19:38 administrator ok lets tweak. 19:37 administrator i tried to go to dhamma-pc.. got error 19:37 mtompset Tweak Hosts file. 19:37 mtompset No. 19:37 mtompset Let's get it working, and then if it breaks, because your ip address changes... just come back to here and someone might be able to help you fix that. 19:36 administrator ? 19:36 administrator web install 19:36 administrator ok. 19:36 mtompset Don't reboot. 19:36 mtompset If it isn't mentioned, but you have it, then I'm willing to guess it will stay the same. 19:36 administrator maybe I should reboot ? r u sure 19:35 mtompset I just want to make sure that your ip address on eth0 is going to stay the same. 19:35 administrator ? 19:35 administrator good 19:35 administrator oh.. thats goog? 19:35 administrator uh oh 19:35 mtompset Okay... no need to reboot. 19:35 mtompset Strange, no reference to eth0. 19:34 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cat results" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/38 19:33 mtompset could you sudo cat /etc/network/interfaces 19:33 mtompset Hmm... 19:33 administrator so we don't get dhcp 19:33 administrator you want the ip address again? 19:32 administrator ok.. 19:32 mtompset and paste the contents of sudo ifconfig. 19:32 administrator i hope I can connect to irc again! 19:32 administrator ok 19:32 mtompset I would like you to reboot the machine. 19:32 administrator ok.. no complains? 19:32 mtompset Hmm... okay... Now, I have a strange request... 19:32 administrator ok 19:31 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ifconfig" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/37 19:31 mtompset Because every installation could have variations in configuration. 19:30 administrator ok 19:30 administrator why don't they have a script? 19:30 mtompset paste the output of your sudo ifconfig. 19:30 administrator ok 19:30 mtompset Not yet... we're getting very close. 19:30 administrator now web installer 19:30 administrator no web installer? 19:29 administrator sadhu 19:29 mtompset good... just checking there wasn't a step missed in the instructions. :) 19:29 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "gedit no vanilla" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/36 19:28 pianohacker gedit is Just Fine™ 19:28 pianohacker I think that's the gedit motto, truthfully 19:28 mtompset gedit is just fine. 19:28 mtompset I'm a vi person. 19:28 mtompset whatever... 19:27 administrator how bout gedit 19:27 mtompset And then paste that? 19:27 mtompset sudo vi /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library 19:27 mtompset could you... 19:27 administrator ok .. i really appreciate your help.. 19:27 mtompset Yes, administrator, that's fine. 19:26 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "enable results" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/35 19:26 mtompset oh, and that reminds me... 19:26 mtompset [off] have a good day, jcamins. :) 19:25 jcamins [off] Okay, I don't want to do the locking up today, so I guess it's time to go, before my client's housekeeper leaves. 19:25 mtompset then you would have configured apache2 to use it. 19:25 mtompset If you had an externally accessible website like library.testthisout.org 19:24 mtompset No, it's just a DNS complaint. 19:24 administrator ok good .. i thought i was toast 19:24 mtompset That's fine. 19:24 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha create" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/34 19:23 mtompset then continue the commands in Enable Modules and Site section. 19:22 administrator did goof 19:22 mtompset sudo koha-create --create-db library 19:22 mtompset run it now. 19:22 administrator no 19:22 mtompset you didn't run the koha-create command?! 19:22 administrator ERROR: Site library does not exist! 19:22 administrator administrator@LIbraryPC:~$ sudo a2ensite library 19:21 mtompset But the last command does a restart. 19:21 mtompset Because they will say you need to reload or restart. 19:20 mtompset and ignore all the outputs. 19:20 administrator ok 19:20 mtompset Yes. 19:20 administrator ? 19:20 administrator the rewrite stuff 19:20 mtompset Do that. 19:20 administrator no 19:20 mtompset have you run the commands in the Enabled Modules and Site section? 19:19 mtompset last command. 19:19 mtompset Because the last comment in the Enable Modules and Site section does what you need. 19:19 mtompset No. 19:19 administrator shall i run reload 19:19 mtompset Don't worry about that feedback yet. 19:18 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "a2dissite result" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/33 19:18 mtompset Then jump to the Enable Modules and Site section. 19:16 mtompset sudo a2dissite 000-default 19:16 mtompset since this is your own stand alone machine, 19:16 administrator glad you updated it correctly 19:16 mtompset close that. 19:16 mtompset Okay, then there's nothing to do. Which is good. :) 19:16 administrator yup 19:16 mtompset No # in the front of them? 19:16 mtompset Uncommented? 19:15 administrator Listen 80 19:15 administrator i see.. NameVirtualHost *:80 19:15 mtompset Yes, the goal is to confirm all the ports needed are listed and that NameVirtualHosts is there too. 19:14 administrator shall I do that now 19:14 administrator sudo nano /etc/apache2/ports.conf ?? 19:14 mtompset okay. 19:14 administrator I tweaked 19:13 mtompset configuring apache, I mean. 19:12 mtompset So you are at the configuring ports section? 19:12 administrator sql is finished.. 19:12 mtompset Have you done that and moved on to the Ubuntu Security Tweak section? 19:11 administrator did the sql pwd.. i read that 2% of users use "password" in 2600 19:09 mtompset Yes. 19:09 administrator then I will do sudo koha-create --create-db library 19:08 administrator doing it now 19:07 mtompset okay, did you install mysql-server yet? 19:07 administrator idid the rewrite 19:07 administrator yup 19:07 mtompset did you save it, administrator? 19:06 mtompset did you save it? 19:06 mtompset Yes, that looks right. 19:05 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my domain" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/32 19:05 bag heh 19:05 wahanui bag: i haven't a clue 19:05 bag wahanui: sniff paste? 19:05 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org 19:05 mtompset paste? 19:04 administrator how to paste big things 19:04 mtompset okay, use the paste your example, like I showed you before using the website. 19:04 administrator pay attention to the dot in front 19:04 administrator wait.. I made the file I want to post it.. but all I changed was the dns to .dhamma-pc 19:03 mtompset If you have already installed mysql-server, then please remember the root user password. :) 19:02 mtompset please choose a good password for the root user, and DO NOT TYPE IT HERE. 19:02 mtompset sudo apt-get install mysql-server 19:02 mtompset next command... I'm thinking you are going with a local database. 19:02 mtompset any output is irrelevant, because it is either already turned on, or it just go turned on. 19:01 mtompset now we're at the next command. sudo a2enmod rewrite 19:01 mtompset save the file. 19:00 mtompset everything else, the same as the example. 19:00 administrator sadhu! that means.. great in buddhist language! 19:00 administrator ok.. i'm editing 19:00 mtompset we are going to put ".dhamma-pc" in DOMAIN. 19:00 jcamins (my interjections are in no way intended as instructions, I am simply curious about things that are said occasionally) 18:59 administrator ok.. TELL ME what todo 18:59 mtompset edit the /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file. 18:59 jcamins Okay. 18:59 mtompset administrator: keep going. 18:59 mtompset But at this point in time... 18:59 administrator yup 18:59 mtompset They should be updated to reflect the correction. 18:59 mtompset Because when I last edited them there was a install bug. 18:58 administrator i donno 18:58 jcamins (tl;dr version, please) 18:58 jcamins mtompset: why do the instructions have oldstable? 18:58 administrator sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list 18:58 administrator he latest version package (3.10.x using squeeze repository) seems to break slightly under Ubuntu. Simply: 18:58 administrator i can run them if you want 18:58 mtompset Don't worry... keep going. 18:57 administrator are these still current (i skipped) 18:57 mtompset -- that's why the instructions have oldstable. 18:57 administrator and some commands 18:57 mtompset You didn't edit the /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file. 18:57 administrator there is a mention of a bug 18:57 administrator under the download the latest koha release.. 18:57 administrator see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 18:56 administrator ok.. thanks for catching me 18:56 mtompset WAIT! 18:56 administrator I'm going to run some more commands 18:56 administrator ok lets forget it.. my friend can help. or our admin 18:56 jcamins Your network administrator will know how to deal with it, though. 18:55 jcamins ^^ I use the Postfix mail server, and those are instructions for setting it up. 18:55 wahanui postfix is probably found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html 18:55 jcamins postfix? 18:55 administrator My friend is an apache expert.. what program does this run 18:55 mtompset Seriously... ignore that problem. Let the thread dangle. The sweater must exist. :) 18:55 administrator ohh..ok.. 18:55 mtompset The problem is configuring email under Ubuntu. 18:54 mtompset NO! 18:54 administrator shall i reinstall ubuntu and lose my bookmarks you just gave me? 18:54 mtompset Let the thread dangle. 18:54 mtompset You pull the thread, and the sweater is no more. 18:54 mtompset because it will be like a sweater with a loose thread. 18:53 mtompset you don't want to do that. 18:53 administrator the mail thing.. the first pop up boxes before the koha installs itself 18:53 wahanui mtompset: I forgot undo 18:53 mtompset wahanui: forget undo 18:53 wahanui undo is not included in paul_p's proposal. 18:53 mtompset undo what? 18:53 administrator control z 18:52 administrator how to undo? 18:52 mtompset nope, because I don't know how to. :) 18:52 administrator what does it entail 18:52 administrator laugh.. but really .. can we do it now 18:51 mtompset Then, in 6 months, bug your network administrator to fix the mail on your koha machine. :P 18:51 administrator 6 months 18:51 administrator far future 18:51 administrator maybe in the future 18:50 mtompset Are you planning on emailing out overdue notices? 18:50 administrator reinstall? 18:50 administrator oops.. 18:50 mtompset You just need to be consistent in using dhamma-pc everywhere. 18:50 administrator what about our mail server.. no prob right? 18:49 mtompset No. 18:49 administrator do we need .com or .org 18:49 wahanui now is good time with holidays coming up 18:49 administrator now what 18:49 tcohen yes 18:49 administrator dhamma-pc is our dns 18:49 mtompset The commands wiki page, tcohen? 18:49 tcohen it should get updated mtompset, but its quite useful! 18:48 administrator we got a dns 18:48 administrator :) 18:48 administrator I just hope I dont need to reinstall ubuntu again .. and lose my bookmarks 18:47 mtompset Another useful page to keep bookmarked. 18:47 administrator hey.. that's a cool 18:47 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-remove 18:47 mtompset if you mess up the koha-create and create something you shouldn't have, use koha-remove. 18:47 administrator jenkins: does that mean I downloaded a loser 18:46 administrator got that right :) 18:46 mtompset administrator: do not go deleting things that you don't understand. 18:46 administrator does that mean I downloaded a loser 18:45 administrator it was just a username :) 18:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1213: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1213/ 18:45 administrator is there a way to restart if I screw up.. I tried to remove the pkgs but it did not work. I removed teh koha dir and mysql dir and that was not good enough to restart 18:45 mtompset sounds like you had an almost working koha and you broke it really well. :) 18:44 administrator apache died 18:44 mtompset when you type koha-create it creates them. 18:44 administrator :( 18:44 administrator when I deleted them.. poof 18:44 mtompset exactly. 18:44 administrator what are the users.. I think khha create does them.. I had a 2 extra users because I typed the command twice 18:44 mtompset Okay, there only really need to be three users on the machine: root, yours, and library-koha (assuming you create an instance call 'library') 18:43 administrator we were so close then 18:42 administrator I deleted them once and it fried 18:42 wahanui mtompset: I forgot another thing 18:42 mtompset wahanui: forget another thing 18:42 administrator The users on ubuntu.. what is that? 18:42 wahanui another thing is different 18:42 administrator another thing. 18:42 administrator yah anything is possible if you have time and money (my favorite quote as a lay person) 18:42 mtompset It is best to set it up correctly the first time. 18:41 mtompset but it is possible. 18:41 administrator ok 18:41 mtompset you can't, because it is too difficult to describe how. 18:41 administrator can we change that later? 18:40 administrator once we are there.. we are golden 18:40 administrator getting to the webinstaller was difficult 18:40 mtompset That does not mean anything for koha. 18:40 mtompset That means you have apache2 set up. 18:40 mtompset Now, if you don't want to wait for the administrator... you CAN change the port for INTRAPORT to 8080 (for example), and then you don't need a name. 18:40 administrator When I got halfway successed.. the apache said.. "success it worked" 18:39 administrator another question .. 18:39 administrator I guess that means yes (way above me) 18:39 mtompset that is what those prefix and suffix values are about. 18:38 mtompset that is a DNS thing, in that the DNS will set up a name that you can use to access it, and the name will distinguish between staff client and OPAC. 18:38 administrator ? 18:37 administrator how to get it to work with out the ports.. or is that the dns thing 18:37 administrator in the mean time.. 18:37 mtompset he will tell you the value for domain. 18:37 administrator i'm waiting on my friend as we speak. 18:37 mtompset he will tell you the value for domainname. 18:37 mtompset like I said, before you do the next step... you need to talk with your network administrator. 18:37 administrator we are far away from mail.. a small monastery with 2k books maybe 18:36 mtompset Don't worry about mail. 18:36 administrator no prob... 18:36 mtompset okay, the librarypc thing you typed... does not affect koha, except in that you probably configured mail incorrectly now. 18:36 administrator ;) 18:36 administrator shall I apt-get remove.. I bet that won't let me start allover 18:35 administrator yup finished 18:35 mtompset which is in a blue box (your browser may make it another colour) 18:35 administrator yup.. maybe finished.. let me check 18:34 mtompset so you are in the midst of "sudo apt-get install koha-common" 18:34 administrator ok..that's what im using 18:34 administrator http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 18:34 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 18:34 administrator from my link.. am i on the right instructions 18:34 mtompset not as part of the install. 18:34 mtompset in the web browser. 18:33 mtompset I meant blue boxes in the instructions. 18:33 administrator ok 18:33 administrator it does not say this in the blue boxes :) 18:33 mtompset Again, this is why your network administrator should set this up. 18:33 administrator yah 18:33 mtompset Yes, and it probably asked about MySQL too. 18:33 administrator then it installs 18:33 administrator a few boxes come up 18:33 administrator yah.. its the first box that comes up 18:32 mtompset nullmailer? 18:32 mtompset What package was koha-common setting up? 18:32 mtompset Oh, no... this is why you need to READ. 18:32 administrator is that a problem now 18:32 administrator hmm.. koha common just asked me for a name I used librarypc 18:32 mtompset so "sudo koha-create --create-db library" 18:31 administrator I appreciate your help.. we don't want to do the lbuntu cd 18:31 mtompset where you change instance name to the part of the machine's name, and it needs to match what the DNS entry for the network says. 18:31 administrator he will ask now 18:31 administrator ok my friend is running now... 18:30 administrator sudo koha-create --create-db instancename 18:30 mtompset and library-intra.<whatever the network administrator tells you> for the Staff client. 18:30 mtompset for the OPAC client. 18:30 mtompset so it will be library.<whatever the network administrator tells you> 18:29 mtompset you know that you are going to koha-create... library... (can't recall the command right now) 18:29 administrator what name shoudl we ask for .. we can do it now. 18:29 mtompset I'm not sure what you are asking. 18:29 administrator ok.. 18:29 mtompset because that's going to be part of the setup. 18:28 administrator was this the problem instead of the computername 18:28 administrator then what 18:28 mtompset And then you should ask him... what to fill in for the domain name. 18:28 administrator for a name.. that can't cost much (in favors) 18:28 administrator ok we will ask 18:27 mtompset The problem with this solution is... you will need to tweak every single hosts file for all the machine that will access koha. The better solution is to get some DNS entry set up by the network administrator. 18:27 administrator everyone is leaving.. sorry 18:26 tcohen bye oleo 18:26 mtompset Now, there are multiple ways to solve this, the quick and dirty way is to just follow the blue boxes in the instructions (making sure to read the instructions around to see if the blue box applies). 18:26 oleonard Bye #koha 18:26 administrator we have one main computer to run koha and this will be used for people .. clients patrons to use 18:25 administrator ok 18:25 mtompset we haven't gotten a full understanding of your network layout and how you are attempting to use it yet. 18:25 mtompset WAIT! 18:25 administrator do I put the computer name in the dns box or just leave that file empty 18:25 administrator ok. . that problem is finished.. 18:24 mtompset Well, then you are set! 18:24 administrator I think i was confused.. the answer is no internet needed 18:24 mtompset your machine has a static/fixed ip address on the lan? 18:24 administrator fixed ip.. 18:24 administrator static 18:24 mtompset The problem is a lan usually is set up to use DHCP and not necessarily static IP addresses. 18:23 mtompset wait... I haven't gotten there yet, administrator. 18:23 administrator what do we need to ask? 18:23 administrator what do I put in teh domain name 18:23 mtompset okay... you will need to talk to your network administrator then. Sorry. 18:23 administrator 94% 18:23 administrator almost finished.. 92% 18:22 administrator no or not in the close future 18:22 tcohen so koha-common hasn't downloaded yet administrator? 18:22 administrator yes.. but we will have other machines searching on the lan 18:22 mtompset that's fine... but are you expecting someone to access it over the internet to search your library? 18:22 administrator koha common is 87% finished 18:21 mtompset okay... desktop. So, you plan on using this on this machine only? 18:21 administrator desktop 18:21 administrator 13.04 18:21 administrator it works if we can just get it to work 18:21 mtompset Okay, which version of ubuntu did you install? server or desktop? 18:21 administrator we have a cheap pc 18:20 administrator he does not like this project.. because he wants a bsd server 18:20 administrator heee hee 18:20 * mtompset chuckles, "Aren't all of them?" 18:19 administrator we do.. sort of..he is well.. difficult 18:19 mtompset Step back from the contents of that paste, and tell me if you have a system administrator or network administrator to help you, administrator? 18:19 administrator is that right 18:18 administrator http://paste.koha-community.org/31?tx=on&submit=Format+it! 18:18 mtompset But the question is, administrator, do you have a network or system administrator to talk to? 18:18 mtompset If you follow the blue boxes in the instructions without changing anything, you should get a working library.framisdooby.org and library-intra.framisdooby.org machine working. 18:18 pastebot "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "file listed in instructions" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/31 18:18 gaetan_B bye ! 18:17 mtompset That way you don't flood the channel with your cut and pastes. 18:17 wahanui paste is probably found at http://paste.koha-community.org 18:17 mtompset paste? 18:17 administrator clean 18:17 mtompset administrator: please use the paste site. 18:16 administrator I did the updates 18:16 administrator I installed ubuntu 18:16 administrator ZEBRA_LANGUAGE="en" # Primary language for Zebra indexing. Possible values are 'en', 'fr' and 'nb' 18:16 administrator ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT="marc21" # Specifies format of MARC records to be indexed by Zebra. Possible values are 'marc21', 'normarc' and 'unimarc' 18:16 administrator OPACSUFFIX="" # For users' interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name. 18:16 administrator OPACPREFIX="" # For users' interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name. 18:16 administrator OPACPORT="80" # TCP listening port for the users' interface (if you skip this, the apache default of 80 will be used) 18:16 administrator DEFAULTSQL="/usr/share/koha/defaults.sql.gz" # only needed if you're pre-populating from another Koha database 18:16 administrator INTRASUFFIX="-intra" # For administration interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name. 18:16 administrator INTRAPREFIX="" # For administration interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name. 18:16 administrator INTRAPORT="80" # TCP listening port for the administration interface 18:16 administrator DOMAIN=".mydomain.co.nz" # Any library instance will be a subdomain of this string. 18:16 administrator IF my computer name is LibraryPC what do I put in this for the domain name (LAN only for now) 18:16 mtompset (and not debian) 18:16 mtompset you have installed Ubuntu, correct? 18:15 mtompset administrator: so what steps have you done so far? I'm looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 18:15 jcamins administrator: ignore everything about YUI, that is a separate conversation happening at the same time. 18:15 administrator koha-common is 50% finished now.. 18:15 mtompset administrator: You will need to sort through multiple conversations on the channel at once. 18:14 administrator i'm confused 18:14 jcamins *that 18:14 jcamins administrator: tht was for liw, not you. Nothing to worry about. 18:14 tcohen as squeeze and wheeze don't share the same version/patchset 18:14 oleonard yui is unrelated to your problem. Different topic. 18:13 tcohen i was exposing my fear that not shiping our own might be cause of problems 18:13 liw jcamins, ah... that'd be because Debian frowns upon embedded code copies (it make security updates harder); since Koha isn't getting uploaded into Debian, it's OK for Koha to embed its own copy of YUI 18:13 wahanui yui is BSD license, according to Home › About Koha › Licenses 18:13 administrator what is yui 18:13 administrator but I just use that for the repository stuff 18:13 mtompset okay... 18:13 administrator i also use http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze 18:12 jcamins liw: we were discussing why the packages use the system version of YUI. 18:12 mtompset Yes, that's likely his problem, jcamins. 18:12 administrator http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 18:12 jcamins administrator: are you using the IP address to access Apache? 18:12 administrator hold on 18:12 mtompset That sounds like your apache server isn't configured to point at koha yet. 18:12 jcamins Default Apache. 18:12 administrator I once got it to work.. but I had to use a different port 8080 I'm not sure if I can remember how to do that. also I created a few users by mistake with koha create and when I deleted them.. pooff broken again! 18:11 mtompset it worked? 18:11 liw or summoned 18:11 * liw has been invoked? 18:11 oleonard Installing from packages? Which instructions are you following? 18:11 administrator then problems happen 18:10 administrator i do the instructions and I get "it worked" 18:10 administrator I am on koha squeeze ubuntu 13.04 18:10 administrator first.. I'm a monk.. sadhu (thanks) for your help in the dharma! 18:09 administrator many 18:09 pianohacker administrator: sure, what's your problem? 18:09 administrator hey.. I'm on my third time installing .. can u help 18:08 oleonard administrator: Yes, just like the topic says. 18:08 administrator is anyone here 18:08 administrator is this koha channel 18:08 mtompset Nice map, oleonard. 18:05 tcohen ok, Lars Wirzenius 18:02 druthb In Redneckistan. 18:02 druthb it's an easy one…see all the red areas on that map? that's where it's "whooper." 18:01 oleonard We need one of these for "whooper" vs. "whipper" http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/popvssodamap.gif 18:00 druthb :P 18:00 mtompset Harder to google for, druthb. 17:59 druthb oleonard: I'm from Redneckistan. Whooper. 17:59 * mtompset nods, "It's Whipper." 17:58 oleonard "whooper?!" Whipper! 17:58 pianohacker hahaha, it was something random and weird 17:58 tcohen Leisure Industry Week 17:58 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 17:58 druthb wahanui: druthb? 17:58 mtompset Still true! 17:58 wahanui you are disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. 17:58 mtompset wahanui: mtompset? 17:58 druthb pianohacker is a brilliant young whooper-snapper. 17:58 oleonard pianohacker was gone so long wahanui forgot him. 17:57 druthb ! 17:57 wahanui i haven't a clue, druthb 17:57 druthb wahanui: pianohacker? 17:57 mtompset tcohen: Debian-ist. :P 17:56 pianohacker ... I have no idea why I put jcamins: there. assuming you did something funny 17:56 pianohacker jcamins: bahahaha 17:55 gmcharlt :) 17:54 wahanui BACKUPS ARE AWESOME! 17:54 tcohen liw? 17:54 tcohen *but* that won't go into 3.12 for now 17:54 jcamins tcohen: you should ask liw about that. 17:54 jcamins oleonard++ 17:54 tcohen heh 17:54 * oleonard gives basket groups the evil eye 17:54 gmcharlt heh 17:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9779 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove global include of YUI assets from the staff client 17:53 oleonard Speaking of YUI, time to submit a patch for Bug 9779 17:53 tcohen I belive we should ship our own and use that one anyway. we QA against the one we ship 17:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:49 tcohen i guess i'll ask a Debian-er to do it :-P 17:48 jcamins You'll just have to try it, I think. 17:47 tcohen i raise this issue as we are about to support wheeze if i'm not mistaken 17:47 jcamins maximep: so with YUI 2.9 you get a huge message filling your entire window saying "IE SUCKS! USE A REAL BROWSER!"? 17:46 tcohen this is the changelog http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/wiki/ReadMe/Rollup_2.9.0 17:46 maximep should be all fixes 17:45 maximep iirc yui 2.9 fixes tons of stuff for ie9 17:40 tcohen i wrote it wrong, it was 2.8 and 2.9, sorry 17:40 jcamins tcohen: well, Koha includes version 2.8.0r4, and since we know the packages work fine under Squeeze, I think we can probably safely assume there were no changes between 1.8 and 2.8. 17:39 oleonard Those don't seem to line up with YUI version numbers 17:38 tcohen versions of libjs-yui I mean 17:38 tcohen those are the versions shipped with squeeze and wheeze respectively 17:37 oleonard Why those versions tcohen? 17:34 oleonard No idea 17:33 tcohen oleonard: do u know of any important change between YUI 1.8 and 1.9? 17:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #1213 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1210 1 day 1 hr ago) 17:30 jcamins Right. 17:29 tcohen as long as there are no API changes between the shiped versions everything is fine 17:25 jcamins tcohen: with other Debian packages. 17:25 tcohen do they even match the one from the tarball? 17:25 tcohen will the wheeze version match squeeze's? 17:25 tcohen consistency with what jcamins? 17:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10350 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table 17:24 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10350 - Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table 17:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1212: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1212/ 17:22 pianohacker nooooooo 17:22 wahanui it has been said that consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. 17:22 jcamins consistency? 17:22 pianohacker D: 17:22 wahanui OK, jcamins. 17:22 jcamins wahanui: consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. 17:22 wahanui jcamins: I forgot consistency 17:22 jcamins wahanui: forget consistency 17:22 wahanui consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier. 17:22 jcamins consistency? 17:22 wahanui ...but consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier.... 17:22 jcamins wahanui: no, consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. 17:21 wahanui consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier. 17:21 gmcharlt consistency? 17:21 wahanui ...but consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier.... 17:21 gmcharlt wahanui: consistency is the hobgoblin of programmer's minds 17:19 wahanui i think consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier. 17:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , item-level_itype checks need to be refactored 17:19 jcamins tcohen: consistency. 17:19 * gmcharlt would appreciate comments on bug 10385 17:18 pianohacker old ie mostly, but the new one could turn on us at any moment 17:18 pianohacker ie-- 17:18 druthb ie-- 17:18 druthb pianohacker++ 17:17 pianohacker oleonard: This is probably the best though: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/49501668537/testing-interface-on-internet-explorer 17:12 * tcohen is thinking what is the benefit of using packaged javascript libraries instead of those shipped with koha in .deb packages 17:05 pianohacker oh god, so true. that gif is best with "Sail" though 17:02 talljoy HAHAHA! that describes my day today!!! 17:01 druthb talljoy: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/49078186169/go-live-day 17:00 * oleonard retitles, "After delving into Search.pm" 17:00 * oleonard digs the Heathers quote: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/50331609882/after-6-hours-at-the-data-center 17:00 druthb yes. There's an even better one, a few pages in, "Initial Git Training." 16:59 pianohacker I could watch that git gif all day, that's mesmerizing 16:55 druthb That tumblr is full of good ones. 16:54 oleonard :D 16:54 druthb oleonard: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/49667540079/trying-to-fix-someone-elses-css 16:52 druthb http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/50800607139/how-an-svn-user-sees-git-workflow 16:43 chris_n khall++ #Rolling Hard Due Dates 16:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #1212 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1210 1 day 0 hr ago) 16:10 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10350 - Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd9d643705b5bb0134ee229a076130a966be23bd> 15:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10326 minor, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , bulkmarcimport.pl turns off CataloguingLog sys pref 15:53 jenkins_koha Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10326: bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't restore value of CataloguingLog syspref 15:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1211: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1211/ 15:24 reiveune bye 15:10 wahanui hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 15:10 pianohacker hey oleonard 15:04 oleonard Hi pianohacker 15:03 pianohacker good morning 14:54 jcamins gmcharlt: the trick is to make me encounter the bugs while working as opposed to while faffing around. 14:54 adam_m gmcharlt: excellent, you guys are awesome 14:53 * gmcharlt makes sure jcamins encounters ALL THE BUGS 14:53 gmcharlt adam_m: yes, you can 14:53 jcamins talljoy: ^^ whoops, wrong window 14:53 jcamins Or, of course, you could fix whatever underlying bug you're encountering, which is what I usually do when I encounter a bug. 14:53 adam_m gmcharlt: also does this allow me to assign some sort of default password this way 14:53 gmcharlt yes -- if you go to the patron import tool, it includes a list of headers on its first screen 14:52 adam_m gmcharlt: as for the other information, I'll need to enter the user name and other data like that, is there a list of headers somewhere 14:52 gmcharlt yep, sounds right 14:51 adam_m right ok, so in my case ill just use STUDENT or STAFF 14:49 gmcharlt the category code 14:49 adam_m gmcharlt: alright so i opened up libreoffice, so in the first cell i have the categorycode, so for each profile im creating under that i need to list what exactly? would it just be the name i had used for the profile category? 14:47 adam_m ok 14:47 gmcharlt then "export" or "save as" CSV 14:46 gmcharlt one easy way to do it is to enter the data into a spreadsheet 14:46 adam_m gmcharlt: haha, ok well I'm not sure how to start with this. First I need to know how to actually create a CSV file, can I just do that with gedit or something. 14:44 gmcharlt so if your file contains patrons that all go to the same category, you can set the default there 14:44 gmcharlt the patron import tool lets you (from its form) set default values for fields you don't include in teh CSV 14:43 gmcharlt alternatively... 14:43 gmcharlt subseqent lines (containing the patron records) would start with the code of the patron category you wanted assigned to each patron 14:43 gmcharlt first line wwould start with "categorycode" 14:42 gmcharlt so let's say you make the patron category the first column (order doesn't) matter 14:42 gmcharlt so the first line of the CSV file should be a header listing the fields you want to populate for the patrons you're loading 14:42 gmcharlt ah, OK 14:42 adam_m gmcharlt: i mean importing a batch of patrons for a category I've already created. 14:41 jcamins adam_m: but where is the data coming from? 14:41 gmcharlt what do you mean by profiles? patron categories? staff users? staff user permissions? 14:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #1211 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:40 adam_m gmcharlt: I've set everything up and added a few profiles already, I just want to see if i can add a bunch of profiles all at once rather than having to go through everything one at a time, even though I know ill need to set up passwords for everything later 14:38 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10326: bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't restore value of CataloguingLog syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d0284096708a65954c7e35a093cfdb727a6bb84> 14:38 gmcharlt adam_m: what's your starting point for the patron data? 14:38 adam_m gmcharlt: alright, so how does one go about creating a CSV file with profiles 14:34 jcamins paul_p: I prefer to imagine that you are descended from an important Corinthian dynasty. :) 14:33 paul_p jcamins = in french = "poulain" = "young horse" 14:33 jcamins paul_p: There's a book here on Les Poulains de Corinthe. :D 14:33 adam_m gmcharlt: thanks 14:32 gmcharlt it takes a CSV file as input 14:31 gmcharlt adam_m: I prefer to keep the suers out ;) seriously, there's a patron import tool available on the Tools page 14:30 adam_m users* 14:30 adam_m Hello, does anyone know of a way to bulk upload suers 14:29 * oleonard crosses his fingers 14:29 jcamins The latest patch works for me. 14:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons 14:29 jcamins oleonard: bug 8662? 14:28 * oleonard tries again 14:27 huginn` druthb: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010) 14:27 druthb @quote random 14:27 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #146: "rangi: when I was at brendans house we went to the farmers market and bought lots of almonds which I had to eat on the plane, cos can't bringthem into nz, so I was offering ppl nuts on the plane. cait: makes sense rangi: if its sensible for a crazy nzer to be waving almonds in ur face at 3am, then yes" (added by wizzyrea at 08:03 PM, July 28, 2011) 14:27 gmcharlt @quote random 14:26 oleonard I guess I didn't rebase before re-uploading yesterday 14:19 jcamins (after running `git rebase origin/master`) 14:18 jcamins oleonard: right, but did you reupload the patch? 14:16 oleonard jcamins: I created a new branch based on master and used git-bz to apply the patch. It applied with not problem. Rebasing works. 14:14 jcamins Your repo is probably the only one with the needed deltas. 14:13 jcamins (and then a reupload) 14:13 jcamins oleonard: did you do a rebase after applying? 14:09 * oleonard grumbles 14:08 Joubu oleonard: hum, weird. I just try again now and I get the same error. I asked to jajm and he got it too. 13:50 tcohen http://snag.gy/RlBL8.jpg 13:50 tcohen typed wrong twice :-D 13:48 tcohen http://snag.gy/RIBL8.jpg 13:48 tcohen heh http://sna.gy/RIBL8.jpg 13:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons 13:42 oleonard Joubu: I don't understand what's going on with Bug 8662. I can use git bz to apply the patch on a fresh branch and it works with no problem. 13:18 druthb "Ladies and gentlemen, the performance will continue in ten minutes' time, when the role of druthb will be performed by Grumpy Cat." 13:03 druthb Bah. It's still woefully short, by my thinkin'. But I managed to hit my stride on a couple of things, so I'm finally starting to feel productive. 13:02 oleonard Clear some space for the gold stars druthb 13:02 * druthb updates her accomplishments list—today is my 80-day evaluation at cPanel! 12:42 druthb :P 12:41 tcohen sorry, I don't belive you 12:38 druthb not this morning, I'm not. 12:37 tcohen speedy-druthb 12:37 druthb o/ 12:29 oleonard Hi tcohen, #koha 12:29 tcohen morning #koha 10:15 vfernandes one question people : migration from 3.0.6 to 3.12 is trivial (besides on update of items of 3.4)?? 10:13 vfernandes hi :) 09:17 cait and bye guess i should entertain my guests - one has started to wash yesterdays dishes 09:16 drojf hi rangi and cait 09:16 cait hi drojf 09:16 rangi hi drojf 09:15 drojf hi #koha 07:29 gaetan_B hello 07:13 asaurat hi 07:11 samueld hi everybody 07:04 talljoy must be morning at biblibre! bonjour! 06:46 reiveune hello 04:33 tweetbot [off] twitter: @Tredok: "Ce matin, combo hit x3 : intro veille, outils acquéreurs (Zotero, LibX et MarcEdit), puis rappels sur le module acquisition #KohaILS" 04:25 mtj ^^ ohh, that link was actually from dcook++ 04:17 dcook [off] I'm going to be glad to be done this current project so I can go back to working on Koha... 04:08 eythian though, most of them are pretty rubbish if I'm being honest. 04:08 eythian plenty more where that came from, I have a whole internet worth of links! 04:08 mtj …and thanks heeps for the link eythian++ :D 03:59 mtj anyhoo, i'm really very happy to find that info - so not complaining here 03:59 gmcharlt (i.e., I will happily take that ;) ) 03:58 gmcharlt eh, that's pretty friendly 03:57 mtj the goofy thing is.. loc could easily dump that info in a much more user-friendly format, but frustratingly dont?! :/ 03:55 mtj yeah, i think so too 03:55 gmcharlt mtj: yeah, that looks as good as it gets -- and actually, wouldn't be hard at all to write a parser for that 03:54 gmcharlt figured as much 03:53 eythian easy fix 03:53 eythian gmcharlt: the conflict is in the perldoc :) 03:52 eythian also, I want to get this patch in 03:52 eythian no, then it'll just sit there and fester 03:52 mtj afaict, this is about the best marc21 spec, loc have -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html 03:51 gmcharlt seriously, it can, of course, wait 03:51 * gmcharlt avoids temptation to set *all* bugs to patch does not apply ;) 03:50 dcook Not cool huginn 03:50 dcook Murrrr 03:50 gmcharlt eythian: oh dear, I didn't realize that being RM now came with such powers of insistence 03:50 huginn` dcook: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 03:50 dcook @quote add eythian: I think it's a case of when all you have is marc, everything looks like a catalogue record. 03:49 wizzyrea I drink your milkshake? 03:49 dcook eythian++ 03:49 eythian there will be problems 03:49 trea if eythian gets too much blood in his beer stream, disaster will ensue. 03:48 eythian gmcharlt: it's improper that you should make me fix things to close to beer o'clock 03:46 trea sounds about right 03:45 eythian I think it's a case of when all you have is marc, everything looks like a catalogue record. 03:45 trea ^ 03:45 rangi all your base are belong to memes 03:45 eythian trea: so, the .eLM software uses the marc structure to store all its data, such as borrowers. 03:45 trea i was a hipster before it was cool 03:45 wizzyrea an* even 03:45 rangi :) 03:45 wizzyrea you're and anti-hipster. 03:44 trea i just wait till the memes have fallen out of favor, then start using them. it's completely deliberate. 03:44 wizzyrea it's the twenteens version of "not" 03:44 wizzyrea ^.^ 03:43 rangi https://twitter.com/mjgiarlo/status/340305423972331520 03:43 wahanui i already had it that way, trea. 03:43 trea wahanui use more marc is <reply> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3unp1l/ 03:43 trea use more marc is <reply> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3unp1l/ 03:43 wizzyrea I love those said no one ever memes. 03:41 rangi never really caught on tho 03:41 rangi mods is a zillion times more sane 03:40 dcook Maybe it's my lack of familiarity with MODS, but those schemas look quite nice...http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/mods-schemas.html 03:39 trea <saidnooneever>we should use more marc</saidnooneever> 03:38 cjh wer... close enough. 03:38 cjh there wer are, ty 03:38 wizzyrea j/k, I'm not really getting pulled over. 03:38 dcook O_o 03:38 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 03:38 wizzyrea we should use more marc 03:38 wizzyrea CAN'T TALK I'M GETTING PULLED OVER 03:38 cjh more marc? 03:38 cjh use more marc? 03:37 wizzyrea oh 03:37 cjh oh god. 03:37 dcook wizzyrea: marc...death...stuff 03:37 wahanui wot is d diff btw Staff client interface and OPAC 03:37 wizzyrea wot? 03:37 dcook It hasn't been updated in 5 years 03:37 * dcook shrugs 03:36 mtj hmm, that marcxml page looks promising tho 03:36 dcook Hmm, where's wizzyrea when you need her.. 03:36 wahanui marc is the standard that isn't 03:36 dcook marc? 03:36 wahanui The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here. 03:36 dcook marc? 03:36 wahanui hmmm... marc is the standard that isn't 03:36 dcook marc? 03:33 dcook Looks like that file is only good up to...2008 03:32 dcook http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/mrcbxmlfile.dtd 03:27 mtj and the current marc21 spec is 'Update No. 16 (April 2013)' 03:26 mtj koha's framework was created around nov 2007, so a safe assumption is that koha's marc21 version is 'Update No. 8 (October 2007)' 03:24 dcook I suppose someone could write a processor for this plain text...but that's rather suboptimal 03:21 dcook "This document lists all valid and obsolete data elements that may appear in MARC 21 bibliographic records. It is intended to meet the need for a simple data element list to support MARC system development and online validation of MARC data elements. This listing does not include any descriptions or examples of MARC data elements. Descriptions and examples can be found in the MARC 21 Format for Bibliographic Data." 03:21 dcook Mmm, ish 03:21 dcook And that's a plain text version of what we'd like 03:21 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html 03:20 eythian http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html <-- from here 03:20 dcook Neato 03:20 dcook mtj: Ahhhh! That's totally what I was talking about. 03:20 eythian http://www.loc.gov/marc/languages/ <-- dcook 03:20 mtj … i think thats about as good as it gets 03:19 eythian they're linked from whereever the marc spec explains the need for them 03:19 mtj dcook, aah, here we go! -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html 03:19 dcook Where are the language code, etc. XML? 03:18 gmcharlt language codes and the like being available as XML is (relatively) recent 03:17 * gmcharlt suspects that there have been over _2 decades_ worth of ILS vendors and projects asking LC to put the tag, subfield, and value lists in a structured format 03:17 mtj dcook, actually - i might be wrong there :/ 03:16 eythian like the language codes that MARC uses 03:16 eythian they publish everything else in XML 03:16 gmcharlt eythian: your sense of optimism reflected in that statement is refreshing :) 03:15 eythian I'm surprised the MARC21 spec isn't published as XML that we can use to make framewords straight from 03:14 dcook Yeah, that is pretty handy 03:14 gmcharlt yep 03:14 dcook That bit at the bottom? 03:14 gmcharlt to be fair, the LC website does include some change log info on the pages themseves 03:14 dcook gmcharlt: That sounds horrible 03:14 dcook mtj: Oh? 03:13 gmcharlt the way back machine? 03:13 mtj dcook, there are, sort of…. 03:13 dcook I just wonder if there are update digests where a person can see incrementally how the spec has changed over time 03:13 dcook gmcharlt: Right, but it would be a royal pain to go through every entry 03:13 gmcharlt dcook: well, short of whatever LC uses internally, it's not going to get more authoritative than the LC website 03:12 mtj i'm thinking it might be worth asking the Q, on the code4lib list 03:12 dcook As he's been updating the authority frameworks, and I would love to know what he's used as his source of information. It might just be the LoC site, but.. 03:12 gmcharlt sort of things where ultimately best thing would be for LC to do it 03:12 gmcharlt I'm not aware of anything better than that 03:12 dcook Might not be a bad idea to ask bkriegel 03:12 dcook mtj: I've been wondering about this too 03:11 mtj …other than scraping the loc website 03:11 mtj im curious whether anyone has a machine readable version of the spec… yet 03:11 gmcharlt sure :) 03:10 mtj lol, ok… i just thought i'd ask, in case EG had a better method 03:09 gmcharlt pretty much 03:09 eythian ah, same as the Koha method then 03:09 gmcharlt mtj: effectively, wait until there is a sufficient dull roar of complaints that the tag list is too out of date :/ 03:08 mtj gmcharlt, how do the #evergreen peeps track marc21 updates? 03:07 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #203: "francharb: oh god… it's complicated" (added by wizzyrea at 03:48 PM, May 08, 2012) 03:07 wizzyrea @quote random 03:07 gmcharlt mtj: yep 03:06 mtj gmcharlt, still about? 02:44 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #223: "kf: ... which has opportunities for great power and wizardry as well as grande disaster." (added by druthb at 02:06 PM, December 12, 2012) 02:44 wizzyrea @quote random 02:44 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #48: "<sekjal> no, anything I said was my fault" (added by jwagner at 09:52 PM, December 09, 2009) 02:44 wizzyrea @quote random 02:44 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009) 02:44 wizzyrea @quote random 02:43 dcook hehe 02:28 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!" (added by jwagner at 04:32 PM, August 19, 2010) 02:28 gmcharlt @quote random 00:44 dcook "What are you doing, Dave?" 00:44 dcook http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Assistive_Limb 00:42 dcook Hmm, I suppose you cook it then crack it open? 00:41 mtj …a remote bush tribe, somewhere in papua new guinea, i think 00:35 mtj i remember as a kid, seeing nat-geo pics of people roasting huge hairy spiders wrapped in a big leaf, over a fire 00:27 dcook Personally, I'd like to try out snake 00:27 dcook Despite that whole eating spiders in your sleep thing 00:27 dcook Spiders? I never thought of that 00:25 mtj but insects and spiders… yum! 00:24 mtj ive always been squeamish about seafood, since i was a kid... :) 00:21 dcook Some people love their fish though? 00:21 dcook Hmm, I thought that might be the case 00:21 mtj dcook, yep… very sarcastic! 00:20 dcook mtj: I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not :p 00:16 dcook Open source the law! 00:16 dcook Rather neat idea to provide a community forum for legal experts. Again, it wouldn't be "official" or legal legal advice, but...definitely would help people out 00:15 dcook Unfortunately, Canlii is still not an "official" source of the law, so you can't use anything you find in court (if I recall correctly), but it is a rather wonderful site for finding out the law (and then you go to the authoritative source which is identical anyway) 00:14 dcook This -> http://www.canlii.ca/en/blog/index.php?%2Farchives%2F87-Request-for-Proposal-RFP-CanLII-Community-website.html 00:14 mtj i'll give up anchovies and sardines 00:10 dcook I don't smoke but giving up vanilla coke and chocolate...perhaps I see where they're coming from... 00:09 dcook Interesting campaign in NSW to stop smoking...the idea is that loved ones also pledge to quit something if you quit smoking