Time Nick Message 23:14 pianohacker worked well, thanks 23:13 jcamins pianohacker: PMed 23:09 pianohacker cool, thanks! 23:09 jcamins pianohacker: yeah, one moment and I'll give you one. 23:08 pianohacker jcamins: this is interesting. do you have a demo login/password? 23:06 jcamins pianohacker: I'm hoping Shari will agree to rewrite the text. :) 23:05 drojf meh, it's not even a word processor 23:04 pianohacker ...? "there are only two first-order entities: records, and records and record collections" 23:04 rangi cool 23:03 * jcamins stole the idea from your description of how history.txt could be displayed in the About page. 23:01 jcamins Oh, rangi, did I show you what I did with the docs? http://demo.biblionarrator.com/about <-- the three buttons on the controlbar are loading the three files in /docs 23:01 anotherPeter rangi: thanks, i had failed to specify the branch name after git reset --hard, now fixed 22:59 pianohacker I'm a fan of the history file, I just like how little... documentation ends up in the docs folders 22:58 pianohacker hah! that qualifies 22:57 jcamins (actually, it's not empty, but still) 22:57 jcamins pianohacker: bibionarrator? :P It's a nice empty directory. 22:56 rangi anotherPeter: hmm what does git status tell you? 22:56 rangi im not sure of any others that maintain their own history file pianohacker 22:55 pianohacker ... is there any open-source project that has a docs directory that's much besides a text junk drawer? 22:55 anotherPeter but still, i cannot get it to stomp all over my local files 22:55 rangi anotherPeter: the reason we are fixing these now is there is a patch floating around for showing the history on the about page in Koha, so more eyes :) 22:55 anotherPeter i am trying to update my git, and have done git fetch, tried git merge origin/master, and git reset --hard 22:54 rangi :) 22:54 rangi line 14 has one too 22:54 rangi theres a bunch there 22:54 anotherPeter so a newbie question from me this time 22:54 anotherPeter that was the one I'd assumed you meant 22:54 anotherPeter rangi: thanks, the change we had so far was sleepness 22:53 rangi no that's the name of a real award, crazy eh 22:52 rangi :) 22:52 jcamins And I can't tell if there's an error on line 18. 22:52 jcamins Or the typo on 20. 22:51 jcamins Presumably you had in mind the typo on line 7 rather than 6. 22:48 jcamins I see several problems with the early entries. 22:48 rangi ill see if someone can find that one :) 22:47 rangi theres another typo between line one and line 21 too 22:47 jcamins rangi: I think anotherPeter already assigned that patch. :) 22:47 rangi its saying award, it should be a release 22:47 rangi line 21 of docs/history.txt 22:47 rangi anotherPeter: really easy one 22:39 wahanui hmmm... want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help 22:39 rangi want to help? 22:39 rangi want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help 22:39 rangi yeah 22:39 jcamins I think it's the "I" 22:39 rangi hmm weird 22:39 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 22:39 rangi we should use more marc 22:38 jcamins what? 22:38 jcamins what is I want to help? 22:38 wahanui drojf: excuse me? 22:38 drojf no cookies for you, wahanui 22:38 drojf i want to help? 22:38 drojf i want to help 22:38 wahanui i already had it that way, jcamins. 22:38 jcamins wahanui: \I want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help 22:38 jsangalli thanks, ill read the page :) 22:37 wahanui jcamins: no idea 22:37 jcamins wahanui: I want to help? 22:37 jcamins I want to help? 22:37 wahanui i already had it that way, jcamins. 22:37 jcamins I want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help 22:37 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help 22:37 jcamins jsangalli: one moment, there's a page with a list. 22:37 jcamins Projects? 22:36 jcamins Getting started? 22:36 jcamins How to help? 22:36 jcamins I want to help? 22:36 jsangalli hey guys, do any of you know of some trivial problems to be solved by noobs? cheers 22:16 anotherPeter jcamins: in real life i am trapped in a mire of contract negotiation, so i must hack in my own time :-/ 22:15 anotherPeter jcamins: yep 22:15 jcamins anotherPeter: sorry, to clarify, I was wondering if you were the Peter I just added to the history a few weeks ago. :) 22:14 anotherPeter on rang1s suggestion i have one of them starting with a typo in history.txt 22:14 jcamins If not, welcome to #koha anyway, of course. :) 22:14 jcamins anotherPeter = new contributer Peter? If so, welcome to #koha! 22:14 anotherPeter (channel/project, both) 22:13 anotherPeter hi, a couple of novices will be joining soon, i'm helping them get started, so there will be lots of excruciating newbie chitchat 22:01 drojf that poor thing 22:00 drojf <!++ 21:59 huginn jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (812), "oleonard" (711), and "jcamins" (586). Lowest karma: "<!" (-116), "failed" (-103), and "ie" (-86). You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2514. 21:59 jcamins @karma 21:40 drojf i met him too and he did a very good job hiding his fishicity 21:39 jcamins He asked me not to tell anyone who didn't already know that he was a fish, but I guess the secret is out. 21:39 * jcamins met rangi in person. 21:38 rangi heh 21:38 drojf or that thing does not work 21:37 drojf rangi: accoding to the tile downloader, wellington is very small and only water. i suppose you are some sort of fish 21:37 jcamins Semolina is the starch. 21:37 jcamins Wait, got it backwards. 21:37 drojf :D 21:36 drojf jcamins: yay :/ 21:36 pianohacker ahh, okay, makes sense 21:36 jcamins drojf: it's the protein part. Basically just gluten. :P 21:35 drojf which is basically wheat? 21:35 jcamins Ooh... ever had cream of wheat? 21:35 jcamins It tastes like semolina. :P 21:34 pianohacker what's the taste of that like, vs wheat bread? 21:31 jcamins And regular semolina bread, when I'm not making pizza. 21:31 pianohacker ooh that sounds good 21:31 jcamins pianohacker: pizza dough! 21:31 pianohacker jcamins: what do you use semolina for, out of curiosity? 21:29 jcamins Horror! We are out of semolina flour! 21:29 cait good night all 21:14 wahanui pianohacker is younger, I think. 21:14 rhcl hey pianohacker 21:14 pianohacker rhcl: hi there 21:13 rhcl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealandia_%28continent%29 21:13 rhcl well, that's NZ's own fault for breaking away from Australia.... 21:12 rangi its still around 12 hours to thailand 21:11 rangi well australia is 4 hour flight 21:11 rhcl Me? I can visit Kansas, Iowa and Oklahoma with relative ease. 21:11 rangi nowhere is close to nz 21:11 rangi heh 21:11 rhcl Must be nice to live in NZ, where Thailand and Vietname are, like, just a few states away 21:10 rhcl must be nice to live in a European country where Greece is just, like, a few states away. 21:10 rangi yay lots of new unit tests 21:09 rangi enjoy your trip 21:09 rangi cya magnuse 21:09 magnuse oh well, i'm off - have fun #koha! 21:08 magnuse heh 21:07 rangi HATED olives the rest of his life though 21:07 magnuse aww, nice 21:07 rangi he still loved the place tho, and the people who helped him 21:07 magnuse heh, yeah 21:07 rangi but hard to get off an island 21:07 rangi he escaped 3 times 21:07 magnuse thanks cait 21:07 magnuse rangi: that was probably not so fun... 21:07 cait have a good time magnuse 21:07 magnuse yup, good decision :-) 21:07 rangi my great uncle was a pow on crete for 3 years 21:06 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (10:50 PM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 21:06 magnuse @wunder boo 21:06 magnuse yay! 21:06 rangi ohh cool 21:06 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Technical University of Crete, Chania, Greece is 17.5°C (12:01 AM EEST on May 25, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 21:06 magnuse @wunder chania 21:06 * magnuse goes to crete tomorrow 21:06 * magnuse needs some sleep 21:06 magnuse maybe send a mail to the lists about it? 21:06 rangi :) 21:05 magnuse thanks for being around at just the right time, rangi :-) 21:05 magnuse *exploded 21:05 magnuse phew, good thing nothing exploed 21:02 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:02 rangi @later tell eythian it looks like the 3.10.6 package is really still just 3.10.5 21:01 magnuse ok, i'll just wait for 3.10.06-2 then :-) 21:01 rangi yeah 21:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7054 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , NORMARC: wrong default for 000 position 17 21:01 magnuse a quick look for the changes made on bug 7054 confirms that 20:57 rangi itd be pretty impossible to build a package with only some of the commits since 3.10.5 20:57 magnuse ah yeah, guess that makes sense 20:57 rangi ie its just 3.10.5 20:57 rangi if the db changes arent there probably none of it is there 20:57 rangi magnuse: unlikely your code is out of sync 20:56 magnuse nope "E: Version '3.10.05-1' for 'koha-common' was not found" 20:53 magnuse hm, that means my code and db are not in sync... how to downgrade? "sudo apt-get install koha-common=3.10.05-1"? 20:52 magnuse s/mu/my/ 20:47 rangi right hmm we'll have to check with eythian 20:46 magnuse yeah, mu updatedatabase.pl has no updates after 3.10.05.000 20:46 rangi sorry 3.10.5 20:46 rangi it looks like the 3.10.6 is actually still 3.10.6 ? 20:46 magnuse when i look at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl the last version is 3.10.05.000 20:46 rangi but thats the not the source of your problem, thats just cosmetic 20:45 rangi yeah, it should be 3.10.06.000 20:45 magnuse last version there is 3.10.05.003 20:45 magnuse http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=96be1dc7c7f64e86ebcfa6562977c380a2674c7f;hb=refs/heads/3.10.x#l6249 20:43 rangi ill check 20:43 rangi hmm i might have missed the version hup 20:42 magnuse about says "3.10.05.000" after the upgrade 20:42 magnuse hm, something is not right with that upgrade 20:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations 20:40 magnuse rangi: bz says bug 10041 is pushed to stable - "Pushed to 3.10.x will be in 3.10.6" even - but i get "koha-translate: command not found" 20:36 * magnuse upgrades to 3.10.6 20:28 rangi heh 20:28 drojf hehe 20:27 gmcharlt ;) 20:27 gmcharlt rangi: STOP SOWING BUGS!!!! 20:27 drojf i wonder who came up with the idea that a smartphone should drop the wifi connection in standby… but use the data connection that needs more power and might cost extra money 20:27 cait oh showing 20:27 cait sowing? 20:21 rangi yeah, the only thing i havent bent it into doing yet is sowing the signed off one 20:20 drojf that BAM thing is pretty cool! 20:19 rangi nice 20:19 drojf (no idea how it did that) 20:19 drojf like, with the real gps and without rebooting the phone ^^ 20:19 drojf i think it actually works a little now 20:19 rangi yay! 20:19 drojf i will download wellington for you ;) 20:19 rangi :) 20:18 rangi it doesnt work so well in wellington 20:18 rangi i keep crashign into everything 20:18 drojf :D 20:18 rangi i did bwahah 20:18 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on May 25, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 20:18 drojf i hope nobody has that actually installed from the marketplace 20:18 rangi @wunder nzwn 20:18 magnuse heh, not much better now 20:18 rangi we need some signoffs 20:18 drojf cait: it's my own, i update all the time ;) 20:18 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/BAM/index.php?s=Koha&p=Koha 20:18 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (9:50 PM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 20:18 magnuse @wunder boo 20:18 cait brr 20:18 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 5.0°C (10:00 PM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 20:18 cait @wunder konstanz 20:18 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 20:18 cait @wunder wellington 20:18 cait hi rangi 20:17 drojf hi rangi 20:17 pianohacker hi rangi 20:17 magnuse kia ora rangi! 20:16 rangi morning 20:16 cait update? 20:16 cait heh 20:15 drojf oh no. drawing the path i walked into my map app might actually work now. that means i have to leave the house to test it. life is hard :P 20:14 drojf heh 20:14 wahanui hmmm... pizza is in the oven. 20:14 cait pizza? 20:14 drojf 10:14pm on a friday. so what? :P 20:12 mtompset Shoot! 4:12pm on a Friday. Better run. Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. 20:03 magnuse :-) 20:02 mtompset magnuse++ 20:02 mtompset anyways... thanks for the attempt, magnuse. 20:01 mtompset I'd like something WITHOUT a borrowers record. 20:01 mtompset I notice that the persona needs a matching email address in the borrowers table though. :( 19:59 magnuse short answer: not very (at least not in koha) 19:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9587 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Allow login via mozilla persona - https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/persona/ 19:59 magnuse bug 9587 19:58 mtompset Because on a related note, the question I have is how much information needs to be in the a_session field for the user to get logged in. :) 19:57 mtompset Are you familiar with sessions, magnuse? ;) 19:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1202: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1202/ 19:57 mtompset I'll probably end up doing that over the weekend. I suspect it is using a backchannel method, because I can't get it to work through my proxy and local VMs. 19:56 magnuse ooh, way above my head, but maybe look at how persona was implemented? 19:56 mtompset the redirect back to Koha would be a two part step. The first part would call a script that fakes the log in (back channel), and the second part would be the redirect to the apparent OPAC main screen (front channel). 19:53 mtompset ^what^way^ 19:52 mtompset redirect back to Koha in a what that Koha considers the user logged in. :) 19:52 mtompset redirect back to SimpleSAMLPHP after authenticating. 19:52 mtompset redirect to OpenIDP 19:52 mtompset redirect to SimpleSAMLPHP 19:52 mtompset click link on OPAC login screen. 19:51 mtompset back channel authentication. :P 19:51 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 19:51 magnuse first question? 19:36 mtompset So, anyone know how to get Koha to think a user is authenticated if you know their name (first, last, full) and email address? 19:33 mtompset YAY! The channel is alive, sort of. :) 19:33 pianohacker hi mtompset 19:31 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #1202 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9161 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Translate only specific files 18:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9161: Followup: the -f param does not work correctly 18:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9161: Translate only specific files 18:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1201: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1201/ 18:40 * druthb rules that jcamins has used up his quota of k keystrokes for the week. 18:39 jcamins In charge of protecting the Kartoffelkrokettenesseren from the Kartoffelkrokettenkrokodile? 18:38 Dyrcona Geman is fun. You just jam nouns together and new words! 18:37 jcamins lol 18:37 Dyrcona grounds keeper of the potato cake factory. 18:37 cait arbeiter :) 18:37 jcamins Dyrcona: Potato cake manufacturer empoyee? 18:37 cait ooh 18:36 druthb There is one, yes. 18:36 Dyrcona magnuse: yes. 18:35 * magnuse wonders if there will be arby's in reno 18:35 Dyrcona kartofflekrokettensfabriklandsgearbeiter? 18:34 drojf kartoffelkrokettenkrokodile 18:33 cait that's the plural :) 18:33 druthb kartoffelkroketten, the plural, cait? 18:33 pianohacker druthb: I don't know if those are the same, but man they sound good 18:32 Dyrcona Hardee's. 18:32 druthb (kartoffelkrokette? close) 18:32 * Dyrcona show his age. 18:32 Dyrcona Arby's used to be Burger Chef, didn't it? Or, was that Hardee's? 18:32 druthb and potato cakes! 18:32 cait :) 18:32 cait oh yum 18:32 bshum And mozzarella cheese sticks! 18:31 pianohacker arby's is a fast food place with unnaturally good roast beef and curly fries 18:31 cait it's friday :) 18:31 wahanui i guess everything is grilled 18:31 cait everything. 18:30 pianohacker about the arby's, or the cataloging? :) 18:30 * cait is confused now 18:30 pianohacker hehehe 18:30 * Dyrcona offers a mix of tree nuts and legumes. 18:29 druthb Tater cakes, please, and a beef and cheddar. Thanx, pianohacker. 18:29 pianohacker now I want arby's. curses 18:29 pianohacker curly braces! so curly 18:29 * jcamins rejects FRBR totally, and uses JSON. 18:29 pianohacker ahh, much better 18:28 * druthb renders FRBR in JSON, so pianohacker will love it. 18:28 * pianohacker should be taken with a grain of salt, as he hates XML-based formats in general 18:27 druthb totally. 18:27 magnuse rda is fair game, isn't it? 18:26 jcamins Dyrcona: not anymore. 18:26 druthb caitsnack cookie 18:26 * Dyrcona wonders if he is the only one who thinks FRBR looks like someone trying to write down what a wet fart sounds like. 18:26 drojf all that blaming makes you forget who the real enemy is 18:25 jcamins I am blaming FRBR. 18:25 druthb ! 18:25 jcamins Speak for yourself. 18:25 cait maybe we should blame druthb 18:25 magnuse oh noes 18:25 cait hm not sure we can do that 18:25 druthb Hi cait! we're blaming magnuse this afternoon. 18:24 * druthb blames magnuse. 18:24 * magnuse will not pick a fight about rdf ;-) 17:53 pianohacker that horrible, inelegant mess causes more problems than it solves 17:53 pianohacker I will implement a beautiful ontology if you give me something that has absolutely nothing to do with RDF, in any way, shape, influence or ancestry 17:52 gmcharlt my preference would be a FRBR that is more about expressing relationships and less about trying to fit things into a hierarchy 17:51 jcamins how many libraries are there in the world? 17:51 jcamins And... 17:51 jcamins And four. 17:51 jcamins And three. 17:51 jcamins Slice up the world in a way that has no bearing on reality, and, damn it, your slice doesn't coincide with my slice, so now we need two slices. 17:51 jcamins And everyone could benefit. 17:51 jcamins ^^ and that's why FRBR doesn't work. With a reasonable ontology, your friend would be smiling broadly and enhancing the copy- and domain-specific features of that record. 17:50 druthb Oh, sure, pianohacker. The mentality of *my data, dammit* is one of the problems that the industry faces. 17:50 pianohacker jcamins: I might have to look him up, sounds cool 17:50 pianohacker I see the look on my friend's face, just clear as day 17:49 jcamins James Ascher. He's a rare books cataloger there. 17:49 pianohacker I don't know... the thing is, when you say "Just use those records from that cataloger over there! He catalogs _slightly_ different than you, but that won't bother you, right?" 17:49 jcamins pianohacker: a friend of mine at CU Boulder does a great "why FRBR is broken" speech. 17:49 jcamins druthb: ... making FRBR ever work *as well as it is going to* ... <-- FTFY 17:48 pianohacker jcamins: Golden, actually, but only about 30 minutes south of there 17:48 druthb pianohacker: Fair 'nuf. That's why eliminating the "everyone owns a silo" model is a *huge* part of making FRBR ever *really* work. Spread the load. 17:48 jcamins pianohacker: I just realized you're somewhere in that area. 17:48 jcamins pianohacker: are you in Boulder? 17:48 gmcharlt and it's not just the catalogers ... I'm sure more than a few library administrators would like some assurance that the the potentially very high cost of a swithc would be worth it 17:47 jcamins pianohacker: you wouldn't. It's not a library thing. 17:47 pianohacker jcamins: okay, thanks. was curious, as I hadn't heard much of this before 17:47 jcamins David Vandermeulen's "Where angels fear to tread." 17:47 pianohacker druthb: I don't know if we should make catalogers suffer more than they already do, we don't need that many detail-oriented people revolting 17:47 jcamins pianohacker: Gaskell, Bowers, Belanger's article, etc., etc. 17:46 druthb (To borrow from Roy Tennant, it may still be lipstick on a pig, but it's a new shade…and one that empowers *finders*, at the cost of some suffering for catalogers, particularly if everyone keeps their own copy, like so many do now.) 17:46 pianohacker [citation needed] :) 17:46 jcamins I am talking about bibliographic analysis. 17:45 jcamins *cataloging 17:45 jcamins Note I am _not_ talking about cataloing. 17:45 jcamins That jargon, though arcane, is equally applicable to ebooks. 17:45 jcamins pianohacker: in the past hundred or so years, we have learned how to describe the publication patterns of books (i.e. bibliographical analysis) in a meaningful way. 17:44 druthb …what it *does* help, if fully and well-implemented, is broader, more-useful discovery. 17:44 druthb jcamins: it's as sound as any other voodoo; it's cram full of arbitrariness, like *every other* system. But a lot here rides on how you define "bibliographic analysis." To me, FRBR doesn't help what I think of when I hear that—or not much. 17:44 pianohacker woah, empirically proven? Those are quite strong words to use in a cataloging setting. What specifically do you mean? 17:43 jcamins If you aren't interested in bibliographic analysis, don't obfuscate your goals and try to redefine existing terms just to sound important. 17:43 jcamins If you want to do true bibliographic analysis, use the empirically proven categories of bibliographic analysis. 17:42 jcamins druthb: it's an improvement over MARC, sure, but FRBR is hardly a theoretically sound basis. 17:42 druthb The other hickey is "as the size of the data store grows". As long as each library has its' very own silo of data, the true value of the FRBR conceptual model just won't get realized. 17:41 druthb As a mechanism for *discovery*, it's a vast improvement over MARC of any flavor, IMO. As a tool for *inventory*, it's more-complicated than MARC, and that seems to be what makes some catalogers nervous. But it's no better or worse at the job. 17:41 msaby and for bibframe, this sentence is silly "Each BIBFRAME Instance is an instance of one and only one BIBFRAME Work." Means all the work made on FRBR is lost. Like, if we were in 1997 17:41 bag druthb: we enjoyed the movie 17:40 pianohacker drojf: that's pretty much exactly my view :) 17:40 druthb The conceptual model provides all sorts of value, in the possibility of deep, non-trivial linking of things, as the size of the data store grows. "I like Anne Rice; show me other authors who have lived in New Orleans," for instance. 17:40 drojf i had to learn some marc21 so i want to keep it forever :P 17:40 pianohacker thanks wahanui 17:40 wahanui categories are only coming up with special types 17:40 pianohacker categories? 17:39 msaby druthb that's exactly the opinion of french national library and university lib network 17:39 * jcamins shakes his head dolefully. 17:39 jcamins The reasoning behind needing it was sound, but the categories they selected... 17:38 * jcamins is anti-FRBR. 17:38 * druthb dislikes RDA; in my (admittedly uneducated) opinion, it misses the mark completely on what make the FRBR concept valuable, and is just preserving the status quo. 17:37 pianohacker The closest I've ever wanted to get was a FRBR discussion back in 2010 in colorado; didn't go, but my cataloger friend said they spent much time on productive questions like "what exactly is an author, really?" 17:36 jcamins Too painful to even consider. 17:36 jcamins Nor the RDA list. 17:36 jcamins gmcharlt: I don't follow the bibframe list. 17:36 gmcharlt the discussiones on the bibframe list have certainly been ... energetic 17:35 jcamins Agreed. 17:35 jcamins Hehe. 17:33 msaby and Bibframe, pfffffftttt. 17:33 * Dyrcona is not happy with RDA either. 17:33 jcamins msaby: we're not happy with RDA here either, don't worry. 17:33 Dyrcona Evergreen is basically stuck at Xulrunner 14 because after that, features we use disappear. 17:33 msaby jcamins : we are not happy with RDA here. We hoped it could take profit of some UNIMARC features. So, not sure we will have RDA one day 17:32 Dyrcona Xulrunner 3.6.x is basically the same as xulrunner 1.9.x. After that it tracks more closely to firefox versions. 17:31 jcamins msaby: UNIMARC authority records are just generally better... regular MARC21 authorities don't contain any biographical information, really. 17:31 pianohacker probably; back in the day xulrunner changed directions about every other week 17:30 jcamins pianohacker: I believe after 1.9.2 they changed the way xulrunner worked, but Dyrcona can confirm. 17:30 msaby for me the main advantage of unimarc is linking bibs to auth using identifiers, and not string 17:30 drojf lol 17:29 jcamins drojf: the only thing that I will do with MARC in a tree is string it up for the birds to peck at. 17:29 msaby never realized that for 100 field 17:29 pianohacker my goodness, that's an old xulrunner 17:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #1201 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:29 drojf jcamins and unimarc sittin' in a tree… 17:29 * msaby ♥ @jcamins 17:29 oleonard Have a nice weekend #koha 17:29 jcamins Except, of course, for the fact that the 100 field is different lengths depending on whether you have an authority or a bib record, which is silly. 17:29 * oleonard quits early 17:28 jcamins msaby: it's a shame, because UNIMARC is better than MARC21, mostly. 17:28 msaby sometimes, as a unimarc user, I feel like a black sheep :( 17:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10120 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Fine recalculation on return needs to be a system preference 17:28 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10120: DBRev 3.13.00.006 17:28 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 10120: Adding a syspref to control if overdue charges are updated on return 17:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1200: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1200/ 17:28 jcamins You have nothing to lose but your wacky varying fixed field lengths! 17:27 drojf yay. unimarc people unite! 17:27 jcamins msaby++ 17:27 msaby well, I'm going to test his patchs 17:24 jcamins Janusz isn't around #koha much, I don't think. 17:23 msaby do you know him? From his name, he seems to be a Pole 17:23 msaby happy to see sbdy posted UNIMARC related patch in Bugzilla 17:22 drojf hi msaby 17:18 msaby hello #koha 17:05 kf bye all 16:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9161: Followup: the -f param does not work correctly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37234811a518f4446a5564e954df2aa34d606633> / Bug 9161: Translate only specific files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=65258180761ecd0df91441f01207f18ccc10936e> 16:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #1200 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:12 kf gmcharlt++ :) 16:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add Koha TT Plugin 16:12 jenkins_koha Kyle M Hall: Bug 10206 - Add Koha TT Plugin - Koha.Preference 16:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1199: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1199/ 15:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10120: DBRev 3.13.00.006 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=022e5974a3de505ee5019aaba7f1a80f42eda21c> / Bug 10120: Adding a syspref to control if overdue charges are updated on return <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc61bd30186b0305579c5dee0a14f9d2733cd5db> 15:22 rambutan ah, nobody advised me of the change order 15:22 gmcharlt it's actually going to be dancing kitties 15:22 gmcharlt rambutan: you hear wrong 15:15 rambutan Koha v4.12 is going to have little dancing blue cows in the lower right hand corner, I hear. 15:02 jcamins 3.12 is so much prettier. 15:02 jcamins You know, using 3.10.x is a real let-down. 14:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #1199 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10206 - Add Koha TT Plugin - Koha.Preference <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e10f6fb78ae7fa2dfc4f52a3791ac35082237ac> 14:50 rambutan I haven't met a chat client yet I really truly liked. 14:47 rambutan well, I see rambutan1, lemme log off/on 14:47 jcamins There is no rambutan1. 14:47 rambutan tried command, didn't do anything. rambutan1 is not a registered nick 14:47 jcamins Bwahaha! 14:46 alex_a not nickserv 14:46 rambutan does have a certain ring to it, doesn't it? 14:46 alex_a /msg nickserv ghost username password 14:46 oleonard "Rambutan: Ghost Command" sounds like an awesome action flick. 14:45 rambutan ? 14:45 alex_a rambutan: ghost command 14:45 rambutan can a sysop kick rambutan1 plz? 14:41 druthb hi, oleonard! Puh. 14:39 jcamins Right next to me on the desk is a book entitled "Les <<Poulains>> de Corinthe." 14:36 kf hi oleonard 14:35 oleonard puh. 14:28 druthb puh. I don't need a warning! 14:28 kf they are only warning you from me I guess :) 14:27 * druthb wields pointy stick, to defend herself from the bots. 14:26 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 14:26 huginn GERMS!!!! 14:24 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #174: "paul_p I answer to SLEF" (added by Brooke at 10:16 AM, January 04, 2012) 14:24 gmcharlt @quote random 14:12 druthb kf++ 14:08 magnuse kf++ 14:08 magnuse yes, that fixed it! 14:06 magnuse ah, i might miss the user with permissions, perhaps 14:06 magnuse a littlebit 14:04 kf magnuse: still around? 13:58 * drojf leaves 13:40 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "any sip2 experts able to see what is going wrong here?" (345 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/25 13:03 oleonard jcamins: That seems logical 13:03 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS Notes de version de Koha 3.12 (Traduction française) http://t.co/Mg03WE2YRj" 13:02 jcamins OpacAdditionalStylesheet 13:00 * oleonard proposes renaming opaccolorstylesheet but doesn't have a good suggestion for what to rename it to 12:27 tcohen druthb_away: power supply problem, looks like the generator didn't wake up 12:25 magnuse hiya tcohen 12:25 tcohen morning #koha 12:21 * magnuse gets to test the new koha-*-sip scripts 12:12 oleonard Hi #koha 12:02 magnuse yay 12:02 Viktor magnuse - Yep. I'll email you the documentation so you can have a look. 11:59 magnuse Viktor: sounds like we got some figuring out to do :-) 11:52 Viktor magnuse Great if it still works. The only requirements are "opac holdings" in Z39.50 and that the Libris-id (we'll get that when we have the new records) is searchable. 11:52 drojf [off] there is no reference to k-c.org or the mailing lists, just the contact data of vimal in the readme. i suppose all live dvd questions will go there 11:50 magnuse mindsweeper sounds like a fun game, though 11:49 koha minesweeper 11:49 koha jcamins it comes with sudoku and mindesweeper 11:48 magnuse [off] Viktor: http://wiki.biblab.no/wiki/Koha,_Z39.50_og_eksemplarstatus not sure if it is still accurate, though 11:48 jcamins drojf: since you're testing the live dvd, I am referring all live dvd questions to you from now on. 11:48 koha hello from inside a koha livedvd ... 11:47 Viktor (looking for more info) 11:46 Viktor The national service has a custom script to translate from Z39.50 to their API 11:46 jcamins That would be my interpretation as well. 11:46 magnuse we have the items in z30.50 and sru, as far as i know, but the problem is that the national service would need to know how to interpret our item info 11:44 Viktor Thanks for the tip kf It's a really small API. Really just id-number as input and returning some XML with a few fields. 11:42 kf Viktor: i think sru has the items too - but maybe a custom api using ils-di as base would be nicer (and maybe faster) 11:39 Viktor jcamins Ok. I guess we'll go with a the API and make it a part of "activate settings for sweden" 11:38 jcamins Viktor: item records are included in the Z39.50 results, but I suspect the custom API will make more sense. 11:38 Viktor I guess magnuse and I will have a chat about it later :) I 11:37 Viktor We will want to show availability in the large national catalogue and it can either be done with Z39.50 or complying with a custom API. 11:36 Viktor And hi magnuse! 11:36 Viktor Thanks kf and jcamins 11:34 magnuse jcamins: yay! :-) 11:34 wahanui i think kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. 11:34 kf and me? 11:34 kf :) 11:34 jcamins magnuse: I'll get as much as I can fit in the freezer, and when you're in NYC you can use some too. :) 11:34 magnuse and hiya Viktor 11:34 jcamins Hehe. 11:33 magnuse jcamins: can you get some for me too? 11:31 jcamins Woohoo! Frozen spinach is on sale! 11:31 jcamins Viktor: no, the only record type Koha supports is MARC. 11:26 kf Viktor: sorry, not sure 11:23 Viktor (Good looking code btw) 11:23 Viktor (And no I'm not yet a Koha hacker - but I'm learning Github and having a look at the code once in a while) 11:22 Viktor Does Koha support "Opac holdings" in the Z39.50 server? 11:21 Viktor Hi kf! 11:20 kf hi Viktor 11:20 Viktor Greetings! 11:19 kf vfernandes: no need to be sorry - i just happened to test that fix 10:40 vfernandes sorry kf... so is a bug of javascript 10:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu 10:32 kf bug 10225 10:31 kf if it's that they can uese the edit item link from the context menu (cickingin a field) that has been fixed 10:31 kf sorr,y now i was too slow 10:31 kf vfernandes: thee was one bug fixed witht he context menu 10:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10322 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , IndependentBranches - can edit items from other branches 10:27 vfernandes bug 10322 filled 10:25 drojf maybe i am confusing it with something else though 10:24 drojf i think there was some talk here about that… because i remember learning that on superlibrarians while reading about it 10:23 tweetbot [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Les notes de version de #Kohails 3.12 sont désormais disponibles en français. - http://t.co/NbEsIpzD5r" 10:22 vfernandes they aren't superlibrarians 10:22 drojf heh 10:22 * magnuse foresees a lot of fun with independentbranches/independantbranches in the future ;-) 10:21 drojf i think there was a bug like that, but i don't have time to search for it 10:21 drojf are they superlibrarians? i think those are supposed to be able to change from all branches 10:21 drojf hm there are even more with different spelling. independent branches. independantbranches 10:20 vfernandes they are users with editcatalogue permissions 10:20 vfernandes they aren't superlibrarian... 10:20 vfernandes the bug that i've said isn't in that list... should I open a new one? 10:20 magnuse vfernandes: i think superlibrarians can change items from any branch - could that be it? 10:17 drojf vfernandes: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__all__&content=independentbranches&list_id=62759&product=Koha&query_format=specific&order=bug_status%2Crelevance%20DESC&query_based_on= 10:10 vfernandes the problem that i'm having in 3.8 is that the librarians can change items from other libraries 10:08 vfernandes there are any bugs associated to IndependentBranches? 10:08 vfernandes hello :) 09:35 magnuse ouch 09:35 kf we turned the heatng on again in the office 09:35 kf it is 09:35 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 09:35 rangi @wunder nzwn 09:34 magnuse wow kf, that's positively cold! 09:29 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.7°C (11:25 AM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 09:29 kf @wunder Konstanz 09:29 huginn kf: Error: No such location could be found. 09:29 kf @wunder Berlin 09:25 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 14.2°C (11:13 AM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 09:25 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 09:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Technical University of Crete, Chania, Greece is 21.8°C (11:40 AM EEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 09:14 magnuse @wunder chania 09:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 09:14 magnuse @wunder boo 07:48 drojf seems like oftc has some issues with ssl certificates?! i could not reconnect for a while 07:47 dcook Night #koha. Perhaps I'll see some of you over the next few days... 07:47 * dcook waves to drojf 07:36 kf hi #koha, hi wahanui 07:36 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 07:36 huginn GERMS!!!! 07:15 christophe_c hello #koha 07:09 samueld hey dcook 07:08 dcook hey ya samueld 07:05 magnuse drojf: actually the opac worked better than i expected :-) 07:00 samueld hi everybody 07:00 drojf (i bet he already did) 07:00 drojf maybe oleonard can optimize koha for lynx :D 06:59 drojf i wonder how well it works with koha 06:58 drojf :) 06:57 magnuse heh, looks like it's part of the default ubuntu setup :-) 06:55 magnuse hehe, yeah 06:54 drojf :P 06:54 drojf magnuse: well, you can always use lynx 06:53 magnuse dcook++ 06:53 magnuse drojf: 21 06:53 * dcook goes back to frantic coding 06:52 dcook magnuse: I lost patience with Firefox a while ago for that reason 06:51 drojf looks like something got better. which version are you using magnuse? 06:51 drojf oh, i lied. 350mb atm for my firefox. 06:51 drojf hi alex_a_ 06:50 drojf i wonder how that works with the firefox os phones. only 512mb ram, i never see my desktop firefox browser use that "little", but it seems to work for a whole os based on it :D 06:50 alex_a_ bonjour ! 06:49 magnuse and my poor old mac mini is not too well endowed in the memory department these days 06:47 magnuse it's a bit of a memory hog 06:46 drojf whats wrong with firefox? 06:46 * magnuse loses patience with firefox 06:42 reiveune hello 06:35 drojf [off] i demand a whole kohalivedvdcon 06:34 drojf [off] so brooke proposed to have the live dvd at kohacon? speaking of trolly… 06:24 cait hi all 06:22 * magnuse waves 06:21 jajm hello 06:20 drojf good morning #koha 06:00 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period). 06:00 mtompset I should get some sleep. 05:54 mtompset Just learned about INSERT IGNORE... nice option. 05:54 mtompset Sorry, I don't know. 05:54 aj_ What script am i suppose to run in order to send SMS? 05:53 aj_ what am i suppose to send sms? 05:53 aj_ SMS is pending 05:53 aj_ http://awesomescreenshot.com/0371badw74 05:39 cait good side on my bread going green? warm croissant :) 05:36 huginn cait: Quote #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe" (added by kf at 08:45 AM, September 13, 2010) 05:36 cait @quote random 05:22 huginn mtompset: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009) 05:22 mtompset @quote get 6 05:15 cait ah yeah... he never liked my cookies, bug him 05:14 cait !huginn botsnack cookie 05:14 huginn cait: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 05:14 cait huginn botsnack cookie 05:14 cait no bugging the bot! 05:11 cjh for science! 05:11 cjh so you could write a bot to bug him :) 05:11 cjh he responds in private chat /msg huginn @quote random #koha 05:10 mtompset Wait a second... if #251 is the last, but @quote stats says there are only 239... which ones are missing? I hate being curious about useless things. 05:09 cait hi cjh :) 05:09 cjh evening cait :) 05:08 cait hi #koha 05:05 mtompset I would say there are 251 quotes, but that will become more and more inaccurate, much like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy trilogy. ;) 05:05 mtompset I would say there are 251 quotes, but that will become more and more inaccurate, much like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. ;) 05:04 huginn mtompset: Quote #251: "<zebran00b> I'm thinking there's a regular expression for this" (added by wizzyrea at 04:56 AM, May 24, 2013) 05:04 mtompset @quote get 251 05:04 huginn mtompset: Error: There is no Quote with id #252 in my database for #koha. 05:04 mtompset @quote get 252 05:04 huginn mtompset: Error: There is no Quote with id #255 in my database for #koha. 05:04 mtompset @quote get 255 05:04 huginn mtompset: Error: There is no Quote with id #260 in my database for #koha. 05:04 mtompset @quote get 260 05:03 mtompset Greetings, cait. 05:02 mtompset wizzyrea: your quote flooding smells of wine. :P 05:01 mtompset Oh wait... There's a diacritic marking. 05:01 mtompset grandchild? 05:00 cjh > apent. third-person plural future active indicative of apŠ05:00 wizzyrea can't type, clearly 05:00 wizzyrea or someting 05:00 wizzyrea or repenting 05:00 wizzyrea spent 05:00 wizzyrea aaaand I'm apent. 05:00 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #250: "<cjh> This code smells of wine." (added by wizzyrea at 04:52 AM, May 24, 2013) 05:00 wizzyrea @quote get 250 05:00 huginn wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #270 in my database for #koha. 05:00 wizzyrea @quote get 270 05:00 wizzyrea there are like 270something 04:59 wizzyrea oh god. 04:59 cjh maybe we need a "@quote all" command 04:59 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 04:59 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #62: "<fallor> is this a known thingy?" (added by gmcharlt at 01:18 PM, February 26, 2010) 04:59 wizzyrea @quote random 04:59 wizzyrea gosh we are super witty 04:59 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 04:59 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #166: "jcamins: this is IRC. There's a several decade long tradition of lurking." (added by wizzyrea at 03:06 PM, November 17, 2011) 04:59 wizzyrea @quote random 04:59 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 04:59 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #225: "eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding." (added by wizzyrea at 09:44 PM, December 19, 2012) 04:59 wizzyrea @quote random 04:59 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #227: "wizzyrea: lol, you should have searched for paroxysms" (added by druthb at 12:40 AM, December 28, 2012) 04:59 wizzyrea @quote random 04:59 wizzyrea kekekekekeke 04:59 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #221: "I used to be sane like you, until I took a MARC data to the knee" (added by chrisc at 09:28 PM, October 23, 2012) 04:59 wizzyrea @quote random 04:58 wizzyrea I'll stop soon... aomost hometime 04:58 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012) 04:58 wizzyrea @quote random 04:58 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #152: "gmcharlt: Koha: unifying the world one library at a time" (added by wizzyrea at 02:19 PM, September 13, 2011) 04:58 wizzyrea @quote random 04:58 mtompset And frequently, I step on git's toes. :P 04:58 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009) 04:58 wizzyrea @quote random 04:58 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 04:58 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #120: "<sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits" (added by gmcharlt at 05:57 PM, January 27, 2011) 04:58 wizzyrea @quote random 04:58 wizzyrea <3 04:58 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #208: "<mtompset> Tonight... I tango with git." (added by jcamins at 03:01 PM, June 28, 2012) 04:58 wizzyrea @quote random 04:58 wizzyrea *snicker* 04:57 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #47: "pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car" (added by brendan at 10:15 PM, November 16, 2009) 04:57 wizzyrea @quote random 04:57 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #52: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers" (added by gmcharlt at 08:50 PM, January 28, 2010) 04:57 wizzyrea @quote random 04:57 wizzyrea true. 04:57 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 04:57 wizzyrea @quote random 04:57 wizzyrea *snicker* 04:57 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #219: "You can't hit a perl module in the face. You can only hit it in its package!" (added by wizzyrea at 03:03 PM, October 10, 2012) 04:57 wizzyrea @quote random 04:57 wizzyrea that's a good one. 04:57 * wizzyrea giggles 04:57 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #114: "chris_n: maybe you mean black magic with reference to zebra? ;-) ; wizzyrea: correction: black magic of zebra :D ; sekjal: correction: black and white striped magic of zebra .... ; rhcl: zebra sounds like a skunk ; chris_n thinks is may smell occasionally too, like a pole cat." (added by wizzyrea at 04:49 PM, January 18, 2011) 04:56 wizzyrea @quote random 04:56 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 04:56 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #51: "jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 07:35 PM, January 20, 2010) 04:56 wizzyrea @quote random 04:56 cjh heh 04:56 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #251 added. 04:56 wizzyrea @quote add <zebran00b> I'm thinking there's a regular expression for this 04:55 zebran00b I'm thinking there's a regular expression for this 04:49 mtompset And unfortunately, my library colleague who I would ask is probably on lunch right now. 04:47 mtompset And sadly, neither would I. 04:43 zebran00b I guess another possibility is to modify the MARC framework in Koha somehow, but I wouldn't know where to begin 04:43 zebran00b yup 04:42 mtompset Oh. Yuck. That would be bad. 04:42 zebran00b doing a second swap adds a second $o to the first 952 04:39 mtompset Assuming that your swap leaves 090$a$b intact, does doing the swap again update the second one? 04:38 mtompset Okay, I have a counter question, because I'm not a marcedit ninja. 04:31 zebran00b When I swap 090$a$b to 952$o in MarcEdit for books with multiple copies/volumes, it only gets added to the first item 04:25 mtompset Not I, but you could ask your question anyways. :) 04:23 zebran00b is there a marcedit ninja in the house? 04:18 mtompset Are you trying to teach wahanui to be a boozer, eythian? 04:08 trea mayhap so 04:06 eythian :< 04:06 eythian ... 04:06 eythian wahanui: is it beer o'clock yet? 03:19 mtompset Ah. 03:18 eythian To find records that match a problematic pattern for my migration scripts, say. 03:18 eythian no, from the MARC records I work on on disk 03:18 mtompset would you do it from the XML field or the koha table fields? 03:17 mtompset That would be useful. :) 03:07 eythian I think I've said that before. 03:07 * eythian really needs to make a marcgrep that extracts records that only match a pattern. 02:43 dcook Mrow 02:43 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (12:30 PM EST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 02:43 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 02:41 wizzyrea nice to see a humidity somewhere below 80% 02:41 wizzyrea hm that's quite nice actually 02:41 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (2:00 PM NZST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 02:41 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 02:41 * dcook might be slightly exaggerating 02:41 dcook I think my hands are turning purple 02:40 dcook It's rather cold in the office today... 02:40 dcook hehe, true as 02:40 wizzyrea it's not such a stretch to pretend you're in antarctica from here :P 02:39 dcook :p 02:38 wizzyrea oh LOVE montreal... not OF montreal. 02:37 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8cCPH1qnYI 02:36 dcook [off] Love Montreal 02:36 dcook [off] Too bad my French isn't better... 02:34 dcook hehe 02:33 * wizzyrea notices you are discussing benedict cumberbatch - swoons. 02:32 eythian I had trouble not seeing him as Sherlock Holmes. 02:31 mtompset And the new Star Trek movie is interesting. Though, the villan's character doesn't work for me. 02:24 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:24 eythian wahanui: eat paste is <reply>http://dangerousminds.net/comments/headstone_reads_unknown_man_died_eating_library_paste_1908 02:24 wahanui eythian: sorry... 02:24 eythian wahanui: eat paste 02:23 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org 02:23 eythian wahanui: paste 02:23 mtompset I just woke up from an early evening nap. 02:23 mtompset I think that is what I'm doing now. 02:23 druthb hehe 02:22 eythian I've been teaching myself to sleep-IRC, if that helps any. 02:22 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "who wants to work on #KohaILS in montreal? http://t.co/8IwJC2cB6E" 02:22 druthb mtompset: you can assume eythian is being sarcastic--or at least mildly ironic--any time he's awake. :) 02:20 * mtompset agrees with wizzyrea. 02:20 * mtompset agree with wizzyrea. 02:20 eythian pity, they could have been good I reckon 02:19 * wizzyrea wonders where eythian's sarcasm mark is 02:19 eythian No, they never made 1-3. I remember them talking about it though. 02:19 wizzyrea errrr 02:19 mtompset You have episodes 1 through 6, though 4-6 came first. 02:18 eythian *movies. 02:18 eythian mtompset: 3 mocies. 02:16 mtompset Star Wars is 6 movies, though the pre-quels kind of sucked by comparison. 01:02 dcook Wish that I would've been at that meeting...my talk could have 15 minutes shaved off as well 01:01 dcook Wow, 63 people for Kohacon. Not bad 00:59 dcook I said last night that I was proud of my nerdiness though, so I'll stand by it :p 00:59 * dcook says feeling like such a stereotype 00:59 dcook True, although I thought the Star Wars novels added quite a bit to the universe 00:58 dcook :p 00:58 cjh and beaten to the punch line too :) 00:58 cjh s/was/were/ 00:58 cjh I thought there was only 3 star wars movies? 00:57 eythian The problem is, star wars is only 3 movies, whereas star trek as a lot more canon to draw from 00:57 dcook I think I've just blocked out the newer Star Wars movies 00:57 dcook Or was that the last 90s... 00:57 * dcook might be more of a Star Wars fan than a Star Trek fan...well if you exclude the 2000s... 00:56 dcook My partner has already seen it, so I think I might have to go solo 00:56 dcook I'm totes going to see it sometime as well. Hmm, maybe I'll go tonight... 00:56 druthb Go watch it, silly. 00:55 bag heh 00:55 bag thanks 00:55 * druthb pokes bag with her pointy stick. 00:55 bag oh thanks dcook I am definitely not going now :( 00:54 dcook eythian: Yeah, I've heard some mixed things 00:53 bag heh 00:53 bag :P 00:53 bag shit I can't go now 00:53 eythian Definitely fun. 00:53 eythian It's quite good. A few things I wasn't so fussed on, but still well worth the watch. 00:52 bag you like it? 00:52 eythian bag: saw that last night 00:51 bag great great! 00:51 druthb *loved* it. 00:51 bag did you like the movie? 00:50 rangi ohh have fun 00:50 druthb Yay! :) Have fun, bag! 00:50 dcook I actually worked in the building next door. West Georgia is a pretty good street 00:50 bag our first date - and the first time ginny has a babysitter :) 00:50 rangi lets keep that outflow up :-) 00:50 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/BAM/index.php?s=Koha&p=Koha 00:50 bag going to star trek tonight 00:50 dcook Mmm, right 00:50 druthb heya, bag 00:50 bag heya druthb 00:49 rangi the one the conf was in 00:49 dcook Which hotel were you in? 00:49 dcook I don't even remember a place at the hackfest 00:49 dcook Oh yeah? 00:43 rangi and suprisingly (or not) the place in the university where the hackfest was on was decent too 00:43 rangi it was a random one, about 2 blocks from the hotel in the direction of stanley park 00:42 dcook Where did you find in Vancouver, rangi? 00:41 rangi but yeah on average, it was pretty average 00:41 bag good 00:41 dcook 2 hours of sleep? Have a double double and you're wired for the next two days 00:41 bag cindy our bookkeeper's husband roasts his own - I get some of that from time to time - and that's goog 00:41 cjh mmmhhmm donuts 00:41 rangi there were a couple of nice places i found in vancouver 00:41 dcook Although Tim Horton's can get you through anything 00:41 dcook To be honest, I'm not much of a coffee drinker, but the coffee back in Canada wasn't really very good 00:41 dcook :D 00:40 rangi it is in wellington 00:39 dcook Coffee good in New Zealand? 00:39 dcook Mmm, I'll believe you...this time 00:37 rangi http://shop.peoplescoffee.co.nz/collections/all/products/ethiopian-yirgacheffe 00:37 rangi coffee 00:36 rangi heh 00:36 * dcook opens and closes his mouth 00:36 dcook ... 00:34 rangi yeah 00:34 eythian I think his conversion was wrong, 40USD seemed more likely for the 1KG 00:33 rangi ahh he's gone 00:33 rangi so lets say 500grams