Time  Nick         Message
23:49 cjh          heh
23:49 jcamins      lol
23:48 eythian      use the bottom of a mug or something.
23:48 jcamins      I have no idea what they're talking about.
23:48 jcamins      Acrobat's instructions tell me to use a "circular object" for creating a radio button.
23:37 dcook        Mostly just at the eye rolling stage at the moment
23:36 dcook        Not quite yet
23:36 dcook        lol
23:36 jcamins      dcook: yay! So I guess your better half is in mourning?
23:30 dcook        New computer has arrived ^_^
23:30 * dcook      claps
23:24 mtj          afaik, my recently added filters are working a treat
23:13 eythian      If I can get him to do the only possible reliable test, that he hasn't apparently done yet, then it'll show either that he's right, or that he's unequivocally wrong. I'm fairly sure I know what he's doing, of course.
23:11 jcamins      ... 30 messages ago.
23:11 jcamins      I thought that thread would finally die.
23:11 jcamins      I was more concerned about future occurrences.
23:10 eythian      heh
23:10 jcamins      eythian: believe it or not, that didn't occur to me.
23:09 eythian      you missed nothing too exciting really.
23:09 eythian      jcamins: can't you just hit "ignore thread"?
23:08 * jcamins    had the good sense not to read the message and find out what it was responding to, at least.
23:06 jcamins      eythian: for goodness' sake, stop cleaning up your quotes! My filter consistently fails to catch your messages!
23:05 jcamins      :D
23:05 jcamins      omg! That's fantastic! :D
23:04 wahanui      cooking help is http://awfullibrarybooks.net/kitchen-tech/
23:04 eythian      wahanui: cooking help
23:04 eythian      jcamins: btw, I don't know if you saw already, but I found something for you.
23:04 eythian      cool.
22:58 jcamins      I agree 100% with your broader point too, of course.
22:58 eythian      well, actually, so was my reply just then too.
22:58 eythian      oh right :)
22:58 jcamins      I was referring to "it can sometimes be tempting..."
22:57 eythian      jcamins: yeah, it pays to keep it in mind. Though I'd expect that this would be the sort of thing the QA team would catch anyway.
22:57 jcamins      :)
22:56 jcamins      eythian: ya think?
22:46 wahanui      mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
22:46 wizzyrea     mailing lists
22:43 bgkriegel    well, i'll work to put it in a bug
22:43 bgkriegel    :)
22:43 wizzyrea     so thanks for that
22:42 wizzyrea     also snaggy is amazing.
22:42 bgkriegel    in the image top is search result, bottom is me touching mastehead.inc, middle is with breadcrums style as class
22:42 jcamins      Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me.
22:42 jcamins      Ooh, nice!
22:41 bgkriegel    could it be defined as class, to reuse in other pages?
22:41 bgkriegel    look http://snag.gy/tTBAu.jpg
22:41 bgkriegel    yes ok
22:41 bgkriegel    i'm touching authority search results
22:40 jcamins      That would involve string changes, so it'll have to wait until 3.14. :(
22:40 bgkriegel    andowhere else
22:40 bgkriegel    on ccsr there are pretty breadcrumbs but only on search results
22:39 jcamins      Yes?
22:39 wahanui      i think jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
22:39 bgkriegel    jcamins?
22:37 mtj          that my expereince.. :)
22:36 mtj          yep, historically its some kids downstairs searching for 'PPEEEENISSSSSSSS FARRTTTT'..…
22:36 wizzyrea     or did 30 kids in a school class all click search at the same time
22:36 wizzyrea     or did someone just post 50 links to the catalogue on a wordpress site set to pingback
22:35 mtj          munin gives good historical info on apache and mysql
22:35 wizzyrea     or does someone have a stuck f5 key
22:35 mtj          the big Q is usually… is my apache gettings DDOSed?, or is someone running a goofy report?
22:34 rambutan     tnx for tip
22:34 rambutan     I'll look at it tonight at home and pass it to my tech as a "todo"
22:32 mtj          ...when your box hangs
22:32 mtj          munin will give you info on what your apache, mysql , cpu, ram, disk and swap is up to
22:32 rambutan     oh? what would munin do for me? I'll check it out.
22:23 mtj          rambutan, you should run munin on your koha box, to help diagnose your performance problem
22:22 rangi        ill give it a try
22:20 wahanui      well, eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem.
22:20 mtj          heya eythian
22:20 mtj          screenshot looks good ^^
22:20 mtj          https://github.com/cpbotha/nvpy
22:19 eythian      hi
22:19 mtj          ...i just discovered this, so havent tried it out yet
22:19 mtj          but, there looks to be a linux rewrite here -> http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/28/cult-favorite-note-taking-app-notational-velocity-gets-a-cross-platform-alternative/
22:18 mtj          the bad news is its osx only :/
22:18 mtj          rangi,  i swear by a TODO/note app called -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notational_Velocity
22:14 bag          great!
22:14 druthb       awesome sauce!
22:14 bag          how you doing?
22:14 bag          hey druthb
22:13 * druthb     pokes bag with her pointy stick, by way of greeting.
22:12 bag          I think we have a few that do
22:12 bag          they shouldn't :P
22:05 tcohen       does anyone use authority search?
22:00 cait         hmpf.
21:59 druthb       B'zacly!
21:59 wizzyrea     cait is perfect, she would never snore.
21:59 druthb       Hmpf.
21:59 * cait       pretends to snore
21:59 * druthb     sees what time it is in Germany, and gives cait the ebil eye
21:59 tcohen       ;)
21:58 tcohen       i found it useful for my China packages
21:58 rangi        oh cool
21:58 rangi        hmm nope
21:58 tcohen       https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.app.grandag.trackchecker
21:58 tcohen       have u used trackchecker rangi?
21:44 cait         i think drojf was expecting his some time soon too
21:44 cait         cool :)
21:43 rangi        ohh i got mail from ups my phone is on it's way
21:30 Dyrcona      well, time for me to go.
21:30 cait         :)
21:30 Dyrcona      If not, I'll write it. :)
21:29 Dyrcona      cait: Right. There is likely already something to do what I want.
21:29 cait         which is why it turned out to be a good place for an easy to edit to do list
21:29 cait         Dyrcona: one of the small things i like is editing text files in the app
21:29 cait         Dyrcona: not sure what you want to do, but there might be something already
21:28 magnuse      when i went to visit it now it upgraded to 5.0.5 or something, and then it asked me to log in??
21:28 cait         hm i think we talked about it once magnuse?
21:28 Dyrcona      cait: I'd like to make a plugin (if necessary) for libreoffice.
21:28 magnuse      i have owncloud on a server
21:28 Dyrcona      It's in FreeBSD ports. The server I'm thinking of runs FreeBSD.
21:28 cait         Dyrcona: I also was able to use the owncloud client for ubuntu, but it turns out I like it better to just use the web interface
21:28 magnuse      huh
21:27 cait         guess I should update :)
21:27 cait         hm 5 is there already? it iddn't show me that there was an update ts
21:26 Dyrcona      cait: Thanks. I'm pondering throwing owncloud 5 on a server at home, 'cause Google Drive isn't doing it for me. :)
21:25 cait         mostly using it for koha related things and it works fine for that :)
21:25 cait         and I have integrated access to my roundcube for qam mails
21:25 cait         i have it working with my thunderbird calendar
21:24 cait         the encryption plugin shows this note: Server side encryption of files. DEPRECATED. This app is no longer  supported and will be replaced with an improved version in ownCloud 5.  Only enable this features if you want to read old encrypted data.  Warning: You will lose your data if you enable this App and forget your  password. Encryption is not yet compatible with LDAP.
21:22 cait         but I think they haven't fixed encryption yet... so not using it for anything really important right now
21:21 cait         i like it
21:21 Dyrcona      cait: How is owncloud working for you? I'm thinking of giving it a try on my home server.
21:20 * Dyrcona    uses ical calendars and sunbird.
21:19 * magnuse    uses Remember the milk, but isn't completely happy with it
21:18 jcamins      On phone. Obviously.
21:17 jcamins      not
21:17 jcamins      Bot foss, though.
21:17 jcamins      Also hivemindet, sometomes.
21:17 jcamins      text file in git.
21:17 bag          heh
21:17 bag          my brain !!!
21:16 cait         rangi: txt file in my owncloud thingy
21:15 rangi        brb
21:14 bag          yeah iotop will show a bunch
21:14 wizzyrea     ^.^
21:14 rangi        ahh i want it for work, so not google :)
21:14 wizzyrea     probably not your thing.
21:14 * wizzyrea   isn't very creative, I just use google's todo thingie
21:14 rangi        rambutan: another thing to try is iotop
21:13 rangi        offtopic, anyone got some software they use for todo lists and like?
21:13 wizzyrea     aherm, you can, in fact, kill off a koha server with a stuck f5 key :P
21:13 rambutan     we're pretty well spec'd out
21:13 rambutan     16gb
21:13 rangi        ive seen those apaches use around 256m each
21:12 rangi        how much ram?
21:12 rambutan     as soon as I could ssh in I did check the number of apache connections--looked like we had 13 or so
21:12 trea         always good to check your processes and see if guided_reports is running during these periods of slowness
21:11 trea         also, some reports can get pretty resource intensive
21:11 rangi        its pretty easy for it to OOM the system
21:11 rangi        rambutan: check your max connections in apache
21:10 cait         it'a harder to feel for a shovel tho... zebras are cuter
21:10 rangi        thats like blaming a shovel cos you dug a whole in the wrong place :)
21:10 rambutan     I'll stand down
21:09 rangi        none of which is zebras fault
21:09 rangi        basically we got left a crappile of code from that egg who sold ll
21:09 rangi        its the code we write to use it that is a pest
21:08 rangi        thats the entire point
21:08 rangi        no, no it hasnt
21:08 rangi        its always been code that someone in the koha community has written
21:08 rambutan     zebra has always been a pest
21:08 rangi        time
21:08 rangi        so blaming it is a waste of
21:08 rangi        its never ever been zebra in the past
21:08 rambutan     I know the devs do, but....
21:07 rambutan     I don't like zebra.
21:07 cait         and I'd think even innocent
21:07 cait         the poor thing!
21:07 cait         oh don't
21:07 rambutan     ah, I'll just blame zebra
21:06 rambutan     and I think we have anti-bot measures in place too
21:06 rambutan     no, we were all just sitting here waiting. It wouldn't serve the OPAC page, the staff client was unresponsive, and I couldn't even get an ssh response.
21:05 cait         could be an impatient group of humans then? :)
21:04 rambutan     I've seen the google bot slow things down on our old Sirsi server like that, but no sign of that creepy-crawlie here and now.
21:04 cait         maybe a bot crawling your catalog
21:04 cait         did you see which script was started so often?
21:04 rambutan     well, this was a momentary thing, it seemed to self-recover after about 4 minutes
21:03 cait         and i might talk nonsense here :)
21:03 cait         and in the perl code the system tries to do soemthing with the collection without checking there is an actual value for the varable
21:03 cait         like say all your items have no collection
21:02 cait         but if you have a condition where a variable is not initialized it will happen
21:02 rambutan     Use of uninitialized value in <string, $printer, concatenation, hash, hotdogs>
21:02 cait         i am not an expert
21:02 cait         it's probably not the reason of your problem
21:01 rambutan     yea, so what isn't ideal that's putting them in there? We just had our ILS slow to a crawl, almost unresponsive, and I noticed the error log was filled with those lines
21:00 cait         i mean apart from they should ideall ynot be there
21:00 cait         hm they are warns... not really I think
20:59 rambutan     are there generalized statements that can be made about "Use of uninitialized value in xxx" that show up in the koha error logs?
20:39 drojf        good night #koha
20:21 drojf        great idea
20:20 cait         you should do that for your thesis
20:20 druthb       slot-something..
20:20 cait         there isn't?
20:20 drojf        leo only knows a small part of german. unfortunately there is no german urban dictionary
20:20 druthb       Neither does LEO.
20:19 cait         not even I know that one
20:19 drojf        we have a lot of funny words
20:19 * drojf      hides behind a wall of zlotschenschrübel
20:19 cait         drojf: i tried..
20:18 * druthb     pokes drojf gently with the pointy stick.
20:18 druthb       yis!
20:18 cait         you only want to use the pointy stick
20:18 cait         he can has nompf
20:16 * druthb     wields her pointy stick, gone unused since libsysguy left.
20:16 druthb       nuh-uh!
20:15 drojf        it's a word in german. at least i'll claim that from now on.
20:14 * druthb     looks at drojf curiously.
20:12 drojf        nompf?
20:10 druthb       hmpf?
20:09 cait         hmpf
20:08 druthb       cait++  # For cookies!
20:08 cait         :)
20:07 oleonard     drojf++ # for chaos.
19:17 * drojf      creates some chaos on bugzilla
18:06 maximep      aaaaaaaaah found my problem and now I understand the cron. All is fine! I just had an irregularity set to May -_-
17:53 cait         tcohen: that sounds about right to me :)
17:52 tcohen       but, of course, i can be so confused i understood what i wanted to hear heh
17:52 tcohen       i think Colin was clear in the fact that we are showing a borrower we should pass a "borrower" object to the templates, and avoid dealing with presentation code in the cgi scripts
17:51 bgkriegel    for example
17:51 bgkriegel    drojf: if the smtp server accept to act as an open relay for you then you could send as any address (i'm using a gmail account), and the line in remotes is '192.168.3.1 smtp'
17:48 maximep      what ? sometimes I don't even understand what I write in english
17:48 maximep      going to look for the initial bug with that script. Maybe it explains it's use
17:47 drojf        bgkriegel: i vaguely remember that it tried to use the hostname of the computer running it as the first part of the email address and i could not make it stop. but i'm not sure if that was the problem in the end. i changed several files and it just did not work for me
17:47 maximep      the grace is in the initial sql which looks fine to me. AND DATE_ADD(planneddate, INTERVAL CAST(graceperiod AS SIGNED) DAY) < NOW()
17:46 maximep      hmmm
17:46 maximep      the manual says "checks if there is a "late" issue on active subscriptions, and if there is, the script will set it as late, and add the next one as expected."
17:46 cait         not sure if it should take that into account?
17:46 * jcamins    is just going off of what you said earlier about what the script was doing.
17:46 cait         we also have a grace period here
17:46 cait         hm
17:46 maximep      maybe i'm just not understanding what the script does
17:45 jcamins      maximep: not for that script, apparently.
17:45 bgkriegel    drojf: only one line in /etc/nullmailer/remotes and an admin address
17:45 maximep      jcamins: huh, i'm lost. I tought it was as simple as planneddate < today, then it's late
17:45 jcamins      At least, that's the reasoning behind the script, I think.
17:44 cait         khall++ for asking for clarification
17:44 bgkriegel    drojf: but in my case (as in that email) it not an option, so...
17:44 jcamins      maximep: because you don't know that an issue is late until the next one comes out.
17:44 drojf        and i always wondered who the people are that say "use nullmailer, it's easy". now i found you ;)
17:43 maximep      but if the published date of the current issue > the planned date, shouldnt it be set late ? Why whould the following issue matter ?
17:43 drojf        bgkriegel: i don't remember what the problem was. postfix was easier in the end. i had to look deeper into configuration but it eventually did what i configuered. i did not have that impression when i tried nullmailer :)
17:43 bgkriegel    djrof: in my last install I only need to request an open relay for the koha box
17:42 jcamins      If you expected the upcoming issue to have already arrived, and the following issue has already been published, the next issue is by definition late.
17:41 drojf        tcohen: it was some time ago. i gave up at some point and eventually got postfix working
17:41 bgkriegel    mm, you could check mail.info or mail.err
17:41 tcohen       nullmailer provides *only* the sendmail/mail command
17:41 drojf        tcohen: i thought i did
17:41 jcamins      maximep: that makes sense to me.
17:41 tcohen       did you properly set the /etc/nullmailer/remotes file drojf ?
17:41 * drojf      tries not to make a bad joke about serialsSurpriseUpdate
17:40 maximep      doesn't make sense to me
17:40 maximep      it looks for serials where the planneddate < NOW and then checks if the nextpublisheddate is < today to set them late
17:40 drojf        bgkriegel: cool. i wonder what i did wrong then
17:39 maximep      anyone ever used misc/cronjobs/serialsUpdate.pl and could explain it to me ?
17:39 bgkriegel    drojf: yes, many times
17:39 drojf        bgkriegel: have you successfully used nullmailer? because i have read this kind of description a few times and that thing never worked for me ;)
17:38 jcamins      Or use it as expensive vinegar.
17:38 jcamins      drojf: apparently.
17:37 drojf        jcamins: so better give it away as a fancy-looking present?
17:33 jcamins      The proper time to drink Bordeaux of that vintage is "never."
17:32 jcamins      Heh. 1968 was not a good year for wine.
17:30 maximep      1.2.6 seems to be the stable version in debian, ubuntu, gentoo, etc
17:29 jcamins      Ah, only in versions of nginx I don't use.
17:29 druthb       gotta be *someone* to blame.  jcamins was yesterday
17:29 drojf        huh?
17:29 * druthb     blames drojf
17:28 maximep      there's security problems in stuff like that every day
17:27 drojf        http://mailman.nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-announce/2013/000112.html
17:27 jcamins      drojf: nope.
17:26 drojf        i suppose the security problem in nginx already made it here?
17:21 druthb       don't worry, tcohen.  If she won't give you cookies, I will.  I owe ya.
17:21 * cait       hands tcohen one
17:21 cait         hmmm
17:20 tcohen       can I get free cookies today?
17:19 drojf        yay!
17:19 * cait       hands drojf a big portion of cookies
17:19 cait         oh right
17:19 cait         thx gmcharlt
17:19 drojf        i did three signoffs today *hides*
17:19 cait         hehe
17:19 druthb       cait doesn't glare without good reason.  Except at me.
17:18 * druthb     glares at drojf, too
17:18 gmcharlt     drojf: I suspect not until you have at least one bugfix in *your* hand ;)
17:18 tcohen       hmm don't think so
17:18 drojf        *kind of
17:18 drojf        is it the good kinf od glaring, with happiness and cookies in your hands?
17:17 * cait       glares at drojf
17:17 drojf        cait, the voice of boredo^wsanity
17:14 drojf        make scripts choose one codebase by random every time
17:14 cait         and a reminder - bugs can still go into 3.12!
17:14 cait         i would be happy if people concentrated on fixing bugs... instead of anything else
17:14 drojf        hide different versions of koha everywhere to drive people nuts
17:13 drojf        lol sure tcohen
17:13 tcohen       can I do it in bash drojf? :-P
17:13 tcohen       drojf++
17:13 drojf        [off] we could have a feature that decreases functionality of your koha installation proportionally to your trolling activities
17:12 jcamins      [off] Apparently wasting everyone's time is considered a reasonable alternative to contributing.
17:11 drojf        :D
17:11 drojf        we are better than that!. (please!)
17:11 jcamins      My bets are on the trolling continuing.
17:10 drojf        i really hope that thread will just die now or i will get into the filter business too. it's a very good moment to never answer again since he had the last word on every tentacle of that thread now.
17:08 jcamins      YES! My filters worked! Life is good!
16:57 drojf        ok, the fun is over, i'm switching back to my usual tl:dr behaviour
16:55 tcohen       jcamins++ # for cheerfuly receiving the email burst
16:54 tcohen       heh drojf
16:54 tcohen       poor Paul, looks like his subconscious doesn't want to accept he (somehow) put 3.8.10 code on his setp
16:54 drojf        oh, lots of emails for jcamins
16:50 * oleonard   cancels the campaign
16:50 druthb       :P
16:49 druthb       uhm….no
16:49 oleonard     Why not, I could use the money! Elected positions are well-paid, right?
16:44 * druthb     thought about voting for oleonard for something, too.
16:43 bgkriegel    no problem at all
16:43 bgkriegel    hehe
16:42 oleonard     Don't worry bgkriegel, here in #koha we are happy to vote for people who aren't at the meeting. They have fewer chances to back out that way.
16:42 cait         bgkriegel: don't worry about the meeting - it achieved the most important thing without you even being there :)
16:39 bgkriegel    hi cait
16:39 cait         congrats :)
16:39 bgkriegel    druthb, I miss the meeting, a bad combination of things to do and timezone confusion :(
16:39 * cait       waves to druthb and bgkriegel
16:38 * druthb     waves to cait.
16:38 druthb       I'm gonna be updating the docs and whatnot on doing the Pootle updates; after that, let's talk about getting you in there, and I can walk you through how I do it.  Sound good?
16:37 druthb       Hi, bgkriegel!
16:36 bgkriegel    hi druthb :)
16:29 * druthb     chuckles.
16:29 rambutan     https://clandestineragerevealed.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/zero.jpg
16:27 druthb       bgkriegel++
16:25 rambutan     zero bars
16:22 huginn`      rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 22 minutes and 8 seconds ago: <jcamins> I have zero bars on my phone so I'm surprised I could even receive an e-mail.
16:22 rambutan     @seen jcamins
16:06 gaetan_B     bye koha !
16:00 jcamins      I have zero bars on my phone so I'm surprised I could even receive an e-mail.
15:58 jcamins      Someone with internet please respond and tell them that marcauthimport is deprecated?
15:58 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @Hyperboreasrl: "Il 23 maggio parteciperemo allo "Spring Event". Ci trovate allo stand del Gruppo Italiano Koha #KohaILS #biblioteche http://t.co/v4Wxpv4Ylc"
15:46 reiveune     bye
15:46 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4137 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPACViewOthersSuggestions is not working nicely
15:46 oleonard     Ha! Bug 4137
15:41 kf           oleonard: and yesall those sound like bugs :(
15:36 kf           oleonard: it used to I think - give you a new link in navigation
15:31 oleonard     And OPACViewOthersSuggestions doesn't seem to do anything.
15:30 ashimema     quit
15:27 oleonard     Also, when I click on "new purchase suggestion" a terrifying fiery pit opens in the floor next to me and I hear the tortured screams of countless damned souls. Seems like a bug to me.
15:22 oleonard     Next question: If  AnonSuggestions is enabled, but the patron is logged in, shouldn't the suggestion be connected to their account? That seems like a bug to me.
15:21 oleonard     *whew*
15:21 oleonard     Oh it must be the anonymous patron!
15:19 oleonard     Why are all my purchase suggestions being saved with someone else's borrowernumber?
14:59 ashimema     cheers jcamins
14:59 * jcamins    leaves again, having imparted "wisdom."
14:58 ashimema     :) jcamins: glad you said that.. it was confusing the life out of me..
14:58 druthb       gmcharlt++
14:57 huginn`      gmcharlt: Quote #220: "jcamins: Facebook may not like unspecified relationships, but rare books catalogers do!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:41 PM, October 19, 2012)
14:57 gmcharlt     @quote random
14:57 jcamins      *kittens
14:57 jcamins      I'm trying to get us off CCL, because CCL kills kitens for fun.
14:57 jcamins      ccl.properties maps PQF attributes to friendly strings.
14:57 ashimema     i had a feeling that might be the case..
14:56 jcamins      ashima: we dodn't use cql.properties.
14:43 ashimema     oo. found yet another zebra page on the wiki i wasn't aware of before.. a recent 'quest' to add indexes and document how..: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_add_new_zebra_index
14:35 * magnuse    wanders off to make dinner
14:35 magnuse      ashimema: feel free to improve the wiki in any way you can :-)
14:33 kf           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=cataloguing/value_builder/stocknumber.pl;h=711904fd5fb0c9aa8fd81387579e74a9a332f12d;hb=af6fa247fd2c1340a9becb81794674b3e7ee9da7
14:33 kf           for example I am wondering how this works:
14:32 ashimema     :)
14:32 ashimema     it's actually a bit of a re-write of that page to be honest.. that's where i got allot of the info from in the first place.. that and trial and error.
14:32 drojf        if appropriate
14:32 drojf        or even put it there directly
14:31 drojf        ashimema: if you link to it from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing i'm sure people will find it
14:30 ashimema     I've done some documentation for our internal staff regarding it (hence asking the question so I can add ccl into the mix).. was thinking I may also dump that onto the community wiki.. though the community wiki is a tad disorganised so it may never be found there :P
14:30 drojf        documentation is for the weak :D
14:29 kf           some ofour catalouging plugins would be really happy about documentation...
14:28 drojf        that may be true :)
14:28 ashimema     indeed we do..  though i've been getting the feeling for a while now we're in a minority in using it and as such has some of the most competent at turning indexdata's docs into understandable English instead of technobable ;)
14:27 drojf        and the :) in using zebra is debatable ;)
14:27 drojf        we just use it :)
14:26 drojf        ashimema: a lot of info on all things zebra is directly on the indexdata website since they are the company behind it. it is not done by koha (in case you didn't know)
14:25 ashimema     aha.. nice find drojf.. not seen it, will have a read now.
14:23 drojf        ashimema: have you seen http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#CCL ?
14:21 ashimema     :)
14:20 kf           i know at least one of the experts is not back before tomorrow - so maybe try then :)
14:20 ashimema     cheers kf.. I'll stick around and see ifanyone picks it up in here in later.. it's not hugely important.. more of an 'interest' question so I wasn't going to pollute the lists with it.
14:20 tcohen       kf, its the MarkIssueReturned function
14:18 kf           tcohen: guess i just wanted to say this doesn't sound normal
14:18 kf           ashimema: maybe try asking on the mailing list or later
14:17 kf           i mean a customization or soemthing special?
14:16 kf           is that something thatis in normal koha?
14:12 tcohen       and cannot figure what the problem is
14:12 tcohen       we are having 20sec updates on the issues table on chekout
14:12 tcohen       has anyone noticed performance issues with the now() function in MySQL?
14:07 ashimema     To elaborate.. i'm happy with adding fields for searching to both koha and sru.. using the combination of record.abs, bib1.att, ccl.properties and search.pm..  (or pqf.properties for sru searching).. ccl.properties is a mystery and searching the koha wiki brings up nought.
14:04 ashimema     I think i've now got my head around most of it.. but wondered if anyone could explain how the cql.properties config files relates to the whole thing?
14:03 ashimema     Any zebra 'experts' in the house?
13:53 tcohen       hmm, i didn't realize it was only 5 hour diff from argentina in konstanz
13:52 wahanui      night is ¡oh noche amable mas que el aluorada!
13:52 tcohen       night?
13:52 kf           evening? :)
13:51 tcohen       good evening kf BTW
13:46 tcohen       thanks kf
13:44 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9961 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Truncation and QueryAutoTruncate not working properly with new QueryParser
13:44 kf           drojf++ for bug 9961
13:43 kf           tcohen: maybe try emailing him :)
13:34 tcohen       I'd like to work on recovering the daemon from temporal DB connection problems also
13:33 tcohen       fredericd: can we move on with the inclusion of your indexer in Koha?
13:29 magnuse      hehe
13:19 jcamins      kf: "Bibframe" and "done" in the same sentence are something like "Overdrive" and "user friendly."
13:17 kf           just a little worried
13:16 jcamins      You're telling me you don't find that funny?
13:16 jcamins      Hehe.
13:16 kf           jcamins: did you take your frog pills today?
13:16 magnuse      any mention of embedded punctuation makes my brain stop
13:15 magnuse      well, if you believe the hype...
13:15 * jcamins    bursts out into laughter again.
13:15 jcamins      Bibframe... well on its way... RDA...
13:15 jcamins      Definitely irony.
13:15 jcamins      magnuse: irony.
13:14 magnuse      jcamins: unsure how to parse that... is it irony or not?
13:14 magnuse      yay!
13:13 alex_a       s/must/will/
13:13 alex_a       :)
13:13 magnuse      marcmustdie!
13:13 kf           we almost always forget the deleted* old_* tables
13:12 * kf         remembers now the last time she found out those fields were hardcoded...
13:12 khall        kf: thanks for the fyi ; )
13:12 kf           or I will fail qa it immediately :P
13:12 kf           your new field
13:12 kf           khall: don't forget adding it to deletedsmething as well
13:11 jcamins      [off] (discussion regarding the inclusion of ISBD punctuation at the end of subfields to indicate what the data in the next subfield is)
13:10 jcamins      ... discussions moot I think.
13:10 kf           hi all :)
13:10 jcamins      [off] Greatest e-mail of all time: "No matter. Our ILS systems built upon Bibframe will no doubt automatically take care of all this and much more. Since Bibframe must be well on its way to fruition or they wouldn't have initiated the use of RDA, we'll be in good shape here soon. From the discussion over on Bibframe, not only will we not have to worry about subfields, we will no longer be working with such backward concepts as records. Renders our ...
13:10 * Dyrcona    lols
13:10 * jcamins    laughs hysterically.
13:10 reiveune     Hi kf :)
13:09 wahanui      I saw it on Digg!
13:09 reiveune     it's true
13:09 gaetan_B     kf: to answer your question more clearly, actually we always index with -x (i wasn't sure because reiveune does this, not me!)
13:04 oleonard     System preferences are a vast and tangled forest.
13:04 * drojf      needs caffeine
13:04 drojf        i should just have scrolled down :(
13:04 drojf        ah thanks. i had patronimages and assumed that was all
13:03 oleonard     OPACpatronimages
13:03 oleonard     patronimages
13:02 drojf        is there an extra syspref for image in opac that i missed?
13:02 drojf        oleonard: /cgi-bin/koha/opac-patron-image.pl does not do anything for me
12:53 drojf        ah i found it! thanks
12:53 oleonard     moremember.pl
12:53 oleonard     drojf: The patron detail page
12:53 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10201 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Old OPAC patron update system should be removed
12:53 drojf        oleonard: i am trying bug 10201. where do i upload the patron image in staff client?
12:52 khall        found my problem. I didn't realize the biblio table fields were hardcoded in _koha_modify_biblio and _koha_add_biblio
12:52 tcohen       I missed the meeting!
12:51 oleonard     It was even May 7 last night tcohen!
12:50 tcohen       What? Its already May 7?
12:46 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9961 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Truncation and QueryAutoTruncate not working properly with new QueryParser
12:46 drojf        bug 9961 is waiting for qa
12:34 drojf        s/bu/but
12:34 drojf        ah, there is the personal information thingy :P bu you're right, it's weird not to have UTC
12:33 oleonard     If I just put in "18:00" Google thinks I mean 6PM in my time zone.
12:32 drojf        can you leave it out? maybe it is the default
12:31 oleonard     If I use "GMT" it works, and correctly calculates it for my time zone.
12:31 drojf        if it is google it probably relies on your personal data to know what time it is in your area
12:29 oleonard     You would think Google Calendar's natural language date parser would understand what "UTC" meant, being a global company and all
12:28 drojf        great, i will come up with a lot of numbering schemes until then
12:27 magnuse      and the numbering vote was postponed
12:26 magnuse      yeah bgkriegel++
12:26 drojf        after reading the log of the meeting i desire cookies. apart from that… congratulations to bgkriegel!
12:25 khall        it doesn't seem to help, but I did the in-framework first. I'm going to start fresh and do the global first
12:24 jcamins      Does it work if you use the global MARC mapping rather than the in-framework mapping?
12:24 khall        I think I'll start with a fresh install
12:23 khall        nope!
12:23 jcamins      Might as well save you the trouble if a patch was already around.
12:23 jcamins      khall: yeah, I didn't look closely at that, but I know it's related to limiting permissions/visibility to specific libraries, so I wanted to make sure it wasn't a duplicate.
12:23 khall        however, I still have no idea why my mapping isn't working!
12:22 magnuse      oleonard: http://meetings.koha-community.org/
12:22 khall        jcamins, not quite the same thing, but interesting none the less!
12:22 oleonard     No minutes on the wiki? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_May_2013
12:21 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
12:21 jcamins      ^^ bug 9055
12:21 huginn`      jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
12:21 jcamins      @query mandumah
12:21 oleonard     We should elect an official "meeting tomorrow" reminder person.
12:21 jcamins      khall: you saw...
12:20 drojf        ah the nightish one
12:20 jcamins      oleonard: it was a great meeting. :)
12:20 khall        I'm trying to add a feature such that a bib record can be 'owned' by a library, and only that library can edit the record
12:20 drojf        oh there was a meeting?
12:20 kf           hi oleonard - no worries, i missed it too
12:20 oleonard     Sorry for missing the meeting, #koha.
12:20 kf           makes me curious what you are trying to do here
12:20 khall        though I suspect the edit saves the record via ajax, so I wouldn't see the errors anyway, right?
12:18 khall        no apache log output either
12:18 khall        I'm not running either of those
12:18 jcamins      Also, you restarted memcached/Plack?
12:18 jcamins      If you mapped it for only some frameworks, you might be inadvertantly using the wrong framework when cataloging.
12:18 khall        I'm only using the default framework, but I've also tried re-mapping it with the Koha to MARC mapping tool
12:17 khall        And yet the existing mapped fields appear to work just fine
12:17 jcamins      khall: did you map it for all the frameworks?
12:17 khall        I'm a bit confuzzled. I've created a new field biblio.branchcode ( varchar 10 ), and mapped it to 951$o in the marc editor.  Now, when I edit the record in Koha, and put a value in 951$o I expected it to also put that value in the new field I created, but it doesn't
12:00 Viktor       Thanks for the help!
11:59 Viktor       But 3.14 should come fully translated from start then if we update the new strings next time.
11:59 Viktor       I guess people can still pull the translation from pootle.
11:59 kf           :)
11:59 Viktor       Will do.
11:59 jcamins      Well, make sure you upload what they've finished by then so that some of the Swedish translation can go in. :)
11:58 Viktor       I'll post as much as we have (if any) by may 19.
11:58 Viktor       I'm going to start our translator on the swedish staff interface. But they will not be done by may 19 since it's the entire interface since it's the first time it's translated.
11:57 jcamins      You have until May 19 or so.
11:57 Viktor       Thanks jcamins
11:56 jcamins      Translate away!
11:56 jcamins      Definitely!
11:56 jcamins      YES!
11:56 Viktor       Question - Is it ok to start translating the staff interface of 3.12?
11:55 Viktor       It is :) kf
11:54 kf           well...
11:54 drojf        kf: you think it's me? :D
11:53 kf           Viktor: all wellwith you too?
11:53 kf           everytime you work ther...
11:53 drojf        or it goes down a lot :/
11:53 drojf        it's ridiculous. every time i work here the wifi goes down for at least a few minutes around 2pm
11:52 kf           drojf: still? you should switch university... um.
11:51 Viktor       Glad to hear kf
11:50 drojf        universitywifi--
11:45 kf           yeah, busy and well
11:44 Viktor       All well with you?
11:44 Viktor       Thanks kf :)
11:43 * kf         hands Viktor coffee
11:42 drojf        lol
11:40 kf           lol
11:39 * magnuse    wonders if Viktor's computer might have narcolepsy
11:34 kf           hi khall
11:33 khall        mornin kf, jcamins, et al!
11:25 jcamins      I never saw errors on fewer than 400k.
11:24 jcamins      Oh, wow.
11:24 gaetan_B     *troubles
11:24 gaetan_B     jcamins: total around 40 000, out of which 350 are giving us troubels
11:23 jcamins      Also, how many records?
11:23 gaetan_B     well, i'll go for lunch now and try it this afternoon then, :)
11:22 jcamins      I think kf's suggestion of trying -x is a good one.
11:22 jcamins      In that case it's not the problem I've encountered before, which is incorrect encoding.
11:21 jcamins      Hmm.
11:21 gaetan_B     jcamins: we did something like koha_rebuild_zebra -b -v -v --where "biblionumber = 17371"; and i don't think we had that
11:21 * kf         gets the popcorn
11:20 jcamins      When you run with several -vs, you don't get "STACK SMASHING DETECTED" or something like that?
11:19 gaetan_B     jcamins: "previous transaction didn't reach commit", that's it...
11:19 jcamins      gaetan_B: do you get an error message?
11:18 kf           i would tr y it
11:18 kf           becasue one of the fields might be too big or something
11:18 gaetan_B     *?
11:18 gaetan_B     you think it would make a difference ,
11:18 gaetan_B     kf: not always why ?
11:17 kf           gaetan_B: you reindex with -x are you?
11:07 drojf        wahanui++
11:07 jcamins      lol
11:07 drojf        hahahah
11:07 wahanui      will he ever win the cataloguing war?
11:07 drojf        poor jcamins
11:07 jcamins      I had the good sense not to read them, at least.
11:07 jcamins      I find the way my filters aren't deleting new messages in that conversation disturbing.
11:04 drojf        do you have a test record to play with?
11:03 gaetan_B     i tend to think it's not related
11:03 gaetan_B     now that i know what they do
11:03 gaetan_B     so it's not necessarily linked to these rules
11:02 gaetan_B     yes , but we changed everything that is said we should change on the wiki at the same time
11:02 drojf        i don't think it should crash because of missing rules. then again, it's pretty weird you got more crashing without them :)
11:01 gaetan_B     it could be completely unrelated
11:01 gaetan_B     or
11:01 gaetan_B     so i might need more rules
11:01 gaetan_B     same problem, but 20 more records crash
11:00 drojf        and without the rules?
10:58 gaetan_B     "couldn't reach commit" or something
10:58 gaetan_B     with a pretty obscure message
10:58 gaetan_B     zebra crashes while indexing
10:58 drojf        gaetan_B: how does it crash? does zebra crash while indexing? or does the OPAC not work?
10:56 drojf        kf: did you put the rules in icu or in the non-icu charmap thing?
10:56 drojf        i use icu here without any rules so far. but not for arabic yet
10:55 drojf        gaetan_B: yeah. regarding your question if it would work without, i suppose it would and the rules are just a plus for certain cases
10:55 gaetan_B     anyway, i'll send an email to Karam, he probably knows better
10:55 gaetan_B     because in arabic you have to add "al" before nouns quite often
10:54 gaetan_B     drojf: what these rules mean here is that something like "al arabiyah" should be indexed as "arabiyah"
10:52 drojf        it would probably help if i had learned some arabic ^^
10:51 gaetan_B     drojf: yep
10:51 drojf        those from the wiki page?
10:51 drojf        gaetan_B: what rules do you have?
10:49 gaetan_B     he will not know indeed, but what i want to know is whether these extra rules are needed just to make search easier (ie finding both ueber and über) or does zebra fail without them
10:49 * drojf      takes a look at the log
10:49 gaetan_B     with a healthy dose of a script i can't really read in there (though i did learn a minimal amount, which right now, turns out to be just enough to understand why we needed these extra rules in words-icu.xml!)
10:48 kf           i think email woudl work better, but if it's specific to kurdish he might not know
10:48 gaetan_B     drojf: precisely :D
10:47 gaetan_B     is Karam around on the channel sometimes or should i rather email him *?
10:47 drojf        gaetan_B: zebra fun?
10:47 gaetan_B     so maybe we need more for kurdish indeed
10:47 drojf        ??
10:47 gaetan_B     actually we have a few more records that make zebra crash without these rules
10:47 kf           ask drojf *hide*
10:47 kf           oh ok
10:47 drojf        hi #koha
10:47 gaetan_B     removing them doesn't help much
10:46 gaetan_B     kf: i was about to try adding some actually
10:46 kf           gaetan_B: does it work when you remove a part of the transliteration rules and reindex? or something like that?
10:35 * magnuse    wanders off to lunch and translating
10:33 kf           maybe he would be able to help
10:33 kf           i think karam created that page
10:33 * gaetan_B   really should have learnt arabic maybe
10:32 magnuse      ooh, that sounds like fun... ;-)
10:32 gaetan_B     rather a combination of some in a certain order
10:32 gaetan_B     but not one specific character
10:32 gaetan_B     it's clear now that the problem with these records come from some arabic characters
10:31 gaetan_B     but it doesn't seem to explain my problem
10:31 kf           http://userguide.icu-project.org/transforms/general
10:31 gaetan_B     it's ok i understand why it's there now
10:31 rangi        or Ö and oe
10:31 gaetan_B     ok so if you don't do that, your search won't be very good but that shouldn't be a reason for zebra to crash on some records
10:31 kf           icu is not koha specific, maybe google?
10:29 kf           you can also use it to define how whitespace and some characters are treated
10:29 kf           or ß is transliterated to ss - so when searching fuss or fuß you will still get all the same results
10:29 kf           because both can be the same
10:28 kf           so when you search for ü you will also get results for ue
10:28 gaetan_B     for instance
10:28 gaetan_B     one one side we have bah and on the other al bah
10:28 kf           we got rules for example for ue and ü
10:28 kf           it transliterates
10:28 gaetan_B     and what does it change
10:28 gaetan_B     kf: yes, i am actually trying to understand why we do that
10:27 kf           gaetan_B: did you see this? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Arabic_records
10:26 kf           magnuse++
10:26 gaetan_B     and *what do they do
10:25 gaetan_B     does someone know how the transliteration rules in words-icu.xml work and do they do exactly ?
10:09 magnuse      rangi++
10:09 magnuse      kf++
10:03 kf           good luck
10:03 zorky        thanks for all the help :)
10:03 zorky        ohh well im gonna grap some lunch. will come back tommorrow.
10:03 zorky        still not working.
10:02 zorky        with no errors on the install this time
10:02 kf           where opac is the other url yougot
10:02 kf           is youropac danish?
10:02 kf           some might have succeded
10:02 zorky        it seems to be succesfull
10:02 zorky        i just ran the command with -v at the end. and i got 1 install succesfull. then it moved onto a ton of other lines creating
10:01 kf           it's just a typo in one of the po files
10:01 zorky        ahh
10:01 kf           you might want to look into fixing this error
10:01 kf           and it falls back to english
10:01 kf           not all tempaltes would be created
10:01 kf           sometiems a translation error can make the script die
10:00 zorky        i ran the sudo command and all that. then got this
10:00 zorky        msgstr: "%s Eksemplartypen er normalt ikke til udlån. %s %s Eksemplaret er normalt ikke til udlån %s(%s)%s. Udlåne alligevel? "
10:00 zorky        msgid:  "%s Item type is normally not for loan. %s %s Item is normally not for loan %s(%s)%s. %s Check out anyway? "
10:00 zorky        line:   20043
10:00 zorky        tmpl_process3.pl: Warning: unconsistent %s count: (7/6):
10:00 zorky        sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK
10:00 zorky        ohh well. lunch break is coming up. and i have to go right after. i'll hop onto this irc channel tom.. then im gonna take a backup of koha. and reinstall the damn thing.
09:59 kf           there was no error when using th enw po files, right? when you ran the translation script?
09:59 kf           werid
09:59 kf           hm
09:59 zorky        nope. still english when i click on it.. actually. nothing happends except the sites tries to load. and nothing happen
09:58 zorky        ahh i see it now
09:57 magnuse      if yo have activated more than one language there is a "bar" at the bootom of every page in the admin that lets you choose you language
09:56 kf           normally it shows one at the bottom of each page, if you activated it in the i18n tab and when more than one language is active
09:55 wahanui      language chooser is really an important element and browser detection not a good way to do it
09:55 zorky        what language chooser?
09:55 kf           to switch to danish before you deactiated it?
09:55 kf           did you use the language chooser?
09:55 zorky        yes
09:55 kf           you deactivated english?
09:55 kf           it might be the cookie
09:54 zorky        still in english
09:53 magnuse      at least not to day
09:53 magnuse      nope :-)
09:53 kf           magnuse: are you volunteering? ;)
09:52 magnuse      hm, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client needs to be updated
09:51 magnuse      all the .po files go in the same folder
09:50 magnuse      no, replace the ones that are there
09:50 zorky        there is allrdy danish po files in the misc/translator/po folder. do i have to make a da-DK folder to put them in?
09:48 zorky        ahh
09:46 kf           there were a gazillion changes and additions since then
09:46 kf           3.2 would be horrible
09:46 kf           just might be there are stillsome strings missing
09:46 zorky        okay :P
09:46 kf           no 3.10
09:46 zorky        so the best i should do is to use the 3.2?
09:46 zorky        ahh
09:45 kf           they should still be working
09:45 kf           because they get updated for each current 3.10.x release and you are a bit behind
09:45 magnuse      http://translate.koha-community.org/da/310/
09:44 kf           zorky: you want 3.10 - but those will not exactly match your version
09:44 magnuse      no, the instructions here are wrong: http://koha.dk/?p=installation-af-ekstra-sprog
09:44 zorky        so which version of the language packs do i need?
09:44 zorky        okay
09:43 kf           all 4 even I think
09:43 rangi        yes
09:43 rangi        then run your translate install command again
09:43 zorky        all of the 3 files?
09:43 zorky        then www.koha.dk is not working then
09:43 magnuse      /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/
09:43 zorky        ohh
09:43 rangi        you need to put them in the misc/translator/po
09:42 rangi        that wont work
09:42 zorky        and
09:42 zorky        into the usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/da-DK
09:41 rangi        where did you put the .po files when you downloaded them?
09:41 zorky        no i didn't`
09:41 zorky        but im using the 3.10 language pack from the translate page. do i need to use 3.2 instead?
09:41 magnuse      and did you choose it in the language chooser at the bottom of the page?
09:41 magnuse      ah, ok
09:40 zorky        i activated the danish under more > administration > I18N/L10N
09:40 magnuse      Home › Administration › System preferences > I18N/L10N
09:40 magnuse      also you have to activate danish if it has not been installed before
09:39 magnuse      zorky: is there a language chooser at the bottom of the page?
09:39 magnuse      yeah, i was just thinking that
09:39 rangi        not in 3.10.2 it might not have been
09:39 magnuse      http://translate.koha-community.org/da/ says the 3.10 translation is complete
09:39 zorky        it's still in english
09:38 magnuse      yup, it should
09:37 zorky        shouldn't the interface where i set the language and such. be translated to danish?
09:36 kf           so one is for the library users, one is for the staff users
09:36 kf           the librarians use the admin, there is only the admin :)
09:36 zorky        ahh
09:36 kf           user = patrons in the library, searching books, placing holds etc.
09:36 zorky        3.10.02.000
09:36 kf           zorky: those are the same
09:35 magnuse      zorky: that depends on how the installation is set up
09:35 kf           zorky: can you check the version for koha installed? in more > about?
09:35 zorky        so the one that the librarian needs to use to lend books. is 8001. and the intranet = admin site is 8000?
09:35 kf           magnuse: hm but it should be if he used the files from pootle
09:33 magnuse      that would happen if the translation is not complete
09:32 zorky        half of it seems to be in english
09:32 zorky        but
09:32 zorky        so i think i changed it to danish
09:29 magnuse      we never settled on one name for that, i think
09:29 magnuse      intranet = admin
09:29 zorky        the intranet the admin one?
09:27 magnuse      ah, cool
09:27 zorky        It's a independent school that uses it :)
09:27 kf           zorky: the admin interface is also the librarian's interface - so there are only 2 things. opac for the user and staff interface
09:26 magnuse      one public and one for admin
09:26 magnuse      zorky: have a look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/biblioteket (eller Biblioteket) - that should show you two different sites
09:26 magnuse      zorky: would you mind telling us where you are using koha? i'm just curious about koha in the nordic area... :-)
09:25 zorky        now, here comes another problem. whenever i connect to the koha site. i type localhost:8001 and login with the credentials i got handed to me. which is the admin user. but i can't find anything resembling some sort of admin interface where i can control anything
09:25 magnuse      yay
09:24 zorky        it continued
09:24 rangi        depends, if it continued on and did the rest then no, if it stopped at that point then yes
09:24 magnuse      i think it means that one string was skipped
09:22 zorky        so it's nothing to worry about
09:22 rangi        yes the translator made a mistake
09:22 zorky        this is what it said. dunno if thats regarding the danish package?
09:21 zorky        http://pastebin.com/VbNvnEaE
09:21 zorky        it's done
09:20 magnuse      i saw it and thought it might be up to no good, but then forgot about it again...
09:20 zorky        yeah i know :P just didn't see the big B :P
09:20 kf           if you want to see what it's thinking add -v next time :)
09:20 magnuse      yay rangi++
09:20 rangi        linux is case sensitive :)
09:20 rangi        that means its working
09:20 zorky        it's thinking :P
09:19 rangi        not Biblioteket
09:19 rangi        so try the command magnuse gave you, but with biblioteket
09:19 kf           rangi++ :)
09:19 rangi        not B
09:19 rangi        its b
09:19 rangi        there your problem
09:18 zorky        -rw-r----- 1 root biblioteket-koha 12125 jan 15 13:53 /etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml
09:18 rangi        tell you
09:18 rangi        what does ls -l /etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml
09:18 kf           because they will exactly match your version
09:17 kf           ideally you should be using th efiles that came with the installation
09:17 zorky        http://translate.koha-community.org/da/310/
09:17 kf           you can see your kohaversion in more > about
09:17 zorky        but there is 4 of them on the translate page
09:17 zorky        im using the 3.10 po files
09:17 zorky        no, not that i know of
09:17 kf           i mean are you only using the newer po files? or is your installation 3.10?
09:17 kf           did you update?
09:17 kf           3.10 should be fine
09:16 zorky        can this be something to do with. me trying to use 3.10?
09:15 wahanui      magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
09:15 kf           hm magnuse?
09:15 kf           yes
09:15 zorky        just to be sure. i have to run this command form the translator folder right?
09:14 zorky        still same error
09:14 kf           not sure
09:14 kf           maybe kill the trailing /?
09:14 zorky        sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK
09:13 zorky        i copied what magnuse wrote
09:13 kf           maybe some typo?
09:13 kf           t /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Context.pm
09:13 wahanui      Hmm.  No matches for that, kf.
09:13 kf           hm there are 2 //
09:12 zorky        yes
09:12 magnuse      does /etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml exist?
09:12 magnuse      huh?
09:09 zorky        Can't call method "config" on an undefined value at LangInstaller.pm line 48.
09:09 zorky        unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Context.pm line 360.
09:09 zorky        unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Context.pm line 360.
09:09 magnuse      probably not ;-)
09:09 zorky        i ran that command magnuse told me to. from the /usr/share/koha/misc/translator and i get this error
09:08 zorky        i think i might be stupid
09:08 magnuse      and i have norwegian and sewdish installed that way :-)
09:07 kf           zorky: fwiw - in the upcoming 3.12 there will be nicer commands for doing it, but when you do as magnuse says it will work fine for you now, we have German isntalled that way
09:06 magnuse      no, you have to set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB in the same command as "sudo translate..."
09:06 zorky        •	sudo ./translate install da-DK
09:06 zorky        •	export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
09:06 zorky        •	export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml
09:06 zorky        •	cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/
09:06 magnuse      so this should do it: sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK
09:05 zorky        so doing it like this
09:05 magnuse      yeah, use the right language code at the end there
09:05 magnuse      you have to run the translate script with sudo, so exporting variables as your regular user will not help
09:05 kf           better change somethings... or you end up with norwegian ;)
09:04 magnuse      sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/demo/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install nb-NO
09:04 zorky        so the export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml would be export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml ?
09:04 magnuse      cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/
09:04 magnuse      you have to do:
09:04 kf           zorky: but package installation is good news
09:03 zorky        found the correct xml file
09:03 magnuse      let me find the right incantations for you
09:03 magnuse      ah, that is your instance then
09:02 zorky        the ls /etc/koha/sites give me a folder call'd Biblioteket
09:02 zorky        but i think it might be form a package of some sort
09:02 kf           guess the question is whatyou have in ..sites then :)
09:02 magnuse      does "ls /etc/koha/sites/" give you anything?
09:01 magnuse      ah, fun
09:01 zorky        tbh, i have no idea. i got told to change the language on koha. the guy that installed it are no longer reachable
09:00 magnuse      where <instancename> = the name you gave your instance when you ran koha-create
09:00 magnuse      koha-conf.xml should be in /etc/koha/sites/<instancename>/koha-conf.xml
08:59 magnuse      zorky: did you create an instance with koha-create?
08:59 kf           magnuse: can yo hint on the right paths for packages?
08:59 kf           did you use the packages?
08:59 magnuse      ah, that is a package install then
08:59 zorky        magnuse:  gimme a sec
08:59 kf           yes, because your installation is differnt
08:59 zorky        koha-conf-site.xml.in is the only file in /etc/koha
08:58 magnuse      zorky: how did you install?
08:58 kf           how did you install koha?
08:57 zorky        but instead of the koha-conf.xml i have something else
08:57 kf           those are the paths for a standard installatin using tarballs
08:57 kf           it depends how you installed koha, where those files will be
08:57 zorky        yeah
08:57 kf           export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
08:57 kf           zorky: i think you might have wrong paths here:
08:57 magnuse      the blog posts have dates, but no years...
08:57 magnuse      :-)
08:57 kf           he seemed nice :)
08:56 kf           i think i mailed with him in german once
08:56 magnuse      i think someone called Lars Helbo has done a lot of work on it - looks like he is behind the website too
08:56 kf           you have a problem with your environment variables
08:56 zorky        theres the error it gave me after i ran the install command
08:56 zorky        http://pastebin.com/LwwptNTs
08:55 kf           http://translate.koha-community.org/da/
08:55 kf           danish looks pretty well maintained on pootle :)
08:54 kf           to show us :)
08:54 zorky        2 sec need to ssh into the computer to ru nthe command again
08:54 wahanui      I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org
08:54 kf           paste?
08:54 kf           you can use paste?
08:54 kf           what was the error?
08:54 zorky        after i ran the sudo ./translate install da-DK i got a error
08:54 kf           what kind of errors do you see? it's possible the po files for danish have problems or are a bit outdated
08:54 kf           but the blog is not wrong about those it seems hm.
08:53 kf           you will find those on the i18n tab in system preferences
08:53 kf           opaclanguage language and something named languagechooser or similar
08:53 magnuse      huh, there is a danish koha website?
08:53 kf           then there are system preferences for turning on/off languages
08:52 kf           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
08:52 kf           that is done on the command line
08:52 kf           first you need to install the language
08:52 zorky        there. it's in danish tho
08:52 zorky        http://koha.dk/?p=installation-af-ekstra-sprog
08:52 amitgupta_   heya kf
08:52 kf           zorky: give me a minute - I will have to find the link myself hten :)
08:51 zorky        no , change the english to only danish. so danish is the only language
08:51 wahanui      languages are just tools, you should pick the right one for the right job
08:51 kf           languages?
08:51 kf           additional languages?
08:51 kf           hm i thought i told the bot
08:51 kf           add additional languages?
08:51 zorky        i need to change the language from english to danish. but when i followed the guide presented on the danish site for koha. i got errors, and the file that it says it want, dosent exist
08:50 kf           but it's still kind of a quiet time of the day for koha
08:50 kf           ask your question - if someone can help they will speak up
08:49 zorky        Hello, anyone here who can help me with a problem regarding koha?
08:13 amitgupta_   heya bag
07:38 wahanui      thanks kf :)
07:38 kf           wahanui botsnack germs
07:38 wahanui      it has been said that germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
07:38 huginn`      GERMS!!!!
07:34 wahanui      salut, gaetan_B
07:34 gaetan_B     hello
07:12 dcook        Good day/night, everyone
07:12 dcook        Alas, no time. Tomorrow
07:06 dcook        Ack...gotta head out...but want to post z39.50 authority search patch...
07:00 dcook        hey ya asaurat
07:00 asaurat      hi
06:51 christophe_c hello #koha
06:50 jajm         hello
06:42 alex_a       and cait
06:42 alex_a       bonjour magnuse dcook
06:38 magnuse      bonjour alex_a reiveune
06:35 dcook        salut alex_a,reiveune
06:35 reiveune     hello
06:34 alex_a       bonjour
06:34 cait         making another test run now with data in old_reserves
06:34 cait         so far it looks good
06:33 magnuse      cait++
06:19 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10185 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase.pl remove all reserves
06:19 * cait       starts retesting  bug 10185
06:16 magnuse      cait: yay!
06:16 cait         magnuse: in general :)
06:14 * dcook      thinks that a lot of Z39.50.pm might be deprecated...
06:11 magnuse      pragmatic librarians?
06:11 magnuse      bgkriegel++
06:11 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 13.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
06:11 cait         @wunder Konstanz
06:11 cait         hi magnuse:)
06:10 magnuse      kia ora cait!
06:10 magnuse      relatively speaking
06:10 cait         pragmatic_librarians++
06:10 magnuse      nah, everything is relative
06:10 magnuse      hehe
06:09 dcook        Perhaps a bit chillier than here. Maybe I should stop whingeing
06:09 huginn`      magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 6.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
06:09 magnuse      @wunder boo
06:09 magnuse      g'day mate!
06:08 dcook        hey magnuse :)
06:08 * magnuse    waves
06:05 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @Malebopo: "“@ByWaterSolution: Free Ebooks for your Koha Catalog http://t.co/R5TEuozmB6 #KohaILS” cc @chimxy"
06:04 * dcook      thinks that looking through every sub that references a table (z3950servers) is awfully tiresome, but perhaps necessary
06:04 dcook        If anyone is around, any advice on adding columns to the database?
05:49 dcook        Lies. The office feels freezing...
05:49 huginn`      dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (3:30 PM EST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
05:49 dcook        @wunder sydney, australia
04:36 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
04:36 mtompset     And seeing as my library colleague is likely on lunch, I think I'll go to bed now.
04:36 mtompset     It's 12:35AM (just after midnight). :)
04:35 mtompset     It hasn't, depending on your time zone. :P
04:33 * dcook      wonders when it becam 2:33pm...
04:31 cait         bgkriegel++
04:31 cait         yuo had a short meeting
04:30 cait         ah ok
04:26 eythian      yep.
04:25 cait         is it me being tired or you 2 being silly?
04:23 eythian      those workers of ill!
04:21 wizzyrea     command of english, I has it.
04:21 wizzyrea     thieves*
04:21 * wizzyrea   giggles at the bed thiefs.
04:19 mtompset     Oh well. I was in another meeting. Data conversion. :)
04:18 cait         ah, no problem then
04:18 eythian      cait: no, INTERCAL.
04:18 cait         or something else severe or crazy?
04:18 cait         did you decide to rewrite koha in java?
04:17 eythian      mtompset: yes
04:17 mtompset     Did I miss the meeting?
04:17 eythian      ah
04:17 eythian      that's pretty mean
04:17 eythian      someone stole your bed?
04:17 cait         they make noise outside taking the garbage - and it's 6
04:17 cait         i can't
04:16 wahanui      go back to bed, cait.
04:16 eythian      wahanui: cait
04:16 wahanui      cait is qam, not your secretary
04:16 eythian      wahanui: cait
04:16 eythian      I really need a marccat and marcgrep for searching through and displaying specific tags in marc files when analysing data.
02:51 wizzyrea     kek
02:50 eythian      s/neat/mouf/ ?
02:50 wizzyrea     ^ you see my kansas thar
02:50 wizzyrea     preety
02:50 wizzyrea     hey that's preety neat actually
02:49 wizzyrea     good night jwagner
02:48 jwagner      good night everyone....
02:48 trea         well, that's certainly something
02:46 eythian      http://natlib.govt.nz/blog/posts/the-turnbull-mixtape-mixes-again <-- wizzyrea et al
02:45 wizzyrea     har de har
02:45 eythian      that's why they call it a drought
02:45 wizzyrea     and like, two months with no measurable rain, that apparently never ever ever happens
02:44 eythian      yeah
02:44 wizzyrea     the rest somewhere around 20-25
02:44 wizzyrea     we topped 30 I think two days here?
02:43 eythian      that's not unreasonable
02:42 jwagner      probably....
02:42 * wizzyrea   expects next summer will be miseralble, because this one was just so great
02:42 jwagner      OK, will factor that in. Thanks
02:42 BobB         statistically, you are likely to be there on the wrong day :)
02:41 eythian      statistically, most likely to be January.
02:41 jwagner      Looking at possibly December or January -- which is likeliest to have the best weather?
02:41 BobB         ..on a good day!  :)
02:41 wizzyrea     eythian would know, he's from there.
02:41 eythian      jan itself can be a bit temperamental.
02:40 eythian      no, late jan, early feb is the warmest. Up to about 35° in the warmer parts down south
02:39 jwagner      OK, thanks
02:39 BobB         jwagner January is a warm as it gets in NZ.  Mind you, in south Island, that still may not be very warm
02:39 mtj          bad news is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_News_(band)
02:39 wizzyrea     lateish summer
02:39 trea         January is summer.
02:38 jwagner      Is January still spring, or is that considered summer, esp in South Island?
02:38 wizzyrea     lol.
02:38 wahanui      bad news is that you're probably royally screwed
02:38 wizzyrea     bad news.
02:38 jwagner      Got a question for the New Zealanders on the list....
02:38 jcamins      The bad news is that I'm going to demand that wizzyrea chair every meeting I attend.
02:38 jcamins      No.
02:38 BobB         Thanks everyone
02:38 wahanui      i guess bad news is that you're probably royally screwed
02:38 jcamins      wizzyrea: bad news.
02:38 BobB         Thanks wizzyrea, well done
02:38 huginn`      Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting__7_may_2013.2013-05-07-02.04.log.html
02:38 huginn`      Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting__7_may_2013.2013-05-07-02.04.txt
02:38 huginn`      Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting__7_may_2013.2013-05-07-02.04.html
02:38 huginn`      Meeting ended Tue May  7 02:38:07 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
02:38 mtj          ...and thank *you* for chairing wizzyrea ++
02:38 wizzyrea     #endmeeting
02:38 wizzyrea     have a lovely rest of your day/night
02:38 wizzyrea     Minutes will be available on the wiki
02:37 mtj          #info next meeting is at 1800 UTC 5 june
02:37 wizzyrea     well I thank you all for your participation in today's gathering of community minded people
02:37 wizzyrea     okie dokie
02:36 BobB         :)
02:36 jcamins      And it'll be the middle of the day here.
02:36 jcamins      BobB: no worries, I probably will be too.
02:36 wizzyrea     that seems fair
02:35 wizzyrea     bobb - if you want, you could leave your apology with your vote on the wiki
02:35 BobB         err, that will be 4am in Sydney - I reckon I'll be an apology
02:35 wizzyrea     #agreed we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised.
02:35 wahanui      anything else is a guess
02:35 wizzyrea     anything else?
02:34 wizzyrea     right, next meeting is at 1800 UTC 5 june
02:34 jcamins      My left hand was a key over.
02:34 jcamins      No, you were right.
02:34 jcamins      5 June, yes.
02:34 wizzyrea     6 june even.
02:34 jcamins      6 June 2013, 18:00 UTC
02:34 wizzyrea     it's going to be June 5, 1800 UTC? is my math
02:33 jcamins      First Wednesday at... 18:00 UTC?
02:33 * BobB       didn't know that
02:32 mtj          ah, #agreed only works for chair… :/
02:32 wizzyrea     so time to set the time for the next meeting
02:31 jcamins      *from
02:31 wizzyrea     yep, I'm not seeing much of anything there really
02:31 jcamins      I don't see any actions for last meeting.
02:31 mtj          (meetbot command is #agreed)
02:30 mtj          #agreed we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised.
02:30 wizzyrea     next up - things from last meeting
02:30 wizzyrea     #decided we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised.
02:29 wizzyrea     lol.
02:29 mtj          erm, +1 :)
02:29 wizzyrea     anyone else?
02:28 druthb       +1
02:28 dcook        +1
02:28 jwagner      +1
02:28 BobB         postpone to next meeting +1
02:28 jcamins      +1
02:28 wizzyrea     ?
02:28 wizzyrea     Can we agree to postpone this question to the next meeting, or set up an alternative voting mechanism
02:27 dcook        wizzyrea: Agreed
02:27 jcamins      Yeah...
02:26 jcamins      wizzyrea: especially since we're all just going to abstain?
02:26 BobB         :)
02:26 dcook        BobB: I think I'll be going AC but thanks :)
02:26 wizzyrea     I'm not certain I feel comfortable voting on this with so few
02:26 BobB         dcook QF has a sale on - get cracking
02:26 wizzyrea     #topic Vote on proposal to increment major version number for every feature release after 3.14 Pi
02:26 * dcook      still has to book flights/rooms...
02:25 dcook        Mmm, good question
02:25 BobB         cool, thx
02:25 wizzyrea     I would pose that to the list bobb, none of the kohacon people seem to be here
02:24 BobB         Is there a deadline for booking rooms, to help get the free A-V etc?
02:24 wizzyrea     right then
02:24 wizzyrea     last I heard things were ticking along nicely
02:23 wizzyrea     is anyone here who can give an update?
02:23 wizzyrea     #topic Kohacon2013
02:23 jcamins      #info If the QA team is interested in working on patches for 3.14, that would not be a problem for the 3.12 release. Just set the target release version to 3.14 and get to QAing!
02:23 wizzyrea     onwards
02:23 wizzyrea     and bravo to everybody for all of their work
02:23 wizzyrea     Thanks jcamins for all of his hard work
02:23 druthb       wizzyrea++
02:22 wizzyrea     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw
02:22 wizzyrea     Right, then we are in the final countdown to 3.12 - I'm looking forward to it
02:22 jcamins      Before we move on to Kohacon2013, I have something about 3.14.
02:22 wizzyrea     anything else anyone would like to bring up regarding 3.12
02:21 wizzyrea     (specifically, multi branches with transfers)
02:21 BobB         #action Test the Reserves functionality
02:21 jcamins      Owen has been checking for regressions in the OPAC due to the patron self-registration, but more eyes make all bugs shallow.
02:20 wizzyrea     Hourly loans seems decently stable finally
02:20 jcamins      We're definitely still seeing problems in reserves, so concerted testing would be a very good thing.
02:20 jcamins      Yeah, good call.
02:19 dcook        #info David Cook, Prosentient Systems, Australia
02:19 wizzyrea     3.10 had a hold queue rewrite that is causing some issues, it might be worth going over reserves
02:19 jcamins      let me check the release notes.
02:19 jcamins      And...
02:19 jcamins      I'd love to see more testing in search, because of the QueryParser work, and Acquisitions has seen a lot of flux in this latest release cycle as well.
02:18 wizzyrea     areas with massive change that really need some going over?
02:18 jcamins      Hmmm...
02:18 wizzyrea     in terms of testing?
02:18 wizzyrea     are there specific areas that you feel ought to be focussed on?
02:17 jcamins      Any questions?
02:17 jcamins      #action Test all the things!
02:17 jcamins      No, that's wrong.
02:17 jcamins      #todo Test all the things!
02:17 jcamins      3.12 seems pretty stable, but there are lots of bugs that could use fixing, and there is a desperate need for more testing.
02:16 jcamins      And I think that's about it.
02:16 jcamins      Anything that I decline to push to 3.12 will be bumped back to 3.14 for gmcharlt to push to master.
02:16 jcamins      Any bugfixes that do not make any string changes are candidates for 3.12.0, though obviously I will not push anything that seems dangerous.
02:15 jcamins      #info I plan on releasing one more beta and at least one Release Candidate prior to May 22, subject to the number of applicable bugfixes that are written, signed off, and passed QA.
02:15 wahanui      everybody is so enthusiastic today :)
02:15 wizzyrea     and everybody
02:15 cjh          399 bugfixes is impressive
02:15 wizzyrea     yep, jcamins++
02:15 cjh          awesome work everyone
02:15 BobB         Wow, that's huge
02:14 jcamins      Since then I have pushed several more bugfixes, with more yet to come.
02:14 jcamins      #info As of beta3, Koha 3.12 had 21 features, 159 enhancements and 399 bugfixes
02:14 wizzyrea     ?
02:14 wizzyrea     how are you feeling generally about 3.12
02:13 jcamins      #info Translation updates will be pulled from Pootle on or about May 19, so get your translations finished before then.
02:13 jcamins      #info Koha 3.12.0 will be released on or about May 22.
02:13 wahanui      somebody said jcamins was brilliant
02:13 wizzyrea     jcamins?
02:13 wizzyrea     k, and rangi is not here so - on to the 3.12 updates
02:12 cjh          wizzyrea: sorry, was distracted. 3.8 isnt mine yet afaik.
02:12 cjh          #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, NZ
02:12 wizzyrea     (if you're about)
02:12 wizzyrea     cjh, do you have anything to note regarding 3.8?
02:12 BobB         #info Formal thanks to Ruth for excellent work as outgoing Koha Translation Manager
02:12 wizzyrea     #topic Updates on currently maintained releases
02:12 BobB         we are eight (plus Wahanui) I reckon that's a quorum
02:11 wizzyrea     Right, so updates
02:11 wizzyrea     #decided Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as 3.14 Translation Manager
02:11 jcamins      Agreed.
02:11 wizzyrea     HOWEVER. I think it doesn't matter for this particular vote.
02:10 wizzyrea     because that's not a lot of people and this meeting was not well advertised.
02:10 wizzyrea     :P
02:10 * wizzyrea   offhandedly wonders if we need to define the corpus necessary to create a quorum
02:10 * druthb     presses the "easy" button.
02:10 BobB         +1
02:09 eythian      +1
02:09 druthb       +1
02:09 wizzyrea     +1
02:09 jcamins      +1
02:09 wizzyrea     Ok, all in favor of electing bgkriegel (Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel) TM for 3.14 subject to his acceptance of the role, please +1
02:09 jcamins      wizzyrea: he added himself to the docket and sent an e-mail outlining his platform, so I think we can move forward.
02:09 druthb       BobB++
02:08 wizzyrea     There we go I like that
02:08 BobB         We could elect him subject to his acceptance
02:08 mtj          #info -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_May_2013
02:08 wizzyrea     I feel weird having a vote to elect him when he's not around
02:08 eythian      #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ
02:08 druthb       bgkriegel++
02:08 wizzyrea     bgkriegel, about?
02:08 jcamins      #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14
02:07 wizzyrea     Right, do we have any candidates?
02:07 jcamins      The only person who put a name forward was Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel (bgkriegel).
02:07 wizzyrea     #topic Discussion on candidates to be the 3.14 Translation Manager
02:07 wizzyrea     #Discussion on candidates to be the 3.14 Translation Manager
02:07 wizzyrea     Right
02:07 wizzyrea     going twice
02:07 wizzyrea     going once
02:06 wizzyrea     does anyone have any?
02:06 wizzyrea     #topic Announcements
02:06 mtj          ooh, could be a quicky
02:06 BobB         hi mtj
02:06 * mtj        waves to all
02:06 wizzyrea     anyone else?
02:06 mtj          #info Mason James, NZ
02:05 trea         #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions
02:05 BobB         #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia
02:05 jwagner      #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
02:05 wizzyrea     #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT, NZ
02:05 jcamins      #info jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services; RM for 3.12
02:05 druthb       #info D Ruth Bavousett, TM 3.12
02:05 wahanui      #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
02:05 jcamins      #topic Introductions
02:05 wizzyrea     there we go, please introduce yourselves using #info
02:05 huginn`      The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_irc_meeting__7_may_2013'
02:05 huginn`      Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
02:05 huginn`      Meeting started Tue May  7 02:04:54 2013 UTC.  The chair is wizzyrea. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
02:04 wizzyrea     #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013
02:04 jcamins      I think it's: #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013
02:04 jwagner      jcamins, did you make enough for EVERYONE?
02:04 BobB         burnt cookies -1
02:04 wizzyrea     if someone will remind me how to work the bot
02:04 jcamins      Also, the cookies aren't done yet.
02:04 BobB         RM should not have to chair
02:04 BobB         wizzyrea +1
02:03 jcamins      Yes please. :)
02:03 wizzyrea     I'll chair if you want
02:03 BobB         :)
02:03 jcamins      Warning: I want to go to bed in twenty minutes.
02:03 wizzyrea     oh, no, bobb I'm the dumb one
02:03 jcamins      Fine, I'll take out the cookies and I'll chair.
02:03 BobB         Oh.  Not big oops.
02:03 jwagner      I was looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings
02:03 jcamins      That is right now.
02:02 BobB         Oh.  Big oops!
02:02 jcamins      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_May_2013
02:02 wizzyrea     tomorrow for us I think bobb
02:02 wizzyrea     7 may 2 utc
02:02 BobB         Hi Jane.  This time is in my diary
02:01 jwagner      There hasn't been any agenda linked from the wiki page. Is this really the right time?
02:01 druthb       not it!
02:01 * BobB       smiles and waves back
02:01 jcamins      I will not be chairing as -- other than when I'm talking -- I will be putting away cookies.
02:01 * druthb     waves to BobB
02:01 BobB         yep
02:00 jcamins      Looks like it's time for a meeting.
02:00 BobB         hello
01:07 druthb       I'll be back shortly.
01:06 cjh          oh wow, there is an irc meeting soon :)
01:05 dcook        Huh, it is May after all..
01:05 dcook        Really?
01:04 jcamins      Huh.
01:04 druthb       looks like, anyway.
01:03 druthb       mhm
01:03 jcamins      Wait, there's a meeting?
01:02 druthb       Meeting in an hour?
00:45 jcamins      Yeah, that's my plan.
00:44 dcook        I know that my list is incomplete as well, but I plan to revisit it again at some point
00:44 dcook        Iterative listing?
00:41 jcamins      So this list is going to woefully incomplete.
00:40 jcamins      Probably I did.
00:40 jcamins      A lot of these titles are familiar, but I don't remember if I read them.
00:37 dcook        Turn it into a part of the nightly routine? ;)
00:36 dcook        I was just saying that the more people take up Goodreads and the more they rate/mark books, the more utility the site has for the individual
00:36 jcamins      I think I'm going to run out of energy by the time I get to the end of "Best Children's Historical Fiction."
00:36 * dcook      thinks jcamins should track all his reads then share his url ;)
00:35 jcamins      I read a lot of these books.
00:35 jcamins      Wow.
00:32 jcamins      I was traumatized by that book.
00:32 jcamins      Johnny Tremain.
00:32 dcook        hehe
00:32 cjh          heh
00:31 jcamins      Heh. I've read just about all the children's historical fiction.
00:31 jcamins      He realized that he hadn't killed off enough of the Forsaken, and it became silly.
00:30 cjh          I have only read up to book 5 or so, planning to try read through them again 'some day'
00:30 jcamins      cjh: I got bored by the end.
00:30 dcook        But I left a little note in Goodreads telling me the page I'm on for when I finally get it from the next library
00:30 jcamins      Wait... this interface is different here.
00:30 cjh          jcamins: did you not like the later wheel of time books? :o
00:30 dcook        Only read 106 pages before I had to take it back
00:30 dcook        back in Vancouver
00:30 dcook        For instance, I borrowed 1Q84 fromt he public library
00:30 jcamins      Meh. I'll rate.
00:29 dcook        I find it useful for little notes as well
00:29 dcook        one less click ;)
00:29 dcook        But if you rank, it assumes you've read it, and you can go to the next item in a list
00:29 dcook        Like, you have to choose the "read" options from a list
00:29 dcook        I think rating can sometimes make the process faster though
00:28 dcook        I only occasionally rate or review
00:28 jcamins      Hm.
00:28 dcook        You can do "read", "reading", "want to read"
00:28 dcook        Yep. That works
00:28 jcamins      What if I don't want to rate, just check off?
00:27 dcook        I've fallen behind on my use of it over the past few months, but it's pretty handy
00:27 jcamins      Maybe not.
00:27 jcamins      I think.
00:26 jcamins      I have an account.
00:26 jcamins      Maybe I should try.
00:26 jcamins      I do not.
00:25 dcook        While I'm sure I've missed some books that I've read, I was amazed at how many from my past I was able to suddenly remember (and then track)
00:25 dcook        jcamins: Do you use Goodreads?
00:25 jcamins      It sure is. I'd love to know how many words/pages I've read in my life, but I can't even keep track of how much I read this year.
00:23 dcook        That's a lot of book
00:22 jcamins      That's impressive.
00:22 jcamins      Or 2.84 million words.
00:21 jcamins      Okay, only 7715 pages.
00:20 jcamins      But that took, what, 30k pages?
00:20 dcook        What's the definition of insanity again..
00:20 jcamins      Like Wheel of Time.
00:20 dcook        hehe
00:20 jcamins      Eventually I give up.
00:20 jcamins      I will slog through excessive numbers of sequels to my favorite books, and I am disappointed, every time.
00:19 cjh          trea++
00:19 jcamins      This is a theme with me.
00:19 wizzyrea     trea is a fan of Ender's Game too
00:19 jcamins      I read all the sequels to Ender's Game as well.
00:19 dcook        Loved Ender's Game as well, although never read any sequels
00:18 dcook        So good
00:17 jcamins      I loved Ender's Game.
00:17 cjh          there is an Ender's game movie coming out soon, have to try read the book before then :p
00:17 wizzyrea     heh yea.
00:16 jcamins      I didn't like Speaker for the Dead, either.
00:16 cjh          [off] more ML fun?
00:16 wizzyrea     ... a untarred folder owned by koha in / causes an upgrade.
00:14 cjh          I really want to try finish the 3rd and 4th, but it is starting to feel like a chore so they may end up on the 'some day' (hint: never) list.
00:13 jcamins      cjh: nope.
00:13 cjh          jcamins: so none compare to the first?
00:13 dcook        Yeah, I had a middle school friend who read a few by the successors. I think I would stop after the originals
00:13 dcook        hehe
00:13 jcamins      (hint: no)
00:13 jcamins      I kept on telling myself "surely the next one will be good."
00:12 jcamins      It was painful.
00:12 cjh          xD
00:12 jcamins      cjh: all the ones written by Frank Herbert, and a few by his successors.
00:12 cjh          jcamins: did you read any of the later books in the series?
00:12 cjh          I seem to be failing to find their most popular list, I can only find it by month or year.
00:11 jcamins      I love Dune.
00:10 dcook        Not sure that I'm digging Murakami, but willing to give him a chance
00:10 dcook        I'm only about 100 pages in..
00:10 dcook        Still need to read 1Q84...
00:09 dcook        Dune, lol
00:09 dcook        What's the book at #1 on the list?
00:09 cjh          :)
00:09 dcook        Just added Human Is? :D
00:08 * cjh        adds The Beach to goodreads list
00:05 dcook        Just picked up Alex Garland's The Beach, so I might have to re-visit PKD for a catch up when I'm done
00:04 dcook        I'll have to give it a read :)
00:04 cjh          for me it is probably the most memorable
00:03 cjh          beyond lies the wub was his first published, and it is still quite fun :)
00:02 cjh          http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/d#a33399
00:02 dcook        Oooh..
00:02 cjh          IIRC quite a few of his short stories are on project gutenberg
00:02 dcook        Fortunately, I got to read it in a class where we read the book then watched Blade Runner and chatted about it for hours
00:01 dcook        Mmm, same
00:01 cjh          havent read Ubik, I loved electric sheep :)
00:01 dcook        :D
00:01 cjh          I started by picking  up a copy of "Human is?" which is a collection of his short stories, the goal to read 'all' his books still continues.
00:01 dcook        </rant>
00:01 dcook        I wonder if the first Matrix film would even exist if it weren't for PKD
00:00 dcook        The Man in the High Castle though...
00:00 dcook        Also...not a big fan of Ubik :p
00:00 dcook        As for the short stories...I don't think I've read any except Minority Report