Time  Nick          Message
23:14 pianohacker   worked well, thanks
23:13 jcamins       pianohacker: PMed
23:09 pianohacker   cool, thanks!
23:09 jcamins       pianohacker: yeah, one moment and I'll give you one.
23:08 pianohacker   jcamins: this is interesting. do you have a demo login/password?
23:06 jcamins       pianohacker: I'm hoping Shari will agree to rewrite the text. :)
23:05 drojf         meh, it's not even a word processor
23:04 pianohacker   ...? "there are only two first-order entities: records, and records and record collections"
23:04 rangi         cool
23:03 * jcamins     stole the idea from your description of how history.txt could be displayed in the About page.
23:01 jcamins       Oh, rangi, did I show you what I did with the docs? http://demo.biblionarrator.com/about <-- the three buttons on the controlbar are loading the three files in /docs
23:01 anotherPeter  rangi: thanks, i had failed to specify the branch name after git reset --hard, now fixed
22:59 pianohacker   I'm a fan of the history file, I just like how little... documentation ends up in the docs folders
22:58 pianohacker   hah! that qualifies
22:57 jcamins       (actually, it's not empty, but still)
22:57 jcamins       pianohacker: bibionarrator? :P It's a nice empty directory.
22:56 rangi         anotherPeter: hmm what does git status tell you?
22:56 rangi         im not sure of any others that maintain their own history file pianohacker
22:55 pianohacker   ... is there any open-source project that has a docs directory that's much besides a text junk drawer?
22:55 anotherPeter  but still, i cannot get it to stomp all over my local files
22:55 rangi         anotherPeter: the reason we are fixing these now is there is a patch floating around for showing the history on the about page in Koha, so more eyes :)
22:55 anotherPeter  i am trying to update my git, and have done git fetch, tried git merge origin/master, and git reset --hard
22:54 rangi         :)
22:54 rangi         line 14 has one too
22:54 rangi         theres a bunch there
22:54 anotherPeter  so a newbie question from me this time
22:54 anotherPeter  that was the one I'd assumed you meant
22:54 anotherPeter  rangi: thanks, the change we had so far was sleepness
22:53 rangi         no that's the name of a real award, crazy eh
22:52 rangi         :)
22:52 jcamins       And I can't tell if there's an error on line 18.
22:52 jcamins       Or the typo on 20.
22:51 jcamins       Presumably you had in mind the typo on line 7 rather than 6.
22:48 jcamins       I see several problems with the early entries.
22:48 rangi         ill see if someone can find that one :)
22:47 rangi         theres another typo between line one and line 21 too
22:47 jcamins       rangi: I think anotherPeter already assigned that patch. :)
22:47 rangi         its saying award, it should be a release
22:47 rangi         line 21 of docs/history.txt
22:47 rangi         anotherPeter: really easy one
22:39 wahanui       hmmm... want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
22:39 rangi         want to help?
22:39 rangi         want to help is  http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
22:39 rangi         yeah
22:39 jcamins       I think it's the "I"
22:39 rangi         hmm weird
22:39 wahanui       http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
22:39 rangi         we should use more marc
22:38 jcamins       what?
22:38 jcamins       what is I want to help?
22:38 wahanui       drojf: excuse me?
22:38 drojf         no cookies for you, wahanui
22:38 drojf         i want to help?
22:38 drojf         i want to help
22:38 wahanui       i already had it that way, jcamins.
22:38 jcamins       wahanui: \I want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
22:38 jsangalli     thanks, ill read the page :)
22:37 wahanui       jcamins: no idea
22:37 jcamins       wahanui: I want to help?
22:37 jcamins       I want to help?
22:37 wahanui       i already had it that way, jcamins.
22:37 jcamins       I want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
22:37 rangi         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
22:37 jcamins       jsangalli: one moment, there's a page with a list.
22:37 jcamins       Projects?
22:36 jcamins       Getting started?
22:36 jcamins       How to help?
22:36 jcamins       I want to help?
22:36 jsangalli     hey guys, do any of you know of some trivial problems to be solved by noobs? cheers
22:16 anotherPeter  jcamins: in real life i am trapped in a mire of contract negotiation, so i must hack in my own time :-/
22:15 anotherPeter  jcamins: yep
22:15 jcamins       anotherPeter: sorry, to clarify, I was wondering if you were the Peter I just added to the history a few weeks ago. :)
22:14 anotherPeter  on rang1s suggestion i have one of them starting with a typo in history.txt
22:14 jcamins       If not, welcome to #koha anyway, of course. :)
22:14 jcamins       anotherPeter = new contributer Peter? If so, welcome to #koha!
22:14 anotherPeter  (channel/project, both)
22:13 anotherPeter  hi, a couple of novices will be joining soon, i'm helping them get started, so there will be lots of excruciating newbie chitchat
22:01 drojf         that poor thing
22:00 drojf         <!++
21:59 huginn        jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (812), "oleonard" (711), and "jcamins" (586).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-116), "failed" (-103), and "ie" (-86).  You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2514.
21:59 jcamins       @karma
21:40 drojf         i met him too and he did a very good job hiding his fishicity
21:39 jcamins       He asked me not to tell anyone who didn't already know that he was a fish, but I guess the secret is out.
21:39 * jcamins     met rangi in person.
21:38 rangi         heh
21:38 drojf         or that thing does not work
21:37 drojf         rangi: accoding to the tile downloader, wellington is very small and only water. i suppose you are some sort of fish
21:37 jcamins       Semolina is the starch.
21:37 jcamins       Wait, got it backwards.
21:37 drojf         :D
21:36 drojf         jcamins: yay :/
21:36 pianohacker   ahh, okay, makes sense
21:36 jcamins       drojf: it's the protein part. Basically just gluten. :P
21:35 drojf         which is basically wheat?
21:35 jcamins       Ooh... ever had cream of wheat?
21:35 jcamins       It tastes like semolina. :P
21:34 pianohacker   what's the taste of that like, vs wheat bread?
21:31 jcamins       And regular semolina bread, when I'm not making pizza.
21:31 pianohacker   ooh that sounds good
21:31 jcamins       pianohacker: pizza dough!
21:31 pianohacker   jcamins: what do you use semolina for, out of curiosity?
21:29 jcamins       Horror! We are out of semolina flour!
21:29 cait          good night all
21:14 wahanui       pianohacker is younger, I think.
21:14 rhcl          hey pianohacker
21:14 pianohacker   rhcl: hi there
21:13 rhcl          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealandia_%28continent%29
21:13 rhcl          well, that's NZ's own fault for breaking away from Australia....
21:12 rangi         its still around 12 hours to thailand
21:11 rangi         well australia is 4 hour flight
21:11 rhcl          Me? I can visit Kansas, Iowa and Oklahoma with relative ease.
21:11 rangi         nowhere is close to nz
21:11 rangi         heh
21:11 rhcl          Must be nice to live in NZ, where Thailand and Vietname are, like, just a few states away
21:10 rhcl          must be nice to live in a European country where Greece is just, like, a few states away.
21:10 rangi         yay lots of new unit tests
21:09 rangi         enjoy your trip
21:09 rangi         cya magnuse
21:09 magnuse       oh well, i'm off - have fun #koha!
21:08 magnuse       heh
21:07 rangi         HATED olives the rest of his life though
21:07 magnuse       aww, nice
21:07 rangi         he still loved the place tho, and the people who helped him
21:07 magnuse       heh, yeah
21:07 rangi         but hard to get off an island
21:07 rangi         he escaped 3 times
21:07 magnuse       thanks cait
21:07 magnuse       rangi: that was probably not so fun...
21:07 cait          have a good time magnuse
21:07 magnuse       yup, good decision :-)
21:07 rangi         my great uncle was a pow on crete for 3 years
21:06 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (10:50 PM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
21:06 magnuse       @wunder boo
21:06 magnuse       yay!
21:06 rangi         ohh cool
21:06 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Technical University of Crete, Chania, Greece is 17.5°C (12:01 AM EEST on May 25, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
21:06 magnuse       @wunder chania
21:06 * magnuse     goes to crete tomorrow
21:06 * magnuse     needs some sleep
21:06 magnuse       maybe send a mail to the lists about it?
21:06 rangi         :)
21:05 magnuse       thanks for being around at just the right time, rangi :-)
21:05 magnuse       *exploded
21:05 magnuse       phew, good thing nothing exploed
21:02 huginn        rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:02 rangi         @later tell eythian it looks like the 3.10.6 package is really still just 3.10.5
21:01 magnuse       ok, i'll just wait for 3.10.06-2 then :-)
21:01 rangi         yeah
21:01 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7054 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , NORMARC: wrong default for 000 position 17
21:01 magnuse       a quick look for the changes made on bug 7054 confirms that
20:57 rangi         itd be pretty impossible to build a package with only some of the commits since 3.10.5
20:57 magnuse       ah yeah, guess that makes sense
20:57 rangi         ie its just 3.10.5
20:57 rangi         if the db changes arent there probably none of it is there
20:57 rangi         magnuse: unlikely your code is out of sync
20:56 magnuse       nope "E: Version '3.10.05-1' for 'koha-common' was not found"
20:53 magnuse       hm, that means my code and db are not in sync... how to downgrade? "sudo apt-get install koha-common=3.10.05-1"?
20:52 magnuse       s/mu/my/
20:47 rangi         right hmm we'll have to check with eythian
20:46 magnuse       yeah, mu updatedatabase.pl has no updates after 3.10.05.000
20:46 rangi         sorry 3.10.5
20:46 rangi         it looks like the 3.10.6 is actually still 3.10.6 ?
20:46 magnuse       when i look at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl the last version is 3.10.05.000
20:46 rangi         but thats the not the source of your problem, thats just cosmetic
20:45 rangi         yeah, it should be 3.10.06.000
20:45 magnuse       last version there is 3.10.05.003
20:45 magnuse       http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=96be1dc7c7f64e86ebcfa6562977c380a2674c7f;hb=refs/heads/3.10.x#l6249
20:43 rangi         ill check
20:43 rangi         hmm i might have missed the version hup
20:42 magnuse       about says "3.10.05.000" after the upgrade
20:42 magnuse       hm, something is not right with that upgrade
20:40 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations
20:40 magnuse       rangi: bz says bug 10041 is pushed to stable - "Pushed to 3.10.x will be in 3.10.6" even - but i get "koha-translate: command not found"
20:36 * magnuse     upgrades to 3.10.6
20:28 rangi         heh
20:28 drojf         hehe
20:27 gmcharlt      ;)
20:27 gmcharlt      rangi: STOP SOWING BUGS!!!!
20:27 drojf         i wonder who came up with the idea that a smartphone should drop the wifi connection in standby… but use the data connection that needs more power and might cost extra money
20:27 cait          oh showing
20:27 cait          sowing?
20:21 rangi         yeah, the only thing i havent bent it into doing yet is sowing the signed off one
20:20 drojf         that BAM thing is pretty cool!
20:19 rangi         nice
20:19 drojf         (no idea how it did that)
20:19 drojf         like, with the real gps and without rebooting the phone ^^
20:19 drojf         i think it actually works a little now
20:19 rangi         yay!
20:19 drojf         i will download wellington for you ;)
20:19 rangi         :)
20:18 rangi         it doesnt work so well in wellington
20:18 rangi         i keep crashign into everything
20:18 drojf         :D
20:18 rangi         i did bwahah
20:18 huginn        rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on May 25, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
20:18 drojf         i hope nobody has that actually installed from the marketplace
20:18 rangi         @wunder nzwn
20:18 magnuse       heh, not much better now
20:18 rangi         we need some signoffs
20:18 drojf         cait: it's my own, i update all the time ;)
20:18 rangi         http://bugs.koha-community.org/BAM/index.php?s=Koha&p=Koha
20:18 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (9:50 PM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
20:18 magnuse       @wunder boo
20:18 cait          brr
20:18 huginn        cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 5.0°C (10:00 PM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
20:18 cait          @wunder konstanz
20:18 huginn        cait: Error: No such location could be found.
20:18 cait          @wunder wellington
20:18 cait          hi rangi
20:17 drojf         hi rangi
20:17 pianohacker   hi rangi
20:17 magnuse       kia ora rangi!
20:16 rangi         morning
20:16 cait          update?
20:16 cait          heh
20:15 drojf         oh no. drawing the path i walked into my map app might actually work now. that means i have to leave the house to test it. life is hard :P
20:14 drojf         heh
20:14 wahanui       hmmm... pizza is in the oven.
20:14 cait          pizza?
20:14 drojf         10:14pm on a friday. so what? :P
20:12 mtompset      Shoot! 4:12pm on a Friday. Better run. Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
20:03 magnuse       :-)
20:02 mtompset      magnuse++
20:02 mtompset      anyways... thanks for the attempt, magnuse.
20:01 mtompset      I'd like something WITHOUT a borrowers record.
20:01 mtompset      I notice that the persona needs a matching email address in the borrowers table though. :(
19:59 magnuse       short answer: not very (at least not in koha)
19:59 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9587 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Allow login via mozilla persona - https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/persona/
19:59 magnuse       bug 9587
19:58 mtompset      Because on a related note, the question I have is how much information needs to be in the a_session field for the user to get logged in. :)
19:57 mtompset      Are you familiar with sessions, magnuse? ;)
19:57 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1202: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1202/
19:57 mtompset      I'll probably end up doing that over the weekend. I suspect it is using a backchannel method, because I can't get it to work through my proxy and local VMs.
19:56 magnuse       ooh, way above my head, but maybe look at how persona was implemented?
19:56 mtompset      the redirect back to Koha would be a two part step. The first part would call a script that fakes the log in (back channel), and the second part would be the redirect to the apparent OPAC main screen (front channel).
19:53 mtompset      ^what^way^
19:52 mtompset      redirect back to Koha in a what that Koha considers the user logged in. :)
19:52 mtompset      redirect back to SimpleSAMLPHP after authenticating.
19:52 mtompset      redirect to OpenIDP
19:52 mtompset      redirect to SimpleSAMLPHP
19:52 mtompset      click link on OPAC login screen.
19:51 mtompset      back channel authentication. :P
19:51 wahanui       "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
19:51 magnuse       first question?
19:36 mtompset      So, anyone know how to get Koha to think a user is authenticated if you know their name (first, last, full) and email address?
19:33 mtompset      YAY! The channel is alive, sort of. :)
19:33 pianohacker   hi mtompset
19:31 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
18:43 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1202 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:42 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9161 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Translate only specific files
18:42 jenkins_koha  * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9161: Followup: the -f param does not work correctly
18:42 jenkins_koha  * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9161: Translate only specific files
18:42 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1201: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1201/
18:40 * druthb      rules that jcamins has used up his quota of k keystrokes for the week.
18:39 jcamins       In charge of protecting the Kartoffelkrokettenesseren from the Kartoffelkrokettenkrokodile?
18:38 Dyrcona       Geman is fun. You just jam nouns together and new words!
18:37 jcamins       lol
18:37 Dyrcona       grounds keeper of the potato cake factory.
18:37 cait          arbeiter :)
18:37 jcamins       Dyrcona: Potato cake manufacturer empoyee?
18:37 cait          ooh
18:36 druthb        There is one, yes.
18:36 Dyrcona       magnuse: yes.
18:35 * magnuse     wonders if there will be arby's in reno
18:35 Dyrcona       kartofflekrokettensfabriklandsgearbeiter?
18:34 drojf         kartoffelkrokettenkrokodile
18:33 cait          that's the plural :)
18:33 druthb        kartoffelkroketten, the plural, cait?
18:33 pianohacker   druthb: I don't know if those are the same, but man they sound good
18:32 Dyrcona       Hardee's.
18:32 druthb        (kartoffelkrokette?  close)
18:32 * Dyrcona     show his age.
18:32 Dyrcona       Arby's used to be Burger Chef, didn't it? Or, was that Hardee's?
18:32 druthb        and potato cakes!
18:32 cait          :)
18:32 cait          oh yum
18:32 bshum         And mozzarella cheese sticks!
18:31 pianohacker   arby's is a fast food place with unnaturally good roast beef and curly fries
18:31 cait          it's friday :)
18:31 wahanui       i guess everything is grilled
18:31 cait          everything.
18:30 pianohacker   about the arby's, or the cataloging? :)
18:30 * cait        is confused now
18:30 pianohacker   hehehe
18:30 * Dyrcona     offers a mix of tree nuts and legumes.
18:29 druthb        Tater cakes, please, and a beef and cheddar.  Thanx, pianohacker.
18:29 pianohacker   now I want arby's. curses
18:29 pianohacker   curly braces! so curly
18:29 * jcamins     rejects FRBR totally, and uses JSON.
18:29 pianohacker   ahh, much better
18:28 * druthb      renders FRBR in JSON, so pianohacker will love it.
18:28 * pianohacker should be taken with a grain of salt, as he hates XML-based formats in general
18:27 druthb        totally.
18:27 magnuse       rda is fair game, isn't it?
18:26 jcamins       Dyrcona: not anymore.
18:26 druthb        caitsnack cookie
18:26 * Dyrcona     wonders if he is the only one who thinks FRBR looks like someone trying to write down what a wet fart sounds like.
18:26 drojf         all that blaming makes you forget who the real enemy is
18:25 jcamins       I am blaming FRBR.
18:25 druthb        !
18:25 jcamins       Speak for yourself.
18:25 cait          maybe we should blame druthb
18:25 magnuse       oh noes
18:25 cait          hm not sure we can do that
18:25 druthb        Hi cait!  we're blaming magnuse this afternoon.
18:24 * druthb      blames magnuse.
18:24 * magnuse     will not pick a fight about rdf ;-)
17:53 pianohacker   that horrible, inelegant mess causes more problems than it solves
17:53 pianohacker   I will implement a beautiful ontology if you give me something that has absolutely nothing to do with RDF, in any way, shape, influence or ancestry
17:52 gmcharlt      my preference would be a FRBR that is more about expressing relationships and less about trying to fit things into a hierarchy
17:51 jcamins       how many libraries are there in the world?
17:51 jcamins       And...
17:51 jcamins       And four.
17:51 jcamins       And three.
17:51 jcamins       Slice up the world in a way that has no bearing on reality, and, damn it, your slice doesn't coincide with my slice, so now we need two slices.
17:51 jcamins       And everyone could benefit.
17:51 jcamins       ^^ and that's why FRBR doesn't work. With a reasonable ontology, your friend would be smiling broadly and enhancing the copy- and domain-specific features of that record.
17:50 druthb        Oh, sure, pianohacker.  The mentality of *my data, dammit* is one of the problems that the industry faces.
17:50 pianohacker   jcamins: I might have to look him up, sounds cool
17:50 pianohacker   I see the look on my friend's face, just clear as day
17:49 jcamins       James Ascher. He's a rare books cataloger there.
17:49 pianohacker   I don't know... the thing is, when you say "Just use those records from that cataloger over there! He catalogs _slightly_ different than you, but that won't bother you, right?"
17:49 jcamins       pianohacker: a friend of mine at CU Boulder does a great "why FRBR is broken" speech.
17:49 jcamins       druthb: ... making FRBR ever work *as well as it is going to* ... <-- FTFY
17:48 pianohacker   jcamins: Golden, actually, but only about 30 minutes south of there
17:48 druthb        pianohacker: Fair 'nuf.  That's why eliminating the "everyone owns a silo" model is a *huge* part of making FRBR ever *really* work.  Spread the load.
17:48 jcamins       pianohacker: I just realized you're somewhere in that area.
17:48 jcamins       pianohacker: are you in Boulder?
17:48 gmcharlt      and it's not just the catalogers ... I'm sure more than a few library administrators would like some assurance that the the potentially very high cost of a swithc would be worth it
17:47 jcamins       pianohacker: you wouldn't. It's not a library thing.
17:47 pianohacker   jcamins: okay, thanks. was curious, as I hadn't heard much of this before
17:47 jcamins       David Vandermeulen's "Where angels fear to tread."
17:47 pianohacker   druthb: I don't know if we should make catalogers suffer more than they already do, we don't need that many detail-oriented people revolting
17:47 jcamins       pianohacker: Gaskell, Bowers, Belanger's article, etc., etc.
17:46 druthb        (To borrow from Roy Tennant, it may still be lipstick on a pig, but it's a new shade…and one that empowers *finders*, at the cost of some suffering for catalogers, particularly if everyone keeps their own copy, like so many do now.)
17:46 pianohacker   [citation needed] :)
17:46 jcamins       I am talking about bibliographic analysis.
17:45 jcamins       *cataloging
17:45 jcamins       Note I am _not_ talking about cataloing.
17:45 jcamins       That jargon, though arcane, is equally applicable to ebooks.
17:45 jcamins       pianohacker: in the past hundred or so years, we have learned how to describe the publication patterns of books (i.e. bibliographical analysis) in a meaningful way.
17:44 druthb        …what it *does* help, if fully and well-implemented, is broader, more-useful discovery.
17:44 druthb        jcamins: it's as sound as any other voodoo; it's cram full of arbitrariness, like *every other* system.  But a lot here rides on how you define "bibliographic analysis."  To me, FRBR doesn't help what I think of when I hear that—or not much.
17:44 pianohacker   woah, empirically proven? Those are quite strong words to use in a cataloging setting. What specifically do you mean?
17:43 jcamins       If you aren't interested in bibliographic analysis, don't obfuscate your goals and try to redefine existing terms just to sound important.
17:43 jcamins       If you want to do true bibliographic analysis, use the empirically proven categories of bibliographic analysis.
17:42 jcamins       druthb: it's an improvement over MARC, sure, but FRBR is hardly a theoretically sound basis.
17:42 druthb        The other hickey is "as the size of the data store grows".  As long as each library has its' very own silo of data, the true value of the FRBR conceptual model just won't get realized.
17:41 druthb        As a mechanism for *discovery*, it's a vast improvement over MARC of any flavor, IMO.  As a tool for *inventory*, it's more-complicated than MARC, and that seems to be what makes some catalogers nervous.  But it's no better or worse at the job.
17:41 msaby         and for bibframe, this sentence is silly "Each BIBFRAME Instance is an instance of one and only one BIBFRAME Work." Means all the work made on FRBR is lost. Like, if we were in 1997
17:41 bag           druthb: we enjoyed the movie
17:40 pianohacker   drojf: that's pretty much exactly my view :)
17:40 druthb        The conceptual model provides all sorts of value, in the possibility of deep, non-trivial linking of things, as the size of the data store grows.  "I like Anne Rice; show me other authors who have lived in New Orleans," for instance.
17:40 drojf         i had to learn some marc21 so i want to keep it forever :P
17:40 pianohacker   thanks wahanui
17:40 wahanui       categories are only coming up with special types
17:40 pianohacker   categories?
17:39 msaby         druthb that's exactly the opinion of french national library and university lib network
17:39 * jcamins     shakes his head dolefully.
17:39 jcamins       The reasoning behind needing it was sound, but the categories they selected...
17:38 * jcamins     is anti-FRBR.
17:38 * druthb      dislikes RDA; in my (admittedly uneducated) opinion, it misses the mark completely on what make the FRBR concept valuable, and is just preserving the status quo.
17:37 pianohacker   The closest I've ever wanted to get was a FRBR discussion back in 2010 in colorado; didn't go, but my cataloger friend said they spent much time on productive questions like "what exactly is an author, really?"
17:36 jcamins       Too painful to even consider.
17:36 jcamins       Nor the RDA list.
17:36 jcamins       gmcharlt: I don't follow the bibframe list.
17:36 gmcharlt      the discussiones on the bibframe list have certainly been ... energetic
17:35 jcamins       Agreed.
17:35 jcamins       Hehe.
17:33 msaby         and Bibframe, pfffffftttt.
17:33 * Dyrcona     is not happy with RDA either.
17:33 jcamins       msaby: we're not happy with RDA here either, don't worry.
17:33 Dyrcona       Evergreen is basically stuck at Xulrunner 14 because after that, features we use disappear.
17:33 msaby         jcamins : we are not happy with RDA here. We hoped it could take profit of some UNIMARC features. So, not sure we will have RDA one day
17:32 Dyrcona       Xulrunner 3.6.x is basically the same as xulrunner 1.9.x. After that it tracks more closely to firefox versions.
17:31 jcamins       msaby: UNIMARC authority records are just generally better... regular MARC21 authorities don't contain any biographical information, really.
17:31 pianohacker   probably; back in the day xulrunner changed directions about every other week
17:30 jcamins       pianohacker: I believe after 1.9.2 they changed the way xulrunner worked, but Dyrcona can confirm.
17:30 msaby         for me the main advantage of unimarc is linking bibs to auth using identifiers, and not string
17:30 drojf         lol
17:29 jcamins       drojf: the only thing that I will do with MARC in a tree is string it up for the birds to peck at.
17:29 msaby         never realized that for 100 field
17:29 pianohacker   my goodness, that's an old xulrunner
17:29 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1201 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:29 drojf         jcamins and unimarc sittin' in a tree…
17:29 * msaby       ♥ @jcamins
17:29 oleonard      Have a nice weekend #koha
17:29 jcamins       Except, of course, for the fact that the 100 field is different lengths depending on whether you have an authority or a bib record, which is silly.
17:29 * oleonard    quits early
17:28 jcamins       msaby: it's a shame, because UNIMARC is better than MARC21, mostly.
17:28 msaby         sometimes, as a unimarc user, I feel like a black sheep :(
17:28 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10120 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Fine recalculation on return needs to be a system preference
17:28 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 10120: DBRev 3.13.00.006
17:28 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: Bug 10120: Adding a syspref to control if overdue charges are updated on return
17:28 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1200: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1200/
17:28 jcamins       You have nothing to lose but your wacky varying fixed field lengths!
17:27 drojf         yay. unimarc people unite!
17:27 jcamins       msaby++
17:27 msaby         well, I'm going to test his patchs
17:24 jcamins       Janusz isn't around #koha much, I don't think.
17:23 msaby         do you know him? From his name, he seems to be a Pole
17:23 msaby         happy to see sbdy posted UNIMARC related patch in Bugzilla
17:22 drojf         hi msaby
17:18 msaby         hello #koha
17:05 kf            bye all
16:23 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9161: Followup: the -f param does not work correctly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37234811a518f4446a5564e954df2aa34d606633> / Bug 9161: Translate only specific files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=65258180761ecd0df91441f01207f18ccc10936e>
16:13 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1200 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:12 kf            gmcharlt++ :)
16:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add Koha TT Plugin
16:12 jenkins_koha  Kyle M Hall: Bug 10206 - Add Koha TT Plugin - Koha.Preference
16:12 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1199: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1199/
15:53 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10120: DBRev 3.13.00.006 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=022e5974a3de505ee5019aaba7f1a80f42eda21c> / Bug 10120: Adding a syspref to control if overdue charges are updated on return <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc61bd30186b0305579c5dee0a14f9d2733cd5db>
15:22 rambutan      ah, nobody advised me of the change order
15:22 gmcharlt      it's actually going to be dancing kitties
15:22 gmcharlt      rambutan: you hear wrong
15:15 rambutan      Koha v4.12 is going to have little dancing blue cows in the lower right hand corner, I hear.
15:02 jcamins       3.12 is so much prettier.
15:02 jcamins       You know, using 3.10.x is a real let-down.
14:55 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1199 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:52 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10206 - Add Koha TT Plugin - Koha.Preference <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e10f6fb78ae7fa2dfc4f52a3791ac35082237ac>
14:50 rambutan      I haven't met a chat client yet I really truly liked.
14:47 rambutan      well, I see rambutan1, lemme log off/on
14:47 jcamins       There is no rambutan1.
14:47 rambutan      tried command, didn't do anything. rambutan1 is not a registered nick
14:47 jcamins       Bwahaha!
14:46 alex_a        not nickserv
14:46 rambutan      does have a certain ring to it, doesn't it?
14:46 alex_a        /msg nickserv ghost username password
14:46 oleonard      "Rambutan: Ghost Command" sounds like an awesome action flick.
14:45 rambutan      ?
14:45 alex_a        rambutan: ghost command
14:45 rambutan      can a sysop kick rambutan1 plz?
14:41 druthb        hi, oleonard!  Puh.
14:39 jcamins       Right next to me on the desk is a book entitled "Les <<Poulains>> de Corinthe."
14:36 kf            hi oleonard
14:35 oleonard      puh.
14:28 druthb        puh.  I don't need a warning!
14:28 kf            they are only warning you from me I guess :)
14:27 * druthb      wields pointy stick, to defend herself from the bots.
14:26 wahanui       Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
14:26 huginn        GERMS!!!!
14:24 huginn        gmcharlt: Quote #174: "paul_p I answer to SLEF" (added by Brooke at 10:16 AM, January 04, 2012)
14:24 gmcharlt      @quote random
14:12 druthb        kf++
14:08 magnuse       kf++
14:08 magnuse       yes, that fixed it!
14:06 magnuse       ah, i might miss the user with permissions, perhaps
14:06 magnuse       a littlebit
14:04 kf            magnuse: still around?
13:58 * drojf       leaves
13:40 pastebot      "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "any sip2 experts able to see what is going wrong here?" (345 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/25
13:03 oleonard      jcamins: That seems logical
13:03 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS  Notes de version de Koha 3.12 (Traduction française) http://t.co/Mg03WE2YRj"
13:02 jcamins       OpacAdditionalStylesheet
13:00 * oleonard    proposes renaming opaccolorstylesheet but doesn't have a good suggestion for what to rename it to
12:27 tcohen        druthb_away: power supply problem, looks like the generator didn't wake up
12:25 magnuse       hiya tcohen
12:25 tcohen        morning #koha
12:21 * magnuse     gets to test the new koha-*-sip scripts
12:12 oleonard      Hi #koha
12:02 magnuse       yay
12:02 Viktor        magnuse - Yep. I'll email you the documentation so you can have a look.
11:59 magnuse       Viktor: sounds like we got some figuring out to do :-)
11:52 Viktor        magnuse Great if it still works. The only requirements are "opac holdings" in Z39.50 and that the Libris-id (we'll get that when we have the new records) is searchable.
11:52 drojf         [off] there is no reference to k-c.org or the mailing lists, just the contact data of vimal in the readme. i suppose all live dvd questions will go there
11:50 magnuse       mindsweeper sounds like a fun game, though
11:49 koha          minesweeper
11:49 koha          jcamins it comes with sudoku and mindesweeper
11:48 magnuse       [off] Viktor: http://wiki.biblab.no/wiki/Koha,_Z39.50_og_eksemplarstatus not sure if it is still accurate, though
11:48 jcamins       drojf: since you're testing the live dvd, I am referring all live dvd questions to you from now on.
11:48 koha          hello from inside a koha livedvd ...
11:47 Viktor        (looking for more info)
11:46 Viktor        The national service has a custom script to translate from Z39.50 to their API
11:46 jcamins       That would be my interpretation as well.
11:46 magnuse       we have the items in z30.50 and sru, as far as i know, but the problem is that the national service would need to know how to interpret our item info
11:44 Viktor        Thanks for the tip kf It's a really small API. Really just id-number as input and returning some XML with a few fields.
11:42 kf            Viktor: i think sru has the items too - but maybe a custom api using ils-di as base would be nicer (and maybe faster)
11:39 Viktor        jcamins Ok. I guess we'll go with a the API and make it a part of "activate settings for sweden"
11:38 jcamins       Viktor: item records are included in the Z39.50 results, but I suspect the custom API will make more sense.
11:38 Viktor        I guess magnuse and I will have a chat about it later :) I
11:37 Viktor        We will want to show availability in the large national catalogue and it can either be done with Z39.50 or complying with a custom API.
11:36 Viktor        And hi magnuse!
11:36 Viktor        Thanks kf and jcamins
11:34 magnuse       jcamins: yay! :-)
11:34 wahanui       i think kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
11:34 kf            and me?
11:34 kf            :)
11:34 jcamins       magnuse: I'll get as much as I can fit in the freezer, and when you're in NYC you can use some too. :)
11:34 magnuse       and hiya Viktor
11:34 jcamins       Hehe.
11:33 magnuse       jcamins: can you get some for me too?
11:31 jcamins       Woohoo! Frozen spinach is on sale!
11:31 jcamins       Viktor: no, the only record type Koha supports is MARC.
11:26 kf            Viktor: sorry, not sure
11:23 Viktor        (Good looking code btw)
11:23 Viktor        (And no I'm not yet a Koha hacker - but I'm learning Github and having a look at the code once in a while)
11:22 Viktor        Does Koha support "Opac holdings" in the Z39.50 server?
11:21 Viktor        Hi kf!
11:20 kf            hi Viktor
11:20 Viktor        Greetings!
11:19 kf            vfernandes: no need to be sorry - i just happened to test that fix
10:40 vfernandes    sorry kf... so is a bug of javascript
10:32 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu
10:32 kf            bug 10225
10:31 kf            if it's that they can uese the edit item link from the context menu (cickingin a field) that has been fixed
10:31 kf            sorr,y now i was too slow
10:31 kf            vfernandes: thee was one bug fixed witht he context menu
10:27 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10322 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , IndependentBranches - can edit items from other branches
10:27 vfernandes    bug 10322 filled
10:25 drojf         maybe i am confusing it with something else though
10:24 drojf         i think there was some talk here about that… because i remember learning that on superlibrarians while reading about it
10:23 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Les notes de version de #Kohails 3.12 sont désormais disponibles en français. - http://t.co/NbEsIpzD5r"
10:22 vfernandes    they aren't superlibrarians
10:22 drojf         heh
10:22 * magnuse     foresees a lot of fun with independentbranches/independantbranches in the future ;-)
10:21 drojf         i think there was a bug like that, but i don't have time to search for it
10:21 drojf         are they superlibrarians? i think those are supposed to be able to change from all branches
10:21 drojf         hm there are even more with different spelling. independent branches. independantbranches
10:20 vfernandes    they are users with editcatalogue permissions
10:20 vfernandes    they aren't superlibrarian...
10:20 vfernandes    the bug that i've said isn't in that list... should I open a new one?
10:20 magnuse       vfernandes: i think superlibrarians can change items from any branch - could that be it?
10:17 drojf         vfernandes: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__all__&content=independentbranches&list_id=62759&product=Koha&query_format=specific&order=bug_status%2Crelevance%20DESC&query_based_on=
10:10 vfernandes    the problem that i'm having in 3.8 is that the librarians can change items from other libraries
10:08 vfernandes    there are any bugs associated to IndependentBranches?
10:08 vfernandes    hello :)
09:35 magnuse       ouch
09:35 kf            we turned the heatng on again in the office
09:35 kf            it is
09:35 huginn        rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
09:35 rangi         @wunder nzwn
09:34 magnuse       wow kf, that's positively cold!
09:29 huginn        kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.7°C (11:25 AM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
09:29 kf            @wunder Konstanz
09:29 huginn        kf: Error: No such location could be found.
09:29 kf            @wunder Berlin
09:25 huginn        drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 14.2°C (11:13 AM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
09:25 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
09:14 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Technical University of Crete, Chania, Greece is 21.8°C (11:40 AM EEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
09:14 magnuse       @wunder chania
09:14 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
09:14 magnuse       @wunder boo
07:48 drojf         seems like oftc has some issues with ssl certificates?! i could not reconnect for a while
07:47 dcook         Night #koha. Perhaps I'll see some of you over the next few days...
07:47 * dcook       waves to drojf
07:36 kf            hi #koha, hi wahanui
07:36 wahanui       Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:36 huginn        GERMS!!!!
07:15 christophe_c  hello #koha
07:09 samueld       hey dcook
07:08 dcook         hey ya samueld
07:05 magnuse       drojf: actually the opac worked better than i expected :-)
07:00 samueld       hi everybody
07:00 drojf         (i bet he already did)
07:00 drojf         maybe oleonard can optimize koha for lynx :D
06:59 drojf         i wonder how well it works with koha
06:58 drojf         :)
06:57 magnuse       heh, looks like it's part of the default ubuntu setup :-)
06:55 magnuse       hehe, yeah
06:54 drojf         :P
06:54 drojf         magnuse: well, you can always use lynx
06:53 magnuse       dcook++
06:53 magnuse       drojf: 21
06:53 * dcook       goes back to frantic coding
06:52 dcook         magnuse: I lost patience with Firefox a while ago for that reason
06:51 drojf         looks like something got better. which version are you using magnuse?
06:51 drojf         oh, i lied. 350mb atm for my firefox.
06:51 drojf         hi alex_a_
06:50 drojf         i wonder how that works with the firefox os phones. only 512mb ram, i never see my desktop firefox browser use that "little", but it seems to work for a whole os based on it :D
06:50 alex_a_       bonjour !
06:49 magnuse       and my poor old mac mini is not too well endowed in the memory department these days
06:47 magnuse       it's a bit of a memory hog
06:46 drojf         whats wrong with firefox?
06:46 * magnuse     loses patience with firefox
06:42 reiveune      hello
06:35 drojf         [off] i demand a whole kohalivedvdcon
06:34 drojf         [off] so brooke proposed to have the live dvd at kohacon? speaking of trolly…
06:24 cait          hi all
06:22 * magnuse     waves
06:21 jajm          hello
06:20 drojf         good morning #koha
06:00 mtompset      Have a good day (24 hour period).
06:00 mtompset      I should get some sleep.
05:54 mtompset      Just learned about INSERT IGNORE... nice option.
05:54 mtompset      Sorry, I don't know.
05:54 aj_           What script am i suppose to run in order to send SMS?
05:53 aj_           what am i suppose to send sms?
05:53 aj_           SMS is pending
05:53 aj_           http://awesomescreenshot.com/0371badw74
05:39 cait          good side on my bread going green? warm croissant :)
05:36 huginn        cait: Quote #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe" (added by kf at 08:45 AM, September 13, 2010)
05:36 cait          @quote random
05:22 huginn        mtompset: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
05:22 mtompset      @quote get 6
05:15 cait          ah yeah... he never liked my cookies, bug him
05:14 cait          !huginn botsnack cookie
05:14 huginn        cait: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
05:14 cait          huginn botsnack cookie
05:14 cait          no bugging the bot!
05:11 cjh           for science!
05:11 cjh           so you could write a bot to bug him :)
05:11 cjh           he responds in private chat /msg huginn @quote random #koha
05:10 mtompset      Wait a second... if #251 is the last, but @quote stats says there are only 239... which ones are missing? I hate being curious about useless things.
05:09 cait          hi cjh :)
05:09 cjh           evening cait :)
05:08 cait          hi #koha
05:05 mtompset      I would say there are 251 quotes, but that will become more and more inaccurate, much like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy trilogy. ;)
05:05 mtompset      I would say there are 251 quotes, but that will become more and more inaccurate, much like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. ;)
05:04 huginn        mtompset: Quote #251: "<zebran00b> I'm thinking there's a regular expression for this" (added by wizzyrea at 04:56 AM, May 24, 2013)
05:04 mtompset      @quote get 251
05:04 huginn        mtompset: Error: There is no Quote with id #252 in my database for #koha.
05:04 mtompset      @quote get 252
05:04 huginn        mtompset: Error: There is no Quote with id #255 in my database for #koha.
05:04 mtompset      @quote get 255
05:04 huginn        mtompset: Error: There is no Quote with id #260 in my database for #koha.
05:04 mtompset      @quote get 260
05:03 mtompset      Greetings, cait.
05:02 mtompset      wizzyrea: your quote flooding smells of wine. :P
05:01 mtompset      Oh wait... There's a diacritic marking.
05:01 mtompset      grandchild?
05:00 cjh           > apent. third-person plural future active indicative of apō
05:00 wizzyrea      can't type, clearly
05:00 wizzyrea      or someting
05:00 wizzyrea      or repenting
05:00 wizzyrea      spent
05:00 wizzyrea      aaaand I'm apent.
05:00 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #250: "<cjh> This code smells of wine." (added by wizzyrea at 04:52 AM, May 24, 2013)
05:00 wizzyrea      @quote get 250
05:00 huginn        wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #270 in my database for #koha.
05:00 wizzyrea      @quote get 270
05:00 wizzyrea      there are like 270something
04:59 wizzyrea      oh god.
04:59 cjh           maybe we need a "@quote all" command
04:59 wahanui       i already had it that way, huginn.
04:59 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #62: "<fallor> is this a known thingy?" (added by gmcharlt at 01:18 PM, February 26, 2010)
04:59 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:59 wizzyrea      gosh we are super witty
04:59 wahanui       i already had it that way, huginn.
04:59 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #166: "jcamins: this is IRC. There's a several decade long tradition of lurking." (added by wizzyrea at 03:06 PM, November 17, 2011)
04:59 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:59 wahanui       i already had it that way, huginn.
04:59 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #225: "eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding." (added by wizzyrea at 09:44 PM, December 19, 2012)
04:59 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:59 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #227: "wizzyrea: lol, you should have searched for paroxysms" (added by druthb at 12:40 AM, December 28, 2012)
04:59 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:59 wizzyrea      kekekekekeke
04:59 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #221: "I used to be sane like you, until I took a MARC data to the knee" (added by chrisc at 09:28 PM, October 23, 2012)
04:59 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:58 wizzyrea      I'll stop soon... aomost hometime
04:58 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012)
04:58 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:58 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #152: "gmcharlt: Koha: unifying the world one library at a time" (added by wizzyrea at 02:19 PM, September 13, 2011)
04:58 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:58 mtompset      And frequently, I step on git's toes. :P
04:58 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009)
04:58 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:58 wahanui       i already had it that way, huginn.
04:58 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #120: "<sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits" (added by gmcharlt at 05:57 PM, January 27, 2011)
04:58 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:58 wizzyrea      <3
04:58 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #208: "<mtompset> Tonight... I tango with git." (added by jcamins at 03:01 PM, June 28, 2012)
04:58 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:58 wizzyrea      *snicker*
04:57 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #47: "pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car" (added by brendan at 10:15 PM, November 16, 2009)
04:57 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:57 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #52: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers" (added by gmcharlt at 08:50 PM, January 28, 2010)
04:57 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:57 wizzyrea      true.
04:57 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
04:57 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:57 wizzyrea      *snicker*
04:57 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #219: "You can't hit a perl module in the face. You can only hit it in its package!" (added by wizzyrea at 03:03 PM, October 10, 2012)
04:57 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:57 wizzyrea      that's a good one.
04:57 * wizzyrea    giggles
04:57 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #114: "chris_n: maybe you mean black magic with reference to zebra? ;-) ; wizzyrea: correction: black magic of zebra :D ; sekjal: correction: black and white striped magic of zebra .... ; rhcl: zebra sounds like a skunk ; chris_n thinks is may smell occasionally too, like a pole cat." (added by wizzyrea at 04:49 PM, January 18, 2011)
04:56 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:56 wahanui       i already had it that way, huginn.
04:56 huginn        wizzyrea: Quote #51: "jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 07:35 PM, January 20, 2010)
04:56 wizzyrea      @quote random
04:56 cjh           heh
04:56 huginn        wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #251 added.
04:56 wizzyrea      @quote add <zebran00b> I'm thinking there's a regular expression for this
04:55 zebran00b     I'm thinking there's a regular expression for this
04:49 mtompset      And unfortunately, my library colleague who I would ask is probably on lunch right now.
04:47 mtompset      And sadly, neither would I.
04:43 zebran00b     I guess another possibility is to modify the MARC framework in Koha somehow, but I wouldn't know where to begin
04:43 zebran00b     yup
04:42 mtompset      Oh. Yuck. That would be bad.
04:42 zebran00b     doing a second swap adds a second $o to the first 952
04:39 mtompset      Assuming that your swap leaves 090$a$b intact, does doing the swap again update the second one?
04:38 mtompset      Okay, I have a counter question, because I'm not a marcedit ninja.
04:31 zebran00b     When I swap 090$a$b to 952$o in MarcEdit for books with multiple copies/volumes, it only gets added to the first item
04:25 mtompset      Not I, but you could ask your question anyways. :)
04:23 zebran00b     is there a marcedit ninja in the house?
04:18 mtompset      Are you trying to teach wahanui to be a boozer, eythian?
04:08 trea          mayhap so
04:06 eythian       :<
04:06 eythian       ...
04:06 eythian       wahanui: is it beer o'clock yet?
03:19 mtompset      Ah.
03:18 eythian       To find records that match a problematic pattern for my migration scripts, say.
03:18 eythian       no, from the MARC records I work on on disk
03:18 mtompset      would you do it from the XML field or the koha table fields?
03:17 mtompset      That would be useful. :)
03:07 eythian       I think I've said that before.
03:07 * eythian     really needs to make a marcgrep that extracts records that only match a pattern.
02:43 dcook         Mrow
02:43 huginn        dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (12:30 PM EST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
02:43 dcook         @wunder sydney, australia
02:41 wizzyrea      nice to see a humidity somewhere below 80%
02:41 wizzyrea      hm that's quite nice actually
02:41 huginn        wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (2:00 PM NZST on May 24, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
02:41 wizzyrea      @wunder nzwn
02:41 * dcook       might be slightly exaggerating
02:41 dcook         I think my hands are turning purple
02:40 dcook         It's rather cold in the office today...
02:40 dcook         hehe, true as
02:40 wizzyrea      it's not such a stretch to pretend you're in antarctica from here :P
02:39 dcook         :p
02:38 wizzyrea      oh LOVE montreal... not OF montreal.
02:37 wizzyrea      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8cCPH1qnYI
02:36 dcook         [off] Love Montreal
02:36 dcook         [off] Too bad my French isn't better...
02:34 dcook         hehe
02:33 * wizzyrea    notices you are discussing benedict cumberbatch - swoons.
02:32 eythian       I had trouble not seeing him as Sherlock Holmes.
02:31 mtompset      And the new Star Trek movie is interesting. Though, the villan's character doesn't work for me.
02:24 wahanui       OK, eythian.
02:24 eythian       wahanui: eat paste is <reply>http://dangerousminds.net/comments/headstone_reads_unknown_man_died_eating_library_paste_1908
02:24 wahanui       eythian: sorry...
02:24 eythian       wahanui: eat paste
02:23 wahanui       I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org
02:23 eythian       wahanui: paste
02:23 mtompset      I just woke up from an early evening nap.
02:23 mtompset      I think that is what I'm doing now.
02:23 druthb        hehe
02:22 eythian       I've been teaching myself to sleep-IRC, if that helps any.
02:22 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @ranginui: "who wants to work on #KohaILS in montreal? http://t.co/8IwJC2cB6E"
02:22 druthb        mtompset: you can assume eythian is being sarcastic--or at least mildly ironic--any time he's awake.   :)
02:20 * mtompset    agrees with wizzyrea.
02:20 * mtompset    agree with wizzyrea.
02:20 eythian       pity, they could have been good I reckon
02:19 * wizzyrea    wonders where eythian's sarcasm mark is
02:19 eythian       No, they never made 1-3. I remember them talking about it though.
02:19 wizzyrea      errrr
02:19 mtompset      You have episodes 1 through 6, though 4-6 came first.
02:18 eythian       *movies.
02:18 eythian       mtompset: 3 mocies.
02:16 mtompset      Star Wars is 6 movies, though the pre-quels kind of sucked by comparison.
01:02 dcook         Wish that I would've been at that meeting...my talk could have 15 minutes shaved off as well
01:01 dcook         Wow, 63 people for Kohacon. Not bad
00:59 dcook         I said last night that I was proud of my nerdiness though, so I'll stand by it :p
00:59 * dcook       says feeling like such a stereotype
00:59 dcook         True, although I thought the Star Wars novels added quite a bit to the universe
00:58 dcook         :p
00:58 cjh           and beaten to the punch line too :)
00:58 cjh           s/was/were/
00:58 cjh           I thought there was only 3 star wars movies?
00:57 eythian       The problem is, star wars is only 3 movies, whereas star trek as a lot more canon to draw from
00:57 dcook         I think I've just blocked out the newer Star Wars movies
00:57 dcook         Or was that the last 90s...
00:57 * dcook       might be more of a Star Wars fan than a Star Trek fan...well if you exclude the 2000s...
00:56 dcook         My partner has already seen it, so I think I might have to go solo
00:56 dcook         I'm totes going to see it sometime as well. Hmm, maybe I'll go tonight...
00:56 druthb        Go watch it, silly.
00:55 bag           heh
00:55 bag           thanks
00:55 * druthb      pokes bag with her pointy stick.
00:55 bag           oh thanks dcook I am definitely not going now :(
00:54 dcook         eythian: Yeah, I've heard some mixed things
00:53 bag           heh
00:53 bag           :P
00:53 bag           shit I can't go now
00:53 eythian       Definitely fun.
00:53 eythian       It's quite good. A few things I wasn't so fussed on, but still well worth the watch.
00:52 bag           you like it?
00:52 eythian       bag: saw that last night
00:51 bag           great great!
00:51 druthb        *loved* it.
00:51 bag           did you like the movie?
00:50 rangi         ohh have fun
00:50 druthb        Yay! :)  Have fun, bag!
00:50 dcook         I actually worked in the building next door. West Georgia is a pretty good street
00:50 bag           our first date - and the first time ginny has a babysitter :)
00:50 rangi         lets keep that outflow up :-)
00:50 rangi         http://bugs.koha-community.org/BAM/index.php?s=Koha&p=Koha
00:50 bag           going to star trek tonight
00:50 dcook         Mmm, right
00:50 druthb        heya, bag
00:50 bag           heya druthb
00:49 rangi         the one the conf was in
00:49 dcook         Which hotel were you in?
00:49 dcook         I don't even remember a place at the hackfest
00:49 dcook         Oh yeah?
00:43 rangi         and suprisingly (or not) the place in the university where the hackfest was on was decent too
00:43 rangi         it was a random one, about 2 blocks from the hotel in the direction of stanley park
00:42 dcook         Where did you find in Vancouver, rangi?
00:41 rangi         but yeah on average, it was pretty average
00:41 bag           good
00:41 dcook         2 hours of sleep? Have a double double and you're wired for the next two days
00:41 bag           cindy our bookkeeper's husband roasts his own - I get some of that from time to time - and that's goog
00:41 cjh           mmmhhmm donuts
00:41 rangi         there were a couple of nice places i found in vancouver
00:41 dcook         Although Tim Horton's can get you through anything
00:41 dcook         To be honest, I'm not much of a coffee drinker, but the coffee back in Canada wasn't really very good
00:41 dcook         :D
00:40 rangi         it is in wellington
00:39 dcook         Coffee good in New Zealand?
00:39 dcook         Mmm, I'll believe you...this time
00:37 rangi         http://shop.peoplescoffee.co.nz/collections/all/products/ethiopian-yirgacheffe
00:37 rangi         coffee
00:36 rangi         heh
00:36 * dcook       opens and closes his mouth
00:36 dcook         ...
00:34 rangi         yeah
00:34 eythian       I think his conversion was wrong, 40USD seemed more likely for the 1KG
00:33 rangi         ahh he's gone
00:33 rangi         so lets say 500grams