Time Nick Message 23:45 eythian bag: khall_away: I think there's a lot of rewrites of parts in there. It might give some ideas of where you'll have to look. 23:43 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/bywater/wr78012 <-- the whole branch is here. 23:41 eythian hopefully you can use some of that to save time 23:41 bag heh 23:41 bag eythian++ 23:41 bag all the good things! 23:41 bag sweet 23:41 bag thanks 23:41 bag nice! 23:39 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=Koha/Accounts.pm;h=d9168cadab5110af834c3af65ad9bafd9cda09e4;hb=844513025171cdffab9df6d584e6158ce5ada781 <-- bag, khall_away: there's a lot of POD on here describing what I ws aiming to do 23:36 bag oh yes please send those docs along! 23:34 eythian khall_away: good luck with the rewrite, I started that (ages ago) and it turns out everything talks to the account database directly. If you have a look for the docs that I did, it might give you a start for design, anyway. 23:05 tcohen great 23:03 eythian I'm looking at fixing it now 23:03 tcohen hmmm, looks like you're right eythian 22:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 22:59 eythian I think due to bug 9172 22:57 eythian tcohen: master fails a package build at the moment. 22:41 wahanui rumour has it eythian is an expert bot trainer 22:41 bag hey eythian 22:38 wahanui privet, eythian 22:38 eythian hi 21:47 ibeardslee in a way it doesn't matter, it is adding to the disruption already going on 21:45 rambutan yea, it's been going both ways 21:45 drojf rambutan: seems like they are back to »fire-related« now 21:32 rambutan seems like the event at JFK Library is being called an explosion 21:22 bag yeah not good at all 21:22 cait :( 21:21 rangi yuck 21:20 wizzyrea they turned off cell phone access 21:19 wizzyrea two more bombs found, being dismantled 21:18 magnuse not good! 21:18 wizzyrea *nod* 21:18 magnuse is that in boston? 21:17 wizzyrea :( really terrible all around. 21:17 rambutan news reports aren't clear about whether the JFK library was just a fire or an explosion 21:14 rangi heh, whoops owen and I both signed, lemme add my signoff to owens 21:13 cait morning rangi 21:13 rangi morning 20:26 bag man a fire at the JFK library the same time as the bombings 20:26 bag 20:16 mtompset okay, bit 8 = reserve for self, something related to 22 to 30 where it got removed. 20:12 mtompset Greetings, drojf. :) 20:12 jcamins Ha! 20:12 jcamins Fun! 20:11 mtompset what about a full un-migration path? ;) 20:11 khall : )= 20:10 cait well, you will have lots of fun with that ;) 20:10 khall indeed, my primary directive is to make sure there is a full migration path 20:10 cait khall: and it has to have all important data for accounting 20:09 cait khall: difficult part is keeping our data intact I guess 20:09 mtompset does anyone remember what bits 8 and 18 were for permissions? 20:05 jatara i appreciate your help. :) 20:05 magnuse yay 20:03 khall it's a perfect way to start using dbix class too 20:03 khall cait, yeah, I think's it's something that's necessary and due 20:03 jatara all right. i'll have the db reindexed. 19:57 * cait thinks jcamins is right 19:57 jcamins The fact that the records are still showing up in searches means that your indexes got out of sync. 19:56 jcamins jatara: there is no other option. You must reindex zebra. 19:55 jatara magnuse...was hoping not go that route. 19:54 cait I rmemeber he sent the pod for a new module to the list 19:54 cait I think he wanted to do that too 19:53 khall yeah, I've looked it over. I want to start from scratch, take all the data and functionality that's accrued over time and give it a full integration. The number of subs we have for making payments is silly! 19:52 cait khall: did you see the comment from robin about the accounts rewrite branch? 19:52 magnuse jatara: rebuild your zebra index, perhaps? 19:46 jatara I have a question...I'm trying to re-import some previously reverted records. Unfortunately, some of these records aren't coming up at all. They were newly created, then deleted when I reverted the import. Now any new import keeps matching againt the deleted record. Any idea how to fix this? 19:29 chris_n lol 19:28 mtompset more speed less haste. ;) 19:28 jcamins ... I wonder how many people actually _do_ write off library fines. 19:27 jcamins :) 19:27 jcamins Someone is trying to write off library fines. 19:27 khall no that fast 19:27 chris_n worlds fastest coder ;-) 19:27 jcamins chris_n: it's because of the tax deadline. 19:27 khall ha! I need to change that to 'when it gets done' 19:27 chris_n >>> Sponsored by ByWater Solutions and developed by Kyle M Hall, expected for/deadline: 2013-04-15 19:26 * chris_n thinks its great that khall will have the accounting rewrite finished up by today 19:22 mtompset I guess I am now mapping the whole system, because this is crazy. I need to be able to trigger errors when I want. :( 19:17 mtompset Hmmm... now it is working. ARG! 19:09 jcamins That's what you'd get if you printed something to the browser before the headers, though. 19:09 oleonard No, you should never get that. 19:06 mtompset Guess that's what you get when you try to get Koha to save a mostly blank authority record. 19:02 mtompset But the page has valid html source. 19:02 mtompset I did, interestingly, get a nice white screen of nothing. 19:02 jcamins That should be the intranet. 19:01 mtompset I'm looking at /home/mtompset/koha-dev/var/log/koha-error_log 19:01 oleonard mtompset: Maybe you're looking at the opac instead of the intranet error log or vice versa? 19:01 jcamins It didn't work? 19:00 jcamins warn "whatever" 19:00 jcamins mtompset: yeah. That's easy. What's hard is getting things to not show up in the error log. 19:00 mtompset I thought "warn" would do that. 19:00 mtompset Any ideas on how to trigger output into the koha error log intentionally? 18:57 * cait hands jcamins cookies 18:57 cait yeah, you are a grumpy person 18:57 jcamins cait: I think that too. 18:57 jcamins Not that this should be a surprise... I think I put in my proposal something along the lines of "as RM I will be irrascible and cantankerous." 18:57 cait jcamins: I think more things are working than used to... but I might just have seen worse :) 18:56 mtompset Me too. :) 18:56 * jcamins has a short fuse. 18:56 jcamins It's okay. 18:56 mtompset I'm sorry if I induced feelings of stress by complaining. :) 18:56 jcamins Something I never appreciated until I became RM. 18:54 jcamins The number of things in Koha that _aren't_ broken in some way and people don't complain about asymptotically approaches zero. 18:53 jcamins Something like that, yes. 18:53 mtompset Then why would thinking of Koha ruin your mood? responsibilities piling up for RM task? 18:52 jcamins mtompset: no. 18:52 mtompset Are you on vacation, jcamins? 18:51 oleonard I'll take your word for it 18:50 jcamins oleonard: but accurate, no? 18:50 oleonard Harsh! 18:49 jcamins Actually, I was more thinking "I'll be in a better mood if I am not reminded of Koha at all." 18:49 mtompset Not being here may increase productivity. 18:49 * mtompset nods. 18:48 jcamins I feel compelled to try and answer questions. 18:48 * jcamins should probably not be on #koha, come to think of it. 18:48 mtompset Thanks for that word of encouragement, jcamins. :P 18:48 jcamins mtompset: unfortunately, unless you're volunteering, my official stance as RM is "that's nice." 18:47 mtompset Well, I think someone in Q/A bug hunting/fixing needs to run through authorities, because I think there are some issues in that section. :( 18:46 jcamins If they don't, then that's a bug, and whatever the second one does should be done by a button with a less misleading function. 18:46 jcamins They do. 18:45 mtompset Yes, but I'm not sure they do the same thing. 18:44 jcamins The first is always visible. 18:44 jcamins *That 18:44 jcamins Tht second one can be eliminated. 18:44 jcamins I see! 18:44 jcamins Ah. 18:44 mtompset scroll down. 18:44 jcamins I only see one button. 18:43 mtompset Try adding a new authority, for example. 18:43 mtompset several locations while hunting for how to trigger this blind thing. 18:41 jcamins Where do you see that? 18:40 mtompset And two save buttons on the authorities stuff seems weird, when one isn't styled. 18:38 mtompset *sigh* This is frustrating not knowing how to trigger this bug. 18:38 jcamins Yup. 18:37 mtompset just did a git pull and a bunch of tiny_mce moved. ;) 18:36 jcamins No explanation, then. 18:36 jcamins Ah. 18:36 mtompset Not in master yet. 18:34 jcamins In that case, intranet-tmpl instead of opac-tmpl. 18:34 mtompset I'm playing with the staff client, but anyways... 18:34 jcamins Or something like that. 18:34 jcamins I think you may find they were moved from /opac-tmpl/prog/en/famfamfam/ to /opac-tmpl/lib/famfamfam 18:34 mtompset famfamfam/silk? 18:33 jcamins All the famfamfam icons were moved, I think. 18:33 mtompset Hmmm... compared to 3.8.6 it may not have been added. 18:30 jcamins And actually, I don't think the icons were removed yet... most likely it's just that the path changed. 18:30 mtompset while actually searching for how to trigger a unrelated bug. 18:30 jcamins Ah. 18:29 mtompset I didn't know until I hit this. 18:29 jcamins mtompset: there were *three* messages to the list asking that people let it be known if they were using other icons. 18:29 mtompset ARG! Someone cleaned up the comments.png from the famfamfam folder. 18:26 jcamins (and, just like in Hamlet, it ends well for no one) 18:25 jcamins The HTML5/DOM selection API: MARC meets mouse, mouse loses 18:24 magnuse huh? ;-) 18:24 wahanui right now is testing just somebody seeing if it works? 18:24 magnuse right now 18:24 magnuse and i will 18:24 magnuse hehe 18:24 jcamins Well, you should. :P 18:24 jcamins That's why I think we should rename it. 18:23 jcamins Yes. 18:23 magnuse well, consistency IS good... 18:23 jcamins But it only matters insofar as it makes things more consistent. 18:23 magnuse ok, will do 18:23 jcamins Renaming it sounds like a good idea. 18:23 magnuse jcamins: any recommendations/wishes? rename it or WONTFIX? 18:22 jcamins So, no. 18:22 jcamins magnuse: only that you have to use the use xsltproc biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xml... instead of xsltproc biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml... 18:19 magnuse have fun tcohen 18:19 tcohen bye #koha 18:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9804 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Wrong name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 18:18 magnuse jcamins: lazy question: does the problem described in bug 9804 have any practical implications? 18:17 magnuse nah 18:17 cait those ARE proper bugs 18:17 magnuse cait: ah, just normarc bugs, though, not proper bugs... 18:16 mtompset eq vsa. == problem. 18:16 mtompset something related to authorities: blinddetail-biblio-search.pl 18:15 cait magnuse: fixing bugs:) 18:15 tcohen which bug mtompset ? 18:14 mtompset ARG! I hate knowing a bug exists and the patch, but not being able to figure out how to test it. 18:14 magnuse ? 18:13 cait magnuse++ 18:13 mtompset why did you use a different style on the for do done vs. if then fi, tcohen? 18:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations 18:10 tcohen mtompset: when u have the time, could u tell me what do u think about bug 10041? 18:01 jcamins decode() does not. 18:00 mtompset Thanks for the link. My mistake. 18:00 jcamins http://perldoc.perl.org/utf8.html 17:59 jcamins Of course. 17:59 mtompset utf8::decode modifies $_? 17:59 jcamins And it looks like it does the same thing to me. 17:58 jcamins Presumably to prevent double encoding. 17:57 mtompset Why did they change the code? I don't think the change does the same thing. 17:57 mtompset http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=17187&action=diff 17:56 jcamins (i.e. it's not strange at all that it broke) 17:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 17:54 jcamins I'm sure it's related to bug 6554. 17:53 mtompset Now, I have tcohen's problem. 17:53 jcamins There were 40+ patches in between those two revisions. 17:53 mtompset I did an update to 202. 17:53 mtompset no problems with es-ES. 17:53 mtompset I was running 200 from squeeze-dev in QA. 17:53 mtompset yes, which is why it is strange that it BROKE... after upgrading like that. 17:52 jcamins mtompset: you do know that those numbers refer to database updates not patches, right? 17:52 magnuse ah, thanks, i thought you meant years - never mind me! 17:52 mtompset Yes. 17:52 mtompset 3.11.00.200 and 3.11.00.202 17:51 magnuse mtompset: did you mean 200 and 202? 17:51 * magnuse wonders how long the 008 value builder for normarc has been unusable 17:51 tweetbot [off] twitter: @DavidNind: "@shaunm @nengard is the Documentation Manager for Koha #kohails http://t.co/flRQh8rCI9" 17:51 tweetbot [off] twitter: @opensourceway: "What's the best thing about @kohails? You pick: it's free, #opensource, and the first of its kind for libraries | http://t.co/thGv3INTmD" 17:51 tweetbot [off] twitter: @gsDetermination: "What's the best thing about @kohails? You pick: it's free, #opensource, and the first of its kind for libraries | http://t.co/axwjjq30i7" 17:51 tweetbot [off] twitter: @nengard: "@shaunm I am the doc manager for #kohails - nice to "meet" you" 17:49 mtompset But I'm not sure they are the cause. 17:48 mtompset It didn't in 200. There were only two patches added in 202 that busted it. 17:48 * tcohen is freaking out, really 17:46 tcohen perl translate install es-ES makes my template ISO-8859-1? 17:46 tcohen ahhhhhhhhhh 17:45 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:44 jcamins "No, we mean... THERE'S NO KEYDOWN EVENT, DUMMY. WE JUST WROTE ABOUT IT IN THE SPEC TO TRIP YOU UP!" 17:44 magnuse yeah, who would want that? 17:44 jcamins That'd be silly. 17:43 jcamins "Oh, by the way, when we say there is a keydown event, we don't mean that there's an *actual* keydown event. 17:43 magnuse hehe 17:43 jcamins magnuse: an amount comparable to the amount I hate DOM. 17:43 * druthb gives wahanui the ebil eye 17:42 wahanui http://marc-must-die.info/ 17:42 druthb MARC must die! 17:42 magnuse did i ever tell you guys how much i hate MARC and NORMARC in particular? 17:36 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 17:36 magnuse @wunder marseille 17:31 druthb 37 is fairly-likely, and 40 is possible. 17:30 druthb 27 here is a *cool* day in Houston. It'll get *much* hotter later in the year. 17:29 magnuse not fun! 17:28 tcohen we (the people) are melting here 17:27 tcohen agree magnuse 17:25 cait 24 is quite nice :P 17:25 magnuse 27 is too much anyway :-) 17:25 magnuse yeah yeah, rub it in ;-) 17:25 magnuse hiya tcohen 17:25 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 27.0°C (2:00 PM ART on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 17:25 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 17:24 cait hi tcohen :) 17:24 cait :) 17:24 tcohen hi magnuse 17:22 magnuse but hey, the snow is melting! 17:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (6:50 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). 17:22 magnuse @wunder boo 17:22 magnuse wow 17:11 druthb Partly-cloudy here, not overcast…gorgeous day. 17:11 cait it's super warm and sunny outside! 17:11 cait it looks like we are skipping spring this year and are moving on directly into summer :) 17:11 huginn druthb: The current temperature in First Montrose Commons, Houston, Texas is 27.8°C (12:07 PM CDT on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 17:11 druthb @wunder 77098 17:10 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 17:10 cait @wunder Konstanz 16:34 gmcharlt heh 16:34 oleonard I always heard that clones burned out early 16:32 jcamins Hooray! Two gmcharlts! 16:23 magnuse tcohen: build-git-snapshot is your friend ;-) 16:17 huginn 04Bug 9850: normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update 16:17 nengard QA team: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 -- ready for QA and needs to get in to 3.12 16:13 tcohen c'mon eythian, lemme see those new packages from master 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9463 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on patron sent notices page 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on calendar page 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on circulation page 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9414 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9986 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Two fixes on Z3950 Search 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8770 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits 15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9463 [Revised] Use DataTables on patron sent notices page 15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9905 - Use DataTables on calendar page 15:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9887 [Revised] Use DataTables on circulation page 15:29 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9414 - Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian 15:29 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9986: Two fixes for Z3950 search 15:29 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9591 : Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item 15:29 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9933: Unable to edit or add rules for any branch except default 15:29 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8770 - amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits 15:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1139: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1139/ 15:26 reiveune bye 15:24 gaetan_B bye ! 15:09 rambutan tnx kf 15:09 rambutan ha! that worked! 15:08 kf /whois 15:08 rambutan ah, ic. I'll just use the contact form on the page--there's a bad database response on one. 15:08 kf try with a slash 15:08 huginn tcohen: Error: The command "whois" is available in the Internet and Network plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "whois". 15:08 tcohen @whois LBA 15:08 gmcharlt rambutan: Lori Ayre 15:07 rambutan one of the bots should be able to respond to "whois" 15:07 rambutan >whois LBA 15:07 gmcharlt rambutan: LBA is the driver behind it; she's shown up in channel occassionally 15:06 rambutan does the http://features.galecia.com site belong to anyone we know? gmcharlt maybe? 15:01 tcohen thanks jcamins 15:01 jcamins Yes, that's completely idiomatic. 15:00 tcohen and this longer version? "Check if all the po files are present for the specified language." (need it for man page) 15:00 jcamins *) 15:00 jcamins (adding "that"0 15:00 jcamins tcohen: it is, but I would prefer "Check that the language .PO files are present." 15:00 tcohen is this ok in english? "Check the language po files are present" 14:59 kf gaetan_B++ :) 14:59 * gaetan_B bows without really knowing how he deserved any honor 14:59 druthb gaetan_B++ 14:58 gaetan_B i think they need to find a translator until then 14:58 druthb kf++ 14:58 gaetan_B it will happen on thursday 14:58 kf :) 14:58 gaetan_B but i have played with the files they are ok thanks :) 14:58 kf oh ok 14:58 gaetan_B so basically the translation training didn't happen today as planned 14:58 gaetan_B kf: today while leaving the meeting, the interpreter / driver was telling me "you can't make a schedule here" 14:57 kf gaetan_B: I talked to druthb - think it was ok 14:57 kf gaetan_B: did the translations work? 14:50 gaetan_B hi kf :) 14:49 kf hi gaetan_B 14:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1139 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9463 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on patron sent notices page 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on calendar page 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on circulation page 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9414 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9986 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Two fixes on Z3950 Search 14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9463 [Revised] Use DataTables on patron sent notices page 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item 14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9905 - Use DataTables on calendar page 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries 14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9887 [Revised] Use DataTables on circulation page 14:18 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 9414 - Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian 14:18 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9986: Two fixes for Z3950 search 14:18 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9591 : Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item 14:18 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9933: Unable to edit or add rules for any branch except default 14:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #3: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/3/ 14:13 kf good mornign gmcharlt :) 14:13 kf but probably because I was looking for it 14:12 kf after I did the no. patch I saw lots of # in the templates 14:12 kf oleonard: I was thinking... maybe we shoudl have that noted somewhere - library wins over branch, be careful when you say budget and mean fund... use no. etc. 14:12 gmcharlt good morning 14:11 oleonard kf: I prefer "No." and that seems to narrowly win over "#" in current usage in the template 14:10 vfernandes filter activated :D 14:10 vfernandes ohhh wait 14:10 kf oh 14:09 vfernandes another question: koha 3.10 reports... i've created some of them and they aren't listed :/ 14:08 kf i blame the N° confusion for my insecurities 14:08 kf and I am no native speaker so I thought some things might be wrong 14:07 kf no, it just got a little late yesterday 14:07 kf :) 14:07 kf hmmmm 14:07 oleonard Did you leave in many mistakes to test me? 14:06 kf bit surprised you didn't find anything 14:06 kf oleonard: thank you :) oleonard++ 14:02 vfernandes with CSS and jQuery you can do a lot of things... 14:01 oleonard I'm curious because I'm always looking for ways we can make the templates more flexible for customization 14:00 vfernandes yes some littles ones, but mostly of client demands 13:59 oleonard vfernandes: Any template changes? 13:58 vfernandes some of them are a junction of CSS and JS code 13:57 magnuse now imagine if we could have nice css skins like that, that were easy to use and tweak... :-) 13:57 vfernandes it turned really nice 13:57 vfernandes I like the catalog from ISLA 13:56 kf all very nice :) 13:53 vfernandes thanks magnuse :) 13:52 vfernandes kf some academic libraries implement by my company: http://biblioteca.isla.pt/ http://catalogo.ubi.pt/ http://catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt/ 13:50 vfernandes that last one i've shown is for a arquitectural organization called "Ordem dos arquitectos" 13:50 magnuse vfernandes: those are good looking opacs! 13:49 kf i am looking for some nice academic library examples for a presentation 13:48 vfernandes yes, that's around it 13:48 kf I have aproblem with numbers today 13:48 kf 30,000 13:47 kf 30.0000 :) 13:47 kf oh i found it 13:47 kf vfernandes: how big is your library? 13:47 oleonard [% itemloop.size || 0 %] 13:47 kf right, good question 13:47 kf aah 13:47 kf ? 13:47 oleonard I wondered why the holdings tab didn't have the same problem 13:47 oleonard ...in other places 13:46 oleonard kf: In fact I notice that opac-detail.tt already uses a variation on that syntax for default values 13:46 kf oleonard: hope I didn't make you grumpy either :) 13:46 oleonard No 13:46 kf oleonard: did I scare you away? 13:46 vfernandes see this last production design: http://catalogo.biblioteca.oasrs.org/ 13:45 kf vfernandes: yes it's nice :) wish I was able to come up with something like that :) 13:45 jcamins A lot of rebasing. 13:45 jcamins Yeah, but it requires rebasing. 13:45 kf I was only asking because you said you had already done that somewher 13:44 vfernandes kf did you liked the design? 13:44 kf joking 13:44 kf not sure... 13:44 kf hmmm 13:44 jcamins And I think you'd prefer that 3.12 be released. 13:44 jcamins It's either do RM work or do development. 13:44 jcamins kf: don't count on it. 13:44 kf *hint* 13:44 kf if jcamins gets around to upload that patch for truncations ;) 13:43 kf yu might want to try out the queryparser when you update to 3.12 :) 13:43 vfernandes yes :) 13:43 kf but at elast we got it working :) 13:43 kf it's annoying 13:43 vfernandes for me that's enough :) 13:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9172' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=38dfbf865c59b04b115fd669859c13e4ba5e3049> / Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=77210d74353cbd2f968df462c2f1b968c3e7decd> / Merge branch 'bug_9463' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm 13:43 kf yay :) 13:43 vfernandes now it's fine 13:42 vfernandes kf I've changed queryautotruncate to automatically 13:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9715 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Variouse combinations of QueryAutoTruncate, QueryFuzzy and QueryWeightFields preferences Conflict 13:42 kf see bug 9715 13:42 kf try automatically 13:42 vfernandes "only if * is added" 13:42 kf and yes it could play a role 13:41 kf whta is your setting for queryautotruncate 13:41 kf hmm 13:41 vfernandes could be ICU? 13:40 kf I have never seen the 'any' index broken I think 13:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #3 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:40 kf and you didn't update? 13:39 kf nice beta design :) 13:39 kf that is confusing 13:39 kf hm 13:35 vfernandes try to do a search by "teste", and then by title "teste" 13:34 vfernandes http://catalog.koha.creddm.org/ 13:34 jcamins oleonard: thanks! 13:34 vfernandes see this link (beta design): catalog.koha.creddm.org 13:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 13:34 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Bug 9172 commit message" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/470 13:34 vfernandes title searches for example works 13:34 vfernandes yes, zebra is running 13:33 kf is zebrasrv running? 13:33 kf are you using dom or icu? what's the search that doesn't wokr? 13:33 vfernandes nop 13:33 kf vfernandes: so it never worked for that installation? 13:33 jcamins *could you paste 13:32 vfernandes only keyword 13:32 jcamins oleonard: could you the top part of `git show` on commit beb1e976e7c5da7d94218a13f97a6e0cb1d6dfac? 13:32 vfernandes no, clean install 13:32 kf could it be permissions? is it only keyword searches or all searches? 13:32 kf did you update and it stopped working? 13:32 kf vfernandes: I am not aware of ne 13:31 vfernandes guys, koha 3.10.2, MARC21 and kw searches? any related problem? 13:30 * magnuse wants to see that one fixed 13:30 magnuse and? :-) 13:30 jcamins That's what I thought. 13:29 oleonard I did 13:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 13:29 jcamins Who wrote the patch for Bug 9172? 13:29 vfernandes I'm having problems with kw searches 13:28 kf heh 13:27 oleonard Unless we made something up ;) [% heres-a-variable-I-made-up or "0" %] ;) 13:26 kf + <li><a href="#tab0XX">0</a></li> < different 13:26 kf ah, but probably would not work that way 13:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9952 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , MARC tab: tab 0 is not translated correctly 13:25 kf bug 9952 13:25 kf do you want to submit a patch for the other occurence too? 13:25 kf not at all 13:25 oleonard Well this method works for me. Tested with a freshly-generated translation. I'll submit an alternate patch if you don't mind. 13:24 kf only no better idea and the other is already in koha... so. 13:24 kf but was not happy with it really 13:23 kf oleonard: as long as that works I will be happy :) did you see the bug I linked to it? I just copied the solution from there 13:23 oleonard (and no surrounding IF) 13:23 oleonard [% reviews.size or "0" %] 13:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10049 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Comments tab shows ( ) instead of ( 0 ) on translated templates 13:23 oleonard kf: I have a counter-proposal for Bug 10049 13:22 kf :) 13:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use DataTables on calendar page 13:16 jcamins Bug 9905 13:16 kf ooooh 13:16 kf :) 13:16 jcamins Not that one. 13:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9985 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , The -r option to build-git-snapshot works only half way 13:16 jcamins Yay! Bug 9985 works perfectly with no issues. 13:12 kf the invoices detail page could use some of your magic :) 13:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10046 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Label budget should be fund on invoices page 13:12 kf and bug 10046 - because I think that needs your touch 13:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10023 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , degree notation in acq 13:12 kf oleonard: especially interested in your opinion on bug 10023 13:10 jcamins Yeah, I had the new sort erroring out. 13:10 jcamins I cleared my cache and that fixed it. 13:10 kf it's only the checkout tab and you need the pref 13:10 kf jcamins: did you see my comment? 13:09 oleonard Uh oh, that's a foreboding question. No it doesn't. 13:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page 13:08 jcamins Does bug 9887 depend on something else? 13:08 jcamins Hm. 13:03 kf oleonard: I did some cleanup because we noticed some things in translatoin 12:59 kf ok, that would be 100,00 and 100,50 in english... and I am looking for the bug numbers now 12:59 oleonard Only 50? Well that should keep me busy until lunch anyway ;) 12:59 kf something between 100.000 - 1000.50 :P 12:58 kf hm let me think 12:58 oleonard Can you give me some bug numbers kf? 12:57 kf ? 12:57 kf especially the invoices oneß 12:57 kf oleonard: would you take a look at the patches maybe? 12:56 kf heh :) 12:52 oleonard That's when I get my best Koha work done too! 12:52 tcohen morning #koha 12:52 kf yah, I was procrastinating other things :) 12:52 oleonard Busy Bugzilla weekend for you kf 12:51 oleonard kf++ 12:51 * kf waves 12:43 druthb o/ 12:31 jcamins Good morning. 12:31 oleonard Hi #koha 11:54 drojf for the record: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_add_an_OPAC_screen_keyboard 11:54 drojf d'oh 11:48 jwagner vfernandes, monie, I think you've hit a dead time when the Europeans are at lunch and the North Americans haven't signed on yet -- try again in a little while 11:46 wahanui well, anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) 11:46 vfernandes anyone? 11:40 monie hello i am new to koha. i need an on screen keyboard in arabic, how do i do this? 11:40 vfernandes maybe a problem with record.abs indexes? 11:39 vfernandes If the search is done by title works fine... 11:39 vfernandes I have done a fresh install, added a record named "Teste de catalogação", searched for "teste" using kw and no result 11:38 vfernandes one question: in koha 3.10.2 kw searches aren't working? 11:38 vfernandes hi guys 11:34 alohabot Hi mib_296yjs, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 11:14 kf heh 11:12 drojf i could put "make todo list" in there as the first item ;) 11:12 drojf i should have a todo list for koha things in my wiki 11:10 kf drojf: hmn I can't remember seeing one 11:00 drojf is there a bug for the export shows hidden fields problem? i only find one for the same problem in ISBD view 10:39 drojf i need to get my balcony cleaned :) 10:38 kf working next to the open window :) 10:38 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.9°C (12:30 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 10:38 kf @wunder Konstanz 10:38 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 19.1°C (12:13 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 10:38 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 10:38 drojf speaking of nice 10:38 drojf it is nice :) 10:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10050 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Update German web installer files for 3.12 10:35 kf bug 10050 10:35 kf it's so nice even I can remember it :) 10:35 kf oh yes 10:35 drojf do you have a bug number? 10:35 kf drojf: could you consider signing off n my recent attempts to fix the german web installer? :) 10:35 drojf hi kf :) 10:34 kf bug 10:34 kf nope 10:34 drojf quiet around here. did i miss some kind of holiday? 10:27 drojf is it the expected behaviour for fields hidden in OPAC (via marc frameworks) to appear in records saved from the OPAC? 10:23 drojf hi #koha 08:53 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.2°C (10:45 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 08:53 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:05 kf hi AlexKdg 08:03 AlexKdg http://www2.culture.gouv.fr/culture/deps/chiffres-cles2010/08-bibliotheques-2010.pdf 07:44 kf :) 07:44 magnuse or "mor'n" for short 07:43 kf cool :) 07:41 tweetbot [off] twitter: @clrh: "L'association #Kohala cherche à recenser tous les utilisateurs francophones de Koha: questionnaire par ici http://t.co/NsVzrPNoYo #kohails" 07:40 magnuse "god morgen" is perfect 07:37 kf what's good morning in norwegian? 07:37 kf probably that is not right :P 07:37 kf hm 07:37 kf god morgen magnuse :) 07:36 magnuse hiya kf 07:35 kf good morning #koha 07:29 wahanui que tal, clrh 07:29 clrh hello 07:29 christophe_c hello #koha 07:09 dcook bye magnuse :) 07:09 dcook Au revoir :) 07:09 dcook Bonjour tous les gens de France! 07:09 dcook Looks like it's time for me to head off 07:04 wahanui hello, asaurat 07:04 asaurat hi 06:55 dcook :p 06:55 huginn magnuse: internet_explorer has neutral karma. 06:55 dcook explorer-- 06:55 magnuse @karma internet_explorer 06:55 dcook salut paul_p 06:55 huginn magnuse: Karma for "explorer" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 06:55 magnuse @karma explorer 06:55 magnuse bonjour reiveune and paul_p 06:53 dcook salut reiveune 06:53 dcook I also dislike yui... 06:50 reiveune hello 06:46 dcook Seems like it should be less...:P 06:44 huginn magnuse: Karma for "IE" has been increased 1 time and decreased 69 times for a total karma of -68. 06:44 magnuse @karma IE 06:44 magnuse moahahaha 06:44 huginn magnuse: Karma for "ie" has been increased 1 time and decreased 69 times for a total karma of -68. 06:44 magnuse @karma ie 06:43 magnuse ie-- 06:43 dcook IE-- 06:43 dcook Especially IE 7 (and earlier) 06:43 dcook As a sidenote, I hate IE 06:41 magnuse yay 06:40 dcook Aside from some rain, it's been great 06:40 dcook Not that I'm complaining 06:40 dcook So much for it getting colder 06:40 dcook Hmm... 06:40 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 23.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 06:40 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 06:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 06:39 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:39 magnuse woohoo 06:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). 06:39 magnuse @wunder boo 06:39 magnuse ah 06:39 dcook Almost. Only 4:35pm 06:38 magnuse time to call it a day? 06:38 magnuse hiya dcook 06:37 dcook allo magnuse 06:29 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Prairie Hills USD 113 Training http://t.co/DFWrOOLFKl" 06:27 * magnuse waves 05:29 dcook ? 05:20 cait that would have given me a headache 05:20 cait :) 05:20 cait ah thx 05:20 dcook There you are, cait :) 04:50 jeff got stuck in ORD due to delayed flights 04:50 jeff travel+- 04:32 dcook Cool. Just let me wrap up my current task and I'll take a look :) 04:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8294 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , enumeration should show in copy specific hold menu 04:29 cait bug 8294 04:28 dcook Oh? 04:27 cait btw I need a few sign offs :) 04:22 dcook I really just needed to know that 2 was Arrived :) 04:19 cait no guarantees :) 04:18 dcook ty 04:18 dcook Cool :) 04:18 cait but the other status I think yes 04:17 cait delete? I don't think so 04:17 dcook Is it recorded in the status column of the DB? 04:16 cait there is also Delete - but that's more an action than a status 04:16 dcook Mmm, that's right 04:16 cait it adds closed 04:16 cait it has 04:16 dcook Can't remember if the "close a subscription" feature has made it in to master.. 04:15 dcook That's probably old.. 04:15 dcook [% IF ( serial.status1 ) %]Expected[% END %][% IF ( serial.status2 ) %]Arrived[% END %][% IF ( serial.status3 ) %]Late[% END %][% IF ( serial.status4 ) %]Missing[% END %][% IF ( serial.status5 ) %]Not Available[% END %][% IF ( serial.status7 ) %]Claimed[% END %] 04:15 dcook Looks like serial-collection.tt has a good list though 04:15 dcook Yep 04:15 wizzyrea you mean received, expected, etc 04:14 dcook Anyone know off hand what all the serial statuses are/mean? 04:14 cait eythian++ thx for reviewing the packaging things :) 04:13 cait if it was 4 I could go back to bed at least :) 04:12 dcook Trying to book a 5 leg trip...yeesh 04:12 * dcook has been plotting and changing plans 04:12 dcook Actually, no...maybe only one day now... 04:12 wizzyrea that part is trippy 04:12 dcook But lose 2 days coming back :( 04:12 dcook For Kohacon, I think I arrive slightly before I depart 04:11 wizzyrea 1608 04:11 wizzyrea 1600 04:11 dcook 2:08pm 04:11 wizzyrea 4 04:11 * cait has been successfully confused 04:11 cait so what time is it? 04:10 wizzyrea except here 04:10 wizzyrea yep. never mind me, idk what the hell time it is anywhere. :P 04:10 eythian that would put you in the sea beside Australia or so, I think 04:10 cait isn't it like... 4 for you? 04:09 cait we are at 10 04:08 eythian Central Yurp is normally at 1 but is now at 2. 04:08 eythian we were at 13. 04:08 eythian no, we're at 12 04:07 wizzyrea oh are we at 11 at the moment? 04:07 cait hmpf. 04:07 wizzyrea ^ what he said 04:07 eythian go back to bed, cait 04:07 cait it's 6 04:07 cait it's not :) 04:07 wizzyrea gracious it's a little early for a cait 04:05 eythian ibeardslee: no 04:03 ibeardslee although at times sleep should be for A week. 04:02 ibeardslee that should be weak 03:55 wahanui i heard sleep was for the week 03:55 wizzyrea sleep? 03:55 wizzyrea I have child, therefore sleeping for a week is incredibly tempting, but utterly impossible. 03:54 wahanui okay, eythian. 03:54 eythian wahanui: sleep is also for the week 03:54 wizzyrea only if you're sleeping for a week. 03:54 wizzyrea hehe 03:54 eythian no, sleep is for the week. 03:54 wizzyrea ^ me, most days. 03:53 wizzyrea sleep is for the wea...zzzzzz 03:53 mtompset Well, I think I best follow jcamins' lead and grab sleep while possible. 03:52 dcook I'm good ^_^ 03:52 dcook I have several sandwiches and a full water bottle 03:51 wizzyrea I think he can live with it 03:51 mtompset But dcook may be disappointed. :P 03:50 wizzyrea nah I think I'll just avoid that 03:50 mtompset ^out^our^ 03:50 mtompset You could use [off] then only out sensitive ears/eyes will be offended. ;) 03:49 wizzyrea and blob. 03:49 eythian I'm sure the kids are asleep. 03:49 mtompset a play on the words lots, faster, and high volumes? ;) 03:49 eythian Apparently it's 11:45pm. 03:48 wizzyrea somewhere around NC-17 03:48 wizzyrea at least this time. 03:47 wizzyrea my jokes are decidedly higher rated than that. 03:47 * wizzyrea was told this was a rated pg space. 03:47 dcook I'll go make a sandwich. I hope to see some jokes when I come back :p 03:46 wizzyrea no single joke could encompass it all. 03:46 wizzyrea the comedy fodder, there's too much. 03:46 eythian wizzyrea: why stop now? 03:46 dcook wizzyrea: :P 03:46 eythian yeah 03:46 dcook The import script would create the record length when creating the marc blob? 03:46 * wizzyrea summons all of her willpower to not make a terribly inappropriate joke 03:46 dcook Now that I think about it... 03:45 dcook Actually, lots faster for high volumes 03:45 dcook Yeah, I've heard that it's faster 03:45 eythian I think it's a bit faster to import, too 03:45 eythian no particular reason, just habit mostly 03:45 dcook Mmm 03:44 eythian typically yeah 03:44 dcook I take it you output as usmarc? 03:44 eythian oh, then the length doesn't matter 03:44 dcook marcxml 03:44 eythian *get stuff like... 03:44 eythian and LDR 00768pam a2200205 a 4500 03:44 eythian I guess stuff like LDR 00843pam a2200193 a 4500 03:44 eythian are you outputting as usmarc or marcxml? 03:44 dcook I was a bit surprised originally 03:43 eythian not what I'd expect 03:43 eythian that's odd 03:43 eythian hmm 03:43 dcook 00000pam a2200000ua 4500 in fact 03:43 dcook In my test, I have 00000 03:43 dcook Hmm 03:43 eythian that's automatically computed by the MARC modules, so it doesn't go wrong. 03:42 dcook I've wondered a bit about the record length.. 03:42 eythian that's not a reason to do it wrong, but most source data isn't detailed enough to generate a proper leader. 03:42 dcook Absolutely 03:42 eythian even with biblios, chunks of it are ignored. 03:42 dcook though* 03:42 dcook Not that I'm complaining thouhg 03:42 eythian yeah 03:42 dcook The beginning of the leader is just pretty nonsensical for an authority 03:42 dcook I could see it working 03:42 dcook Yeah, I think both you and jcamins were saying that 03:41 eythian it works well for authorities, I've done it before 03:41 dcook At least in the authority context 03:40 dcook Looking at it now...it is rather bizarre O_o 03:40 wahanui the is a stop word 03:40 dcook What the.. 03:40 eythian I think I just pulled that leader from something and made it the default. 03:40 dcook It's been a while since I looked at my experiment 03:39 dcook Ah, I see the leader there 03:39 eythian (well, 'easy' is relative) 03:39 eythian everything else is fairly easy to set up. 03:39 eythian that's something that I'll be fixing some time 03:39 eythian dcook: it slaps a default leader in without really caring what it is, and you can't yet change much of it. 03:39 dcook I have a note to myself about a 942 as weell.. 03:38 mtompset oh, and koha-auth is available in squeeze-dev. ;) 03:38 dcook You have to supply your own leader, 001/003/005/008, right? 03:38 eythian actually, yes, I remember. 03:38 eythian it's quite possible 03:37 dcook I think that's the same one you linked me to the other day 03:37 eythian dcook: anyway, it's in that repo I linked above. All changes are in there. 03:37 dcook Definitely an issue 03:37 eythian add a feature for this case, and forgetting to merge it back in 03:37 mtompset Yes, 23:33 EDT, wizzyrea. 03:37 dcook Eeep! 03:37 eythian I was finding I was accidentally making forks of it 03:37 dcook I keep meaning to try it out.. 03:36 eythian dcook: yeah 03:36 dcook As in having a central repo for it? 03:36 eythian mtompset: It's not that late on the east coast of Australia 03:36 wizzyrea You mean 23:32 EDT? 03:36 dcook eythian: You were talking about a canonical source for csvtomarc.pl? 03:36 mtompset You mean 11:32 PM EDT? ;) 03:36 mtompset You mean 11:32 EDT? ;) 03:36 wizzyrea :D 03:36 mtompset Good night, jcamins. :) 03:36 dcook Whoa when did 1:30pm happen? 03:35 dcook night, jcamins 03:35 eythian catch you later 03:35 eythian it's barely an afternoon 03:34 jcamins Good night, #koha. 03:34 * jcamins calls it a night. 03:34 jcamins Yay! 03:34 * eythian combines CSV fields with wild abandon 03:34 eythian I like when I find a feature in csvtomarc that I wrote a couple of years ago, forgot about, and now it's exactly what I need. 03:33 dcook It's now on the to do list :D 03:32 jcamins It's going to be like a bolt of light striking. 03:32 dcook etc* 03:32 dcook The films, the screenplays, the graphic novels, the novels, et 03:32 jcamins Here we go: http://www.bibsocamer.org/bibdef.htm 03:32 dcook Personally, I love the idea of searching "Hamlet" and finding all sorts of different expressions or manifestations or whatevers of Hamlet 03:31 jcamins Greatest article ever. 03:31 dcook Eeee! 03:31 jcamins Let me find it. 03:31 jcamins You know what you should read? 03:31 dcook hehe 03:31 jcamins Bibliography! 03:31 jcamins My favorite subject! 03:31 dcook Yeah, maybe expression and manifestation could be combined 03:31 jcamins Ah! 03:31 jcamins I disagree with FRBR on principle. 03:31 dcook I'm intrigued by this other idea 03:31 dcook Yeah, I know 03:31 jcamins It's Work/Expression/Manifestation/Item. 03:30 jcamins dcook: no, you had it right. 03:30 jcamins And if that's not your goal, Expression and Manifestation should be combined. 03:30 dcook work/edition/issue/state 03:30 mtompset True enough, dcook. 03:30 dcook And correctly linking/attributing the right author to the right work 03:30 jcamins If you're interested in talking about work/edition/issue/state, that's what you should talk about. 03:30 dcook mtompset: Authorities become really important when you're trying to differentiate between a hundred different John Smiths 03:29 * jcamins dislikes WEMI altogether. 03:29 dcook ta bgkriegel 03:29 bgkriegel bye all 03:29 dcook I like the abstract idea of WEMI, but... 03:28 eythian no problem 03:28 dcook Oh FRBR... 03:28 jcamins Probably won't happen until after May 22. 03:28 jcamins It has been added to my to-do list. 03:28 eythian by all means 03:28 jcamins I should submit a pull request against that. 03:28 jcamins eythian: nice! 03:27 jcamins dcook: bwahaha! It's a FRBR joke! 03:27 wahanui http://marc-must-die.info 03:27 eythian wahanui: marc 03:27 wahanui The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here. 03:27 eythian wahanui: marc 03:26 dcook MARC certainly has its issues... 03:26 dcook Apparently 040 also relates to 008/39 03:26 eythian https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/koha-toolbox/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox/ <-- jcamins. I've been cleaning it out a bit, and adding my stuff to it, along with actual migration scripts to act as examples. 03:26 dcook It's kind of neat sometimes 03:26 dcook You can see a 040 with a huge string of subfields 03:25 dcook yep 03:25 jcamins eythian: actually, you mean both. 03:25 eythian I might mean 035 instead of 040 03:25 dcook and 010 03:25 dcook 016 too I think 03:25 mtompset Isn't that the point of storing the whole MARC record? 03:25 dcook Sometimes also the 035 03:25 jcamins eythian: you had not. 03:25 eythian mtompset: also 040$a 03:25 eythian jcamins: unrelated, but have I told you that I've established a canonical source for csvtomarc? 03:24 dcook That's partially where the 001/003 come in 03:24 wizzyrea ha 03:24 wizzyrea mtompset: it does, sorta 03:24 eythian mtompset: it sorta does have that 03:24 dcook hehe 03:24 mtompset also, wouldn't it be handy to have a trail of where the data came from? 03:24 eythian quite :) 03:24 jcamins Have horror, will travel. :) 03:24 eythian and so needs to carry all its context with it 03:24 eythian in that a MARC record is a self-contained thing that may travel 03:23 eythian well, also library data tends to be used differently to a regular database of data 03:23 mtompset It seems like it is a sort of what level of normalization is required problem, and the Librarians and CS folks don't quite see eye to eye, because the CS folks don't have all the facts about how authorities are used? 03:23 * dcook had a feelings that's what jcamins meant 03:23 * dcook twitches 03:23 jcamins You can recognize the type of person I have in mind because they say things like "it's just a foreign key, why do you need an entire MARC record"? 03:23 dcook Really, if there isn't a librarian to look after them, I would highly suggest not using them 03:22 dcook mtompset: As you can see, there's a lot to authorities ;) 03:21 mtompset just wanted to make sure I didn't assume incorrectly. :) 03:21 jcamins I had in mind the people who are experts in database theory. 03:20 eythian mtompset: computer science 03:20 mtompset What did you mean by CS people, jcamins? 03:19 jcamins eythian: I agree completely. 03:19 eythian jcamins: hmm, I just hold the opinion that people are terrible and need to be protected from themselves as much as feasible. That naturally follows on to things like authority records. 03:19 mtompset But aren't authorities a sort of index of information unto themselves? 03:18 jcamins (with the exception of people who actually work in libraries, of course, who eventually realize that authority records in fact _do_ do more than simply add overhead) 03:17 jcamins eythian: actually, my experience has been that the more expert a CS person is, the more they think that authorities are unnecessary. 03:17 mtompset CS people? 03:17 dcook But then you also need a librarian who is willing to look after the authorities, especially if they aren't actually authoritative authorities 03:17 tweetbot [off] twitter: @vanzijlp: "@kohails has Koha got a mobile app" 03:17 dcook Yeah, it does get more problematic when you have a longer list 03:16 eythian if it's a short list, yeah 03:16 dcook If they want a simple way of just choosing "authoritative" spellings, it might make more sense to just use an authorized_value list 03:16 eythian jcamins: presumably only the CS people who haven't had to deal with the data that users type into computers, right? 03:15 dcook I've had career cataloguers mention that is where a lot of the "librarian" work comes in as well. They have lib techs do a lot of the data entry and they do the authority policing as it were 03:15 jcamins CS people rarely understand why/when they are necessary, in my experience. 03:14 jcamins Librarians will demand authorities if they need them, most of the time. 03:14 dcook Exactly 03:14 dcook Mhm 03:14 dcook But...it makes me think if they haven't used authorities...maybe they shouldn't use them 03:14 jcamins ... but if your librarians don't use authorities, you should be asking yourself if they need authorities at all. 03:14 dcook True 03:13 bgkriegel It's not perfect, but a starting point. Mainly for librarians that never used authorities 03:13 mtompset Oh, that would be more painful. 03:13 jcamins Much more painful. 03:13 jcamins And because you'll end up with duplicates. 03:13 mtompset (which is just as painful and entering one at a time?) 03:12 mtompset Because you'll have to re-edit them to correct mistakes? 03:12 jcamins Personally, I think generating any authorities with link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is a bad idea that can only end in pain. 03:12 bgkriegel http://search.cpan.org/dist/Koha-Contrib-Tamil/ 03:12 bgkriegel cpan 03:11 mtompset bgkriegel: where is the koha-auth script? 03:11 jcamins dcook: it generates authorities only if you tell it -- basically -- "I think I have all the authorities, and if not, I'd like the gaps filled in." 03:11 mtompset Okay, but why would you want an authority for a bib or bibs that you don't have in your collection? 03:10 jcamins You get the authorities from an authority. 03:10 jcamins Easily. 03:10 mtompset if the bibs don't exist, how can you have an authority record? 03:09 dcook what? 03:09 dcook That's... 03:09 dcook O_o 03:09 jcamins It generates authorities in some circumstances but only as a side effect of it doing its job. 03:08 jcamins That's it. 03:08 jcamins Only. 03:08 jcamins It is for linking existing bibs to existing authorities. 03:08 bgkriegel I used frederic demians script, koha-auth, to extract auth data and to link 03:08 mtompset Okay, just looked at link_bibs_to_authorities.pl -- what's wrong with it? Other than it seems a little too automatic. 03:08 jcamins I guess that is kind of the point. 03:08 dcook hehe 03:08 jcamins Well, yeah. 03:07 dcook As you should :) 03:07 dcook Although then you still have authority work to do as a librarian 03:07 jcamins But I use authorities for actual authoritative data. 03:07 dcook Output as CSV, csvtomarc.pl them, import, then link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 03:07 dcook You can extract your existing subjects, authors, etc from your DB 03:06 jcamins I use CSVs, when I have to generate them. 03:06 dcook Right 03:06 * dcook tries to remember the conversation that jcamins, dcook, eythian, et al had a while back 03:06 eythian I've made them from CSVs before. 03:06 dcook jcamins++ 03:06 jcamins Just so we're clear. 03:05 jcamins And link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is almost certainly not the right tool for the job. 03:05 dcook Hmm 03:05 jcamins It'd be very useful. 03:05 mtompset build a list, get the user to confirm them, fill them in. 03:04 mtompset That sounds like a potentially useful tool to write then? 03:04 jcamins Other than "create each one by hand." 03:04 jcamins Not even a hard and slow way, really. 03:04 jcamins There is not, no. 03:04 mtompset home -> cataloging -> search catalog -> the -> choose something to Edit Record -> 1 or 7 tab -> tag editor -> search? 03:04 eythian Not that I know of, but I don't deal with them all that much. 03:03 mtompset Is there a quick and easy way to populate missing authorities? 03:03 eythian Hmm. how are you searching them? 03:02 mtompset I know I have some authorities, because I watched a full zebra reindex. 03:02 eythian They prevent you having "Will. M Shakespaar" and "Willy S." and "William Shakespeare" all meaning one person. 03:02 mtompset I search the authorities. No results. 03:02 mtompset Okay, so let's say I have biblio records with 700$a's and 100$a's filled in. 03:01 eythian authorities are templates for parts of biblio records. 03:01 mtompset Okay. Forgive me, I am not a librarian. Can someone explain authorities to me? :) 03:01 dcook There's no reason to change a 001 03:01 dcook Which goes back to what you guys were saying 03:00 dcook "For interchange purposes, documentation of the structure of the control number and input conventions should be provided to exchange partners by the organization initiating the interchange." 02:59 dcook But now that I think about it...001 should always be internal.. 02:58 dcook But there are invalid and valid identifiers for 003 02:58 dcook Right 02:58 eythian you can put who created them in 003 02:58 dcook Ack 02:58 dcook But 003s are.. 02:58 dcook I suppose control numbers might not be official? 02:57 dcook And you haven't had an official control number before that? 02:57 dcook How about if you wan to start distributing your records? 02:56 jcamins Or creating a new record. 02:56 jcamins Except for when you are merging records. 02:54 eythian I don't think you're supposed to update the 001 anyway 02:53 dcook It would not be nice to update a 001 for the parent and not the child $w... 02:52 dcook That's interesting... 02:52 dcook Hmm 02:52 wizzyrea ^ speaking of learning new things 02:51 eythian ta 02:51 jcamins eythian: yes. 02:51 eythian and something stuff to the leader 02:50 eythian jcamins: 773$w of the child should contain the value in 001 of the parent, yeah? 02:46 dcook Learn something new every day.. 02:46 dcook Never even heard of that script 02:43 mtompset And I was getting an error log entry. 02:43 mtompset well, it seemed weird to me that blinddetail-biblio-search.pl has a == instead of eq 02:42 eythian mtompset: yeah, subfields are usually characters actually. 02:42 mtompset And spell better. :) 02:42 mtompset Now to figure out how to test it. ARG! 02:41 mtompset Not to figure out how to test it. ARG! 02:41 mtompset Then I have found a bug. :) 02:41 jcamins Correct. 02:41 dcook Subfields? 02:41 mtompset -- While I see other people here, am I correct to assume that subfields are character and not numeric (ie. eq not ==)? 02:40 dcook Touché, eythian 02:40 wizzyrea people do strange things. 02:40 wizzyrea people do strange things when they are testing. 02:40 eythian dcook: in that case they should set up a .onion address :) 02:40 dcook Maybe they're super underground ;) 02:40 dcook Maybe they don't want to use DNS? 02:40 mtompset While I see other people here, am I correct to assume that subfields are character and not numeric (ie. eq not ==)? 02:40 eythian yeah, but they shouldn't do that. If they can't work out DNS, they shouldn't be making a public server. They should be finding someone to help them with it. 02:39 wizzyrea if it can be done, people will try to do it 02:39 mtompset But you can't rule out the strangeness that people will attempt. 02:38 mtompset It's a really bizarre one, so it isn't normal. 02:37 eythian I don't consider IP address access on a public server to be an option :) 02:37 wahanui mtompset: I forgot which 02:37 mtompset forget which 02:37 wahanui okay, mtompset. 02:37 mtompset Which is also why the instructions say to talk to the system, network administrators. 02:37 wizzyrea you can do hosts for a server with a public IP, it's just exceedingly not optimal 02:36 wizzyrea or the server is public 02:36 eythian there is no real other option 02:36 eythian but in that case, someone _must_ set up DNS 02:35 wizzyrea of course 02:35 wizzyrea is a problem if you want it for public 02:35 mtompset Right, and if the IP addresses are on the same subnet, it should work. 02:35 wizzyrea if you can't sort DNS 02:35 wizzyrea technically, you could put the entry in any machine's hosts file 02:35 mtompset That too. 02:35 dcook I suppose the problem is when the librarian doesn't realize it is just running locally? 02:34 mtompset That's exactly what the instructions do. 02:34 dcook Good one 02:34 wizzyrea to bypass DNS 02:34 dcook Mmm 02:34 * wizzyrea would suggest adding the names to the local hosts file in that case 02:34 dcook O_o 02:34 mtompset not using named hosts. 02:33 dcook In that case, since it's for testing purposes...can't they run it by just using the local IP address? 02:32 mtompset (or server, assuming you can figure out how to navigate lynx) 02:31 mtompset I wrote the wiki instructions with the mindset of a desktop ubuntu terminal running it as library.framisdooby.org and library-intra.framisdooby.org 02:30 mtompset And their IT department doesn't want to set it up, because it is for testing purposes. 02:30 mtompset The problem also becomes when some librarian at some university (for example) wants to try out Koha, but they can't get library.university.edu to work, because their IT department is incharge of the DNS set up. 02:29 dcook Mhm 02:29 mtompset It's that tumultuous mess that makes writing the perfect set of instructions impossible. 02:28 dcook Lots of variables 02:28 dcook I suppose that's why support companies exist, eh? 02:28 mtompset Is it a different terminal, and then they need to set up DNS stuff? 02:28 dcook For anyone wanting to run a prod machine, for sure 02:27 mtompset Is that the same terminal running desktop ubuntu? 02:27 mtompset The problem becomes getting them to have the apache2 server accessible from the machine that they want it accessible from. 02:27 * dcook shrugs 02:27 mtompset The default packages work best with the named host method. 02:26 mtompset So which way do you write instructions for? 02:26 mtompset There are multiple ways to configure apache2. 02:26 mtompset That's the problem. 02:26 dcook But, at least you will have it installed.. 02:26 dcook So when it doesn't work according to plan, you're still hooped 02:26 dcook But if you have fool proof instructions, you also don't learn how to do anything but follow instructions 02:25 dcook I have this dream of being able to hand some instructions to librarians I know so that they can set up Koha 02:25 dcook Hmm 02:25 dcook But it's not about me 02:25 dcook I can research like a champ though ;) 02:25 dcook My networking/sys admin background is...a bit of what I've picked up here at work...and from the last web server that I set up at home in 2011 02:24 mtompset There in is the problem. 02:24 dcook Which they might not 02:24 mtompset Assuming they have some networking and system administration background. 02:24 mtompset The Determine IP Address step is confusing for the utter novice, but it should be clear enough for someone trying to jump from the package install to a web install steps. 02:23 mtompset If you do ubuntu, I would recommend http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 02:22 mtompset It would seem that INSTALL.ubuntu is for Jaunty?! 02:20 dcook My "To Do" list still has "set up Koha" on Debian (and maybe Ubuntu) at home, so the better the install instructions I use...the better I can comment and suggest revisions :) 02:20 mtompset in a git clone, (or a tar.gz) of koha, there are three ubuntu installation instruction files: INSTALL.ubuntu, INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04, and INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid 02:19 dcook But I'm intrigued 02:19 dcook I'm not sure I follow 02:18 mtompset Thought I would come here and ask what people's opinion about three install.ubuntu type files are, and what sort of instructions should be in a single one? 02:17 dcook allo mtompset 02:16 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:36 dcook Sorry to hear that too 01:36 dcook Not saying it should be, jcamins ;) 01:36 jcamins I donated way more time to that feature than it was worth. 01:36 jcamins Well, that's not going to be me. 01:36 dcook Or someone implements them for the search results and up in the corner for the detail page :p 01:35 jcamins Sure. 01:35 wizzyrea probably should 01:35 dcook Perhaps instead it should say "in the images tab on the details page" 01:35 dcook "local cover images on intranet search and details pages." 01:34 wizzyrea you can see them in the staff client, they're just not in the spot where you expect them. 01:34 jcamins For the tab. 01:33 dcook It seems like there might be some code in a few places too 01:33 dcook I had a feeling that might be the case, but then why the LocalCoverImages syspref? 01:33 dcook O_o 01:33 jcamins It was never implemented at all. 01:33 jcamins dcook: it's not really a problem. 01:31 dcook The OPAC is looking good but they're not appearing at all in the staff client, even with LocalCoverImages syspref turned on 01:31 dcook Has anyone had problems with local cover images not appearing in the staff client? 00:23 dcook hey ya wizzyrea 00:22 * wizzyrea waves 00:06 jcamins They're delicious. 00:04 dcook Although I can't say I'm much of a wasabi/horseradish fan 00:03 dcook Sounds even more intriguing 00:02 jcamins I have been foiled by the time, so I'm making wasabi-ginger chocolate chip cookies instead. 00:00 dcook Looks intriguing