Time  Nick         Message
00:00 jcamins      I observed that. :)
00:05 dcook        So "New Child Record" is part of the "Enhanced workflow"
00:05 jcamins      Right.
00:05 dcook        And "Analyze Items" and "Link to host item" are EasyAnalytical-related?
00:05 jcamins      Right.
00:07 dcook        Yeah, "EasyAnalyticals" seems...fishy
00:07 jcamins      It's a very cool feature.
00:08 jcamins      Provided you understand its limitations, which are numerous.
00:08 jcamins      On the other hand, it does work in some situations where the Enhanced workflow does not. If you don't have accession numbers, the Enhanced workflow does not work.
00:09 rangi        true
00:09 dcook        Mmm, I was wondering how it did the linking
00:09 dcook        Your accession numbers being recorded in the 001, yes?
00:09 jcamins      Right.
00:10 jcamins      Also, if you circulate analytics a lot, the enhanced workflow will not do it for you.
00:10 dcook        No?
00:10 wahanui      http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif
00:10 jcamins      Because people will be expecting the articles to be in, when they are, in fact, checked out.
00:10 jcamins      eythian: lol
00:11 jcamins      dcook: enhanced analytics has no connection to items.
00:11 jcamins      Or whatever they called it.
00:11 jcamins      "Enhanced workflow."
00:11 dcook        Mmm, makes sense.
00:12 dcook        "Enhanced workflow" seems yeah...like regular old cataloguing but saves you the step of filling out the 773 on the child record (or whatever it's supposed to be called)
00:12 jcamins      Now, the code for EasyAnalytics is still disappointing, even with the amount of rewriting I did, but the feature itself does have its place.
00:12 jcamins      Exactly.
00:12 jcamins      It is an enhanced workflow for bibliographic analysis.
00:12 dcook        Cool
00:12 jcamins      And therefore also doesn't make a whole lot of sense for synthetic collections.
00:12 dcook        Although it relies on the 001 which can be problematic :/
00:13 dcook        synthetic collections?
00:13 jcamins      Bound-withs that have a volume record.
00:13 jcamins      I may have made that term up on the spot.
00:13 jcamins      Hard to say.
00:13 dcook        haha
00:14 dcook        And that's where EasyAnalytics comes in
00:14 jcamins      Right.
00:14 jcamins      Very different use cases.
00:14 dcook        The "Enhanced workflow" seems very librarian-y
00:14 jcamins      It is.
00:14 jcamins      Which is why I like it better, now that it exists. :P
00:14 dcook        hehe
00:15 dcook        EasyAnalytics seems like it could be more useful for patrons
00:15 * dcook      ponders this
00:16 dcook        If the host item showed some details and the status of the linked items...that would be useful
00:16 dcook        Hmm, interesting.
00:16 wahanui      interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:18 rangi        right google (and other indexing engines) should be able to index bugs.koha-community.org now .. ill see how that goes
00:28 mtompset     Hmmm... progress.
00:28 wahanui      hmmm... progress is good
00:56 mtj          rangi++ looks good :D
00:57 rangi        will take a few days for google to notice
00:57 jcamins      What did you change?
00:57 jcamins      Just the robots.txt?
00:59 * jcamins    glumly contemplates circulation.tt.
00:59 rangi        yep
00:59 rangi        and added a sitemap
00:59 jcamins      There is an absurd amount of cruft in that file.
01:00 rangi        yup
01:00 jcamins      circulation.tt, not the sitemap.
01:03 rangi        we should be able to generate sitemaps for koha easily too actually
01:03 rangi        using Search::Sitemap
01:03 jcamins      fredericd has a script for generating sitemaps.
01:04 rangi        *nod*
01:04 rangi        now thats a plugin i could get behind
01:06 jcamins      Hmmm.
01:07 jcamins      UseTablesortForCirc sets whether or not Datatables are used for the checkout tables.
01:07 jcamins      Is used.
01:07 jcamins      Whichever is proper.
01:07 jcamins      I don't think I need to provide the option.
01:08 jcamins      I haven't decided which option I'll use, but it's much more straightforward to only have one.
01:50 jcamins      bgkriegel++
01:58 eythian      https://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&q=atari+breakout
02:03 dcook        eythian: you always find all the best stuff
02:07 cjh          :o :o :o
02:21 eythian      it's mostly a sign that the rest of you need to pick up your game :)
02:23 ibeardslee   although I do notice that it was pasted in the our work IRC a couple of minutes before it ended up in here
02:25 eythian      I'm not in the work IRC channel. Hah!
02:50 jcamins      Oh, hey... bug 9452 and bug 10230 are definitely going into 3.12.0, so it would be nice if someone other than me looked at them before that happened.
02:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9452 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , C4::Letters does not function under Plack
02:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10230 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Match points do not work with authorities
02:50 jcamins      If anyone on the other side of the planet gets a chance, that'd be appreciated.
02:53 jcamins      Sign offs from this side of the planet are good too, of course, but it's 11pm so I figure everyone from this side of the planet is somewhere not on #koha.
02:53 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
03:50 mtj          anyone planning on hanging about for the wgtn-perlmongers this arvo?
03:51 eythian      I probably won't be.
03:52 mtj          ah, ok
03:52 mtj          i'm trying to talk dennie into sticking about :D
04:41 * dcook      waves to cait
04:41 cait         hi dcook
04:42 eythian      hi cait
04:43 cait         hi eythian
04:43 cait         nice new toy
04:45 eythian      yeah, it's quite neat. Need to find the development work I started on it earlier in the year and polish it up some.
04:46 * wizzyrea   waves
04:52 * cait       waves  back
05:47 cait         @wunder Konstanz
05:47 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.0°C (7:45 AM CEST on May 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
05:49 wizzyrea     @wunder nzwn
05:49 huginn       wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on May 14, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
05:49 wizzyrea     hm actually that's pretty nice
05:53 cait         bit cool here
05:54 cait         we got lots of rain the last few days
05:54 dcook        @wunder Sydney, Australia
05:54 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 18.0°C (3:30 PM EST on May 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
05:55 magnuse      @wunder boo
05:55 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on May 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
05:55 dcook        It feels a bit chilly here...I think the air conditioning is on :S
05:55 magnuse      woohoo - double digits!
05:55 * magnuse    needs breakfast - fast
05:55 wizzyrea     coffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffee
05:57 dcook        I think it might be lunch time
05:57 * dcook      looks at the clock
05:57 dcook        When did 4pm happen...
06:06 * cait       just had breakfast
06:06 cait         wizzyrea: could I interest you in taking a look at bug 9575?
06:06 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9575 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches
06:13 wizzyrea     sure
06:13 cait         i think i figured it out - superlibraian permissoin makes the difference
06:16 wizzyrea     hm.
06:17 cait         hm?
06:17 cait         i just passed it you can#t tell me now it doesn't work ;)
06:18 wizzyrea     oh no, I was finishing an email I haven't started
06:18 cait         with no superlibrarian permission and indybranches ON the pull downs showed the correct pickup libraries, but I couldn't change them, which seems right to me
06:18 cait         hopefully :)
06:18 wizzyrea     so it's still broken with superlibrarian?
06:20 * wizzyrea   esploded her laptop (fixably) a couple of weeks ago, but the side effect is that I don't have my git aliases atm
06:21 cait         wizzyrea: no it seems to work alright for that
06:21 cait         always giving you the full pulldown
06:21 cait         to pick
06:21 wizzyrea     ah ok
06:23 wizzyrea     so all good then?
06:23 cait         hopefully yes
06:23 cait         with the patch
06:23 cait         i must have changed something with my permissions when testing i guess
06:24 wizzyrea     i'll test it again anyway
06:28 cait         wizzyrea: won't hurt
06:28 cait         wizzyrea: i had to log in again after changing my permissoins to make it work
06:32 reiveune     hello
06:46 cait         br
06:46 cait         b
06:58 Joubu        hello #koha
07:00 magnuse      hiya Joubu
07:01 alex_a       hello
07:02 christophe_c hello #koha
07:05 gaetan_B     hello
07:06 wizzyrea     i've got a weird problem where imported patrons seem to be coming in with expiry dates of 0000-00-00 - irritatingly I can't replicate it
07:16 wizzyrea     no - sorry i meant debarred dates
07:16 wizzyrea     i had expiry in my mind.
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07:31 rangi        evening
07:32 magnuse      morning
07:35 * wizzyrea   just settles on "hi"
07:35 rangi        heh
07:36 magnuse      ooh, very clever wizzyrea :-)
07:36 * magnuse    makes a note for future greetings
07:42 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Envie d'essayer Koha 3.10 ? Vous pouvez utiliser notre site de démonstration par ici : http://t.co/NO6jcmin1w  #KohaILS"
07:42 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Fancy trying Koha 3.10 ? You can try our demonstration website right here: http://t.co/VeeJMw7mUz #KohaILS"
07:42 wizzyrea     grrrr. Gr!
07:43 rangi        ?
07:45 wizzyrea     i cannot, for the life of me, make any process I can think of stick 0's in the debarred field. and it's pissing me off.
07:45 wizzyrea     sorry, it's irritating.
07:56 magnuse      [off] wow, yesterday i got an email to my private email from a complete stranger that starts out "Dear Help Desk" and asks a question about koha installation...
07:56 huginn       GERMS!!!!
07:56 wahanui      germs is, like, http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
07:57 wizzyrea     [off] everyone on the support vendor page got one I think
07:57 * wizzyrea   goes for water
07:58 rangi        [off] yep, definitely catalyst and katipo did
07:58 kf           [off] got what?
07:59 rangi        [off] an email to "Dear Help Desk" hten asks about koha installation
08:02 magnuse      [off] ah, way to go! ;-)
08:09 magnuse      wizzyrea++
08:11 * wizzyrea   wonders why freenode isn't connected... hmm
08:11 wizzyrea     oh it is, I just didn't join my channels >.< silly.
08:12 magnuse      that would do it...
08:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #120 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:13 wizzyrea     that thing we're doing, where we put the bug numbers in the db updates - I like it.
09:13 wizzyrea     moar of that plox
09:13 wizzyrea     :)
09:17 * magnuse    thaouht that was in the coding guidelines
09:17 magnuse      but it doesn't look like it us
09:17 magnuse      s/us/is/
09:18 wizzyrea     actually if you ever question whether you should put the bug number in... put it in.
09:18 wizzyrea     ;P
09:19 magnuse      good rule! :-)
09:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #120: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/120/
09:35 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 10185: Fix update 3.09.00.025
09:35 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 10185: Add missing columns in update 3.09.00.025
09:35 jenkins_koha * Christophe Croullebois: Bug 7228: can't add items in an order with Modify
09:35 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10185 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , updatedatabase.pl remove all reserves
09:35 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7228 major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file
09:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #314 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #314: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/314/
10:14 jenkins_koha Christophe Croullebois: Bug 7228: can't add items in an order with Modify
10:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7228 major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file
10:14 magnuse      success! \o/
10:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #315 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #315: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/315/
10:51 jenkins_koha Christophe Croullebois: Bug 9923 - correction of a bug due to bz 7129
10:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9923 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , correction of a bug due to bz 7129
11:23 * magnuse    wonders if jcamins is planning to work on bug 10240, or if he was just jotting down an idea
11:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB
11:34 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "Italian #KohaILS users meeting in Roma, Italy on May 22th, i'll be here ! ( https://t.co/NI4bh8gXAH )"
11:47 drojf        hi #koha
11:49 kf           hi drojf
11:51 drojf        hi kf
12:03 jcamins      magnuse: I'm working on it. That's why I marked it "sponsored."
12:03 magnuse      jcamins: very cool!
12:04 magnuse      guess i'm not in the habit of looking at the sponsored field
12:04 kf           i got asked about that today
12:04 kf           offline circ with borrowers etc.
12:05 magnuse      jcamins: do you think that work might fix the "issue" viktor was talking about, where staff (want to) scan books faster than koha can respond?
12:05 jcamins      magnuse: probably not, no.
12:05 magnuse      dang :-)
12:06 magnuse      will there be anything ajaxy for getting "cached" operations sent to the server?
12:06 jcamins      Yes.
12:06 magnuse      kf: isn't there a solution for that, where you create a db of users etc?
12:06 magnuse      or did that stop working?
12:06 kf           magnuse: yeah, but you have to create them server side
12:06 magnuse      jcamins: it might be a good start on the fast-scanning thing, then :-)
12:07 kf           with a script
12:07 kf           not sure how jcamins is going to solve that: :)
12:07 jcamins      kf: I'm going to let magnuse work on it because I don't care. :P
12:08 jcamins      None of my clients check out enough for checkouts to be "too fast."
12:08 magnuse      :-)
12:11 jcamins      kf: you're probably not going to be able to use the offline circ.
12:12 jcamins      It involves saving patron information to the desktop.
12:13 kf           yeah i know
12:15 kf           hi oleonard
12:15 oleonard     Hi
12:15 wahanui      privet, oleonard
12:16 jcamins      magnuse: http://git.cpbibliography.com/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/bug_html5_oc
12:16 jcamins      I'll probably be renaming the branch at some point.
12:18 jcamins      Checkins are fully functional at this point. Checking things out and paying fines is not.
12:24 kf           arg
12:24 kf           sorry for missing the string changes
12:24 jcamins      No problem.
12:24 jcamins      That's why I check.
12:24 kf           because you don't trust me? ;)
12:24 kf           nah, 4 eyes are better
12:25 jcamins      Because it's a good idea to check again.
12:25 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
12:25 mtompset     Greetings, kf jcamins. :)
12:25 kf           hi mtompset
12:28 jcamins      Hello.
12:30 jcamins      Oh, hey... bug 9452 and bug 10230 are definitely going into 3.12.0, so if anyone has time it would be nice if someone other than me looked at them before that happened.
12:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9452 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , C4::Letters does not function under Plack
12:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10230 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Match points do not work with authorities
12:35 kf           jcamins: i will try to send my mail tonight... things totalyl crazy here
12:36 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9575' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a78d26dc63ae35056d5f42f6174101c6150e7faf> / Bug 9575 - Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98b96c88d7ee97aa194cf7d2f1f69f1c5cabbb96> / Merge branch 'bug_10233' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a8
12:38 jcamins      Thanks.
12:38 jcamins      Oh, that reminds me.
12:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #30 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:41 drojf        is there a way to set how long the opac search history is kept?
12:41 jcamins      drojf: I don't think so.
12:41 drojf        oh. there should be
12:41 jcamins      At least, not as a patron.
12:42 magnuse      Finns are cool: "[Pocket] Library is a new kind of a service for library patrons. It runs on modern iPhone and Android smartphones. The service expands the traditional notion of checking out materials, making it possible for library users to check out books and other items directly from other users anywhere." https://github.com/helsinki-city-library/pocketlibrary
12:42 drojf        i don't think we are allowed to store search history for ever
12:42 drojf        but it would be nice to keep the option in general
12:43 drojf        kf: do your libraries use opac search history?
12:43 jcamins      Poor magnuse... lots of Norwegian still to translate.
12:43 drojf        magnuse: are you doing nynorsk and bokmål?
12:43 magnuse      nope, only bokmål
12:44 magnuse      and i skip everything that is 1. ina ahelp file or 2. only relevant to marc21 and unimarc
12:44 drojf        heh
12:44 drojf        cheater :P
12:44 jcamins      Probably wise.
12:44 magnuse      s/ina ahelp/in a help/
12:44 magnuse      drojf: i know ;-)
12:45 magnuse      Bug 7934 and bug 7939
12:46 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po file for help pages
12:46 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po files for different MARC dialects
12:46 magnuse      more po files?
12:46 magnuse      more po files are bug 7934 and bug 7939
12:46 magnuse      more po files?
12:46 wahanui      more po files are bug 7934 and bug 7939
12:49 oleonard     If I have  DebugLevel set to show no debugging information shouldn't a 500 error in the OPAC trigger the 500 error template instead of a white screen with an error?
12:50 jcamins      oleonard: only if Koha traps the error, which it almost never does.
12:51 oleonard     Bad Koha.
12:51 magnuse      jcamins: the string count is not as bad as the word count - there are a lot of looong strings in the help files that i am skipping
12:52 jcamins      magnuse: hehe.
12:55 jcamins      Okay, I announced that as threatened the string freeze is ending on Saturday.
12:56 magnuse      yay
12:57 oleonard     Interesting... According to Wikipedia Catalan, Czech, and Kurdish Sorani all have about the same number of native speakers.
12:58 druthb       @quote random
12:58 huginn       druthb: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 02:00 PM, October 07, 2009)
12:58 oleonard     Error messages in the OPAC say "Use top menu bar to navigate to another part of Koha." I wonder how long ago that top menu bar went away?
12:58 jcamins      Chinese (China) is so close!
12:58 magnuse      oleonard: ooh, coincidence?
12:58 wahanui      ...or enemy action...
12:58 jcamins      oleonard: a long, long time.
12:59 oleonard     Should we replace that suggestion with something else, or just take it out?
12:59 oleonard     Does the user need to be encouraged to try something else?
12:59 magnuse      lol
12:59 jcamins      I don't know.
12:59 * jcamins    leaves.
13:00 oleonard     We could point them back to the OPAC home page, or shorten it to "Navigate to another part of Koha."
13:01 oleonard     ...not that any particular catalog might actually be identified to the user as Koha.
13:07 oleonard     I'll just change the message to say "Go away."
13:11 oleonard     "Oh my god, you killed Koha! You bastard!"
13:15 * druthb     blinks.
13:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #30: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/30/
13:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10233 - Toolbar background missing from staff client catalogue page
13:16 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9575 - Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches
13:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10233 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Toolbar background missing from staff client catalogue page
13:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9575 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches
13:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #1171 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1164 7 days 23 hr ago)
13:17 magnuse      oleonard++
13:20 oleonard     "<!-- begin code Mamata-->" ?
13:21 magnuse      ?
13:21 oleonard     In one of the SCO templates
13:23 kf           hm customization that slipped in? git blame? :)
13:24 oleonard     It has been there all along.
13:24 kf           :)
13:25 magnuse      easter egg?
13:26 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "ByWater Solutions At CLA (CT) and FLA http://t.co/c64RZpb5nh #KohaILS"
13:50 drojf        i am mildly surprised that it is going to rain on the one day i did not bring appropriate clothing
13:59 tcohen       oh, the dates are approaching too fast
14:06 mtompset     Kenny and Koha both start with K, but that's about where the similarities end. :P
14:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1171: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1171/
14:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10233 - Toolbar background missing from staff client catalogue page
14:26 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9575 - Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches
14:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10233 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Toolbar background missing from staff client catalogue page
14:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9575 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches
14:29 oleonard     hush jenkins_koha & huginn, stop waking me up
14:52 mtompset     Who is looking into bug 7593?
14:52 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7593 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , merging bib records loses connection to order line
14:53 jcamins      Mathieu and Jonathan.
14:54 mtompset     Okay. Because that seems to be the source of the unstable build.
14:54 jcamins      Yes.
14:55 Joubu        mtompset: Yep, I proposed a patch.
14:56 Joubu        jcamins: Maybe I should change the status to "passed qa" ?
14:56 jcamins      Joubu: yes please. :)
14:58 Joubu        jcamins: ok, done
14:58 jcamins      Thanks.
15:03 mtompset     So is chris' email to all of us automated, or did he just grab everyone's email from patches pushed since failure?
15:06 reiveune     bye
15:08 kf           mtompset: jenkins is whining at you?
15:08 kf           the answer is yes
15:08 kf           it's automated and it whines at everyone that could be involved (patches pushed since it started failing)
15:09 mtompset     But it has chris' email address and name?
15:09 mtompset     Oh scratch that... just email address.
15:10 mtompset     Okay. It's an automated whine.
15:10 jcamins      Still automated.
15:11 jcamins      Automated e-mail sending scripts don't have to have their own e-mail address.
15:15 mtompset     True enough, but you can always fake the "From" so it would say Jenkins.
15:16 drojf        if i wanted to have an option to regularly clear all but the entries of the last x days from search_history, would there be any other option than a cron job?
15:18 drojf        (search_history is in sql if that wasn't obvious)
15:19 drojf        kf: ping
15:21 drojf        err, clear all entries BUT those of the last x days… doesn't matter for the question i guess
15:21 jcamins      drojf: no, and that cron job already exists.
15:21 jcamins      What you'd need to add is the ability for the patron to specify the length of time.
15:22 drojf        jcamins: OH yes, i forgot i wanted to have a look at the cron jobs before asking. then i took a break and had a fight with a vending machine and forgot about it :/
15:23 drojf        not sure if we would want the patron to specify that at all. personally i would like to have that option
15:24 jcamins      Oh, well, if the patrons can't specify it, the featurea already exists.
15:24 drojf        i think that would be enough for my colleague who asked about it. we'll see
15:24 jcamins      "Fifty-two percent of the top 100"... wouldn't you usually say 52 of the top 100?
15:25 drojf        lol
15:26 drojf        i would
15:26 oleonard     Or if you're in the U.S. Senate, "Almost a majority of the top 100"
15:26 jcamins      lol
15:30 drojf        why is there a "Installation Guide for Configuring a Koha Server to Use a Gmail Account as its SMTP Server" in the cronjobs folder? (CONFIGURE.gmail)
15:30 drojf        *an
15:31 * oleonard   git-blames chris_n
15:32 drojf        ah yeah i should learn to use git blame :)
15:32 drojf        doen't really answer the "why" though
15:32 drojf        *doesn't
15:33 gaetan_B     bye !
15:34 jcamins      drojf: because all the cool kids were using gmail when it first came out, and there was a query to the list nearly daily about how to set it up.
15:34 kf           ^^ what he said
15:34 drojf        jcamins: but why is it in cronjobs?
15:35 jcamins      drojf: no idea.
15:36 drojf        i don't find a cronjob related to search history though.
15:36 jcamins      It's somewhere...
15:37 jcamins      batch_anonymise.pl
15:37 drojf        i found that but i understand it is not for search history but circulation
15:38 drojf        will be a good starting point though
15:38 drojf        kf: how do you do that in your libraries?
15:39 drojf        kf hates me
15:39 drojf        ^^
15:40 kf           hm?
15:41 jcamins      drojf: I thought it was supposed to do both.
15:41 kf           we are probably going to use our own sql scripts
15:41 kf           we have user data in so many tables... and there is deletedborrowers... and other things
15:42 kf           and it's not only patrons, it's also staff user data
15:42 kf           it's fun! ;)
15:44 mtompset     drojf: git blame combined with git show is very useful.
15:44 maximep      tig is also great to do blames
15:45 mtompset     Is tig more bouncy like tigger? ;)
15:45 kf           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Circulation.pm;h=1de40e86658ad8bc4e30c24f098420504f9f1ae2;hb=a78d26dc63ae35056d5f42f6174101c6150e7faf#l2837
15:45 kf           only old issues, but don't we have the connection still in the logs then?
15:45 drojf        jcamins: as far as i can see it does not do both
15:46 drojf        oh kf was faster
15:46 kf           that's because i hate you ;)
15:46 kf           nah
15:46 drojf        :(
15:46 * kf         hands you a cookie
15:47 kf           would I try to find that out if I really did?
15:47 jcamins      Maybe.
15:47 drojf        yes, to show me how stupid i am
15:47 drojf        ^^
15:47 jcamins      In order to crush his dreams.
15:47 drojf        lol
15:47 kf           lol
15:47 drojf        thanks for the cookie :)
15:47 jcamins      I have a problem. These shelves are too short.
15:48 jcamins      Also, there are too many books.
15:48 kf           is ther such a think?
15:48 kf           thing?
15:48 wahanui      thing is I need to find that record
15:48 drojf        i had a vending machine steal a snickers and the backup snickers that i only bought to kick the first one out too. i don't like this day
15:48 kf           lol
15:48 jcamins      kf: there is when your goal is putting all the books on shelves.
15:49 jcamins      drojf: you should go home and bake.
15:49 jcamins      Hm. But I bet you don't have rice flour yet, do you?
15:49 drojf        jcamins: i have a meeting for 2 hours starting in 10 minutes. that is why i wanted a snickers :/
15:49 drojf        (and yes, i got them both out with violent rage)
15:49 kf           drojf: maybe you could add it here? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl;h=99310df4d12848309f3a020416cdd8e059408922;hb=a78d26dc63ae35056d5f42f6174101c6150e7faf
15:50 drojf        kf: that looks like a good place
15:50 drojf        have to take a deeper look later
15:51 drojf        closer look. whatever
15:51 drojf        a look.
15:51 drojf        ;)
15:51 kf           drojf: maybe a new script to do privacy things would not be a bad thing
15:51 drojf        kf: a page to tell about privacy things would be nice too. i remember some drojf starting one and never having time to work on it :D
15:52 kf           ah that drojf..,.
15:52 drojf        the drojf that likes to start things
15:52 * drojf      heads to the meeting
15:52 drojf        later
15:55 kf           jcamins: any opinion about dashes in authorized values?
15:55 kf           bug 10237
15:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10237 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Enforce authorized value character limitations
15:55 kf           i am looking for more opinions - so anyone feel free to comment :)
15:56 jcamins      kf: better a dash than a space, but disallowing dashes might not be a bad idea either.
15:57 kf           I remember someone had E-book e-journal or something and they had wrong results
15:57 kf           wish i could rememeber more clearly
15:58 kf           bye all
15:59 * oleonard   vaguely remembers what kf is talking about
16:02 oleonard     No, what I remember is Bug 7456
16:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7456 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , itypes with similar codes throw off search results
16:03 oleonard     "When performing a search for itype "BOOK", items with the itype code of "E-BOOK" appears in the opac search results."
16:07 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @gsDetermination: "Are you looking for open source library tools? Start with @KohaILS | http://t.co/axwjjq30i7  #openlibraries"
16:10 gmcharlt     @quote random
16:10 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #111: "<thd> kf: Many things can be funded with many people and small amounts." (added by druthb at 12:28 PM, December 15, 2010)
16:39 maximep      2010, that's before kickstarted really started
16:39 maximep      now it seems obvious
16:42 oleonard     Except now with Kickstarter people fund in small amounts but don't get to share "ownership" of the product.
16:53 Dyrcona      I have seen a few attempts at doing something like Kickstarter for enhancements and development of FOSS, but most have failed.
16:57 oleonard     I would think if a FOSS project had the critical mass to fund something they would also have the infrastructure to get the word out on their own.
16:57 oleonard     Maybe it's the handling-the-money part that's the hard thing
17:22 * chris_n    suddenly feels guilty
17:44 maximep      indiegogo would be way better than kickstarter for open source
17:44 maximep      as it's more international
17:45 maximep      and you can get the money faster
17:45 maximep      and iirc you can set it to have the money even if you dont reach the goal
17:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #31 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:54 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7593' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b877167f5231f7eef6c7f82cba9322bdba0dbac> / Bug 7593: Fix unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=94e00ac835568d82222bd2214df0bf19cbe0f82b>
18:19 mtompset     anyone familiar with simplesamlphp?
18:25 rambutan     maximep et al: the reprap people were talking about flattr just now. https://flattr.com/
18:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #31: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/31/
18:33 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 7593: Fix unit tests
18:33 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7593 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , merging bib records loses connection to order line
18:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #1172 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1164 8 days 4 hr ago)
18:40 mtompset     How long does a build normally take?
18:41 jcamins      An hour?
18:41 wahanui      i guess an hour is over, what does this do: find /sbin/init    ?
18:49 maximep      rambutan: isn't flattr more like tipping a blog or something you like ? I guess it can be used as a form of donation
18:49 maximep      while indiegogo has goals, prizes for different donations, etc
19:21 oleonard     tcohen: Did you see Bug 10178?
19:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10178 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Passed QA , Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21
19:21 tcohen       heh, no
19:21 tcohen       duplicate maybe
19:21 oleonard     Double-check, but I think it is.
19:22 tcohen       i swear i searched typo on bz
19:22 oleonard     I searched for 008 on Bugzilla and got Bug 8 :)
19:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, TransferLog ErrorLog apache parameters
19:22 tcohen       that was my first search actually
19:23 oleonard     I just recently realized you can do a search like "summary:008" and have it just search the summary field.
19:24 oleonard     Maybe I should have known that for a while
19:24 tcohen       confirmed duplicate
19:30 magnuse      to find 008 you can search for "008" :-)
19:34 rangi        https://www.google.co.nz/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=site:bugs.koha-community.org+opac&oq=site:bugs.koha-community.org+opac&gs_l=hp.3...1185.12869.0.12954.41.35.3.0.0.2.2057.17757.4-17j12j0j1j0j1.31.0...0.0...1c.1.12.psy-ab.v9zLbji-m7c&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46471029,d.ZG4&fp=fd20c68869dd0a3b&biw=1276&bih=902
19:34 cait         morning rangi
19:34 tcohen       hi rangi
19:34 rangi        its only just started crawling, but that should become more useful over time
19:34 rangi        morning
19:35 * jcamins    realizes something kind of cool: the offline circ worked *even though I'm not on a branch that includes the code*.
19:35 rangi        https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Abugs.koha-community.org+  too when it fetches the new robots.txt
19:36 rangi        that is kinda cool!
19:36 jcamins      Now to make it do more useful things than give me patron information.
19:37 rangi        :)
19:37 jcamins      Things like, tell me if a patron is blocked.
19:38 jcamins      We have a JS function called "validate1"?!?
19:39 cait         ?
19:39 cait         i think that's probably not the most weird thing we have
19:39 jcamins      Hehe.
19:39 jcamins      Probably not.
19:39 cait         as long as it acutally validates something
19:39 rangi          1
19:39 rangi        i hope
19:40 rangi        it should validate precisely 1 thing :)
19:40 tcohen       "Modified stereographic for Alaska"? C'mon
19:40 maximep      Module::Bundled::Files is required to run tests. Should stuff required for tests be required in the koha deps ?
19:41 jcamins      Did I push that?
19:41 maximep      probably not the only one
19:41 jcamins      I think I pushed that. How did I miss that name?
19:41 cait         tcohen: translating? ;)
19:41 jcamins      maximep: it is required only for db_dependent, right?
19:41 rangi        yeah its for the plugins
19:41 maximep      t/00-load.t
19:41 drojf        evening
19:42 rangi        right should fix t/00-load.t to ignore it i think
19:42 tcohen       yes cait, i can't belive there's such an specific value for 008
19:42 rangi        and/or make it required .. its not really tho, its only if you want to use the plugin thingy (not the cataloguing plugins)
19:42 cait         tcohen: have you found manned spaceship yet? :)
19:43 cait         it's somewhere in the specifics for maps too...
19:43 maximep      but won't the plugins tests fail in that case ? or are the test checking if plugins are enabled
19:43 tcohen       OMG, not yet
19:43 jcamins      00-load.t? Hm.
19:43 maximep      sry for asking all those questions :p
19:43 maximep      were working on adding tests for some stuff
19:44 cait         tcohen: probably not in the new plugins, but I remember translating thatin the past
19:45 tcohen       cait: in acq, lines stands for credit lines?
19:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1172: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1172/
19:45 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 7593: Fix unit tests
19:46 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7593 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , merging bib records loses connection to order line
19:46 jcamins      Hmmm.
19:46 cait         tcohen: hm maybe more order line
19:46 cait         but only a guess
19:46 cait         you know order lines as single orders in a basket
19:49 jcamins      Okay... now I'm confused.
19:49 tcohen       yes, it refers to the lines (items) in an order
19:49 jcamins      Patrons can be restricted (i.e. debarred), in which case the message is "Patron is restricted."
19:50 jcamins      Patrons can also be temporarily restricted (i.e. huh?), in which case the message is "Patron is temporarily restricted."
19:50 jcamins      Presumably that latter is the date stored in debarred.
19:50 cait         hm makes sense so far
19:50 tcohen       debarred == permanently restricted == freezed
19:51 jcamins      cait: good. Now's where I get confused.
19:51 tcohen       temporarily is for fines in days suspensions
19:51 jcamins      How can you be permanently restricted if there's no longer a flag for it?
19:51 cait         there is
19:51 cait         you don't have to give a date i think
19:52 cait         yep i just tested it
19:52 jcamins      Oh, now I see.
19:52 cait         you don't have to
19:52 cait         give a date
19:52 jcamins      If the date is 9999-12-31 that is equivalent to "yes."
19:53 * tcohen     thinks suspensions/restrictions should be first-class citizens (i.e. have its own class and table)
19:54 jcamins      Magic numbers are EVIL!
19:59 jcamins      Why are all my ints quoted in this JSON?
20:00 oleonard     If I had a nickel for every time I asked myself that...
20:01 * cait       puts the cookie jar in the middle of #koha
20:01 cait         brb
20:02 jcamins      Hm. Slight problem with the manifest.
20:04 tcohen       could anyone tell me what Masses stand for in 008?
20:04 cait         hm i think it's music
20:05 tcohen       like marches?
20:05 cait         i worked with the german marc21 translation for that
20:05 jcamins      I think like church.
20:05 cait         had the plugin xml open and checked which position and material
20:05 cait         jcamins: yeah like that, but it belongs to the music material
20:05 cait         s
20:06 oleonard     Bye #koha
20:06 jcamins      cait: right, a mass is a musical church service.
20:06 jcamins      :)
20:06 cait         oh right sorry
20:08 tcohen       and how would u call it in spanish jcamins? :-P
20:09 jcamins      Okay... is there a syspref called MaxFine?
20:10 jcamins      There is, and it has nothing to do with maxoutstanding, which is what I wanted.
20:26 magnuse      RFPs--
20:27 jcamins      RFPs--
20:28 cait         good night all
20:30 tcohen       bye cait
20:35 tcohen       jcamins, what's the difference between 'Map series' and 'Map serial'?
20:35 maximep      is mibbit banned on oftc ?
20:36 tcohen       usually maximep
20:37 mtompset     Hey. One less error. YAY! :)
20:38 jcamins      tcohen: a map series is a set of distinct maps issued to be used together.
20:38 jcamins      A map serial is a map that is issued in parts.
20:38 jcamins      (in an ongoing fashion)
20:40 bag          heya magnuse
20:40 wahanui      magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
20:41 fcapovilla   khall: I'm looking at bug 9394. It seems that some templates modifications that are needed for this patch to pass QA are in another bug, bug 7710...
20:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9394 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Use reserve_id where possible
20:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title
20:43 tcohen       thanks jcamins, clearly understood!
20:46 * jcamins    tests redownloading an entire database on an unreliable wifi connection.
20:47 jcamins      234983 / 5000
20:47 wahanui       46.9966
20:47 jcamins      It takes a while.
20:50 drojf        47 days? :)
20:50 jcamins      No, 47 blocks, at ~ 7s/block.
20:50 jcamins      47*7
20:50 jcamins      wahanui: 47 * 7
20:50 wahanui      329
20:51 jcamins      Five and a half minutes.
20:51 drojf        ah ok, that is not really long:)
20:52 jcamins      Not compared to other things, no.
20:55 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @ranginui: "time for another intro to #KohaILS session (well in an hour anyway)"
20:56 jcamins      I really don't want to join biblioitems just for itemtype.
20:57 jcamins      Especially since it'll just be the fallback option in a COALESCE.
21:09 jcamins      Now... how do I get UTF-8 out of JSON?
21:10 jcamins      Hm.
21:10 jcamins      I'm getting UTF-8.
21:10 rangi        whats jenkins problem now
21:10 rangi        oh same one
21:11 jcamins      rangi: yeah, I'm not sure if I'm going to revert or not.
21:12 rangi        my current fave opac
21:12 rangi        http://maktaba.ku.ac.ke/
21:13 jcamins      Wow, they added a lot of content on the sidebar!
21:13 wizzyrea     those are some massive book covers
21:13 rangi        yeah those are from librarything
21:13 wizzyrea     but that is a lovely looking library
21:14 rangi        good links on the side, nice banner at the top
21:14 maximep      the broken image below the banner isn't nice :P
21:16 jcamins      Okay... how do I set the charset?
21:17 jcamins      Found it. -charset => 'utf-8'
21:17 rangi        for CGI.pm ? yep
21:18 * jcamins    redownloads the entire database.
21:23 jcamins      And the encoding is still wrong.
21:23 magnuse      hiya bag
21:23 * magnuse    is not really here
21:23 bag          heh
21:24 gmcharlt     and yet the absent speak ;)
21:24 jcamins      Okay, better.
21:24 jcamins      Encoding is right, content-type is wrong.
21:53 gml          Hi everyone
21:53 gml          After testing authorities query (auth_finder.pl), there are some entries which cannot be found in web GUI. how can I correct this?
21:53 gml          Those were loaded by using bulkmarcimport.pl, then I applied rebuild_zebra.pl and restart zebra and zebraqueue services.
21:53 gml          I also verified by looking directly in auth_header table that registers were created.  (invoked URL: /cgi-bin/koha/authorities/auth_finder.pl?authtypecode=PERSO_NAME&index=tag_100_subfield_a_633164_506494&value_main= )
21:59 dan          sn
22:06 gml          BTW, mibbit is banning oftc.net and I couldn't access this chatroom in the usual way (for me).
22:18 druthb       gml: looks like the other way 'round...mibbit's ip has gotten the banhammer from OFTC.
22:43 trea         koha irc logs down?
22:43 gml          After testing authorities query (auth_finder.pl), there are some entries which cannot be found in web GUI. how can I correct this?
22:43 gml          Those were loaded by using bulkmarcimport.pl, then I applied rebuild_zebra.pl and restart zebra and zebraqueue services.
22:43 gml          I also verified by looking directly in auth_header table that registers were created.  (invoked URL: /cgi-bin/koha/authorities/auth_finder.pl?authtypecode=PERSO_NAME&index=tag_100_subfield_a_633164_506494&value_main= )
22:44 gml          thx beforehand
23:46 bag          trea I was using them yesterday
23:46 bag          logs?
23:46 wahanui      i heard logs was http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
23:47 trea         ah k. looks like my bookmarks are out of date
23:47 bag          ah that's it :D
23:48 trea         @bag++
23:48 huginn       trea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
23:48 trea         bag++
23:48 trea         oh huginn, you comedian.
23:48 dcook        [off] For anyone who hasn't seen it on FB...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo
23:48 bag          HA RDA is ready huginn
23:48 trea         that's a great one dcook
23:49 dcook        trea: I hadn't bothered because I'm not much for pop FB stuff, but yep. Pretty darned great :D
23:49 trea         i hope someone else makes such great space vids after Chris returns to earth.
23:49 trea         iirc his mission ends soon
23:49 dcook        Already has :/
23:49 trea         bah
23:50 dcook        Yesterday or the day before I think
23:50 dcook        Or possibly today...
23:50 dcook        Living in the future is weird :S
23:50 trea         tell me about it
23:51 trea         but you get two birthdays, so that's pretty rad. :D
23:51 dcook        lol
23:51 dcook        I never thought of that
23:51 bag          today is trea's birthday here
23:51 bag          I guess it's over for him there
23:51 trea         oh ya. that reminds me. i need to call my nephew and wish him happy bday. his is today.
23:52 bag          or tomorrow?
23:52 wahanui      well, tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today.
23:52 trea         it's the same day as mine
23:52 trea         :D
23:52 bag          :D
23:52 dcook        Nice!
23:53 dcook        Happy birthday, btw!
23:53 dcook        Or belated birthday as it were
23:54 trea         ty ty
23:57 * dcook      really wants to be in Québec for his birthday one day...
23:58 dcook        As far as I know, June 24th is only a holiday in Québec. Something I only learned about in recent years. As a child, I noticed the name of the day on the calendar, but nothing is celebrated in the rest of Canada on that day.