Time Nick Message 23:49 cjh heh 23:49 jcamins lol 23:48 eythian use the bottom of a mug or something. 23:48 jcamins I have no idea what they're talking about. 23:48 jcamins Acrobat's instructions tell me to use a "circular object" for creating a radio button. 23:37 dcook Mostly just at the eye rolling stage at the moment 23:36 dcook Not quite yet 23:36 dcook lol 23:36 jcamins dcook: yay! So I guess your better half is in mourning? 23:30 dcook New computer has arrived ^_^ 23:30 * dcook claps 23:24 mtj afaik, my recently added filters are working a treat 23:13 eythian If I can get him to do the only possible reliable test, that he hasn't apparently done yet, then it'll show either that he's right, or that he's unequivocally wrong. I'm fairly sure I know what he's doing, of course. 23:11 jcamins ... 30 messages ago. 23:11 jcamins I thought that thread would finally die. 23:11 jcamins I was more concerned about future occurrences. 23:10 eythian heh 23:10 jcamins eythian: believe it or not, that didn't occur to me. 23:09 eythian you missed nothing too exciting really. 23:09 eythian jcamins: can't you just hit "ignore thread"? 23:08 * jcamins had the good sense not to read the message and find out what it was responding to, at least. 23:06 jcamins eythian: for goodness' sake, stop cleaning up your quotes! My filter consistently fails to catch your messages! 23:05 jcamins :D 23:05 jcamins omg! That's fantastic! :D 23:04 wahanui cooking help is http://awfullibrarybooks.net/kitchen-tech/ 23:04 eythian wahanui: cooking help 23:04 eythian jcamins: btw, I don't know if you saw already, but I found something for you. 23:04 eythian cool. 22:58 jcamins I agree 100% with your broader point too, of course. 22:58 eythian well, actually, so was my reply just then too. 22:58 eythian oh right :) 22:58 jcamins I was referring to "it can sometimes be tempting..." 22:57 eythian jcamins: yeah, it pays to keep it in mind. Though I'd expect that this would be the sort of thing the QA team would catch anyway. 22:57 jcamins :) 22:56 jcamins eythian: ya think? 22:46 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 22:46 wizzyrea mailing lists 22:43 bgkriegel well, i'll work to put it in a bug 22:43 bgkriegel :) 22:43 wizzyrea so thanks for that 22:42 wizzyrea also snaggy is amazing. 22:42 bgkriegel in the image top is search result, bottom is me touching mastehead.inc, middle is with breadcrums style as class 22:42 jcamins Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. 22:42 jcamins Ooh, nice! 22:41 bgkriegel could it be defined as class, to reuse in other pages? 22:41 bgkriegel look http://snag.gy/tTBAu.jpg 22:41 bgkriegel yes ok 22:41 bgkriegel i'm touching authority search results 22:40 jcamins That would involve string changes, so it'll have to wait until 3.14. :( 22:40 bgkriegel andowhere else 22:40 bgkriegel on ccsr there are pretty breadcrumbs but only on search results 22:39 jcamins Yes? 22:39 wahanui i think jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. 22:39 bgkriegel jcamins? 22:37 mtj that my expereince.. :) 22:36 mtj yep, historically its some kids downstairs searching for 'PPEEEENISSSSSSSS FARRTTTT'..… 22:36 wizzyrea or did 30 kids in a school class all click search at the same time 22:36 wizzyrea or did someone just post 50 links to the catalogue on a wordpress site set to pingback 22:35 mtj munin gives good historical info on apache and mysql 22:35 wizzyrea or does someone have a stuck f5 key 22:35 mtj the big Q is usually… is my apache gettings DDOSed?, or is someone running a goofy report? 22:34 rambutan tnx for tip 22:34 rambutan I'll look at it tonight at home and pass it to my tech as a "todo" 22:32 mtj ...when your box hangs 22:32 mtj munin will give you info on what your apache, mysql , cpu, ram, disk and swap is up to 22:32 rambutan oh? what would munin do for me? I'll check it out. 22:23 mtj rambutan, you should run munin on your koha box, to help diagnose your performance problem 22:22 rangi ill give it a try 22:20 wahanui well, eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem. 22:20 mtj heya eythian 22:20 mtj screenshot looks good ^^ 22:20 mtj https://github.com/cpbotha/nvpy 22:19 eythian hi 22:19 mtj ...i just discovered this, so havent tried it out yet 22:19 mtj but, there looks to be a linux rewrite here -> http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/28/cult-favorite-note-taking-app-notational-velocity-gets-a-cross-platform-alternative/ 22:18 mtj the bad news is its osx only :/ 22:18 mtj rangi, i swear by a TODO/note app called -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notational_Velocity 22:14 bag great! 22:14 druthb awesome sauce! 22:14 bag how you doing? 22:14 bag hey druthb 22:13 * druthb pokes bag with her pointy stick, by way of greeting. 22:12 bag I think we have a few that do 22:12 bag they shouldn't :P 22:05 tcohen does anyone use authority search? 22:00 cait hmpf. 21:59 druthb B'zacly! 21:59 wizzyrea cait is perfect, she would never snore. 21:59 druthb Hmpf. 21:59 * cait pretends to snore 21:59 * druthb sees what time it is in Germany, and gives cait the ebil eye 21:59 tcohen ;) 21:58 tcohen i found it useful for my China packages 21:58 rangi oh cool 21:58 rangi hmm nope 21:58 tcohen https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.app.grandag.trackchecker 21:58 tcohen have u used trackchecker rangi? 21:44 cait i think drojf was expecting his some time soon too 21:44 cait cool :) 21:43 rangi ohh i got mail from ups my phone is on it's way 21:30 Dyrcona well, time for me to go. 21:30 cait :) 21:30 Dyrcona If not, I'll write it. :) 21:29 Dyrcona cait: Right. There is likely already something to do what I want. 21:29 cait which is why it turned out to be a good place for an easy to edit to do list 21:29 cait Dyrcona: one of the small things i like is editing text files in the app 21:29 cait Dyrcona: not sure what you want to do, but there might be something already 21:28 magnuse when i went to visit it now it upgraded to 5.0.5 or something, and then it asked me to log in?? 21:28 cait hm i think we talked about it once magnuse? 21:28 Dyrcona cait: I'd like to make a plugin (if necessary) for libreoffice. 21:28 magnuse i have owncloud on a server 21:28 Dyrcona It's in FreeBSD ports. The server I'm thinking of runs FreeBSD. 21:28 cait Dyrcona: I also was able to use the owncloud client for ubuntu, but it turns out I like it better to just use the web interface 21:28 magnuse huh 21:27 cait guess I should update :) 21:27 cait hm 5 is there already? it iddn't show me that there was an update ts 21:26 Dyrcona cait: Thanks. I'm pondering throwing owncloud 5 on a server at home, 'cause Google Drive isn't doing it for me. :) 21:25 cait mostly using it for koha related things and it works fine for that :) 21:25 cait and I have integrated access to my roundcube for qam mails 21:25 cait i have it working with my thunderbird calendar 21:24 cait the encryption plugin shows this note: Server side encryption of files. DEPRECATED. This app is no longer supported and will be replaced with an improved version in ownCloud 5. Only enable this features if you want to read old encrypted data. Warning: You will lose your data if you enable this App and forget your password. Encryption is not yet compatible with LDAP. 21:22 cait but I think they haven't fixed encryption yet... so not using it for anything really important right now 21:21 cait i like it 21:21 Dyrcona cait: How is owncloud working for you? I'm thinking of giving it a try on my home server. 21:20 * Dyrcona uses ical calendars and sunbird. 21:19 * magnuse uses Remember the milk, but isn't completely happy with it 21:18 jcamins On phone. Obviously. 21:17 jcamins not 21:17 jcamins Bot foss, though. 21:17 jcamins Also hivemindet, sometomes. 21:17 jcamins text file in git. 21:17 bag heh 21:17 bag my brain !!! 21:16 cait rangi: txt file in my owncloud thingy 21:15 rangi brb 21:14 bag yeah iotop will show a bunch 21:14 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:14 rangi ahh i want it for work, so not google :) 21:14 wizzyrea probably not your thing. 21:14 * wizzyrea isn't very creative, I just use google's todo thingie 21:14 rangi rambutan: another thing to try is iotop 21:13 rangi offtopic, anyone got some software they use for todo lists and like? 21:13 wizzyrea aherm, you can, in fact, kill off a koha server with a stuck f5 key :P 21:13 rambutan we're pretty well spec'd out 21:13 rambutan 16gb 21:13 rangi ive seen those apaches use around 256m each 21:12 rangi how much ram? 21:12 rambutan as soon as I could ssh in I did check the number of apache connections--looked like we had 13 or so 21:12 trea always good to check your processes and see if guided_reports is running during these periods of slowness 21:11 trea also, some reports can get pretty resource intensive 21:11 rangi its pretty easy for it to OOM the system 21:11 rangi rambutan: check your max connections in apache 21:10 cait it'a harder to feel for a shovel tho... zebras are cuter 21:10 rangi thats like blaming a shovel cos you dug a whole in the wrong place :) 21:10 rambutan I'll stand down 21:09 rangi none of which is zebras fault 21:09 rangi basically we got left a crappile of code from that egg who sold ll 21:09 rangi its the code we write to use it that is a pest 21:08 rangi thats the entire point 21:08 rangi no, no it hasnt 21:08 rangi its always been code that someone in the koha community has written 21:08 rambutan zebra has always been a pest 21:08 rangi time 21:08 rangi so blaming it is a waste of 21:08 rangi its never ever been zebra in the past 21:08 rambutan I know the devs do, but.... 21:07 rambutan I don't like zebra. 21:07 cait and I'd think even innocent 21:07 cait the poor thing! 21:07 cait oh don't 21:07 rambutan ah, I'll just blame zebra 21:06 rambutan and I think we have anti-bot measures in place too 21:06 rambutan no, we were all just sitting here waiting. It wouldn't serve the OPAC page, the staff client was unresponsive, and I couldn't even get an ssh response. 21:05 cait could be an impatient group of humans then? :) 21:04 rambutan I've seen the google bot slow things down on our old Sirsi server like that, but no sign of that creepy-crawlie here and now. 21:04 cait maybe a bot crawling your catalog 21:04 cait did you see which script was started so often? 21:04 rambutan well, this was a momentary thing, it seemed to self-recover after about 4 minutes 21:03 cait and i might talk nonsense here :) 21:03 cait and in the perl code the system tries to do soemthing with the collection without checking there is an actual value for the varable 21:03 cait like say all your items have no collection 21:02 cait but if you have a condition where a variable is not initialized it will happen 21:02 rambutan Use of uninitialized value in <string, $printer, concatenation, hash, hotdogs> 21:02 cait i am not an expert 21:02 cait it's probably not the reason of your problem 21:01 rambutan yea, so what isn't ideal that's putting them in there? We just had our ILS slow to a crawl, almost unresponsive, and I noticed the error log was filled with those lines 21:00 cait i mean apart from they should ideall ynot be there 21:00 cait hm they are warns... not really I think 20:59 rambutan are there generalized statements that can be made about "Use of uninitialized value in xxx" that show up in the koha error logs? 20:39 drojf good night #koha 20:21 drojf great idea 20:20 cait you should do that for your thesis 20:20 druthb slot-something.. 20:20 cait there isn't? 20:20 drojf leo only knows a small part of german. unfortunately there is no german urban dictionary 20:20 druthb Neither does LEO. 20:19 cait not even I know that one 20:19 drojf we have a lot of funny words 20:19 * drojf hides behind a wall of zlotschenschrübel 20:19 cait drojf: i tried.. 20:18 * druthb pokes drojf gently with the pointy stick. 20:18 druthb yis! 20:18 cait you only want to use the pointy stick 20:18 cait he can has nompf 20:16 * druthb wields her pointy stick, gone unused since libsysguy left. 20:16 druthb nuh-uh! 20:15 drojf it's a word in german. at least i'll claim that from now on. 20:14 * druthb looks at drojf curiously. 20:12 drojf nompf? 20:10 druthb hmpf? 20:09 cait hmpf 20:08 druthb cait++ # For cookies! 20:08 cait :) 20:07 oleonard drojf++ # for chaos. 19:17 * drojf creates some chaos on bugzilla 18:06 maximep aaaaaaaaah found my problem and now I understand the cron. All is fine! I just had an irregularity set to May -_- 17:53 cait tcohen: that sounds about right to me :) 17:52 tcohen but, of course, i can be so confused i understood what i wanted to hear heh 17:52 tcohen i think Colin was clear in the fact that we are showing a borrower we should pass a "borrower" object to the templates, and avoid dealing with presentation code in the cgi scripts 17:51 bgkriegel for example 17:51 bgkriegel drojf: if the smtp server accept to act as an open relay for you then you could send as any address (i'm using a gmail account), and the line in remotes is '192.168.3.1 smtp' 17:48 maximep what ? sometimes I don't even understand what I write in english 17:48 maximep going to look for the initial bug with that script. Maybe it explains it's use 17:47 drojf bgkriegel: i vaguely remember that it tried to use the hostname of the computer running it as the first part of the email address and i could not make it stop. but i'm not sure if that was the problem in the end. i changed several files and it just did not work for me 17:47 maximep the grace is in the initial sql which looks fine to me. AND DATE_ADD(planneddate, INTERVAL CAST(graceperiod AS SIGNED) DAY) < NOW() 17:46 maximep hmmm 17:46 maximep the manual says "checks if there is a "late" issue on active subscriptions, and if there is, the script will set it as late, and add the next one as expected." 17:46 cait not sure if it should take that into account? 17:46 * jcamins is just going off of what you said earlier about what the script was doing. 17:46 cait we also have a grace period here 17:46 cait hm 17:46 maximep maybe i'm just not understanding what the script does 17:45 jcamins maximep: not for that script, apparently. 17:45 bgkriegel drojf: only one line in /etc/nullmailer/remotes and an admin address 17:45 maximep jcamins: huh, i'm lost. I tought it was as simple as planneddate < today, then it's late 17:45 jcamins At least, that's the reasoning behind the script, I think. 17:44 cait khall++ for asking for clarification 17:44 bgkriegel drojf: but in my case (as in that email) it not an option, so... 17:44 jcamins maximep: because you don't know that an issue is late until the next one comes out. 17:44 drojf and i always wondered who the people are that say "use nullmailer, it's easy". now i found you ;) 17:43 maximep but if the published date of the current issue > the planned date, shouldnt it be set late ? Why whould the following issue matter ? 17:43 drojf bgkriegel: i don't remember what the problem was. postfix was easier in the end. i had to look deeper into configuration but it eventually did what i configuered. i did not have that impression when i tried nullmailer :) 17:43 bgkriegel djrof: in my last install I only need to request an open relay for the koha box 17:42 jcamins If you expected the upcoming issue to have already arrived, and the following issue has already been published, the next issue is by definition late. 17:41 drojf tcohen: it was some time ago. i gave up at some point and eventually got postfix working 17:41 bgkriegel mm, you could check mail.info or mail.err 17:41 tcohen nullmailer provides *only* the sendmail/mail command 17:41 drojf tcohen: i thought i did 17:41 jcamins maximep: that makes sense to me. 17:41 tcohen did you properly set the /etc/nullmailer/remotes file drojf ? 17:41 * drojf tries not to make a bad joke about serialsSurpriseUpdate 17:40 maximep doesn't make sense to me 17:40 maximep it looks for serials where the planneddate < NOW and then checks if the nextpublisheddate is < today to set them late 17:40 drojf bgkriegel: cool. i wonder what i did wrong then 17:39 maximep anyone ever used misc/cronjobs/serialsUpdate.pl and could explain it to me ? 17:39 bgkriegel drojf: yes, many times 17:39 drojf bgkriegel: have you successfully used nullmailer? because i have read this kind of description a few times and that thing never worked for me ;) 17:38 jcamins Or use it as expensive vinegar. 17:38 jcamins drojf: apparently. 17:37 drojf jcamins: so better give it away as a fancy-looking present? 17:33 jcamins The proper time to drink Bordeaux of that vintage is "never." 17:32 jcamins Heh. 1968 was not a good year for wine. 17:30 maximep 1.2.6 seems to be the stable version in debian, ubuntu, gentoo, etc 17:29 jcamins Ah, only in versions of nginx I don't use. 17:29 druthb gotta be *someone* to blame. jcamins was yesterday 17:29 drojf huh? 17:29 * druthb blames drojf 17:28 maximep there's security problems in stuff like that every day 17:27 drojf http://mailman.nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-announce/2013/000112.html 17:27 jcamins drojf: nope. 17:26 drojf i suppose the security problem in nginx already made it here? 17:21 druthb don't worry, tcohen. If she won't give you cookies, I will. I owe ya. 17:21 * cait hands tcohen one 17:21 cait hmmm 17:20 tcohen can I get free cookies today? 17:19 drojf yay! 17:19 * cait hands drojf a big portion of cookies 17:19 cait oh right 17:19 cait thx gmcharlt 17:19 drojf i did three signoffs today *hides* 17:19 cait hehe 17:19 druthb cait doesn't glare without good reason. Except at me. 17:18 * druthb glares at drojf, too 17:18 gmcharlt drojf: I suspect not until you have at least one bugfix in *your* hand ;) 17:18 tcohen hmm don't think so 17:18 drojf *kind of 17:18 drojf is it the good kinf od glaring, with happiness and cookies in your hands? 17:17 * cait glares at drojf 17:17 drojf cait, the voice of boredo^wsanity 17:14 drojf make scripts choose one codebase by random every time 17:14 cait and a reminder - bugs can still go into 3.12! 17:14 cait i would be happy if people concentrated on fixing bugs... instead of anything else 17:14 drojf hide different versions of koha everywhere to drive people nuts 17:13 drojf lol sure tcohen 17:13 tcohen can I do it in bash drojf? :-P 17:13 tcohen drojf++ 17:13 drojf [off] we could have a feature that decreases functionality of your koha installation proportionally to your trolling activities 17:12 jcamins [off] Apparently wasting everyone's time is considered a reasonable alternative to contributing. 17:11 drojf :D 17:11 drojf we are better than that!. (please!) 17:11 jcamins My bets are on the trolling continuing. 17:10 drojf i really hope that thread will just die now or i will get into the filter business too. it's a very good moment to never answer again since he had the last word on every tentacle of that thread now. 17:08 jcamins YES! My filters worked! Life is good! 16:57 drojf ok, the fun is over, i'm switching back to my usual tl:dr behaviour 16:55 tcohen jcamins++ # for cheerfuly receiving the email burst 16:54 tcohen heh drojf 16:54 tcohen poor Paul, looks like his subconscious doesn't want to accept he (somehow) put 3.8.10 code on his setp 16:54 drojf oh, lots of emails for jcamins 16:50 * oleonard cancels the campaign 16:50 druthb :P 16:49 druthb uhm….no 16:49 oleonard Why not, I could use the money! Elected positions are well-paid, right? 16:44 * druthb thought about voting for oleonard for something, too. 16:43 bgkriegel no problem at all 16:43 bgkriegel hehe 16:42 oleonard Don't worry bgkriegel, here in #koha we are happy to vote for people who aren't at the meeting. They have fewer chances to back out that way. 16:42 cait bgkriegel: don't worry about the meeting - it achieved the most important thing without you even being there :) 16:39 bgkriegel hi cait 16:39 cait congrats :) 16:39 bgkriegel druthb, I miss the meeting, a bad combination of things to do and timezone confusion :( 16:39 * cait waves to druthb and bgkriegel 16:38 * druthb waves to cait. 16:38 druthb I'm gonna be updating the docs and whatnot on doing the Pootle updates; after that, let's talk about getting you in there, and I can walk you through how I do it. Sound good? 16:37 druthb Hi, bgkriegel! 16:36 bgkriegel hi druthb :) 16:29 * druthb chuckles. 16:29 rambutan https://clandestineragerevealed.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/zero.jpg 16:27 druthb bgkriegel++ 16:25 rambutan zero bars 16:22 huginn` rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 22 minutes and 8 seconds ago: <jcamins> I have zero bars on my phone so I'm surprised I could even receive an e-mail. 16:22 rambutan @seen jcamins 16:06 gaetan_B bye koha ! 16:00 jcamins I have zero bars on my phone so I'm surprised I could even receive an e-mail. 15:58 jcamins Someone with internet please respond and tell them that marcauthimport is deprecated? 15:58 tweetbot [off] twitter: @Hyperboreasrl: "Il 23 maggio parteciperemo allo "Spring Event". Ci trovate allo stand del Gruppo Italiano Koha #KohaILS #biblioteche http://t.co/v4Wxpv4Ylc" 15:46 reiveune bye 15:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4137 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPACViewOthersSuggestions is not working nicely 15:46 oleonard Ha! Bug 4137 15:41 kf oleonard: and yesall those sound like bugs :( 15:36 kf oleonard: it used to I think - give you a new link in navigation 15:31 oleonard And OPACViewOthersSuggestions doesn't seem to do anything. 15:30 ashimema quit 15:27 oleonard Also, when I click on "new purchase suggestion" a terrifying fiery pit opens in the floor next to me and I hear the tortured screams of countless damned souls. Seems like a bug to me. 15:22 oleonard Next question: If AnonSuggestions is enabled, but the patron is logged in, shouldn't the suggestion be connected to their account? That seems like a bug to me. 15:21 oleonard *whew* 15:21 oleonard Oh it must be the anonymous patron! 15:19 oleonard Why are all my purchase suggestions being saved with someone else's borrowernumber? 14:59 ashimema cheers jcamins 14:59 * jcamins leaves again, having imparted "wisdom." 14:58 ashimema :) jcamins: glad you said that.. it was confusing the life out of me.. 14:58 druthb gmcharlt++ 14:57 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #220: "jcamins: Facebook may not like unspecified relationships, but rare books catalogers do!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:41 PM, October 19, 2012) 14:57 gmcharlt @quote random 14:57 jcamins *kittens 14:57 jcamins I'm trying to get us off CCL, because CCL kills kitens for fun. 14:57 jcamins ccl.properties maps PQF attributes to friendly strings. 14:57 ashimema i had a feeling that might be the case.. 14:56 jcamins ashima: we dodn't use cql.properties. 14:43 ashimema oo. found yet another zebra page on the wiki i wasn't aware of before.. a recent 'quest' to add indexes and document how..: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_add_new_zebra_index 14:35 * magnuse wanders off to make dinner 14:35 magnuse ashimema: feel free to improve the wiki in any way you can :-) 14:33 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=cataloguing/value_builder/stocknumber.pl;h=711904fd5fb0c9aa8fd81387579e74a9a332f12d;hb=af6fa247fd2c1340a9becb81794674b3e7ee9da7 14:33 kf for example I am wondering how this works: 14:32 ashimema :) 14:32 ashimema it's actually a bit of a re-write of that page to be honest.. that's where i got allot of the info from in the first place.. that and trial and error. 14:32 drojf if appropriate 14:32 drojf or even put it there directly 14:31 drojf ashimema: if you link to it from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing i'm sure people will find it 14:30 ashimema I've done some documentation for our internal staff regarding it (hence asking the question so I can add ccl into the mix).. was thinking I may also dump that onto the community wiki.. though the community wiki is a tad disorganised so it may never be found there :P 14:30 drojf documentation is for the weak :D 14:29 kf some ofour catalouging plugins would be really happy about documentation... 14:28 drojf that may be true :) 14:28 ashimema indeed we do.. though i've been getting the feeling for a while now we're in a minority in using it and as such has some of the most competent at turning indexdata's docs into understandable English instead of technobable ;) 14:27 drojf and the :) in using zebra is debatable ;) 14:27 drojf we just use it :) 14:26 drojf ashimema: a lot of info on all things zebra is directly on the indexdata website since they are the company behind it. it is not done by koha (in case you didn't know) 14:25 ashimema aha.. nice find drojf.. not seen it, will have a read now. 14:23 drojf ashimema: have you seen http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#CCL ? 14:21 ashimema :) 14:20 kf i know at least one of the experts is not back before tomorrow - so maybe try then :) 14:20 ashimema cheers kf.. I'll stick around and see ifanyone picks it up in here in later.. it's not hugely important.. more of an 'interest' question so I wasn't going to pollute the lists with it. 14:20 tcohen kf, its the MarkIssueReturned function 14:18 kf tcohen: guess i just wanted to say this doesn't sound normal 14:18 kf ashimema: maybe try asking on the mailing list or later 14:17 kf i mean a customization or soemthing special? 14:16 kf is that something thatis in normal koha? 14:12 tcohen and cannot figure what the problem is 14:12 tcohen we are having 20sec updates on the issues table on chekout 14:12 tcohen has anyone noticed performance issues with the now() function in MySQL? 14:07 ashimema To elaborate.. i'm happy with adding fields for searching to both koha and sru.. using the combination of record.abs, bib1.att, ccl.properties and search.pm.. (or pqf.properties for sru searching).. ccl.properties is a mystery and searching the koha wiki brings up nought. 14:04 ashimema I think i've now got my head around most of it.. but wondered if anyone could explain how the cql.properties config files relates to the whole thing? 14:03 ashimema Any zebra 'experts' in the house? 13:53 tcohen hmm, i didn't realize it was only 5 hour diff from argentina in konstanz 13:52 wahanui night is ¡oh noche amable mas que el aluorada! 13:52 tcohen night? 13:52 kf evening? :) 13:51 tcohen good evening kf BTW 13:46 tcohen thanks kf 13:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9961 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Truncation and QueryAutoTruncate not working properly with new QueryParser 13:44 kf drojf++ for bug 9961 13:43 kf tcohen: maybe try emailing him :) 13:34 tcohen I'd like to work on recovering the daemon from temporal DB connection problems also 13:33 tcohen fredericd: can we move on with the inclusion of your indexer in Koha? 13:29 magnuse hehe 13:19 jcamins kf: "Bibframe" and "done" in the same sentence are something like "Overdrive" and "user friendly." 13:17 kf just a little worried 13:16 jcamins You're telling me you don't find that funny? 13:16 jcamins Hehe. 13:16 kf jcamins: did you take your frog pills today? 13:16 magnuse any mention of embedded punctuation makes my brain stop 13:15 magnuse well, if you believe the hype... 13:15 * jcamins bursts out into laughter again. 13:15 jcamins Bibframe... well on its way... RDA... 13:15 jcamins Definitely irony. 13:15 jcamins magnuse: irony. 13:14 magnuse jcamins: unsure how to parse that... is it irony or not? 13:14 magnuse yay! 13:13 alex_a s/must/will/ 13:13 alex_a :) 13:13 magnuse marcmustdie! 13:13 kf we almost always forget the deleted* old_* tables 13:12 * kf remembers now the last time she found out those fields were hardcoded... 13:12 khall kf: thanks for the fyi ; ) 13:12 kf or I will fail qa it immediately :P 13:12 kf your new field 13:12 kf khall: don't forget adding it to deletedsmething as well 13:11 jcamins [off] (discussion regarding the inclusion of ISBD punctuation at the end of subfields to indicate what the data in the next subfield is) 13:10 jcamins ... discussions moot I think. 13:10 kf hi all :) 13:10 jcamins [off] Greatest e-mail of all time: "No matter. Our ILS systems built upon Bibframe will no doubt automatically take care of all this and much more. Since Bibframe must be well on its way to fruition or they wouldn't have initiated the use of RDA, we'll be in good shape here soon. From the discussion over on Bibframe, not only will we not have to worry about subfields, we will no longer be working with such backward concepts as records. Renders our ... 13:10 * Dyrcona lols 13:10 * jcamins laughs hysterically. 13:10 reiveune Hi kf :) 13:09 wahanui I saw it on Digg! 13:09 reiveune it's true 13:09 gaetan_B kf: to answer your question more clearly, actually we always index with -x (i wasn't sure because reiveune does this, not me!) 13:04 oleonard System preferences are a vast and tangled forest. 13:04 * drojf needs caffeine 13:04 drojf i should just have scrolled down :( 13:04 drojf ah thanks. i had patronimages and assumed that was all 13:03 oleonard OPACpatronimages 13:03 oleonard patronimages 13:02 drojf is there an extra syspref for image in opac that i missed? 13:02 drojf oleonard: /cgi-bin/koha/opac-patron-image.pl does not do anything for me 12:53 drojf ah i found it! thanks 12:53 oleonard moremember.pl 12:53 oleonard drojf: The patron detail page 12:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10201 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Old OPAC patron update system should be removed 12:53 drojf oleonard: i am trying bug 10201. where do i upload the patron image in staff client? 12:52 khall found my problem. I didn't realize the biblio table fields were hardcoded in _koha_modify_biblio and _koha_add_biblio 12:52 tcohen I missed the meeting! 12:51 oleonard It was even May 7 last night tcohen! 12:50 tcohen What? Its already May 7? 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9961 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Truncation and QueryAutoTruncate not working properly with new QueryParser 12:46 drojf bug 9961 is waiting for qa 12:34 drojf s/bu/but 12:34 drojf ah, there is the personal information thingy :P bu you're right, it's weird not to have UTC 12:33 oleonard If I just put in "18:00" Google thinks I mean 6PM in my time zone. 12:32 drojf can you leave it out? maybe it is the default 12:31 oleonard If I use "GMT" it works, and correctly calculates it for my time zone. 12:31 drojf if it is google it probably relies on your personal data to know what time it is in your area 12:29 oleonard You would think Google Calendar's natural language date parser would understand what "UTC" meant, being a global company and all 12:28 drojf great, i will come up with a lot of numbering schemes until then 12:27 magnuse and the numbering vote was postponed 12:26 magnuse yeah bgkriegel++ 12:26 drojf after reading the log of the meeting i desire cookies. apart from that… congratulations to bgkriegel! 12:25 khall it doesn't seem to help, but I did the in-framework first. I'm going to start fresh and do the global first 12:24 jcamins Does it work if you use the global MARC mapping rather than the in-framework mapping? 12:24 khall I think I'll start with a fresh install 12:23 khall nope! 12:23 jcamins Might as well save you the trouble if a patch was already around. 12:23 jcamins khall: yeah, I didn't look closely at that, but I know it's related to limiting permissions/visibility to specific libraries, so I wanted to make sure it wasn't a duplicate. 12:23 khall however, I still have no idea why my mapping isn't working! 12:22 magnuse oleonard: http://meetings.koha-community.org/ 12:22 khall jcamins, not quite the same thing, but interesting none the less! 12:22 oleonard No minutes on the wiki? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_May_2013 12:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod 12:21 jcamins ^^ bug 9055 12:21 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod 12:21 jcamins @query mandumah 12:21 oleonard We should elect an official "meeting tomorrow" reminder person. 12:21 jcamins khall: you saw... 12:20 drojf ah the nightish one 12:20 jcamins oleonard: it was a great meeting. :) 12:20 khall I'm trying to add a feature such that a bib record can be 'owned' by a library, and only that library can edit the record 12:20 drojf oh there was a meeting? 12:20 kf hi oleonard - no worries, i missed it too 12:20 oleonard Sorry for missing the meeting, #koha. 12:20 kf makes me curious what you are trying to do here 12:20 khall though I suspect the edit saves the record via ajax, so I wouldn't see the errors anyway, right? 12:18 khall no apache log output either 12:18 khall I'm not running either of those 12:18 jcamins Also, you restarted memcached/Plack? 12:18 jcamins If you mapped it for only some frameworks, you might be inadvertantly using the wrong framework when cataloging. 12:18 khall I'm only using the default framework, but I've also tried re-mapping it with the Koha to MARC mapping tool 12:17 khall And yet the existing mapped fields appear to work just fine 12:17 jcamins khall: did you map it for all the frameworks? 12:17 khall I'm a bit confuzzled. I've created a new field biblio.branchcode ( varchar 10 ), and mapped it to 951$o in the marc editor. Now, when I edit the record in Koha, and put a value in 951$o I expected it to also put that value in the new field I created, but it doesn't 12:00 Viktor Thanks for the help! 11:59 Viktor But 3.14 should come fully translated from start then if we update the new strings next time. 11:59 Viktor I guess people can still pull the translation from pootle. 11:59 kf :) 11:59 Viktor Will do. 11:59 jcamins Well, make sure you upload what they've finished by then so that some of the Swedish translation can go in. :) 11:58 Viktor I'll post as much as we have (if any) by may 19. 11:58 Viktor I'm going to start our translator on the swedish staff interface. But they will not be done by may 19 since it's the entire interface since it's the first time it's translated. 11:57 jcamins You have until May 19 or so. 11:57 Viktor Thanks jcamins 11:56 jcamins Translate away! 11:56 jcamins Definitely! 11:56 jcamins YES! 11:56 Viktor Question - Is it ok to start translating the staff interface of 3.12? 11:55 Viktor It is :) kf 11:54 kf well... 11:54 drojf kf: you think it's me? :D 11:53 kf Viktor: all wellwith you too? 11:53 kf everytime you work ther... 11:53 drojf or it goes down a lot :/ 11:53 drojf it's ridiculous. every time i work here the wifi goes down for at least a few minutes around 2pm 11:52 kf drojf: still? you should switch university... um. 11:51 Viktor Glad to hear kf 11:50 drojf universitywifi-- 11:45 kf yeah, busy and well 11:44 Viktor All well with you? 11:44 Viktor Thanks kf :) 11:43 * kf hands Viktor coffee 11:42 drojf lol 11:40 kf lol 11:39 * magnuse wonders if Viktor's computer might have narcolepsy 11:34 kf hi khall 11:33 khall mornin kf, jcamins, et al! 11:25 jcamins I never saw errors on fewer than 400k. 11:24 jcamins Oh, wow. 11:24 gaetan_B *troubles 11:24 gaetan_B jcamins: total around 40 000, out of which 350 are giving us troubels 11:23 jcamins Also, how many records? 11:23 gaetan_B well, i'll go for lunch now and try it this afternoon then, :) 11:22 jcamins I think kf's suggestion of trying -x is a good one. 11:22 jcamins In that case it's not the problem I've encountered before, which is incorrect encoding. 11:21 jcamins Hmm. 11:21 gaetan_B jcamins: we did something like koha_rebuild_zebra -b -v -v --where "biblionumber = 17371"; and i don't think we had that 11:21 * kf gets the popcorn 11:20 jcamins When you run with several -vs, you don't get "STACK SMASHING DETECTED" or something like that? 11:19 gaetan_B jcamins: "previous transaction didn't reach commit", that's it... 11:19 jcamins gaetan_B: do you get an error message? 11:18 kf i would tr y it 11:18 kf becasue one of the fields might be too big or something 11:18 gaetan_B *? 11:18 gaetan_B you think it would make a difference , 11:18 gaetan_B kf: not always why ? 11:17 kf gaetan_B: you reindex with -x are you? 11:07 drojf wahanui++ 11:07 jcamins lol 11:07 drojf hahahah 11:07 wahanui will he ever win the cataloguing war? 11:07 drojf poor jcamins 11:07 jcamins I had the good sense not to read them, at least. 11:07 jcamins I find the way my filters aren't deleting new messages in that conversation disturbing. 11:04 drojf do you have a test record to play with? 11:03 gaetan_B i tend to think it's not related 11:03 gaetan_B now that i know what they do 11:03 gaetan_B so it's not necessarily linked to these rules 11:02 gaetan_B yes , but we changed everything that is said we should change on the wiki at the same time 11:02 drojf i don't think it should crash because of missing rules. then again, it's pretty weird you got more crashing without them :) 11:01 gaetan_B it could be completely unrelated 11:01 gaetan_B or 11:01 gaetan_B so i might need more rules 11:01 gaetan_B same problem, but 20 more records crash 11:00 drojf and without the rules? 10:58 gaetan_B "couldn't reach commit" or something 10:58 gaetan_B with a pretty obscure message 10:58 gaetan_B zebra crashes while indexing 10:58 drojf gaetan_B: how does it crash? does zebra crash while indexing? or does the OPAC not work? 10:56 drojf kf: did you put the rules in icu or in the non-icu charmap thing? 10:56 drojf i use icu here without any rules so far. but not for arabic yet 10:55 drojf gaetan_B: yeah. regarding your question if it would work without, i suppose it would and the rules are just a plus for certain cases 10:55 gaetan_B anyway, i'll send an email to Karam, he probably knows better 10:55 gaetan_B because in arabic you have to add "al" before nouns quite often 10:54 gaetan_B drojf: what these rules mean here is that something like "al arabiyah" should be indexed as "arabiyah" 10:52 drojf it would probably help if i had learned some arabic ^^ 10:51 gaetan_B drojf: yep 10:51 drojf those from the wiki page? 10:51 drojf gaetan_B: what rules do you have? 10:49 gaetan_B he will not know indeed, but what i want to know is whether these extra rules are needed just to make search easier (ie finding both ueber and über) or does zebra fail without them 10:49 * drojf takes a look at the log 10:49 gaetan_B with a healthy dose of a script i can't really read in there (though i did learn a minimal amount, which right now, turns out to be just enough to understand why we needed these extra rules in words-icu.xml!) 10:48 kf i think email woudl work better, but if it's specific to kurdish he might not know 10:48 gaetan_B drojf: precisely :D 10:47 gaetan_B is Karam around on the channel sometimes or should i rather email him *? 10:47 drojf gaetan_B: zebra fun? 10:47 gaetan_B so maybe we need more for kurdish indeed 10:47 drojf ?? 10:47 gaetan_B actually we have a few more records that make zebra crash without these rules 10:47 kf ask drojf *hide* 10:47 kf oh ok 10:47 drojf hi #koha 10:47 gaetan_B removing them doesn't help much 10:46 gaetan_B kf: i was about to try adding some actually 10:46 kf gaetan_B: does it work when you remove a part of the transliteration rules and reindex? or something like that? 10:35 * magnuse wanders off to lunch and translating 10:33 kf maybe he would be able to help 10:33 kf i think karam created that page 10:33 * gaetan_B really should have learnt arabic maybe 10:32 magnuse ooh, that sounds like fun... ;-) 10:32 gaetan_B rather a combination of some in a certain order 10:32 gaetan_B but not one specific character 10:32 gaetan_B it's clear now that the problem with these records come from some arabic characters 10:31 gaetan_B but it doesn't seem to explain my problem 10:31 kf http://userguide.icu-project.org/transforms/general 10:31 gaetan_B it's ok i understand why it's there now 10:31 rangi or Ö and oe 10:31 gaetan_B ok so if you don't do that, your search won't be very good but that shouldn't be a reason for zebra to crash on some records 10:31 kf icu is not koha specific, maybe google? 10:29 kf you can also use it to define how whitespace and some characters are treated 10:29 kf or ß is transliterated to ss - so when searching fuss or fuß you will still get all the same results 10:29 kf because both can be the same 10:28 kf so when you search for ü you will also get results for ue 10:28 gaetan_B for instance 10:28 gaetan_B one one side we have bah and on the other al bah 10:28 kf we got rules for example for ue and ü 10:28 kf it transliterates 10:28 gaetan_B and what does it change 10:28 gaetan_B kf: yes, i am actually trying to understand why we do that 10:27 kf gaetan_B: did you see this? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Arabic_records 10:26 kf magnuse++ 10:26 gaetan_B and *what do they do 10:25 gaetan_B does someone know how the transliteration rules in words-icu.xml work and do they do exactly ? 10:09 magnuse rangi++ 10:09 magnuse kf++ 10:03 kf good luck 10:03 zorky thanks for all the help :) 10:03 zorky ohh well im gonna grap some lunch. will come back tommorrow. 10:03 zorky still not working. 10:02 zorky with no errors on the install this time 10:02 kf where opac is the other url yougot 10:02 kf is youropac danish? 10:02 kf some might have succeded 10:02 zorky it seems to be succesfull 10:02 zorky i just ran the command with -v at the end. and i got 1 install succesfull. then it moved onto a ton of other lines creating 10:01 kf it's just a typo in one of the po files 10:01 zorky ahh 10:01 kf you might want to look into fixing this error 10:01 kf and it falls back to english 10:01 kf not all tempaltes would be created 10:01 kf sometiems a translation error can make the script die 10:00 zorky i ran the sudo command and all that. then got this 10:00 zorky msgstr: "%s Eksemplartypen er normalt ikke til udlån. %s %s Eksemplaret er normalt ikke til udlån %s(%s)%s. Udlåne alligevel? " 10:00 zorky msgid: "%s Item type is normally not for loan. %s %s Item is normally not for loan %s(%s)%s. %s Check out anyway? " 10:00 zorky line: 20043 10:00 zorky tmpl_process3.pl: Warning: unconsistent %s count: (7/6): 10:00 zorky sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK 10:00 zorky ohh well. lunch break is coming up. and i have to go right after. i'll hop onto this irc channel tom.. then im gonna take a backup of koha. and reinstall the damn thing. 09:59 kf there was no error when using th enw po files, right? when you ran the translation script? 09:59 kf werid 09:59 kf hm 09:59 zorky nope. still english when i click on it.. actually. nothing happends except the sites tries to load. and nothing happen 09:58 zorky ahh i see it now 09:57 magnuse if yo have activated more than one language there is a "bar" at the bootom of every page in the admin that lets you choose you language 09:56 kf normally it shows one at the bottom of each page, if you activated it in the i18n tab and when more than one language is active 09:55 wahanui language chooser is really an important element and browser detection not a good way to do it 09:55 zorky what language chooser? 09:55 kf to switch to danish before you deactiated it? 09:55 kf did you use the language chooser? 09:55 zorky yes 09:55 kf you deactivated english? 09:55 kf it might be the cookie 09:54 zorky still in english 09:53 magnuse at least not to day 09:53 magnuse nope :-) 09:53 kf magnuse: are you volunteering? ;) 09:52 magnuse hm, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client needs to be updated 09:51 magnuse all the .po files go in the same folder 09:50 magnuse no, replace the ones that are there 09:50 zorky there is allrdy danish po files in the misc/translator/po folder. do i have to make a da-DK folder to put them in? 09:48 zorky ahh 09:46 kf there were a gazillion changes and additions since then 09:46 kf 3.2 would be horrible 09:46 kf just might be there are stillsome strings missing 09:46 zorky okay :P 09:46 kf no 3.10 09:46 zorky so the best i should do is to use the 3.2? 09:46 zorky ahh 09:45 kf they should still be working 09:45 kf because they get updated for each current 3.10.x release and you are a bit behind 09:45 magnuse http://translate.koha-community.org/da/310/ 09:44 kf zorky: you want 3.10 - but those will not exactly match your version 09:44 magnuse no, the instructions here are wrong: http://koha.dk/?p=installation-af-ekstra-sprog 09:44 zorky so which version of the language packs do i need? 09:44 zorky okay 09:43 kf all 4 even I think 09:43 rangi yes 09:43 rangi then run your translate install command again 09:43 zorky all of the 3 files? 09:43 zorky then www.koha.dk is not working then 09:43 magnuse /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ 09:43 zorky ohh 09:43 rangi you need to put them in the misc/translator/po 09:42 rangi that wont work 09:42 zorky and 09:42 zorky into the usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/da-DK 09:41 rangi where did you put the .po files when you downloaded them? 09:41 zorky no i didn't` 09:41 zorky but im using the 3.10 language pack from the translate page. do i need to use 3.2 instead? 09:41 magnuse and did you choose it in the language chooser at the bottom of the page? 09:41 magnuse ah, ok 09:40 zorky i activated the danish under more > administration > I18N/L10N 09:40 magnuse Home › Administration › System preferences > I18N/L10N 09:40 magnuse also you have to activate danish if it has not been installed before 09:39 magnuse zorky: is there a language chooser at the bottom of the page? 09:39 magnuse yeah, i was just thinking that 09:39 rangi not in 3.10.2 it might not have been 09:39 magnuse http://translate.koha-community.org/da/ says the 3.10 translation is complete 09:39 zorky it's still in english 09:38 magnuse yup, it should 09:37 zorky shouldn't the interface where i set the language and such. be translated to danish? 09:36 kf so one is for the library users, one is for the staff users 09:36 kf the librarians use the admin, there is only the admin :) 09:36 zorky ahh 09:36 kf user = patrons in the library, searching books, placing holds etc. 09:36 zorky 3.10.02.000 09:36 kf zorky: those are the same 09:35 magnuse zorky: that depends on how the installation is set up 09:35 kf zorky: can you check the version for koha installed? in more > about? 09:35 zorky so the one that the librarian needs to use to lend books. is 8001. and the intranet = admin site is 8000? 09:35 kf magnuse: hm but it should be if he used the files from pootle 09:33 magnuse that would happen if the translation is not complete 09:32 zorky half of it seems to be in english 09:32 zorky but 09:32 zorky so i think i changed it to danish 09:29 magnuse we never settled on one name for that, i think 09:29 magnuse intranet = admin 09:29 zorky the intranet the admin one? 09:27 magnuse ah, cool 09:27 zorky It's a independent school that uses it :) 09:27 kf zorky: the admin interface is also the librarian's interface - so there are only 2 things. opac for the user and staff interface 09:26 magnuse one public and one for admin 09:26 magnuse zorky: have a look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/biblioteket (eller Biblioteket) - that should show you two different sites 09:26 magnuse zorky: would you mind telling us where you are using koha? i'm just curious about koha in the nordic area... :-) 09:25 zorky now, here comes another problem. whenever i connect to the koha site. i type localhost:8001 and login with the credentials i got handed to me. which is the admin user. but i can't find anything resembling some sort of admin interface where i can control anything 09:25 magnuse yay 09:24 zorky it continued 09:24 rangi depends, if it continued on and did the rest then no, if it stopped at that point then yes 09:24 magnuse i think it means that one string was skipped 09:22 zorky so it's nothing to worry about 09:22 rangi yes the translator made a mistake 09:22 zorky this is what it said. dunno if thats regarding the danish package? 09:21 zorky http://pastebin.com/VbNvnEaE 09:21 zorky it's done 09:20 magnuse i saw it and thought it might be up to no good, but then forgot about it again... 09:20 zorky yeah i know :P just didn't see the big B :P 09:20 kf if you want to see what it's thinking add -v next time :) 09:20 magnuse yay rangi++ 09:20 rangi linux is case sensitive :) 09:20 rangi that means its working 09:20 zorky it's thinking :P 09:19 rangi not Biblioteket 09:19 rangi so try the command magnuse gave you, but with biblioteket 09:19 kf rangi++ :) 09:19 rangi not B 09:19 rangi its b 09:19 rangi there your problem 09:18 zorky -rw-r----- 1 root biblioteket-koha 12125 jan 15 13:53 /etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml 09:18 rangi tell you 09:18 rangi what does ls -l /etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml 09:18 kf because they will exactly match your version 09:17 kf ideally you should be using th efiles that came with the installation 09:17 zorky http://translate.koha-community.org/da/310/ 09:17 kf you can see your kohaversion in more > about 09:17 zorky but there is 4 of them on the translate page 09:17 zorky im using the 3.10 po files 09:17 zorky no, not that i know of 09:17 kf i mean are you only using the newer po files? or is your installation 3.10? 09:17 kf did you update? 09:17 kf 3.10 should be fine 09:16 zorky can this be something to do with. me trying to use 3.10? 09:15 wahanui magnuse is a Norwegian giant. 09:15 kf hm magnuse? 09:15 kf yes 09:15 zorky just to be sure. i have to run this command form the translator folder right? 09:14 zorky still same error 09:14 kf not sure 09:14 kf maybe kill the trailing /? 09:14 zorky sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK 09:13 zorky i copied what magnuse wrote 09:13 kf maybe some typo? 09:13 kf t /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Context.pm 09:13 wahanui Hmm. No matches for that, kf. 09:13 kf hm there are 2 // 09:12 zorky yes 09:12 magnuse does /etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml exist? 09:12 magnuse huh? 09:09 zorky Can't call method "config" on an undefined value at LangInstaller.pm line 48. 09:09 zorky unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Context.pm line 360. 09:09 zorky unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Context.pm line 360. 09:09 magnuse probably not ;-) 09:09 zorky i ran that command magnuse told me to. from the /usr/share/koha/misc/translator and i get this error 09:08 zorky i think i might be stupid 09:08 magnuse and i have norwegian and sewdish installed that way :-) 09:07 kf zorky: fwiw - in the upcoming 3.12 there will be nicer commands for doing it, but when you do as magnuse says it will work fine for you now, we have German isntalled that way 09:06 magnuse no, you have to set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB in the same command as "sudo translate..." 09:06 zorky • sudo ./translate install da-DK 09:06 zorky • export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib 09:06 zorky • export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml 09:06 zorky • cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/ 09:06 magnuse so this should do it: sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK 09:05 zorky so doing it like this 09:05 magnuse yeah, use the right language code at the end there 09:05 magnuse you have to run the translate script with sudo, so exporting variables as your regular user will not help 09:05 kf better change somethings... or you end up with norwegian ;) 09:04 magnuse sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/demo/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install nb-NO 09:04 zorky so the export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml would be export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml ? 09:04 magnuse cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/ 09:04 magnuse you have to do: 09:04 kf zorky: but package installation is good news 09:03 zorky found the correct xml file 09:03 magnuse let me find the right incantations for you 09:03 magnuse ah, that is your instance then 09:02 zorky the ls /etc/koha/sites give me a folder call'd Biblioteket 09:02 zorky but i think it might be form a package of some sort 09:02 kf guess the question is whatyou have in ..sites then :) 09:02 magnuse does "ls /etc/koha/sites/" give you anything? 09:01 magnuse ah, fun 09:01 zorky tbh, i have no idea. i got told to change the language on koha. the guy that installed it are no longer reachable 09:00 magnuse where <instancename> = the name you gave your instance when you ran koha-create 09:00 magnuse koha-conf.xml should be in /etc/koha/sites/<instancename>/koha-conf.xml 08:59 magnuse zorky: did you create an instance with koha-create? 08:59 kf magnuse: can yo hint on the right paths for packages? 08:59 kf did you use the packages? 08:59 magnuse ah, that is a package install then 08:59 zorky magnuse: gimme a sec 08:59 kf yes, because your installation is differnt 08:59 zorky koha-conf-site.xml.in is the only file in /etc/koha 08:58 magnuse zorky: how did you install? 08:58 kf how did you install koha? 08:57 zorky but instead of the koha-conf.xml i have something else 08:57 kf those are the paths for a standard installatin using tarballs 08:57 kf it depends how you installed koha, where those files will be 08:57 zorky yeah 08:57 kf export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib 08:57 kf zorky: i think you might have wrong paths here: 08:57 magnuse the blog posts have dates, but no years... 08:57 magnuse :-) 08:57 kf he seemed nice :) 08:56 kf i think i mailed with him in german once 08:56 magnuse i think someone called Lars Helbo has done a lot of work on it - looks like he is behind the website too 08:56 kf you have a problem with your environment variables 08:56 zorky theres the error it gave me after i ran the install command 08:56 zorky http://pastebin.com/LwwptNTs 08:55 kf http://translate.koha-community.org/da/ 08:55 kf danish looks pretty well maintained on pootle :) 08:54 kf to show us :) 08:54 zorky 2 sec need to ssh into the computer to ru nthe command again 08:54 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org 08:54 kf paste? 08:54 kf you can use paste? 08:54 kf what was the error? 08:54 zorky after i ran the sudo ./translate install da-DK i got a error 08:54 kf what kind of errors do you see? it's possible the po files for danish have problems or are a bit outdated 08:54 kf but the blog is not wrong about those it seems hm. 08:53 kf you will find those on the i18n tab in system preferences 08:53 kf opaclanguage language and something named languagechooser or similar 08:53 magnuse huh, there is a danish koha website? 08:53 kf then there are system preferences for turning on/off languages 08:52 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client 08:52 kf that is done on the command line 08:52 kf first you need to install the language 08:52 zorky there. it's in danish tho 08:52 zorky http://koha.dk/?p=installation-af-ekstra-sprog 08:52 amitgupta_ heya kf 08:52 kf zorky: give me a minute - I will have to find the link myself hten :) 08:51 zorky no , change the english to only danish. so danish is the only language 08:51 wahanui languages are just tools, you should pick the right one for the right job 08:51 kf languages? 08:51 kf additional languages? 08:51 kf hm i thought i told the bot 08:51 kf add additional languages? 08:51 zorky i need to change the language from english to danish. but when i followed the guide presented on the danish site for koha. i got errors, and the file that it says it want, dosent exist 08:50 kf but it's still kind of a quiet time of the day for koha 08:50 kf ask your question - if someone can help they will speak up 08:49 zorky Hello, anyone here who can help me with a problem regarding koha? 08:13 amitgupta_ heya bag 07:38 wahanui thanks kf :) 07:38 kf wahanui botsnack germs 07:38 wahanui it has been said that germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg 07:38 huginn` GERMS!!!! 07:34 wahanui salut, gaetan_B 07:34 gaetan_B hello 07:12 dcook Good day/night, everyone 07:12 dcook Alas, no time. Tomorrow 07:06 dcook Ack...gotta head out...but want to post z39.50 authority search patch... 07:00 dcook hey ya asaurat 07:00 asaurat hi 06:51 christophe_c hello #koha 06:50 jajm hello 06:42 alex_a and cait 06:42 alex_a bonjour magnuse dcook 06:38 magnuse bonjour alex_a reiveune 06:35 dcook salut alex_a,reiveune 06:35 reiveune hello 06:34 alex_a bonjour 06:34 cait making another test run now with data in old_reserves 06:34 cait so far it looks good 06:33 magnuse cait++ 06:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10185 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase.pl remove all reserves 06:19 * cait starts retesting bug 10185 06:16 magnuse cait: yay! 06:16 cait magnuse: in general :) 06:14 * dcook thinks that a lot of Z39.50.pm might be deprecated... 06:11 magnuse pragmatic librarians? 06:11 magnuse bgkriegel++ 06:11 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 13.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 06:11 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:11 cait hi magnuse:) 06:10 magnuse kia ora cait! 06:10 magnuse relatively speaking 06:10 cait pragmatic_librarians++ 06:10 magnuse nah, everything is relative 06:10 magnuse hehe 06:09 dcook Perhaps a bit chillier than here. Maybe I should stop whingeing 06:09 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 6.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). 06:09 magnuse @wunder boo 06:09 magnuse g'day mate! 06:08 dcook hey magnuse :) 06:08 * magnuse waves 06:05 tweetbot [off] twitter: @Malebopo: "“@ByWaterSolution: Free Ebooks for your Koha Catalog http://t.co/R5TEuozmB6 #KohaILS†cc @chimxy" 06:04 * dcook thinks that looking through every sub that references a table (z3950servers) is awfully tiresome, but perhaps necessary 06:04 dcook If anyone is around, any advice on adding columns to the database? 05:49 dcook Lies. The office feels freezing... 05:49 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (3:30 PM EST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 05:49 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 04:36 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. 04:36 mtompset And seeing as my library colleague is likely on lunch, I think I'll go to bed now. 04:36 mtompset It's 12:35AM (just after midnight). :) 04:35 mtompset It hasn't, depending on your time zone. :P 04:33 * dcook wonders when it becam 2:33pm... 04:31 cait bgkriegel++ 04:31 cait yuo had a short meeting 04:30 cait ah ok 04:26 eythian yep. 04:25 cait is it me being tired or you 2 being silly? 04:23 eythian those workers of ill! 04:21 wizzyrea command of english, I has it. 04:21 wizzyrea thieves* 04:21 * wizzyrea giggles at the bed thiefs. 04:19 mtompset Oh well. I was in another meeting. Data conversion. :) 04:18 cait ah, no problem then 04:18 eythian cait: no, INTERCAL. 04:18 cait or something else severe or crazy? 04:18 cait did you decide to rewrite koha in java? 04:17 eythian mtompset: yes 04:17 mtompset Did I miss the meeting? 04:17 eythian ah 04:17 eythian that's pretty mean 04:17 eythian someone stole your bed? 04:17 cait they make noise outside taking the garbage - and it's 6 04:17 cait i can't 04:16 wahanui go back to bed, cait. 04:16 eythian wahanui: cait 04:16 wahanui cait is qam, not your secretary 04:16 eythian wahanui: cait 04:16 eythian I really need a marccat and marcgrep for searching through and displaying specific tags in marc files when analysing data. 02:51 wizzyrea kek 02:50 eythian s/neat/mouf/ ? 02:50 wizzyrea ^ you see my kansas thar 02:50 wizzyrea preety 02:50 wizzyrea hey that's preety neat actually 02:49 wizzyrea good night jwagner 02:48 jwagner good night everyone.... 02:48 trea well, that's certainly something 02:46 eythian http://natlib.govt.nz/blog/posts/the-turnbull-mixtape-mixes-again <-- wizzyrea et al 02:45 wizzyrea har de har 02:45 eythian that's why they call it a drought 02:45 wizzyrea and like, two months with no measurable rain, that apparently never ever ever happens 02:44 eythian yeah 02:44 wizzyrea the rest somewhere around 20-25 02:44 wizzyrea we topped 30 I think two days here? 02:43 eythian that's not unreasonable 02:42 jwagner probably.... 02:42 * wizzyrea expects next summer will be miseralble, because this one was just so great 02:42 jwagner OK, will factor that in. Thanks 02:42 BobB statistically, you are likely to be there on the wrong day :) 02:41 eythian statistically, most likely to be January. 02:41 jwagner Looking at possibly December or January -- which is likeliest to have the best weather? 02:41 BobB ..on a good day! :) 02:41 wizzyrea eythian would know, he's from there. 02:41 eythian jan itself can be a bit temperamental. 02:40 eythian no, late jan, early feb is the warmest. Up to about 35° in the warmer parts down south 02:39 jwagner OK, thanks 02:39 BobB jwagner January is a warm as it gets in NZ. Mind you, in south Island, that still may not be very warm 02:39 mtj bad news is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_News_(band) 02:39 wizzyrea lateish summer 02:39 trea January is summer. 02:38 jwagner Is January still spring, or is that considered summer, esp in South Island? 02:38 wizzyrea lol. 02:38 wahanui bad news is that you're probably royally screwed 02:38 wizzyrea bad news. 02:38 jwagner Got a question for the New Zealanders on the list.... 02:38 jcamins The bad news is that I'm going to demand that wizzyrea chair every meeting I attend. 02:38 jcamins No. 02:38 BobB Thanks everyone 02:38 wahanui i guess bad news is that you're probably royally screwed 02:38 jcamins wizzyrea: bad news. 02:38 BobB Thanks wizzyrea, well done 02:38 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting__7_may_2013.2013-05-07-02.04.log.html 02:38 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting__7_may_2013.2013-05-07-02.04.txt 02:38 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting__7_may_2013.2013-05-07-02.04.html 02:38 huginn` Meeting ended Tue May 7 02:38:07 2013 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 02:38 mtj ...and thank *you* for chairing wizzyrea ++ 02:38 wizzyrea #endmeeting 02:38 wizzyrea have a lovely rest of your day/night 02:38 wizzyrea Minutes will be available on the wiki 02:37 mtj #info next meeting is at 1800 UTC 5 june 02:37 wizzyrea well I thank you all for your participation in today's gathering of community minded people 02:37 wizzyrea okie dokie 02:36 BobB :) 02:36 jcamins And it'll be the middle of the day here. 02:36 jcamins BobB: no worries, I probably will be too. 02:36 wizzyrea that seems fair 02:35 wizzyrea bobb - if you want, you could leave your apology with your vote on the wiki 02:35 BobB err, that will be 4am in Sydney - I reckon I'll be an apology 02:35 wizzyrea #agreed we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised. 02:35 wahanui anything else is a guess 02:35 wizzyrea anything else? 02:34 wizzyrea right, next meeting is at 1800 UTC 5 june 02:34 jcamins My left hand was a key over. 02:34 jcamins No, you were right. 02:34 jcamins 5 June, yes. 02:34 wizzyrea 6 june even. 02:34 jcamins 6 June 2013, 18:00 UTC 02:34 wizzyrea it's going to be June 5, 1800 UTC? is my math 02:33 jcamins First Wednesday at... 18:00 UTC? 02:33 * BobB didn't know that 02:32 mtj ah, #agreed only works for chair… :/ 02:32 wizzyrea so time to set the time for the next meeting 02:31 jcamins *from 02:31 wizzyrea yep, I'm not seeing much of anything there really 02:31 jcamins I don't see any actions for last meeting. 02:31 mtj (meetbot command is #agreed) 02:30 mtj #agreed we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised. 02:30 wizzyrea next up - things from last meeting 02:30 wizzyrea #decided we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised. 02:29 wizzyrea lol. 02:29 mtj erm, +1 :) 02:29 wizzyrea anyone else? 02:28 druthb +1 02:28 dcook +1 02:28 jwagner +1 02:28 BobB postpone to next meeting +1 02:28 jcamins +1 02:28 wizzyrea ? 02:28 wizzyrea Can we agree to postpone this question to the next meeting, or set up an alternative voting mechanism 02:27 dcook wizzyrea: Agreed 02:27 jcamins Yeah... 02:26 jcamins wizzyrea: especially since we're all just going to abstain? 02:26 BobB :) 02:26 dcook BobB: I think I'll be going AC but thanks :) 02:26 wizzyrea I'm not certain I feel comfortable voting on this with so few 02:26 BobB dcook QF has a sale on - get cracking 02:26 wizzyrea #topic Vote on proposal to increment major version number for every feature release after 3.14 Pi 02:26 * dcook still has to book flights/rooms... 02:25 dcook Mmm, good question 02:25 BobB cool, thx 02:25 wizzyrea I would pose that to the list bobb, none of the kohacon people seem to be here 02:24 BobB Is there a deadline for booking rooms, to help get the free A-V etc? 02:24 wizzyrea right then 02:24 wizzyrea last I heard things were ticking along nicely 02:23 wizzyrea is anyone here who can give an update? 02:23 wizzyrea #topic Kohacon2013 02:23 jcamins #info If the QA team is interested in working on patches for 3.14, that would not be a problem for the 3.12 release. Just set the target release version to 3.14 and get to QAing! 02:23 wizzyrea onwards 02:23 wizzyrea and bravo to everybody for all of their work 02:23 wizzyrea Thanks jcamins for all of his hard work 02:23 druthb wizzyrea++ 02:22 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw 02:22 wizzyrea Right, then we are in the final countdown to 3.12 - I'm looking forward to it 02:22 jcamins Before we move on to Kohacon2013, I have something about 3.14. 02:22 wizzyrea anything else anyone would like to bring up regarding 3.12 02:21 wizzyrea (specifically, multi branches with transfers) 02:21 BobB #action Test the Reserves functionality 02:21 jcamins Owen has been checking for regressions in the OPAC due to the patron self-registration, but more eyes make all bugs shallow. 02:20 wizzyrea Hourly loans seems decently stable finally 02:20 jcamins We're definitely still seeing problems in reserves, so concerted testing would be a very good thing. 02:20 jcamins Yeah, good call. 02:19 dcook #info David Cook, Prosentient Systems, Australia 02:19 wizzyrea 3.10 had a hold queue rewrite that is causing some issues, it might be worth going over reserves 02:19 jcamins let me check the release notes. 02:19 jcamins And... 02:19 jcamins I'd love to see more testing in search, because of the QueryParser work, and Acquisitions has seen a lot of flux in this latest release cycle as well. 02:18 wizzyrea areas with massive change that really need some going over? 02:18 jcamins Hmmm... 02:18 wizzyrea in terms of testing? 02:18 wizzyrea are there specific areas that you feel ought to be focussed on? 02:17 jcamins Any questions? 02:17 jcamins #action Test all the things! 02:17 jcamins No, that's wrong. 02:17 jcamins #todo Test all the things! 02:17 jcamins 3.12 seems pretty stable, but there are lots of bugs that could use fixing, and there is a desperate need for more testing. 02:16 jcamins And I think that's about it. 02:16 jcamins Anything that I decline to push to 3.12 will be bumped back to 3.14 for gmcharlt to push to master. 02:16 jcamins Any bugfixes that do not make any string changes are candidates for 3.12.0, though obviously I will not push anything that seems dangerous. 02:15 jcamins #info I plan on releasing one more beta and at least one Release Candidate prior to May 22, subject to the number of applicable bugfixes that are written, signed off, and passed QA. 02:15 wahanui everybody is so enthusiastic today :) 02:15 wizzyrea and everybody 02:15 cjh 399 bugfixes is impressive 02:15 wizzyrea yep, jcamins++ 02:15 cjh awesome work everyone 02:15 BobB Wow, that's huge 02:14 jcamins Since then I have pushed several more bugfixes, with more yet to come. 02:14 jcamins #info As of beta3, Koha 3.12 had 21 features, 159 enhancements and 399 bugfixes 02:14 wizzyrea ? 02:14 wizzyrea how are you feeling generally about 3.12 02:13 jcamins #info Translation updates will be pulled from Pootle on or about May 19, so get your translations finished before then. 02:13 jcamins #info Koha 3.12.0 will be released on or about May 22. 02:13 wahanui somebody said jcamins was brilliant 02:13 wizzyrea jcamins? 02:13 wizzyrea k, and rangi is not here so - on to the 3.12 updates 02:12 cjh wizzyrea: sorry, was distracted. 3.8 isnt mine yet afaik. 02:12 cjh #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, NZ 02:12 wizzyrea (if you're about) 02:12 wizzyrea cjh, do you have anything to note regarding 3.8? 02:12 BobB #info Formal thanks to Ruth for excellent work as outgoing Koha Translation Manager 02:12 wizzyrea #topic Updates on currently maintained releases 02:12 BobB we are eight (plus Wahanui) I reckon that's a quorum 02:11 wizzyrea Right, so updates 02:11 wizzyrea #decided Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as 3.14 Translation Manager 02:11 jcamins Agreed. 02:11 wizzyrea HOWEVER. I think it doesn't matter for this particular vote. 02:10 wizzyrea because that's not a lot of people and this meeting was not well advertised. 02:10 wizzyrea :P 02:10 * wizzyrea offhandedly wonders if we need to define the corpus necessary to create a quorum 02:10 * druthb presses the "easy" button. 02:10 BobB +1 02:09 eythian +1 02:09 druthb +1 02:09 wizzyrea +1 02:09 jcamins +1 02:09 wizzyrea Ok, all in favor of electing bgkriegel (Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel) TM for 3.14 subject to his acceptance of the role, please +1 02:09 jcamins wizzyrea: he added himself to the docket and sent an e-mail outlining his platform, so I think we can move forward. 02:09 druthb BobB++ 02:08 wizzyrea There we go I like that 02:08 BobB We could elect him subject to his acceptance 02:08 mtj #info -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_May_2013 02:08 wizzyrea I feel weird having a vote to elect him when he's not around 02:08 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ 02:08 druthb bgkriegel++ 02:08 wizzyrea bgkriegel, about? 02:08 jcamins #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14 02:07 wizzyrea Right, do we have any candidates? 02:07 jcamins The only person who put a name forward was Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel (bgkriegel). 02:07 wizzyrea #topic Discussion on candidates to be the 3.14 Translation Manager 02:07 wizzyrea #Discussion on candidates to be the 3.14 Translation Manager 02:07 wizzyrea Right 02:07 wizzyrea going twice 02:07 wizzyrea going once 02:06 wizzyrea does anyone have any? 02:06 wizzyrea #topic Announcements 02:06 mtj ooh, could be a quicky 02:06 BobB hi mtj 02:06 * mtj waves to all 02:06 wizzyrea anyone else? 02:06 mtj #info Mason James, NZ 02:05 trea #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions 02:05 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia 02:05 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 02:05 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT, NZ 02:05 jcamins #info jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services; RM for 3.12 02:05 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, TM 3.12 02:05 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 02:05 jcamins #topic Introductions 02:05 wizzyrea there we go, please introduce yourselves using #info 02:05 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_irc_meeting__7_may_2013' 02:05 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 02:05 huginn` Meeting started Tue May 7 02:04:54 2013 UTC. The chair is wizzyrea. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:04 wizzyrea #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013 02:04 jcamins I think it's: #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013 02:04 jwagner jcamins, did you make enough for EVERYONE? 02:04 BobB burnt cookies -1 02:04 wizzyrea if someone will remind me how to work the bot 02:04 jcamins Also, the cookies aren't done yet. 02:04 BobB RM should not have to chair 02:04 BobB wizzyrea +1 02:03 jcamins Yes please. :) 02:03 wizzyrea I'll chair if you want 02:03 BobB :) 02:03 jcamins Warning: I want to go to bed in twenty minutes. 02:03 wizzyrea oh, no, bobb I'm the dumb one 02:03 jcamins Fine, I'll take out the cookies and I'll chair. 02:03 BobB Oh. Not big oops. 02:03 jwagner I was looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings 02:03 jcamins That is right now. 02:02 BobB Oh. Big oops! 02:02 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_May_2013 02:02 wizzyrea tomorrow for us I think bobb 02:02 wizzyrea 7 may 2 utc 02:02 BobB Hi Jane. This time is in my diary 02:01 jwagner There hasn't been any agenda linked from the wiki page. Is this really the right time? 02:01 druthb not it! 02:01 * BobB smiles and waves back 02:01 jcamins I will not be chairing as -- other than when I'm talking -- I will be putting away cookies. 02:01 * druthb waves to BobB 02:01 BobB yep 02:00 jcamins Looks like it's time for a meeting. 02:00 BobB hello 01:07 druthb I'll be back shortly. 01:06 cjh oh wow, there is an irc meeting soon :) 01:05 dcook Huh, it is May after all.. 01:05 dcook Really? 01:04 jcamins Huh. 01:04 druthb looks like, anyway. 01:03 druthb mhm 01:03 jcamins Wait, there's a meeting? 01:02 druthb Meeting in an hour? 00:45 jcamins Yeah, that's my plan. 00:44 dcook I know that my list is incomplete as well, but I plan to revisit it again at some point 00:44 dcook Iterative listing? 00:41 jcamins So this list is going to woefully incomplete. 00:40 jcamins Probably I did. 00:40 jcamins A lot of these titles are familiar, but I don't remember if I read them. 00:37 dcook Turn it into a part of the nightly routine? ;) 00:36 dcook I was just saying that the more people take up Goodreads and the more they rate/mark books, the more utility the site has for the individual 00:36 jcamins I think I'm going to run out of energy by the time I get to the end of "Best Children's Historical Fiction." 00:36 * dcook thinks jcamins should track all his reads then share his url ;) 00:35 jcamins I read a lot of these books. 00:35 jcamins Wow. 00:32 jcamins I was traumatized by that book. 00:32 jcamins Johnny Tremain. 00:32 dcook hehe 00:32 cjh heh 00:31 jcamins Heh. I've read just about all the children's historical fiction. 00:31 jcamins He realized that he hadn't killed off enough of the Forsaken, and it became silly. 00:30 cjh I have only read up to book 5 or so, planning to try read through them again 'some day' 00:30 jcamins cjh: I got bored by the end. 00:30 dcook But I left a little note in Goodreads telling me the page I'm on for when I finally get it from the next library 00:30 jcamins Wait... this interface is different here. 00:30 cjh jcamins: did you not like the later wheel of time books? :o 00:30 dcook Only read 106 pages before I had to take it back 00:30 dcook back in Vancouver 00:30 dcook For instance, I borrowed 1Q84 fromt he public library 00:30 jcamins Meh. I'll rate. 00:29 dcook I find it useful for little notes as well 00:29 dcook one less click ;) 00:29 dcook But if you rank, it assumes you've read it, and you can go to the next item in a list 00:29 dcook Like, you have to choose the "read" options from a list 00:29 dcook I think rating can sometimes make the process faster though 00:28 dcook I only occasionally rate or review 00:28 jcamins Hm. 00:28 dcook You can do "read", "reading", "want to read" 00:28 dcook Yep. That works 00:28 jcamins What if I don't want to rate, just check off? 00:27 dcook I've fallen behind on my use of it over the past few months, but it's pretty handy 00:27 jcamins Maybe not. 00:27 jcamins I think. 00:26 jcamins I have an account. 00:26 jcamins Maybe I should try. 00:26 jcamins I do not. 00:25 dcook While I'm sure I've missed some books that I've read, I was amazed at how many from my past I was able to suddenly remember (and then track) 00:25 dcook jcamins: Do you use Goodreads? 00:25 jcamins It sure is. I'd love to know how many words/pages I've read in my life, but I can't even keep track of how much I read this year. 00:23 dcook That's a lot of book 00:22 jcamins That's impressive. 00:22 jcamins Or 2.84 million words. 00:21 jcamins Okay, only 7715 pages. 00:20 jcamins But that took, what, 30k pages? 00:20 dcook What's the definition of insanity again.. 00:20 jcamins Like Wheel of Time. 00:20 dcook hehe 00:20 jcamins Eventually I give up. 00:20 jcamins I will slog through excessive numbers of sequels to my favorite books, and I am disappointed, every time. 00:19 cjh trea++ 00:19 jcamins This is a theme with me. 00:19 wizzyrea trea is a fan of Ender's Game too 00:19 jcamins I read all the sequels to Ender's Game as well. 00:19 dcook Loved Ender's Game as well, although never read any sequels 00:18 dcook So good 00:17 jcamins I loved Ender's Game. 00:17 cjh there is an Ender's game movie coming out soon, have to try read the book before then :p 00:17 wizzyrea heh yea. 00:16 jcamins I didn't like Speaker for the Dead, either. 00:16 cjh [off] more ML fun? 00:16 wizzyrea ... a untarred folder owned by koha in / causes an upgrade. 00:14 cjh I really want to try finish the 3rd and 4th, but it is starting to feel like a chore so they may end up on the 'some day' (hint: never) list. 00:13 jcamins cjh: nope. 00:13 cjh jcamins: so none compare to the first? 00:13 dcook Yeah, I had a middle school friend who read a few by the successors. I think I would stop after the originals 00:13 dcook hehe 00:13 jcamins (hint: no) 00:13 jcamins I kept on telling myself "surely the next one will be good." 00:12 jcamins It was painful. 00:12 cjh xD 00:12 jcamins cjh: all the ones written by Frank Herbert, and a few by his successors. 00:12 cjh jcamins: did you read any of the later books in the series? 00:12 cjh I seem to be failing to find their most popular list, I can only find it by month or year. 00:11 jcamins I love Dune. 00:10 dcook Not sure that I'm digging Murakami, but willing to give him a chance 00:10 dcook I'm only about 100 pages in.. 00:10 dcook Still need to read 1Q84... 00:09 dcook Dune, lol 00:09 dcook What's the book at #1 on the list? 00:09 cjh :) 00:09 dcook Just added Human Is? :D 00:08 * cjh adds The Beach to goodreads list 00:05 dcook Just picked up Alex Garland's The Beach, so I might have to re-visit PKD for a catch up when I'm done 00:04 dcook I'll have to give it a read :) 00:04 cjh for me it is probably the most memorable 00:03 cjh beyond lies the wub was his first published, and it is still quite fun :) 00:02 cjh http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/d#a33399 00:02 dcook Oooh.. 00:02 cjh IIRC quite a few of his short stories are on project gutenberg 00:02 dcook Fortunately, I got to read it in a class where we read the book then watched Blade Runner and chatted about it for hours 00:01 dcook Mmm, same 00:01 cjh havent read Ubik, I loved electric sheep :) 00:01 dcook :D 00:01 cjh I started by picking up a copy of "Human is?" which is a collection of his short stories, the goal to read 'all' his books still continues. 00:01 dcook </rant> 00:01 dcook I wonder if the first Matrix film would even exist if it weren't for PKD 00:00 dcook The Man in the High Castle though... 00:00 dcook Also...not a big fan of Ubik :p 00:00 dcook As for the short stories...I don't think I've read any except Minority Report