Time  Nick         Message
23:45 eythian      bag: khall_away: I think there's a lot of rewrites of parts in there. It might give some ideas of where you'll have to look.
23:43 eythian      http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/bywater/wr78012 <-- the whole branch is here.
23:41 eythian      hopefully you can use some of that to save time
23:41 bag          heh
23:41 bag          eythian++
23:41 bag          all the good things!
23:41 bag          sweet
23:41 bag          thanks
23:41 bag          nice!
23:39 eythian      http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=Koha/Accounts.pm;h=d9168cadab5110af834c3af65ad9bafd9cda09e4;hb=844513025171cdffab9df6d584e6158ce5ada781 <-- bag, khall_away: there's a lot of POD on here describing what I ws aiming to do
23:36 bag          oh yes please send those docs along!
23:34 eythian      khall_away: good luck with the rewrite, I started that (ages ago) and it turns out everything talks to the account database directly. If you have a look for the docs that I did, it might give you a start for design, anyway.
23:05 tcohen       great
23:03 eythian      I'm looking at fixing it now
23:03 tcohen       hmmm, looks like you're right eythian
22:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
22:59 eythian      I think due to bug 9172
22:57 eythian      tcohen: master fails a package build at the moment.
22:41 wahanui      rumour has it eythian is an expert bot trainer
22:41 bag          hey eythian
22:38 wahanui      privet, eythian
22:38 eythian      hi
21:47 ibeardslee   in a way it doesn't matter, it is adding to the disruption already going on
21:45 rambutan     yea, it's been going both ways
21:45 drojf        rambutan: seems like they are back to »fire-related« now
21:32 rambutan     seems like the event at JFK Library is being called an explosion
21:22 bag          yeah not good at all
21:22 cait         :(
21:21 rangi        yuck
21:20 wizzyrea     they turned off cell phone access
21:19 wizzyrea     two more bombs found, being dismantled
21:18 magnuse      not good!
21:18 wizzyrea     *nod*
21:18 magnuse      is that in boston?
21:17 wizzyrea     :( really terrible all around.
21:17 rambutan     news reports aren't clear about whether the JFK library was just a fire or an explosion
21:14 rangi        heh, whoops owen and I both signed, lemme add my signoff to owens
21:13 cait         morning rangi
21:13 rangi        morning
20:26 bag          man a fire at the JFK library the same time as the bombings
20:26 bag
20:16 mtompset     okay, bit 8 = reserve for self, something related to 22 to 30 where it got removed.
20:12 mtompset     Greetings, drojf. :)
20:12 jcamins      Ha!
20:12 jcamins      Fun!
20:11 mtompset     what about a full un-migration path? ;)
20:11 khall        : )=
20:10 cait         well, you will have lots of fun with that ;)
20:10 khall        indeed, my primary directive is to make sure there is a full migration path
20:10 cait         khall: and it has to have all important data for accounting
20:09 cait         khall: difficult part is keeping our data intact I guess
20:09 mtompset     does anyone remember what bits 8 and 18 were for permissions?
20:05 jatara       i appreciate your help. :)
20:05 magnuse      yay
20:03 khall        it's a perfect way to start using dbix class too
20:03 khall        cait, yeah, I think's it's something that's necessary and due
20:03 jatara       all right. i'll have the db reindexed.
19:57 * cait       thinks jcamins is right
19:57 jcamins      The fact that the records are still showing up in searches means that your indexes got out of sync.
19:56 jcamins      jatara: there is no other option. You must reindex zebra.
19:55 jatara       magnuse...was hoping not go that route.
19:54 cait         I rmemeber he sent the pod for a new module to the list
19:54 cait         I think he wanted to do that too
19:53 khall        yeah, I've looked it over. I want to start from scratch, take all the data and functionality that's accrued over time and give it a full integration. The number of subs we have for making payments is silly!
19:52 cait         khall: did you see the comment from robin about the accounts rewrite branch?
19:52 magnuse      jatara: rebuild your zebra index, perhaps?
19:46 jatara       I have a question...I'm trying to re-import some previously reverted records. Unfortunately, some of these records aren't coming up at all. They were newly created, then deleted when I reverted the import. Now any new import keeps matching againt the deleted record. Any idea how to fix this?
19:29 chris_n      lol
19:28 mtompset     more speed less haste. ;)
19:28 jcamins      ... I wonder how many people actually _do_ write off library fines.
19:27 jcamins      :)
19:27 jcamins      Someone is trying to write off library fines.
19:27 khall        no that fast
19:27 chris_n      worlds fastest coder ;-)
19:27 jcamins      chris_n: it's because of the tax deadline.
19:27 khall        ha! I need to change that to 'when it gets done'
19:27 chris_n      >>> Sponsored by ByWater Solutions and developed by Kyle M Hall, expected for/deadline: 2013-04-15
19:26 * chris_n    thinks its great that khall will have the accounting rewrite finished up by today
19:22 mtompset     I guess I am now mapping the whole system, because this is crazy. I need to be able to trigger errors when I want. :(
19:17 mtompset     Hmmm... now it is working. ARG!
19:09 jcamins      That's what you'd get if you printed something to the browser before the headers, though.
19:09 oleonard     No, you should never get that.
19:06 mtompset     Guess that's what you get when you try to get Koha to save a mostly blank authority record.
19:02 mtompset     But the page has valid html source.
19:02 mtompset     I did, interestingly, get a nice white screen of nothing.
19:02 jcamins      That should be the intranet.
19:01 mtompset     I'm looking at /home/mtompset/koha-dev/var/log/koha-error_log
19:01 oleonard     mtompset: Maybe you're looking at the opac instead of the intranet error log or vice versa?
19:01 jcamins      It didn't work?
19:00 jcamins      warn "whatever"
19:00 jcamins      mtompset: yeah. That's easy. What's hard is getting things to not show up in the error log.
19:00 mtompset     I thought "warn" would do that.
19:00 mtompset     Any ideas on how to trigger output into the koha error log intentionally?
18:57 * cait       hands jcamins cookies
18:57 cait         yeah, you are a grumpy person
18:57 jcamins      cait: I think that too.
18:57 jcamins      Not that this should be a surprise... I think I put in my proposal something along the lines of "as RM I will be irrascible and cantankerous."
18:57 cait         jcamins: I think more things are working than used to... but I might just have seen worse :)
18:56 mtompset     Me too. :)
18:56 * jcamins    has a short fuse.
18:56 jcamins      It's okay.
18:56 mtompset     I'm sorry if I induced feelings of stress by complaining. :)
18:56 jcamins      Something I never appreciated until I became RM.
18:54 jcamins      The number of things in Koha that _aren't_ broken in some way and people don't complain about asymptotically approaches zero.
18:53 jcamins      Something like that, yes.
18:53 mtompset     Then why would thinking of Koha ruin your mood? responsibilities piling up for RM task?
18:52 jcamins      mtompset: no.
18:52 mtompset     Are you on vacation, jcamins?
18:51 oleonard     I'll take your word for it
18:50 jcamins      oleonard: but accurate, no?
18:50 oleonard     Harsh!
18:49 jcamins      Actually, I was more thinking "I'll be in a better mood if I am not reminded of Koha at all."
18:49 mtompset     Not being here may increase productivity.
18:49 * mtompset   nods.
18:48 jcamins      I feel compelled to try and answer questions.
18:48 * jcamins    should probably not be on #koha, come to think of it.
18:48 mtompset     Thanks for that word of encouragement, jcamins. :P
18:48 jcamins      mtompset: unfortunately, unless you're volunteering, my official stance as RM is "that's nice."
18:47 mtompset     Well, I think someone in Q/A bug hunting/fixing needs to run through authorities, because I think there are some issues in that section. :(
18:46 jcamins      If they don't, then that's a bug, and whatever the second one does should be done by a button with a less misleading function.
18:46 jcamins      They do.
18:45 mtompset     Yes, but I'm not sure they do the same thing.
18:44 jcamins      The first is always visible.
18:44 jcamins      *That
18:44 jcamins      Tht second one can be eliminated.
18:44 jcamins      I see!
18:44 jcamins      Ah.
18:44 mtompset     scroll down.
18:44 jcamins      I only see one button.
18:43 mtompset     Try adding a new authority, for example.
18:43 mtompset     several locations while hunting for how to trigger this blind thing.
18:41 jcamins      Where do you see that?
18:40 mtompset     And two save buttons on the authorities stuff seems weird, when one isn't styled.
18:38 mtompset     *sigh* This is frustrating not knowing how to trigger this bug.
18:38 jcamins      Yup.
18:37 mtompset     just did a git pull and a bunch of tiny_mce moved. ;)
18:36 jcamins      No explanation, then.
18:36 jcamins      Ah.
18:36 mtompset     Not in master yet.
18:34 jcamins      In that case, intranet-tmpl instead of opac-tmpl.
18:34 mtompset     I'm playing with the staff client, but anyways...
18:34 jcamins      Or something like that.
18:34 jcamins      I think you may find they were moved from /opac-tmpl/prog/en/famfamfam/ to /opac-tmpl/lib/famfamfam
18:34 mtompset     famfamfam/silk?
18:33 jcamins      All the famfamfam icons were moved, I think.
18:33 mtompset     Hmmm... compared to 3.8.6 it may not have been added.
18:30 jcamins      And actually, I don't think the icons were removed yet... most likely it's just that the path changed.
18:30 mtompset     while actually searching for how to trigger a unrelated bug.
18:30 jcamins      Ah.
18:29 mtompset     I didn't know until I hit this.
18:29 jcamins      mtompset: there were *three* messages to the list asking that people let it be known if they were using other icons.
18:29 mtompset     ARG! Someone cleaned up the comments.png from the famfamfam folder.
18:26 jcamins      (and, just like in Hamlet, it ends well for no one)
18:25 jcamins      The HTML5/DOM selection API: MARC meets mouse, mouse loses
18:24 magnuse      huh? ;-)
18:24 wahanui      right now is testing just somebody seeing if it works?
18:24 magnuse      right now
18:24 magnuse      and i will
18:24 magnuse      hehe
18:24 jcamins      Well, you should. :P
18:24 jcamins      That's why I think we should rename it.
18:23 jcamins      Yes.
18:23 magnuse      well, consistency IS good...
18:23 jcamins      But it only matters insofar as it makes things more consistent.
18:23 magnuse      ok, will do
18:23 jcamins      Renaming it sounds like a good idea.
18:23 magnuse      jcamins: any recommendations/wishes? rename it or WONTFIX?
18:22 jcamins      So, no.
18:22 jcamins      magnuse: only that you have to use the use xsltproc biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xml... instead of xsltproc biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml...
18:19 magnuse      have fun tcohen
18:19 tcohen       bye #koha
18:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9804 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Wrong name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml
18:18 magnuse      jcamins: lazy question: does the problem described in bug 9804 have any practical implications?
18:17 magnuse      nah
18:17 cait         those ARE proper bugs
18:17 magnuse      cait: ah, just normarc bugs, though, not proper bugs...
18:16 mtompset     eq vsa. == problem.
18:16 mtompset     something related to authorities: blinddetail-biblio-search.pl
18:15 cait         magnuse: fixing bugs:)
18:15 tcohen       which bug mtompset ?
18:14 mtompset     ARG! I hate knowing a bug exists and the patch, but not being able to figure out how to test it.
18:14 magnuse      ?
18:13 cait         magnuse++
18:13 mtompset     why did you use a different style on the for do done vs. if then fi, tcohen?
18:10 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations
18:10 tcohen       mtompset: when u have the time, could u tell me what do u think about bug 10041?
18:01 jcamins      decode() does not.
18:00 mtompset     Thanks for the link. My mistake.
18:00 jcamins      http://perldoc.perl.org/utf8.html
17:59 jcamins      Of course.
17:59 mtompset     utf8::decode modifies $_?
17:59 jcamins      And it looks like it does the same thing to me.
17:58 jcamins      Presumably to prevent double encoding.
17:57 mtompset     Why did they change the code? I don't think the change does the same thing.
17:57 mtompset     http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=17187&action=diff
17:56 jcamins      (i.e. it's not strange at all that it broke)
17:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates
17:54 jcamins      I'm sure it's related to bug 6554.
17:53 mtompset     Now, I have tcohen's problem.
17:53 jcamins      There were 40+ patches in between those two revisions.
17:53 mtompset     I did an update to 202.
17:53 mtompset     no problems with es-ES.
17:53 mtompset     I was running 200 from squeeze-dev in QA.
17:53 mtompset     yes, which is why it is strange that it BROKE... after upgrading like that.
17:52 jcamins      mtompset: you do know that those numbers refer to database updates not patches, right?
17:52 magnuse      ah, thanks, i thought you meant years - never mind me!
17:52 mtompset     Yes.
17:52 mtompset     3.11.00.200 and 3.11.00.202
17:51 magnuse      mtompset: did you mean 200 and 202?
17:51 * magnuse    wonders how long the 008 value builder for normarc has been unusable
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17:49 mtompset     But I'm not sure they are the cause.
17:48 mtompset     It didn't in 200. There were only two patches added in 202 that busted it.
17:48 * tcohen     is freaking out, really
17:46 tcohen       perl translate install es-ES makes my template ISO-8859-1?
17:46 tcohen       ahhhhhhhhhh
17:45 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
17:44 jcamins      "No, we mean... THERE'S NO KEYDOWN EVENT, DUMMY. WE JUST WROTE ABOUT IT IN THE SPEC TO TRIP YOU UP!"
17:44 magnuse      yeah, who would want that?
17:44 jcamins      That'd be silly.
17:43 jcamins      "Oh, by the way, when we say there is a keydown event, we don't mean that there's an *actual* keydown event.
17:43 magnuse      hehe
17:43 jcamins      magnuse: an amount comparable to the amount I hate DOM.
17:43 * druthb     gives wahanui the ebil eye
17:42 wahanui      http://marc-must-die.info/
17:42 druthb       MARC must die!
17:42 magnuse      did i ever tell you guys how much i hate MARC and NORMARC in particular?
17:36 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
17:36 magnuse      @wunder marseille
17:31 druthb       37 is fairly-likely, and 40 is possible.
17:30 druthb       27 here is a *cool* day in Houston.  It'll get *much* hotter later in the year.
17:29 magnuse      not fun!
17:28 tcohen       we (the people) are melting here
17:27 tcohen       agree magnuse
17:25 cait         24 is quite nice :P
17:25 magnuse      27 is too much anyway :-)
17:25 magnuse      yeah yeah, rub it in ;-)
17:25 magnuse      hiya tcohen
17:25 huginn       tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 27.0°C (2:00 PM ART on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
17:25 tcohen       @wunder cordoba, argentina
17:24 cait         hi tcohen :)
17:24 cait         :)
17:24 tcohen       hi magnuse
17:22 magnuse      but hey, the snow is melting!
17:22 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (6:50 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
17:22 magnuse      @wunder boo
17:22 magnuse      wow
17:11 druthb       Partly-cloudy here, not overcast…gorgeous day.
17:11 cait         it's super warm and sunny outside!
17:11 cait         it looks like we are skipping spring this year and are moving on directly into summer :)
17:11 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in First Montrose Commons, Houston, Texas is 27.8°C (12:07 PM CDT on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
17:11 druthb       @wunder 77098
17:10 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
17:10 cait         @wunder Konstanz
16:34 gmcharlt     heh
16:34 oleonard     I always heard that clones burned out early
16:32 jcamins      Hooray! Two gmcharlts!
16:23 magnuse      tcohen: build-git-snapshot is your friend ;-)
16:17 huginn       04Bug 9850: normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update
16:17 nengard      QA team: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 -- ready for QA and needs to get in to 3.12
16:13 tcohen       c'mon eythian, lemme see those new packages from master
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9463 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on patron sent notices page
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on calendar page
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on circulation page
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9414 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9986 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Two fixes on Z3950 Search
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8770 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits
15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9463 [Revised] Use DataTables on patron sent notices page
15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9905 - Use DataTables on calendar page
15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9887 [Revised] Use DataTables on circulation page
15:29 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9414 - Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian
15:29 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9986: Two fixes for Z3950 search
15:29 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9591 : Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item
15:29 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9933: Unable to edit or add rules for any branch except default
15:29 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8770 - amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits
15:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1139: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1139/
15:26 reiveune     bye
15:24 gaetan_B     bye !
15:09 rambutan     tnx kf
15:09 rambutan     ha! that worked!
15:08 kf           /whois
15:08 rambutan     ah, ic. I'll just use the contact form on the page--there's a bad database response on one.
15:08 kf           try with a slash
15:08 huginn       tcohen: Error: The command "whois" is available in the Internet and Network plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "whois".
15:08 tcohen       @whois LBA
15:08 gmcharlt     rambutan: Lori Ayre
15:07 rambutan     one of the bots should be able to respond to "whois"
15:07 rambutan     >whois LBA
15:07 gmcharlt     rambutan: LBA is the driver behind it; she's shown up in channel occassionally
15:06 rambutan     does the http://features.galecia.com site belong to anyone we know? gmcharlt maybe?
15:01 tcohen       thanks jcamins
15:01 jcamins      Yes, that's completely idiomatic.
15:00 tcohen       and this longer version? "Check if all the po files are present for the specified language." (need it for man page)
15:00 jcamins      *)
15:00 jcamins      (adding "that"0
15:00 jcamins      tcohen: it is, but I would prefer "Check that the language .PO files are present."
15:00 tcohen       is this ok in english? "Check the language po files are present"
14:59 kf           gaetan_B++ :)
14:59 * gaetan_B   bows without really knowing how he deserved any honor
14:59 druthb       gaetan_B++
14:58 gaetan_B     i think they need to find a translator until then
14:58 druthb       kf++
14:58 gaetan_B     it will happen on thursday
14:58 kf           :)
14:58 gaetan_B     but i have played with the files they are ok thanks :)
14:58 kf           oh ok
14:58 gaetan_B     so basically the translation training didn't happen today as planned
14:58 gaetan_B     kf: today while leaving the meeting, the interpreter / driver was telling me "you can't make a schedule here"
14:57 kf           gaetan_B: I talked to druthb - think it was ok
14:57 kf           gaetan_B: did the translations work?
14:50 gaetan_B     hi kf :)
14:49 kf           hi gaetan_B
14:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1139 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
14:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9463 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on patron sent notices page
14:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on calendar page
14:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on circulation page
14:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9414 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian
14:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9986 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Two fixes on Z3950 Search
14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9463 [Revised] Use DataTables on patron sent notices page
14:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item
14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9905 - Use DataTables on calendar page
14:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries
14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9887 [Revised] Use DataTables on circulation page
14:18 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9414 - Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian
14:18 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9986: Two fixes for Z3950 search
14:18 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9591 : Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item
14:18 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9933: Unable to edit or add rules for any branch except default
14:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #3: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/3/
14:13 kf           good mornign gmcharlt :)
14:13 kf           but probably because I was looking for it
14:12 kf           after I did the no. patch I saw lots of # in the templates
14:12 kf           oleonard: I was thinking... maybe we shoudl have that noted somewhere - library wins over branch, be careful when you say budget and mean fund... use no. etc.
14:12 gmcharlt     good morning
14:11 oleonard     kf: I prefer "No." and that seems to narrowly win over "#" in current usage in the template
14:10 vfernandes   filter activated :D
14:10 vfernandes   ohhh wait
14:10 kf           oh
14:09 vfernandes   another question: koha 3.10 reports... i've created some of them and they aren't listed :/
14:08 kf           i blame the N° confusion for my insecurities
14:08 kf           and I am no native speaker so I thought some things might be wrong
14:07 kf           no, it just got a little late yesterday
14:07 kf           :)
14:07 kf           hmmmm
14:07 oleonard     Did you leave in many mistakes to test me?
14:06 kf           bit surprised you didn't find anything
14:06 kf           oleonard: thank you :) oleonard++
14:02 vfernandes   with CSS and jQuery you can do a lot of things...
14:01 oleonard     I'm curious because I'm always looking for ways we can make the templates more flexible for customization
14:00 vfernandes   yes some littles ones, but mostly of client demands
13:59 oleonard     vfernandes: Any template changes?
13:58 vfernandes   some of them are a junction of CSS and JS code
13:57 magnuse      now imagine if we could have nice css skins like that, that were easy to use and tweak... :-)
13:57 vfernandes   it turned really nice
13:57 vfernandes   I like the catalog from ISLA
13:56 kf           all very nice :)
13:53 vfernandes   thanks magnuse :)
13:52 vfernandes   kf some academic libraries implement by my company: http://biblioteca.isla.pt/  http://catalogo.ubi.pt/  http://catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt/
13:50 vfernandes   that last one i've shown is for a arquitectural organization called "Ordem dos arquitectos"
13:50 magnuse      vfernandes: those are good looking opacs!
13:49 kf           i am looking for some nice academic library examples for a presentation
13:48 vfernandes   yes, that's around it
13:48 kf           I have aproblem with numbers today
13:48 kf           30,000
13:47 kf           30.0000 :)
13:47 kf           oh i found it
13:47 kf           vfernandes: how big is your library?
13:47 oleonard     [% itemloop.size || 0 %]
13:47 kf           right, good question
13:47 kf           aah
13:47 kf           ?
13:47 oleonard     I wondered why the holdings tab didn't have the same problem
13:47 oleonard     ...in other places
13:46 oleonard     kf: In fact I notice that opac-detail.tt already uses a variation on that syntax for default values
13:46 kf           oleonard: hope I didn't make you grumpy either :)
13:46 oleonard     No
13:46 kf           oleonard: did I scare you away?
13:46 vfernandes   see this last production design: http://catalogo.biblioteca.oasrs.org/
13:45 kf           vfernandes: yes it's nice :) wish I was able to come up with something like that :)
13:45 jcamins      A lot of rebasing.
13:45 jcamins      Yeah, but it requires rebasing.
13:45 kf           I was only asking because you said you had already done that somewher
13:44 vfernandes   kf did you liked the design?
13:44 kf           joking
13:44 kf           not sure...
13:44 kf           hmmm
13:44 jcamins      And I think you'd prefer that 3.12 be released.
13:44 jcamins      It's either do RM work or do development.
13:44 jcamins      kf: don't count on it.
13:44 kf           *hint*
13:44 kf           if jcamins gets around to upload that patch for truncations ;)
13:43 kf           yu might want to try out the queryparser when you update to 3.12 :)
13:43 vfernandes   yes :)
13:43 kf           but at elast we got it working :)
13:43 kf           it's annoying
13:43 vfernandes   for me that's enough :)
13:43 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9172' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=38dfbf865c59b04b115fd669859c13e4ba5e3049> / Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=77210d74353cbd2f968df462c2f1b968c3e7decd> / Merge branch 'bug_9463' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm
13:43 kf           yay :)
13:43 vfernandes   now it's fine
13:42 vfernandes   kf I've changed queryautotruncate to automatically
13:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9715 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Variouse combinations of QueryAutoTruncate, QueryFuzzy and QueryWeightFields preferences Conflict
13:42 kf           see bug 9715
13:42 kf           try automatically
13:42 vfernandes   "only if * is added"
13:42 kf           and yes it could play a role
13:41 kf           whta is your setting for queryautotruncate
13:41 kf           hmm
13:41 vfernandes   could be ICU?
13:40 kf           I have never seen the 'any' index broken I think
13:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #3 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:40 kf           and you didn't update?
13:39 kf           nice beta design :)
13:39 kf           that is confusing
13:39 kf           hm
13:35 vfernandes   try to do a search by "teste", and then by title "teste"
13:34 vfernandes   http://catalog.koha.creddm.org/
13:34 jcamins      oleonard: thanks!
13:34 vfernandes   see this link (beta design): catalog.koha.creddm.org
13:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
13:34 pastebot     "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Bug 9172 commit message" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/470
13:34 vfernandes   title searches for example works
13:34 vfernandes   yes, zebra is running
13:33 kf           is zebrasrv running?
13:33 kf           are you using dom or icu? what's the search that doesn't wokr?
13:33 vfernandes   nop
13:33 kf           vfernandes: so it never worked for that installation?
13:33 jcamins      *could you paste
13:32 vfernandes   only keyword
13:32 jcamins      oleonard: could you the top part of `git show` on commit beb1e976e7c5da7d94218a13f97a6e0cb1d6dfac?
13:32 vfernandes   no, clean install
13:32 kf           could it be permissions? is it only keyword searches or all searches?
13:32 kf           did you update and it stopped working?
13:32 kf           vfernandes: I am not aware of ne
13:31 vfernandes   guys, koha 3.10.2, MARC21 and kw searches? any related problem?
13:30 * magnuse    wants to see that one fixed
13:30 magnuse      and? :-)
13:30 jcamins      That's what I thought.
13:29 oleonard     I did
13:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
13:29 jcamins      Who wrote the patch for Bug 9172?
13:29 vfernandes   I'm having problems with kw searches
13:28 kf           heh
13:27 oleonard     Unless we made something up ;) [% heres-a-variable-I-made-up or "0" %] ;)
13:26 kf           +                <li><a href="#tab0XX">&#48;</a></li> < different
13:26 kf           ah, but probably would not work that way
13:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9952 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , MARC tab: tab 0 is not translated correctly
13:25 kf           bug 9952
13:25 kf           do you want to submit a patch for the other occurence too?
13:25 kf           not at all
13:25 oleonard     Well this method works for me. Tested with a freshly-generated translation. I'll submit an alternate patch if you don't mind.
13:24 kf           only no better idea and the other is already in koha... so.
13:24 kf           but was not happy with it really
13:23 kf           oleonard: as long as that works I will be happy :) did you see the bug I linked to it? I just copied the solution from there
13:23 oleonard     (and no surrounding IF)
13:23 oleonard     [% reviews.size or "0" %]
13:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10049 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Comments tab shows ( ) instead of ( 0 ) on translated templates
13:23 oleonard     kf: I have a counter-proposal for Bug 10049
13:22 kf           :)
13:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use DataTables on calendar page
13:16 jcamins      Bug 9905
13:16 kf           ooooh
13:16 kf           :)
13:16 jcamins      Not that one.
13:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9985 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , The -r option to build-git-snapshot works only half way
13:16 jcamins      Yay! Bug 9985 works perfectly with no issues.
13:12 kf           the invoices detail page could use some of your magic :)
13:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10046 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Label budget should be fund on invoices page
13:12 kf           and bug 10046 - because I think that needs your touch
13:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10023 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , degree notation in acq
13:12 kf           oleonard: especially interested in your opinion on bug 10023
13:10 jcamins      Yeah, I had the new sort erroring out.
13:10 jcamins      I cleared my cache and that fixed it.
13:10 kf           it's only the checkout tab and you need the pref
13:10 kf           jcamins: did you see my comment?
13:09 oleonard     Uh oh, that's a foreboding question. No it doesn't.
13:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page
13:08 jcamins      Does bug 9887 depend on something else?
13:08 jcamins      Hm.
13:03 kf           oleonard: I did some cleanup because we noticed some things in translatoin
12:59 kf           ok, that would be 100,00 and 100,50 in english... and I am looking for the bug numbers now
12:59 oleonard     Only 50? Well that should keep me busy until lunch anyway ;)
12:59 kf           something between 100.000 - 1000.50 :P
12:58 kf           hm let me think
12:58 oleonard     Can you give me some bug numbers kf?
12:57 kf           ?
12:57 kf           especially the invoices oneß
12:57 kf           oleonard: would you take a look at the patches maybe?
12:56 kf           heh :)
12:52 oleonard     That's when I get my best Koha work done too!
12:52 tcohen       morning #koha
12:52 kf           yah, I was procrastinating other things :)
12:52 oleonard     Busy Bugzilla weekend for you kf
12:51 oleonard     kf++
12:51 * kf         waves
12:43 druthb       o/
12:31 jcamins      Good morning.
12:31 oleonard     Hi #koha
11:54 drojf        for the record: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_add_an_OPAC_screen_keyboard
11:54 drojf        d'oh
11:48 jwagner      vfernandes, monie, I think you've hit a dead time when the Europeans are at lunch and the North Americans haven't signed on yet -- try again in a little while
11:46 wahanui      well, anyone is free to organize one at any time :-)
11:46 vfernandes   anyone?
11:40 monie        hello i am new to koha. i need an on screen keyboard in arabic, how do i do this?
11:40 vfernandes   maybe a problem with record.abs indexes?
11:39 vfernandes   If the search is done by title works fine...
11:39 vfernandes   I have done a fresh install, added a record named "Teste de catalogação", searched for "teste" using kw and no result
11:38 vfernandes   one question: in koha 3.10.2 kw searches aren't working?
11:38 vfernandes   hi guys
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11:14 kf           heh
11:12 drojf        i could put "make todo list" in there as the first item ;)
11:12 drojf        i should have a todo list for koha things in my wiki
11:10 kf           drojf: hmn I can't remember seeing one
11:00 drojf        is there a bug for the export shows hidden fields problem? i only find one for the same problem in ISBD view
10:39 drojf        i need to get my balcony cleaned :)
10:38 kf           working next to the open window :)
10:38 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.9°C (12:30 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
10:38 kf           @wunder Konstanz
10:38 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 19.1°C (12:13 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
10:38 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
10:38 drojf        speaking of nice
10:38 drojf        it is nice :)
10:35 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10050 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Update German web installer files for 3.12
10:35 kf           bug 10050
10:35 kf           it's so nice even I can remember it :)
10:35 kf           oh yes
10:35 drojf        do you have a bug number?
10:35 kf           drojf: could you consider signing off n my recent attempts to fix the german web installer? :)
10:35 drojf        hi kf :)
10:34 kf           bug
10:34 kf           nope
10:34 drojf        quiet around here. did i miss some kind of holiday?
10:27 drojf        is it the expected behaviour for fields hidden in OPAC (via marc frameworks) to appear in records saved from the OPAC?
10:23 drojf        hi #koha
08:53 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.2°C (10:45 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
08:53 kf           @wunder Konstanz
08:05 kf           hi AlexKdg
08:03 AlexKdg      http://www2.culture.gouv.fr/culture/deps/chiffres-cles2010/08-bibliotheques-2010.pdf
07:44 kf           :)
07:44 magnuse      or "mor'n" for short
07:43 kf           cool :)
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07:40 magnuse      "god morgen" is perfect
07:37 kf           what's good morning in norwegian?
07:37 kf           probably that is not right :P
07:37 kf           hm
07:37 kf           god morgen magnuse :)
07:36 magnuse      hiya kf
07:35 kf           good morning #koha
07:29 wahanui      que tal, clrh
07:29 clrh         hello
07:29 christophe_c hello #koha
07:09 dcook        bye magnuse :)
07:09 dcook        Au revoir :)
07:09 dcook        Bonjour tous les gens de France!
07:09 dcook        Looks like it's time for me to head off
07:04 wahanui      hello, asaurat
07:04 asaurat      hi
06:55 dcook        :p
06:55 huginn       magnuse: internet_explorer has neutral karma.
06:55 dcook        explorer--
06:55 magnuse      @karma internet_explorer
06:55 dcook        salut paul_p
06:55 huginn       magnuse: Karma for "explorer" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
06:55 magnuse      @karma explorer
06:55 magnuse      bonjour reiveune and paul_p
06:53 dcook        salut reiveune
06:53 dcook        I also dislike yui...
06:50 reiveune     hello
06:46 dcook        Seems like it should be less...:P
06:44 huginn       magnuse: Karma for "IE" has been increased 1 time and decreased 69 times for a total karma of -68.
06:44 magnuse      @karma IE
06:44 magnuse      moahahaha
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06:44 magnuse      @karma ie
06:43 magnuse      ie--
06:43 dcook        IE--
06:43 dcook        Especially IE 7 (and earlier)
06:43 dcook        As a sidenote, I hate IE
06:41 magnuse      yay
06:40 dcook        Aside from some rain, it's been great
06:40 dcook        Not that I'm complaining
06:40 dcook        So much for it getting colder
06:40 dcook        Hmm...
06:40 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 23.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
06:40 dcook        @wunder sydney, australia
06:39 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
06:39 magnuse      @wunder marseille
06:39 magnuse      woohoo
06:39 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
06:39 magnuse      @wunder boo
06:39 magnuse      ah
06:39 dcook        Almost. Only 4:35pm
06:38 magnuse      time to call it a day?
06:38 magnuse      hiya dcook
06:37 dcook        allo magnuse
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06:27 * magnuse    waves
05:29 dcook        ?
05:20 cait         that would have given me a headache
05:20 cait         :)
05:20 cait         ah thx
05:20 dcook        There you are, cait :)
04:50 jeff         got stuck in ORD due to delayed flights
04:50 jeff         travel+-
04:32 dcook        Cool. Just let me wrap up my current task and I'll take a look :)
04:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8294 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , enumeration should show in copy specific hold menu
04:29 cait         bug 8294
04:28 dcook        Oh?
04:27 cait         btw I need a few sign offs :)
04:22 dcook        I really just needed to know that 2 was Arrived :)
04:19 cait         no guarantees :)
04:18 dcook        ty
04:18 dcook        Cool :)
04:18 cait         but the other status I think yes
04:17 cait         delete? I don't think so
04:17 dcook        Is it recorded in the status column of the DB?
04:16 cait         there is also Delete - but that's more an action than a status
04:16 dcook        Mmm, that's right
04:16 cait         it adds closed
04:16 cait         it has
04:16 dcook        Can't remember if the "close a subscription" feature has made it in to master..
04:15 dcook        That's probably old..
04:15 dcook        [% IF ( serial.status1 ) %]Expected[% END %][% IF ( serial.status2 ) %]Arrived[% END %][% IF ( serial.status3 ) %]Late[% END %][% IF ( serial.status4 ) %]Missing[% END %][% IF ( serial.status5 ) %]Not Available[% END %][% IF ( serial.status7 ) %]Claimed[% END %]
04:15 dcook        Looks like serial-collection.tt has a good list though
04:15 dcook        Yep
04:15 wizzyrea     you mean received, expected, etc
04:14 dcook        Anyone know off hand what all the serial statuses are/mean?
04:14 cait         eythian++ thx for reviewing the packaging things :)
04:13 cait         if it was 4 I could go back to bed at least :)
04:12 dcook        Trying to book a 5 leg trip...yeesh
04:12 * dcook      has been plotting and changing plans
04:12 dcook        Actually, no...maybe only one day now...
04:12 wizzyrea     that part is trippy
04:12 dcook        But lose 2 days coming back :(
04:12 dcook        For Kohacon, I think I arrive slightly before I depart
04:11 wizzyrea     1608
04:11 wizzyrea     1600
04:11 dcook        2:08pm
04:11 wizzyrea        4
04:11 * cait       has been successfully confused
04:11 cait         so what time is it?
04:10 wizzyrea     except here
04:10 wizzyrea     yep. never mind me, idk what the hell time it is anywhere. :P
04:10 eythian      that would put you in the sea beside Australia or so, I think
04:10 cait         isn't it like... 4 for you?
04:09 cait         we are at 10
04:08 eythian      Central Yurp is normally at 1 but is now at 2.
04:08 eythian      we were at 13.
04:08 eythian      no, we're at 12
04:07 wizzyrea     oh are we at 11 at the moment?
04:07 cait         hmpf.
04:07 wizzyrea     ^ what he said
04:07 eythian      go back to bed, cait
04:07 cait         it's 6
04:07 cait         it's not :)
04:07 wizzyrea     gracious it's a little early for a cait
04:05 eythian      ibeardslee: no
04:03 ibeardslee   although at times sleep should be for A week.
04:02 ibeardslee   that should be weak
03:55 wahanui      i heard sleep was for the week
03:55 wizzyrea     sleep?
03:55 wizzyrea     I have child, therefore sleeping for a week is incredibly tempting, but utterly impossible.
03:54 wahanui      okay, eythian.
03:54 eythian      wahanui: sleep is also for the week
03:54 wizzyrea     only if you're sleeping for a week.
03:54 wizzyrea     hehe
03:54 eythian      no, sleep is for the week.
03:54 wizzyrea     ^ me, most days.
03:53 wizzyrea     sleep is for the wea...zzzzzz
03:53 mtompset     Well, I think I best follow jcamins' lead and grab sleep while possible.
03:52 dcook        I'm good ^_^
03:52 dcook        I have several sandwiches and a full water bottle
03:51 wizzyrea     I think he can live with it
03:51 mtompset     But dcook may be disappointed. :P
03:50 wizzyrea     nah I think I'll just avoid that
03:50 mtompset     ^out^our^
03:50 mtompset     You could use [off] then only out sensitive ears/eyes will be offended. ;)
03:49 wizzyrea     and blob.
03:49 eythian      I'm sure the kids are asleep.
03:49 mtompset     a play on the words lots, faster, and high volumes? ;)
03:49 eythian      Apparently it's 11:45pm.
03:48 wizzyrea     somewhere around NC-17
03:48 wizzyrea     at least this time.
03:47 wizzyrea     my jokes are decidedly higher rated than that.
03:47 * wizzyrea   was told this was a rated pg space.
03:47 dcook        I'll go make a sandwich. I hope to see some jokes when I come back :p
03:46 wizzyrea     no single joke could encompass it all.
03:46 wizzyrea     the comedy fodder, there's too much.
03:46 eythian      wizzyrea: why stop now?
03:46 dcook        wizzyrea: :P
03:46 eythian      yeah
03:46 dcook        The import script would create the record length when creating the marc blob?
03:46 * wizzyrea   summons all of her willpower to not make a terribly inappropriate joke
03:46 dcook        Now that I think about it...
03:45 dcook        Actually, lots faster for high volumes
03:45 dcook        Yeah, I've heard that it's faster
03:45 eythian      I think it's a bit faster to import, too
03:45 eythian      no particular reason, just habit mostly
03:45 dcook        Mmm
03:44 eythian      typically yeah
03:44 dcook        I take it you output as usmarc?
03:44 eythian      oh, then the length doesn't matter
03:44 dcook        marcxml
03:44 eythian      *get stuff like...
03:44 eythian      and LDR 00768pam a2200205 a 4500
03:44 eythian      I guess stuff like LDR 00843pam a2200193 a 4500
03:44 eythian      are you outputting as usmarc or marcxml?
03:44 dcook        I was a bit surprised originally
03:43 eythian      not what I'd expect
03:43 eythian      that's odd
03:43 eythian      hmm
03:43 dcook        00000pam a2200000ua 4500 in fact
03:43 dcook        In my test, I have 00000
03:43 dcook        Hmm
03:43 eythian      that's automatically computed by the MARC modules, so it doesn't go wrong.
03:42 dcook        I've wondered a bit about the record length..
03:42 eythian      that's not a reason to do it wrong, but most source data isn't detailed enough to generate a proper leader.
03:42 dcook        Absolutely
03:42 eythian      even with biblios, chunks of it are ignored.
03:42 dcook        though*
03:42 dcook        Not that I'm complaining thouhg
03:42 eythian      yeah
03:42 dcook        The beginning of the leader is just pretty nonsensical for an authority
03:42 dcook        I could see it working
03:42 dcook        Yeah, I think both you and jcamins were saying that
03:41 eythian      it works well for authorities, I've done it before
03:41 dcook        At least in the authority context
03:40 dcook        Looking at it now...it is rather bizarre O_o
03:40 wahanui      the is a stop word
03:40 dcook        What the..
03:40 eythian      I think I just pulled that leader from something and made it the default.
03:40 dcook        It's been a while since I looked at my experiment
03:39 dcook        Ah, I see the leader there
03:39 eythian      (well, 'easy' is relative)
03:39 eythian      everything else is fairly easy to set up.
03:39 eythian      that's something that I'll be fixing some time
03:39 eythian      dcook: it slaps a default leader in without really caring what it is, and you can't yet change much of it.
03:39 dcook        I have a note to myself about a 942 as weell..
03:38 mtompset     oh, and koha-auth is available in squeeze-dev. ;)
03:38 dcook        You have to supply your own leader, 001/003/005/008, right?
03:38 eythian      actually, yes, I remember.
03:38 eythian      it's quite possible
03:37 dcook        I think that's the same one you linked me to the other day
03:37 eythian      dcook: anyway, it's in that repo I linked above. All changes are in there.
03:37 dcook        Definitely an issue
03:37 eythian      add a feature for this case, and forgetting to merge it back in
03:37 mtompset     Yes, 23:33 EDT, wizzyrea.
03:37 dcook        Eeep!
03:37 eythian      I was finding I was accidentally making forks of it
03:37 dcook        I keep meaning to try it out..
03:36 eythian      dcook: yeah
03:36 dcook        As in having a central repo for it?
03:36 eythian      mtompset: It's not that late on the east coast of Australia
03:36 wizzyrea     You mean 23:32 EDT?
03:36 dcook        eythian: You were talking about a canonical source for csvtomarc.pl?
03:36 mtompset     You mean 11:32 PM EDT? ;)
03:36 mtompset     You mean 11:32 EDT? ;)
03:36 wizzyrea     :D
03:36 mtompset     Good night, jcamins. :)
03:36 dcook        Whoa when did 1:30pm happen?
03:35 dcook        night, jcamins
03:35 eythian      catch you later
03:35 eythian      it's barely an afternoon
03:34 jcamins      Good night, #koha.
03:34 * jcamins    calls it a night.
03:34 jcamins      Yay!
03:34 * eythian    combines CSV fields with wild abandon
03:34 eythian      I like when I find a feature in csvtomarc that I wrote a couple of years ago, forgot about, and now it's exactly what I need.
03:33 dcook        It's now on the to do list :D
03:32 jcamins      It's going to be like a bolt of light striking.
03:32 dcook        etc*
03:32 dcook        The films, the screenplays, the graphic novels, the novels, et
03:32 jcamins      Here we go: http://www.bibsocamer.org/bibdef.htm
03:32 dcook        Personally, I love the idea of searching "Hamlet" and finding all sorts of different expressions or manifestations or whatevers of Hamlet
03:31 jcamins      Greatest article ever.
03:31 dcook        Eeee!
03:31 jcamins      Let me find it.
03:31 jcamins      You know what you should read?
03:31 dcook        hehe
03:31 jcamins      Bibliography!
03:31 jcamins      My favorite subject!
03:31 dcook        Yeah, maybe expression and manifestation could be combined
03:31 jcamins      Ah!
03:31 jcamins      I disagree with FRBR on principle.
03:31 dcook        I'm intrigued by this other idea
03:31 dcook        Yeah, I know
03:31 jcamins      It's Work/Expression/Manifestation/Item.
03:30 jcamins      dcook: no, you had it right.
03:30 jcamins      And if that's not your goal, Expression and Manifestation should be combined.
03:30 dcook        work/edition/issue/state
03:30 mtompset     True enough, dcook.
03:30 dcook        And correctly linking/attributing the right author to the right work
03:30 jcamins      If you're interested in talking about work/edition/issue/state, that's what you should talk about.
03:30 dcook        mtompset: Authorities become really important when you're trying to differentiate between a hundred different John Smiths
03:29 * jcamins    dislikes WEMI altogether.
03:29 dcook        ta bgkriegel
03:29 bgkriegel    bye all
03:29 dcook        I like the abstract idea of WEMI, but...
03:28 eythian      no problem
03:28 dcook        Oh FRBR...
03:28 jcamins      Probably won't happen until after May 22.
03:28 jcamins      It has been added to my to-do list.
03:28 eythian      by all means
03:28 jcamins      I should submit a pull request against that.
03:28 jcamins      eythian: nice!
03:27 jcamins      dcook: bwahaha! It's a FRBR joke!
03:27 wahanui      http://marc-must-die.info
03:27 eythian      wahanui: marc
03:27 wahanui      The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.
03:27 eythian      wahanui: marc
03:26 dcook        MARC certainly has its issues...
03:26 dcook        Apparently 040 also relates to 008/39
03:26 eythian      https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/koha-toolbox/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox/ <-- jcamins. I've been cleaning it out a bit, and adding my stuff to it, along with actual migration scripts to act as examples.
03:26 dcook        It's kind of neat sometimes
03:26 dcook        You can see a 040 with a huge string of subfields
03:25 dcook        yep
03:25 jcamins      eythian: actually, you mean both.
03:25 eythian      I might mean 035 instead of 040
03:25 dcook        and 010
03:25 dcook        016 too I think
03:25 mtompset     Isn't that the point of storing the whole MARC record?
03:25 dcook        Sometimes also the 035
03:25 jcamins      eythian: you had not.
03:25 eythian      mtompset: also 040$a
03:25 eythian      jcamins: unrelated, but have I told you that I've established a canonical source for csvtomarc?
03:24 dcook        That's partially where the 001/003 come in
03:24 wizzyrea     ha
03:24 wizzyrea     mtompset: it does, sorta
03:24 eythian      mtompset: it sorta does have that
03:24 dcook        hehe
03:24 mtompset     also, wouldn't it be handy to have a trail of where the data came from?
03:24 eythian      quite :)
03:24 jcamins      Have horror, will travel. :)
03:24 eythian      and so needs to carry all its context with it
03:24 eythian      in that a MARC record is a self-contained thing that may travel
03:23 eythian      well, also library data tends to be used differently to a regular database of data
03:23 mtompset     It seems like it is a sort of what level of normalization is required problem, and the Librarians and CS folks don't quite see eye to eye, because the CS folks don't have all the facts about how authorities are used?
03:23 * dcook      had a feelings that's what jcamins meant
03:23 * dcook      twitches
03:23 jcamins      You can recognize the type of person I have in mind because they say things like "it's just a foreign key, why do you need an entire MARC record"?
03:23 dcook        Really, if there isn't a librarian to look after them, I would highly suggest not using them
03:22 dcook        mtompset: As you can see, there's a lot to authorities ;)
03:21 mtompset     just wanted to make sure I didn't assume incorrectly. :)
03:21 jcamins      I had in mind the people who are experts in database theory.
03:20 eythian      mtompset: computer science
03:20 mtompset     What did you mean by CS people, jcamins?
03:19 jcamins      eythian: I agree completely.
03:19 eythian      jcamins: hmm, I just hold the opinion that people are terrible and need to be protected from themselves as much as feasible. That naturally follows on to things like authority records.
03:19 mtompset     But aren't authorities a sort of index of information unto themselves?
03:18 jcamins      (with the exception of people who actually work in libraries, of course, who eventually realize that authority records in fact _do_ do more than simply add overhead)
03:17 jcamins      eythian: actually, my experience has been that the more expert a CS person is, the more they think that authorities are unnecessary.
03:17 mtompset     CS people?
03:17 dcook        But then you also need a librarian who is willing to look after the authorities, especially if they aren't actually authoritative authorities
03:17 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @vanzijlp: "@kohails has Koha got a mobile app"
03:17 dcook        Yeah, it does get more problematic when you have a longer list
03:16 eythian      if it's a short list, yeah
03:16 dcook        If they want a simple way of just choosing "authoritative" spellings, it might make more sense to just use an authorized_value list
03:16 eythian      jcamins: presumably only the CS people who haven't had to deal with the data that users type into computers, right?
03:15 dcook        I've had career cataloguers mention that is where a lot of the "librarian" work comes in as well. They have lib techs do a lot of the data entry and they do the authority policing as it were
03:15 jcamins      CS people rarely understand why/when they are necessary, in my experience.
03:14 jcamins      Librarians will demand authorities if they need them, most of the time.
03:14 dcook        Exactly
03:14 dcook        Mhm
03:14 dcook        But...it makes me think if they haven't used authorities...maybe they shouldn't use them
03:14 jcamins      ... but if your librarians don't use authorities, you should be asking yourself if they need authorities at all.
03:14 dcook        True
03:13 bgkriegel    It's not perfect, but a starting point. Mainly for librarians that never used authorities
03:13 mtompset     Oh, that would be more painful.
03:13 jcamins      Much more painful.
03:13 jcamins      And because you'll end up with duplicates.
03:13 mtompset     (which is just as painful and entering one at a time?)
03:12 mtompset     Because you'll have to re-edit them to correct mistakes?
03:12 jcamins      Personally, I think generating any authorities with link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is a bad idea that can only end in pain.
03:12 bgkriegel    http://search.cpan.org/dist/Koha-Contrib-Tamil/
03:12 bgkriegel    cpan
03:11 mtompset     bgkriegel: where is the koha-auth script?
03:11 jcamins      dcook: it generates authorities only if you tell it -- basically -- "I think I have all the authorities, and if not, I'd like the gaps filled in."
03:11 mtompset     Okay, but why would you want an authority for a bib or bibs that you don't have in your collection?
03:10 jcamins      You get the authorities from an authority.
03:10 jcamins      Easily.
03:10 mtompset     if the bibs don't exist, how can you have an authority record?
03:09 dcook        what?
03:09 dcook        That's...
03:09 dcook        O_o
03:09 jcamins      It generates authorities in some circumstances but only as a side effect of it doing its job.
03:08 jcamins      That's it.
03:08 jcamins      Only.
03:08 jcamins      It is for linking existing bibs to existing authorities.
03:08 bgkriegel    I used frederic demians script, koha-auth, to extract auth data and to link
03:08 mtompset     Okay, just looked at link_bibs_to_authorities.pl -- what's wrong with it? Other than it seems a little too automatic.
03:08 jcamins      I guess that is kind of the point.
03:08 dcook        hehe
03:08 jcamins      Well, yeah.
03:07 dcook        As you should :)
03:07 dcook        Although then you still have authority work to do as a librarian
03:07 jcamins      But I use authorities for actual authoritative data.
03:07 dcook        Output as CSV, csvtomarc.pl them, import, then link_bibs_to_authorities.pl
03:07 dcook        You can extract your existing subjects, authors, etc from your DB
03:06 jcamins      I use CSVs, when I have to generate them.
03:06 dcook        Right
03:06 * dcook      tries to remember the conversation that jcamins, dcook, eythian, et al had a while back
03:06 eythian      I've made them from CSVs before.
03:06 dcook        jcamins++
03:06 jcamins      Just so we're clear.
03:05 jcamins      And link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is almost certainly not the right tool for the job.
03:05 dcook        Hmm
03:05 jcamins      It'd be very useful.
03:05 mtompset     build a list, get the user to confirm them, fill them in.
03:04 mtompset     That sounds like a potentially useful tool to write then?
03:04 jcamins      Other than "create each one by hand."
03:04 jcamins      Not even a hard and slow way, really.
03:04 jcamins      There is not, no.
03:04 mtompset     home -> cataloging -> search catalog -> the -> choose something to Edit Record -> 1 or 7 tab -> tag editor -> search?
03:04 eythian      Not that I know of, but I don't deal with them all that much.
03:03 mtompset     Is there a quick and easy way to populate missing authorities?
03:03 eythian      Hmm. how are you searching them?
03:02 mtompset     I know I have some authorities, because I watched a full zebra reindex.
03:02 eythian      They prevent you having "Will. M Shakespaar" and "Willy S." and "William Shakespeare" all meaning one person.
03:02 mtompset     I search the authorities. No results.
03:02 mtompset     Okay, so let's say I have biblio records with 700$a's and 100$a's filled in.
03:01 eythian      authorities are templates for parts of biblio records.
03:01 mtompset     Okay. Forgive me, I am not a librarian. Can someone explain authorities to me? :)
03:01 dcook        There's no reason to change a 001
03:01 dcook        Which goes back to what you guys were saying
03:00 dcook        "For interchange purposes, documentation of the structure of the control number and input conventions should be provided to exchange partners by the organization initiating the interchange."
02:59 dcook        But now that I think about it...001 should always be internal..
02:58 dcook        But there are invalid and valid identifiers for 003
02:58 dcook        Right
02:58 eythian      you can put who created them in 003
02:58 dcook        Ack
02:58 dcook        But 003s are..
02:58 dcook        I suppose control numbers might not be official?
02:57 dcook        And you haven't had an official control number before that?
02:57 dcook        How about if you wan to start distributing your records?
02:56 jcamins      Or creating a new record.
02:56 jcamins      Except for when you are merging records.
02:54 eythian      I don't think you're supposed to update the 001 anyway
02:53 dcook        It would not be nice to update a 001 for the parent and not the child $w...
02:52 dcook        That's interesting...
02:52 dcook        Hmm
02:52 wizzyrea     ^ speaking of learning new things
02:51 eythian      ta
02:51 jcamins      eythian: yes.
02:51 eythian      and something stuff to the leader
02:50 eythian      jcamins: 773$w of the child should contain the value in 001 of the parent, yeah?
02:46 dcook        Learn something new every day..
02:46 dcook        Never even heard of that script
02:43 mtompset     And I was getting an error log entry.
02:43 mtompset     well, it seemed weird to me that blinddetail-biblio-search.pl has a == instead of eq
02:42 eythian      mtompset: yeah, subfields are usually characters actually.
02:42 mtompset     And spell better. :)
02:42 mtompset     Now to figure out how to test it. ARG!
02:41 mtompset     Not to figure out how to test it. ARG!
02:41 mtompset     Then I have found a bug. :)
02:41 jcamins      Correct.
02:41 dcook        Subfields?
02:41 mtompset     -- While I see other people here, am I correct to assume that subfields are character and not numeric (ie. eq not ==)?
02:40 dcook        Touché, eythian
02:40 wizzyrea     people do strange things.
02:40 wizzyrea     people do strange things when they are testing.
02:40 eythian      dcook: in that case they should set up a .onion address :)
02:40 dcook        Maybe they're super underground ;)
02:40 dcook        Maybe they don't want to use DNS?
02:40 mtompset     While I see other people here, am I correct to assume that subfields are character and not numeric (ie. eq not ==)?
02:40 eythian      yeah, but they shouldn't do that. If they can't work out DNS, they shouldn't be making a public server. They should be finding someone to help them with it.
02:39 wizzyrea     if it can be done, people will try to do it
02:39 mtompset     But you can't rule out the strangeness that people will attempt.
02:38 mtompset     It's a really bizarre one, so it isn't normal.
02:37 eythian      I don't consider IP address access on a public server to be an option :)
02:37 wahanui      mtompset: I forgot which
02:37 mtompset     forget which
02:37 wahanui      okay, mtompset.
02:37 mtompset     Which is also why the instructions say to talk to the system, network administrators.
02:37 wizzyrea     you can do hosts for a server with a public IP, it's just exceedingly not optimal
02:36 wizzyrea     or the server is public
02:36 eythian      there is no real other option
02:36 eythian      but in that case, someone _must_ set up DNS
02:35 wizzyrea     of course
02:35 wizzyrea     is a problem if you want it for public
02:35 mtompset     Right, and if the IP addresses are on the same subnet, it should work.
02:35 wizzyrea     if you can't sort DNS
02:35 wizzyrea     technically, you could put the entry in any machine's hosts file
02:35 mtompset     That too.
02:35 dcook        I suppose the problem is when the librarian doesn't realize it is just running locally?
02:34 mtompset     That's exactly what the instructions do.
02:34 dcook        Good one
02:34 wizzyrea     to bypass DNS
02:34 dcook        Mmm
02:34 * wizzyrea   would suggest adding the names to the local hosts file in that case
02:34 dcook        O_o
02:34 mtompset     not using named hosts.
02:33 dcook        In that case, since it's for testing purposes...can't they run it by just using the local IP address?
02:32 mtompset     (or server, assuming you can figure out how to navigate lynx)
02:31 mtompset     I wrote the wiki instructions with the mindset of a desktop ubuntu terminal running it as library.framisdooby.org and library-intra.framisdooby.org
02:30 mtompset     And their IT department doesn't want to set it up, because it is for testing purposes.
02:30 mtompset     The problem also becomes when some librarian at some university (for example) wants to try out Koha, but they can't get library.university.edu to work, because their IT department is incharge of the DNS set up.
02:29 dcook        Mhm
02:29 mtompset     It's that tumultuous mess that makes writing the perfect set of instructions impossible.
02:28 dcook        Lots of variables
02:28 dcook        I suppose that's why support companies exist, eh?
02:28 mtompset     Is it a different terminal, and then they need to set up DNS stuff?
02:28 dcook        For anyone wanting to run a prod machine, for sure
02:27 mtompset     Is that the same terminal running desktop ubuntu?
02:27 mtompset     The problem becomes getting them to have the apache2 server accessible from the machine that they want it accessible from.
02:27 * dcook      shrugs
02:27 mtompset     The default packages work best with the named host method.
02:26 mtompset     So which way do you write instructions for?
02:26 mtompset     There are multiple ways to configure apache2.
02:26 mtompset     That's the problem.
02:26 dcook        But, at least you will have it installed..
02:26 dcook        So when it doesn't work according to plan, you're still hooped
02:26 dcook        But if you have fool proof instructions, you also don't learn how to do anything but follow instructions
02:25 dcook        I have this dream of being able to hand some instructions to librarians I know so that they can set up Koha
02:25 dcook        Hmm
02:25 dcook        But it's not about me
02:25 dcook        I can research like a champ though ;)
02:25 dcook        My networking/sys admin background is...a bit of what I've picked up here at work...and from the last web server that I set up at home in 2011
02:24 mtompset     There in is the problem.
02:24 dcook        Which they might not
02:24 mtompset     Assuming they have some networking and system administration background.
02:24 mtompset     The Determine IP Address step is confusing for the utter novice, but it should be clear enough for someone trying to jump from the package install to a web install steps.
02:23 mtompset     If you do ubuntu, I would recommend http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
02:22 mtompset     It would seem that INSTALL.ubuntu is for Jaunty?!
02:20 dcook        My "To Do" list still has "set up Koha" on Debian (and maybe Ubuntu) at home, so the better the install instructions I use...the better I can comment and suggest revisions :)
02:20 mtompset     in a git clone, (or a tar.gz) of koha, there are three ubuntu installation instruction files: INSTALL.ubuntu, INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04, and INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid
02:19 dcook        But I'm intrigued
02:19 dcook        I'm not sure I follow
02:18 mtompset     Thought I would come here and ask what people's opinion about three install.ubuntu type files are, and what sort of instructions should be in a single one?
02:17 dcook        allo mtompset
02:16 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
01:36 dcook        Sorry to hear that too
01:36 dcook        Not saying it should be, jcamins ;)
01:36 jcamins      I donated way more time to that feature than it was worth.
01:36 jcamins      Well, that's not going to be me.
01:36 dcook        Or someone implements them for the search results and up in the corner for the detail page :p
01:35 jcamins      Sure.
01:35 wizzyrea     probably should
01:35 dcook        Perhaps instead it should say "in the images tab on the details page"
01:35 dcook        "local cover images on intranet search and details pages."
01:34 wizzyrea     you can see them in the staff client, they're just not in the spot where you expect them.
01:34 jcamins      For the tab.
01:33 dcook        It seems like there might be some code in a few places too
01:33 dcook        I had a feeling that might be the case, but then why the LocalCoverImages syspref?
01:33 dcook        O_o
01:33 jcamins      It was never implemented at all.
01:33 jcamins      dcook: it's not really a problem.
01:31 dcook        The OPAC is looking good but they're not appearing at all in the staff client, even with LocalCoverImages syspref turned on
01:31 dcook        Has anyone had problems with local cover images not appearing in the staff client?
00:23 dcook        hey ya wizzyrea
00:22 * wizzyrea   waves
00:06 jcamins      They're delicious.
00:04 dcook        Although I can't say I'm much of a wasabi/horseradish fan
00:03 dcook        Sounds even more intriguing
00:02 jcamins      I have been foiled by the time, so I'm making wasabi-ginger chocolate chip cookies instead.
00:00 dcook        Looks intriguing