Time Nick Message
23:56 dcook morning ^_^
23:56 dcook But yes...
23:56 dcook But it's really come along in leaps and bounds, and I think this is a big (while being small) part of that
23:56 dcook When I first encountered Koha (version 3.2), I was struck by how unpolished it seemed
23:56 dcook Yep
23:56 cjh wthdrawn :D
23:55 dcook Fixing typos is small gain, but I'm sooo glad for IndependentBranches to be fixed
23:55 dcook hehe morning
23:55 cjh heh morning
23:55 dcook gmcharlt++
23:51 rangi brb
23:51 rangi 453 grams
23:50 rambutan no, I standardized to one pound
23:48 cjh mmmmhhhhmm people's coffee
23:48 rangi http://shop.peoplescoffee.co.nz/collections/all/products/guatemala-huehuetenango <-- my current fave
23:47 rangi or you thinking a full kilo?
23:47 rangi $12.50 nzd rambutan ?
23:31 rambutan At that rate, I'll need to slip about 18 pounds of Armor Star bacon into rangi's backpack on the way home as a reciprocal guesture
23:30 rambutan http://shop.peoplescoffee.co.nz/collections/all/products/ethiopian-yirgacheffe = $40.54 USD if I and Wolftram Alfa are correct.
23:29 rangi actually no im not doing it now, ill do it tonight when i have more time
23:27 rangi http://www.bugzilla.org/releases/4.4/release-notes.html#v44_feat
23:26 rangi bugizlla going doing for a sec, upgrading
23:22 eythian hi papa
23:15 pianohacker Yo!
22:58 bag hint hint pianohacker ^^^^^
22:57 bag so pianohacker would be happy to sign off on something for you :)
22:57 bag sweet awesome - well it's more for pianohacker than me :)
22:56 rangi ill give it a try but probably not until after work
22:56 huginn 04Bug 10320: enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, ASSIGNED , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
22:56 bag http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10320
22:56 bag anyone up for a signoff?
22:32 wahanui hello, eythian
22:32 eythian hi
22:31 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/kohacon_13_may_planning_meeting.2013-05-23-22.00.log.html
22:31 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/kohacon_13_may_planning_meeting.2013-05-23-22.00.txt
22:31 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/kohacon_13_may_planning_meeting.2013-05-23-22.00.html
22:31 huginn Meeting ended Thu May 23 22:31:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
22:31 nancyk #endmeeting
22:31 nancyk I'll have another short meeting next month to update everyone
22:30 nancyk Yes, it seems so
22:30 bag nancyk++ #agreed
22:29 rangi nancyk: i cant think of anything else, i think you have it all under control
22:29 rangi ill drink it outside starbucks :)
22:29 bag looks good
22:28 rangi http://peoplescoffee.co.nz/ <-- that
22:28 huginn bag: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
22:28 bag bag--
22:28 bag HA
22:28 bag oh those types of beans
22:28 bag beans = farts
22:28 rangi if someone has a grinder and a french press :)
22:28 rangi ill bring some beans
22:28 nancyk Jelly Donut store nearby
22:28 larryb and powerbars to counteract the donuts
22:27 larryb donuts
22:27 bag (I'm kidding - we can get our own lattes)
22:27 nancyk Starbucks nearby
22:27 bag heh - sorry had to go beyond coffee
22:27 bag ok nancyk lattes?
22:26 rangi but only if there is interest .. play it by ear :)
22:26 nancyk i want to see that
22:26 rangi as a follow up from my 'what have you done for me lately' talk
22:26 rambutan #info Greg Lawson - Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
22:26 rangi session at the hackfest
22:26 rangi i will probably try to run a 'librarian to developer in 2 hours'
22:26 nancyk ok we have it, with coffee!
22:26 rangi a nice space with coffee and internet is all that we need ;)
22:25 rangi but mostly its just people working on things together
22:25 rangi if ppl have cool tricks to show
22:25 rangi sometimes there's a few presentations
22:25 rangi nancyk: we pretty much usually self organise on the wiki
22:24 rangi oh yeah and caffeine
22:24 bag coffee
22:24 bag coffee
22:24 rangi thats all we need
22:24 bag coffee
22:24 bag nancyk++
22:24 nancyk #info what about hackerfest? I feel like I have almost ignored them except for space wifi and food
22:23 rangi excellent
22:23 bag or enough wifi
22:23 nancyk yes, we took care of the bandwidth for everyone and equipment
22:23 rangi (you can never have too many power points)
22:23 rangi that all covered?
22:23 rangi in the conference room
22:23 bag John_C++
22:23 rangi powerpoints and wifi
22:23 bag oh congrats John_C
22:22 rangi oh im sure i asked this before
22:22 John_C adult drinks= locally brewed beer and wine
22:22 bag oh that's rad - I love pub quiz's
22:22 nancyk John C is NLA president this year
22:22 John_C and pub quiz also
22:22 rangi cool
22:21 bag bomb shelter? sounds cool
22:21 nancyk You all canb come too, cost $25 for food music and audlt drinks
22:21 rangi cool
22:20 nancyk We are having a reception for NLA at our branch Thurs night, with tours of the bomb shelter.
22:20 * bag :)
22:20 rangi :)
22:20 bag well I will be there before you present rangi I guarantee it
22:19 nancyk Bus service up and down Virginia St. will be handy
22:19 rangi ill just be happy if my bag arrives before i have to present this time :)
22:18 bag agreed
22:18 nancyk Nicole deserves her own room because she is awesome
22:18 rangi which is cool :)
22:18 rangi i read they have a complimentary shuttle
22:18 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, bag
22:18 bag AWESOME!!!
22:17 rangi cool
22:17 nancyk even though I live 18 miles away, I have booked 5 nights, and will be waiting for everyone when they get there
22:16 nancyk i plan on giving a general report to the list
22:16 bag cool let me know - maybe melia and nicole would like their own rooms ;)
22:16 nancyk checking on that later today
22:16 rangi unless its how can we catalogue so that people can actually find stuff, not satisfy some arcane standard, in which case ill stay :-)
22:15 bag nancyk: how short are we of the hotel getting booked out?
22:15 rangi ill skip out for a beer during that one :-)
22:15 nancyk good, I will be nervous until the hotel gets their rooms filled
22:14 bag 1:30-2:30 Roundtables (Pick one): OPAC or Cataloging ( I choose Cataloging )
22:14 rangi i have my flights booked, havent booked hotel yet, will do that asap
22:14 rangi *nod*
22:14 nancyk working on that, but don't want to advertize it until we get our reservations
22:13 rangi might be a nice thing
22:13 rangi so they can go online after
22:13 rangi but yeah i was thinking sponsorship for someone to video the presentations
22:13 bag nice
22:13 nancyk oops Nicole
22:13 nancyk yes, Nicloe did some switching around today, and it is full
22:13 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Program
22:12 rangi bag: its filled up :)
22:12 bag also how are we doing on the sponsorship?
22:12 bag oh hey nancyk how are we doing with number of presentations? you think we have enough going on to fill it up?
22:12 rangi that might be a sponsorship opportunity
22:12 bag yup
22:12 rangi oh speaking of video
22:11 rangi yup :)
22:11 nancyk Anyone watch the Burning Man video on the KohaCon web page?
22:11 rangi yeah, it seems to be going well
22:11 nancyk It sure has been a busy month, but we seem to be on schedule
22:10 bag yeah that's what I'm thinking of nancyk
22:10 nancyk UNR has the makerspace as part of their library
22:10 * bag just curous
22:10 rangi usually tho, the makers are resourceful enough to get their own space :)
22:10 bag cool thanks rangi
22:09 rangi yeah
22:09 bag are MakerSpaces big other places? - that's a hot word here now and libraries are thinking/offering everyone space in their libraries around here.
22:09 nancyk ok, good
22:09 rangi im happy to take some off my talk if that helps
22:08 rangi if he would like a bit more time
22:08 rangi is ask anthony (since he is coming all the way from taiwan)
22:08 rangi all i might suggest
22:08 rangi programme is starting to look good
22:07 nancyk #topic Any suggestions or questions?
22:07 rangi cool
22:07 nancyk #info There may also be a Makerspace tour at UNR University of Nevada Reno on Saturday for those who want to stay in town.
22:07 bag sounds awesome - rangi you'll love that
22:07 rangi w00t!!
22:07 melia yay! Emerald Bay is lovely
22:06 nancyk #info The Saturday trip will most likely be to Lake Tahoe, with a paddlewheel boat tour of Emerald Bay. I hope to get a donation for the transport up and back.
22:06 bag nancyk++
22:06 drnoe #info David Noe, ByWater Solutions
22:06 nancyk #info Call for Sponsors will be sent out next week and will be on the web site and wiki.
22:05 nancyk He already does.
22:05 bag :P
22:05 rangi nancyk: great idea
22:05 bag s/ove/love
22:05 bag nancyk: NateC will ove you :)
22:05 rangi i imagine a lot of htose are overseas so far .. cos they have to decide earlier :)
22:05 nancyk #info A Digital Flier will soon be ready to pass around. It will invite people to come to KohaCon 13, especially those not yet using Koha
22:05 bag I'd love to see 150
22:04 pianohacker #info Jesse Weaver, ByWater Solutions
22:04 bag oh great!
22:04 rangi nice, its building up nicely
22:04 nancyk #info There are approximately 63 people registered for KohaCon 13
22:04 nancyk #topic Agenda I forgot to make one. So I will report, and take any suggestions or questions
22:03 dani #info Danielle Elder, ByWater Solutions
22:03 larryb #info Larry Baerveldt, ByWater Solutions
22:03 John_C Hi Brendan!
22:02 melia #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions
22:02 bag hey John
22:02 John_C #info John Crockett, Washoe County Library System
22:02 cjh #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT
22:02 trea #info Thatcher Rea, Bywater Solutions
22:02 bag nancyk++
22:02 bag nope!!!
22:01 bag #info Brendan Gallagher , Bywater
22:01 nancyk hey chris is it just us again?
22:01 rangi #info Chris C, catalyst IT
22:01 nancyk #info NancyK Chair
22:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'kohacon_13_may_planning_meeting'
22:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
22:00 huginn Meeting started Thu May 23 22:00:45 2013 UTC. The chair is nancyk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
22:00 nancyk #startmeeting KohaCon 13 May Planning Meeting
22:00 rangi hi John_C
22:00 John_C hello
21:49 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS Santa Barbara and Ventura Colleges of Law Choose ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/3W8rkxjamL"
21:31 bag flash
21:31 bag was there a bug recently with something that said erroneous log messages or something? I thought I saw that falsh by
21:30 cait good night all!
21:30 cait too tired to stay awake for the kohacon meeting i think :(
21:07 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
21:07 cait @later tell oleonard could you take a look at bug 10184 maybe? From the history it looks like oyu set it failed QA before Frederic's comment, maybe you can add a quick note what the problem is?
20:29 tweetbot [off] twitter: @nzkoha: "The release of #KohaILS 3.12.0 feature release is closely followed by updates to 3.8 and 3.10 - get em at http://t.co/qA73lKSXIB"
20:20 oleonard Me too. Where l in bbl is in 16 hours.
20:19 rangi ok im outta here bbl
20:19 rangi it will become a speed thing only under load
20:19 jcamins In fact, it's really not.
20:19 rangi its a scale thing
20:19 rangi its not really
20:19 rangi a lot of people see caching as a speed thing
20:18 rangi *nod*
20:18 oleonard That's an interesting distinction.
20:18 rangi </rant>
20:18 rangi it wont automatically be faster, but it will survive a lot more traffic
20:17 rangi the more things are cachable the more adding another frontend server helps
20:17 rangi what it does is shift load off apache and the db
20:17 rangi thats good too
20:17 rangi but doesnt change much with a user
20:16 rangi so if there is something slow to render
20:16 rangi the cache key can be template + sessionid etc
20:16 jcamins I think possibly if it slows down I will use that as my cue to leave.
20:16 rangi oleonard: however you can cache per user too
20:16 jcamins My goodness. That's a torrential downpour.
20:15 rangi jcamins: yep that too :) any cache backend
20:15 rangi oleonard: exactly
20:15 jcamins Or fastmmap. :)
20:15 oleonard rangi: That's a good example because it's the same for different users.
20:15 rangi oleonard: it changes rarely, you could easily cache it for an hour, then instead of fetching the news items from the db each page view, it just pulls the rendered html straight out of memcached
20:14 cait ebegin: that sounds a lot wiser than i feel during my work days right now :)
20:14 rangi oleonard: ie i could see a good case for caching the news as an include
20:14 * jcamins doesn't know what that means... "not working 60+ hours a week." ;)
20:13 rangi or it does calculations etc
20:13 ebegin cait : We do have indeed few projects in process and some other to come too. I don't want to be busy working 60+ hours a week for the rest of my life
20:13 jcamins ebegin: oh, I did love Montreal when we visited. :)
20:13 rangi any time the include has to be populated with a lot of data
20:13 oleonard rangi: Can you elaborate on what are good cases for include caching?
20:12 druthb "If you decide to deal with it in Perl, then you have more than one way to have a problem."
20:11 ebegin jcamins, you'll love it too ;)
20:11 rangi oleonard: i dunno if that would be any use to you
20:11 druthb "If you have a problem, and decide to deal with it in Java, then you have a ProblemFactory."
20:11 rangi awesome thanks cait
20:10 * druthb codes up a Rube Goldberg Koha emulator in Java.
20:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7387 new feature, P1 - high, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Add Template::Toolkit plugin to allow caching of includes
20:10 jcamins ebegin: I'd better not tell my wife... she loves Montreal!
20:10 cait bug 7387?
20:10 oleonard drojf: Even a Rube Goldberg machine can be considered to "work"
20:10 jcamins No.
20:10 jcamins rangi: ummm...
20:10 cait rangi: i will find it
20:10 cait ebegin: sounds like a big project :)
20:10 rangi jcamins: can you remember the bug number for the caching template fragments?
20:09 rangi oh sweet
20:09 * ebegin is looking for 2 full time programmers in beautiful Montreal, just to let you know :)
20:09 drojf oleonard: and the working well part made you think it sounds insane? :D
20:09 oleonard No big deal though.
20:09 oleonard I just didn't much like needing the empty BLOCK on some pages.
20:08 rangi hmm new bugzilla out, i need to upgrade
20:08 oleonard Cool, I'm glad that sounds sane, because it seems to work well.
20:08 rangi *nod*
20:08 drojf there is always someone…
20:08 rangi :)
20:08 rangi someone will im sure, but i wouldnt let that stop you
20:08 ebegin Thanks ;)
20:08 jcamins oleonard: then, yes, that's perfect.
20:08 rangi i dont see a problem with that
20:08 ebegin Yes, a Koha job, of course ! :)
20:08 oleonard jcamins: The main footer include has most of the JS stuff in it, but some individual pages need their own JS stuff
20:07 jcamins ebegin: there is no such rule.
20:07 rangi ebegin: is it a koha job?
20:07 rangi it
20:07 rangi cache.inc
20:07 jcamins With the proviso that I'd think about using an include if the JS is shared.
20:07 rangi you could even in future
20:07 rangi and now the caching template fragments has been pushed
20:07 jcamins oleonard: that makes sense to me.
20:07 rangi *nod*
20:07 oleonard ...or a block with actual JS in it.
20:06 oleonard Then each individual page template has [% BLOCK jsinclude %][% END %]
20:06 rangi thats how i'd do it
20:06 ebegin Hey ! Is there a rules for not posting jobs on the mailing lists ? :)
20:06 rangi cool
20:06 kathryn hiya cait :)
20:06 oleonard What I've worked out is to have this at the end of the footer include: [% PROCESS jsinclude %]
20:06 cait morning kathryn :)
20:05 jcamins oleonard++
20:05 oleonard In the Bootstrap OPAC redesign I'm trying to keep JS at the end of each template
20:05 oleonard I want to run a T:T thing by you guys while rangi is here
20:04 rangi but on average days itd be nice to have them around the same :)
20:03 rangi and we did close a massive bunch
20:03 rangi ie everything moves into inflow
20:03 rangi the first day is a bit false
20:03 rangi outflow = resolved, pushed, closed
20:03 jcamins Nice!
20:03 rangi so the inflow is bugs moving into new/assigned/needs signoff/reopened etc
20:02 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/BAM/index.php?s=Koha&p=Koha
19:59 cait :)
19:58 rangi and say, why dont we have koha here
19:58 rangi cos they will graduate, go work at law firms
19:58 rangi thats pretty sweet
19:57 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Santa Barbara and Ventura Colleges of Law Choose ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/QODQ6p7Yhi #KohaILS"
19:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1198: SUCCESS in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1198/
18:47 cait bgkriegel++ :)
18:33 mtompset Why would we want cooking help?
18:31 drojf lol
18:27 wahanui cooking help is, like, http://awfullibrarybooks.net/kitchen-tech/
18:27 jcamins cooking help?
18:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #1198 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10129 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Babeltheque does not depend on COinSinOPACResults
18:12 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10129: Babeltheque does not depend on COinSinOPACResults
18:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10052: DBrev 3.13.00.005
18:12 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10052: QA Followup
18:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10052 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Make intranetstylesheet and intranetcolorstylesheet behave exactly like their opac counterparts
18:12 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10052 Followup for edithelp.tt and help-top.inc
18:12 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10052: Make intranetstylesheet and intranetcolorstylesheet behave exactly like their opac counterparts
18:12 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10052: Db revision for intranetstylesheet
18:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1197: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1197/
17:43 mtompset Okay... let's say I authenticate against a SAML source and it returns attributes to Koha, what's the best way to map those to relevant borrowers fields? in koha_conf.xml like the ldapserver?
17:38 gmcharlt heh
17:36 mtompset catalogue a live stream? By the time you catalogue it, it could be over.
17:34 drojf once i find out how that thing works at all
17:33 drojf hm yes maybe i can tweak the embedded video patch a little ;)
17:30 huginn pianohacker: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (Repeatable) (1 more message)
17:30 pianohacker @marc 856
17:30 pianohacker or do the current popular trend and just punt it into 856u
17:30 pianohacker well, you could figure out the actual correct metadata
17:28 drojf how do i catalogue a live stream in MARC?
17:28 drojf yay, got a raspberry pi camera module
17:27 drojf rofl
17:26 mtompset Point noted, oleonard.
17:25 * mtompset laughs.
17:25 oleonard mtompset: Touchy topic? You should see when we talk about Live DVDs.
17:23 drojf with all that surveillance… we should not discuss anything on the internet :D
17:22 mtompset drojf: Do you think it wise to discuss nazis neo or otherwise on this channel? It could turn into a Reductio Ad Hilterum type argument. ;) But seriously, touchy topic.
17:20 drojf hi mtompset
17:20 drojf *neonazis
17:20 drojf of course that surveillance state did a great job looking the other way when the only real terror group killed people… noenazis are not a problem ^^
17:20 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:20 * mtompset smirks.
17:19 drojf you know, there is all that terrorism everywhere. ony the surveillance state can protect us :(
17:18 oleonard I did not know that drojf
17:17 kf bye all
17:17 drojf that is not different over here :/
17:16 oleonard Of course even after that you have to consider your internet and phone traffic to be monitored at all times
17:16 oleonard It's an ugly situation.
17:15 drojf oleonard: LOL yeah, i was considering coming with a notebook without harddrive, buy a usb stick there and install a fresh debian to get around the "we can have all your data if we want to"-policy
17:14 * oleonard suggests drojf picture going through US customs to make himself feel better
17:13 drojf oh, the kohacon meeting. not really important for me, sadly.
17:12 drojf meeting?
17:10 rambutan1 ah, can't do that...
17:10 rambutan1 meeting?
17:09 tweetbot [off] twitter: @YvesTomic: "Le symposium Koha approche: http://t.co/fBQuTx38ne deux interventions à préparer... #KohaILS"
17:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #1197 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9722: DBrev 3.13.00.004 to add OpacShowHoldNotes syspref
16:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9722 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Allow users to add notes when placing a hold in opac
16:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9722: (followup) allow patrons to see hold notes in their summary
16:59 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9722: Toggle display of hold notes with Edit notes button
16:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Show more information on basketgroups lists
16:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10313 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , selecting an invoice from the historic orders page does not take you to that invoice
16:59 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9722: Allow users to add notes when placing a hold in opac (dbrev)
16:59 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9722: Allow users to add notes when placing a hold in opac
16:59 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9806: Remove single pixel on the basketgroup table
16:59 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9806 : QA Followup - use template plugin for branch names
16:59 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9806 : Add new columns to basket groups lists
16:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Prevent submit form pressing enter should be improved
16:59 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10313 Fix link to invoice from orders
16:59 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10310: Followup Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE
16:59 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10310: Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE
16:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1196: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1196/
16:43 kf lol
16:42 oleonard http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/e-mail-addresses-it-would-be-really-annoying-to-give-out-over-the-phone
16:42 oleonard Seemed like I might as well keep it consistent
16:41 kf not sure about the username, the complaint was focused on the passwords :)
16:41 kf yep :)
16:39 oleonard kf: Better like this? http://screencast.com/t/KSpSkJ1te
16:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10129: Babeltheque does not depend on COinSinOPACResults <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98dae69c7176bbd7a962e36fb629fc09229d534c>
16:09 kf gmcharlt++
16:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10052: DBrev 3.13.00.005 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=27a1017e44eb0ef67d8fe028a8e74b1a4c1e48eb> / Bug 10052: QA Followup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de3280088b9184e55ca06ae51a25ecffc0bc92f2> / Bug 10052 Followup for edithelp.tt and help-top.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=70855acfea86c663f1258488294bb6542a9d5567
15:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #1196 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10036 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , adding header search to additem page
15:43 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10036 - adding header search to additem page
15:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1195: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1195/
15:42 gaetan_B bye !
15:42 jcamins I'm having a devil of a time figuring out how to exchange data between multiple pages using Javascript, and it strikes me this might be because really it should just be one page.
15:41 * jcamins contemplates combining the offline circ pages into one.
15:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 9722: DBrev 3.13.00.004 to add OpacShowHoldNotes syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a29a06955ab247a306d356ab107e10738fcace8> / bug 9722: (followup) allow patrons to see hold notes in their summary <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=698546434c6cca5a9dd247d01190e7944083ce99> / Bug 9722: Toggle display of hold notes with Edit notes button <http://git.koha
15:38 reiveune bye
15:35 jcamins It kind of offends me to add an entire jQuery plugin.
15:35 oleonard Seems like something I've dealt with before, but maybe for something else...
15:35 oleonard I don't think so, although I could be misremembering.
15:35 jcamins Is there a way we do that elsewhere?
15:34 oleonard Yeah I agree jcamins
15:34 jcamins I find it absolutely baffling that there is no functionality for retrieving URL parameters built into JS or at least jQuery.
15:33 kf oleonard: i have to confess i had that thought too but didn't find it
15:31 magnuse sorry slef
15:24 pianohacker slef: I greet your ghost happily
15:23 slef pianohacker: hello. I'm not really here until July :-/
15:21 jcamins It strikes me there is not actually any reason not to show the "Pay fines" form all the time.
15:21 wahanui privet, pianohacker
15:21 pianohacker slef: hi there
15:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10316 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Some patron search options missing in advanced search on patron record
15:19 oleonard kf I'm pretty sure Bug 10316 is a duplicate
15:16 huginn Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 17.5°C (11:13 AM EDT on May 23, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
15:16 Dyrcona @wunder 01845
15:11 slef magnuse: not fair, I mean.
15:11 huginn slef: The current temperature in Gedney Hill, Spalding, United Kingdom is 8.6°C (4:01 PM BST on May 23, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
15:11 slef @wunder EGCL
15:11 slef magnuse: not fail
15:10 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 19.0°C (4:50 PM CEST on May 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
15:10 magnuse @wunder boo
15:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9806: Remove single pixel on the basketgroup table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=030c22b9c26309682f8c01105f77a3f1a7a3a148> / Bug 9806 : QA Followup - use template plugin for branch names <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b53b251357380c432e66dbfbea60e300380452c> / Bug 9806 : Add new columns to basket groups lists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k
14:57 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.2°C (4:55 PM CEST on May 23, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
14:57 kf @wunder Konstanz
14:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10313 Fix link to invoice from orders <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f4d31309203b85b5415788967d4c8cf3ce83570>
14:56 kf hm looking at the rain outside... i think I should stay a while longer
14:56 jcamins Right, but so does $('#elem').show()
14:55 oleonard Inline styles override custom CSS
14:55 jcamins All the styling I'm doing in staff-global.css.
14:55 jcamins (instead of inline)
14:55 oleonard From a customization point of view, it's more flexible. Not sure if that factors into this case.
14:54 jcamins Okay, so that's considered good practice, then, changing it in the CSS file?
14:52 oleonard jcamins: Just to nit-pick, it doesn't have to be inline either if you want to add it to the CSS file.
14:49 jcamins slef: in this case, it is for JS-based offline circ, so if JS isn't running, it shouldn't show up, ever.
14:49 slef only if you don't want it accessible otherwise; more often, you want to display it, then hide it when javascript is run.
14:49 jcamins We do that elsewhere.
14:48 jcamins On the subject of hiding things, the correct way to handle something that is only displayed by Javascript is to put an inline "display: none;" right?
14:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10310: Followup Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4978ef178746df06333c6704ea9e6f888b4b9ff> / Bug 10310: Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=efdf30bc476ab130b0dc4767ba38d68208eb2ca7>
14:44 jcamins I haven't added showing the transaction in the table yet, just showing the table.
14:44 kf :)
14:44 jcamins Right.
14:44 oleonard Yes, although I wouldn't show the table headers if there's no data
14:43 jcamins ?
14:43 jcamins oleonard: something like this seem reasonable: http://screencast.com/t/axYzzU25
14:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #1195 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:21 oleonard Yeah not all of those will need to be solved the same way.
14:21 jcamins If you don't want to embed them on the page with AJAX, yeah, probably.
14:20 oleonard I think modals are going to be necessary in the OPAC to be more mobile-friendly (Cart, cart download, list download, add comment, etc.)
14:19 jcamins Agreed... that would be really nice.
14:19 oleonard I would simply like to see our number of dependencies go down, that's all.
14:18 jcamins I don't really have any issues with greybox, aside from my categorical dislike of modals.
14:17 oleonard Greybox has turned out to be hard to beat.
14:17 oleonard I think we could do more with modals, but I've been too focused on other things to see how well the Bootstrap version could work for what we do.
14:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10036 - adding header search to additem page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=646015c6471fa3d248696a55b6f18d268b5a2f60>
14:15 jcamins :)
14:15 kf jcamins: you didn't ask - but i think form in tab sounds good :)
14:12 jcamins Thanks.
14:10 oleonard Seems reasonable to me
14:09 jcamins Yeah.
14:09 oleonard And your choice would be for the link to trigger a form to appear within the tab?
14:09 jcamins It's for recording a fine. And I'm trying to figure out what form that fine recording should take.
14:08 jcamins The blue "Record fine payment" link.
14:07 jcamins http://screencast.com/t/7dz7kvrM
14:07 oleonard One must do a lot of that mustn't one?
14:07 * jcamins waits for Jing.
14:07 jcamins ... maybe...
14:07 jcamins I'll take a screenshot.
14:06 oleonard ...off the top of my head, not knowing what the context is.
14:06 oleonard I don't think we're very consistent, so I think you should choose what you prefer
14:06 jcamins I prefer C) something non-modal, but I feel like Koha tends to take a more modal approach to actions.
14:05 jcamins If I want to record a payment using entirely Javascript, do you prefer A) a Javascript prompt, B) a Bootstrap modal, or C) something non-modal?
14:05 druthb gmcharlt++
14:05 druthb beat me to it, gmcharlt.
14:05 gmcharlt there's an image!
14:04 * oleonard is 100% ears
14:04 jcamins I have a question for you.
14:04 jcamins Good!
14:04 oleonard Yes, I'm back!!
14:04 jcamins oleonard: ooh, you're back!
14:04 * druthb waves to oleonard.
14:03 jcamins Heh.
14:03 oleonard Thanks for the update McCloud[A]
14:03 * McCloud[A] is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes
14:01 gmcharlt yep
14:01 kf gmcharlt: so it was ok? :)
14:00 druthb kf++
13:59 gmcharlt kf++
13:59 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009)
13:59 gmcharlt @quote random
13:58 kf :)
13:58 druthb nengard++
13:57 nengard to include druthb
13:57 nengard kohacon program updated: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Program
13:41 druthb Well, looks like I'm going to make KohaCon after all, maybe. It's looking promising for me to come in for a couple of days, anyway.
13:41 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "A Musical About Freedom http://t.co/bu3eGymVec #KohaILS"
13:41 tweetbot [off] twitter: @andisugandi: "Bikin bingung euy, mau loncat ke 3.12.x atau tetap di 3.10.x , ya .. :| "@KohaILS: #KohaILS Koha 3.10.6 released http://t.co/gBjnsxhq8a""
13:29 jcamins Alas, no oleonard.
13:16 druthb :D
13:16 kf hi druthb :)
13:16 * druthb waves at kf
13:14 kf :)
13:14 kf also for the logs
13:14 huginn kf_mtg: The operation succeeded.
13:14 kf_mtg @later tell gmcharlt we did some batch changes in bugzilla this morning - bugs pushed in 2012 > closed fixed and later pushed patches up to may 2013 > resolved fixed, there are about 100 bugs in pushed status right now :)
13:10 jcamins Yeah, I remember that. I thought that there was a way to change it for a while.
13:08 kf_mtg I remember there used to be hardcoded $
13:08 jcamins Hmm. I guess this screenshot is older, then.
13:08 kf_mtg i think we had already removed the $ from everywhere in 3.6
13:07 kf_mtg hm
13:07 jcamins I think we changed that since 3.6, didn't we?
13:06 kf_mtg um right
13:06 jcamins Thanks.
13:06 jcamins Oh, we just don't use a symbol _at all_.
13:05 kf_mtg what we need is another include/plugin etc.
13:05 kf_mtg i think thre is no real solution for your problem in koha now
13:05 kf_mtg if you look at a patron record for example, you will see we don't use it there
13:05 kf_mtg we removed the currency symbol from a lot of templates
13:05 * kf_mtg is not surprised
13:04 jcamins We set it in Currencies and exchange rates but I'm having some trouble figuring out how we then use it.
13:04 * kf_mtg nick kf
13:04 kf_mtg ok, really, ignore me. I just came out of a meeting
13:03 jcamins In those cases the symbol is EUR, USD, CAD, whatever.
13:03 kf_mtg which makes sense - else you could not differentiate between the different $
13:03 kf_mtg one of the problems is, that not all libaries use the symbol there, often it's iso codes
13:02 jcamins $, £, whatever.
13:02 jcamins I _just_ want the symbol.
13:02 kf_mtg but it's not always makeing sense, like me now
13:02 jcamins Except I don't have a number I want formatted.
13:02 kf_mtg Dyrcona: nope :)
13:01 Dyrcona #koha never sleeps.
13:01 kf_mtg for formatting
13:01 kf_mtg well we have, but it should really be a plugin
13:01 kf_mtg i don't think we have one yet
13:01 kf_mtg hm
13:01 jcamins Does anyone know the template variable for the currency symbol?
12:37 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
12:37 oleonard @later tell wizzyrea No more OFTC on mibbit. I was able to connect through https://kiwiirc.com
12:24 NateC hello #koha :)
12:18 marcelr well, will have a look later then; put it on bugzilla; thx
12:17 jcamins That's the only thing that changed.
12:17 marcelr very strange
12:17 jcamins Nope.
12:17 marcelr where this use_https was used?
12:16 marcelr jcamins: should be a problem on other places too?
12:16 jcamins marcelr: I confirm that when I apply that patch the social media links all point to https even though I'm using http.
12:12 marcelr thx
12:11 marcelr i will update the patch
12:11 oleonard No explanatory text necessary outside of the links.
12:11 marcelr would be good for me
12:11 jcamins marcelr: sure.
12:11 oleonard How about simply "Show active baskets only" and "Show all baskets" as the links
12:10 marcelr oleonard: how would you improve the text?
12:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, agent.075, Signed Off , Add http:// to url in social media links on opac-detail
12:09 marcelr hi jcamins; would you mind to take another look at bug 8952 ?
12:09 oleonard I have doubts
12:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9824 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Signed Off , Hide basket with no expected items in basket list by bookseller
12:08 marcelr hi oleonard; do you as native speaker agree with the small textual change on bug 9824 ? katrin had some doubts.. someone else signed it off already
12:03 jcamins kf_mtg: I guess.
12:02 jcamins That's kind of inconsistent.
12:02 kf hm maybe because main is only one?
12:02 jcamins I guess there is a reference to #yui-main in the YUI CSS files.
12:01 jcamins It seems weird, since everything else is a class.
12:01 jcamins oleonard: I have a question. Should yui-main be an ID?
12:00 jcamins I think someone told me why, but I confess to not listening.
12:00 jcamins oleonard: OFTC blocked mibbit.
11:59 oleonard Looks like mibbit has dropped OFTC.
11:59 magnuse kia ora, oleonard!
11:59 oleonard Hi #koha
11:48 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS Koha 3.10.6 released http://t.co/cjNyzIMBcI"
11:02 kf jcamins: np thx
11:01 jcamins kf: I'm not sure, sorry.
10:52 tweetbot [off] twitter: @27point7: "Bravo! RT @Tredok 4 patchs signé, un 5e qui a failli. On essaie de recommencer la semaine prochaine ^^ #KohaILS"
10:48 kf if the printer messed up or the borrower stole it or whatever?
10:47 kf does someone know maybe if you can repeat the print of hold slips?
10:45 magnuse my bad
10:45 magnuse pebkac
10:45 magnuse yup
10:45 magnuse yeah, i'm probably doing it wrong
10:44 magnuse oh, perhaps i'm confused
10:44 jcamins It used to be oldstable.
10:44 jcamins I didn't realize that eythian changed the name.
10:44 magnuse now that 3.12 is out
10:44 jcamins Huh.
10:44 magnuse squeeze-old = 3.10
10:43 magnuse squeeze = 3.12
10:43 magnuse squeeze-dev = master
10:43 jcamins But what's squeeze-old?
10:43 magnuse i thought...
10:43 magnuse jcamins: good morning :-)
10:43 magnuse i changed "squeeze" to "squeeze-old" in /etc/apt/sources.list, and when i try to "apt-get update" i get an error
10:43 jcamins magnuse: is squeeze-old new?
10:42 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Getting an error for squeeze-old packages" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/23
10:36 tweetbot [off] twitter: @Tredok: "4 patchs signé, un 5e qui a failli. On essaie de recommencer la semaine prochaine ^^ #KohaILS"
10:08 zebran00b stay dry fellas, thanks again
10:05 magnuse lots of rain at least, and probably smelting snow from the mountains
10:05 magnuse [off] i bet this guy wishes he had put the car where the boat is and vice versa: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/vaer/artikkel.php?artid=10116650
10:05 zebran00b big storms out there?
10:04 kf lakes and rivers pretty full of water here right now too
10:03 kf ouch :(
10:03 magnuse whoa - lots of flooding in the south of norway
10:02 zebran00b right, I saw 000-default in sites-enabled. Nice all magnuse+++
10:02 magnuse have a look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and see what is listed there
10:02 kf magnuse++
10:02 kf ah :)
10:02 magnuse something like that
10:02 magnuse sudo a2dissite 000-default
10:02 kf sudo a2dissite default I think
10:01 zebran00b how do I do that?
09:59 magnuse zebran00b: did you disable the default apache site?
09:58 zebran00b anybody know why after package install domain:80 would point to default HTML page in /var/www instead of OPAC?
09:49 tweetbot [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "In case you missed it: Release notes of #Kohails 3.12 - http://t.co/Kuj93Vf8kw"
09:49 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS Koha 3.8.13 released http://t.co/98IaMech9f"
09:49 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "and those are my last 2 releases as #KohaILS release maintainer"
09:48 tweetbot [off] twitter: @Tredok: "Première demie-journée de travail de signature de patch ^o^ #KohaILS"
09:48 tweetbot [off] twitter: @Tredok: "En attendant que @27point7 ne corrige son patch (au boulot feignasse !! :p), on teste un patch vendangeur (bz 8304) #KohaILS #signatures"
09:48 tweetbot [off] twitter: @jransom: "@ranginui congrats, well done and thank you chris for your #KohaILS work."
09:48 tweetbot [off] twitter: @andisugandi: "Upgrade time! :) "@KohaILS: #KohaILS Koha 3.12.0 released http://t.co/dZXNUfqnz4""
09:48 tweetbot [off] twitter: @andisugandi: ""@KohaILS: #KohaILS Koha 3.8.13 released http://t.co/jgDKQFBGzT""
09:48 tweetbot [off] twitter: @jsicot: "se met à OpenRefine pour réparer des bêtises #KohaILS, merci @symac pour son tuto sur #Bibliopedia http://t.co/tQXkPKWXoA"
09:44 zebran00b Installed the debian package, but can't figure out apache settings. One way I get the OPAC and no staff client, another way I get vice versa. Help?
09:41 mtj ah cool… its a simple technique, but it works well for dev/testing
09:39 samueld ok, it seems to be good
09:37 mtj $ nohup zebrasrv -f ~/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml &
09:36 mtj use nohup
09:36 samueld ok but if i log off the server, it is disconnected
09:35 samueld ok, i make the test
09:34 mtj … or is it the zebra *indexing* you want to automate
09:33 mtj $ zebrasrv -f ~/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
09:32 mtj for my git/dev installs… i just start zebra manually
09:32 mtj aah, ok
09:31 samueld no, it's a git install
09:31 mtj heya samueld, are you using the deb packages?
09:26 samueld when i do a research, it fails. Thats'a point i don't really understand. How can i fix my zebra as a service?
09:23 rangi samueld: what is the actual error you are having?
09:23 mtj wow, those bam stats are pretty handy
09:18 samueld update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults
09:18 samueld ln -s /home/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
09:18 rangi heh
09:18 rangi fg
09:17 samueld oups, my zebra don't works any more. How can i fix it as a service? I've follow the instructions on the documentation but i keep the problem
09:15 mtj rangi++
09:15 rangi to make it work with our bugzilla not just meego :)
09:15 rangi with a bit of hackery
09:15 rangi yup
09:15 cjh neato!
09:14 mtj from here? -> https://github.com/bayoteers/Metrics
09:13 rangi it will get more interesting over time
09:13 mtj woah, nice one!
09:09 rangi peep this http://bugs.koha-community.org/BAM/index.php?s=Koha&p=all&c=
07:49 samueld yes, the mapping is complete
07:48 wahanui somebody said cardnumber was passed in with the call to patronimage.pl
07:48 kf cardnumber?
07:48 kf do you have the other mandatory fields set up? branchcode, categorycode?
07:47 samueld we have also this impression but at this stage, koha can't add a member from ldap
07:44 kf i was under the impression that you didn't need to store the password locally
07:44 kf hm, we didn't test ldap yet
07:42 samueld i've a question of ldap (if someone can answer): how password have to be encoded? We try to connect koha with our ldap. It seems to have a dialog between both but i think there's a problem of password
07:40 kf hi samueld
07:40 marcelr hi samueld
07:40 samueld hi everybody :-)
07:40 kf :) think that will be the majority
07:40 marcelr i'd rather get patches in the other direction :)
07:39 kf marcelr++
07:39 kf thx :)
07:38 marcelr kf: done
07:32 kf marcelr: would you be ok with switching 9824 to needs sign off? i think it woudl be a bit more clean and somoene, maybe oleonard could take a look at the strings
07:30 zebran00b er, I'm using the debian package and I think I had the wrong koha-sites.conf settings when I created my instance. How do I delete the instance and make a new one?
07:24 marcelr np
07:24 kf maybe better ask a native speaker later on?
07:23 kf it's clear tho :)
07:23 kf hm it's quite long
07:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9824 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Signed Off , Hide basket with no expected items in basket list by bookseller
07:22 marcelr kf: what do you think about the new text in bug 9824?
07:22 kf hi marcelr and gaetan_B
07:22 marcelr hi kf and gaetan_B
07:21 gaetan_B hello
07:19 kf good morning #koha ;)
07:19 kf good morning wahanui
07:19 wahanui germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
07:19 huginn GERMS!!!!
07:16 marcelr hi asaurat
07:14 asaurat hi!
07:14 marcelr hi #koha
07:08 dcook night folks
07:07 zebran00b ok, package installation going smoothly except I can access instancename.domain, but not instancename-intra.domain.
07:00 alex_a bonjour
06:59 wahanui que tal, jajm_
06:59 jajm_ hello
06:50 wahanui que tal, reiveune
06:50 reiveune hello
06:48 christophe_c hello rangi
06:43 rangi hi christophe_c
06:42 christophe_c hello #koha
06:34 dcook :p
06:33 drojf lol
06:32 magnuse about the bollard or about rmaint work? ;-)
06:28 dcook I really should read that...
06:28 dcook They both deserve it
06:27 dcook tcohen++
06:27 dcook tochen++
06:27 * dcook falls for wahanui every time
06:27 magnuse tcohen++ for documenting release maintenance on the wiki
06:27 wahanui i think the top one is patches waiting signoff/qa
06:27 dcook The top one
06:27 dcook Errm
06:27 dcook I saw this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollard
06:27 wahanui rumour has it Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
06:27 dcook Interesting
06:27 drojf :D
06:27 cjh heh I had that open :)
06:27 drojf like this, but not as beautiful ^^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:City_of_London_Bollard.jpg
06:26 * dcook agrees with cjh
06:26 dcook But now I have a new word :D
06:26 cjh badluck about the headphones :(
06:26 * dcook had never heard of bollard before
06:26 magnuse ah, "pullert" in norwegian, it seems :-)
06:25 cjh jonathan pollard?
06:25 drojf its poller in german
06:25 drojf and i mean bollard
06:25 drojf i had to look it up to, in english :D
06:25 * magnuse looks up pollard
06:25 magnuse ouch!
06:24 drojf i'm good at killing cables these days. on tuesday i made my headphones explode into three parts when they got caught in a pollard i walked by :(
06:09 drojf with more twisting and turning, it works again. i have been doing that for too long, i should either try to really fix it or get a new one :D
06:08 cait drojf: :(
06:07 magnuse "a while"? ;-)
06:07 drojf looks like my laptop power supply is really dead now. that's not good :(
06:06 magnuse rangi++
06:05 rangi my last ones for a while :)
06:05 rangi heh
06:04 drojf rangi++ # more kohas!
06:03 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: 3.8.13 release notes
06:03 jenkins_koha * D Ruth Bavousett: Language update for 3.8.13
06:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #317: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/317/
06:02 drojf good morning rangi, dcook and cait
06:01 cait hi drojf, hi rangi
06:01 dcook hey ya drojf
06:01 rangi hmm without :
06:01 rangi drojf:
06:01 rangi evening
05:42 zebran00b nevermind, saw the mailing list post
05:39 zebran00b has the debian package been tested on wheezy? Or should I stick with squeeze to be sure?
05:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #317 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
05:23 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.10.6
05:23 jenkins_koha * D Ruth Bavousett: Language update for 3.10.6
05:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #122: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/122/
05:20 eythian yeah, that's the most useful thing really
05:18 dcook I instantly was 100x more grateful for using packages
05:18 dcook When I saw the list of deps coming down when I was installing koha-common...
05:18 dcook I'd really like to move from opensuse to Debian at some point..
05:17 dcook I can see why :)
05:17 cjh koha-create, koha-mysql and koha-dump make my life so much easier :)
05:16 dcook Part of me wants to try installing Koha from Git/tarball now just to see how to do it...but using anything other than the packages now just seems...needlessly difficult
05:16 cjh point each instance* # this typing thing isnt working for me tonight...
05:16 cjh if you wanted you could point instance at a different git clone, but I usually just have 1 or 2 that all my instances point to.
05:16 dcook cjh++
05:15 dcook Ahhh, that's great!
05:14 cjh s/checout/checkout/ # :(
05:14 cjh s/mad/made/
05:14 cjh dcook: that means if I go into /home/chrish/devel/koha and checout a new branch, my instance is now using that branch (as it points at it, no copy is mad)
05:12 cjh dcook: so now my instance threeeightx uses /home/chrish/devel/koha instead of /usr/share/koha
05:12 cjh dcook: so I often run it as sudo koha-gitify threeeightx /home/chrish/devel/koha
05:12 cjh dcook: it takes an instance you made with the packages and points it at a supplied git clone
05:11 eythian rangi: 3.10.6 uploaded now
05:10 dcook wizzyrea, cjh: So with gitify, it takes your package install and then creates a new git repo using it as a base, or...?
05:03 rangi ill cook food for the horde
05:03 rangi sweet
05:02 eythian build starting
05:01 rangi thanks
04:59 eythian OK
04:58 rangi ill announce 3.8.13 now and hold of on 3.10.6 until the packages are ready
04:57 rangi cool, ill announce when the packages are ready for 3.10.x
04:57 eythian dcook: more or less, yeah
04:57 dcook Then build packages from that?
04:57 * eythian no longer cares about 3.8, I think.
04:57 dcook (I assume)
04:57 dcook Push to a communal git repo
04:57 rangi and the tars are in download.koha-community.org
04:57 dcook So you do your dev on your dev VM...
04:57 eythian I'll start 3.10 building now
04:57 eythian rangi: OK
04:57 eythian yeah. My dev VM doesn't have the packages installed.
04:57 rangi eythian: speaking of packages ive pushed tags for 3.8.13 and 3.10.6
04:57 dcook Mmm, you mean if someone was only developing
04:56 cait dcook: he does that to people
04:56 dcook If you're doing dev, you're either using a git clone or gitified git
04:56 eythian dcook: reasons why people wouldn't use the packages.
04:56 dcook You've got me confused, eythian!
04:56 cait my_coworker++ hehe
04:55 eythian dcook: well, if you are doing dev, you're running from git
04:55 eythian being forced to use a non debian environment
04:55 dcook eythian: How do you mean?
04:55 wizzyrea not even that really with gitify
04:55 cait oh not me in that case :)
04:55 eythian development is the main legit reason
04:55 wizzyrea neither do we - but people still persist.
04:55 dcook cait++
04:55 dcook At this stage, I don't know why anyone would want to use anything but Debian packages
04:55 dcook That's really awesome :)
04:54 cait and we will... in progress of switching
04:54 eythian snap
04:54 eythian that's how..
04:54 rangi thats how we do it
04:54 rangi yep
04:54 rangi in debian/build-git-snapshot
04:54 dcook Yeah ^_^
04:54 dcook You'd be doing your development in Git, building your own packages, and then installing from your own repository
04:54 cait :)
04:54 cait you cna build your own packages
04:54 rangi you can roll your own packages
04:53 dcook Although I guess in that case...
04:53 dcook I suppose once you start deviating from the mainstream things would be more difficult
04:52 * dcook should remember to add that to the wiki as well
04:52 rangi automagically
04:52 rangi it puts them all into maintenance mode
04:52 dcook Sweeeeet
04:52 rangi yep
04:52 rangi or sudo apt-get upgrade
04:52 dcook So you upgrade all your instances at once
04:52 rangi yep
04:52 dcook so running install koha-common takes care of that?
04:52 rangi the packages run the updatedatabase.pl
04:52 dcook Intriguing...
04:51 rangi not even needed
04:51 dcook Then web installer takes over?
04:51 rangi or if you want to upgrade everything
04:51 rangi sudo apt-get install koha-common
04:51 rangi sudo apt-get update
04:51 dcook Mmm, I was going to ask about upgrades
04:51 rangi :)
04:51 rangi and the upgrades are even easier
04:51 dcook I have a few tweaks to add to the wiki but that's about it
04:51 rangi they usually do
04:50 dcook Last night's install went great
04:50 dcook The Debian packages are totes like magic
04:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #122 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:19 wizzyrea yeap
04:19 zebran00b great, thanks gang
04:19 * zebran00b *jazz hands!*
04:18 wizzyrea really.
04:18 wizzyrea it's magic.
04:18 eythian you do everything with sudo and they tools take care of making you the right user.
04:18 zebran00b wizzyrea: as someone who has no interest in a dev install, I like this idea
04:18 eythian for the packages, there is no new kohauser
04:17 zebran00b question 2 was "should I follow all instructions as root user, or at some step switch to the new kohauser?"
04:17 wizzyrea well, as totally discrete from doing a dev install
04:17 wizzyrea I'm wondering if install.debian should change to have the package instructions only
04:17 zebran00b ah. In that case, let me read that and then see if I still have a question 2.
04:16 eythian I should really go through and make sure that's up to date.
04:16 trea ^
04:16 eythian zebran00b: you look in /usr/share/doc/koha-common/README.Debian
04:15 wizzyrea uh you don't
04:14 zebran00b 1) If I carry out the instructions on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze and then follow the instructions in DEBIAN.install, which step in DEBIAN.install do I start on, 1.5?
04:13 trea shoot
04:13 zebran00b any package experts got a minute to field two questions re: debian install?
04:13 cait hi eythian
04:13 eythian hi cait
04:12 cait hi wizzyrea
04:11 wizzyrea mornin cait
04:11 * cait waves
03:32 wizzyrea gnite
03:31 pianohacker night
02:33 mtompset Have a good day, everyone. :)
00:50 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.
00:50 druthb @later tell tcohen ...and at 0050, it's back! yay!
00:38 druthb (until now)
00:37 druthb University of Cordoba. tcohen set us up with that, and it's worked *splendidly*
00:37 cjh haha
00:37 dcook I might've caught some heat about staying up installing Koha with the Deb packages last night, but...'twas fun. Looking forward to more Debian-related playing
00:37 pianohacker druthb: that's frustrating. who hosts that anyway?
00:36 cjh excellent :)
00:36 dcook Ack, my plan*
00:35 dcook That's certainly a plan
00:35 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.
00:35 druthb @later tell tcohen Both the translation server, and Jacinto, are not working, as of 23 May, 0035 UTC
00:35 dcook cjh: Just saw the reference to gitify in my scrollback :p
00:35 dcook Morning #koha
00:34 druthb Hrm....The translation server, and the gateway for SSH-ing into it, are both unavailable at the moment. rangi, that will delay things.
00:30 pianohacker bye Quoc, have a good day
00:29 Quoc Thanks all and see u
00:28 pianohacker haven't had an argument about javascript with him in a while, those were always fun
00:28 pianohacker gotcha
00:27 jcamins pianohacker: slef is still around occasionally.
00:27 eythian hmm, yeah I think that's right
00:27 Quoc It is now 12 27 UTC now?
00:27 eythian I dunno. Timezones maybe?
00:27 pianohacker what happened to mjr, btw?
00:27 pianohacker so used to mjr's date -d @ followups that I'd forgotten
00:27 Quoc It is ok, i can check it on internet
00:26 pianohacker yup, see it attached to the email now
00:26 eythian pianohacker: there's a site for that, you know
00:26 pianohacker Quoc: sorry, was going to send you a tip on how to convert times in Linux, but that seems to have gone out of vogue
00:25 eythian ah, that'll do it.
00:25 Quoc Rght, i am learning PhD in russia
00:25 pianohacker ah, nvm, we're sending links to a timezone converter now
00:25 eythian The internet is a strange beast sometimes.
00:25 eythian oh weird, your IP looks russian.
00:25 Quoc I am using koha on u ubuntu and trying to introduce it in my country, vietnam
00:25 eythian Also in Russia it looks like.
00:24 Quoc Yes
00:24 pianohacker Quoc: are you on a Linux/Mac system, by any chance?
00:24 Quoc Ah, it is about kohaconf. Understand
00:23 eythian title claims the 5th for the next general one.
00:23 Quoc Last meeting i was late 2hours because of checking current time.
00:23 jcamins There's one tomorrow about Kohacon.
00:23 jcamins Not to my knowledge.
00:22 Quoc There is a meeting here today, after 10hour, isn't it?
00:22 pianohacker anything we can help you with, Quoc? :)
00:22 * pianohacker whistles innocently
00:20 eythian be like that!
00:20 pianohacker *sniff*
00:20 pianohacker well, fine
00:18 jcamins Hello.
00:17 Quoc Hi every one