Time  Nick         Message
06:56 * magnuse    waves, then wanders off to have breakfast, threatening to be back later
06:58 cait         heh
07:08 cait         morning #koha
08:18 * magnus     waves from the laptop
08:19 rangi        hi magnus
08:19 magnus       hiya rangi
08:20 magnus       rangi: 3.10.4 should be ready for production by now, right?
08:21 rangi        yep
08:21 rangi        i have a couple of publics running 3.10.3
08:21 rangi        one testing 3.10.4 now
08:21 magnus       yay
08:22 magnus       i usually let my customers test new major versions with real data etc, but the wait has been so long now, i'll just upgrade
08:23 magnus       and then let them test 3.12 beta if they want to
08:24 rangi        sounds good
08:27 cait         heya magnuse :)
08:27 * cait       is creating a mess in bugzilla this morning :)
08:28 cait         please check I made no mistake!
08:28 cait         heh wrong window :)
08:29 magnus       :-)
08:32 cait         magnus: could I interest you in a sign off of 9980?
08:32 cait         it's quick to test
08:32 magnus       bug 9980
08:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9980 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Anonymous searches in the OPAC entirely broken
08:32 magnus       yes, after i upgrade :-)
08:38 rangi        gah
08:38 rangi        i wish this whole numbering thing hadnt been brought up, now we are relitigating 6 monthly releases ... lets derail the entire process and not do any work, just talk about it
08:45 magnus       gah!
08:46 * magnus     tends to think small changes often are better than big changes seldom
08:48 rangi        yeah i think big ones are much more error prone and things all get left to the end
08:49 magnus       yup
08:49 magnus       and the list of changes for a 6 months-in-the-making release is already huge
08:50 magnus       a 12 month one would be ginormous
08:50 rangi        i just think back to 3.0.0 and 3.2.0
08:50 rangi        and what a nightmare they were to get released
08:50 cait         yep
08:50 cait         exactly what I am trying to write up right now
08:50 cait         to send to the list :)
08:50 magnus       cait++
08:51 rangi        right these all seem to work, and dont cause a problem
08:52 rangi        karam might like to do a patch for ccsr next if he wanted
08:52 cait         and imagine the complains with yearly releases if a development misses the deadline...
08:52 magnus       ooh 7 bugs to go before we reach 10k
08:52 cait         oooh now you spotted it hehe
08:52 cait         the race is on :)
09:15 * magnuse    kicks off the upgrade
09:17 * cait       crosses fingers
09:17 * magnuse    too :-)
09:27 * cait       submitted bug 9994
09:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9994 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Changing 'rows per page' on saved sql reports doesn't work with runtime parameters
09:29 magnuse      ...and it's done
09:29 cait         :)
09:29 cait         isn't that the moments where you really love Koha?
09:29 cait         when a major updates performs just nicely?
09:30 magnuse      yup!
09:30 magnuse      not to mention the packages!
09:31 magnuse      well, i still have to install norwegian and swedish
09:31 magnuse      which will waste a lot of time moving tiny_mce files around
09:31 magnuse      hooray for bug 9172
09:31 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
09:31 * cait       installs arabic
09:32 cait         magnuse: ah, so there is still somthing you have to do after installing the packages currently?
09:33 magnuse      yeah, run the translate script
09:33 magnuse      because i never got around to helping eythian move his i18n work on the packages forward
09:33 cait         ah, I just ran into the problem karam talked about .. the arabic po files in master are not good
09:35 magnuse      norwegian is done
09:36 magnuse      well, they will probably be updated soonish?
09:36 cait         help files are not all in yet
09:36 cait         we need some more sign-offs on those
09:40 magnuse      swedish is done
09:41 magnuse      the moment of truth: running my little test::www::mech script...
09:43 magnuse      gah, have to rebuild all the zebras
09:43 * cait       imagines magnuse doing zebra puzzles
09:43 cait         *giggles*
09:44 magnuse      :-)
09:45 cait         too many legs!
09:49 cait         [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/results_rtl.png
09:52 magnuse      well, this is going to take some time...
09:53 cait         [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/detail_rtl.png
09:54 magnuse      legs?
09:54 magnuse      ( Holdings ( 5
09:54 magnuse      that's not good...
09:55 cait         zebra legs
09:55 magnuse      ah
09:55 cait         magnuse: yeah not perfect, but that happens
09:55 cait         probably would be a bit better if holdings was translated
09:56 magnuse      yeah
09:56 cait         i used po fiels from 3.8
09:56 cait         as the ones in master have some bugs
09:56 magnuse      ah
09:56 cait         I think overall that looks pretty good
09:58 * magnuse    tries to figure out what the major enh in 3.10 were
09:59 rangi        release notes should have it
10:00 magnuse      yup, looking at that now
10:00 magnuse      there is a 48 page pdf version... :-)
10:00 rangi        ah thats right
10:01 magnuse      the new "new feature/enh" categories will be awesome, if they work out
10:02 rangi        yep
10:02 cait         i don't envy jared writing the notes :)
10:02 cait         i mean it#s easier now with the scripts
10:02 cait         but we change a log.
10:02 cait         lot
10:03 rangi        yep
10:03 cait         but it#s also cool we do :)
10:07 rangi        771 patches, from 59 developers and still a month to go
10:08 cait         ugh
10:08 cait         my koha won't switch back to english
10:08 magnuse      rangi: awesom!
10:08 magnuse      english? who needs it!
10:08 cait         or arabic
10:09 cait         magnuse: could you check switching languages works for you on master some time?
10:10 cait         ah ok
10:10 cait         guess my german templates were to balme
10:13 drojf        good day #koha
10:14 cait         hi drojf
10:14 drojf        hi cait
10:15 drojf        did anyone else just get a random mail for some "open source crowdfunding site"?
10:15 cait         hm
10:16 rangi        not me
10:16 cait         me neither
10:18 drojf        weird
10:19 cait         you got an exclusive random mail!
10:19 magnuse      moin drojf
10:20 drojf        cait: yay, i'm special :D
10:20 drojf        hei magnuse
10:20 cait         not going to argue
10:21 drojf        :P
10:38 drojf        What fees does <site> charge? The only fees charged by <site> are 10% of the total feature funding amount after the full funding amount has been reached.
10:38 drojf        heh. »only«
10:39 magnuse      hey, it could have been 90!
10:39 drojf        true!
10:40 magnuse      cait: looking at bug 9980 now
10:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9980 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Anonymous searches in the OPAC entirely broken
10:49 cait         thx :)
10:49 cait         10... how modest
10:50 magnuse      cait: i can't seem to reproduce the problem...
10:51 magnuse      i'm not logged in, but i can search just fine
10:52 cait         it didn't work for me
10:52 cait         check the detail page
10:52 cait         result was good, detail broken
10:52 magnuse      ah
10:53 magnuse      nope, that looks good too
10:53 cait         weird
10:53 magnuse      yup
10:53 cait         it is def exploding for me when not logged in
10:56 magnuse      looks good to me
10:57 cait         log in and log out again?
10:57 cait         patch not applied?
10:57 magnuse      i'm on normarc, but that shouldn't matter, as far as i can tell from the bug report
10:57 magnuse      yeah, did log in and out
10:57 magnuse      patch not applied
10:57 cait         hm
10:57 cait         master?
10:57 wahanui      hmmm... master is the development branch of koha
10:57 magnuse      master
10:58 magnuse      was there something about this only working with !xslt?
10:58 cait         hm i have xslt
10:58 cait         oh
10:58 cait         and I didn#t activate the feature
10:59 magnuse      ah, without xslt i get the error both for search result and detail
10:59 cait         interesting
10:59 wahanui      rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
10:59 cait         :)
11:01 magnuse      i have: HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC = Don't emphasize
11:01 cait         i think I probably have normal display set somwwhere
11:02 magnuse      HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC does not affect the error for me
11:13 magnuse      cait: bug 9980 is signed off
11:13 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9980 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Anonymous searches in the OPAC entirely broken
11:13 cait         magnuse++
11:14 cait         and special thx for the test plan :)
11:14 magnuse      and i'm on the dashboard again - woohoo! :-)
11:14 cait         yay :)
11:15 magnuse      ooh, jonathan has the lead in the qa list!
11:15 cait         trying to influence me?
11:17 magnuse      huh, me? nooo...
11:46 magnuse      WHAT? why am i seeing bug 9256 on 3.10.4?!?
11:46 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, RESOLVED FIXED, Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
12:01 magnuse      ah, because i only fixed it for new instances, of course, not upgraded ones...
12:51 jcamins      Heh. One feature release every year.
12:52 jcamins      That would rather cut down on the pool of prospective RMs.
12:55 jcamins      And would almost certainly result in demands for drastically reduced standards.
12:56 drojf        how does that "LTS" thing come up all the time?
12:57 drojf        we could have a release that is supported for four years and do feature releases every four years ;)
12:57 jcamins      drojf: we have a troll who thinks that he can get us to do more work for free if he compares us to Ubuntu.
12:57 jcamins      drojf: we did that for 3.0/3.2.
12:57 jcamins      The result was that everyone forked 3.1.
12:59 drojf        now that you say it, i think it's really mostly the same person asking for LTS
12:59 drojf        i think there were others at some point. others mostly active in the "demanding" department of koha ;)
13:00 jcamins      Yup.
13:05 magnuse      jcamins: search is still broken for upgraded package installs. i'll report a new bug later
13:05 * magnuse    wanders off
13:06 jcamins      magnuse: yeah, that will probably need a koha-upgrade-to-3.10 script.
13:06 * jcamins    wanders off as well.
14:09 cait         oleonard++
14:09 cait         now I missed the discussion? oh.
14:11 cait         hm
14:11 cait         i might reach 10.000
14:11 cait         if I continue testing
14:55 magnuse      cait++
15:22 cait         hmm
17:03 jcamins      OMGWTFBBQ I HATE ACQUISITIONS!
17:04 cait         lol
17:04 cait         why this time?
17:05 jcamins      Oh, creating a basketgroup is spectacularly non-obvious.
17:05 cait         ah
17:05 cait         it's pseudoautomatic
17:05 cait         somehow
17:06 jcamins      Oh, look, trying to delete a basketgroup fails under Plack+MariaDB.
17:06 jcamins      Shocker!
17:08 jcamins      cait: bug 7449 worked for you?
17:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7449 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , billingplace and freedeliveryplace not saved when creating a new basketgroup
17:10 jcamins      Okay, it works.
17:11 jcamins      Vaguely.
17:11 magnuse      hehe
17:11 cait         jcamins: yep
17:11 cait         it saved
17:11 jcamins      magnuse: well, like most of acquisitions, it's broken, but that's not the fault of the patch.
17:11 cait         I tested it in marseille and again today
17:12 cait         what is not working for you?
17:12 cait         I filed a patch about the brnach pull downs
17:12 jcamins      Saving.
17:12 cait         a bu
17:12 cait         g
17:12 cait         oh what doe sit do?
17:12 jcamins      Half the time, nothing.
17:12 cait         hm interesting
17:12 wahanui      interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
17:12 cait         but I need more information :)
17:12 jcamins      Deleting the basket groups fixed it.
17:12 jcamins      It's undoubtedly a Plack thing.
17:12 cait         aah
17:12 cait         that might make totally sense
17:13 cait         someone an idea about how to react to this?
17:13 cait         [Sun Apr 07 19:06:15 2013] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] You do not have permission to use atq., referer: http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/tools/scheduler.pl
17:13 jcamins      I do not.
17:13 jcamins      But I think we should prounce "atq" like "atque."
17:13 jcamins      It amuses me, and amusing the RM is always a good idea.
17:14 cait         lol
17:14 cait         latin speaking RM at least
17:14 jcamins      lol
17:14 jcamins      Right.
17:14 cait         ;)
17:15 jcamins      Hey, I already reported that basketgroups were broken broken broken under Plack, didn't I?
17:15 cait         hm not sure you did
17:15 cait         but someone who wnats to use plack for staff should fix that
17:15 jcamins      Maybe not.
17:15 jcamins      Agreed.
17:16 * magnuse    hopes all his instances are fixed now
17:16 jcamins      cait: did you QA all the help file patches?
17:17 cait         only the signed off ones
17:19 jcamins      Okay, because they don't all have your sign off. But if you didn't QA them all, that makes sense. :)
17:21 jcamins      Ummm...
17:21 cait         yes?
17:21 cait         ah, could you make koha = Koha in the last one?
17:21 jcamins      What is the point of the "Click to add item" button in the serial receive?
17:21 jcamins      Sure.
17:21 cait         you can add an item.
17:21 cait         for the issue
17:21 cait         ?
17:22 jcamins      Right, but don't you do that by marking the issue arrived?
17:22 cait         but back to the help files - it's the plugin one at the very bottom and I forgot to git add
17:22 cait         yes, then the form opens up automagically
17:22 cait         I think the link is for creating items when you don#t do that by default
17:22 jcamins      Ah.
17:23 jcamins      Well, this patch works, whether or not the duplicate functionality makes sense.
17:23 quocuy       helo #koha
17:25 cait         i guess it's not related to that.
17:25 cait         duplicate functionality?
17:25 cait         in serials?
17:25 magnuse      bug 9996 created
17:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9996 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Fix search for existing/upgraded Debian package instances
17:26 jcamins      No, I didn't expect the patch to be related to it.
17:26 jcamins      I just couldn't figure out the instructions for a while.
17:26 jcamins      Because I never noticed the "Click to add item" button before.
17:29 cait         magnuse: the race is still on?
17:29 cait         :)
17:30 cait         qa'ing the z39.50 patch from marcel
17:31 * cait       wishes really hard thatsomeone would fix git bz unhappiness about character sets
17:31 cait         UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 943: ordinal not in range(128)
17:31 jcamins      Ouch.
17:35 magnuse      ouch
17:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #1135 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:46 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7853' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f063dad5f208fd02dc8a58835086f8b1714aa1ac> / Bug 7853 - opac-maintanance.pl should correctly redirect back to opac-main.pl, if... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=11caedbf1906dedd5a5c2692a2098d157f4fe380> / Merge branch 'bug_9459' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k
17:53 cait         hm
17:53 * cait       is working on bug 8746
17:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8746 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , rebuild_zebra_sliced.sh don't work where Record length of 106041 is larger than the MARC spec allows
17:54 jcamins      wtf?
17:54 jcamins      What *possible* reason could there be for this comment:  # FIXME: '$thisacct' is a string literal!
17:54 jcamins      JUST CHANGE THE COMMENT!
17:55 cait         I wondered about that myself.
17:56 * jcamins    is using git log to find out who to complain to.
17:56 cait         lol
17:56 cait         i think healready did that
17:56 cait         there is acommit message linked in the bug
17:56 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9381' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88f2dd765f3c992d32083f5d9dd4a94c20d0219f> / Bug 9381: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d890977603d9db597025bbec9b419341def7c720> / Followup 2 - Bug 9381 - Add Catalan language <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2651e15d54b7a00869f6c7
17:56 cait         I mean a commit
17:58 jcamins      Ah, so there is.
17:58 cait         I have to say it looked well researched on first glance
17:59 * jcamins    doesn't think Rosalie *really* wanted the fines broken.
17:59 cait         hehe
17:59 cait         probably not
17:59 jcamins      I had only noticed the other commit ID, which is the FIXME but not the cause.
17:59 jcamins      But I'm done pushing for today.
18:01 cait         you did lots
18:01 cait         jcamins++
18:01 cait         what exactly does this sliced zebra thing do?
18:02 jcamins      That's the script in charge of separating the chuck from the rib, etc.
18:03 jcamins      As RM, I have instructed it to reserve the tenderloin for me. :)
18:03 cait         *rolleyes at the rm*
18:04 jcamins      I did!
18:04 jcamins      I feel that it is my prerogative.
18:05 jcamins      So far no one has objected, so clearly I was right.
18:05 cait         but you don't like meat
18:05 * jcamins    resells it at a premium because Zebra tenderloin is very uncommon in New York.
18:05 cait         that sounds more like you
18:05 cait         magnuse was rebuilding a lot of zebras today
18:05 jcamins      It makes economic sense.
18:06 cait         maybe has has some leftover parts for you to seel
18:06 cait         sell
18:06 jcamins      I should've sold him the tenderloin he was missing.
18:06 jcamins      ;)
18:06 cait         you know how it goes... there is always something left when you try to reassemble a lot of zebras
18:06 jcamins      True!
18:06 jcamins      Very true.
18:06 wahanui      I know. That's why I said it.
18:07 cait         it's like with ikea furniture
18:37 gmcharlt     @quote random
18:37 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking me about the browser!!!! yes it's the #$%$#%$#ing IE was messing my cataloguing, oh I hate miscrosoft, the evil!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:00 PM, November 05, 2009)
18:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1135: SUCCESS in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1135/
18:51 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9980: Fix for anonymous searches
18:51 jenkins_koha * D Ruth Bavousett: Bug 8061: RTL CSS overrides (staff client)
18:51 jenkins_koha * D Ruth Bavousett: Bug 8061: RTL CSS overrides (OPAC)
18:51 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 8061: Follow up - RTL CSS overrides (staff client)
18:51 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 8061: Follow Up (Opac-Prog) - enhancement to D Ruth's patch
18:51 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7449: billingplace and freedeliveryplace not saved when creating a new basketgroup
18:51 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9902 - item subfields not populating
18:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9980 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Anonymous searches in the OPAC entirely broken
18:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 9850: Cataloging Help for 3.12
18:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 9850: Update Reports Help for 3.12
18:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8061 major, P1 - high, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Koha's templates do not cope well with right-to-left languages
18:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 9850: Serial Help Files for 3.12
18:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 9850: Suggestion Help File for 3.12
18:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7449 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , billingplace and freedeliveryplace not saved when creating a new basketgroup
18:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 9850: Offline Circ Help Files for 3.12
18:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 9850: Update Circ Help Files for 3.12
18:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , item subfields not populating
18:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 9850: Add Plugin Help File for 3.12
18:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 9850: Update Tools Help for 3.12
18:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update
18:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 9850: FOLLOW UP: Add Missing Plugin Help for 3.12
18:51 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9459 [Revised] Use DataTables on hold ratios report page
18:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9459 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on hold ratios report page
18:51 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bug 7853 - opac-maintanance.pl should correctly redirect back to opac-main.pl, if no updates are outstanding
18:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7853 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , opac-maintanance.pl should correctly redirect back to opac-main.pl, if no updates are outstanding
18:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #1136 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:48 rangi        Morning
19:48 wahanui      hmmm... Morning is a state of cat
19:48 jcamins      Morning.
19:48 wahanui      Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
19:50 cait         morning rangi
19:51 jcamins      Could you please run the database update on jenkins when you get a chance?
19:51 rangi        Will do once I'm off the bus
19:52 jcamins      Thanks.
19:54 rangi        Should I suggest the next rm should put the version number scheme they want as their proposal and then ppl can decide when picking the release team
19:54 rangi        ?
19:54 cait         you expect us to get more than 1 person applying to be rm next release?
19:55 rangi        If someone suggests a mad scheme it might happen
19:55 rangi        :)
19:56 jcamins      I was thinking of putting an item on the agenda for the next meeting: "* Vote (NOT DISCUSS) on a proposal to change the version numbering for Koha to whole numbers starting with version 4 instead of what would otherwise be called 3.16"
19:56 rangi        Sounds perfect to me
19:57 cait         ?
19:57 rangi        Fwiw it's always been x.x.x
19:57 * cait       likes consistencs
19:57 rangi        Starting with 1.0.0
19:57 cait         I think changing just to change it is stupid
19:57 jcamins      cait: I think discussing it is much more stupid than changing it.
19:58 jcamins      ;)
19:58 rangi        But I'd be fine with 4.x and then 5.x
19:58 jcamins      Okay, I'll revise that to... "begin incrementing the major number of Koha's version every feature release starting with the release after 3.14."
19:58 cait         hm
19:58 jcamins      Actually, that's clearer, anyway.
19:58 rangi        I mean it's not like it matters
19:59 cait         so how do we cound bugfix relases then? one level higher?
19:59 rangi        Yep
19:59 jcamins      4.1.0
19:59 cait         after we kept epxlaining the other scheme over andover
19:59 cait         I still htink it's not a needed change.
19:59 jcamins      It's not.
19:59 rangi        It's marketing
19:59 jcamins      But if this sort of discussion doesn't stop on koha-devel, I am unsubscribing from the Koha mailing lists on May 22.
20:00 rangi        There I said it
20:00 jcamins      I will vote for anything that makes people focus on actually releasing a working version of Koha.
20:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1136: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1136/
20:01 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8200 - removing misc/translator/update.pl - deprecated file
20:01 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 8200: Follow up - Removing unused file stats.pl
20:01 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9812 - Forbid access to several files through the browser
20:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8200 trivial, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , /home/chris/git/koha.git in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/update.pl
20:01 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9381: Add Catalan language
20:01 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Followup Bug 9381 - Add Catalan language
20:01 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Followup 2 - Bug 9381 - Add Catalan language
20:01 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9381: Increment version number
20:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9812 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Several files shouldn't be exposed or browseable through a URL
20:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9381 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Add Catalan language
20:02 cait         we could say in order to vote for the version
20:02 cait         you have to fix one of the bugs i reported
20:02 jcamins      lol
20:03 jcamins      Except that people don't actually want to vote.
20:03 rangi        Lol
20:03 jcamins      People want to argue.
20:06 rangi        Fibonacci seq starting next week
20:06 jcamins      lol
20:07 cait         I am against doing stupid things for marketing
20:07 cait         especially if osmeone else is using that idea already
20:07 jcamins      So am I.
20:07 jcamins      But, as I said, I am more against people spamming me.
20:08 cait         hm
20:08 jcamins      Every single message in that thread (33!) is a patch that did not get written, signed off, or QAed.
20:08 rangi        Oh I signed off 3 for every response I wrote
20:09 rangi        To balance the ledger
20:09 jcamins      Okay, 31 missed patches.
20:09 rangi        But yeah
20:09 jcamins      I pushed about 5 patches for each response I wrote, I guess.
20:09 cait         ... I only wrote one answer!
20:09 cait         and I qa'd more
20:09 rangi        Hehe
20:11 rangi        Yours was a good answer
20:11 rangi        I think we need a big diagram
20:11 rangi        On the main site, showing releases
20:12 cait         hm?
20:12 alohabot     Hi mib_r9gxk8, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
20:12 mib_r9gxk8   i am new to Koha. Is there any librarians in London using Koha
20:13 jcamins      mib_r9gxk8: there are some, definitely.
20:13 rangi        I think so
20:13 rangi        Can someone paste the wiki page?
20:14 jcamins      I'm looking for it now.
20:14 * rangi      will brb
20:14 jcamins      mib_r9gxk8: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide
20:14 mib_r9gxk8   i am getting used to adding new books. But still not sure about authority records. Anyone a koha pro here?
20:15 jcamins      Ask your questions, and if people have answers, we'll give them.
20:16 cait         morning kathryn
20:16 cait         :)
20:16 kathryn      hello dear cait of swift greetings!
20:16 kathryn      :)
20:17 cait         :)
20:17 * jcamins    pictures kathryn singing that to the tune of "Knight of the Woeful Countenance."
20:17 mib_r9gxk8   Does anyone know how to add more subfields to tag 111 i.e. corporate author?
20:17 jcamins      mib_r9gxk8: what subfields do you want to add?
20:17 * kathryn    looks up what must be a familiar ditty
20:18 jcamins      Most likely you just need to click where it says "HEADING--CORPORATE NAME"
20:18 mib_r9gxk8   i'd like to add n (conference no)
20:19 jcamins      Or, rather, HEADING--MEETING NAME.
20:19 jcamins      You said 111 not 110, sorry. :)
20:19 mib_r9gxk8   i did but a few subtags appear but not all
20:19 cait         @marc 111 n
20:19 huginn       cait: Number of part/section/meeting A number of a meeting or a number designation for a part or section of a work. (Repeatable)
20:19 jcamins      Okay, if you did that most likely you need to add it to the framework.
20:20 mib_r9gxk8   how do i add to the framework
20:20 jcamins      Take a look in Administration -> Authority types -> MEETI_NAME -> MARC structure
20:20 mib_r9gxk8   thanks
20:21 jcamins      Odd.
20:21 jcamins      That shows up for me.
20:21 jcamins      And I did not modify my authority frameworks at all.
20:21 jcamins      Do you possibly mean 111 in the *bib* record?
20:22 mib_r9gxk8   Yes apologies I meant bib record
20:22 jcamins      Okay.
20:22 jcamins      Administration -> MARC bibliographic frameworks -> (choose the framework you want) -> MARC structure
20:27 kathryn      Bah haha! jcamins, but yeah I would sing that
20:29 rangi        jcamins: updatedatabase run
20:29 jcamins      The scansion is a bit off, but I'm sure you could find a way to make "hello dear cait of the swift greetings work."
20:30 * Guest1341  gives jcamins some sunday fudge.
20:30 wizzyrea1    hm no, he makes fine fudg.
20:30 jcamins      rangi: thanks!
20:31 wizzyrea1    um, Pi?
20:31 wahanui      i guess Pi is fine. glad i made a new card with fresh debian and koha stable before so i can still play with it ;)
20:31 * wizzyrea1  runs gigglig
20:31 * jcamins    will take it.
20:31 jcamins      Hehe.
20:33 * wizzyrea1  does not have in internet cold, just monday typing fingers.
20:33 wizzyrea1    an*
20:43 rangi        i should set up jenkins to build 3.12.x too now eh
20:46 * magnuse    waves to #koha before going off to sleep
20:46 rangi        jcamins: http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=young%20poem&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=opds
20:47 rangi        https://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commit/356eaf610ece6a690e40f43395cb38a3992b214d
20:47 mib_r9gxk8   not been successful as yet in adding subfield code n to 111. Subfields c d g e appear in template but cant find n? Have checked authority Admin > authority type ..
20:47 rangi        the bit i like is the possibilities given with
20:47 rangi        http://opds-spec.org/specs/opds-catalog-1-0-20100830/#Acquisition_Relations
20:48 rambutan     would it make sense to have a section on koha-community for "features that would be nice to code if they could get some funding"?
20:48 rangi        make your open access stuff easily discoverable
20:48 rangi        rambutan: we kinda have that on the wiki, but yeah tidying that up into one place might not hurt
20:48 rangi        we'd need a volunteer to curate
20:49 rangi        jcamins: an ebook reader like calibre or aldiko can ingest an opds feed
20:50 jcamins      Interesting!
20:50 wahanui      interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:50 jcamins      I like it!
20:51 rangi        mib_r9gxk8: you checked the marc framework right?
20:51 wizzyrea1    it's not hidden or set to a ludicrous hidden value in the framework
20:51 wizzyrea1    ?
20:53 * cait       sighs
20:53 rangi        we are working on something that might help rambutan
20:53 cait         i need to pass one more... i need a bug that passes!
20:54 wizzyrea     and it would work really well if people would mark things Feature instead of enhancement.
20:55 mib_r9gxk8   It says hidden. Tab:1, Repeatable, Mandatory, hidden,. Any ideas on how to unhide
20:55 wizzyrea     click into edit
20:55 wizzyrea     and click the help
20:55 wizzyrea     in the upper right hand corner
20:55 wizzyrea     then, click "more constraints"
20:55 wizzyrea     and where it says "hidden"
20:55 rambutan     we are?
20:55 wizzyrea     put in the appropriate value.
20:56 wizzyrea     we could do some kind of CSS in our bugzilla that makes the enhancements not grey, but some other color.
20:56 wizzyrea     whose bugzilla was I looking at that was super cheerful.
20:56 wizzyrea     was it mahara maybe?
20:58 cait         they have those super cute graphics too
20:58 wizzyrea     cait: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9894
20:58 huginn       04Bug 9894: normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , 'hidden' value is hard to understand in frameworks
20:59 cait         that's a bit big for tonight
20:59 cait         :)
20:59 wizzyrea     is it? it's only JS
20:59 cait         but I test things you know :)
20:59 cait         and it's almost 11
21:00 cait         we are 10 hours apart now
21:00 wizzyrea     ok yea, it might be heavy for 11
21:00 cait         @wunder Konstanz
21:00 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.1°C (10:55 PM CEST on April 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
21:00 rangi        @wunder nzwn
21:00 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on April 08, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
21:01 wizzyrea     this was the one http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/295/selection083.png
21:01 wizzyrea     and it's all red and stuff.
21:01 wizzyrea     but that worm is super cute.
21:01 wizzyrea     in his little red shir.t
21:01 wizzyrea     shirt*
21:09 * cait       fails another :(
21:14 * cait       waves
21:21 cait         ok
21:21 cait         I am tired
21:21 cait         but those dates are not sorted correctly, are they?
21:21 cait         [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/date.png
21:23 rangi        no
21:23 wizzyrea     yea no.
21:23 cait         meh
21:23 * cait       fails another
21:23 wizzyrea     which bug?
21:23 cait         the third datatables bug in a row :(
21:23 rangi        thats one i tested
21:23 rangi        you have flushed all your caches eh
21:23 cait         i can try that again
21:23 rangi        you arent using a mismatch of js ?
21:24 cait         mismatch?
21:24 rangi        i thought i had it working
21:24 rangi        half new half old
21:24 cait         hm still the same
21:24 wahanui      the same is true in the U.S. It's more propaganda than anything approaching the truth.
21:24 wizzyrea     forget the same
21:24 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot same
21:24 cait         no errors
21:24 rangi        ah well, im sure owen will figure it out
21:24 cait         probably
21:25 wizzyrea     cait: you are using which date format?
21:25 wizzyrea     out of curiosity
21:25 cait         dd-mm-yyyy
21:25 cait         there is no 17th month ;)
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21:25 * wizzyrea   wonders if the US dates are working ok
21:25 cait         probably.
21:25 cait         but I can check
21:26 wizzyrea     naw
21:26 wizzyrea     that's kind of beyond your pay grade. :)
21:26 wizzyrea     it doesn't work with proper dates
21:26 wizzyrea     it's bustid.
21:26 cait         yep it does work with us
21:26 wizzyrea     or you are beyond testing that
21:26 wizzyrea     is what I meant.
21:27 rangi        maybe i had us on or somthing
21:27 rangi        when i tested
21:27 rangi        its possible
21:27 rangi        or just didnt have enough dates to spot it
21:27 wizzyrea     that's the default way *shrug* it'd be easy to miss.
21:28 mib_ng0t0x   Please can someone tell me how to suppress the 100 field when the main entry is not the author but the title is. The book has an editor. thanks
21:28 rangi        mib_ng0t0x: youve found the manual eh?
21:28 rangi        manual?
21:28 wahanui      manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
21:32 mib_ng0t0x   i have checked under Author create authorities etc but each time I save record it says 100 is mandatory field.
21:33 rangi        mib_ng0t0x: its the frameworks again
21:33 rangi        you need to edit your marc framework to make it not mandatory
21:40 mib_ng0t0x   I have selected no to repeatable and no to mandatory in framework. Still cant save because tag 100 sub a field not filled.
21:40 wizzyrea     you have to edit the subfield
21:40 wizzyrea     to make it not mandatory
21:41 wizzyrea     or you have to turn on "biblioaddsauthority"
21:41 wizzyrea     or edit the subfield to make it not authority controlled
21:41 wizzyrea     it's under "more constraints"
21:41 wizzyrea     for subfield a
21:49 mib_ng0t0x   You have all been great. Many thanks I am getting used to the idea now of checking the framework.
21:50 mib_ng0t0x   Please can you give me another tip so that I can display the subtitle in normal view. I can see the complete title in marc view though.
21:53 mib_ng0t0x   sorry to trouble you again. I am not able to see the subtitle tag 100 in the normal view.
22:05 eythian      hi all
22:05 * cait       waves
22:05 cait         and good night :)
22:08 wizzyrea     http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9983 < this thing is output, and should be configurable as such... anyone want to fight about it? :)
22:08 huginn       04Bug 9983: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , printable fines page should include name/barcode
22:08 wizzyrea     or tell me I'm wrong
22:08 wizzyrea     because... that would be ok
22:09 rangi        no you are right
22:11 wizzyrea     so slips/notices, in my opinion
22:11 wizzyrea     if you print it, and a library might want to control what's on the thing they hand to the patron
22:11 wizzyrea     it should be in there
22:11 wizzyrea     print it, email it
22:11 wizzyrea     phone call it
22:11 wizzyrea     SMS it
22:12 * wizzyrea   tries to fit it into the field of dreams thing, can't
22:16 eythian      Work It Make It Do It
22:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #1 for job Koha_3.12.x
22:51 * eythian    notes the main koha list seems to still be down (or suspiciously quiet)
22:52 rangi        yeah i pinged sijobl but he doesnt seem to be around
22:52 rangi        ill drop him an email
22:53 eythian      @seen sijobl
22:53 huginn       eythian: sijobl was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 21 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <sijobl> as you do
22:54 rangi        email away
22:55 eythian      of course, depending on the nature of the problem, he may not get it :)
22:55 rangi        heh i think they run a couple of mailservers
22:55 rangi        one specifically for the lists, which is a good idea, thats where the spammers hit
22:56 rangi        well they used to anyway
22:56 eythian      yeah
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23:02 mib_kyit98   '/nick paul.a'
23:04 CanuckPaul   Anyone here?
23:13 jcamins      eythian++
23:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #1: SUCCESS in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/1/
23:23 CanuckPaul   Good evening|morning -- never used IRC before