Time  Nick         Message
00:02 dcook        I don't suppose there are any UNIMARC Koha users up at this ridiculously late hour? :)
00:02 jcamins      MARC::Moose::Formatter::UnimarcToMarc21?
00:02 jcamins      What a name!
00:02 wahanui      a name is weird too?
00:03 dcook        It sure is a mouthful
00:03 dcook        I'm thinking it might work...
00:04 dcook        I'm looking at a BibLibre sandbox and not noticing the 942/999 subfields I usually do in Koha
00:04 dcook        They look like they're using the control field 001 for their bib number though :D
00:05 dcook        Hmm the 090 too..
00:06 dcook        I suppose if you have your Koha to MARC Mapping set up, you wouldn't need a 999
00:06 * dcook      starts to wonder if a 999 thing is a stock Koha thing or a Prosentient thing
00:10 eythian      it's stock
00:11 eythian      999$c and $d
00:11 dcook        That's what I was thinking..
00:12 rangi        dcook: you sure its not UNIMARC
00:12 dcook        rangi: I know it's UNIMARC :P
00:12 dcook        I'm just trying to wrap my head around how Koha and UNIMARC work together
00:13 dcook        I'm looking at an old Koha 3.0-ish UNIMARC dataset which is...confusing
00:13 eythian      welcome to *MARC*
00:13 dcook        990 instead of 942, 995 instead of 952
00:13 eythian      (that's a glob not emphasis)
00:13 dcook        999a/999(9) instead of 999c/d for the bib/bibitemnumber
00:14 dcook        eythian: hehe
00:14 dcook        While the Koha to MARC mapping seems to work for populating MySQL fields from the MARC (I assume, haven't really checked)
00:15 dcook        I'm trying to remember if there are hard-coded references to 942/952/999 in the Koha code
00:16 wizzyrea     @later tell jcamins I bet these would be amazing cupcakes: http://www.thetarttart.com/2013/04/chocolate-guinness-cupcakes/ - could be the koha official cupcake!
00:16 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
00:23 dcook        Hmm..
00:26 dcook        A person could change where the bibnumber and biblionumber are stored by changing the Koha to MARC mappings, then running touch_all_biblios, yes?
00:28 dcook        bibnumber EQ biblionumber, biblionumber EQ biblioitemnumber
00:30 dcook        Hmm, perhaps not
00:32 dcook        _koha_marc_update_bib_ids seems to use the same MARC tag...so you'd wind up with duplicated fields most likely..
00:39 jcamins      wizzyrea: interesting.
00:39 wahanui      hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:39 jcamins      I feel like a Guinness is the wrong beer for it, though.
00:40 jcamins      I'd want to use a pumpkin stout or the like.
00:42 jcamins      Something with a bit more character.
00:42 jcamins      Or a chocolate stout for double chocolate awesomeness.
00:43 jcamins      Wow.
00:43 jcamins      That's kind of impressive.
00:43 jcamins      (M:M:F:UnimarcToMarc21)
00:47 dcook        Mhm
00:47 dcook        I think it's incomplete though..
00:48 dcook        And I'm not 100% sure how it works...but seems pretty impressive to me
00:48 jcamins      I'm sure it's incomplete. The correspondence between the two formats is very weak.
00:53 dcook        Agreed. RDA is no help there. I'm sure Unimarc has other factors pulling it even farther away as well
01:38 dcook        Hmm...database is mostly Unimarc but has some Marc21 in it..
01:38 dcook        That's...special.
02:15 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
02:16 dcook        hey ya, mtompset
02:16 mtompset     Greetings, dcook.
02:56 * dcook      realizes now there is a reason why people don't readily convert UNIMARC to MARC21
02:57 dcook        As jcamins mentioned, the correspondence is oh so very weak
02:57 dcook        It's like taking two Rubik's cubes and trying to switch the stickers. Chances are it's going to be a mess...
02:58 * wizzyrea   doesn't get it
02:58 wizzyrea     if you're going to go to the effort of taking the stickers off... why wouldn't you put them back in their finished state?
02:58 wizzyrea     on the other cube.
02:58 cjh          wizzyrea++
02:58 cjh          asking the important questions.
02:59 wizzyrea     also making myself laugh.
03:00 wizzyrea     dcook: mind you i'm not nullifying the essence of your complaint
03:00 dcook        hehe
03:00 dcook        I didn't think you were
03:01 dcook        That's what I'm trying to do, but the stickers aren't sticky after you take them off the first cube
03:01 cjh          oooohhhh
03:01 wizzyrea     nothing a little spray adhesive can't cure!
03:01 wizzyrea     ^.^
03:01 dcook        hehe
03:01 dcook        That's where the PHP comes in
03:02 dcook        Not pretty either :p
03:02 cjh          that would end well, a permanently solved cube :)
03:02 wizzyrea     rather, to use a kansas colloquialism, there's nothing brute force and ignorance can't achieve.
03:02 cjh          wizzyrea: kansas city motto?
03:02 * cjh        ducks
03:02 wizzyrea     no actually
03:02 wizzyrea     but
03:02 wizzyrea     the state motto *is*
03:02 wizzyrea     Ad Astra per Aspera
03:02 wizzyrea     or
03:03 wizzyrea     "To the stars, through difficulty"
03:03 cjh          heh
03:03 wizzyrea     doing it the hard way, every kansan's birthright.
03:03 dcook        hehe
03:03 dcook        Brute force and ignorance...that's what it could certainly turn into
03:03 wizzyrea     and if brute force and ignorance don't do it, then you get out the duct tape and baling wire.
03:03 dcook        Although...I have to say that the Library of Congress's spec on converting UNIMARC to MARC21 is top-notch
03:04 dcook        baling wire?
03:04 dcook        You don't use twine there?
03:04 cjh          wizzyrea: wd40, surely
03:04 wizzyrea     I'm sure you could use either
03:04 wizzyrea     wd40 doesn't hurt either.
03:04 wizzyrea     but only if the bolts are stuck.
03:05 * dcook      thinks bolts are indicators and wd40 is...
03:05 dcook        Darned metaphors..
03:08 dcook        Did I say LoC's spec was top-notch?
03:08 trea         hey edveal can you check something
03:08 dcook        I meant extraordinarily complicated and difficult to follow
03:08 edveal       tree sure can
03:13 * dcook      plots
03:13 dcook        Actually, maybe this isn't that bad
03:14 dcook        The "major" fields map over quite easily...besides punctuation, but you can always do punctuation after...
03:14 * dcook      has been thinking about creating a "AACR2 punctuation" script, so could always do a "whatever descriptive scheme punctuation Unimarc uses" script...
03:15 dcook        Yes, I have an English BA...can you tell?
03:56 rgbv         I've got a bunch of analytic records for articles that I've added, but I want them to be sortable by publication date that in 045$a and 773$g, anyone got any ideas about how to achieve this?
04:03 druthb       o/
04:24 cait         morning #koha
04:25 eythian      hello cait
04:25 wahanui      hello cait are you here?
04:25 eythian      wahanui: around the world is <reply>Around the world.
04:25 wahanui      OK, eythian.
04:26 * eythian    teaches wahanui daft punk songs
04:26 mtompset     around the world?
04:26 wahanui      Around the world.
04:26 * wizzyrea   waits for him to do harder faster better stronger
04:27 wizzyrea     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjR4_CbPpQ
04:27 wizzyrea     because I know you needed this
04:29 trea         heh
04:29 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
04:29 wizzyrea     later mtompset
04:31 eythian      wizzyrea: already should do.
04:31 eythian      work it
04:31 eythian      work it?
04:31 wahanui      make it
04:31 eythian      do it?
04:31 wahanui      makes us
04:31 eythian      harder?
04:31 wahanui      better
04:31 eythian      faster?
04:31 wahanui      stronger
04:31 wizzyrea     oh that's awesome
04:31 cait         :)
04:32 wizzyrea     eythian++
04:34 eythian      wahanui: applause
04:34 * wahanui    takes a bow.
04:34 dcook        eythian++
04:34 dcook        wahanui++
04:34 dcook        @karma wahanui
04:34 huginn       dcook: Karma for "wahanui" has been increased 17 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 17.
04:35 eythian      wahanui: status
04:35 wahanui      Since Fri Mar 22 01:54:09 2013, there have been 1142 modifications and 334 questions.  I have been awake for 33 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, 8 seconds this session, and currently reference 28000 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
04:35 dcook        Barely anything for such a hard working...entity
05:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #97 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
05:36 drojf        rangi++ # more koha \o/
05:36 drojf        also, good morning #koha
05:37 amitgupta_   hi all
05:37 amitgupta_   hi all
05:38 amitgupta_   cait around?
05:43 * magnuse    waves
05:45 drojf        hei magnuse
05:45 amitgupta_   hi magnuse
05:50 magnuse      hiya drojf and amitgupta_
05:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #97: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/97/
05:54 jenkins_koha D Ruth Bavousett: Language update for 3.10.5
05:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #302 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #302: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/302/
06:33 jenkins_koha D Ruth Bavousett: Language updates for 3.8.12
06:34 christophe_c hello #koha
06:34 rangi        hi christophe_c
06:34 christophe_c hello rangi
06:36 alex_a       bonjour
06:36 rangi        hi alex_a
06:36 alex_a       hi rangi
06:45 alohabot     Hi mib_cgsqw4, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
06:45 drojf        has anymib ever followed the nick changing part?
06:46 mib_cgsqw4   hi, is there a risk if i don't create basket group for my baskets?
06:46 rangi        a couple of people
06:48 reiveune     hello
06:48 wahanui      hey, reiveune
06:48 drojf        hi rangi
06:49 drojf        rangi: geeksphone finally opened the shop. and it crashed. and they closed it after a few hours because they were sold out :D
06:49 drojf        i hope they remembered to send some phones to mozilla…
06:51 eythian      Ours are apparently already at Mozilla somewhere.
06:51 drojf        how do you know?
06:52 eythian      I know someone at Mozilla :)
06:52 drojf        ah. excellent :) my last update from mozilla was more confusing than anything
06:53 eythian      Yeah, they took longer to produce than expected I think.
06:55 rangi        yay!
06:55 drojf        yes. no problem at all, besides the non-existing information politics of geeksphone, which is not mozilla's fault. but my last mail from mozilla from first week of april said "about two weeks and we will have the phones first week of april" which did not make any sense :D
06:57 eythian      heh
07:02 magnuse      stop making sense!
07:04 magnuse      eythian: any idea when you will do packages for 3.10.5?
07:04 eythian      dpkg-source: info: building koha in koha_3.08.12-1.tar.gz
07:04 eythian      sometime after that one :)
07:04 magnuse      hehe, nice
07:06 * magnuse    warns his customers about the upcoming upgrade
07:07 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Koha 3.10.5 released http://t.co/vpljIinxVm"
07:07 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Koha 3.8.12 released http://t.co/IQ0y6p6aTz"
07:07 cjh          \o/
07:07 magnuse      \o/
07:13 mtj          drojf, i secrectly consider alohabot's suggestion as a type of IQ test :p
07:17 eythian      magnuse: dpkg-source: info: building koha in koha_3.10.05-1.tar.gz
07:17 rangi        yay!
07:17 gaetan_B     hello
07:17 rangi        hi gaetan_B
07:18 rangi        and francharb
07:18 wahanui      francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
07:18 francharb    hi rangi !
07:18 gaetan_B     hi :)
07:18 magnuse      eythian: w00t! :-)
07:21 mtj          rangi++ eythian++ !!
07:21 drojf        mtj: lol
07:21 drojf        eythian++ # packages \o/
07:25 huginn       GERMS!!!!
07:25 wahanui      germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
07:25 kf           heh
07:26 kf           good morning #koha
07:26 eythian      hi kf
07:26 eythian      hey everybody, new packages published just now.
07:26 kf           eythian++ :)
07:26 kf           rangi++
07:27 dcook        eythian++
07:27 rangi        excellent
07:27 drojf        w00t
07:27 rangi        eythian: did you want to do a quick reply to my mail saying packages are updated?
07:28 eythian      yeah sure
07:28 rangi        thanks
07:29 eythian      done
07:29 * eythian    makes like a tree and gets outta here
07:32 rangi        :)
07:32 rangi        cya friday
07:35 magnuse      eythian++
07:38 cjh          eythian++ # awesome work on the packages
07:41 dcook        hehe
07:41 dcook        ta eythian
07:41 * dcook      is half tempted to try out the new packages tonight...
07:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #98 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:47 dcook        wizzyrea: The adhesive spray worked ;)
07:47 dcook        Hmm
07:48 dcook        Just a little bit more work on some mappings and some extra conditions...maybe some punctuation changes...and I'll have a "functional" UNIMARC -> MARC21 script
07:49 kf           dcook: hm maybe take a look at marcel's sru work
07:49 kf           there was a crosswalk from marc21 > unimarc and back made with xslt I think
07:49 * dcook      perks up
07:49 dcook        I'm intrigued
07:49 kf           it worked pretty nicely for me, but there wree some problems with unimarc installations so it got stuck
07:49 dcook        Although after slaving away for a little while, I think there are some tags which are almost impossible to migrate perfectly
07:50 kf           bug 6536
07:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6536 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing
07:50 kf           it's probably not very complete, but the idea is intriguing
07:50 kf           I think he wanted to break it up into different patches when there is some time
07:52 dcook        Hmm intriguing...thanks, kf :)
07:53 * magnuse    wonders if we should have an official plugin repository, with a qa process etc
07:53 rangi        bags not being in charge of that
07:53 magnuse      hehe
07:53 rangi        id be happier saying use these at your own risk
07:53 rangi        in big letters
07:54 rangi        and dont ask us if you have problems, ask the author of the plugin
07:54 magnuse      yeah, that is another option :-)
07:54 magnuse      good point
07:54 dcook        Agreed with rangi
07:54 dcook        I think that's usually how it's done, no?
07:55 dcook        Plus, we already have quite a bit of work, no? ;)
07:55 * dcook      looks at the bugs to be signed off
07:55 dcook        Back up to 28? It was almost into the teens..
07:55 magnuse      yeah, too much work to do...
07:55 * kf         looks at the bugs to be QA'd
07:55 kf           i think the question is
07:55 kf           if some of the plugins would make sense as core features
07:55 kf           and leave the plugins to really specific things
07:56 * magnuse    hopes someone with unimarc knowledge will have some time to do sign offs soon...
07:56 amitgupta_   heya kf
07:56 rangi        yeah im kinda stuck ive signed off about all i can but there are a ton of unimarc ones
07:56 magnuse      rangi++
07:56 kf           hm maybe mailing list?
07:56 dcook        Hmm, good question about what Marcel has written here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Z3950_RFC
07:57 dcook        Currently, there is no XSL that handles UNIMARC -> MARC21 or MARC21 -> UNIMARC conversions in Koha, right?
07:57 magnuse      rangi: you could have a look at bug 9804 if yo uare bored ;-)
07:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9804 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml
07:57 dcook        I assume BibLibre has their MARC21 -> UNIMARC XSLT in their repo
07:58 dcook        rangi: I know what you mean. I've had a few chances over the past week or two to do some bug busting, but so many unimarc ones :/
07:58 dcook        rangi++
07:58 dcook        Awesome efforts though :D
07:58 kf           extra cookies for someone making a list of problematic things that needs testing by a unimarcuser? :)
07:58 rangi        ill have a look magnuse
07:59 drojf        extra cookies for someone learning unimarc to test all the stuff ;)
08:00 rangi        we should use more marc
08:00 wahanui      http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
08:00 rangi        thats my answer to that idea drojf
08:00 drojf        :)
08:00 dcook        hehe
08:00 drojf        we need a "how about yes"-bear called marc
08:01 magnuse      hehe
08:01 magnuse      drojf: noooo...
08:03 dcook        While I've found my 2 day experience with unimarc to be...interesting...I'm not sure I'd want to learn the whole encoding ;)
08:05 rangi        RDA
08:05 rangi        RDA?
08:05 * wahanui    huh, good god y'all, what is it good for, absolutely nothing
08:05 drojf        lol
08:05 rangi        my work here is done
08:05 wahanui      i already had it that way, rangi.
08:06 kf           :)
08:07 dcook        lol
08:10 rangi        i did training with 4 senior librarians yesterday, 2 of whom had been to RDA training, they had no idea what use it was either
08:10 cjh          heh
08:10 magnuse      hehe, that is good to hear ;-)
08:11 dcook        I got training from an RDA instructor who pretty much just repeated whatever they had said if you asked them a question they couldn't answer
08:11 dcook        We heard the same thing over and over again a lot...
08:11 dcook        It'll be better! Be...because!
08:12 magnuse      hehe
08:13 rangi        there we go, that was an easy signoff
08:15 drojf        rangi: if you are looking for a less easy signoff i could offer you bug 9972 ;)
08:15 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM)
08:17 * drojf      leaves for non-koha work
08:17 drojf        later
08:20 magnuse      thanks rangi - not a very inetersting bug, but consistency is good, i guess :-)
08:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #98: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/98/
08:23 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 7358: reaffect a closed basket to a closed basketgroup
08:23 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9049: Don't use shadow with rebuild_zebra -r
08:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7358 normal, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , basket.pl : it is possible to affect a closed basket to a  closed basketgroup
08:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9049 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , rebuild_zebra should not use shadow when called with -r
08:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #99 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:20 rangi        magnuse: would you like bug 9213 in 3.10.x ?
09:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT
09:21 magnuse      rangi: sure, if it applies
09:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #99: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/99/
09:22 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 9330: title field empty when duplicating a patron
09:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9556: fix setting messaging prefs when changing patron category
09:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9330 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Patron duplication : should duplicate with empty title (salutation field)
09:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9556 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Changing patron category does not fully update patron messaging preferences
09:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #100 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:25 rangi        there we go
09:31 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @andisugandi: "Upgrade time? :) "@kohails: #kohails  Koha 3.10.5 released http://t.co/aAV1gsksr5""
09:33 amitgupta_   bug 10013
09:33 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10013 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amit.gupta, Needs Signoff , Ability to link directly from an item in the Staff client to budget information.
09:35 magnuse      thanks rangi
09:43 rangi        *sigh*
10:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #100: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/100/
10:03 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9392: confirmation does not appear for negative notforloan items issues
10:03 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds
10:03 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds - QA Followup
10:03 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9608 - White background on header on check in
10:03 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9555: Another template contains single quotes in a js string
10:03 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9035 - delete bulkauthimport.pl
10:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9392 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , confirmation does not appear for negative notforloan items issues
10:03 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords
10:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent holds
10:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9608 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , white background on header on check in
10:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9555 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Template files contain single quote strings
10:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9035 trivial, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , remove deprecated 'bulkauthimport.pl' file
10:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9019 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI: GetRecords should return item fields in marcxml
10:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #303 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #303: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/303/
10:41 jenkins_koha Julian Maurice: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords
10:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9019 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI: GetRecords should return item fields in marcxml
10:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #101 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
11:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #101: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/101/
11:23 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9213 - Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT
11:23 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 7241: circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number
11:23 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 7241 follow-up: DB changes
11:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT
11:23 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 7241, follow-up: viewlog link for circulation
11:23 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9759: last subfield can be deleted
11:23 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9720 : uninitialized value warnings in circulation
11:23 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9720 : uninitialized value warnings in circulation (followup 1)
11:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7241 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number
11:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9759 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , last subfield can be deleted
11:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9720 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , uninitialized value warnings in circulation
11:44 amitgupta_   heya NateC
11:45 NateC        Hiya amitgupta_
12:11 kf           hi matts
12:11 matts        hi !
12:11 kf           :)
12:14 amitgupta_   heya kf, matts
12:18 * drojf      yawns
12:19 oleonard     Post-lunch nap drojf?
12:20 drojf        oh that would be great :D
12:20 drojf        right under the desk
12:21 jcamins      Guys, there was nothing in the PQA queue two days ago.
12:21 jcamins      This is getting absurd.
12:21 jcamins      :P
12:22 drojf        jcamins: QA ist too strict? :P
12:22 jcamins      Actually, I was thinking that QA was too busy.
12:24 drojf        ah, there is a lot now, but there was nothing two days ago. sorry, slow brain. as usual ;)
12:24 jcamins      Probably your brain was overwhelmed by patches.
12:25 jcamins      Hey, has anyone else noticed that the PDF generation in acquisitions is dreadful?
12:25 drojf        right now my brain is overwhelmed by the stupidity of filemaker
12:25 jcamins      Ooh, that'll do it.
12:26 oleonard     jcamins: I try to stay away from PDF generation everywhere
12:26 jcamins      Wise.
12:26 drojf        i can hear my brain cells killing themselves. i imagine them like in the old lemmings pc game, happily jumping off a cliff one after the other
12:27 drojf        @seen mveron
12:27 huginn       drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 5 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <mveron> cait ++
12:28 drojf        i think mveron works with pdf somethings when he is not doing koha. don't know if generation is a part of it
12:40 tcohen       morning #koha
12:40 jcamins      How do I generate an acquisitions PDF?
12:42 tcohen       hi kf
12:48 jcamins      Could someone please take a look at a closed invoice in acquisitions and see if the reopen checkbox is in the right place?
12:49 oleonard     It is not
12:49 * oleonard   grumbles
12:51 oleonard     Small markup error. I'll send a patch.
12:51 jcamins      Thanks.
12:52 magnuse      oleonard++
12:53 libsysguy    man jcamins is really getting through with the "Patches are welcome" statement
12:57 jcamins      lol
12:58 oleonard     Bug 10106
12:58 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10106 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Markup error causing misplacement of "reopen" checkbox on invoice edit screen
12:58 jcamins      oleonard++
12:59 oleonard     These newfangled bug numbers take too long to type.
13:00 libsysguy    truncate the table?
13:00 libsysguy    jk, nobody get any ideas with that one
13:05 jcamins      Well, that took way longer than I anticipated.
13:08 druthb       o/
13:08 libsysguy    \o
13:09 * druthb     offers libsysguy a donut hole.
13:09 * libsysguy  sigh
13:09 druthb       muahahaha
13:09 libsysguy    I don't think my wiggly belly would appreciate that
13:09 druthb       *snrk*
13:40 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9804' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5709c00988bfd8c401d07d52b5925c105a61072> / Bug 9804 - Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e4851fa406eb7b5c831c158faa5f83caf723c2a> / Merge branch 'bug_9903' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=54ab
13:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #12 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:04 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @martinhathaway: "Installed my first library system this morning. I'm now the proud owner of a #KohaILS. Another victory for open-source software."
14:04 oleonard     Joubu: Your proposal to use the ColVis plugin modifies the default dataTables configuration? Does that mean the column chooser is going to appear by default on some tables?
14:06 * oleonard   has not found instances where it does
14:10 tcohen       oleonard, in the search results page, the code that adds stuff to a list is the same for a bookbag?
14:10 tcohen       i'm confused by the mixed terminology
14:11 oleonard     What are you trying to do?
14:12 tcohen       i found a bug, that prevents adding stuff to a list if opacbookbag is not enabled
14:12 tcohen       and learned that lists are named virtualshelves in the code!
14:12 tcohen       not sure about that thou
14:13 oleonard     Yeah, that was the original term. Just like basket became bookbag became cart.
14:13 tcohen       i found the bug in 3.8, and master exposes the same behaviour
14:15 tcohen       is this a bug or a feature oleonard?
14:16 Joubu        oleonard: If the colvis script is not loaded, there is no change on the page. Obviously the sDom modification has no effect.
14:16 oleonard     tcohen: It is a bug. Lists should work even if opacbookbag is turned off.
14:16 tcohen       ok, filling a bug then
14:16 tcohen       i'm looking at the code and the problem its clear
14:17 oleonard     Joubu: Ah, I understand. I like the way it works, although I think I would prefer that the "show/hide" button work on click rather than hover
14:19 Joubu        oleonard: yep me too. I added it in order to show some options.
14:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #12: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/12/
14:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to #
14:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to No.
14:19 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10023 follow-up: Remove the last occurrences of N[degree sign]
14:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10023 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , degree notation in acq
14:19 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9903 - Sort by date broken on patron detail page
14:19 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9903: Followup: use the KohaDates T::T plugin to display dates.
14:19 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9804 - Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml
14:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9903 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort by date broken on patron detail page
14:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9804 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml
14:19 oleonard     Joubu: Does it remember your choice from session to session? I didn't test that.
14:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1147 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:19 Joubu        oleonard: no, I don't think so
14:20 oleonard     I like that feature of my implementation. I don't know if anyone else does :)
14:21 Joubu        oleonard: It was what I mean by "configuration page for all tables in Koha". It is possible to specify a columns list to hide/show.
14:22 Joubu        oleonard: But it is not easy at all to implement your way for all tables in Koha.
14:22 oleonard     Joubu: True.
14:23 oleonard     Joubu: How would it work to set the configuration for all tables in Koha?
14:23 Joubu        oleonard: At the moment, Colvis is just an idea. I will try to imagine something elegant.
14:23 Joubu        I don't know :)
14:24 oleonard     Joubu: I think it's worth pursuing.
14:25 Joubu        It's an hazy thing in my brain...
14:26 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
14:28 oleonard     tcohen: Are you working on a patch for Bug 10107 or should I?
14:28 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10107 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , opacbookbag shouldn't prevent from adding items to a list in the OPAC
14:29 tcohen       i was starting to do it
14:29 oleonard     Okay, great.
14:29 tcohen       i havent' tested if its present in ccsr thu
14:31 gaetan_B     bye !
14:43 tcohen       oh, ccsr and prog share a lot oleonard!
14:43 * tcohen     is learning a lot this days
14:44 mtompset     Okay, I'm still learning git... let's say I have a bunch of changes in branch bug_shib which was based on origin/master, but more changes have been pushed through on origin/master. How do I not lose my changes, but make sure that I get the latest version of everything?
14:46 maximep      you can either merge master back on bug_shib or rebase bug_shib on master
14:50 tcohen       done oleonard
14:56 oleonard     Thanks tcohen. A lot of that logic dates back to before we could even use operators like || with template tags, so it could get messy. I'm surprised this bug hasn't been noticed sooner.
14:57 tcohen       i understand oleonard
14:58 tcohen       I think we'll be better by the tie we have more templates, and less logic inside of them
14:59 oleonard     Do you have an example of what you're thinking of tcohen?
14:59 mtompset     less logic in templates. Good idea. :)
15:00 mtompset     though, I think that should be qualified as BUSINESS logic. obviously UI logic may be required. :)
15:00 * mtompset   is just thinking out loud.
15:00 tcohen       i see big IF blocks everywhere
15:01 tcohen       and sometimes have the feeling we should have separate, simpler templates for different scenarios
15:01 mtompset     Yes, but I think some of those IF blocks are related to display issues, not business logic.
15:02 tcohen       i have the same feeling about stuff like addbooks.pl
15:02 tcohen       is not personal :-P
15:03 mtompset     Do you mean that addbooks.pl has too much overloading in that it does this and that for multiple situations which could better be defined by a .pm with cleanly separated .pl's?
15:04 tcohen       add_book.pl, del_book.pl and so own should exist
15:04 reiveune     ++
15:05 mtompset     Ah, just teasing out the functions which have all been jammed into out .pl into other smaller, clearer .pl's.
15:05 tcohen       s/w//
15:06 mtompset     ^out^one^
15:06 tcohen       the thing is that this complexity is <past tense for 'mimic'> by the templates
15:08 kf           like owen explained
15:09 kf           a lot of the more insane if structures can be explained by not having the option to do it otherwise with htp
15:09 kf           maybe cleaning up some files and pl one afte the other would help here
15:14 mtompset     how does git stash work?
15:14 oleonard     It lets you set aside a change you've made without making a commit
15:14 oleonard     git stash save <name for the stash>
15:14 mtompset     my bug_shib includes changes to C4/Auth, and I'm getting an "error" (really a warning) that I can't "git rebase origin/master", because my C4/Auth changes would be lost.
15:15 oleonard     Sounds like you haven't committed all your changes
15:15 tcohen       why dont you commit them?
15:15 mtompset     I haven't done any commits.
15:15 oleonard     You have to commit your changes before you can rebase
15:16 tcohen       rebase takes your commits out, forwards to origin/master's HEAD and tries to apply your patches on top of it
15:18 mtompset     GAH! now I'm into messy territory.
15:18 tcohen       Mimicked
15:18 mtompset     merge conflicts.
15:19 oleonard     Nothing to do but sort them out mtompset
15:21 mtompset     This is the part of git I really haven't figured out.
15:23 oleonard     What part mtompset? Ask a question if you need help with something specific.
15:23 tcohen       mtompset: when it said merge confilcts, it told you what files have conflicts
15:23 tcohen       you have to open those files and look for the conflict
15:23 mtompset     True. I know what file. The question is how do I know where the conflicts are?
15:23 tcohen       search for <<<
15:24 mtompset     AH! Okay, that should be easy enough.
15:24 tcohen       there's a block
15:24 tcohen       <<<
15:24 tcohen       master
15:24 tcohen       ===
15:24 tcohen       your_commit
15:24 tcohen       >>>
15:25 mtompset     Right, so do I merely fix the bad section and do some git command?
15:25 tcohen       exactly
15:25 tcohen       remove those marks too of course (<<< == >>>)
15:25 tcohen       then git add
15:26 tcohen       git add C4/Auth.pm
15:26 tcohen       and git rebase --continue
15:26 tcohen       (maybe someone correct me)
15:26 mtompset     Oh, so fix the file completely?
15:26 mtompset     The sections get removed with what it should be?
15:26 mtompset     (i.e. no more <<< parts)
15:27 oleonard     mtompset: Everything between the <<< and >>> must be manually merged, and the markers removed.
15:27 tcohen       http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.html#Basic-Merge-Conflicts
15:27 tcohen       merge conflicts: http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.html#Basic-Merge-Conflicts
15:28 oleonard     mtompset: So if your code can fully replace the code marked as HEAD, just delete that section. If HEAD contained something yours lacks, you must merge them.
15:28 tcohen       hmm, i guess wahanui only learns at noon, nz tz
15:28 mtompset     merge conflicts?
15:28 mtompset     wahanui: merge conflicts is http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.html#Basic-Merge-Conflicts
15:28 wahanui      OK, mtompset.
15:29 oleonard     Did someone say there was a way to do a git blame which excluded whitespace changes?
15:29 mtompset     merge conflicts?
15:29 wahanui      merge conflicts is probably http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.html#Basic-Merge-Conflicts
15:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1147: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1147/
15:29 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to #
15:29 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to No.
15:29 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10023 follow-up: Remove the last occurrences of N[degree sign]
15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9903 - Sort by date broken on patron detail page
15:29 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9903: Followup: use the KohaDates T::T plugin to display dates.
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10023 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , degree notation in acq
15:29 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9804 - Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9903 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort by date broken on patron detail page
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9804 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml
15:31 oleonard     Looks to me like Bug 7732 has resurfaced.
15:31 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7732 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Restoring "More lists" in the Add-to combo of OPAC Search Results
15:31 mtompset     probably patched in one version, but never made it to master?
15:34 mtompset     Thanks tcohen, oleonard, and maximep. I think I got it done. :)
15:39 tcohen       technical perl question: if I inherit from a class, how should I export the desired methods in my own class?
15:42 slef         I'd check man perlboot but I think you add them to @EXPORT_OK
15:43 slef         man Exporter, rather
15:48 kf           hm
15:49 kf           the way we do bibtex export is kinda weird
15:49 kf           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Record.pm;h=be1912c0d8cab0f8b7156f6be4f40b236c82c60d;hb=f355da2e86810fef47442b7effeffa3686bd79bb
15:50 kf           wouldn't using xslt or something be easier?
15:54 mtompset     Okay, back to figuring out why the href is blank in this patch.
16:02 amitgupta_   brendan around?
16:10 * druthb     waves to melia.
16:10 melia        hi druthb
16:13 gmcharlt     @quote random
16:13 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011)
16:13 kf           @quote random
16:13 huginn       kf: Quote #206: "There's a bug for that" (added by chrisc at 11:55 PM, May 24, 2012)
16:13 kf           hi gmcharlt :)
16:13 gmcharlt     hi kf!
16:33 jcamins      kf: if you prefer a more imperative style of export, I've heard of this thing called Template::Plugin::MARC.
16:33 kf           :)
16:34 jcamins      The author is pretty cool, too.
16:36 jcamins      Though if he did that again, he'd probably use mustache instead of T::T, thus eliminating much of the parsing.
16:37 jcamins      (and less work is always good)
16:37 kf           slef: wondering... has something bad happened to the nice lists of old bugs you sent out? :)
16:37 libsysguy    true, unless it means more work later
16:37 libsysguy    then I will always take more work upfront
16:38 amitgupta_   heya gmcharlt
16:38 wahanui      gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
16:38 gmcharlt     hi amitgupta_
16:38 jcamins      libsysguy: right, but using mustache would have been less work later. :(
16:38 jcamins      Fortunately it works, so that's enough.
16:39 jcamins      Still, I hate it when I learn that I spent lots of time working on an already-solved problem.
16:40 libsysguy    I'm going to look at your sauce
16:41 libsysguy    ah yes now I remember how much I hated marc
16:41 libsysguy    thanks for that
16:41 jcamins      lol
16:41 jcamins      You're welcome.
16:45 * druthb     needs a new hobby, and will port Koha onto the MicroVax platform, just for funsies. (naaaah!)
16:46 * druthb     found one on eBay, boots to a login prompt, with a whopping 426MB drive.
16:46 jcamins      Да нет! Коха слышком огромный! Библионарратор за МикроВах!
16:47 kf           i wish I had paid better attention to my russian lessons...
16:47 kf           yes no?
16:47 wahanui      http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif
16:47 druthb       lol
16:47 jcamins      (Oh no! Koha is too big! Biblionarrator for MicroVax!)
16:47 kf           koha.... something something...
16:48 kf           oh sa...of course
16:48 kf           time to leave :)
16:48 kf           bbl :)
16:49 * druthb     remembers when the *blazingly fast* Alpha 466Mhz processors came out.
16:49 druthb       The shop I was at was *stoked*, as it'd be a huge improvement.  64 bit!  and *tons* more horsepower than our VAXServer 4100.
16:49 amitgupta_   heya druthb
16:50 druthb       Hi, amitgupta_. :)
16:50 jcamins      Hehe.
16:51 druthb       For many years, the Indian Railway—which is *still* a VMS customer—had the server that held the record for uptime—no reboots in fourteen years or some such.  That's one thing I'll give VMS.  Serious uptime, hard to kill.
16:52 alphaman     I've got some old Alphas in my garage...
16:52 alphaman     if you couldn't tell by my handle… :)
16:53 druthb       The library I was at got their first Alpha (a 2100, pedestal, with dual CPUs) in…hm.  1993 or 4?  Something like that.
16:53 libsysguy    I would have gone with alpha_male alphaman
16:53 alphaman     lol — it was an internal DEC marketing spoof, and it stuck with me since the early '90s...
16:53 libsysguy    I want to know what wizzyrea is going to do with that raspberry pi box
16:54 alphaman     2100 came out in 95.
16:54 libsysguy    alphaman I got libsysguy from nengard when she came to do my libraries training
16:54 druthb       yeah.  I'd not been there too long when we got that box and migrated from our old system.
16:54 alphaman     well, maybe late 94
16:55 druthb       I wouldn't mind getting a little alpha box to fiddle around on some time.  Pull in some of the old games, and putz around with this and that, just to see if I can
16:56 jcamins      druthb: how much? I can't believe there'd be that many bids.
16:56 alphaman     there's a free emulator you can get, runs on Windows, but I think it can be built on Mac or LInux, too
16:56 alphaman     <scratches head, trying to remember name>
16:56 druthb       That'd be slick, alphaman.  I'll poke around.
16:57 druthb       jcamins:  Such hardware does occasionally get bids.  This older 32-bit MV was priced at 350 Buy-it-now.
16:57 alphaman     there are also for$$$ emulators for both VAXen and Alphas. commercial grade stuff.
16:58 alphaman     I sold a pallet full of systems to a reseller in the Pacific NW last year, to clear out my garage when I moved.
16:58 alphaman     but I kept my favorites: a DS10L rack mount 2U system, and a PC164RX running NT.
17:00 alphaman     the RX was a prototype, that never saw the light of day. Only a couple dozen were built, and I was lucky to have one donated to my website.
17:00 * tcohen     is back online
17:00 druthb       I never worked with a DS-series box, but heard good things about 'em.
17:01 druthb       Last VMS shop I was at used AS4100s, rackmounts, with a *few* running Tru64.
17:02 * jcamins    never used VMS.
17:02 alphaman     So, you gonna port Koha using VMS or Tru64?
17:02 jcamins      He's happy with that.
17:02 alphaman     VMS has a port of Perl 5.whatever...
17:03 druthb       *snort*  You could *theoretically* get it working on Tru64, if you can get Zebra breathing.
17:03 alphaman     lol
17:03 druthb       Getting Zebra healthy on VMS?…that'd be a trip.
17:04 alphaman     I too much of a n00b w/ Koha  (I'm learning, here) — is Zebra in .pl too?
17:04 jcamins      Nope.
17:04 jcamins      C.
17:04 alphaman     there's a C portability library for VMS that might help.
17:04 druthb       The problem would probably lie in the territory of how it thinks about filesystems.  VMS is Just Really Different.
17:04 alphaman     but yeah, no small task.
17:05 alphaman     the library would isolate that to a great extent, fortunately
17:05 gmcharlt     am I remembering correctly that VMS does file versioning by default?
17:05 druthb       It does, gmcharlt.
17:06 alphaman     yup
17:06 alphaman     up to 32,767 versions
17:07 alphaman     Updated version of free Alphaserver emulator for Windows available: http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=13/02/05/0029831
17:07 druthb       I took the two-week Internals class from DEC in '95.   Oodles of fun, that.
17:08 alphaman     hardcore
17:10 druthb       yeah, it was a lot of fun.  The teacher challenged us each day to try to break his box before he got there in the morning, using hardcore tricks.  VMS being kind of hard to hack, this was a hefty challenge that eluded most of the class
17:10 jcamins      druthb: ... but you taught it MARC and got extra credit?
17:10 jcamins      :P
17:10 druthb       ….until some person (a #koha geek, lately) stole his power-supply and put an empty PS chassis in the box in its' place.
17:10 alphaman     aha! SIMH, originally written by Bill Ackerman, IIRC: http://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/
17:11 druthb       ooo…that'll do the oldy moldy stuff…. PDP!
17:11 alphaman     or maybe it was Bob Supnik.
17:12 libsysguy    agh I am almost at my prime http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-industry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
17:13 druthb       ITS?  wowie.
17:13 * druthb     is feeling her age...
17:14 * libsysguy  is too
17:14 * alphaman   too
17:14 druthb       *snrk*
17:14 libsysguy    btw thats my picture in the article :p
17:14 libsysguy    hehe
17:14 druthb       libsysguy is just a baby.
17:14 alphaman     I thought it was the old dancing baby from the 90s
17:15 gmcharlt     key line from that article: "The young can easily pull all-nighters."
17:15 gmcharlt     i.e., they are willing to be exploited
17:16 libsysguy    ^^
17:17 vfernandes   hi
17:17 wahanui      hello, vfernandes
17:17 vfernandes   one question: it's possible to redirect in a new page directly to OPAC in X language?
17:18 jcamins      There is a patch for that.
17:19 vfernandes   its a bug open?
17:19 jcamins      Yes.
17:19 jcamins      You can search for it.
17:19 jcamins      @query language
17:19 huginn       jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug
17:19 huginn       jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ...
17:19 huginn       jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8783 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Parentheses not escaped properly in queries when using XSLT
17:19 huginn       jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7541 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , News items won't display for translated dialects
17:19 huginn       jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add system preference for customization of the OPAC login page
17:19 jcamins      @query opac language
17:20 huginn       jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug
17:20 huginn       jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8783 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Parentheses not escaped properly in queries when using XSLT
17:20 huginn       jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7541 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , News items won't display for translated dialects
17:20 huginn       jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add system preference for customization of the OPAC login page
17:20 huginn       jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9018 normal, P5 - low, ---, druthb, NEW , Po file for ccsr theme missing on translate.koha-community.org
17:20 jcamins      Oh well.
17:20 jcamins      tcohen: do you have the bug number?
17:20 vfernandes   bug 9725
17:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9725 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add support to notices for hourly loans
17:21 vfernandes   bug 9735
17:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Choose language using URL parameters in any page
17:21 jcamins      That's the one.
17:22 vfernandes   that's it :)
17:22 tcohen       i like that one :-D
17:35 amitgupta_   good night all...
17:35 oleonard     I felt my ears burning earlier. Turns out it was when you guys were talking about middle-aged programmers...
17:35 tcohen       bye amitgupta_
17:37 druthb       *snrk*
17:37 tcohen       alphaman: you can run the zebra server in a separate server anyway ;)
17:37 druthb       oleonard, you're not middle-aged yet!
17:37 oleonard     I dunno, what counts?
17:37 alphaman     makes sense.
17:37 druthb       Knowing how to sysadmin a DRA Classic box would count.
17:38 oleonard     In that case I'll be young forever
17:38 alphaman     Used to be a port of MySQL available. Not sure if Oracle quashed that dev or not...
17:38 druthb       See, the kick with porting (most anything) to VAX VMS,  is that on those boxes, 32 MB of RAM was considered a *lot*.
17:38 druthb       You'd almost have to do it on Alpha.
17:39 alphaman     Yeah, but it was CISC. Fewer instructions, smaller code.
17:39 tcohen       RISC?
17:39 alphaman     Alpha was RISC.
17:40 alphaman     A VAX could do in one instruction what it might take dozens on an Alpha.
17:40 druthb       alphaman, you tempt me.  I did get Koha running on a little Asus Eee 900 during KohaCon '09, mostly to see if I could.
17:40 alphaman     But the Alpha could pipeline 'em, and ran *much* faster
17:40 druthb       SIMH emulates an MV 3900, so it's *possible*, maybe.
17:41 alphaman     sign of a true hacker: "to see if I could"
17:41 druthb       Half a gig of RAM, and a 4 gig SSHD.  It ran *hog slow*, but it ran, and I could search for my (two) biblios.
17:42 alphaman     half a gig of RAM and a 4 gig SCSI disk — sounds like one of my old Alphas… :)
17:42 druthb       heh
17:43 tcohen       how are we testing CGI-related stuff?
17:44 tcohen       (at lib-level)
17:44 jcamins      tcohen: with the unit tests you're just about to write? :)
17:45 tcohen       heh, do u work for the CIA or smth?
17:45 druthb       He's *way* too smart for that
17:45 jcamins      I could tell you, but if I told you I'd have to kill you. :P
17:45 tcohen       :-P
17:48 alphaman     errmuhgawsh, I've got a VAX on my Mac… (just downloaded SIMH)
17:48 jcamins      Hehe.
17:48 druthb       hehehehe
17:49 alphaman     gotta go home and see if I still have a VAX/OpenVMS kit lying around
18:06 oleonard     jcamins: Did I hear you say you use mustache?
18:07 jcamins      oleonard: I have not been, but I'm thinking I might start.
18:07 jcamins      It would've been perfect for Template::Plugin::MARC.
18:07 jcamins      Have you used it?
18:08 oleonard     No, but whenever I look at templates like oapc-results.tt and its huge swaths of JS building HTML I think maybe I should
18:08 oleonard     I keep thinking it would help us keep JS separate from templates and still be able to keep translators happy, but I don't know if that's right
18:10 tcohen       translators should *Always* be happy
18:10 tcohen       and no, I don't think a mustache will fit your face jcamins :-P
18:11 jcamins      Hehe.
18:11 jcamins      oleonard: I'll be changing to either mustache or twig for Biblionarrator, though, and I'm leaning toward mustache because it's more cross-platform.
18:11 oleonard     But you're looking at the Perl version?
18:12 jcamins      PHP.
18:12 oleonard     Oh is that what Biblionarrator is written in?
18:12 jcamins      Yup.
18:21 oleonard     We do a lot of template processing inside JavaScript. I wonder if it would be better to make it more abstract and not worry about the increased amount of JS that might be loaded as a result
18:21 jcamins      I would tend to think it would be.
18:22 oleonard     for instance: Go ahead and load JS relevent to the Cart even if it isn't enabled for the sake of being able to move it out of the .tt file
18:23 jcamins      Agreed.
18:23 jcamins      We could minify all our JS, and it would all be cached anyway.
18:24 oleonard     *sigh* So much to learn, so much to do...
18:25 oleonard     I'm making so many changes to the OPAC for the redesign I want to change ALL THE THINGS
18:28 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Serial Subscriptions in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/AO3QP5V6E4 #kohails"
18:36 mtompset     okay, next git question. How do I know what tags exist, such that I could create a branch based on something ancient (3.0.x for example)?
18:37 gmcharlt     mtompset: git tag -l
18:38 mtompset     thanks, gmcharlt!
18:38 mtompset     gmcharlt++
18:44 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Texas Library Conference http://t.co/txRW57Rmbu #kohails"
18:44 tcohen       bye #koha
18:45 cait         bye tcohen
18:45 mtompset     okay, I'm confused. I thought that "git checkout -b new_branch vtag" would have "deleted" files created on the existing branch.
18:45 oleonard     It would if those files were added and committed.
18:46 oleonard     mtompset: Did you "git add" the files you added?
18:46 mtompset     that was the previous commit before trying to rebase with master.
18:47 mtompset     I'll git add, commit, and retry again.
18:48 mtompset     Ah, okay... file "gone". :)
18:59 alohabot     Hi mib_npqy25, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
19:00 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @wizzyrea: "I wish we had never added local hold to #kohails #rpt"
19:00 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Serial Subscriptions in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/ENpRVmHxiW"
19:01 jcamins      wizzyrea: what's wrong with local holds?
19:01 oleonard     wizzyrea: ?
19:03 jcamins      oleonard: BTW, what was your response to rangi's suggestion about LESS?
19:04 mtompset     "Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 3 commits." -- is that referring to the commits I made before making other branches?
19:04 jcamins      It is referring to whatever commits are in that branch that are not in master.
19:04 oleonard     I'm giving it a try jcamins. Not sure how it's going to fit into the workflow, or where the less file should live.
19:05 oleonard     Theoretically we should have a whole "build" folder in the templates for stuff that gets compiled and processed
19:09 phasefx      hey folks, I'm a relative newbie, mostly familiar with Evergreen.  if in Koha search results a record is described one way (say, a physical description that mentions 6 videocassettes), but the MARC record was actually changed and it should be 3 dvd's, and you only see that when you go into the record details page, what could be causing that?  Actual item information is also off
19:12 jcamins      phasefx: the Zebra index has fallen behind.
19:13 jcamins      Run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z (-x) if it isn't in your cron.
19:13 jcamins      Or wait another few minutes and it'll catch up when the cron job fires.
19:13 phasefx      jcamins++  is this abnormal?
19:13 cait         what he said :)
19:13 jcamins      Nope.
19:14 jcamins      oleonard: this is what I did with developing vs production and LESS: https://github.com/jcamins/biblionarrator/blob/master/application/views/layouts/main.blade.php#L14
19:16 oleonard     Oh, on-the-fly compiling if you're in "dev mode" ?
19:17 jcamins      Yep.
19:17 jcamins      Made it easier.
19:18 phasefx      jcamins: cait: that did the trick, thanks!
19:18 cait         jcamins++
19:24 oleonard     jcamins: Are you using a PHP framework for Biblionarrator?
19:24 jcamins      Yeah, Laravel.
19:25 oleonard     Hunh, haven't heard of that.
19:25 oleonard     Why did you choose that?
19:25 jcamins      A friend recommended it.
19:25 jcamins      It's really nice, actually.
19:26 oleonard     Had you worked under MVC before?
19:27 jcamins      Not a lot.
19:27 jcamins      Played around with it, of course, but no major projects.
19:27 oleonard     I've only read up on it
19:30 jcamins      It's a really good idea.
19:35 oleonard     rangi wasn't here for 3 minutes! That was scary.
19:35 cait         lol
19:35 cait         yes
19:59 oleonard     I'm re-indenting the hell out of these OPAC templates.
20:00 oleonard     Sorry, or you're welcome, depending on your point of view.
20:02 druthb       oleonard++
20:04 cait         oleonard: go for it :)
20:05 jcamins      oleonard: might as well.
20:05 jcamins      And now is the time to do it.
20:05 rangi        yeah git log and diff can ignore the whitespace changes
20:06 jcamins      No changes to get in the way during string freeze so you have ~1.25 months.
20:07 rangi        git blame -w
20:07 cait         morning rangi
20:07 rangi        so you can still see the actual changes
20:07 oleonard     Short for "git blame -why-on-earth-did-you-do-that"
20:07 cait         hehe
20:08 rangi        hehe more ignore whitespace
20:15 oleonard     See you later #koha.
20:15 * drojf      peeks in
20:15 cait         hey drojf
20:16 druthb       hi, drojf! :)
20:17 drojf        hey that was fun
20:17 drojf        like a revolving door
20:17 drojf        hi cait and druthb (i see you in the log)
20:17 druthb       :P
20:20 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @KiwiLibrarian: "@martinhathaway @ranginui We love Koha here in South Taranaki. Enjoy. #KohaILS"
20:27 alohabot     Hi mib_2zml2n, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
20:36 * mtompset   waves bye.
20:39 jcamins      nengard: those weren't added yesterday?
20:39 nengard      ??
20:39 jcamins      Wait.
20:39 jcamins      This morning.
20:39 nengard      what are we talking about?
20:39 nengard      my bug report?
20:39 nengard      or something else
20:39 jcamins      I pushed a patch updating MARC21 frameworks to Update 15.
20:40 jcamins      The bug report.
20:40 nengard      oh? oooo
20:40 nengard      let me check
20:40 nengard      i might have done my pull too early this morning
20:41 jcamins      I'm not sure- I didn't check.
20:42 jcamins      I just spot-checked a few codes.
20:47 nengard      jcamins looks good to me!
20:47 nengard      thanks
20:49 jcamins      I love it when that happens.
20:55 cait         night all :)
21:10 * magnuse    yawns
21:15 drojf        group yawn!
21:16 magnuse      :-)
21:16 * magnuse    can't wait to upgrade to a koha version that incorporates bug 9172
21:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
21:17 rangi        not long now :)
21:17 magnuse      w00t! :-)
21:18 magnuse      rangi: planning to have it in 3.10.x?
21:18 rangi        probably not, but 3.12.0 is only a month away :)
21:19 jcamins      Not so good for backporting.
21:20 magnuse      no problem
21:20 magnuse      i will upgrade quickly to 3.12.x i think
21:21 magnuse      just did 3.10.4 -> 3.10.5, in 12 minutes, most of which was spent shuffling tiny_mce files around
21:21 rangi        *nod*
21:22 rangi        under 10 minutes for a point upgrade is what i aim for
21:22 magnuse      (because i updated the templates/installed 2 translations)
21:22 rangi        so there is not excuse to use versions with bugs/security issues
21:23 jcamins      There are many excuses.
21:23 jcamins      Just none good.
21:23 rangi        :)
21:23 magnuse      the upgrade itself took 2 minutes, tops. for 48 instances
21:23 rangi        nice :)
21:24 rangi        are you thinking of coming to kohacon magnuse ?
21:24 magnuse      thinking yes, going no.
21:24 magnuse      sadly
21:24 rangi        ahh stink
21:24 rangi        but understandable
21:24 magnuse      my wife will be taking a year off work to stay home with leonard until he is 2, so we better save money where we can...
21:25 rangi        yep that makes sense
21:25 magnuse      yeah, i'm curious about the location for kohacon14... ;-)
21:25 rangi        :)
21:26 rangi        its almost time to start the proposals for that actualy
21:26 magnuse      yeah, i tried to bring it up one or two meetings ago, but i think people found tit too early
21:27 magnuse      oh well, we will get there
21:27 jcamins      I think I called for sending an e-mail to the list and not making _me_ think about it.
21:27 magnuse      and i better catch some sleep
21:27 magnuse      jcamins: hehe
21:27 magnuse      have fun #koha!
21:28 rangi        cya magnuse
21:40 tcohen       hi rangi
21:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #102 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:42 rangi        hi tcohen
22:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #102: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/102/
22:23 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 8508 - Holds to Pull : Library dropdown options are erroneously concatenated by br tags
22:23 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8508: Followup: Simplify the separateData js function
22:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8508 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Holds to Pull : Library dropdown options are erroneously concatenated by br tags
22:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #103 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:40 rambutan     I vote for Thailand.
23:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #103: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/103/
23:05 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 9484: userid not generated consistently (different editing pages)
23:05 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9479: The member notices page doesn't display dates in the syspref format
23:05 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9479: FIX conflict with Bug 9014
23:05 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: bug 4862 - Change label of Browse by subject or author to Authority search
23:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9484 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , userid not generated consistently (different editing pages)
23:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9479 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , The member notices page does not display dates in the syspref format
23:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add time due to slips
23:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4862 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Stable , "Browse by subject" is misnamed
23:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #304 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #304: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/304/
23:43 jenkins_koha Adrien Saurat: Bug 9484: userid not generated consistently (different editing pages)
23:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9484 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , userid not generated consistently (different editing pages)
23:52 jcamins      !jenkins build master now
23:52 jenkins_koha jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*'
23:52 jcamins      !jenkins build Koha_master now
23:52 jenkins_koha jcamins: job Koha_master build scheduled now
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