Time Nick Message 00:18 dcook Hey ya druthb :) 00:19 druthb Hi, dcook! 00:20 dcook How're things? 00:20 druthb perkin' along! You? 00:22 dcook No complaints here. Working on getting Prosentient's code more in line with the community, so I'm quite pleased ^_^ 00:22 dcook [off] Not happy with government departments encouraging poor email security practices though... 00:32 jcamins eythian: yeah, that'd do it too, but since I'm not going to be the one taking on that task, and we're volunteer-driven, NOMAIL seems the more effective option. 00:33 eythian Not really, it would make the S/N ratio even worse. 00:35 jcamins eythian: that assumes that I contribute to the signal more than the noise... 00:36 jcamins It troubles me that my backup of ~5GB of data is taking ages. 00:36 jcamins druthb: I'll probably be asking you to update the strings in Pootle Thursday morning-ish. Sound good? 00:36 druthb Just fine-ish! :D 00:38 jcamins Well- I'll ask you to update the strings tomorrow evening, but it'll be evening so I figure that'll translate to updating Thursday morning. 00:40 bgkriegel jcamins: any chance for bug 6709? 00:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6709 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Passed QA , marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated. 00:41 jcamins bgkriegel: everything that has passed QA by 6am tomorrow will go in before string freeze. 00:41 jcamins That is, the strings will not be frozen before they go in. 00:42 bgkriegel good :-) 00:43 jcamins ... the world is a weird place. 00:47 dcook bgkriegel: Do you know if any of your changes might impact bug 10141 00:47 dcook ? 00:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10141 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Enable "18-21 Illustrations" and "24-27 Nature of contents" options for marc21_field_008.pl plugin 00:47 jcamins My instinct is "yes, very much." 00:48 bgkriegel looking 00:49 bgkriegel the information in xml is the same, only different structure 00:51 dcook Right. Hmm. I don't know if it will make too much of a difference 00:51 dcook the 18-21 and 24-27 positions will need some sort of option picker rather than a drop-down 00:52 bgkriegel the display is made with JS. the file is fully parsed, all data available. problem is how to show it 00:52 bgkriegel and allow correct selection 00:52 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha bugzilla statistics for April 2013 http://t.co/pY90NbMhFg" 00:53 jcamins Whoah, nice! I failed very few patches! 00:55 jcamins (I consider this a great success) 00:56 dcook bgkriegel: Agreed. Admittedly, I'm not quite sure how that works with the marc21_field_008.pl file :/ 00:56 bgkriegel have anyone tried bug 7419. really don't know how to test it (my problem is the syntax) 00:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script 00:57 bgkriegel dcook: all the magic is on marc21_field_008.tt 00:57 jcamins bgkriegel: I would like to test it again, but not recently. 01:00 mtj meh, anyone bumped into 'Batch item modification - Too many items!' before? 01:01 jcamins mtj: wow, how many items? 01:01 bgkriegel dcook: sorry, look at prog/en/js/xmlControlfield.js 01:01 mtj jcamins, well - 5000-ish 01:01 jcamins mtj: huh. That doesn't seem like it should be too many. 01:02 jcamins Oh, wait. 01:02 mtj the full error was... 01:02 jcamins It's not too many items, it's that the list is too large to display. 01:02 jcamins That makes sense. 01:02 mtj Batch item modification - Too many items (5197): not displaying each one individually. 01:02 mtj Return to batch item modification 01:02 dcook bgkriegel: Thanks. Yeah, I'm looking at that on your patch 01:02 dcook I'll have to take another look when I look at making a fix 01:03 mtj no probs for not displaying that giant list - but theres no functionality also :/ 01:03 jcamins Hm. 01:03 jcamins I should do a mockup of the "download for offline" screen. 01:05 jcamins mtj: definitely sounds like a bug. 01:05 mtj fyi, 1000 barcodes works - 5000 barcodes doesnt... 01:05 jcamins What would the download for offline screen look like? 01:05 mtj there just be a hardcoded $fail value , somewhere 01:17 mtj hmm, i need a brainslap here 01:18 mtj /tool/batchMod.pl is asking for a tools/batchMod-edit.tmpl file 01:18 mtj which is an obvious bug 01:18 mtj as, there is no tools/batchMod-edit.tmpl anymore 01:19 mtj there is a ./prog/en/modules/tools/batchMod.tt file - but the script never appears to call it ?! 01:19 jcamins .tmpl => .tt 01:19 jcamins Almost all the scripts refer to .tmpl instead of .tt. 01:20 mtj exactly, so where is the magical s/tmpl/tt/ rewrite happening? 01:20 jcamins C4::Templates, presumably. 01:20 jcamins Somewhere, anyway. Those need to get changed eventually, but aren't a bug by themselves. 01:21 mtj ah, ok - i havent spotted that, till now 01:22 mtj thanks 01:22 jcamins You're welcome. 01:26 dcook mtj: That freaked me out the first time I noticed it 01:27 mtj yeah, i have a wtf moment - for sure 01:27 dcook sub gettemplate 01:27 dcook $tmplbase =~ s/\.tmpl$/.tt/; 01:27 dcook in C4::Templates 01:36 eythian wahanui: television is at http://neave.com/television/ 01:36 wahanui OK, eythian. 01:43 jcamins Hm. I just thought of a problem with the offline circ the way I was envisioning it. 01:43 jcamins How do you make sure that all the transactions uploaded correctly? 01:45 jcamins (not a rhetorical question) 01:49 dcook It is a good question 01:49 * dcook waves to tcohen 01:49 * jcamins knows. He's the one who posed it. :P 01:58 dcook :P 02:27 jcamins It looks like BibLibre decided to record transactions one at a time. 02:41 jcamins o.O 02:41 jcamins Isn't it a bit late, drojf? 02:41 drojf jcamins: it's early ;) 02:41 jcamins Ah. 02:43 drojf i don't know how to expess my appreciation for the "'automatic' upgrade" thread 02:43 eythian "the sound of one hand clapping"? 02:43 drojf hehe 02:44 wizzyrea can someone explain to me how a biblio with "no images attached" returns a 1px image? 02:44 jcamins wizzyrea: "no image" is a 1px transparent image. 02:44 jcamins At the request of oleonard. 02:44 jcamins It's an accessibility thing, I think. 02:44 wizzyrea ah. is that recent? 02:45 jcamins No. 02:45 wizzyrea good. 02:45 wizzyrea thank you 02:45 jcamins It was implemented within a few days of the original functionality. 02:45 wizzyrea all good. :) 02:48 wizzyrea hi bobb, what did you need? 02:49 BobB hi liz, I am about to send you a document, if you can read and comment will be good, thx :) 02:50 wizzyrea okies :) 02:50 BobB I thought you weren't logged in but you are listed as an operator not a user. My reliance on the alphabetical list tripped me up. :) 02:50 jcamins That reminds me. 02:51 jcamins I have to identify with something to get back my ops bit. 02:51 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 02:52 wizzyrea /msg chanserv op #koha jcamins 02:52 wizzyrea ought to do it 02:52 wizzyrea or leave off the nick 02:52 jcamins Yay! 02:52 wizzyrea \o/ 02:53 jcamins Ultimate power! 02:53 wizzyrea confetti! 02:53 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 02:53 eythian I for one welcome our new jcamins overlord. 02:53 eythian wahanui: be jcamins 02:53 wahanui Have some fudge. 02:53 eythian wahanui: be zippy 02:54 wahanui Everywhere I look I see NEGATIVITY and ASPHALT ... 02:54 druthb \o/ 02:54 druthb wahanui: be druthb 02:54 wahanui Harrumph! 02:54 druthb lol 02:54 wizzyrea be wizzyrea 02:54 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism? 02:54 trea >.> 02:54 wizzyrea ^.^ 02:55 wizzyrea see also: self deprecating 02:55 wizzyrea :) 02:55 eythian better than self depreciating. 02:55 wizzyrea that's what women do, unfortunately 02:57 eythian they do their own accounts, and decrease their own value every year? 02:57 * mtompset grins at eythian. 02:58 wizzyrea I'm going to let you think about that 02:58 wizzyrea perhaps not *self* depreciating. 02:58 mtompset Oops... wrong context. I meant for welcoming jcamins as overlord. 02:58 wizzyrea lol :) 02:58 wizzyrea be eythian 02:58 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub! 02:58 * wizzyrea nods 02:58 wizzyrea good plan. 02:59 eythian it does sound like a good plan. 02:59 eythian this proposal thing will write itself, right? 02:59 trea definitely 03:00 trea what could go wrong 03:00 bag always does 03:03 wizzyrea if you're the boss the proposals always happen magically. 03:03 wizzyrea ^.^ 03:04 mtompset What if you are already married? ;) 03:04 wizzyrea lool 03:04 wizzyrea < really laughed 03:04 eythian (she actually did laugh out loud) 03:05 * mtompset is glad to have created laughter in someone's life. :) 03:05 eythian she is not, however, ROFLMAO'ing 03:05 eythian wahanui: roflmao 03:05 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you... 03:05 wizzyrea no ma is still attached. 03:06 eythian wahanui: roflmao is <reply>http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/archive/b/bb/20070502222727!Roflmao.jpg 03:06 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:06 mtompset How is your ma? ;P 03:06 * mtompset chuckles at eythian's URL photo. 03:07 wizzyrea roflmao is also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEWgs6YQR9A 03:07 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 04:24 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. 05:10 * dcook thoroughly enjoys working with git 05:10 dcook Yay for tracking multiple remote repos :D 05:11 cjh welcome, to the fuuuttuuuurrreee 05:19 dcook Glad to be here ;) 05:19 dcook Apparently my new computer is being built at the moment, so hopefully I should have that sometime in the next few days...just in time for the weekend :D 05:32 bag heya dcook 05:32 dcook allo allo bag 05:32 dcook how's your evening? 05:33 bag going alright 05:33 bag figured out a z3950 import issue that was bothering us all for months and months (it was a test system so not a crazy importance) 05:34 bag the servername in the koha-httpd.conf still had 8080 on it :P 05:34 bag hahahahahahahahaha 05:39 cjh lol 05:42 BobB http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/worlds-first-web-page-recreated-20-years-on-20130501-2irul.html 05:56 eythian hi cait 05:56 cait hi eythian 05:56 bag heya cait 05:57 * dcook waves 05:58 cait lots of people here :) 05:58 eythian wahanui: cait 05:58 wahanui cait is qam, not your secretary 05:58 eythian wahanui: cait 05:58 wahanui somebody said cait was qam, not your secretary 05:58 eythian wahanui: cait 05:58 wahanui go back to bed, cait. 05:58 cait heh 05:58 cait it's later than usual today! 05:58 bag HA 05:58 cait we got a holiday today 05:59 cait ts 05:59 cait noone sgned off on bug 10145 *sad* 05:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , The acquisition details block is badly placed 05:59 bag nice what holiday? 05:59 eythian but Koninginnedag was yesterday, and you're in the wrong country anyway 05:59 cait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day 06:00 eythian oh, may day 06:02 cait yeah 06:02 cait may has lots of holidays - 2 more 06:03 bag oh it's not may yet here 06:03 eythian I think we've pretty much run out of holidays until october or so now. 06:05 cait yeah and I still got 4 hours for qa.... 06:06 * dcook someday wants to celebrate his birthday (June 24th) in Quebec 06:06 dcook Saint Jean Baptiste day 06:06 dcook Not a holiday in the rest of Canada 06:06 dcook But it's party central in Quebec ;) 06:06 dcook Or so I'm told... 06:06 bag heh 06:07 bag my birthday usually everyone is partied out - Jan 9th 06:07 bag everyone is like oh damn another party! 06:07 bag heh 06:07 bag but paul_p shares the same day 06:09 dcook hehe 06:09 dcook I wonder if anyone has a birthday during Kohacon.. 06:09 bag let's nominate rangi 06:09 bag he's a good sport 06:19 * cait passes qa on 9957 06:21 cait i love those binary bug numbers 06:21 cait 10111 - longer time now until the next :) 06:32 * magnuse waves 06:32 cait morning magnuse 06:33 magnuse guten morgen cait 06:33 magnuse and congratulations, comrades! 06:37 dcook Woo! First sign off for May! 06:37 * dcook waves to magnuse 06:39 magnuse dcook++ 06:39 magnuse and hiya dcook 06:39 magnuse oh, and cait++ for 4 passed qa in may! 06:39 cait jcamins set a deadline at noon today... 06:39 cait :) 06:40 magnuse oh for patches that change strings? 06:40 magnuse wait, which noon? 06:40 cait my noon, your noon 06:40 cait i already recalculated, 6 am for him I think 06:40 magnuse ah 06:40 cait he sent an emal 06:40 cait email even 06:41 magnuse hm, not to me? 06:42 rangi http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2013-April/039238.html 06:42 rangi to everybody 06:42 rangi evening all 06:42 cait evening 06:43 magnuse hiya rangi 06:43 magnuse ah, i thought it was sent like yesterday or summat 06:44 magnuse heh piwik reports a visitor to libriotech.no with "netscape 4" 06:45 cait ew 06:46 rangi heh 06:48 dcook Whoa... 06:48 dcook The DSpace JSPUI still has some references to netscape in its code 06:48 dcook I figured it was impossible... 06:48 * dcook hopes it was a bot... 06:49 magnuse yeah, i suspect some kind of foul play :-) 07:14 wizzyrea there is someone named darth_tater in here 07:14 wizzyrea i approve 07:16 dcook cait++ 07:17 dcook QA machine! 07:17 dcook Good night everyone. Time for thai! 07:17 wizzyrea glhf 07:23 * cait waves to wizzyrea 07:24 wizzyrea howdy 09:06 magnuse hiya wizzyrea 09:48 AmitG hi all 09:48 AmitG brendan around 09:49 AmitG ? 09:52 magnuse @seen bag 09:52 huginn` magnuse: bag was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 43 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <bag> he's a good sport 09:53 * magnuse suspects brendan of sleeping 09:56 AmitG @seen AmitG 09:56 huginn` AmitG: AmitG was last seen in #koha 7 minutes and 17 seconds ago: <AmitG> ? 09:56 AmitG @seen rangi 09:56 huginn` AmitG: rangi was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 10 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <rangi> heh 09:56 AmitG @seen cait 09:56 huginn` AmitG: cait was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 32 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: * cait waves to wizzyrea 10:01 jcamins If anyone has any further string changes they want in 3.12, you have THREE MINUTES to get the signed off and QAed. 10:05 jcamins Any patches with string changes that have not passed QA will not be considered for 3.12. 10:05 * jcamins throws a party. 10:14 * magnuse joins in 10:15 jcamins AmitG: if you have a general question, you should just go ahead and ask. If anyone knows the answer, they will answer. 10:17 magnuse @arewethereyet 10:17 huginn` magnuse: YES! 10:17 magnuse um, are you sure huginn`? 10:17 jcamins Hehe. 10:18 magnuse i think gmcharlt can reset that? 10:20 magnuse jcamins: ~3 weeks until you are a free man again? 10:20 jcamins YES! 10:20 magnuse hehe 10:24 * magnuse hopes gmcharlt makes the most of the next 3 weeks... 10:24 jcamins @later tell gmcharlt could you please merge the 6554 reverts branch so that 10070 can be applied to master? 10:24 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 10:50 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_10022' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9aa2e6fd759d3cfc5d582679fe93006adeb6b30d> / Bug 10022 - Multiple tags moderation doesn't work on translated page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=86511b380f06f4b0f9c6a21332819c9614ac3b59> / Merge branch 'bug_10017' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com 10:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #19 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 11:10 magnuse bonjour khall 11:10 khall good day magnuse! 11:11 magnuse wassup? 11:21 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_10111' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d44f03e9fe8ee13053a9633e699346a74f244ae> / Bug 10111 - Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72c95fa1ccd7fadadd5e5b73cf4e1a5623f18f89> / Merge branch 'bug_6709' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h 11:24 jcamins Hey... 11:24 jcamins What's the word for "more" in French? 11:26 * magnuse suspects all the frenchies are sipping pastis at the beach today 11:27 jcamins magnuse: and very sensible indeed to be doing so. 11:27 magnuse yup 11:27 magnuse @wunder marseille 11:27 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (1:00 PM CEST on May 01, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 11:27 magnuse ooh 11:28 magnuse we should shift the release cycle of koha so the hackfests in marseille can be in may ;-) 11:29 jcamins Hehe. 11:30 magnuse according to google translate: more pastis -> plus de pastis 11:31 jcamins cait says that "More" is translated in the Masthead for her, so I suppose the French translators decided that "More" should be translated "More." 11:31 magnuse hehe 11:33 magnuse i see "More" when i choose norwegian in my master installation - but that could be an incomplete translation 11:34 jcamins Hmm. 11:34 magnuse hm, looks like it *is* translated in the .po file, though... 11:35 jcamins Yeah, that's not so good. 11:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #19: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/19/ 11:35 jenkins_koha * Edmund Balnaves: Bug 8264 - local cover images not working in IE8 [ prog ] 11:35 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add Edmund Balnaves to history 11:35 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10153 - Patron header search form is too wide 11:35 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10152: Default sorting wrong in parcels.pl 11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , local cover images not working in IE8 11:35 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10145: The acquisition details block is badly placed. 11:35 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10083 - In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface 11:35 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Fix CSS for right-to-left in CCSR theme 11:35 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Follow up OPAC-CCSR-Right-to-left-css 11:35 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Follow up handling with the multi libraries pref active 11:35 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10022 - Multiple tags moderation doesn't work on translated page 11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10153 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Patron header search form is too wide 11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10152 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Default sorting wrong in parcels.pl 11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , The acquisition details block is badly placed 11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10083 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface 11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10017 normal, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Opac CCSR template do not cope well with right-to-left languages 11:35 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "gimme more!" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/490 11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10022 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Multiple tags moderation doesn't work on translated page 11:36 magnuse success! \o/ 11:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1156 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 11:39 jcamins So, this is not a good thing. 11:39 jcamins Bah. 11:45 jcamins magnuse: ummm... could you please take a screenshot of what I should see when I use the 008 plugin for NORMARC? 11:46 jcamins This is what I see: http://screencast.com/t/cBLQ4sFdsa7 11:47 * magnuse looks 11:48 magnuse yeah, that looks like what i would expect 11:48 jcamins Oh, okay then. 11:48 jcamins 7055 passes. 11:48 magnuse anything in particular you were wondering about? 11:48 magnuse bug 7055 11:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7055 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Passed QA , NORMARC: Links and defaults for 008 position 15-17 and 35-37 11:48 magnuse w00t! 11:48 jcamins Yeah... the MARC21 008 builder is a lot nicer. :P 11:49 magnuse yeah, i know. modernizing the normarc ones is on my list of things to do 11:49 jcamins As long as it hasn't actually been done, it's fine the way it is. 11:49 magnuse this is what the marc21 builders looked like when i did the normarc ones... :-/ 11:51 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_10053' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b38b1d0e1f584c3c2ad66892ec52b64bb9d181e> / Bug 10053: borrowers.branchcode cannot be null <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=09d36cee3c16b14acf0435531d1789486e0a0a44> / Merge branch 'bug_10097' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=209863e5e4c3 12:06 cait hm 12:06 cait i will try with german 12:06 cait sec 12:10 cait welll bit more than a sec.. but I am on it 12:15 jcamins What is it with holds queue related patches? 12:15 jcamins Is there some rule that says "FOR GOODNESS SAKE DON'T PROVIDE A USABLE TEST PLAN"? 12:17 jcamins I don't think I have _ever_ seen a usable test plan on a patch relating to the holds queue. 12:17 jcamins Probably because there's also exactly no documentation whatsoever for anything relating to the holds queue so the test plan writer is forced to make it up as s/he goes along. 12:21 oleonard Hi #koha 12:21 jcamins Hello. 12:21 jcamins The final string freeze is nigh! 12:25 oleonard *yawns* orry, I was up all night doing unauthorized Koha upgrades 12:25 jcamins lol 12:26 jcamins Hey... 12:26 jcamins didn't xkcd do a comic about that? 12:31 cait oleonard++ 12:31 cait jcamins: tell me what you need help with, I will write you up one 12:32 cait and there was a usable one on the bug, sorry if I forgot to copy it 12:32 jcamins cait: I figured it out. 12:32 jcamins build_holds_queue.pl does not take any arguments. 12:32 cait jcamins: Mehr definitely translates for me 12:33 jcamins Yay! No bug! 12:33 cait i used the newest pos the newest whatsoevermaster.. 12:33 cait hm 12:33 cait I should probably be using 3.12. 12:33 cait i can redo it 12:33 jcamins No, my problem was on master and 3.12 both. 12:34 cait oh good 12:34 cait i get it master and 3.12 are different becuse of the encoding patches? 12:34 jcamins Yup. 12:35 jcamins Not with that particular problem I'm encountering, though. 12:35 cait but gmcharlt wanted to do something abou tthat? 12:35 jcamins Yeah, he has a branch with reverts, but I'm not 100% sure how to merge it. 12:38 jcamins Where do you set the length of time reading history is kept? 12:42 oleonard I think it's kept forever, managed by the patron, or cleared manually 12:42 cait jcamins: there is also opacprivacy and a cronjob involved I think 12:45 jcamins That's what I was missing. 12:45 jcamins The cron job. 12:45 wahanui i guess the cron job is only needed for *new* records. 12:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1156: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1156/ 12:46 jenkins_koha * Edmund Balnaves: Bug 8264 - local cover images not working in IE8 [ prog ] 12:46 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add Edmund Balnaves to history 12:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10153 - Patron header search form is too wide 12:46 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10152: Default sorting wrong in parcels.pl 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , local cover images not working in IE8 12:46 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10145: The acquisition details block is badly placed. 12:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10083 - In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface 12:46 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Fix CSS for right-to-left in CCSR theme 12:46 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Follow up OPAC-CCSR-Right-to-left-css 12:46 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10017: Follow up handling with the multi libraries pref active 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10153 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Patron header search form is too wide 12:46 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10022 - Multiple tags moderation doesn't work on translated page 12:46 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 10143 - Fixing license headers 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10152 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Default sorting wrong in parcels.pl 12:46 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6709 : Patch for testing translating .xml files 12:46 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 6709 - marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated 12:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10111 - Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , The acquisition details block is badly placed 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10083 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10017 normal, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Opac CCSR template do not cope well with right-to-left languages 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10022 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Multiple tags moderation doesn't work on translated page 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10143 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Fix FSF address in license headers 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6709 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated. 12:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10111 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent 12:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #20 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 12:53 jcamins Okay, the only patches left are packaging script-related. 12:53 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_6506' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6dd368e2c83ceb90fda622fbbd669ef0e6783656> / Bug 6506: Correct CSS class name. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=79ea900b2c47caa71e995fa35d65e1a5c78d3a6d> / Bug 6506: When AnonymousPatron not set, deletion of issue history silently failed. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git; 12:55 jcamins YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!! 12:55 jcamins confetti 12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 12:55 jcamins confetti 12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 12:55 jcamins confetti 12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 12:55 jcamins confetti 12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 12:55 jcamins confetti 12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 12:55 jcamins confetti 12:55 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 12:56 jcamins :D 12:56 marcelr jcamins++ 12:56 jcamins As you may have gathered, Koha is in string freeze for 3.12. 12:57 cait :) 13:01 jcamins @later tell mtj When you are QAing next, do you think you could start with bug 10150? 13:01 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 13:02 marcelr and bug 10084 ? 13:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10084 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , YUI path wrong in CCSR theme with packages 13:02 jcamins @later tell mtj Oh, and while you're working on packages, could you look at 10084, too? 13:02 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 13:02 jcamins marcelr: thanks. 13:09 tcohen OFTC keeps pulling me out because "no ident" stuff 13:10 jcamins I need to roll another beta, I think. 13:10 jcamins Or should I call it a "Release Candidate"? 13:10 tcohen we'll all be glad 13:10 jcamins tcohen: your error handling patches will be going in. 13:10 tcohen oh, thats great jcamins 13:11 jcamins I need to leave in about forty-five minutes, so I don't have time to do all the testing this morning, but they're not being ignored because I'm bumping them. :) 13:11 tcohen how many rc do u plan to have? 13:11 jcamins Well, if I start calling them Release Candidates now... four? 13:12 tcohen maybe one more beta then? 13:12 jcamins Yeah, that's why I was thinking it was a beta. 13:12 jcamins But then I thought "hey, wait, now that we're in string freeze if no other patches were submitted, I'd release it as-is." 13:12 jcamins :) 13:12 tcohen those error handling patches are going in in this beta? 13:12 jcamins Yeah. 13:13 jcamins I won't be building the beta until tonight. 13:13 tcohen ok, i'll do extensive tests on that then 13:14 tcohen if you have a minute i can give you what i got for tab-completion so u enjoy testing :-P 13:14 tcohen and then spend 44 minutes on that releasing task 13:15 jcamins Hehe. 13:15 jcamins Right now I'm working on release notes, and I'll be doing the testing and releasing tonight. :) 13:15 cait :) 13:16 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tab-completion, so far" (179 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/491 13:16 druthb o/ :) 13:17 jcamins tcohen: so how does that work? I can just include that in .profile? 13:18 tcohen you need the bash-completion package 13:18 tcohen and put it in /etc/bash_completion.d 13:18 tcohen or, for testing purposes, bash koha 13:18 tcohen and the completion will work on that shell 13:18 tcohen note that koha-enable completion relies on a patch for koha-list that hasn't been pushed yet 13:19 tcohen (that adds the --disabled switch) 13:19 jcamins Nice! 13:19 tcohen if you grep complete koha 13:19 tcohen you'll see what completions are already done 13:20 tcohen i learned that i should love Perl a lot more now that i've been working a bit with bash 13:21 cait :) 13:21 jcamins lol 13:22 tcohen the code looks a lot ad-hoc because i couldnt manage to pass associative arrays as reference without loosing the keys! 13:22 tcohen (the folks at #bash aren't as responsive as we are at all) 13:24 jcamins Hm. 13:24 jcamins I think the release notes auto-generator did not work right. 13:24 tcohen ouch 13:25 jcamins Ooh, I bet I know what it was. 13:26 jcamins Yeah, we specified that only 4-digit bugs were allowed. 13:26 oleonard We figured they'd all be fixed before 10000. 13:26 cait heh :) 13:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #20: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/20/ 13:26 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 10143 - Fixing license headers 13:26 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6709 : Patch for testing translating .xml files 13:26 oleonard 9999, aaaaand... we're done. 13:26 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 6709 - marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated 13:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10111 - Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent 13:26 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7143 Followup for some new developers on about page 13:26 jenkins_koha * D Ruth Bavousett: Bug 7143: Updating the About page with translation teams for Basque and Turkish 13:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10143 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Fix FSF address in license headers 13:26 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 7143: Add missing contributor to about page 13:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9266 - Untranslated strings in tags moderation 13:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6709 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated. 13:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9957 - Missing cancel link on subfield editing page 13:26 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9719 - Changing the rows per page on a custom report fails if it has user supplied parameters 13:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10111 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent 13:26 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10097 - Hide framework selection when importing staged authority records 13:26 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10053: borrowers.branchcode cannot be null 13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9266 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Untranslated strings in tags moderation 13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Missing cancel link on subfield editing page 13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9719 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Changing the rows per page on a custom report fails if it has user supplied parameters 13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10097 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Hide framework selection when importing staged authority records 13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10053 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , borrowers.branchcode cannot be null 13:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #1157 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:31 jcamins What beta are we up to? 13:32 jcamins 21 features, 158 enhancements, 393 bugfixes. 13:32 jcamins So far. 13:33 druthb jcamins++ 13:33 cait jcamins++ 13:35 tcohen jcamins++ 14:01 bgkriegel jcamins++ 14:14 oleonard The goal of consistent indentation in the templates is at odds with the potential desire of some to keep line lengths reasonable. 14:17 * oleonard votes for potentially long line lengths, personally 14:18 * cait votes for artistic indenting 14:18 cait :) 14:26 oleonard cait: You want each template to indent in the profile of a famous sculpture? 14:26 cait oleonard: doesn't that sound nice? :) 14:27 tcohen should we care of translated templates too? 14:27 cait oh right, translations will mess it all up 14:31 tcohen we could do it better, if anyone had the tiem for it of course 14:31 tcohen maybe is not an issue at all 14:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1157: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1157/ 14:36 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7143 Followup for some new developers on about page 14:36 jenkins_koha * D Ruth Bavousett: Bug 7143: Updating the About page with translation teams for Basque and Turkish 14:36 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 7143: Add missing contributor to about page 14:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9266 - Untranslated strings in tags moderation 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 14:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9957 - Missing cancel link on subfield editing page 14:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9719 - Changing the rows per page on a custom report fails if it has user supplied parameters 14:36 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10097 - Hide framework selection when importing staged authority records 14:36 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10053: borrowers.branchcode cannot be null 14:36 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 7055 - NORMARC: Fix 008 position 15-17 and 35-37 14:36 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 7054 - NORMARC: Fix default for 000 position 17 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9266 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Untranslated strings in tags moderation 14:36 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8300: Add mechanized unit test for batch import 14:36 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 8300 - Add Test::WWW::Mechanize as an optional dependency 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Missing cancel link on subfield editing page 14:36 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7368: Small typo in history.txt 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9719 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Changing the rows per page on a custom report fails if it has user supplied parameters 14:36 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8419 - Suspended holds appear on the daily holds queue 14:36 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10033 - dangerous query in _koha_modify_item 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10097 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Hide framework selection when importing staged authority records 14:36 jenkins_koha * Christophe Croullebois: Bug 7228: can't add items in an order with Modify 14:36 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 6506: Followup add warning in the system information tab. 14:36 jenkins_koha * Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 6506: When AnonymousPatron not set, deletion of issue history silently failed. 14:36 jenkins_koha * Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 6506: Correct CSS class name. 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10053 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , borrowers.branchcode cannot be null 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7055 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , NORMARC: Links and defaults for 008 position 15-17 and 35-37 14:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #21 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7054 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , NORMARC: wrong default for 000 position 17 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should have mechanized testing suite 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , General staff client typo omnibus 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8419 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Suspended holds appear on the daily holds queue 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10033 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , dangerous query in _koha_modify_item 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7228 major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , deleting patron history missing errors 15:00 oleonard Something is wrong with this picture: http://screencast.com/t/qSnse1KA 15:01 cait lots of yellow? 15:01 cait 1 out of 1 what? 15:01 cait oh 15:01 cait i am confused 15:02 cait which screen is that? 15:02 oleonard Placing multiple holds in the OPAC 15:02 cait ah 15:02 cait i see 15:02 cait wasn't there a bug for that smewhere? 15:02 oleonard It says "none of these items can be placed on hold," but the 2nd one looks available to me 15:02 cait that some block all? 15:04 oleonard Bug 4249 is for the staff client--different issue I think. 15:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4249 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't place hold if one item not avail for hold 15:04 cait hm 15:04 oleonard Is that a duplicate of Bug 7703? 15:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7703 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Don't block bulk hold action on search results if some items can't be placed on hold 15:04 cait holds... i always get a bit lost there 15:06 oleonard Too bad 7703 didn't get a follow-up before the string freeze. 15:06 cait yeah 15:07 cait maybe he missed it 15:10 rambutan @seen jcamins 15:11 rambutan @seen cait 15:11 huginn` rambutan: cait was last seen in #koha 4 minutes and 0 seconds ago: <cait> maybe he missed it 15:11 rambutan @seen jcamins 15:11 cait i am here 15:11 huginn` rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <jcamins> So far. 15:11 rambutan yea, huginn was being slow 15:12 cait so i was just a test? 15:16 druthb wahanui: be cait 15:16 wahanui hmpf. 15:16 druthb heh 15:16 druthb wahanui: be rambutan 15:16 wahanui druthb: i'm not following you... 15:16 druthb :P 15:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #21: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/21/ 15:16 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 7055 - NORMARC: Fix 008 position 15-17 and 35-37 15:16 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 7054 - NORMARC: Fix default for 000 position 17 15:16 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8300: Add mechanized unit test for batch import 15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7055 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , NORMARC: Links and defaults for 008 position 15-17 and 35-37 15:16 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 8300 - Add Test::WWW::Mechanize as an optional dependency 15:16 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7368: Small typo in history.txt 15:16 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8419 - Suspended holds appear on the daily holds queue 15:16 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10033 - dangerous query in _koha_modify_item 15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7054 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , NORMARC: wrong default for 000 position 17 15:16 jenkins_koha * Christophe Croullebois: Bug 7228: can't add items in an order with Modify 15:16 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 6506: Followup add warning in the system information tab. 15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should have mechanized testing suite 15:16 jenkins_koha * Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 6506: When AnonymousPatron not set, deletion of issue history silently failed. 15:16 jenkins_koha * Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 6506: Correct CSS class name. 15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , General staff client typo omnibus 15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8419 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Suspended holds appear on the daily holds queue 15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10033 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , dangerous query in _koha_modify_item 15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7228 major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file 15:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , deleting patron history missing errors 15:16 druthb wahanui: be bag 15:16 wahanui druthb: what? 15:17 rambutan big bad bag? 15:18 druthb wahanui: be druthb 15:18 wahanui Harrumph! 15:29 gmcharlt @quote random 15:29 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote AI you've been developing. that takes a lot of cycles" (added by gmcharlt at 01:11 PM, May 18, 2010) 15:35 oleonard @quote random 15:35 huginn` oleonard: Quote #87: "<wizzyrea> my standard reply for that is you know that women are genetically predisposed to wake to a baby's cry... where men are more likely to wake up to the sound of a fly buzzing" (added by chris_n at 07:26 PM, July 29, 2010) 15:37 druthb @quote random 15:37 huginn` druthb: Quote #137: "sekjal: the data's in there... it's just MARC" (added by cait at 06:40 PM, May 26, 2011) 16:02 maximep just took me a year to send patch for bug 7498. Better late than never, I guess 16:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7498 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Needs Signoff , Cloning a budget, enable change of description 16:02 cait only sad thing about that is 16:02 cait that now I will wistfully long for it 6 months 16:02 cait :) 16:02 cait or longer 16:02 cait depending on when we upgrade our customers heh 16:02 maximep oh. yeah, right 16:02 maximep :/ 16:03 cait i am still very happy you did it :) 16:25 rambutan @seen sekjal 16:25 huginn` rambutan: sekjal was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 40 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <sekjal> drojf: agreed 16:26 oleonard @seen pianohacker 16:26 huginn` oleonard: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 1 year, 30 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 14 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <pianohacker> That's always nice, when other people have a higher opinion of our skills than we do 16:44 rambutan wahanui: archives? 16:44 wahanui rambutan: i don't know 16:45 rambutan wahanui: archive? 16:45 wahanui well, archive is missing i work to restore the access 16:46 oleonard What kind of archives rambutan? 16:47 rambutan irc logs, but found it 16:47 rambutan google is getting fairly good at finding koha stuff, better than like a couple of years ago 16:53 jcamins logs? 16:53 wahanui it has been said that logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 16:56 rambutan @seen kados 16:56 huginn` rambutan: I have not seen kados. 16:59 rambutan It's interesting to look at old logs and see the personalities involved w/ Koha years ago 16:59 druthb @seen jdavidb 16:59 huginn` druthb: jdavidb was last seen in #koha 1 year, 24 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 1 minute, and 31 seconds ago: <jdavidb> I'm just here to confuse you. 17:01 rambutan owen, chris and kados go way back 17:01 rambutan who was toykeeper I wonder? 17:01 oleonard Hooray for those of us who didn't flame out and crap up the place 17:02 jcamins Hehe. 17:02 rambutan @seen rach 17:02 huginn` rambutan: rach was last seen in #koha 2 years, 25 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 46 minutes, and 1 second ago: <rach> Cool paul 17:02 bag oleonard++ 17:02 oleonard rach is a Katipo person 17:03 rambutan yea, I think she was the one that did the Koha logo, right? 17:03 bag yup 17:03 rambutan too back huginn can't tell a "first seen" date 17:04 jcamins The logs can. 17:04 rambutan how? other than just manually searching? 17:04 jcamins I was first seen in '06, but then I left the country and didn't come back until '09. 17:04 jcamins Yeah. 17:05 cait i was later :) 17:05 bag I don't think I ever logged into IRC until '08 17:06 rambutan hummm, I was thinking I saw "brendan" earlier than that 17:06 bag started koha with 2.2 17:07 bag well using it (that is) 17:08 rambutan paul goes way back too 17:11 rambutan acty has picked up too, some days back in 2005 only have 15-20 lines in them for the whole day 17:12 oleonard Lots more regular lurkers these days, which I don't really understand. 17:12 rambutan thd used to be an active participant 17:12 oleonard Hey lurkers, why are you here? 17:12 * druthb lurks 17:12 * oleonard hopes we provide the lurkers with their daily requirement of Koha talk 17:13 * jcamins would be a lurker, except he talks too much. 17:13 druthb lulz 17:13 oleonard druthb: You don't count as a lurker :P 17:13 druthb :P 17:13 rambutan lots of extensive French (language) in the old days too 17:14 druthb @seen rhcl 17:14 huginn` druthb: rhcl was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <rhcl> #info Greg Lawson Rolling Hills Consolidated Library, St. Joseph, MO 17:15 rambutan I've taken to only using that nick when I represent the library, like in meetings 17:15 rambutan I use "mustard" when I want to say something and I don't want anybody to know who is reallly saying it 17:16 oleonard rambutan: You cover is pretty well blown. 17:18 rambutan No, I still have one super-secret nick left. 17:19 maximep I say we should go back to usign french :p 17:20 rambutan works for me, I speak google 17:20 * druthb ne parle pas français. 17:20 maximep ok, allons-y ! 17:20 * senator reste immergé 17:21 rambutan oooh, a new player at the table! 17:22 senator nah, i was just saying "still lurking" :-) 17:30 maximep hmm I didn't understand the translation "immergé" for lurking :S 17:30 maximep 10 mins later 17:36 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:36 mtompset Woo hoo! I found the bug in my integration of the shib patch. 17:36 mtompset I was almost getting motivated to re-write auth from scratch. 17:37 jcamins mtompset: just make sure you write unit tests. 17:37 mtompset I know. Especially with enhancements. 17:37 jcamins mtompset: any changes to Auth require unit tests. 17:37 jcamins #evergreen is voting on the RM using meetbot's vote functionality. So everyone is saying "Vote yes." 17:38 * jcamins hopes someone interpolates "Will somebody open up a window." 17:38 mtompset Just to clarify: Does that mean I have to get a CAS server, LDAP server and all the existing authentication methods working too? Or just tests for the enhancement? 17:40 jcamins mtompset: you have to write unit tests for any code that you are changing. 17:40 jcamins So if you don't touch CAS, you don't need to write a unit test. 17:40 jcamins (etc.) 17:41 jcamins But if you change an existing API, you need to write a unit test to show that it still works. 17:42 mtompset No API changes, just a couple template tweaks, add a file, tweak Auth, and then add some sysprefs. 17:43 mtompset I'll be very methodical in documenting the testing I do to prove it works. 17:44 jcamins It the changes in auth are slight, no additional unit tests will be needed for the existing routines. 17:44 mtompset insertion of logic, and modification of an || 17:45 mtompset I don't think it's huge, but I'll document it to hell. 17:45 jcamins Probably no need for additional unit tests (but the new code needs unit tests, still, of course). 17:47 mtompset And when you say unit tests you mean some t/something.t test? 17:48 jcamins Right. 17:48 jcamins Or t/db_dependent/something.t if you can't make it work without a configuration. 17:50 mtompset since sysprefs are required, then the db_dependent is probably what I need, right? 17:51 jcamins Mmmm... 17:51 jcamins ideally not. 17:51 jcamins You can "mock" the database access. 17:51 jcamins Take a look at... 17:51 jcamins t/db_dependent/Search.t or t/Items.t (or t/ItemTypes.t, or something like that). 17:52 jcamins Oh! t/DateUtils.t. 17:52 jcamins That one is probably easier to understand. 17:53 mtompset Thanks for the feedback. Let's say I finish getting this patch ready before Koha PI is released, might it make it in? 17:54 mtompset (or would it go into the next one?) 17:54 jcamins If it's done before the feature freeze, it might get in, certainly. 17:54 jcamins gmcharlt can speak to when that is. 17:54 jcamins Probably six months from March 22. 17:54 jcamins -ish 17:55 mtompset So, I have ~4 months left (to be on the safe-side)? 17:55 cait less 17:55 jcamins Less. 17:55 jcamins Definitely less. 17:55 cait it will need a sign off and qa 17:55 gmcharlt mtompset: and fair warning, the testing bar for auth code is going to be high 17:55 cait so calculate a lot of time for that 17:55 cait ideally find someone committed to test your code once it's ready 17:55 gmcharlt as would be the case for anything that touches deep routines 17:55 jcamins You want to make sure that there's plenty of time for testing. 17:57 mtompset gmcharlt: I totally understand, since it is such a core routine. 17:57 mtompset ^routine^module^ 18:02 magnuse @arewethereyet 18:02 huginn` magnuse: YES! 18:03 magnuse hm 18:07 druthb wahanui: botsnack this_boring_trainer 18:07 wahanui thanks druthb :) 18:09 mtompset BTW, greetings cait jcamins gmcharlt druthb magnuse. :) 18:11 druthb greetings, mtompset! :D 18:14 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Subscribing to RSS Feeds in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/OmMxyHAuod #kohails" 18:16 jcamins gmcharlt: I have a question about the 6554 revert branch: what needs to be done with it? 18:16 gmcharlt jcamins: I'm going to run a final check, then push it 18:16 jcamins Thanks. 18:17 jcamins Tonight I'll be doing some packaging tests and cutting another beta -- whichever beta it happens that we are on -- and I'd like to include 10070. 18:19 jcamins I guess probably we're on beta3 since I increment the 100 place of the patch version number for each beta. 18:20 jcamins Hmm... maybe. 18:21 oleonard I find that if you try to place multiple holds in the OPAC on a set of titles which includes one with no items you get a nasty error 18:21 jcamins oleonard: that's not good. 18:24 oleonard Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at C4/Items.pm line 1398. 18:25 * magnuse thinks it is beta3 too 18:25 jcamins oleonard: yeah, I see the problem. 18:27 jcamins The if is missing " && $record->field('773')". 18:27 jcamins (and parentheses) 18:28 jcamins And the elsif should have ... && $record->field('461') 18:29 cait what's 461? 18:29 jcamins UNIMARC. 18:29 wahanui unimarc is, like, http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation 18:29 cait analytics? 18:29 wahanui the 773$w field contains the value of the 001 field of the parent record. Also, MARC sucks. 18:30 jcamins Yeah. 18:30 jcamins Well- I presume. 18:34 jcamins [off] Seriously? AUTOCAT has devolved to a discussion of whether there should be a "Dislike" button on Facebook. 18:37 oleonard Yeah, we never get off topic he--OOH KITTIES! 18:37 cait i thought cookies? 18:40 oleonard We don't discriminate against distractions here. All distractions are welcome. 18:40 * cait tries to remember how to build packages 18:41 jcamins oleonard: but we stick to relatively brief distractions. 18:41 jcamins Not 10k-word screeds. 18:41 oleonard Uh... yeah, I'll say. 18:43 jcamins And generally on IRC. 18:50 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'origin/new/bug6554_reverts' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=308237541beee0672855b43dcab34b1fed40b301> 18:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #1158 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:58 cait gmcharlt++ 19:02 jcamins cait++ 19:02 druthb cait++ 19:04 oleonard Bug 10166-- String freeze safe! 19:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10166 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable 19:11 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Like this jcamins?" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/492 19:12 oleonard No apparently not 19:15 bgk oleonard: is there a precedence order between && and ||? 19:17 jcamins oleonard: I don't see any problem with that. 19:18 cait hm fingers crossed packages will build 19:19 oleonard The only change in the error message is to the line number 19:21 jcamins oleonard: oh, wait, I think I see. 19:21 jcamins Add "return unless $record" before the if. 19:22 cait oleonard++ jcamins++ 19:23 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Like this jcamins?" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/493 19:24 druthb cait: http://katrin.you.are.mighty.aninote.com/ 19:24 cait ? 19:25 jcamins Yes. 19:25 jcamins Does it fix the problem? 19:25 cait druthb? 19:25 wahanui druthb is our translation manager for 3.12 19:25 cait druthb? 19:25 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 19:25 druthb cait? 19:25 wahanui well, cait is qam, not your secretary 19:25 cait ;) 19:25 druthb clix the link? 19:26 cait what do you think? 19:28 cait :) 19:29 druthb :) 19:30 druthb That made the rounds at our office this week. 19:30 druthb Just substitute a name for "katrin" in the link, and it Just Works. 19:31 mtompset Nice link. 19:33 cait jcamins: should buliding database of manual pages take so long? 19:33 oleonard jcamins: Fixes the error and exposes another problem :| 19:35 jcamins cait: I don't know. It takes a long time. 19:35 jcamins oleonard: eww. :( 19:35 cait ok 19:35 cait i will wait 19:36 mtompset -- hate when that happens. 19:36 cait oh it's moving again 19:47 cait morning kathryn 19:47 kathryn hiya cait :) 19:59 oleonard I filed Bug 10169 and attached a patch with the work so far (all courtesy jcamins). Where to go next is beyond me. 19:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10169 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Software error if one of multiple titles selected for hold in the OPAC has no items 20:01 jcamins It could be that the fix doesn't work. 20:02 cait :( 20:02 cait i only got a tar.gz 20:02 cait but not a deb 20:02 jcamins cait: did it fail? 20:02 cait not that I can see 20:03 jcamins In that case, do a search for .deb files. 20:03 jcamins They get put in weird places. 20:03 cait hm how? 20:07 gcb Is there a way to delete all authorities with 0 biblios attached to it? Running 3.10.5 debian-common... 20:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1158: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1158/ 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 9951: Followup for tools/viewlog.pl" 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 9951: Followup for Tools" 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 10019: Fix for userid containing UTF8 chars" 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 10074: QA Followup for InstallAuth.pm" 20:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9951 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems where script parameters are not decoded 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 10074 - Encoding problems for installer" 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 10074 - Encoding problems at login time" 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554 Fix error caused by modifying $_ in a map" 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554 - make Koha internally utf-8 clean" 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554 QA Followup" 20:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10019 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Encoding problem with utf8 chars in userid 20:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10074 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Encoding problems for login and installer 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554: Followup for serial search" 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554: Followup for acquisitions" 20:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554: Followup for preferences.pl" 20:07 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Revert "Bug 6554 Followup for circulation patron search" 20:13 oleonard Bye #koha 20:15 cait bye oleonard 20:17 gcb Is there a way to delete all authorities with "0 biblios" attached to it? Running 3.10.5 debian koha-common... 21:19 jcamins cab_vinton++ 21:28 phasefx if I want to add New York Times Reviews to added content from Syndetics, I would augment $review_sources and for my $available_type in C4/External/Syndetics.pm, and would that be enough? 21:29 rangi at a guess, i think so 21:29 * phasefx dares it; thanks :-) 21:32 wizzyrea phasefx: that might not be strictly legal. 21:32 jcamins wizzyrea: why not? 21:32 wizzyrea you could also use something like idreambooks 21:32 jcamins Oh. 21:33 jcamins wizzyrea: I think syndetics sells NYT reviews. 21:33 rangi *nod* 21:33 wizzyrea never mind then. 21:33 rangi morning 21:33 * wizzyrea doesn't keep on track of the entire range of what syndetics has 21:34 jcamins I think they did some press release about reviews recently. 21:36 phasefx it's going to take me a bit of time to ramp up a test environment, etc. being a Koha newbie, but if this is something that should go into master, I'll share. I still owe you guys a test script for another bug :( 21:39 rangi phasefx: the easiest way is to install via the debian packages 21:39 rangi then use the gitofy script 21:40 jcamins The best way to install is via the Debian packages. 21:40 jcamins And I've heard very cool things about gitify. 21:40 phasefx roger that, thanks 21:40 wizzyrea your favorite koha feature, go 21:40 jcamins Mine? 21:40 wahanui Mine is very good at reminding me of druthb's place on the food chain. 21:40 jcamins Ummm... 21:41 jcamins hmm. 21:41 wizzyrea everybody. 21:41 wahanui hmmm... everybody is so enthusiastic today :) 21:41 * druthb tilts her head quizzically. 21:41 jcamins That's a good question. 21:42 rangi https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify 21:42 wizzyrea ^ is pretty slick 21:42 rangi persistent urls wizzyrea 21:43 jcamins Oh, are we including the absence of anti-features in our definition of feature? 21:43 wizzyrea yep 21:43 wizzyrea I like that one rangi 21:44 jcamins The way there's just *Koha*. When someone says "but I don't need Acquisitions," I can say "that's great, but you know what? If you change your mind, you have it in your back pocket!" 21:45 * jcamins got to give that speech a few days ago. 22:10 wizzyrea did you guys see the thing where facebook has backed away from html5, opting instead to focus on their mobile apps? 22:12 wizzyrea http://au.businessinsider.com/betting-1-billion-on-instagram-facebooks-backs-away-from-html5-2012-4 22:12 wizzyrea http://mashable.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-post-ipo-interview/ 22:13 rangi unsuprising 22:14 rangi don answered that :) 22:15 rangi FB is more concerned with controlling you. They probably find an open platform doesn't allow that so much. Apple has a similar approach. It has broken Safari on its mobile devices because it prefers that you pay them to use apps to use the internet. 22:15 cjh :( 22:16 wizzyrea of course they want to control you. The speed thing is a problem though. 22:17 cjh with FB you are the product. 22:17 wizzyrea with anything on the internet you use for free, you are the product. 22:17 wizzyrea which means... everything. 22:17 jcamins Also most things you pay for. 22:18 wizzyrea certainly anything you don't pay a lot for. 22:18 rangi Apps built in HTML5 can be much slower than apps built in native iOS and Android code. 22:18 rangi the keyword is CAN 22:19 ibeardslee you are the product with koha? ;) 22:20 rangi and to say that instagram succeeded because FB photo app was slow is bollocks too 22:20 wizzyrea if you're using amazon images you are 22:20 wizzyrea no filters on facebook :P 22:20 wizzyrea lulz. 22:22 ibeardslee instagram succeeded because it was for the hipster iphone users not the common facebook users 22:22 rangi yeah 22:22 jcamins ibeardslee: no, the patrons are. 22:22 rangi facebook is on the downslide now anyway 22:23 cjh jcamins: although as developers, we are also part of the product :) 22:23 ibeardslee so much of success is the right place at the right time with the right product targeting (even if accidently) the right people 22:23 jcamins cjh: good point. 22:24 BobB good morning all 22:24 cjh morning BobB 22:35 eythian hi 22:35 wahanui hi, eythian 22:35 trea o/ 22:37 eythian wahanui: gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify 22:37 wahanui OK, eythian. 22:39 tweetbot [off] twitter: @opensourceway: "Are you looking for open source library tools? Start with @kohails | http://t.co/thGv3INTmD #openlibraries" 22:54 mtompset Have great day (24 hour period), everyone. 22:54 wizzyrea hey that's a nice tweet 23:03 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Subscribing to RSS Feeds in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/tyIuF0fpRS" 23:03 eythian wahanui: are you there? 23:03 wahanui no idea, eythian 23:04 eythian hmm weird. Our internet is just partially down 23:07 jcamins Which part? 23:07 wahanui Which part is probably not right for you 23:07 eythian I don't know 23:07 eythian half my IRC has gone 23:07 eythian but this is still working 23:08 cjh I still have ssh access out to my server, but no dns or pings seem to be going anywhere 23:08 trea yep 23:08 eythian some routes are failing apparently 23:08 cjh and were back 23:09 cjh s/were/we are/ 23:10 jcamins eythian: so... it was the productive parts that were down. 23:11 eythian s/we are/we're/ 23:11 eythian jcamins: pretty much, yes :) 23:11 eythian oh, and IPv6 remained up, that'll be why I remained connected to here 23:19 eythian wahanui: ping 23:19 wahanui eythian: what? 23:22 eythian wahanui: ping is <reply>Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658 23:22 wahanui OK, eythian. 23:33 trea any thoughts as to why i'd be seeing "Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 181, <DATA> line 466." when i try to login to the opac with an ldap user? 23:34 rangi my $attr=$extended_patron_attributes->[$i]; unless (C4::Members::Attributes::CheckUniqueness($attr->{code}, $attr->{value}, $borrowernumber)) 23:34 rangi $attr will be undefined 23:34 rangi is my guess 23:35 trea mmm 23:35 jcamins Actually, based on that snippet, I think the problem is that you have extended patron attributes turned off. 23:36 eythian yeah, $attr would be an error about hash references. 23:38 dcook morning #koha 23:39 cjh trea: which branch is this on? 23:39 trea sorry, which codebase? it's a 3.8.5 site 23:40 cjh ok, then it is the unless line. in current master it was the following line. 23:40 cjh so rangi's guess is solid :) 23:40 rangi cjh: line numbers aren't absolute 23:40 rangi the unless block is one line 23:41 rangi so the unshift line, altho being 181 23:41 trea doesn't explain why it was able to auth at one point, then magically stopped. 23:41 rangi did someone turn off extended attributes 23:41 rangi or delete them 23:41 trea perhaps. i'll have to find out 23:41 trea as much as i'd like to get in an see, they've restricted access to the intranet 23:42 rangi ah, we'd bill them for that :) 23:42 trea so it will have to wait till i have a response via email 23:42 eythian wahanui: magic 23:42 wahanui eythian: huh? 23:42 eythian wahanui: magic is <reply>http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html 23:42 wahanui OK, eythian. 23:45 cjh I want a magic kill switch. 23:48 trea reminds me of the time we crashed a dodgy computer by plugging in a pair of headphones 23:49 trea it causes just enough of a dip in the power supply that the box crashed