Time Nick Message 23:38 eythian hello papa 23:37 dcook mtj: The boss took a look at that MARC::Moose::Formater::UnimarcToMarc21 module last night. He said it did a good job of the conversion overall, but lost the 942/952/999 fields :/ 23:37 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_10_5.txt;h=cfec2c3ede74ec382050922f2e62d20b0448035a;hb=0d56930529f85f54208b40bccbcb5e22f1543948 23:36 rangi if you want to read them 23:36 rangi the release notes are up in git though 23:36 melia okey doke. thanks! 23:36 melia ah the po files 23:36 rangi nope not out yet, waiting on the po files before i can release 23:35 melia I was looking for the 3.10.5 release and don't see it. not out yet? (sorry if hundreds of other people have already asked you that questions!) 23:35 melia I have been sick but am back in the game today! 23:34 rangi hehe not too bad, hows things with you? 23:34 melia well hello sir. how's it going? 23:33 rangi yup 23:33 melia rangi around? 23:27 wizzyrea ^^ 23:27 jcamins Cooking and Koha is a great mixture! 23:26 jcamins What do you mean? 23:15 tcohen bbl 23:14 eythian heh 23:14 tcohen oh, gotta run: coooking and koha is not a good mixture 23:14 tcohen (we will actually use it, and patch it if something appears) 23:13 tcohen if we happen to include a new indexer, we can change it in one place and should work too 23:12 tcohen its there for someone that'd like to test it 23:12 tcohen the relevant part is that the code that launches it is commented out 23:11 eythian if it's quick, I can possibly get it sorted soon. 23:11 eythian I'll see if I can have a look through that today. 23:09 tcohen 8773 23:08 tcohen oh, I see 23:08 eythian which one is that? 23:08 tcohen (one we really need for using 3.12 packages ;)) 23:08 eythian I'm hoping to get a couple of things checked out this morning, but can't do much: have a big thing to write today that has a tight deadline 23:08 eythian heh 23:08 eythian ah right. I don't think it'd be too hard, it'd require some changes to the koha-conf.xml template mostly, allowing parts to be switched on and off to let the config be DOM or GRS. 23:08 tcohen i can trade work for *some* bug being pushed 23:07 tcohen is it difficult to support it? 23:07 tcohen tell me eythian, what is needed for the DOM bug? 23:03 tcohen anyway, I refered to bugs that have patches waiting to be pushed actually 23:03 tcohen memcached support should be quite easy to implement 23:02 eythian I don't know of any off the top of my head, though that doesn't mean it's not there. 23:02 eythian hmm, we'd like to extend it to allow DOM indexing to be configured from it, though that's more than just koha-create really. 22:59 tcohen besides the rollback issue? 22:59 tcohen are there any important koha-create bugs around? 22:55 eythian sweet :) 22:54 tcohen i'm having fun with the tab-completion thing 22:53 eythian cool 22:53 tcohen been playing a bit with the scripts eythian 22:53 wahanui salut, eythian 22:53 eythian hi 22:53 rangi hi tcohen 22:52 tcohen good evening 22:46 wizzyrea very quiet in here 22:14 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone! :) 21:27 cait night all :) 21:27 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/__kohacon_13_planning_meeting_april_23.2013-04-23-21.01.log.html 21:27 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/__kohacon_13_planning_meeting_april_23.2013-04-23-21.01.txt 21:27 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/__kohacon_13_planning_meeting_april_23.2013-04-23-21.01.html 21:27 huginn Meeting ended Tue Apr 23 21:23:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 21:27 nancyk #endmeeting 21:27 jcamins The day after the release! 21:27 cait nancyk++ 21:27 cait sounds good to me :) 21:27 nancyk thanks for attending and giving feedback today. 21:26 nancyk #topic - how about next meeting will be May 23rd at 22 UTC? 21:25 nancyk wow, it's almost like I know what I'm doing! 21:25 cait nancyk: sounds all well planned out :) 21:25 wahanui anything else is, like, a guess 21:25 nancyk anything else? 21:25 rangi its usually around 50/50 21:24 rangi yup 21:24 nancyk We want to have non users come too 21:24 rangi ah righto 21:24 nancyk links to info about Koha, and the conference. This will be for interested libraries. 21:23 rangi whats going to be in that? 21:22 nancyk next up - A digital flier will be sent to Library organizations, and anyone who requests one. 21:21 cait we can still have a table I guess? can put where to find them next door there too 21:21 rangi exactly! 21:21 rangi you'd have to be mad to be at a booth and miss the talks 21:21 jcamins Anyway, our talks will be cooler so no one will want to go to them anyway. :) 21:21 cait having them next door sounds like a good solution to me :) 21:21 gmcharlt nancyk: thanks 21:21 nancyk exhibit space is free, conference not. 21:21 rangi i think that worked ok? 21:21 rangi at the last few kohacons, we've had a table where vendors can put material .. all on the same table, but no boothy salesy stuff 21:20 nancyk #topic - What have we forgotten? 21:20 gmcharlt will KohaCon folks be able to access the NLA meeting (or its exhibits space, at least), free of charge? 21:20 rangi cool 21:20 nancyk But -Any vendors requesting booth space at KohaCon13, are being directed to our NLA (Nevada Library Association) friends who will be just next door. Our attendees will be welcome to visit NLA vendors if they desire. 21:19 cait :) 21:19 nancyk I forgot what this was to be about 21:19 nancyk #topic - Vendor requests 21:19 rangi ohh those all sound good 21:18 nancyk We are investigating Tahoe, Squaw Valley, Virginia City, University of Nevada, Reno Makerspace. Special event NLA President’s reception: Beer, wine and food at the Downtown Reno library branch Thursday night. Cost most likely $20 U.S. dollars, and a directly north from the Atlantis via short bus ride. 21:18 cait I would say that sounds like it#s going to be a great event :) 21:18 * wizzyrea pours the awesomesauce all over Kohacon, and proclaims it "good" 21:18 William reno has wicked awesomesauce 21:18 nancyk #topic - Road Trip 21:18 jcamins It is on #koha. 21:17 rangi it is now 21:17 nancyk is that a real word? 21:17 gmcharlt they serve that in Reno? Wow! 21:17 rangi awesomesauce 21:17 nancyk Sponsors will be acknowledged before and during the conference. We will be asking local restaurants for discounts. More information will be on the KohaCon13 web site soon. 21:17 nancyk We are getting ready to send out sponsorship invitations to vendors. They will be invited to sponsor food for our break times, buses for our trips on Saturday, or just to give money. 21:16 rangi excellent 21:16 nancyk #topic - Donations and Sponsorships 21:16 nancyk Megan Conelly, our local gal 21:16 cait :) 21:15 nancyk #topic Mistress of Ceremonies 21:15 jcamins It's already taken. 21:15 jcamins cait: so much for that. ;) 21:15 rangi sweet 21:14 nancyk Galen Charlton, next RM, on where Koha is headed, and something inspirational! 21:14 cait gmcharlt: maybe update on next version? 21:14 nancyk #topic Opening speaker 21:14 * rangi is nosey who the keynote is 21:14 rangi yay! 21:14 jcamins But not desperately. Thanks. 21:13 * gmcharlt can fill in another slot if needed 21:13 nancyk I think we will be doing fine with just a few additions, and we have the round table discussions that could be extended. 21:13 rangi id say we need around 5-10 more at a total guestimate 21:13 jcamins Just trying to get a sense of whether there was a desperate need for more talks. 21:13 rangi like a panel might take 1.5 hours 21:13 rangi less if some ppl do 1+ slots 21:13 jcamins Thanks. 21:12 rangi so thats about 30ish 21:12 rangi need 12 sessions worth 21:12 nancyk we are planning on lots of great topics and breaks. 21:12 rangi * 3 21:12 rangi so 4 sessions, of around 1.5 - 2 hours each 21:11 nancyk Of course 21:11 cait having him talk about the new opac design might be nice 21:11 cait and I think oleonard wnated to do something maybe? 21:11 rangi nancyk: will we be breaking for morning tea, lunch and afternoon tea? 21:11 nancyk I will meet with Nicole soon to get an idea of the program and it's holes. 21:11 rangi that is a good idea cait 21:11 cait I would think one on acq would be cool to go with the serials one 21:10 cait maybe we could ask some poeple for presentations? 21:10 jcamins About how many sessions would you estimate there is time for on the schedule? 21:10 nancyk ok rangi 21:10 rangi if you want to do a 'deadline extended' type email im happy to send it forward it far and wide 21:10 nancyk #topic - Programs group needs to meet 21:09 rangi cool 21:09 nancyk The April 15 deadline was to get people to submit their programs. We can still take more. 21:09 nancyk We still need someone to present newbie resources, discussion on future development of Koha’s multi-language capabilities. 21:09 cait yep 21:09 rangi those all sound good 21:08 nancyk And Libki demo, plug-ins, access all library materials at one time with DSpace, how to test and sign off on bugs, history of Koha, community organization, Koha use cases, new web services and Drupal integration, a Nevada cultural moment, serials management on a shoestring, open source ERms and GoKB 21:08 nancyk Subjects covered will be training, 14 years of the Koha project, hardware requirements for standard, and virtual servers, access all library materials at one time with VuFind, round table discussions, using telephone notification in Koha, Koha live USB for LIS teaching purposes 21:08 rangi 38 before a programme is published is a really good number 21:07 nancyk Some people have indicated they will be bringing others, but they have not yet registered. 21:07 jcamins How many slots are there to fill? 21:07 rangi oh cool 21:07 rangi hmm 21:07 nancyk We currently have 38 people registered, and 19 programs proposed, and an opening speaker. 21:07 William OH apologies :) 21:06 jcamins William: I just wanted to know if huginn was working. No need for actual quotes. :) 21:06 nancyk #topic - Registration and program update 21:06 William Hello Jcamis will this help http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/pilot.html 21:05 nancyk thanks 21:05 huginn The meeting name has been set to '__kohacon_13_planning_meeting_april_23' 21:05 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:05 huginn Meeting started Tue Apr 23 21:01:53 2013 UTC. The chair is nancyk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:05 nancyk #startmeeting - KohaCon 13 Planning meeting April 23 21:04 jcamins nancyk: looks like huginn didn't recognize the startmeeting. Perhaps all lowercase? 21:04 huginn jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes 21:04 jcamins @botsnack test 21:04 nancyk nancyk KohaCon13 chair 21:04 nancyk #topic - Introductions 21:03 nancyk #Startmeeting - KohaCon 13 Planning Meeting 21:02 nancyk 2 minutes 20:58 nancyk and rangi 20:58 nancyk hi cait 20:57 cait hi nancyk 20:56 rangi hiya nancyk 20:55 gmcharlt git-annex++ 20:54 * magnuse scares himself off to bed 20:50 * magnuse should get around to checking out git annex 20:49 rangi heh too 20:49 magnuse too bad this is not subtitled: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtBHJ0ZMDr4 italian black metal fans studying norwegian at university :-) 20:49 rangi hen 20:49 rangi i still like git annex assistant better, but this is still better than dropbox 20:48 rangi https://torrentfreak.com/bittorrents-secure-dropbox-alternative-goes-public-130423/ 20:46 rangi :) 20:45 jcamins Add the srirachaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 20:45 trea cut the tofu, turn the plate. 20:45 trea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg 20:44 jcamins magnuse: no, it's processed gluten. 20:44 drojf magnuse: yes, veganblackmetalchef.com 20:44 magnuse is that a fish you can buy in the chinese market? 20:42 jcamins The only way to cook seitan. 20:41 magnuse yes what? 20:40 drojf magnuse: yes! 20:40 magnuse hehe, have fun khall_away! 20:40 khall_away nope, I'm just taking off for the day! Take care everyone! 20:39 magnuse oops, did i scare khall_away away? 20:39 magnuse http://veganblackmetalchef.com/ ? 20:37 drojf cait: gluten :D 20:37 magnuse "A "second wave" arose in the early 1990s, spearheaded by Norwegian bands such as Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, Immortal and Emperor. The early Norwegian black metal scene developed the style of their forebears into a distinct genre. Norwegian-inspired black metal scenes emerged throughout Europe and North America" (Wikipedia) 20:37 druthb http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=666 20:37 cait that not tofu stuff? 20:36 drojf hail seitan! 20:36 magnuse mtompset: oops, sorry it slipped... 20:36 magnuse *and* i hail from the homeland of black metal... 20:36 mtompset Come on, if you are going to umlaut two vowels, why not all of them, magnuse? :P 20:35 magnuse moahaha! 20:35 druthb oooh.. Magnus is more metal than we are. *two* umlauts! 20:35 druthb yes! 20:35 magnuse mägnüse 20:35 mtompset I agree with you, cait. They are so ascii-ist. ;) 20:34 cait discriminating against umlauts? tsk 20:34 druthb not unicode-compliant. 20:34 druthb yeah, composed chars just don't work as nicks. 20:34 jcamins (on my screen) 20:34 jcamins I wonder why when you typed it it did not work. 20:34 mtompset "mtömpset Erroneous Nickname" -- sorry, druthb. :P 20:34 magnuse yup 20:34 druthb Queensrÿche 20:34 magnuse umlaut-i 20:34 jcamins ? 20:34 jcamins Like this: ï 20:34 magnuse i with two dots 20:34 jcamins magnuse: what did you type? 20:33 cait cäit 20:33 magnuse ï does not *look* heavy to me... 20:33 jcamins That character doesn't render for me. 20:33 druthb mtömpset ? 20:33 magnuse Queensrÿche? 20:33 * mtompset looks away and looks back and laughs at druthb's umlaut-izing of jcamins. :) 20:32 druthb jcamïns… hm 20:32 druthb Is it more-metal to umlaut the I, which is less-likely in the wild? 20:32 druthb jcämins :P 20:32 jcamins Mibbit tells me I need a new nick. 20:31 magnuse i get nothing 20:31 druthb I got an error back from the server when I tried it. Illegal char. 20:31 jcamins Aww. I wanted an umlaut in my nick! 20:31 rambutan seems to just >/dev/null 20:30 * druthb hands out heavy-metal umlauts. 20:30 rambutan oops 20:30 rambutan druthb: /nick rambütan 20:30 druthb :P 20:29 magnuse gah! 20:29 * druthb tried to change her nick to drüthb, but the server doesn't like that. Guess rambütan is out of luck, too. 20:26 magnuse so a friendly cilture? 20:26 magnuse in norwegian "hyggelig" = nice, friendly, cozy 20:25 cait hügel = hills 20:25 cait aah 20:25 rambutan http://www.richsoil.com/hugelkultur/ 20:25 cait just not sure what it is :) 20:25 cait hügelkultur 20:25 cait I guess it could 20:25 rambutan should hugelkultur have an umlaut in German? 20:23 * magnuse has heard of heavy metal umlaut, but not kitchen umlaut 20:20 oleonard Bye #koha 20:17 cait wb drojf 20:17 drojf that's a stupid time for forced disconnect 20:16 cait eythian: ping 20:15 alohabot Hi mib_ec04hs, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 20:12 jcamins cait: What? It's a pile of cookbooks. 20:11 mtompset Greetings, cait. :) 20:11 * mtompset laughs and high fives cait. 20:11 cait jcamins: and you say I have weird data.... 20:10 drojf :) 20:10 jcamins But this is the first cookbook in German which had an example of a non-umlauted kitcheny word. 20:10 * mtompset grins, "I was right! Small sample size." 20:10 drojf lol 20:10 jcamins drojf: no, just types of kitchens. 20:10 drojf back- (bake-/baking-) also does not get one 20:09 drojf jcamins: die küche ;) yeah the compounds have küchen-* too. but do you have other kitchen-related words with umlaut? 20:09 druthb hi, mtompset! :) 20:09 mtompset Greetings, drojf druthb oleonard jcamins rangi gmcharlt. :) 20:08 drojf lol. hi mtompset 20:08 jcamins drojf: Der Küche, and there were several compound words with Küche- 20:08 mtompset His sample data was too small? :) 20:08 drojf and what do you mean by "Every other word to do with kitchens has an umlaut in the first syllable."? :D 20:07 drojf jcamins: 'kochen' means cooking. a 'koch' is a cook. the plural actually has an umlaut. 'die köche' - the cooks. the 'koch' in 'kochbuch' comes from the verb though 20:07 huginn druthb: Quote #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm" (added by wizzyrea at 09:08 PM, November 14, 2011) 20:07 druthb @quote random 20:07 huginn druthb: 1 found: #242: "jcamins: Why doesn't Kochbuchverlag have an..." 20:07 druthb @quote search umlaut 20:06 * druthb whistles innocently 20:06 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded. Quote #242 added. 20:06 druthb @quote add "jcamins: Why doesn't Kochbuchverlag have an umlaut?" "drojf: where would you put the umlaut? :)" "oleonard: Everywhere!" 20:05 jcamins Every other word to do with kitchens has an umlaut in the first syllable. 20:05 jcamins drojf: Köchbuchverlag. 20:05 druthb drojf++ 20:05 drojf hehe 20:05 wahanui i think everywhere is a suburb 20:05 oleonard Everywhere! 20:05 drojf where would you put the umlaut? :) 20:04 jcamins cait: drojf: Why doesn't Kochbuchverlag have an umlaut? 20:04 druthb hi, rangi! :D 20:03 rangi hi druthb 20:03 rangi :) 20:01 jcamins Right. 20:01 mtompset and 3 minutes. :P 20:01 jcamins So, yeah, hour. 20:00 drojf http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=KohaCon+13+IRC+Planning+Meeting+April&iso=20130423T14&p1=599 ? 19:58 druthb o/ 19:57 jcamins I thought 7 minutes, but maybe. 19:57 rangi Oh meeting in an hour? 19:56 jcamins Or --yui-compress, though I don't know exactly what that does. 19:55 jcamins -x sorry 19:55 mtompset -c? That's --clear-screen, isn't it? 19:54 jcamins It does. 19:54 jcamins If you add -c in the command line. 19:54 cait brb 19:54 * oleonard could be wrong 19:54 oleonard Doesn't it include that option? 19:53 mtompset less minifies? 19:53 oleonard Note that the current main OPAC css file is almost 3000 lines long 19:53 rangi My stop brb 19:53 jcamins mtompset: one line, but hopefully not a giant one. ;) 19:52 mtompset Which means one giant line. ;) 19:52 oleonard I'm not sure it makes much of a difference if the server is gzipping 19:52 jcamins mtompset: exactly. One character fewer per line. 19:52 mtompset But \n's are so irrelevant to CSS. ;) 19:52 oleonard mtompset: If we used LESS we could include both a minified and non-minified version of the CSS but only link to the minified version 19:51 jcamins Hopefully not-so-giant. 19:51 mtompset minified? You mean one giant line? 19:51 jcamins Just like everything else. :P 19:51 jcamins mtompset: with me? Kind of an off-white grayish color. 19:51 oleonard We'd have to get everyone on board though 19:50 oleonard I'd love to be able to ship Koha with minified versions of our CSS, and LESS would help us do that 19:50 mtompset What colour is suprised? ;) 19:50 jcamins Color me surprised. 19:50 rangi Ah yeah that was one 19:49 rangi Me even 19:49 jcamins I've been using LESS, and in turns out it _does_ make it easier. 19:49 rangi I forget all the things the design team tell mr 19:49 rangi ould one of the frameworks be useful? 19:49 gmcharlt oleonard++ 19:48 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 19:48 oleonard gmcharlt: My method right now is to only copy styles from the current stylesheet as they are needed, so hopefully it will be trimmed down. 19:48 rangi W 19:47 gmcharlt oleonard: my only feeling: having fewer of them would be good 19:46 rangi Nope 19:45 * oleonard wonders if anyone has strong feelings about CSS rule organization 19:43 cait in eight hours? not much :) 19:42 rangi What's new? 19:38 * cait waves 19:38 oleonard Hi rangi 19:37 wahanui i heard Morning was a state of cat 19:37 rangi Morning 19:30 jcamins oleonard: I did not. 19:25 oleonard Did you flop them, just for fun? 19:25 oleonard Radical. 19:23 jcamins Hehe. I just cataloged two 5-1/4" floppies and their user manual. 19:08 tcohen yeah, really good 19:07 libsysguy looks good man 19:07 jcamins oleonard++ 19:05 oleonard I've got the Cart and Lists buttons working too: http://zivotdesign.com/zp/Koha/bootstrap-opac-redesign/bootstrap-opac-search-results-showing-lists-menu-and-cart-indicator.png 18:50 jcamins Oh, true. 18:50 oleonard I don't think that would make sense--Highlighting is only happening within the table of search results 18:49 jcamins oleonard: the black bar at the top- could you add a highlight/unhighlight toggle there instead of floating in the middle of the page? 18:48 oleonard I don't understand 18:47 jcamins oleonard: what about adding that to the toolbar at the top? 18:45 * cait waves 18:45 jcamins oleonard: nice! But you're right. 18:39 oleonard But "unhighlight" looks pretty lonely up there. 18:39 oleonard That lets me separate those controls from the highlight/unhighlight link and the sort form, giving more space for everything 18:39 oleonard I'm trying a new "toolbar" design for the search results like the one I did for lists, where controls are activated after you make a selection 18:38 oleonard Working on the search results page: http://zivotdesign.com/zp/Koha/bootstrap-opac-redesign/bootstrap-opac-search-results-with-new-toolbar.png 18:25 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Today's partner quote: "A year ago today VALNet went live with #KohaILS. It's been a great year and I'm looking forward to the next one."" 18:14 tcohen yes, problems on our gw i guess 18:12 jcamins Works for me. 18:12 tcohen connection refused connecting to debian.koha-community.org 17:49 tcohen hmm, back from lunch, less productive I guess 16:58 * drojf heads home 16:58 drojf my work here is done 16:57 drojf lol 16:57 jcamins Actually, it may just have been one professor. 16:57 jcamins Professors would send a grad assistant with photocopies of the barcodes. 16:57 khall if we wanted to go crazy we could have a 'renewal' tab by the 'checkout' and 'search' tabs in the header 16:57 drojf i don't think you can renew anything without your card in public and university libraries though. at least in none i use 16:56 jcamins We used that at my undergrad institution. 16:56 drojf i'm pretty sure german school libraries would use it. if they'd finally start using koha 16:56 oleonard It's much easier public libraries too, to be able to be handed a book and renew it without having to ask for the patron's card. 16:55 jcamins (not that I doubted khall, but it's kind of hard to believe) 16:55 jcamins I was just checking whether it was true we couldn't do it before saying so. 16:55 jcamins Agreed. 16:54 gmcharlt sounds like a use case that other schools might want, though -- should be considered for master rather than a plugin, IMO 16:54 jcamins I rarely use circ. 16:54 jcamins Yup. 16:54 oleonard jcamins: Did you think you just hadn't happened across it yet? :) 16:53 jcamins That shocks me. 16:53 khall it's a school that wants it. Each class just puts all the books for renewal in a bin, and the bin does to the library. So many difference items checked out to different students need to be renewed, and they don't know who they are checked out to off hand. 16:53 oleonard jcamins: There's no way to renew something by simply scanning the barcode. Renewals have to go through a patron screen. 16:51 jcamins Regarding khall's e-mail... is that really a feature Koha doesn't have? 16:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10103 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , UniqueItemFields is missing from sysprefs.sql 16:51 drojf bug 10103 16:46 drojf then fix it, it's wrong in your patch :P 16:44 kf guess the lc/uc doesn't matter much, but it's not really nice 16:44 drojf :) 16:44 kf I confused you int he first place so it was only fair 16:43 drojf ;) 16:43 drojf thanks for unconfusing me, you may leave 16:43 kf for that 16:43 drojf yes 16:43 drojf ah, right, its added afterwards 16:43 kf I guess the problem was not case 16:43 kf hm it can#t be there because it's not loaded 16:43 drojf does case matter for sql from the installer but not manually? 16:43 kf so maybe just add it? 16:43 drojf that is the confusing part 16:43 kf ah right 16:42 drojf well, it didn't. it is not there after installation 16:42 kf I will be back soon 16:42 kf :) 16:42 kf you said it didn't work! 16:42 kf heh 16:42 drojf yeah right, confuse me and run off :P 16:41 drojf kf: when i try to add it manually in mysql, it does not care about case 16:41 kf bye all :) 16:41 kf which is a good moment to leave :) 16:41 drojf it's getting more confusing by the minute 16:37 kf it's a weird bug 16:37 kf and that's why the German installer won't update it 16:37 jcamins So, check whether it's capitalized properly. :) 16:37 jcamins Ah. 16:37 kf jcamins: the problem is that it's different then the one added with the update - all lower case 16:37 jcamins Oh, then what's the problem? 16:36 drojf jcamins: i can actually change the syspref without the patch 16:27 kf not to have the pref in the sql file that is 16:26 kf jcamins: just pointing out we found a reason why it's bad :) and a missing one 16:26 kf drojf: i downloaded it a few minutes ago :) 16:22 jcamins Heh. 16:22 drojf oh look, starting a second VM with the same IP as the first is a bad idea. who would have imagined that. 16:20 jcamins drojf: run new installation, check if you can change the syspref, and if you can, it passes? 16:18 drojf so, what's a test plan for a line missing in sysprefs.sql that nobody realized for two years? 16:07 jcamins *in TX 16:06 drojf yay, fixing two bugs with one patch ;) 16:06 jcamins But doesn't, apparently, since I ran a new install a few weeks ago. 16:05 jcamins drojf: it should. 16:05 jcamins Isn't it 11 on TX? 16:05 drojf there is no ; at the end of the last line of syspref.sql in master. shouldn't that make it explode? 16:03 druthb should be, libsysguy. Come join me for lunch? 16:03 rambutan I used to live in SAT, I remember watering my lawn at midnight on New Year's eve one time. 16:02 libsysguy :p 16:01 rambutan ya, y'all living in the tropics... :) 16:01 libsysguy is lunch down there yet? 16:01 libsysguy speaking of work 16:01 * druthb wore a sleeveless blouse to work today, and drove with the windows down. 16:00 * druthb does not miss snow. Not a bit. 16:00 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded. 16:00 rambutan @later tell wizzyrea http://imageshack.com/photo/my-images/132/vansnow01.jpg/ 15:43 jcamins If one wasn't, a patch is welcome. 15:43 jcamins I don't know what you're talking about, but so far as I know, all new prefs have been added to sysprefs.sql. 15:43 drojf did you see the vampire book on inetbib? i have not had the time to look what it actually is 15:42 kf hehe yes:) 15:42 drojf witchcraft! 15:42 kf with the automated imports from the union catalog 15:42 kf reasons I love koha - this library got an update of over 6800 records last thursday and we didn't even notice it :) 15:41 kf I wonder if we also need a database update... not sure when the pref was introduced 15:40 kf jcamins: and that is the reason why all new prefs should be added to sysprefs.sql 15:40 kf guess that would warrant another fix, but adding it to the sysprefs.sql would be nice still 15:39 kf while it shoudl be matching the capitalization from the pref editor 15:39 kf and that makes the sql fail 15:39 kf it's added in lowercase 15:39 kf and it seems that when you switch it in the editor and it does not exist in the database 15:39 drojf ah right! 15:39 kf the problem is that the pref is missing from sysprefs.sql 15:38 drojf kf: seems like i am done with my work here, so yes. if i find the log of our conversation and remember what the problem was :) 15:36 oleonard jcamins: Oh, forgot it's only biblio-level (which makes sense) 15:36 asaurat good evening, bis Donnerstag 15:36 kf if you got a minute a patch would be awesme 15:36 kf but it's on my list... and it's a long list 15:36 kf he didn't find it 15:35 drojf kf: did the problem with 10050 get fixed or did rangi just not find it? :) 15:35 jcamins oleonard: when I tested your patch for that it worked. 15:34 oleonard I tried setting an image for a LOC value, but it isn't showing up in search results 15:34 oleonard Does anyone have an example of an active AuthorisedValueImages system preference showing images in OPAC search results? 15:33 asaurat yep, it's easy to lean and easy to understand during a conversation (well, I just took a few lessons...) 15:33 druthb You can't say the "wrong" word by mispronouncing a vowel…it's just "an accent." 15:32 druthb The nice thing about Esperanto is that the vowels do not change meaning with pronunciation. 15:31 asaurat never noticed that hehe 15:31 asaurat lol 15:31 kf someone recently pointed out that stressed reads desserts backwards... which explains a whole lot 15:31 asaurat before the couchsurfing community, esperanto was a good way to travel 15:30 asaurat well, a good part of the esperanto writings belong to the poetry genre, maybe some gems are awaiting here and there =) 15:29 asaurat it's not very beautiful 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10101 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-enable error handling 15:29 tcohen bug 10101, i'm loving the palindrome 15:29 asaurat yeah, somehow, hehe 15:29 oleonard Now see that just looks like you're speaking any number of languages incorrectly. 15:28 asaurat charmita :D 15:28 druthb bonan matenon, asurat! :) 15:27 asaurat salut :) 15:27 * kf waves to asaurat 15:27 asaurat esperanto is nice :) and easier than klingon ;) 15:21 reiveune bye 15:19 oleonard Klingon is the new Esperanto 15:17 druthb oleonard++ 15:17 drojf yay, update done, nothing obviously broken \o/ 15:17 oleonard ...when really they should all be speaking Klingon. 15:12 druthb Part of the reason it's so hard, kf, is the lack of any sorts of useful standards for how one does it. (unlike, say, cataloging, where we have AACR/MARCish things that say "here's how to do it." Each *institution* can do purchase orders different, mostly.) 15:12 tcohen thanks jcamins 15:11 jcamins I use restart. 15:11 jcamins Restart works all the time. 15:11 jcamins tcohen: reload works sometimes. 15:11 tcohen am i wrong or changing apache configs need a reload instead of a restart command? 15:07 * kf goes back to checkign serials data imports 15:07 kf hm probably 15:03 kf I mean everyone says it is and I blieve it :) but what's the main reason? data linked together so much? 15:02 kf why is acq so hard? 15:02 kf it definitely is 15:01 Joubu it's better than nothing! 15:00 Joubu kf: Thanks, but I'm not happy. I reinvent the wheel (create order, basket, vendor, etc.) for 3 little tests :-/ 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9358 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10026 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPAC cart not showing location anymore 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8294 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , enumeration should show in copy specific hold menu 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10085 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Unapi does not function under Plack 14:58 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9358 - Followup - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15 14:58 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9358 - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15 14:58 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10026 - OPAC cart not showing location anymore 14:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 8294: Fix display of serial enumeration for OPAC holds 14:58 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10085: unapi does not function under Plack 14:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1146: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1146/ 14:58 kf Joubu++ for unit tests :) 14:57 drojf i think the university server reindexes slower than my raspberry pi :/ 14:50 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Morningside Place, Houston, Texas is 22.3°C (9:45 AM CDT on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 14:50 druthb @wunder 77098 14:50 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 25.0°C (11:00 AM ART on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 14:50 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 14:48 rambutan weather underground? 14:48 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 16.1°C (10:21 AM EDT on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 14:48 oleonard @wunder 45701 14:48 drojf magnuse++ btw, it was of course a problem of old translation files 14:47 oleonard rambutan: You're the other-people's-weather channel? 14:47 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 0.4°C (9:43 AM CDT on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). Freeze warning in effect from 1 am to 8 am CDT Wednesday... 14:47 rambutan @wunder 64507 14:47 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded. 14:47 rambutan @later tell wizzyrea We have about 3/4" of snow on the ground 14:47 gmcharlt still warn, but don't abort 14:46 tcohen ok, and non-existent? 14:45 gmcharlt tcohen: hmm, no -- just print a statement to the effect that it was already enabled 14:44 tcohen gmcharlt: would you abort if an instance is already enabled or non-existent? (context loop in koha-enable) 14:40 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Pelham Public Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/5TPa25Fh6g #kohails" 14:35 drojf "Vampyrologie für Bibliothekare". lol 14:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide tab-completion in bash 14:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4876 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Rewrite koha-* scripts in Perl, with error checking - omnibus 14:34 tcohen i'm revisiting those scripts as of bug 4876 and bug 10003 14:34 gmcharlt the parameter check just needs to be tweaked to check for *at least* one 14:34 gmcharlt tcohen: there's a loop after, so I think allowing more than one instance name was intended 14:27 tcohen anyone that uses the koha-enable command? 14:18 tcohen its coded for that, but [ "$#" = 1 ] thinks otherwise 14:17 tcohen should koha-enable support more than one instance as parameter eythian magnuse? 14:16 drojf i thought we had more languages activated, it does not really matter for german only. works fine btw, thanks 14:15 tcohen I don't have the language codes list, but you could wrap that inside another for loop of course 14:13 drojf but we have only english and german at the moment it seems :D 14:13 drojf tcohen: thanks! i thought i could get all files for all languages automatically 14:12 kf druthb: can we close 9018? 14:10 kf tcohen: copying that :) 14:10 kf hm some interesting examples 14:09 tcohen (that's for es-ES of course drojf) 14:08 tcohen for i in es-ES-pref.po es-ES-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po es-ES-i-opac-t-prog-v-3006000.po es-ES-opac-ccsr.po ; do wget -O $i http://translate.koha-community.org/es/312/$i/download/ ; done 14:08 nengard :) 14:08 nengard oh good - me too 14:08 tcohen rm lang*.po 14:08 tcohen cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po 14:08 oleonard It worked for me nengard 14:08 nengard hmmmm ... how did it mess up that link? 14:05 drojf by language files i mean the .po files 14:05 drojf how do i update all language files at once? i think i only did it manually before 14:04 oleonard http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/ 14:02 tcohen that page doesn't exist tweetbot 13:59 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "New #kohails plugins page: http://t.co/0ZLVvU7Pt9" 13:53 druthb (at least, in the South.) 13:53 druthb being able to say "Good morning" in more than two languages is regarded as *very* unusual. 13:53 * magnuse wanders off to practice his norwegian 13:53 magnuse hehe 13:53 druthb magnuse: deeep sarcasm. 13:52 * magnuse senses a hint of irony or even sarcasm in oleonard's voice 13:52 * druthb wonders what space-time warp oleonard has been in. 13:52 kf oleonard: lol 13:52 druthb *snrk* 13:52 huginn drojf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 13:52 oleonard It's hard to keep up with them all, but we want to be good global citizens. 13:52 drojf @INC contains: /home/chris/git/koha.git <-- hehe 13:51 oleonard And likewise, if you come to America you'll find that most Americans speak French, German, Italian, Norwegian, Polish, etc. 13:51 druthb magnuse: Qapla'! \o/ 13:50 drojf druthb kf i could perfectly imagine a grumpy berlin waiting person to not serve you a hamburger if you don't pronounce it in a german way ;D 13:49 magnuse success! \o/ 13:49 kf also we have mcdonalds and the like, starving woudl be really really hard 13:49 kf druthb: i also told you that people here speak english and half of the menus are english anyway 13:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #1146 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9358 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15 13:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10026 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPAC cart not showing location anymore 13:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8294 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , enumeration should show in copy specific hold menu 13:49 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9358 - Followup - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15 13:49 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9358 - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15 13:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10085 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Unapi does not function under Plack 13:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10026 - OPAC cart not showing location anymore 13:49 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 8294: Fix display of serial enumeration for OPAC holds 13:49 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10085: unapi does not function under Plack 13:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #11: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/11/ 13:46 drojf yeah, a lot of people here speak klingon :P 13:46 druthb But kf has been teaching me words—enough so I would not starve if I came to Germany. 13:46 druthb I speak Klingon about as well as I speak German. Not very well, and only with a reference handy. 13:45 drojf i should have expected someone here actually speaking klingon. my bad. :D 13:44 * druthb says in her deepest voice, "tlhIng'an maH!" 13:44 * druthb seconds "Klingon." 13:43 drojf :D 13:43 magnuse agreed! one language to rule them all! 13:43 druthb dissing_yourself-- 13:42 drojf damn translations. why don't we all speak klingon or something :/ 13:42 druthb ! 13:42 * magnuse is stupid too, then 13:42 drojf magnuse++ 13:42 * drojf is stupid 13:42 magnuse yay 13:41 drojf ooooooh thanks magnuse. i think i did that the last time too. that is probably it 13:41 magnuse drojf: you don't have translations that need to be refreshed? 13:40 oleonard Where are you noticing the problem drojf? 13:40 oleonard 7500 is in 3.10.x, so 8108 should apply to 3.10.x too 13:38 * drojf is confused 13:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8108 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove unused images from the OPAC 13:38 drojf the files are all on the list for removal of bug 8108 so i suppose that should not have been brought to 3.10 because these files were only not used in master? 13:38 magnuse anyone else seen this: one library has 8 copies of a book, with 2 different Shelving locations (3 in one, 5 in the other). in search results they are displayed as "Copies available: libraryx (3), libraryx (5)" 13:37 tcohen ok 13:37 drojf thanks, but we are using prog so that should not affect us 13:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10084 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , YUI path wrong in CCSR theme with packages 13:36 tcohen bug 10084 13:36 drojf that one i remember about path problems 13:36 drojf the yui thing should be ok now. and it looked different 13:35 kf not sure but one of those might affect you 13:35 kf there are some path problems there I think with patches in bugzilla (signed off list) 13:35 drojf yes 13:35 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 13:35 kf drojf: packages? 13:35 drojf oh, i got more. after a search i am missing addtolist-small.gif, highlight.gif and list.gif 13:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7500 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Use CSS Sprites in the OPAC for faster page loading 13:34 oleonard Or Bug 7500 drojf ? 13:33 quocuy do we have a meeting today? 13:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8108 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove unused images from the OPAC 13:33 drojf oleonard: i upgraded from 3.8 to 3.10 and list.gif is missing from the opac due to bug 8108 it seems 13:32 quocuy hi everyone 13:32 oleonard ? 13:31 drojf looks like rangi backported list.gif away for 3.10.x :O 13:16 druthb :) 13:16 drojf heh 13:15 kf maybe it's just the German accent then ;) 13:15 druthb The interview was in English, and the lady's voice was almost as pretty as kf's. 13:14 * druthb was thinking of her German friends on the way to work today; the BBC World Service was having an interview with a lady who is the head of Corporate Diversity for Daimler, who was talking about the cultural barriers to women in management in Germany. 13:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9358' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=06b887630b8ebca124e88579fe6c0a586daaad47> / Bug 9358 - Followup - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb47df4bbbc676e29f75c1c686c9ba12e8e73b57> / Bug 9358 - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15 < 13:12 druthb Hi, drojf! :D 13:11 drojf hi druthb 13:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #11 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:09 druthb drojf++ 13:07 drojf we should have a "go unsubscribe yourself" autoresponder :P 12:58 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded. 12:58 druthb @later tell rangi problems with the home network last night…pull requests delayed to tonight. 12:57 druthb o/ 12:47 kf :) 12:47 kf morning jcamins 12:43 wahanui Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast. 12:43 jcamins Morning. 12:42 libsysguy morning is a state of caffeination 12:41 wahanui morning is a state of cat 12:41 libsysguy morning 12:39 jcamins didn't I push a patch fixing the encoding of tags? 12:39 jcamins Hey... 12:32 tcohen :-P 12:32 drojf you can have it all! 12:32 tcohen gluten rules 12:32 drojf :) 12:31 kf gluten free of course 12:31 drojf hi tcohen 12:31 tcohen morning #koha 12:30 drojf kf++ # cookies! 12:30 drojf thanks :) 12:30 * kf sends drojf extra cookies 12:29 drojf [off] not yet. i was holding the "ditch packages and i quit immediately" card right in my hands ^^ 12:28 kf drojf: have you told them they will have to pay you lots more hours for updating? 12:28 drojf i was hoping to get the design person to use only sysprefs but it does not seem like that is the plan :/ 12:28 * kf agrees with drojf 12:27 oleonard So yeah, *layout* customization now may not be a good idea, but other kinds of customizations could be more easily transferred 12:26 drojf oleonard: that sounds fantastic to me 12:26 oleonard drojf: My goal for the new theme is that it has all the same customization options as prog, but the layout will be based on a new grid system 12:25 drojf i see that doing layout customisation NOW is a bad idea :D 12:25 magnuse sounds like a plan! 12:25 oleonard ...because there are probably fewer libraries with extensive CCSR customizations 12:24 oleonard At this point I think maybe the new design could replace CCSR, then prog could be dropped after a time 12:23 oleonard kf: That's the way I understand it 12:23 drojf oleonard, the wizard of UI 12:23 oleonard ..but I'm not sure how we manage the two old ones in that transition 12:23 kf oleonard: do you think I got it right? merge themes but keep option to have multiple themes? 12:22 kf oleonard++ 12:22 drojf it's a while ago that i read the mails 12:22 oleonard I think it's quite possible the new theme will be ready for 3.14 12:22 kf kill a feature that works for those who want to go that way 12:22 kf i don't see good reason to 12:22 drojf at least someone wanted to do that, but i don't know 12:22 kf because supporting 2 themes in master is hard 12:22 kf not remove theming options 12:22 kf I think we only want to merge the default 12:21 drojf to have themes removed in 3.14? i don't think so 12:21 kf I think it just falls back to the files youdon't provide or something like that 12:21 kf you could also do a theme 12:21 kf but not sure if it's widely used 12:21 kf yeah it makes sense 12:21 kf ok 12:21 kf aah 12:21 drojf we have one for staff. and i remember people talking about it for opac, so i was hoping we had that already 12:20 drojf hm yes it would be nice to have the design person do the changes in git actually 12:20 kf or doe we only have one for staff? 12:20 kf i wonder if we used to have that 12:20 kf hm it sounds familiar 12:20 * magnuse updates http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Linked_Data_RFC 12:19 drojf hm yes that is what i was thinking about right now. if i do packages anyway, i could include that too. but the patch i build packages for will hopefully go into koha so i don't have to do that. having opac_includes as a syspref would be nice 12:18 kf drojf: thankfully there are not a lot of changes left, but we might also include the icons and things for the design etc. 12:18 kf drojf: you cna roll your own packages witht he changes - that's what we are going to do 12:18 kf that's good then ;) 12:18 kf hi drojf :) 12:18 kf Viktor: I only use the advanced search when everything else fails :) 12:18 drojf i made a package all without you ;) 12:17 drojf hi kf :) 12:17 kf magnuse: drojf: totally awesome 12:17 drojf oleonard++ 12:17 drojf he is! 12:15 magnuse yup, oleonard is pretty awesome :-) 12:15 Viktor kf Aha - I tried a few short searches while limiting to patrons in advanced. Should perhaps tried browsing instead of searching. 12:15 drojf and will scare the design person to death :P 12:15 drojf oh, that's fast! 12:14 magnuse drojf: oleonard is working on something like merging prog and ccsr, i think he has plans for 3.14 with it... 12:14 kf Viktor: i looked for alphabet - normally I try one single word first 12:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9337 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Alphabet for browsing patrons by last name not visible after performing a patron search 12:13 kf bug 9337 12:13 kf never hurts to check :) 12:13 kf it might be part of a bug that got closed or something 12:13 Viktor Happy as long as it's reported :) 12:13 Viktor I'll have to hone my Bugzilla skills then :) 12:12 kf let me find it - I filed it 12:12 Viktor Thanks kf 12:12 kf somewhere in bugzilla 12:12 kf known bug 12:12 Viktor (The stuff that should go after "Browse by last name:" 12:11 Viktor Known bug? 3.12 beta 2 drops the bar with links to last names when you click on a letter without patrons. Safari/Chrome on OS X. Can't find anything on it on Bugzilla 12:11 jcamins I don't see why. 12:07 drojf and should there be discussion about it at the irc meeting? 12:06 drojf from the mailing list discussion i take that merging the opac themes is widely accepted… what would be a realistic time frame for such a change? 3.16? 3.18? (or whatever the numbering will be) 12:03 drojf muc hbetter than "why dont we ditch packages?" 12:03 drojf oops 12:02 drojf i think i will have a look at how that was done for intranet. it seems like the right way (and much better than "le 12:01 jcamins And/or add an opac_includes syspref. 12:00 jcamins drojf: get him to do things in a way that you can send the changes upstream? 11:57 drojf or put differently, if a design person wanted to edit opac include files, should i chase him off or what is the best way do it (regarding updates) 11:53 drojf is there an opac includes equivalent to intranet_includes somewhen >3.8? 11:51 jcamins I don't remember what we decided, but we talked about it. 11:51 jcamins We did. 11:45 magnuse kf or anyone: did we ever talk about providing translations for tiny_mce? or do i confuse it with the offline circ tool? 11:44 drojf kf: remember what i said about building packages? i remember "use the right VM"… :) 11:43 drojf hi #koha 11:25 kf magnuse: yep 11:25 slef kf++ 11:23 magnuse kf: and https is probably a good idea too 11:23 magnuse gah! 11:23 kf this tuesday feels like a monday 11:22 kf slef: Alles Gute von mir! 11:22 kf arg 11:22 kf magnuse: Alles Gute von mir! 11:22 kf which you should 11:22 kf if you don't block by ip 11:22 kf it is 11:19 * magnuse didn't realize ils-di was quite so wide open... 11:18 magnuse kf: it's sarah's birthday 11:18 slef kf: facebook leaks birthdays 11:18 magnuse slef: yup, damn facebook 11:17 kf now I am curious! and no facebook... heh 11:17 slef magnuse: heh, I'll pass it on. Damn facebook? 11:16 magnuse slef: congrats to the missus! 11:15 kf http://pootle.locamotion.org/de/filezilla/filezilla.po/translate/#filter=incomplete 11:15 kf hm this new pootle looks nice 11:13 kf hi slef 11:13 slef Next general IRC meeting is 7 May 2013 at 02:00 UTC 11:13 slef Next general IRC meeting? 11:08 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_May_2013 11:07 wizzyrea Next general IRC meeting 7 May 2013 at 02:00 UTC 11:07 kf tonight is the meeting for kohacon, may 7 the next general meeting 11:07 trea it's in the motd 11:05 quocuy Sorry, when do we have next meeting? 11:04 quocuy i always forget / before command 11:04 quocuy no, don't need :) 11:04 wizzyrea you might consider changing that >.> 11:04 quocuy fail command 11:04 quocuy :0 11:03 wizzyrea oops 11:02 quocuy nickserv identify Hoangthuy1 10:57 magnuse :-) 10:55 trea :D 10:55 wizzyrea true enough 10:55 magnuse it's just information about the packages 10:55 magnuse well, it's not the packages themselves that are at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian ? 10:54 kf aah 10:54 wizzyrea no no wahanui's response 10:54 kf wizzyrea: it's a wiki *hint* hehe 10:54 wizzyrea the grammar on packages makes me feel a bit crazy 10:54 wahanui irc is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 10:54 kf irc? 10:54 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 10:53 kf mailing lists? 10:52 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 10:52 kf packages? 10:46 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: 3.8.12 release notes 10:46 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumpding database version 10:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #301: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/301/ 10:32 longrider anybody is here? 10:17 wizzyrea :) 10:17 wizzyrea hopefully we'll see less nick juggling. 10:16 wizzyrea sorry for all the bouncing 10:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #301 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:07 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version 10:07 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Release Notes for 3.10.5 10:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #96: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/96/ 10:05 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:05 kf @later tell eythian - could you maybe take a look at the pacakge related patches in the signed off queue? 09:34 tweetbot [off] twitter: @27point7: "découvre un centre de recherche Brestois dont l'OPAC me dit quelque chose... http://t.co/3Qn3iBDu8B #kohails" 09:28 magnuse sleeping-- ;-) 09:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #96 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:25 kf i know she wanted to do them last night, but if they are not there now, probably have to wait until rangi gets up again 09:24 kf too late at night for her 09:23 magnuse ping druthb_away? 09:23 magnuse ah 09:22 kf :( 09:21 rangi for po files 09:20 magnuse no pull requests? 09:09 wizzyrea ! 09:07 rangi no pull requests .. so cant release 09:06 wizzyrea boing boing boing 09:06 rangi hmm 08:53 mtj longrider, there is some info for you ^^ 08:52 wahanui i guess packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 08:52 mtj packages? 08:49 dcook night wizzyrea 08:49 dcook Anyway, night for me 08:47 dcook On a side note: I think I've figured out how Koha does it's z39.50 searching now, so hopefully should have at least a trial z39.50 authority search by the end of the week... 08:46 * dcook wondered why wizzyrea occasionally became a guest... 08:46 dcook Alas, I have not tried bip...yet 08:45 wizzyrea (not my real password 08:45 wizzyrea and /msg nickserv identify password wizzyrea 08:44 wizzyrea i've tried the one that's in tere 08:44 wizzyrea do any of you know what the on_connect_send string is to have bip auto identify 08:39 longrider not using apt-get install koha-common 08:39 longrider I install koha from manual method. 08:38 longrider How I will do that? 08:37 * magnuse guessed so from some of the nick changes :-) 08:37 * wizzyrea is setting up bip 08:37 * magnuse hands wizzyrea the velcro ;-) 08:24 magnuse longrider: how did you install? if you used the debian packages you have to enable email for each instance 08:24 longrider anybody is here? 08:24 longrider hello \ 08:22 longrider but checkin and checkout and other mail are not going. 08:21 longrider And I can sent mail manually from my server 08:21 longrider I set up exim in my server 08:20 longrider mail sent is not working in koha 3.10 08:20 wahanui hola, longrider 08:19 longrider HI 07:59 dcook Kind of fun though... 07:59 dcook This authority z39.50 search is easier said than done! 07:46 kf lots of email? :) 07:46 rangi but reading emails after a day away from my computer :) 07:45 rangi only here for a bit, then have to put kids to sleep 07:45 rangi evening 07:42 kf hi #koha 07:42 kf hey huginn 07:42 wahanui germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg 07:42 huginn GERMS!!!! 07:31 samuel we have some problems with authorities. research in authorities module doesn't work 07:30 samuel hi everybody 07:23 * magnuse hopes it makes it into 3.12 too 07:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations 07:23 magnuse bgkriegel++ for signing off bug 10041 07:09 asaurat hi =) 07:08 dcook hi Joubu 07:08 dcook Koha is so addictive... 07:08 * dcook finally has a test box (with a working cpu and RAM), so I might have to look at installing Debian some time in the next few days and maybe do a bit of dev at home 07:08 Joubu hello #koha 07:07 dcook Yeah, I might have to try it out sometime this week if I can find the time 07:07 * dcook waves to asaurat 07:06 mtj the force is strong in this one… 07:06 dcook Frédéric might be a machine... 07:06 dcook the unimarc->marc21 looks like it has quite a few dependencies 07:06 dcook Yeah, I was seeing that 07:06 mtj theres a whole bunch of MARC::Moose stuff :p -> https://metacpan.org/module/MARC::Moose 07:05 dcook Right? 07:05 dcook I know, right? 07:04 mtj woah!, just spotted that unimarc->marc21 module from frederic 07:03 magnuse hiya mtj 07:03 christophe_c hello mtj 07:03 paul_p good morning everybody 07:02 dcook hey ya paul_p, mtj 07:02 * mtj waves to magnuse , dcook , AmitGupta , christophe_c , alex_a , reiveune 07:00 magnuse kia ora paul_p 06:59 dcook wb AmitGupta 06:54 christophe_c hello dcook 06:53 dcook salut christophe_c 06:53 christophe_c ;-) 06:53 christophe_c bonjour magnuse 06:52 magnuse bonjour christophe_c 06:51 christophe_c hello #koha 06:44 dcook P.S. Looks like there is an email going around seemingly from Vodafone that has a virus in its attached HTML 06:42 dcook 20 minutes left to work on z39.50 for authorities :p 06:42 * dcook looks at the clock 06:40 dcook I wonder if it's 100% functional 06:40 dcook Yeah, it does 06:39 alex_a fredericdem++ 06:38 alex_a hello dcook. Seems esay to use 06:35 dcook Whoa...Frédéric Demians wrote a unimarc to marc21 perl module? https://metacpan.org/module/MARC::Moose::Formater::UnimarcToMarc21 06:34 dcook hey reiveune, alex_a :) 06:34 dcook magnuse: yep 06:33 alex_a hello 06:32 reiveune hello 06:31 magnuse were they records from koha? 06:30 dcook The MARCXML was still pointing at the LOC and marc21 schema... 06:30 dcook I suppose I could still ask some questions... 06:30 dcook Until we realized they were UNIMARC and not MARC21 ;) 06:30 dcook We were looking at some records and thought that they made absolutely zero sense 06:30 dcook I found the IFLA UNIMARC format docs :) 06:30 dcook No worries 06:29 dcook Yeah, just as I'm heading off ;) 06:29 magnuse dcook: biblibre folks will probably show up in ~35 minutes 06:28 * magnuse waves 06:14 dcook Any UNIMARC users around atm? 06:07 cait gues it's time for the dentist... 06:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10030 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , MaxFines checks against amount, not amount outstanding 06:07 cait bug 10030 is giving me trouble too 05:51 cait mtj: are you going to kohacon? 05:51 cait heh 05:51 mtj yes, lets put this all behind us... 05:50 cait can we just forget about it now? 05:50 cait mtj: thx for testing 05:49 cait we should have a status 'resolved - dumb' 05:48 cait and I am doing it right now 05:47 cait :P 05:47 cait i do... sometimes... 05:47 mtj did you rebuild your zebra! :p 05:47 mtj aah :) 05:46 cait probably a deleted record 05:46 mtj waa waa? 05:46 * cait facepalms 05:46 cait i shouldn't do testing in the mornings 05:46 cait oh i see what it is 05:45 cait i see it 05:45 mtj cait, my pic attached to bug 05:45 cait if you can't reproduce that's weird, but I am downgrading the bug now - because first entry is not as bad 05:43 cait and for number one in the ist the links are missing biblionumber 05:43 cait which would be "the" in english :) 05:43 cait i searched for der 05:42 mtj ok, mee too 05:42 wahanui catalogue is, like, to view the catalogue or the mainpage 05:42 cait catalogue 05:42 mtj are you looking the catalogue, or reservoir results? 05:42 cait http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl?q=kw,wrdl,rtrn=der%20&page=1 05:42 mtj 44 result(s) found in catalog, 0 result(s) found in reservoir 05:42 cait hm not for me 05:41 mtj meh, still works ok 05:41 cait i have a result list with multiple pages and it's only broken for the first one 05:41 cait mtj: try looking at the very first result 05:41 cait oooh 05:41 cait it was broken in 2 browsers for me 05:40 cait weird. what did I do differently 05:40 cait now they are there 05:40 cait hmmmm 05:40 cait let me check again if I was looking at english 05:40 cait very weird 05:39 cait hm 05:39 mtj yes, and yes 05:39 mib_1jtvez I have NaN values in my replacement cost, budgeted cost and total under the accounting detail when placing order. the value appear when i enter the quantity and using my active currency, anyone know what's wrong? 05:37 cait not the normal one, that works for me 05:37 cait are you on latest master? and looking at the cataloguing search? 05:37 cait mtj: weird 05:36 alohabot Hi mib_1jtvez, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 05:36 mtj hmm, working for me, so far 05:35 mtj heya cait, hmmm, lemme check that on my koha… 05:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10099 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cataloguing search result list links broken 05:31 cait never mind, filed bug 10099 05:20 cait can someone test something? cataloguing search - I am missing the biblionumber in all links from the search result list 05:20 cait oh how weird 05:17 sanju koha is listed in my /etc/passwd file 05:16 mtj ... rather than attempting to rebuild zebra another way 05:16 sanju ok 05:16 sanju can u help me rebuild zebra 05:16 mtj sanju, i would concentrate on fixing your 'koha-rebuild-zebra' error first ^^ 05:15 mtj tho, i dont think you should *need* a koha user - so i dont know why its asking for one, either... 05:14 sanju i mean do u know 05:14 mtj means you dont have a 'koha' user in your /etc/passwd file, i think... 05:14 sanju but so u know how to rebuild zebra? 05:13 sanju ok thanks 05:13 mtj sanju, hmm - sorry, i dont know what that problem is :/ 05:10 sanju i am running as root in debian squeeze 05:07 sanju test is a koha instance i created 05:07 sanju when i tried koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v test i got sudo: unknown user: -f-koha 05:05 mtj the 'koha-list' command shows you all your koha 'instances'... 05:04 mtj so, you can install many kohas on one server, each koha 'instance' has its own name 05:03 mtj instance means 'name' 04:59 sanju when i searched i found about koha instance.what is that? 04:57 sanju but how do i rebuild zebra 04:56 mtj sanju, it is always worth trying that 04:56 sanju can this be rectified by rebuilding zebra? 04:56 sanju why does this occur? 04:55 sanju books entered in 2011 is not listed however those in 2012 are listed properly 04:55 AmitGupta ok i will do again 04:55 sanju i have trouble regarding searchinf data from koha 04:54 cait but that's my opinion, not the coding guidelines 04:54 cait I would rather like to see such a link in a less prominent place 04:54 cait in that place 04:54 cait but honestly I am wondering if that will work 04:54 AmitGupta ok thanks 04:54 cait it doesn't follow coding guidelines 04:53 cait take a look at comments 3 and 4 04:53 alohabot Hi mib_hk1lmd, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 04:53 cait I have noted 4 reasons why :) 04:53 AmitGupta why? 04:53 cait yes 04:52 AmitGupta failed* 04:52 AmitGupta is faild in QA 04:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10013 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amit.gupta, Failed QA , Ability to link directly from an item in the Staff client to budget information. 04:52 AmitGupta bug 10013 04:52 cait yes, I am here 04:50 AmitGupta hi katrin around? 04:50 cait wizzyrea: :) 04:49 alohabot Hi mib_abdbnb, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 04:40 wizzyrea it's sooooo nice 04:39 wizzyrea ^.^ 04:39 wizzyrea "got to" I mean, I went last time ^>^ 04:39 wizzyrea yea 04:39 wizzyrea hehe 04:39 * wizzyrea got to stay home this time 04:39 cait back to the beginnings? 04:39 cait cool :) 04:38 wizzyrea koha team field trip 04:37 cait wish I could 04:37 wizzyrea working lol. 04:37 cait and can't go bak to bed... dentist appointment abit later... 04:36 cait what are you doing in levin? 04:36 cait eythian: photos? :) 04:21 eythian_levin cait: btw the new HLT library is hy-ooge! 04:20 huginn eythian_levin: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 18.2°C (4:17 PM NZST on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising). 04:20 eythian_levin @wunder levin 04:20 wahanui go back to bed, cait. 04:20 eythian_levin wahanui: cait 04:20 wahanui cait is qam, not your secretary 04:20 eythian_levin wahanui: cait 04:16 dcook :) 04:15 cait morning dcook and thx :) 04:15 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0°C (6:00 AM CEST on April 23, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 04:15 dcook @wunder konstanz 04:15 dcook hey ya cait 04:04 dcook Just more each day :p 04:04 * dcook hates IE 03:02 eythian_levin crap 03:02 wahanui If you feel like someone is looking through wahanui's window, it's OK, it's just me. 03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good night 03:02 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, eythian_levin. 03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good night 03:02 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, eythian_levin. 03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good night 03:02 wahanui I watch you sleep. 03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good night 03:02 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, eythian_levin. 03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good night 03:02 wahanui eythian_levin: what? 03:02 eythian_levin wahanui: good ngiht 03:01 eythian_levin later jcamins 03:01 dcook Have a good sleep 03:01 wahanui okay, eythian_levin. 03:01 eythian_levin wahanui: good night is also <reply>If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me. 03:01 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, jcamins. 03:01 jcamins Good night. 03:01 * jcamins goes to sleep. 03:00 jcamins I'm nice and consistent like that. 03:00 jcamins Always. 03:00 dcook Cool. Merci. 03:00 jcamins New bug. 03:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client 03:00 dcook jcamins: I don't mean to distract, but should I make a new bug from my template change or add a follow-up patch to bug 2060? 02:58 dcook hey ya drojf 02:58 dcook jcamins++ 02:45 dcook I'm going to wrap it in a condition, but I just want to make sure that it's not passing in anything even if it's a useless value 02:45 jcamins Right. 02:45 dcook Btw, there's no need to have "Add new bibliographic records into this framework" on the page when importing authorities, right? 02:44 dcook When I do the same in Firefox, it presents it in HTML but that must just be so that it can show it in the window 02:44 dcook Mmm, I see 02:41 jcamins No HTML. That's just the way Voyager does downloads. 02:37 dcook Import works fine on it though, it seems :D 02:36 dcook Which looks like a bit of html wrapped around a marc record.. 02:36 dcook Downloads as a "Pwebrecon.cgi" file 02:34 dcook Well, maybe not very.. 02:34 dcook Ohhh or maybe it gets along very well.. 02:33 jcamins Heh. 02:32 dcook Apparently Chrome and LoC don't get along for downloading authority files... 02:30 * dcook takes a look 02:28 dcook No worries. Thanks for the head's up 02:28 dcook Looking at a 3.8 system 02:28 * jcamins is working on other things, though. 02:28 dcook That might be why ;) 02:28 dcook Mmm 02:28 jcamins It should be there. 02:28 jcamins It's new in 3.10. 02:28 jcamins Really? 02:28 dcook jcamins: I'm not noticing the option of selecting authority records when importing via the UI... 02:25 cjh thanks :) 02:25 wizzyrea cjh++ #gitify is the bomb diggle 02:22 cjh that is my guess, and the earlier ones are likely to be larger due to the way it stores them. 02:21 eythian_levin actually, I bet it's counting objects 02:21 eythian_levin maybe as the translations got more regularly added, that bumped the file or changecount per size or something. 02:20 jcamins Yeah, I've been confused by that too. 02:18 wizzyrea number of files maybe. 02:18 wizzyrea so whatever measure of done-ness it's using, it's not "size" 02:17 * wizzyrea made the mistake of noting it was at 450mb at 50% done 02:17 cjh history and spare branches laying around :) 02:17 wizzyrea huh, well 900MB was an over-estimate - it was only 523 02:17 cjh the end result in both cases would be a huge dir, but I am more concerned about the size of the download 02:16 cjh the tar can be compressed and involves less overhead than a git clone 02:16 eythian_levin wouldn't that amount to the same thing? 02:16 eythian_levin cjh: wouldn 02:15 cjh I think we should provide tar-balls that are snapshots of the git repo at various points, so that people can download them and then git pull to fetch the difference (rather than having to git clone all that) 02:15 wizzyrea well i meant the one you get from koha-community 02:14 cjh mine is already above that, but I have multiple remotes and lots of git branches. 02:13 wizzyrea wow the koha git repo is really approaching 900MB? 01:57 eythian_levin ah right, never noticed that. I just tend to use the cli by default I guess. 01:49 jcamins You select "authority records" when deciding the type of record. 01:47 eythian_levin As it, how does it know not to chuck them into the biblio area? 01:47 eythian_levin jcamins: you can? How does that work? 01:46 dcook :p 01:46 dcook Now he tells me! 01:46 jcamins You can upload authority records with staged MARC. 01:46 dcook Please add any comments/ideas :) 01:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10096 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add a Z39.50 interface for authority searching 01:45 dcook eythian_levin: bug 10096 01:45 dcook Commandline only, eh? 01:45 dcook That's what I was thinking. Thanks 01:45 eythian_levin dcook: I think it's not 01:44 dcook Is it possible to upload authority records through the Koha UI or just bibliographic records? 00:55 jcamins Javascript, images, and everything else, is evil. 00:55 jcamins Laugh all you want. 00:53 * dcook thinks it's only Tuesday 00:53 dcook Boo everything! 00:39 * jcamins curses images, Javascript, and... everything else... roundly.