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23:59 rangi apparently not
23:58 jcamins But I feel like that should have gone without saying.
23:58 jcamins Or, of course, if you're using control number links.
23:58 rangi yep
23:57 jcamins Where it does not work is if you are looking to create links that are not Koha-internal.
23:57 rangi true
23:56 jcamins Well, it also works fine if all you care about is the 773$a/$t/etc.
23:55 rangi i recommend people dont use it
23:55 rangi easy analytics is fine if you never ever want to export your records
23:55 rangi yeah
23:54 jcamins You know what? I'm going to ignore it because I haven't the energy to explain that those are two entirely separate features that do not work together.
23:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10241 normal, P4, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Easy analyticals creates two 773 fields. Search/link from host to children is broken
23:54 jcamins Bug 10241
23:53 dcook One of those things where it grows more powerful the more you say it's name? ;)
23:53 jcamins wtf?
23:53 jcamins dcook: despair. We must never speak of it.
23:52 dcook I sometimes wonder what lurks in the bowels of Koha
23:52 dcook Certainly something to be said for neatness
23:52 jcamins But at least it was neat crap.
23:52 rangi but at least i could find stuff ;)
23:52 rangi the code was crap
23:51 rangi sory 120k
23:51 rangi better than our 12k line Circulation.pm
23:50 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=oldkoha_1_0_7.git;a=tree;f=C4/Circulation;h=0e8b899d0775213bd7a451d6f8c7926375c9ae3d;hb=af4638781075ffc99a6e92fe4a578a61654c19db
23:50 rangi i like this
23:50 rangi i must say
23:50 jcamins That makes sense.
23:50 jcamins Thanks.
23:50 jcamins Ah.
23:50 rangi afaict
23:49 rangi back when we didnt have old_issues
23:49 rangi that used to be a boolean
23:48 jcamins Any idea about issues.return?
23:48 jcamins Thanks. That's what it looked like to me too.
23:48 rangi so yes, issuingbranch is not used anymore (from a quick grep)
23:47 rangi but not in the issues or old_issues table
23:47 rangi well we do in statistics
23:47 rangi nope we dont
23:45 * rangi looks
23:45 rangi i dont think we record where it was returned
23:45 rangi branchcode is now where it was issued
23:44 jcamins Ahh, but at some point they got swapped?
23:44 rangi issuingbranch was where it was issued
23:44 rangi back in 2000
23:43 rangi i can confirm that branchcode is where the item was returned
23:43 jcamins I suspect they're obsolete.
23:43 jcamins Thanks.
23:42 rangi i can find out
23:41 jcamins And issues.issuingbranch.
23:41 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS Lincoln College of Technology Chooses ByWater Solutionsâ€™ Koha Support http://t.co/3CPiOWUBYT"
23:40 jcamins Does anyone have any idea what issues.return is?
23:27 jcamins It's a fractal die.
23:27 huginn jcamins: downloading the Perl source
23:27 jcamins huginn: says you!
23:27 huginn jcamins: Error: Dice can't have more than 100 sides.
23:27 jcamins @dice 1d10239
23:27 drojf jcamins: nice
23:27 huginn wizzyrea: I suck
23:27 wizzyrea huginn might do that
23:27 jcamins Oh well.
23:27 wahanui wish i knew, jcamins
23:27 jcamins wahanui: random number?
23:27 wahanui jcamins: what?
23:27 jcamins wahanui: rand() * 10000
23:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5874 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED DUPLICATE, Overdue report : Limit by date & add a new permission to restrict who can run the report
23:26 wizzyrea bug 5874
23:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB
23:26 jcamins Bug 10240
23:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, installer.pl doesn't create parent directories
23:26 eythian bug 4
23:24 jcamins Hey, I need a bug number.
23:23 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpZazF6bL7w
23:23 wizzyrea too*
23:23 wizzyrea walken reading goodnight moon is pretty funny toom
23:22 jcamins wizzyrea: actually, I've seen this.
23:22 * wizzyrea prefers dancing walken
23:22 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o0Vv8lr41w
23:22 drojf i bet there are great jquery marc modules out there :D
23:21 wizzyrea sorry you said christopher walken.
23:21 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM1fkHQP_Pw
23:21 jcamins Or less mental than that? ;)
23:21 rangi :)
23:21 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
23:21 jcamins we should use more marc?
23:21 jcamins like...
23:21 rangi that would be a bit mental really
23:21 jcamins I'm just working on implementing the functionality client-side.
23:21 rangi true
23:21 jcamins rangi: not the server.
23:20 rangi drojf: hmm, talk to jcamins ... its closer than you imagine ;)
23:20 rangi christopher walken already has that covered ibeardslee
23:20 jcamins It did not make imaginary distinctions between expression and manifestation while going all Anxiety of Influence on bibliographic terminology.
23:19 ibeardslee not more cowbell?
23:19 drojf when will we have koha for firefox os? i really feel the need for a library server on my phone
23:19 wizzyrea all_good_ideas_that_were_old_but_now_new_again++
23:19 talljoy FRBR++
23:19 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #248 added.
23:19 wizzyrea @quote add <jcamins> ..."Koha's initial FRBR implementation was sane."
23:19 rangi 3rd normal form :)
23:18 wizzyrea ^^^
23:18 jcamins Except Koha's initial FRBR implementation was sane.
23:18 wizzyrea we could almost add "we should use more MARC" to "be rangi"
23:18 rangi actually MARC killed Koha's initial FRBR implementation
23:17 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
23:17 rangi we should use more MARC
23:16 talljoy long live FRBR
23:16 talljoy MARC is dead and yet we keep it on RDA life support. sigh....
23:15 wahanui marc frameworks is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MARC_frameworks
23:15 jcamins marc frameworks?
23:15 wahanui OK, jcamins.
23:15 jcamins wahanui: marc frameworks is also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MARC_frameworks
23:15 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MARC_frameworks
23:15 talljoy yes, i can. i warn you they are hideous scripts, but they get the job done
23:15 wahanui marc frameworks are specific to Koha.
23:15 jcamins marc frameworks?
23:15 rangi talljoy: can you put them on the wiki, where the current rda one is?
23:15 jcamins talljoy: you can attach them to the wiki.
23:15 huginn talljoy: The operation succeeded.
23:15 talljoy @later tell maximep Did you still need the RDA framework scripts? ping me and i'll send you the latest and greatest for bib and auth frameworks
23:14 huginn rangi: maximep was last seen in #koha 3 days, 3 hours, 10 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <maximep> been that way for years
23:14 rangi @seen maximep
23:14 jcamins It was maximep, but it doesn't look like he's around.
23:14 talljoy i think it was maximep
23:14 talljoy and btw, someone asked me for RDA framework additions, are they in channel now?
23:14 eythian heh
23:13 jcamins eythian: don't forget "fasting add," which is appropriate when your circ staff is on hunger strike.
23:13 wizzyrea they can call it the TARDIS framework
23:13 wizzyrea "added yesterday" framework
23:13 talljoy thanks for the clarification y'all
23:13 talljoy LOL
23:13 wizzyrea JUST ADD THE DAMN THING framework
23:13 talljoy bizactly
23:13 eythian fast add, faster add, fastest add.
23:13 talljoy they have multiple fast add frameworks
23:13 jcamins Okay, that's what I understood too.
23:12 talljoy right, that's what i need to do
23:12 rangi what she said
23:12 wizzyrea if that's what they want.
23:12 wizzyrea they can import their fast add over the existing fast add.
23:12 jcamins talljoy: what?
23:12 talljoy okay, so a library who liked this option will need to have the "true fast add" framework be the one they use for checkout. (very reduced)
23:12 wizzyrea see the comic.
23:12 rangi if you want to do a real cataloguing .. go do that :-)
23:12 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
23:12 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
23:11 wizzyrea @quote get 123
23:11 rangi its now been fixed
23:11 rangi right, well its by design, changing framework is a bug
23:11 * wizzyrea suspects who reported that.
23:11 talljoy j/k she's not. but this was given to me by her. :-D
23:11 talljoy lol
23:11 talljoy and she is now complaining?
23:10 rangi reported by nengard
23:10 wahanui somebody said that one was down more often than up
23:10 rangi that one
23:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , fast cataloging not always checking out
23:10 rangi bug 7253
23:10 rangi hmm nope
23:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7523 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, Templates should respect serials routing permission
23:10 rangi bug 7523
23:10 wizzyrea ^^ makes perfect sense
23:10 rangi and you cant check out
23:10 jcamins It because a regular add.
23:09 rangi exactly
23:09 jcamins talljoy: if you change the framework when doing fast add, you break the fast add.
23:09 rangi in 3.10.4
23:09 rangi 7523
23:09 talljoy what were some of the changes to fast add functionality?
23:09 * talljoy sets her sights on rangi
23:09 talljoy gotcha! jcamins you're off the hook then. :-)
23:08 jcamins :)
23:08 jcamins I suppose, yes, I was release manager for 3.10.5, but that won't help because you're interested in a stable release.
23:08 wizzyrea maintainer I think
23:08 rangi release maintainers do .everything else
23:08 rangi they only do .0 releases
23:08 rangi he's release manager
23:08 talljoy ah. see here jcamins this is where i found your name as release manager http://koha-community.org/koha-3-10-5-released/
23:08 rangi there were definite changes to the fast add functionality
23:07 talljoy i've noticed that when circulating an unknown items the fast add cataloging option doesn't give the user the option to select the framework, they are stuck on the 'fast add framework'. i can't see anything in the release notes that would be related to a change in this behavior. (3.10.03 does give the option to select a framework)
23:07 jcamins Or maybe to 3.6.9. I don't exactly remember.
23:06 jcamins I was RMaint for 3.6.5-3.6.10 and RM for 3.12.0.
23:06 wizzyrea ^ so funny
23:06 rangi yeah, nah
23:06 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-aLyqyd2CiQ
23:06 cjh hehe
23:06 talljoy that was you rangi, even better. :-)
23:05 jcamins talljoy: no, rangi.
23:05 rangi nope thats me
23:05 rangi hehe
23:05 talljoy hey jcamins, it's my lucky day! you were release manager for 3.10.05? yes?
23:05 jcamins Now I want an iguana to introduce to Myshkin.
23:05 jcamins rangi: wow, that's awesome.
23:04 talljoy rangi that's a great video
22:40 mtompset wizzyrea++ # thanks!
22:40 mtompset Yes it was.
22:40 wizzyrea i think is what you're asking for
22:39 wahanui git status is a-ok
22:39 wizzyrea git status
22:39 mtompset what is the git command to list the files which are currently "add"ed to the commit list?
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22:33 rangi http://i.imgur.com/QuHaVhc.gif
22:00 mtompset Greetings, eythian. :)
21:59 eythian hi
21:48 rambutan yea, well, I hope not across the 4 lane highway, and every kid in the housing project would be out to catch them if they went that way.
21:47 wizzyrea away to do goosy things
21:47 rambutan they were here Sunday, took off walking, and now not to be found. No idea where they went.
21:46 wizzyrea those are some adorable goslings.
21:46 wizzyrea d'awwwwwwwwwww
21:46 rambutan see our goosies?
21:46 wizzyrea sup
21:45 huginn rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 16 hours, 53 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> and so on.
21:45 rambutan @seen wizzyrea
21:43 mtompset Now to manually redo these changes, because I don't want to accidentally modify the master.
21:42 mtompset okay... rebuilt from scratch. all is clean. all is functional.
21:33 mtompset True, the install doesn't know about the branches.
21:33 jcamins I mean, those are the files that are installed, but it is unrelated to branches.
21:33 jcamins When you're running an install, it has nothing to do with what's in the git repository.
21:32 jcamins No.
21:32 mtompset Is one easier to reset to a pristine git clone state?
21:32 jcamins mtompset: what difference does it make?
21:31 mtompset would you git install from the initial git clone directory or from a newly created branch?
21:29 jcamins (not that it mattered anyway, as you wouldn't be submitting code by last February)
21:29 jcamins bag: rangi has clarified that mod_mellon is *not* what CAS is using, so never mind my objections.
21:27 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back.
21:27 cait night all
21:27 cait guess i can go to sleep then :)
21:27 * cait just finished reading the logs an dnoticed noone missed her
21:26 jcamins mtompset: two bugs were reported, and that was it.
21:26 mtompset How did the GBSD go on Friday?
21:25 mtompset I'm trying take a patch file I have, apply it, and have it not affect my initial branch.
21:25 jcamins You have one week to get well-tested bugfixes into 3.12.
21:24 rangi mtompset: what are you trying to do?
21:24 bag heh :P
21:24 bag wait jcamins we can't get in any more code? Did I miss the message?
21:24 mtompset what next steps would be recommended to take?
21:23 mtompset I cd'd into the directory.
21:23 mtompset Let's start from scratch... I've just done the git clone.
21:23 mtompset okay...
21:22 jcamins Well, I won't be RM, so I don't give a damn either way.
21:22 bag :D
21:22 bag and if it you love it and want to be on apache - there you go - no problem to you jcamins :)
21:22 rangi its sure as hell beats writing a SAML implementation in perl
21:21 rangi so can be turned on and off
21:21 rangi mod_mellon is fine, it can use the same system as the pki
21:21 bag a solution that can be turned on and off - is much better
21:20 jcamins Good thing I'm not going to be the RM when that code comes out, eh?
21:20 mtompset But a solution that can be turned on or off with a couple of sysprefs works across the board.
21:20 bag which is the line that I was walking
21:20 jcamins True.
21:20 bag not for everyone :D
21:20 bag well jcamins I don't think SAML is for everyone - and if someone really wants it - that could be fix for them alone
21:19 jcamins Because every single request has to be authenticated.
21:19 jcamins Not for auth.
21:18 mtompset eeew!
21:18 bag right but you can run both apache and whatever
21:17 jcamins bag: mod_mellon might not be such a good choice, since that locks Koha into Apache.
21:17 * mtompset hums, "It rolls down stairs. Alone or in pairs! Rolls over the neighbour's dog. It's great for a snack and fits on your back. It's log, log log!"
21:15 NateC Space is the Place :)
21:15 rangi (it will redirect but that is the new url(
21:15 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
21:15 bag NateC?
21:14 mtompset valley girl speak?!
21:14 rangi there we go
21:14 wahanui logs is, like, http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
21:14 rangi logs?
21:14 rangi logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
21:14 bag heh
21:14 bag logs?
21:14 wahanui rangi: I forgot logs
21:14 rangi wahanui: forget logs
21:13 mtompset I also tweaked it, since the redirect assumes the same server.
21:13 mtompset I have something which is integrated with master... However, since I don't have shibboleth installed, I can't get it to work for me.
21:13 bag also mod_mellon
21:12 bag cool yeah that's what I was looking at too
21:12 mtompset http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=commit;h=b5257f7235a7cbad396d1a4036101ba6a0903ecb
21:12 mtompset Let me grab the URL...
21:11 mtompset However, it is based on biblibre's shibboleth patch.
21:11 bag so if we have some alpha we'll share with you
21:11 bag awesome - well we may be working on it too
21:10 mtompset As soon as I get it to the alpha stage, I'll let you know. :)
21:10 mtompset Nope. It isn't to the alpha stage yet.
21:10 bag hey mtompset do you have any SAML work that you've been working available any where to look at?
21:03 mtompset *sigh* Okay... redoing a git install again.
21:01 bag oh rangi++
21:01 wahanui hmmm... logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
21:01 bag logs?
21:00 senator ah
20:59 mtompset -- senator: This was for a different project. It was apache2 configuration issues, not a Koha problem exactly.
20:59 mtompset Been there, done that.
20:58 jcamins I keep on clicking on it and trying to copy text.
20:58 jcamins I have a screenshot of my web browser.
20:58 mtompset I have a patch file which I can at least read to redo everything.
20:58 mtompset That's fine.
20:58 jcamins Warning: THIS WILL DELETE THINGS IN AN IRRECOVERABLE WAY
20:57 jcamins git clean
20:56 mtompset I did delete my local branches, but it left remnants behind like the new file I created.
20:56 jcamins Deleting the local branches involves less time, if you don't have a pristine git repo somewhere on your LAN.
20:56 jcamins Either works.
20:56 jcamins Or delete my local branches.
20:56 mtompset -- without doing the git clone from scratch.
20:56 jcamins mtompset: I just clone it over.
20:55 mtompset So, how do I blow away everything in my git repo and make it like I just did the git clone?
20:55 jcamins Hehe.
20:55 senator jcamins: true today, but not always. but glad to hear mtompset installed debian *ducks*
20:55 cait long? :)
20:55 jcamins How was your trip?
20:55 jcamins Hi cait!
20:54 mtompset No biggie. I solved my CentOS problems. :)
20:54 jcamins mtompset: senator confirms that he has some CentOS experience. Unfortunately, I expect he'll be leaving work in about 6 minutes.
20:53 mtompset Greetings, cait. :)
20:53 * cait waves
20:53 mtompset I think I just encountered that.
20:52 mtompset jcamins: Remember when I was describing a mess I had with my git repo, and you were saying the bad news is I likely edit'd the master?
20:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
19:06 jcamins My mistake was searching for "sip2" rather than sip.
19:05 khall np! I was wondering where that audio alert was coming from ; )
19:05 jcamins khall: thanks.
19:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add a script to test SIP from the command line
19:05 jcamins Bug 9288.
19:04 jcamins Any idea what bug?
19:04 jcamins khall: didn't you submit a patch with an example SIP client to Koha?
19:02 oleonard A good IRC cat bot would threaten to eat any channel member who was idle too long.
19:01 rambutan Well, it was actually a Koha cat bot
19:01 rambutan Hey, I just re-proposed that just last week!
19:00 * oleonard wonders if there is such a thing as an IRC cat bot
18:41 jcamins That's a good idea.
18:40 tcohen so we use it as an easy rollback method
18:40 tcohen I'm touching koha-remove to make it work for partial installs (koha-create failures)
18:40 tcohen yes, that's what I thought
18:39 jcamins tcohen: maybe not abort, but print out a warning and don't delete the database, perhaps?
18:38 tcohen currently localhost is hardcoded so bad things can happen if someone uses an external DB and has one named the very same in localhost
18:38 tcohen should we abort?
18:37 tcohen jcamins, koha-remove: if the instance has a custom hostname defined, that does not match the one from mysql/koha-common.cnf
18:30 jcamins I presume.
18:30 jcamins A few weeks ago.
18:29 oleonard A new horrible article, or the one from a few weeks ago?
18:29 jcamins oleonard: the horrible article that they published.
18:29 oleonard Ooh, touchy. What's that about?
18:28 tweetbot [off] twitter: @normnz: "@maberdour @opensourceway one lesson is don't write an article unless you are aware of the facts. #KohaILS"
18:12 jcamins No wonder it didn't seem to do anything.
18:11 oleonard date-format.inc is used to display a hint about what date format is expected when entering a date
18:11 jcamins Thanks.
18:11 jcamins Ah-ha!
18:10 oleonard calendar.inc
18:10 jcamins I see date-format.inc, but I don't really know what it does.
18:08 jcamins Any idea where we handle the date format?
18:05 jcamins Hm.
18:05 oleonard Yes. The time part of it is an additional plugin.
18:05 jcamins oleonard: our datepickers with the time are jqueryUI, right?
17:31 gaetan_B bye !
16:24 sophie_m bonsoir
16:23 sophie_m exit
15:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10196 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , items table partially hidden in marc view in ccsr
15:59 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10196 - items table partially hidden in marc view in ccsr
15:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1170: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1170/
15:21 reiveune bye
14:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #1170 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1164 7 days 1 hr ago)
14:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10196 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , items table partially hidden in marc view in ccsr
14:48 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10196 - items table partially hidden in marc view in ccsr
14:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #29: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/29/
14:41 jcamins Yeah, underscores and hyphens are fine.
14:41 oleonard At least it's in the manual: "Authorized value is limited to 80 characters and cannot have spaces or special characters other than underscores and hyphens in it"
14:40 jcamins Then, yes, that would be my inclination.
14:40 oleonard Yes
14:39 jcamins That's caused by a space?
14:39 jcamins 10229?
14:39 oleonard So 10229 is "wontfix," but we need a new bug about enforcing valid entries
14:37 jcamins That would seem like a good idea to me.
14:37 oleonard So we need to have client-side and server-side validation of authorized value codes and block anything non alphanumeric?
14:37 jcamins oleonard: collection code, or anything else.
14:36 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Lincoln College of Technology Chooses ByWater Solutionsâ€™ Koha Support http://t.co/3Haqz1lvaS #KohaILS"
14:36 oleonard ...or something more general?
14:36 oleonard jcamins: Meaning you can't limit by collection code in a catalog search?
14:35 jcamins oleonard: you can't search for authorized value codes when there are spaces.
14:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10229 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , branch transfer limits showing one tab at bottom
14:35 oleonard Besides Bug 10229, is there a reason why we *should* enforce a no-space rule on authorized value codes?
14:18 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #66: "<paul_p> shame on koha, mySQL & user !" (added by jwagner at 03:39 PM, March 04, 2010)
14:18 gmcharlt @quote random
14:13 senator jcamins: re your comment on friday, i do have a little CentOS experience, a tad rusty. if mtompset reappears and is still busy translating redhat-isms, i'll be happy to offer what help i can
14:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #29 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:07 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded.
14:07 rambutan @later tell wizzyrea http://imageshack.com/photo/my-images/195/geesebabies.jpg/
14:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_10196' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ec7313fe5079890ec1ceb3f394e08dd70ec51e6> / Bug 10196 - items table partially hidden in marc view in ccsr <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a52bedaeac14c8f82073f60f0d8632d53b7792d1>
14:04 jcamins drojf: I think it's inclusive.
14:02 drojf does a mysql BETWEEN 1 AND 5 include 1 and 5 or is it 2, 3 and 4?
14:01 jcamins Okay, reproduced it.
13:56 oleonard Y U got skimpy items tables jcamins?
13:55 jcamins Oh, maybe it's an absolute width thing. My item tables aren't that wide.
13:55 oleonard My browser window is about 1050px wide for that screenshot if that helps
13:53 jcamins How did you do that?
13:53 jcamins Hmm.
13:53 oleonard http://www.screencast.com/t/vdc31u25P
13:49 jcamins Thanks.
13:48 oleonard Sure
13:48 jcamins oleonard: really? Could you take a screenshot and circle the problem?
13:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10196 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , items table partially hidden in marc view in ccsr
13:46 oleonard jcamins: I think Bug 10196 does affect 3.12/3.14
13:25 jcamins drojf: perl -c
13:25 drojf jcamins: i use strict and warnings, but i just refreshed the plugin in the browser and it told me about undefined subroutines :/
13:19 jcamins That's why use strict and use warnings are so important.
13:19 jcamins drojf: I hate that.
13:19 * drojf curses the unescaped @ that caused half an hour of confusion
12:42 jcamins Thanks!
12:42 jcamins Okay. In that case I'll wait for that one and push the packaging patches all at once.
12:42 tcohen i'll be testing it this morning
12:42 tcohen yes jcamins
12:42 jcamins tcohen: are you close to done with the patch adding error handling to koha-create?
12:40 tcohen morning #koha
12:19 jcamins Good morning.
12:19 oleonard Hi #koha
12:09 jcamins Hello.
12:07 drojf hi jcamins
12:07 drojf :D
12:06 mtj yes, and yes
12:06 jcamins mtj: A) isn't it kind of late for you, and B) I think that's just how value builders work.
12:05 mtj drojf, actually - i think that example is more hurtful, that helpful
12:00 mtj 3 jscript functions that are stuffed into a perl string called $res, wtf?!
11:58 mtj i remember bits of it very well
11:57 mtj lol, its just a great example of bad code!
11:54 drojf and it works for now ;)
11:54 drojf i still think i should be able to get that other than looking it up in the file, but i may be wrong in case of adding an item.
11:53 mtj aah, ok
11:52 drojf then i can pass it as a parameter and deal with it as you did too, mtj. seems my problem was just getting it somewhere before passing it over
11:49 drojf i win javascript \o/
11:49 drojf ha, works with var biblionumber = document.getElementsByName('biblionumber')[0].value;
11:47 mtj i think they were placeholders, that i later removed when saving?
11:45 mtj ive forgotten why i added many 'xxx' values, in the marc records?
11:44 mtj i 'modified' itâ€¦ after them :)
11:44 drojf lol @ mysterious
11:44 mtj its a bit 'mysterious'â€¦someone else wrote most of it
11:44 drojf i am trying to get the biblionumber with javascript and then pass it to the perl function. i think that might work
11:43 drojf mtj: thanks for looking!
11:43 mtj [off] http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=head-dev/.git;a=commit;h=65436be38c5e2cabc92d568ac21a9843082d186f
11:42 drojf cool :)
11:42 mtj heres a (pretty fugly) example of a working cataloging plugin
11:42 mtj drojf, aaah - i found that old repo...
11:25 mtj hmm, i need to look about for that old repoâ€¦ /
11:24 mtj i did successfully build a magazine plugin a few years ago
10:59 rangi hmm, i havent ever played with them
10:56 drojf i try to build a value_builder plugin to use when adding an item. it is supposed to check for a value in the record it is going to be added to. can i get the relevant biblionumber from within the plugin somehow? i tried $query->param('biblionumber'); but that gives me "Undefined subroutine &main::plugin called at /home/mirko/koha/cataloguing/plugin_launcher.pl line 38."
10:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9679 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , can't place hold from cart in CCSR
10:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item
10:50 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9679 - can't place hold from cart in CCSR
10:50 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9591 : Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item
10:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #119: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/119/
10:50 mtj interesting -> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox_OS/Building_and_installing_Firefox_OS
10:50 drojf i don't think i should change stuff in more than gaia anyway ;)
10:49 drojf it seems i can build gaia but i get errors if i try to build the whole thing
10:48 drojf and i changed the browser search to duckduckgo. have not dared to upload it to the phone though
10:48 rangi :)
10:48 drojf i spent a million hours preparing a ubuntu 64bit building vm for fxos :D
10:47 rangi which is all good, they are easier to fix :)
10:47 rangi :) apart from the gps, everythign else feels like software issues
10:46 drojf apart from that, it has more functionality than every phone i ever had
10:46 mtj rangi, aaaah, ok :) i had no idea its been out that long, even
10:46 drojf i made it hang a few times, still can't get back from sms by one person to sms of everybody ^^
10:45 rangi yep
10:45 drojf you got a keon too i suppose?
10:45 rangi drojf: nope no gps, but sms and phone call work well
10:45 drojf the simulator is pretty good actually
10:44 rangi mtj: thats what we were using at the apps day
10:44 drojf rangi: did you get gps to work? it displays an icon but that's it for me
10:43 mtj pretty clever
10:43 mtj i have recently seem this -> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firefox-os-simulator/
10:43 rangi heh
10:42 drojf rangi: pro-tip: don't trust the alarm clock. i think the snooze button let me sleep 50 minutes instead of 5 this morning
10:42 mtj so, guysâ€¦ first opinions on the fones?
10:42 drojf hi mtj
10:41 * mtj waves to drojf and rangi
10:39 rangi yup :)
10:25 drojf and hi btw ;)
10:25 drojf rangi: i did :) you too?
10:25 rangi hi drojf, get your phone?
10:14 drojf hi #koha
10:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #119 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:14 rangi evening
07:04 wahanui hey, gaetan_B
07:04 gaetan_B hello
07:02 dcook reiveune, true enough. True enough.
06:57 * druthb shoots a rubberband at the very rude wahanui-bot.
06:56 alex_a bidet ??
06:56 wahanui bidet, alex_a
06:56 alex_a bonjour
06:54 christophe_c hello #koha
06:53 reiveune yes, but this is only the beginning of the week ;)
06:47 dcook Good morning so far?
06:46 reiveune :)
06:46 dcook salut reiveune
06:46 reiveune hello
06:32 * dcook facepalm
06:32 dcook That moment when you realize that you weren't passing your url into your function...and that's why it kept returning nothing
06:08 dcook I take that as a good sign, mtj?
06:01 mtj yay!! ^^
05:39 tweetbot [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "One more library adopting Koha in Australia :-) Kick started migration today #KohaILS"
04:55 dcook I suppose Australians do have afternoon tea...
04:54 dcook Or pre-supper
04:54 dcook I had lunch but I want second lunch...
04:54 dcook I've never thought of it until now but I wonder if places would deliver food to the office...
04:54 dcook Yay!
04:54 mtj im about to test it now
04:53 dcook Or mtj could look and report back the definite answer :)
04:53 dcook I really do need to sit down and look at that one someday
04:53 dcook lol
04:52 wizzyrea and so on.
04:52 wizzyrea ooh! a bubbler!
04:51 wizzyrea <swims round again>
04:51 * wizzyrea is like a goldfish "ooh, a bubbler!"
04:51 dcook Possibly three times
04:51 dcook At least twice
04:51 dcook Yup, lol
04:51 wizzyrea lol.
04:51 dcook I always get side-tracked by other things which are a bit more pressing :/
04:51 wizzyrea have we?
04:51 dcook I know that wizzyrea and I have talked about this many times and never really settled on the for sure answer
04:51 wizzyrea I think they can - I could be wrong
04:50 mtj the digest versions seem to often only have a 'count' style template, (but they can show itemised content?)
04:50 dcook Of course, I'm having issues with my dev emails anyways so I can't speak too much to notices atm
04:50 wizzyrea and at least check-out does show the titles
04:50 dcook Now I'm hungry again...
04:50 wizzyrea digested?
04:49 wizzyrea check out and check in though are always digest
04:49 dcook hehe
04:49 wizzyrea holds don't have a digest :P
04:49 dcook No digest for that one
04:49 dcook Right
04:49 dcook Mmm, yeah. I'm not sure about holds
04:49 wizzyrea the default one definitely only shows the count
04:49 dcook Unless you've manually changed what goes into the <<items.content>> replacement, I think
04:48 dcook And that seems to be the case
04:48 dcook I've been looking at the advanced notice digest though
04:48 wizzyrea holds are a bad example because they don't have digest :)
04:48 dcook Not 100%
04:47 wizzyrea hm are you sure?
04:46 dcook (minus that last ,)
04:46 dcook It won't say you've got 5 holds which are titled 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
04:46 dcook It will just say, you have 5 holds
04:46 dcook wizzyrea: The digest email won't have any of the detailed information though
04:45 dcook Hmm, mysql query browser didn't like a million+ records...
04:45 wizzyrea instead of 5
04:45 wizzyrea they will get one email
04:45 mtj aah, okâ€¦ i should have looked
04:45 wizzyrea if a borrower has 5 holds in a day come ready
04:45 wizzyrea hold notifications
04:45 wizzyrea if you have digests on for holds
04:45 wizzyrea for example
04:44 dcook Whereas the regular notice includes all sorts
04:44 wizzyrea the digest has all the things
04:44 dcook The digest version usually just includes a number, I think
04:44 mtj peeps, what is the diff between a notice in koha, and its 'digest' version ?
03:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality
03:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10079 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , HomeOrHoldingBranch should not control who can delete when IndependantBranches is enabled
03:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10100 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , OPAC News dates need an CSS handle (class)
03:13 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 8840 - [SIGNED-OFF] Patch to solve false "All dependencies installed!"
03:13 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 8840 - [SIGNED-OFF] ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality
03:13 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10079 - HomeOrHoldingBranch should not control who can delete when IndependantBranches is enabled
03:13 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 10100: adds a class to OPAC news dates
03:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1169: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1169/
02:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10096 new feature, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Add a Z39.50 interface for authority searching
02:46 dcook That way, I can give people cookies to test bug 10096 :p
02:46 * dcook really needs to start baking again
02:23 dcook Yeah, I mostly just want one to do silly things with
02:23 dcook hehe
02:20 jcamins I actually bought it for experimenting with as a home catalog, but I wanted something fun (read: silly) to do today, so I picked it up and started fiddling.
02:15 dcook jcamins: I'd be interested to know how you go. I haven't picked up a raspi yet, but one of these days..
02:07 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:07 eythian wahanui: yo mama is so fat, she doesn't support filenames longer than 8.3 characters.
02:06 jcamins So I am speculating that Apache (or something) tried to start itself up when I was testing the webcam.
02:05 jcamins Other people have gotten it working.
02:05 dcook Much less demanding than a streaming webcam though..
02:05 dcook i.e. wire it up to some floodlights so that you could turn them on remotely when you're down the street
02:05 dcook I was thinking of using one for security-related things
02:04 dcook jcamins: Good to know
02:03 jcamins By the way, for anyone who was wondering, a Raspberry Pi is not the ideal device for a home security system, as setting up a streaming webcam runs the risk of causing the system to OOM.
02:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #1169 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1164 6 days 12 hr ago)
02:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality
02:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10079 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , HomeOrHoldingBranch should not control who can delete when IndependantBranches is enabled
02:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10100 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , OPAC News dates need an CSS handle (class)
02:01 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 8840 - [SIGNED-OFF] Patch to solve false "All dependencies installed!"
02:01 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 8840 - [SIGNED-OFF] ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality
02:01 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10079 - HomeOrHoldingBranch should not control who can delete when IndependantBranches is enabled
02:01 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 10100: adds a class to OPAC news dates
02:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #28: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/28/
01:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #28 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:19 jcamins Okay, four sets of packaging patches left.
01:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8840' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a144adb8d9131f5d52ac7b4318f2b14c04fe2ca4> / Bug 8840 - [SIGNED-OFF] Patch to solve false "All dependencies installed!" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=18b8f018c7f7fdcbac498ecea95d3da4baa0b8ff> / Bug 8840 - [SIGNED-OFF] ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality <http://git.koha-com
01:17 cjh jcamins: yeah, I just prefer the web installer view and find it easier than setting up the koha-env :)
01:17 jcamins Ah.
01:16 dcook But as cjh pointed out, this way you get to see the web installer view
01:16 dcook jcamins: I think that's what I usually do as well
01:16 jcamins I just run updatedatabase.pl directly.
01:16 jcamins Oh.
01:16 dcook huzzah. Cheers, rangi :)
01:15 rangi try that
01:15 cjh (for patches that still have an XXX)
01:15 cjh just bumping kohaversion.pl by 1 minor version, running web installer, and then bumping it back down.
01:15 dcook Yeah, I'm always a bit terrified to make DB changes
01:14 jcamins updatedatabase.pl trick?
01:14 jcamins Yeah, 502.
01:14 rangi hm?
01:13 dcook rangi: Looks like pastebot is down?
01:12 dcook I was just wondering if you could run me through your updatedatabase.pl trick again
01:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality
01:12 jcamins Oh, yeah, I got past that one, and now I'm on bug 8840.
01:12 dcook hehe, nope
01:12 cjh dcook: depends, am I in trouble?
01:12 dcook cjh: Are you around?
01:11 dcook Does it do what it needs to do at least?
01:10 jcamins Oh well.
01:09 jcamins Odd...
01:09 * dcook is delving into updatedatabase.pl
01:03 jcamins I see.
01:03 jcamins Oh.
01:02 jcamins I can't reproduce the bug.
01:02 jcamins Wait...
01:01 dcook Yep, that's frakked
01:01 dcook Ah..
01:01 * dcook goes and takes a look at the actual preference
01:01 jcamins I can't even see the logic.
01:00 dcook I guess I can see the logic, but...doesn't sound like a great idea
01:00 dcook Hmm, true as, jcamins
00:58 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo
00:57 jcamins You wouldn't think HomeOrHoldingBranch should have anything to do with deleting, ever.
00:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10079 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , HomeOrHoldingBranch should not control who can delete when IndependantBranches is enabled
00:56 jcamins Bug 10079 is weird.
00:52 dcook I'll enter one now
00:51 dcook thanks, jcamins
00:50 jcamins I don't think so.
00:49 dcook rangi, wizzyrea: Do you know if that issue with the z39.50 server description NULL/default value error ever got reported?
00:40 wizzyrea or make it sufficiently irritating to set it (which it is now) that you don't bother to use it
00:39 dcook ?
00:39 wizzyrea ^^
00:38 jcamins Make sure that no one uses the db user.
00:38 jcamins Actually, I think I would vote for a feature that made it impossible to set the branch.
00:32 wizzyrea hehe
00:31 jcamins Oh, maybe it's that the memory allocation monitor isn't all red.
00:30 wizzyrea or one of your apps
00:30 wizzyrea i've had that happen.
00:30 wizzyrea did the icon change for your favorite app?
00:28 dcook Going senile, jcamins
00:25 jcamins I've been staring at it for several minutes, and I can't see anything out of order, so... no?
00:25 wizzyrea things out of order?
00:25 wizzyrea hate it when that happens
00:24 jcamins Clearly not an important one.
00:23 jcamins I think when the trackpad was randomly clicking it removed one of the icons that was there.
00:23 jcamins There is something... off... about the (software) dock on my laptop, and I can't figure out what it is.
00:23 dcook Which lowered the overall quality of the program as well :(
00:23 jcamins Phones?
00:22 dcook I was once in an "elite" program which turned out not to be so elite because the applicants just weren't there
00:22 wizzyrea \o/
00:22 rangi phones arrived
00:22 dcook true true
00:22 jcamins That's a good point, though.
00:22 jcamins [off] I am often the beneficiary of that. Especially in April/May/June.
00:22 wizzyrea budget year's ending, whatever
00:21 wizzyrea it does happen :/
00:21 wizzyrea sometimes you just HAVE TO GET RID OF THE MONEY
00:21 wizzyrea well, you have to wonder if their standards had to be lowered because of the lack of quality of the submissions
00:21 jcamins Hence my comment about standards.
00:20 jcamins Oh, no doubt.
00:20 wizzyrea which I think says more about the grant givers than the submitter.
00:19 jcamins Yup.
00:19 wizzyrea which means it must have 1. been better than the other submissions and 2. it was good enough for the grant givers
00:19 wizzyrea ...but they still got it
00:18 jcamins [off] Yeah, which is why you should proof your work at least once before requesting $500k in 1982 dollars.
00:18 wizzyrea and imo, if scholarly publications aren't producing scholarly quality works, then it isn't a scholarly publication.
00:18 dcook It can be quite stressful during high pressure situations
00:17 dcook In most cases, that's true
00:17 wizzyrea it's only a problem if they refuse to clarify
00:17 wizzyrea real life is messy :)
00:17 dcook wizzyrea: True, but are there times where you get an email and you have zero idea what it says?
00:17 rangi fixed the redirects now too
00:17 dcook Mmm, agreed, jcamins
00:16 wizzyrea real life doesn't make sense all the time.
00:16 dcook I think part of that had to do with gender neutral pronouns
00:16 jcamins Sure, but you end up failing to communicate due to singularly simple errors.
00:16 dcook wizzyrea: Generally speaking, that's the way I'm leaning these days
00:16 jcamins [off] I think I can summarize my feelings about the matter with the following statement: "scholarship is an embarrassment."
00:15 wizzyrea Real life is messy.
00:15 dcook [off] I had that same amazement during much of grad school. I was horrified at the quality of the readings that we were often assigned. Part of it was the complete absence of proper spelling, grammar, etc. Part of it was the lack of logical cohesion through much of the work. These essays were being published in academic journals, but if they had been submitted during a freshman class, they would've been torn apart by an instructor.
00:13 jcamins [off] I find it amazing that they will publish his current work, which is still much better than past work.
00:12 dcook [off] Publishing current work or past work?
00:11 jcamins [off] Okay, granted, that's true, but still... this particular scholar's work is _better_ now than in 1982, and I find it staggering that journals are okay with publishing it.
00:11 dcook [off] My grade 9/10 English teacher was practically illiterate. Couldn't read very well, couldn't spell, had no grasp of proper grammar, but she's the one who stopped me hating English class.
00:10 * dcook shrugs
00:10 dcook [off] During my honours and grad school, I was amazed at the written quality of work from students and professors alike. They either hadn't been proof-read or they hadn't been proof-read well.
00:09 dcook Normal not being a good thing though :p
00:09 dcook By the end, it seemed to me that it was normal for errors to be in "polished" works
00:08 dcook At the beginning of my university education, spelling, grammar, and consistency mattered a lot
00:08 dcook I don't know if that's necessarily true. It might depend on the instructor and the school.
00:08 jcamins Well, maybe they wouldn't lose points, but certainly there would be notes.
00:08 jcamins (3) Like this
00:08 jcamins 2) Like this
00:08 jcamins 1. Like this
00:08 dcook Are you sure freshman comp students today would get docked for that?
00:07 jcamins On a single page there are no fewer than three ways of representing lists.
00:07 jcamins Spelling errors, some basic grammatical errors, and a complete absence of consistency.
00:07 dcook in the*
00:07 dcook What sort of errors are int he grant proposal?
00:07 dcook jcamins: True, but they said they'd never even seen anything like that. It wasn't about them not remembering how to do it. They really just hadn't seen it. But yeah, that is different.
00:06 jcamins dcook: that's something a little different, though. You mostly don't use any math above 9th grade level in normal life.
00:06 dcook Mind you, my school was significantly better than theirs...
00:05 dcook I think my parents stopped being able to help me with my math homework by...8th or 9th grade, and both were university educated
00:05 dcook I like to think of it as progress but who knows
00:03 jcamins It had errors that a freshman comp student today would get docked for.
00:03 jcamins A successful grant proposal.
00:03 jcamins I just proofread a grant proposal from 1982.
00:03 wahanui okay, eythian.
00:03 eythian wahanui: jcamins is also <reply>ask him about serials and/or acquisitions.
00:02 jcamins You know, it's kind of incredible how standards have changed in the past thirty years.
00:00 rangi yeah boi