Time Nick Message 00:03 alohabot Hi mib_6hj6iv, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 00:25 bag dcook: how's friday going for you? I'm really looking forward to some friday 00:25 dcook hehe 00:25 dcook It's not too bad, bag 00:26 dcook Listening to Active Child and doing DSpace config. Looking forward to beers tonight :) 00:26 dcook Just finishing up your Thursday of work? 00:27 bag I'm in late night tonight 00:28 bag but having a fat tire 00:28 bag http://www.newbelgium.com/beer/detail.aspx?id=7c5b394b-d7b7-486a-ac9a-316256a7b0ee 00:29 bag rangi ^^ that's a good one 00:29 bag have you had that? 00:30 bag eythian you should try that one too 00:30 dcook Looks pretty tasty. Nice website too 00:30 dcook Amazing how many engineers go into beer and cheese...\ 00:30 rangi hmm 00:30 rangi lemme look 00:31 bag so it's crazy in the US… the shitty beers make up like 95% of the market 00:31 bag good beer is 5% 00:31 rangi yeah but there are tons of good ones 00:31 bag and I think this one newbelgium - is one of the medium sized good ones 00:31 rangi https://untappd.com/user/ranginui 00:31 bag yeah I'm just so depressed with the 95% shitty 00:31 bag :( 00:32 bag yeah rangi I'm on untapped 00:32 rangi ahh fat tire 00:32 bag but I usually only log my homebrew 00:32 rangi yeah they make good stuff 00:32 dcook I was going to ask you about beer availability in the US, bag 00:32 bag dcook: you can get budweiser anywhere they sell water :P 00:32 bag heh 00:32 dcook Seems like there are a lot of options, although being from Canada...we do tend to insult your beer availability pretty regularly 00:33 dcook Not that ours is that great either :p 00:33 bag but now adays you can get really good beer everywhere 00:33 rangi vancouver had good beer 00:33 * dcook misses Vancouver beer 00:33 eythian you should get the bud light clamato, because that sounds terrible 00:33 * dcook shutters 00:33 bag yeah dcook there has been a really big movement in the last 5~10 years to improve that 00:33 dcook Bud light is really gaining purchase in Canada, I think 00:33 dcook It's depressing 00:33 dcook Mmm, that makes sense 00:34 bag if you go to a good grocery store you can get a really wide selection (lots of locals) and then some of the bigger good beer nation wide brews 00:34 dcook My brother in law in Florida is a beer fiend 00:34 rangi http://parrotdog.co.nz/ <-- if you ever see any of these, dead canary is my current fave pale ale 00:34 dcook rangi: Did you head out to Parallel 49 in Vancouver? 00:34 bag there is a little spot in humbolt CA that has an amazing pale ale 00:34 dcook I never made it over there, but I heard really good things from local Vanc brewers 00:35 bag http://www.lostcoast.com/beer_lostcoast.php 00:35 eythian I don't think ParrotDog are exporting yet. 00:35 bag anything that is Rogue is top notch 00:36 eythian oh, they are exporting to Australia 00:36 bag if you like IPA's - try any of the dogfishheads 00:36 rangi dcook: hmmm not sure, we went to a few places 00:36 bag this brewery has gotten big - but they make some of the best IPA's 00:36 bag http://www.dogfish.com/ 00:36 rangi i was torn between beer pubs, and pubs that were showing the rugby world cup 00:37 bag rugby won out? 00:37 rangi it was the finals 00:37 rangi so yep 00:37 rangi but i did get to a couple of brew pubs 00:37 dcook :D 00:38 bag one of my friends from college is starting a brew pub 00:38 bag http://crookedkeg.com/ 00:38 bag there amber is really great… 00:38 bag the IPA is good 00:38 bag they do BIG beers though 00:39 bag like 8% and up 00:39 dcook mmm 00:39 dcook As a student, I loved those kinds of beers ;) 00:39 dcook I like this mug club idea.. 00:39 rangi hmm i kickstarted someone starting a brew pub thing 00:40 bag hmm… well maybe I'm think of their speciality beers and not their regulars 00:40 rangi maybe it was them 00:40 bag rangi that was them 00:40 bag it was! 00:40 bag yeah I sent you that link 00:40 eythian rangi: you can get koha coffee mugs, why not beer glasses? 00:40 rangi http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1948300681/we-are-brewing-it-we-need-you-to-create-a-place-to 00:40 rangi you can 00:40 eythian oh, good 00:40 bag yup rangi that's my buddy from college 00:40 rangi http://www.cafepress.com/+drinkware 00:40 jcamins I've been watching a documentary on microbrewries. 00:41 rangi slap a logo on that :) 00:41 rangi koha hip flask 00:41 bag jcamins: which one? netflix or something like that? 00:41 wizzyrea1 oh we all need a flask 00:41 bag jared I've been working my way through the brewery documentaries in netflix 00:43 eythian http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/cities/wellington-nzl?ref=home_location <-- oh hey, a wellington thing. that's rare 00:43 ibeardslee oh yeah hip flash .. perfect for the under the monitor stand 00:44 jcamins bag: Brew Wars on Netflix. 00:46 dcook Hmm, this call for presentation form is...particular 00:46 bag for kohacon? 00:46 dcook We just whipped together an idea. No idea about any of the specifics yet 00:46 dcook bag: mhm 00:46 bag yeah that's google forms for you 00:47 dcook I was thinking about putting something together and after hearing there were only 7-8 so far...I figured it might be an idea to put together something 00:47 bag ah yes I think I saw that one jcamins 00:48 bag yeah we need a few more… 00:49 dcook We're thinking of doing a talk on integrating Koha and DSpace 00:49 bag cool 00:50 dcook I imagine it must be done fairly often, but I guess that could lead to discussion? 00:51 bag discussion is good 00:58 dcook Still working on transfers tonight, bag? 00:59 bag nah you've just motivated me to think about a presentation 01:00 dcook :D 01:30 dcook Yay, proposal all done 01:31 dcook Are folks starting to book hotels and buy plane tickets? 01:31 rangi yup 01:32 dcook Sweet. I really need to plan my holiday and then jump on that. 01:32 dcook I'm still trying to convince the UBC library school folks to come down 01:32 dcook I think there is a bit of reluctance though because Evergreen has such a strong presence in British Columbia 01:33 dcook Although I figure a lot of what you could learn at KohaCon could be transferred to work on Evergreen as well 01:34 rangi yup 01:36 dcook Uh oh, he's stuck on repeat 01:38 rangi hm? 01:39 dcook I'm trying to tease you! 01:39 rangi you arent very good at it :-) 01:40 rangi oh hey 01:40 rangi if you fly from oz, virgin australia are pretty decent 01:40 dcook That's what I keep hearing from Aussies who live in North America 01:41 rangi if you book early ahead you can get some pretty good prices 01:41 dcook Yeah, that's what the boss was saying last week 01:41 rangi and they have good seat back entertainment 01:41 rangi as well as usb 01:41 dcook I've seen the usb on Air Canada flights, but never known was it is for 01:41 dcook How does that work? 01:41 rangi i charge my phone/tablet with it 01:42 rangi but you can plug in a usb stick, or phone and play your music through their entertainment system 01:42 rangi on a 13 hour flight 01:42 dcook Neato. I'll have to give that a whirl 01:42 dcook Hehe 01:42 rangi it makes angry birds not kill your phone 01:42 rangi :) 01:42 dcook It's horrible going from Aus to North America too 01:42 dcook lol 01:42 dcook Good point 01:43 dcook With the time change, Vancouver to Sydney is a breeze 01:43 dcook I just sleep for most of it 01:43 rangi yeah 01:43 dcook But going the other way around... 01:43 rangi *nod* 01:43 rangi im planning to get to reno at least a day before 01:43 dcook Yeah, that's what I was thinking too 01:43 rangi otherwise ill just sleep through the first day 01:43 rangi that way if they lose my luggage 01:44 rangi i might have it by time i need to present 01:44 rangi not like last kohacon :) 01:44 dcook Ouch 01:44 dcook Yeah, definitely getting in a day early to recover from flight hangover 01:45 dcook Although last time I went back to Canada, was the first and only time I've ever experienced jetlag 01:45 dcook So maybe it was more emotional than physical... 01:45 dcook I also spent a lot of that 13 hours watching really bad...awful...horrible Hollywood movies they were playing on the mainscreen 01:45 * wizzyrea had terrible jetlag coming back from kohacon in NZ 01:45 rangi i just cant sleep 01:45 wizzyrea going back I guess. 01:45 rangi im too tall 01:46 rangi so if i land at say 1pm 01:46 dcook How tall are you? 01:46 * dcook can't remember 01:46 wizzyrea spud was up the whole way home 01:46 rangi only 6'2" 01:46 wizzyrea it was terrible 01:46 dcook Mmm, I'm the same 01:46 dcook Doesn't make for the most comfortable rides 01:46 rangi trying to stay awake until say 9pm 01:46 rangi after being awake for 13 hours already is hard 01:46 rangi and then i wake up at like 5am 01:46 rangi bleargh 01:47 dcook wizzyrea: :( 01:47 dcook Ugh indeed 01:47 bag yeah all of us will be there the day before 01:47 bag we're having a staff retreat the day before 01:47 rangi good plan 01:47 * dcook thumbs up 01:49 jcamins Hm. Apparently you can't specify ::after pseudo-element styles inline. 01:51 dcook Makes sense, me thinks 01:51 dcook Mostly after a quick Google of it :p 01:52 jcamins Yep. 01:52 dcook I may have ranted a bit (in a good way) about your cataloguing project last night :p 01:52 jcamins :) 01:52 jcamins I came up with a better tag selection interface conept. 01:52 jcamins Now I just have to impelemnt it. 01:53 dcook :D 01:53 dcook I'll try to break it after you do ;) 01:53 jcamins :) 01:54 jcamins Sadly, the implementation is much more difficult than the original. 01:55 dcook Hmm, I'll take that as a good sign though 01:57 jcamins And now I can't figure out how to increase the size of an element. 01:58 dcook What kind of element? 01:59 jcamins A span. 01:59 jcamins The problem is it needed to be an inline-block element. 02:01 jcamins Now... how do I force it to have height? 02:03 dcook Is it empty or does it have text? 02:03 dcook I assume empty 02:03 jcamins Empty. 02:03 dcook I don't know if you can force empty spans and divs to have heights :S 02:03 jcamins You can, you just can't force them to be the height they would be if they had stuff. 02:04 dcook http://man.thelostweb.com/en/man/empty-span-width-and-height.html 02:04 dcook ? 02:05 * dcook goes back to trying to figure out DSpace's undocumented searching tricks 02:05 jcamins Hrm. That doesn't quite work. 02:06 jcamins Well, I'll make it 20px for now, and worry about it later. 02:08 dcook Mmm, turns out that 2008-2010 doesn't return a date range...it only returns items from 2008 AND 2010 02:08 dcook Grrr 02:08 jcamins In Koha? 02:09 dcook DSpace 02:10 wizzyrea oh phew. 02:10 wizzyrea it turns out tahat while drinking jasmine tea is lovely, it's really the *smell* of it I like. 02:10 dcook Sorry for any heart attacks caused there 02:10 wizzyrea hi tcohen 02:10 tcohen hi wizzyrea 02:10 dcook It is a pretty great smell 02:10 dcook Lots of jasmine bushes by my house 02:11 * wizzyrea really wants a jasmine bush by her bedroom window 02:11 tcohen sencha with jasmine 02:11 dcook (or at least I'm told that's the case and that is in fact what I was smelling :P) 02:11 wizzyrea I suppose that could be arranged easily enough. 02:11 wizzyrea but they're kind of plants that grow out of control 02:11 dcook There is a scent I smelled in Spain that makes my brain do wonderful things, but I have no idea what the plant is :S 02:11 wizzyrea honeysuckle 02:11 tcohen there are several jasmine types 02:12 cjh mmmhhmm sencha and jasmine would be lovely. 02:15 eythian dcook: sounds like the marajuana plany 02:15 eythian plant 02:15 dcook :p 02:15 dcook I think it was some sort of bush, and I think I typically smelled it at night 02:16 wizzyrea probably a type of jasmine then. 02:16 dcook I was staying in this little town outside of Malaga, and when I was walking the streets at night...so good 02:16 dcook Intriguing 02:16 dcook It's different from tthe jasmine I smell here for sure 02:16 tcohen madreselva 02:16 wizzyrea oh thank heavens above daylight savings time this weekend. 02:17 wizzyrea ends* 02:17 wizzyrea that getting up before dawn thing is for the fracking birds. 02:17 bag so that means you're only 19 hours ahead of us? 02:17 dcook madreselva = honeysuckle? 02:17 eythian It means that morning people have more morning time, but normal people have really early evenings :/ 02:17 tcohen yes dcook 02:18 bag eythian: you're a night person? 02:18 tcohen didn't realize actually 02:18 wizzyrea i prefer dark at night more than in the morning :P 02:18 eythian bag: I'm a normal person, yes :) 02:18 cjh wizzyrea: thanks for the reminder :p 02:18 bag HA 02:18 bag I'm a morning person and a night person - the middle of the day - not so much 02:18 dcook Awesome. Thanks, tcohen and wizzyrea. 02:18 dcook bag++ 02:18 * wizzyrea giggles at eythian 02:18 dcook Actually, I think I'm an all day person 02:19 wizzyrea I like the time of day when I'm getting things done. 02:19 dcook If I could have some sort of quantum sleep schedule, that would be great 02:19 wizzyrea ^ 02:19 dcook I love waking up at 5am...but also love going to bed at 5am...doesn't work well 02:19 wizzyrea I want shrodingers sleep schedule - to be both awake and asleep at the same time 02:19 bag I can do a 3 months of not getting much sleep like 5~6 hours a night - but then the following month I sleep like 10~12 hours a night 02:19 wizzyrea we call that "having kids" 02:19 dcook hehe 02:20 dcook I laugh now... 02:20 wizzyrea except it's more like 3-5 months of sleeping 5-6 hours a day total, and then the rest of your life wishing for the days you could sleep 10-12 02:20 tcohen almost the same wizzyrea 02:20 jcamins Blech. Bootstrap typeahead doesn't work with contenteditable. 02:21 bag wizzyrea++ 02:22 wizzyrea actually, don't hit me... spud will usually if left un-tampered-with sleep until 9:30ish 02:22 wizzyrea am 02:22 wizzyrea and go to bed at 8:30ish pm 02:22 wizzyrea so I could technically get 12 hours if I realllly wanted it 02:23 wizzyrea but I've got STUFF TO DO ;) 02:24 dcook lol 02:24 bag Ginny 3.14 goes to sleep at 7:30 and wakes up around 6:30… but she also wakes up at 10pm, 2am and 4:30 like where the hell is my mama 02:24 cjh wizzyrea: those are your productive hours 02:24 dcook bag: I hear it's a good thing if children wake up throughout the night though in terms of parent bonding 02:24 * wizzyrea remembers those days 02:25 wizzyrea if you don't get to them quickly they'll be eaten by dingoes! 02:25 dcook I was always praised for sleeping through the night as an infant, but apparently that's because I learned to "self-soothe" 02:25 dcook Which cognitively speaking is actually harmful O_o 02:25 wizzyrea meaning, your parent's didn't come running. 02:25 wizzyrea lol. 02:25 dcook I think they're deep sleepers too :p 02:25 bag Ginny sleeps in bed with us 02:25 * wizzyrea is an 'err on the side of being closer' type 02:25 dcook Apparently it's not a good thing to leave your baby crying though 02:26 dcook In the sense of letting themselves work it out 02:26 bag she actually sleeps with her arms wrapped around my arm… 02:26 wizzyrea there's studies showing both ways. I say, whichever way is easier on ya, do it that way. 02:26 dcook bag: Aww X infinity 02:26 wizzyrea d'awwwww 02:26 tcohen jcamins: is it a blocker? 02:26 wizzyrea spud would still prefer to sleep with us but he's too big now. 02:27 bag yup so usally Ginny and I have to find Sonja who's left the bed in the middle of the night cause she can't sleep with Ginny in bed - but Ginny and I can 02:27 bag heh 02:27 bag poor sonja 02:27 wizzyrea aw 02:27 dcook :( 02:27 wizzyrea now that is irony. 02:27 bag yup :( 02:27 * dcook thinks sleeping with the cats is good preparation 02:27 dcook Except Starbuck steals the blankets in the winter... 02:27 bag but we don't have a second bedroom 02:28 bag and the qt3.14 will not sleep in her crib 02:28 dcook :/ 02:28 wizzyrea spud wouldn't either. he didn't until the crib wasn't a cage. 02:28 wizzyrea then he slept in his bed fine, the crazy kid. 02:28 bag yeah that is weird they are like cages aren't they 02:28 wizzyrea you might try the montessori type bed 02:29 wizzyrea basically a pad on the floor 02:29 jcamins tcohen: is what a blocker? 02:29 bag yeah we are thinking a pad on the floor is coming soon 02:29 wizzyrea so no falling out of bed. 02:29 tcohen the problem with bootstrap's typeahead you mentioned 02:29 jcamins No, it has nothing to do with Koha. 02:29 wizzyrea oh... no that was for something else he was working on 02:29 bag ack gotta run 02:29 bag later all 02:29 bag be well 02:29 wizzyrea byee 02:30 tcohen bye bag 02:30 tcohen ok, my brain is in automatic pilot-mode now, i obviously missed part of the convesation 02:31 dcook laterz bag 02:31 dcook twas before you joined, tochen 02:31 dcook tcohen* 03:00 dcook Wow, two dedicated Koha folks over the summer 03:00 dcook That's awesome! 05:46 * magnuse waves 05:49 cait eya :) 05:49 cait or hey 05:50 magnuse eya cait! ;-) 06:23 alex_a_ bonjour #koha 06:23 alex_a_ and cait and magnuse :) 06:23 cait bonjour alex_a_ :) 06:35 manny first question 06:35 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 06:36 dcook salut alex_a_, cait, magnuse, manny 06:36 dcook Of course, I check IRC as I'm getting ready to leave 06:36 manny hello dcook 06:38 cait hey dcook - bye dcook ;) 06:40 dcook hehe ;) 06:40 samuel hi everybody 06:40 dcook I'm playing on doing some crypto stuff tonight, but maybe I'll be back on IRC over the weekend as I finally try to setup Koha on Debian.. 06:40 dcook hi/bye samuel 06:40 reiveune hello 06:40 dcook salut reiveune, paul_p 06:40 paul_p bonjour #koha 06:41 dcook One of these days I'll actually be online at the same time as Biblibre folks ;) 06:41 reiveune salut dcook 06:41 paul_p dcook come to Marseille, there's some spare sits in our office ;-) 06:41 reiveune :) 06:42 dcook I would love to do that at some point, paul_p :) 06:45 * magnuse waves again 06:56 dcook Ack! All right. Actually need to run. 06:57 dcook Bonne journée, Franco-developers. Night Oceanic folk! Etc etc! 07:06 asaurat hi 07:17 marcelr hi koha 07:20 drojf good morning #koha 07:21 marcelr hi drojf 07:21 drojf hi marcelr 07:22 magnuse hiya drojf and marcelr 07:22 drojf hi magnuse 07:22 kf back :) 07:22 marcelr hi magnuse 07:22 marcelr and kf :) 07:22 drojf hi kf 07:22 kf hi marcelr :) 07:22 magnuse wb kf 07:22 kf hi drojf :) 07:28 gaetan_B hello 07:32 kf hi gaetan_B :) 07:39 christophe_c hello #koha 07:41 gaetan_B hi kf :) 07:41 magnuse bonjour christophe_c and gaetan_B 07:41 magnuse @wunder boo 07:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on April 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 07:41 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (9:30 AM CEST on April 05, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). 07:42 magnuse oh well 07:42 magnuse at least we have snow... 08:02 paul_p magnuse partly cloudy... I just see blue sky from here (I work from home on friday morning) 08:04 magnuse paul_p: sounds nice :-) 08:08 kf no sun... totally cloudy here 08:08 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:08 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on April 05, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). 08:17 christophe_c1 back 09:11 vfernandes hi :) 09:12 vfernandes one question: in Koha 3.10 or 3.8 it's possible to send a email to the users like newsletters for example? 09:13 kf vfernandes: no, currently not 09:13 kf vfernandes: i think it was once planned to have that as an option for the enhanced messagng preferences 09:13 kf but it never got fully implemented 09:14 vfernandes ok thanks kf 09:16 vfernandes maybe i will need to develop this feature soon, and then submit to the community 09:16 vfernandes :) 09:17 kf :) 09:17 kf vfernandes: it would be nice if there was a way that uses can subscribe t it 09:17 kf sending them mail without their confirmation could be a problem here 09:18 vfernandes yes, for newsletters... but for example if the library wants to send a email to all patrons with the new library schedule 09:18 vfernandes there is no need of confirmation 09:19 vfernandes but that's all I need to know... if the feature doesn't exist, development is needed :) 09:19 kf i think so :) 09:20 kf maybe some artefacts in the code - it was called library events I think 09:20 kf I remember it showing up in the translations 09:21 vfernandes kf one more question: imagine that you have a record with 3 documents. It's possible when you borrow one of them to block the others (not possible to borrow)? 09:22 kf hm I don't think so 09:22 kf I know there is a new pref that won't allow to place another hold on the record 09:22 kf the problem is multivolume things 09:22 kf or serials 09:22 kf long term probably would need to be itemlevel 09:24 kf or would nice if it was 09:24 kf on itemtype level 09:24 kf fridays... 09:24 vfernandes this is what I need: 1 record with a CD, a book and one magazine... when the user tries to borrow something of this record, he will take all 3 items 09:25 kf oh 09:25 kf that's different to what I thought 09:25 kf I was thinking only allow borrowing one item at the same time 09:25 kf for multi copy things 09:27 vfernandes so what I want it's possible? 09:40 kf vfernandes: not automatically no 09:40 kf vfernandes: you could use 1 item instead and the materials note 09:42 kf [off] I have a german documentation about this here https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=l-team:koha:koha-handbuch:ausleihe:3-6_01_beilagenotiz_erfassen.pdf 09:44 kf it makes a note pop up on checkout and check in 09:44 kf not really what you wanted, but maybe still helpful 09:47 drojf vfernandes: you can use analytic records for that. i think easyanalytics would have one and the same item that is shown with each of the records that are part of the set. there are other ways to do it too. you might want to watch the video of jcamins' kohacon talk from last year 09:48 * kf hands over staff client translation to drojf 09:48 kf http://translate.koha-community.org/de/312/ 09:49 drojf nice try kf, unfortunately i have other things to do 09:49 kf drojf: also an option - but then you have to have a separate record for each and no check that all is given back or only one component is 09:50 drojf if you want to have a full record for a book, a cd and a something (that is how i understood it) it is an option, but yes, it is more complicated and more work 09:50 kf more confusing to the patron :) 09:51 drojf anyway, in case it is of interest http://archive.org/details/Kohacon12-AnalyticRecordsAndKoha 09:52 vfernandes thanks kf and drojf 10:38 kf @later tell wizzyrea a library noticed that the versions on the demo site are outdated - for example bywater is master not 3.8 - can I help updating them? 10:38 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:39 magnuse kf: which page is that? 10:43 kf http://koha-community.org/ 10:43 wahanui http://koha-community.org/ is, like, down 10:43 kf @later tell wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/ 10:43 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:43 kf um 10:43 kf my browser is beign annoying 10:43 kf @later tell wizzyrea I meant http://koha-community.org/demo/ 10:43 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:44 magnuse annoying_browsers-- 10:48 vfernandes I have to go... have a nice weekend :) 11:28 alohabot Hi mib_elw0u2, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 11:30 Viktor Just a quick one: do you still remeber that I asked our official goverment body for data protection about advice yesterday? 11:31 Viktor Well I got a reply _today_ :) 11:33 Viktor I won magnuse ;) 11:35 * magnuse is impressed :-) 11:35 magnuse i did send mine as a printed letter via snail-mail, though 11:42 Viktor magnuse I will not take that into consideration when gloating ;) 11:43 magnuse gah 11:43 * magnuse wanders off for a bit 11:44 Viktor magnuse I forgot the important stuff: the answer was that the needs is to govern how long personal records are kept. It's not allowed to just keep the records until the disk is full. 11:45 * Viktor wishes magnuse happy wandering and continue to pack up stuff at work for the move to a new office. 12:24 oleonard Hi #koha 12:27 kf Viktor++ 12:50 alohabot Hi mib_ct6pbt, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 12:51 druthb kf++ 12:51 * oleonard wonders if we're only communicating in karma today 12:52 druthb oleonard++ 12:52 druthb ;-) 12:55 oleonard being_able_to_download_csv_of_batch_item_modifications_or_deletion_results++ 12:55 oleonard theoretically++ 12:56 * druthb blinks. 12:59 kf lol 12:59 kf lol++ 12:59 kf now_I_messed_up-- 13:34 kf hm does someone know what version that could be? 13:34 kf http://katalog.bg.szczecin.pl/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 13:34 kf can't see anything in the source code 13:38 tcohen hmm, a highly customized one! 13:39 kf yeah I think customized 2.x 13:40 tcohen i was going to say, i'm not familiar with that html structure 13:40 tcohen I started working on koha on 3.0beta 13:41 kf :) 13:42 kf about the same for me 13:42 kf hm bit later even 13:42 kf some time before 3.2 13:49 oleonard It looks like a complete rewrite of the template to me, but I'm guessing based on 3.x 13:49 kf hm the result list reminded me of 3.2 13:49 kf but there are also somet things that look newer 13:52 tcohen did 3.2 use tables for search results? 13:52 kf I think we still do, but not like that 13:53 kf with items separate 13:53 kf i was researching libraries in poland :) 13:53 kf i will just note that it's customized 13:54 tcohen i don't see the usual yui divs 13:55 kf this looks more familiar: http://katalog.wbz.uni.wroc.pl/ :) 13:55 tcohen heh 14:17 magnuse paul_p around? 14:18 paul_p magnuse yep 14:18 tcohen awk: cmd. line:4: fatal: cannot open file `/etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf' for reading (No such file or directory) 14:20 vfernandes hello 14:21 vfernandes there wasn't a topic in koha wiki to upgrade from 2.2.8 to 3.X? 14:22 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2 ? 14:22 oleonard I don't know if that is the right one vfernandes 14:22 vfernandes that's it :) 14:23 vfernandes new client with old 2.2.8 14:26 * oleonard cheers any upgrade from 2.x! 14:27 vfernandes let's hope that everything went right :) 14:27 oleonard paul_p: I wonder if we could agree on a list of features any one of which could trigger a version number increase? 14:30 paul_p oleonard not sure. 14:31 oleonard paul_p: I think it's a worthwhile discussion. We really have no plan for making it past 3.x.x 14:32 paul_p vfernandes I confirm the wiki page for upgrading from 2.2 I used it "recently" (something like less than a year ago) to upgrade a very old Koha ! 14:32 paul_p oleonard I agree it's a worthwhile discussion. And an easy option would be to remove the "3." ;-) 14:33 vfernandes thanks oleonard and paul_p... next week will check that :) 14:33 paul_p a major version every 6 months = a major number every 6 months. Easy to understand for everybody ! 14:34 oleonard However, I think libraries need a good understanding of how much one version differs from the next when planning whether or not to upgrade. 14:34 kf I have to say I like our way of doing it 14:34 oleonard I'm thinking in particular of independent Koha libraries for whom upgrades are more difficult and time consuming. 14:35 kf and having the possibility to announce a big change with a 4 :) 14:36 tcohen i belive we haven't clearly established the life cycle of a release, and are encouraging people to use packages in a way it may cause trouble because of major version upgrades 14:38 kf tcohen: hm not sure how it would create trouble? 14:39 magnuse i seem to remember we said once that Solr and Plack (persistence) could be triggers for 4 and 5? 14:39 kf yep 14:40 kf a newly written module would qualify too I guess 14:44 oleonard Time travel for instance. 14:45 tcohen we currently support 3 releases simultaneously, right? 14:46 tcohen and users need to keep in mind they need to change oldstable, squeeze or squeeze-dev accordingly 14:47 tcohen i just mean i'd like to have something like koha-common3.8 and koha-common3.10 14:47 tcohen which is not related to the discussion 14:47 tcohen heh 14:48 jcamins kf: I think that's a 3.x. 14:49 kf :) 14:49 kf hey jcamins 14:49 jcamins What version I do not know, but 3.x. 14:50 Anathemizatu Hi, everybody! 14:51 Anathemizatu Is there someone that uses Koha with Unimarc indexing for Zebra? After update from 3.8 to the new stable version, I can't get the authority search to work 14:52 jcamins Anathemizatu: how did you install? You have to rerun the entire installation process. 14:52 jcamins And, for the record, I can't get UNIMARC to work past 3.8 either. 14:52 Anathemizatu I've installed from Debian packages 14:53 kf jcamins: ouch. is there abug? 14:53 kf jcamins: I had it working in my test installation I think, from git 14:53 jcamins kf: no, because none of the UNIMARC users have reported the problem, so I just rely on them to have actually tested the UNIMARC searching patches that I push. 14:54 jcamins Anathemizatu: I suspect it requires hand editing the configuration files. 14:54 kf jcamins: you can rely that what I qa'd for unimarc was basedon that unimarc installation I have 14:54 kf and tested there 14:55 jcamins Fortunately there haven't been many Zebra-specific UNIMARC patches. 14:56 Anathemizatu I've done a lot of experiments with it :) From the beggining I thought that it was a problem tied to bug 9256 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, RESOLVED FIXED, Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 14:56 jcamins Yes, it has to do with the "fix" that required that fix. 14:57 * magnuse has not tested authorities in relation to 9256 14:57 Anathemizatu I've tried to edit the configuration files as stated there, to no effect. After that I downgraded to oldstable (which in 3.8.11) 14:57 jcamins You could try the instructions on... 14:58 jcamins bug 3087 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB 14:58 kf bug 9256 14:58 kf have a nice weekend everyone 14:59 mtompset You too, kf. 14:59 magnuse have fun kf 14:59 Anathemizatu From a SQL dump that I created before upgrading I've created a new instance, loaded the dump, upgraded the schema (which is like from 3.8.4 to 3.8.11). And when I try to do a zebra rebuild I get the error "16:46:46-05/04 zebraidx(1528) [warn] Couldn't open collection.abs [No such file or directory]" 14:59 Anathemizatu After that - 16:47:42-05/04 zebraidx(1528) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-Number) 14:59 magnuse collection.abs? never heard of that... 15:01 Anathemizatu Me neither :) Couldn't find the file anywhere on the server (at first I thought it was a faulty symlink or something) 15:01 jcamins Oooh. 15:01 jcamins I actually know what that error means. 15:01 magnuse jcamins++ 15:02 jcamins It's because you're using -x for reindexing, and somewhere there's a misconfiguration so that the GRS-1 indexer isn't parsing the records. 15:02 jcamins Unfortunately, I don't know what the solution is. 15:03 Anathemizatu Yep :) I've forgotten to say that I've cahnged the configuration files in koha-conf.xml from DOM to GRS1 because I found that DOM indexing for Unimarc wasn't working 15:04 jcamins Oh, I bet I know what the problem is. 15:04 Anathemizatu I was doing it basing on this http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2012-March/032205.html 15:04 jcamins You have to change DOM to GRS-1 in three places (I don't remember which three). Could you have missed one? 15:05 jcamins Yes, that's only two of the places. 15:05 jcamins You also have to set <authority_indexing_thing> (I don't remember what it's called exactly) to grs1 in koha-conf.xml. 15:06 tcohen tha <config> entry for authorityserver maybe? 15:07 jcamins There are two lines... you'll spot them. 15:07 jcamins Near the end. 15:07 tcohen and the line that contains retrieval-info-auth-something 15:07 jcamins Right, those are the first two. 15:07 jcamins Maybe authority_index_mode? 15:08 tcohen oh 15:08 Anathemizatu I coudn't find any other references to DOM 15:08 tcohen jcamins, are zebra_auth_index_mode and zebra_bib_index_mode enough? 15:08 jcamins That's it. 15:08 jcamins zebra_auth_index_mode. 15:09 rambutan @seen kathryn 15:09 huginn rambutan: kathryn was last seen in #koha 1 day, 19 hours, 21 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <kathryn> hiya cait 15:09 oleonard too early for kathryn rambutan 15:10 jcamins Also, it's Saturday. 15:12 rambutan It's Saturday! What am I don't here???? 15:12 jcamins lol 15:12 jcamins I hope he realizes that I meant in NZ. 15:18 magnuse jcamins: lol :-) 15:20 mtompset This is rather strange being in #koha offset by 12 hours, and starting to get back into the Koha coding/patching mindset again. 15:21 magnuse mtompset: yay! 15:21 mtompset Thanks, magnuse. 15:21 oleonard mtompset: Did you get some funding, or could you just not stay away? 15:22 mtompset A mix of both. 15:22 magnuse hehe 15:22 * magnuse can't stay away either :-) 15:22 mtompset The big problem is I'm still fiscally short. 15:23 mtompset My hope is to raise more financial partners, so that I can continue. 15:25 mtompset I succeeded at getting SimpleSAMLPHP set up from source AND packages to authenticate against an LDAP source. 15:26 mtompset Now the next big logical step: integrate that SAML 2.0 authentication with Koha somehow. Didn't someone mention BibLibre and shibboleth before? 15:26 * magnuse calls it a day, but will be upgrading customers tomorrow (3.8.11 -> 3.10.4) 15:27 tcohen paul_p: you got the words for what I was trying to say here 15:27 paul_p tcohen ? 15:27 wahanui i heard tcohen was 120 15:27 jcamins And there goes any possible value of this discussion. 15:28 mtompset mtompset? 15:28 wahanui you are probably disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. 15:28 jcamins He's pulled out the "I want you to support each version of Koha for three years for free" card. 15:29 tcohen heh, it was the other paul 15:29 jcamins Yup. 15:29 tcohen is he around on IRC? 15:29 jcamins No. 15:29 mtompset support each version of Koha for 3 years?! Are you crazy? Libraries and dependencies and OS's change too fast to do that. 15:29 tcohen so i can say "the bad paul" 15:29 jcamins Yes. 15:30 mtompset The one that makes my country look bad. :P 15:30 jcamins You know, 3.12 is a lot nicer than 3.10. 15:30 jcamins And I'm not saying that just because I am RM. 15:30 tcohen LTS would be great, but people paying that maintenance work is needed 15:30 jcamins So many little improvements that just make life better. 15:31 paul_p just for the record : we've decided to upgrade all our customers with a 100% community version once every year. Previously, we waited for a request (and we have a few libraries still using 3.0.x, a VLTS version ;-) ) 15:32 mtompset Ooo... is VLTS the company that shall not be named? 15:32 jcamins No, Very Long Term Support. 15:32 tcohen we are starting the testing stage for 3.8 > 3.12 15:32 jcamins You're thinking of VTLS, Virginia Tech Library Systems. 15:32 tcohen (once it is released and stuff fixed of course heh) 15:40 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Someone talk me out of sending this, please?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/457 15:41 chris_n question for all you catalogers: where/how do you catalog multiple graduate theses in a single binding in dewey/loc/foobar? 15:41 oleonard jcamins: I would be afraid he would take you up on it 15:41 gaetan_B bye ! 15:42 jcamins oleonard: I would see that as a major win. 15:43 jcamins A maintainer for 3.6 would be excellent. 15:43 chris_n send it on 15:45 jcamins Right, you guys totally failed at persuading me not to send it. 15:45 jcamins chris_n: I would have a different record for each thesis, and use easy analytics to attach them to the same item. 15:46 jcamins (different bib record) 15:47 tcohen jcamins, the email is fine, he won't do it of course 15:47 jcamins Of course. 15:49 jcamins I really want to sign my name "Jared Camins-Esakov, Release Manager for 3.12 and former Release Maintainer for 3.6," but I'm resisting the urge. 15:49 jcamins Barely. 15:51 tcohen jcamins, a fresh 3.11.x install from squeeze-dev, isnt installing /etc/mysql/koha-common.conf 15:51 jcamins tcohen: did you forget to install MySQL? :P 15:51 tcohen do I need it if am using --request-db ? 15:52 jcamins No, but /etc/mysql/koha-common.conf can only be automatically generated if you're using a local database. 15:52 jcamins Otherwise you need to write it yourself. 15:53 tcohen so making packages use an external mysql is a pain 15:54 jcamins Not that bad. 15:54 jcamins You just need to point it at the external database. 15:55 tcohen but it needs to have root access to the external db, right? 15:55 jcamins No. 15:56 tcohen my scenario is a DBA has created 38 mysql dbs in a mysql replicated big server 15:56 jcamins It needs to have administrative access if it is going to create the database, of course. 15:56 tcohen i need to batch create all instances, pointing them to the newly created ones, which will be filled with our 3.8.x dumps 15:57 tcohen so i can make librarians test 3.12 and redo the upgrade each time 15:57 jcamins Right. You can use /etc/mysql/koha-common.conf to point to the external server, and /etc/koha/passwd to set the user/password. 16:00 tcohen by koha-common.conf you mean editing the [client] section? 16:00 jcamins Yeah, I think that's what it uses. 16:00 jcamins koha-common.cnf, rather 16:01 jcamins Yup. [client] 16:01 tcohen work on error handling will be needed for packages 16:02 Anathemizatu Thank you, jcamins, for your advice. I've added "<zebra_auth_index_mode>grs1</zebra_auth_index_mode>" to the koha-conf.xml, as is written here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switching_to_dom_indexing. But now I'm getting the error "Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 335." 16:02 jcamins Hm. 16:02 jcamins Anathemizatu: unfortunately, I'm out of ideas. 16:02 jcamins As I said, as far as I'm concerned, bug 3087 broke all non-MARC21 installas irretrievably. 16:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB 16:03 jcamins *installs 16:05 Anathemizatu I've already done a sed -i 's/usmarc/unimarc/g' koha-conf.xml . Didn't help. Or should I rebuild zebra after that? 16:05 tcohen restart zebra after that 16:06 jcamins You'll have to restart and rebuild zebra after every single thing you try. 16:06 * mtompset grumbles about the fragility of zebra in this regard. 16:06 jcamins mtompset: actually, the problem isn't Zebra. 16:07 jcamins The problem is that we took poorly-written configuration files and made them much worse. 16:10 mtompset Okay, that may be true. But the zebra implementation used in Koha is fragile, because of it. 16:11 jcamins Yes. 16:17 paul_p jcamins & Anathemizatu about 3087, you don't need to reindex, just restart zebra (guaranteed, I made it dozen of times for our libraries) 16:17 paul_p (but I agree it's an unusual case, and usually, you must reindex) 16:17 oleonard nengard: Can you check the version number of URI::Escape on the systems affected by Bug 9990? 16:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9990 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , search toolbar disappears when filtering on author 16:18 nengard 3.30 16:19 nengard it's not highlighted in red or yello 16:19 nengard yellow 16:19 Anathemizatu Thank you, jcamins, huginn 16:19 tcohen jcamins, do u think bug 9409 should also add parameters for the rest of the DB's configuration? 16:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9409 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , koha-create --request-db should be able to accept a dbhost option 16:19 Anathemizatu It worked well :) 16:19 oleonard nengard: I would be curious to know if upgrading it to 3.31 fixed it. 16:19 * oleonard has to leave 16:23 jcamins There is a fire weather warning in Forest Hills today. 16:26 jcamins And it's supposed to be around 80 in San Antonio this weekend. 16:32 jcamins gmcharlt: master is yours. 16:32 jcamins Also, good morning 16:32 jcamins . 16:53 chris_n jcamins: so one item to many bib relationship? 16:53 jcamins Right. 16:54 * cait waves 16:54 * chris_n waves back 16:54 chris_n toward the east 16:54 cait did you all agree on a cookie based name for koha yet? I say ditch the numbers! 16:54 cait sorry :) 16:54 jcamins :) 16:55 chris_n chocolate-double-fudge-and-cream 16:55 jcamins As RM, I am declaring choosing the cookie my prerogative. 16:55 chris_n lol 16:55 jcamins Curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip is current forerunner. 16:55 chris_n I'll find it hard to disagree with whatever you choose 16:55 chris_n however... 16:56 chris_n you should be required to submit a sample batch for testing first 16:56 jcamins lol 16:56 cait and qa!! 16:56 chris_n hehe 16:56 cait which has to be done by the qam in that special case of course 16:56 jcamins lol 16:57 cait :) 16:59 cait jcamins: shouldn#t the coookie start with a? 16:59 jcamins cait: why? 16:59 cait well... curried... we could name 3.8 and 3.10 too 17:00 cait because alphabetic naming would be very... libarian-ish? 17:00 jcamins Hehe. 17:00 jcamins I was thinking C because the RM's last name starts with a C. 17:00 jcamins :P 17:01 cait lol 17:01 cait so if I ever get to be rm it has to start with fish.... 17:01 cait ? 17:01 cait hopefully not :) 17:02 jcamins No, just an F. 17:02 cait i was trying to make a joke about fish and cookies... 17:02 cait it's friday, be nice 17:02 jcamins :) 17:53 * magnuse finds it very, very strange to be making pizza while the sun is shining again 17:54 jcamins Hehe. 17:55 cait again? 17:55 cait you got sun? 17:55 cait not fair. 17:55 cait ;) 17:55 magnuse yeah, lots and lots of sun today 17:56 cait we got none 17:56 cait only grey ligth 17:56 * magnuse commiserates 17:56 druthb sunshine here. and…uhm. warm. 17:56 cait but you got the baby... the baby needs sun :) 17:56 druthb @wunder 77098 17:56 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Royal Brook, Houston, Texas is 17.2°C (12:48 PM CDT on April 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 17:56 magnuse the sun is disappearing behind a low bank of clouds as we speak 17:57 magnuse it will probably set properly in ~20 minutes 17:57 magnuse and it's 8pm - w00t! 18:17 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "any idea why adding 'with rollup' to this report is making it show the item type again and not NULL (like I'm used to seeing)" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/459 18:18 nengard I tested on two different datasets 18:18 cait never used with rollup 18:19 nengard it puts a total at the end 18:19 cait what are you trying to do? 18:19 nengard it's awesome 18:19 cait ah 18:19 nengard seen here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Checkouts_.26_Renewal_Counts_by_Call_Number 18:19 wahanui I haven't seen 'here:', nengard 18:19 nengard and a few other reports 18:19 jcamins nengard: do you have more than one item type that should be showing up? 18:19 nengard not on that one but on another data set it picked the last item type 18:19 jcamins Hm. 18:19 jcamins In that case I don't know why it's doing it. 18:20 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "jcamins" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/460 18:20 nengard see 18:20 cait and it works without the with rollup? 18:20 nengard well it's working with the 'with rollup' 18:20 nengard it's putting a total in there 18:20 nengard just the label is usually NULL 18:20 tcohen rangi http://bikeshed.com/? 18:20 rangi morning 18:21 rangi tcohen: pretty much yes 18:21 cait morning rangi 18:22 nengard more on 'with rollup' here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/group-by-modifiers.html 18:27 mustard http://bikeshed.com <-- cool link, worth a read and a bookmark 18:30 rangi rambutan: there were a couple of good talks at linuxconf.au 2010 about bikeshedding too 18:32 cait t 18:32 cait yay :) 18:33 drojf magic »t«, eh? 18:33 jcamins t 18:33 jcamins Woohoo! I have ops! 18:33 jcamins :P 18:33 rangi gmcharlt++ 18:34 cait hehe 18:34 rangi what i was attempting to say, but did so badly 18:34 druthb gmcharlt++ 18:34 cait hehe yes 18:34 cait gmcharlt++ 18:34 jcamins I was attempting to say now is a silly time to discuss it because the next version is going to be 3.12 no matter what decision is or isn't reached. 18:35 * cait agrees to stick to that and not discuss it 18:35 cait we discussed it over and over 18:35 cait I think changing it would be more confusing than anything else 18:35 gmcharlt jcamins: yeah, I think paul_p was talking about 3.12.next, not 3.12 18:35 drojf pff. we need a relese versioning manager and a team for it. and release name quality assurance. and release name testers. and signoffers. and release name translators 18:35 * druthb blames paul_p. 18:36 * druthb pokes drojf with a pointy stick 18:36 * gmcharlt is fully prepared to call the next release "Bikeshed" 18:36 gmcharlt jes' sayin' :) 18:36 jcamins gmcharlt: that was kind of unclear from the thread, and I wanted to make it explicit, just in case people were getting involved because they thought that they could have a nice marketing point on May 23. 18:37 drojf bikeshed chocolate chip cookie and i'm in 18:37 drojf :D 18:37 gmcharlt drojf++ 18:37 rangi heh 18:38 cait I still think the cookie should start with a 18:38 rangi afghan cookie? 18:39 cait that's a thing? 18:39 rangi http://australianfood.about.com/od/bakingdesserts/r/AfghanBiscuits.htm 18:39 drojf black afghan cookie is a thing :D 18:39 rangi it is 18:39 rangi all nz kids learn how to make them 18:39 rangi they are super easy to make 18:39 jcamins Maybe I should try them. 18:40 cait they have chocolate 18:40 cait and nuts 18:40 cait ... they look like they could be considered 18:40 rangi and cornflakes :) 18:40 jcamins Of course, it requires two types of sugar and one type of cereal that I don't keep in the house. 18:41 rangi the icing sugar is just for the icing, and you can just use regular sugar not castor 18:41 rangi you just have to cream it a bit more 18:42 * cait suggests rangi submits a couple of those to the qam for qa... 18:42 rangi heh 18:42 rangi oh hey 18:43 rangi at linuxconf 18:43 drojf thanks to afghan cookies i learned that there is a website that sells "fact sheets" on "how to buy hash online". yay internet 18:43 rangi one night a bunch of people took over their hotel kitchen 18:43 rangi and cooked a big shared meal 18:44 rangi i wonder if we could try to do someting like that at kohacon 18:44 cait that would be fun :) 18:44 jcamins That might be fun. 18:45 rangi it was easier here, cos it was a hostel type hotel thingy anyway 18:45 rangi so there was a communal kitchen space 18:45 rangi i dont think the hotel in reno would actually let us use there kitchen 18:45 jcamins Yeah, I'm not so sure it would be doable, but I do think it might be fun. 18:45 druthb +1 18:45 rangi their 18:45 rangi even 18:45 * druthb would make her evil peanut brittle! 18:46 bag cheese and crackers and hummas extra :) 18:46 cait lemon cake :) 18:46 bag or something were you could make food without having to cook 18:46 druthb Hi, bag! 18:46 cait or fennel salad hehe 18:46 bag hey Ruth 18:46 druthb fennel_salad++ 18:47 rangi bag: oh good idea, people could bring something each 18:47 rangi i know the US has way way way less strict rules about bringing in food than nz 18:47 rangi so i could bring afghan cookies with me :) 18:47 rangi or anzac biscuits 18:48 jcamins rangi: as long as it's cooked, they don't care at all. 18:48 Dyrcona Oh! Anzac biscuits and NZ marmite! 18:48 rangi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzac_biscuit 18:48 rangi hehe 18:48 jcamins Dyrcona: no marmite. There's a crisis, man! 18:48 jcamins They had to impose rationing! 18:48 Dyrcona But... no marmite means no beer! 18:48 druthb Dyrcona: no marmite. 'cuz it's *nasty* 18:48 * Dyrcona sobs.... 18:48 druthb Tar in a jar. 18:49 rangi i think they are finally making it again 18:49 cait but now you can't buy because the company is evil or something? 18:49 * cait has seen a blog post somewhere 18:49 cait they only ship to the big chains it said 18:49 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO4H8vt8QRU 18:49 rangi yeah, they dont pay taxes 18:49 rangi and only ship to the big chains 18:49 * Dyrcona saw some discussion in the Google+ New Zealand group that the new marmite tastes different from the old. 18:49 rangi sanitarium arent the nicest company 18:50 druthb yeah, someone here in the US discovered it's good for paving roads, and cheaper than oil, so.... 18:50 drojf lol 18:50 rangi however kraft who make vegemite 18:50 rangi are philip morris 18:50 rangi so they suck too 18:50 Dyrcona druthb: So, that's what they're doing in Arkansas? 18:50 druthb Given the quality of the roads in Arkansas, I would not be at all surprised. 18:50 Dyrcona rangi: So, make your own.... ;) 18:51 rangi yep :) 18:51 * Dyrcona was referring to the oil pipeline spill that is being ignored by mainstream media.... 18:51 * jcamins is not a big fan of marmite. 18:51 jcamins Or vegemite. 18:51 rangi or get the english marmite which tastes slightly different again 18:51 * Dyrcona has actually never had either. 18:51 druthb oh, I know, Dyrcona. It's been touched on some here. Nasty mess, that. 18:52 drojf 1+ for termite. deep fried and crunchy 18:52 * Dyrcona is bored. Waiting on SQL scripts to finish running. 18:52 jcamins A friend sent me a link to a cicada cookbook. 18:52 jcamins Apparently they're expecting up to 1 billion cicadas per square mile in New York City. 18:53 drojf woah 18:53 drojf just walk along with your mouth open :D 18:53 jcamins lol 18:53 Dyrcona yep. biking keeps one's belly filled. 18:54 jcamins Actually, I'd think about trying it, if I could think of a way to catch clean ones. 18:54 cait ... you know how you recognize the nice bikers? 18:54 jcamins Since I live in New York City, that doesn't seem possible. 18:55 Dyrcona jcamins: These the 17-year cicadas? 18:55 jcamins Dyrcona: yep. 18:55 Dyrcona jcamins: We mostly have annual cicadas 'round here. 18:55 rangi cait: how? 18:56 jcamins But I refuse to pay for them. 18:56 jcamins Unless, I guess, they're less than $2/lb. 18:56 * druthb waits for it, knowing the answer to cait's question. 18:56 jcamins Dyrcona: my grandparents have annual cicadas around where they live. 18:57 jcamins Or used to. 18:57 jcamins Actually, I can't remember hearing them in recent years. 18:57 druthb she's mean, leaving rangi hanging like that. 18:57 Dyrcona Yeah...used to..... 18:57 Dyrcona We still have them here. 18:57 cait bad german joke :) 18:58 jcamins Dyrcona: so... dinner? 18:58 druthb oh, it's a bad American joke, too. 18:58 cait you recognize them becuse they have flies between their teeth (from smiling) 18:58 druthb "From the bugs in their teeth," yes. :P 18:58 cait heh 18:58 cait bad jokes everywhere :) 18:58 jcamins Heh. 18:58 jcamins Very nice. 18:58 jcamins Shari would never try a cicada, I fear. 18:59 * druthb agrees with jcamind 18:59 druthb jcamins, even 18:59 jcamins Bah. 18:59 druthb I fear she'd flip her lid. 18:59 jcamins Cicadas aren't kosher. 18:59 Dyrcona jcamins: Because of the shell? 18:59 jcamins Because it flies instead of jumping. 18:59 Dyrcona Strange rules..... 19:00 jcamins But locust are. 19:00 jcamins I always thought locust flew in great black clouds. 19:00 Dyrcona Ah, but they can also jump.... 19:00 druthb Ya watched that Charlton Heston movie too much, jcamins. 19:01 Dyrcona So, guess that's an exception. 19:01 jcamins druthb: hehe. 19:01 Dyrcona ;) 19:01 jcamins druthb: actually, it was Little House on the Prairie. 19:02 druthb Mankind has managed to either drive to extinction, or domesticate, practically every animal worth eating. Insects are the second-most-populous lifeform on Earth, and are not domesticated, by and large. These two facts *may* be related. Ick ick ick. 19:02 jcamins lol 19:03 jcamins So... you're saying you'd like a package of these for Christmas: http://www.amazon.com/Hotlix-Candy-Chocolate-Dipped-Insects-6/dp/B0064KI3B8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1365188386&sr=8-2&keywords=chocolate+covered+grasshoppers ? 19:03 druthb hm. 19:04 druthb Let me think..... 19:04 druthb no. 19:04 druthb Do it, and see what happens, little man. *ebil eye* 19:04 jeff jcamins: i have received conference booth swag consisting of an insect in a sucker. branded with some "we lick bugs" slogan or something. 19:04 jcamins jeff: nice! 19:05 druthb They sell those around here. Tequila worms, in a liquor-flavored lollypop. 19:05 jeff jcamins: of course, i'm pretty sure this was comdex 2000 or linux business expo or something. i hope that i threw it out in a timely fashion. 19:06 tcohen bye #koha 19:07 jcamins Locust are very high in protein. 19:07 Dyrcona As are most insects and larvae. 19:07 jcamins http://www.planetscott.com/babes/nutrition.asp 19:07 jcamins The More You Know! 19:07 druthb So are beans. And steak. And chicken. And none of those have the crunchy shell thing going on. 19:08 cait or so many legs 19:08 Dyrcona heh 19:08 jcamins Be sure to remove the fangs when eating "very large spiders." 19:09 druthb cait++ 19:09 Dyrcona jcamins: In Australia, the spiders eat you. ;) 19:09 druthb ! 19:09 cait druthb: nz is safe 19:11 druthb The closest thing to an insect I'll eat is certain crustaceans, and only if someone else does the cleanin', and removin' all the legs. 19:11 jcamins And apparently a natural habitat for delicious locust! :P 19:12 Dyrcona I love this quote from that site: We strongly hope that our definition will prove helpful in your selection of ingredients. 19:12 cait druthb: I am with you on that 19:13 jcamins Dyrcona: heh. 19:14 Dyrcona From Wikipedia: Many New Zealand cicada species differ from those of other countries by being found high up on mountain tops. 19:15 drojf very large spiders? nonononono 19:15 drojf crunchy locust, why not. but spiders, never 19:16 jcamins drojf: actually, I feel the same way. 19:17 chris_n "scorpions (cut off the stinger)" 19:18 drojf the stinger is the best part :D 19:18 * chris_n feels sorry for the poor fool who does not 19:18 drojf lol 19:27 drojf so, what insects are typical for reno? ;) 19:28 jcamins Scorpions, I think. 19:28 cait ew 19:29 jcamins I know they're in other parts of Nevada, anyway. 19:29 drojf search throws »adult ladybugs«… not sure if insect or porn site. afraid to open :D 19:30 jcamins There are lots of ladybugs in New Jersey. I don't think they're particularly edible. 19:30 cait lol 19:31 drojf »phidippus_mystaceus_3_tile_hex2 My favorite jumping spider, now with improved hexagonal transformation!« with pictures. yikes 19:31 * cait won't look 19:31 jcamins lol 19:39 chris_n drojf: black widows too 19:39 chris_n not as edible I think 19:40 jcamins chris_n: probably not. 19:43 drojf cait couldn't take it anymore 19:43 druthb :P 19:44 gmcharlt the 3.12.x branch is now a thing 19:45 jcamins Hooray! 19:45 drojf 3.12.x? don't you mean »koha spidercrunch«? 19:46 * jcamins is trying to be serious here! 19:48 * druthb isn't. 19:54 * cait waves 19:54 druthb welcome back, cait! 19:54 cait now I missd the branching 19:54 cait was there a party? 19:54 druthb an amazing party 19:54 jcamins cait: yes, we served chocolate covered locust! 19:54 druthb you missed it. 19:54 cait oh noes! 19:54 cait lol 19:55 * druthb wields pointy stick, takes aim at jcamins 19:55 * mtompset chuckles at jcamins' remark. "It's relatively true." 20:01 drojf loculate™ 20:11 jcamins You know what I would find more useful than the modal we are currently using for previews on Z39.50 imports? 20:11 jcamins An expander thingy so that I can look at more than one record. 20:12 cait diff view? :) 20:12 jcamins That'd be even cooler. 20:12 jcamins But I had in mind just a... 20:13 * jcamins checks what it's called 20:13 jcamins Bootstrap calls it a "collapse." 20:58 cait night all :) 21:47 wizzyrea where is Samuel from? 21:48 wizzyrea anybody? Anybody? 21:50 rangi france somewhere 21:54 * wizzyrea will say france, hope it's right 22:03 wizzyrea bgkriegel - about? 22:04 rangi hi mcooper 22:10 mtj haay chris, ive just been reading the bikeshedding stuff on the tubes, its very interesting 22:12 mtj but… i think for koha, there have been less of this behaviour of late 22:12 rangi except for release numbers yes 22:12 rangi i mean that thread now has 20 mails 22:13 bag I was going to comment just to comment 22:13 bag I'm taking the over at 25 :P 22:13 rangi be nice if a please sign this bug off prompted that kinda response :) 22:13 * wizzyrea missed something important eh 22:13 bag beat you some beer at Reno rangi 22:13 bag whoops bet not beat 22:13 rangi wizzyrea: nope, entirely the point, something unimportant that comes up every so often to distract from actual stuff :) 22:14 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/release-team-koha-3-14-code-pi-elected/ >.> 22:14 bag but that's eveil :P it could be at 25 and I could write some dumb comment and win :) 22:14 mtj i feel ashamed for participating in the thread, last time round... 22:14 bag ok so my comments don't count 22:14 * wizzyrea has been doing important things. 22:14 rangi i like gmcharlt idea, pick some scheme and never talk about it again 22:14 rangi :) 22:14 rangi wizzyrea++ 22:15 bag that's a really nice and big team 22:15 bag biggest so far :) 22:15 wizzyrea I vote we send pie to the RM from all over the world on a successful release. :) 22:15 mtj from memory, i suggested we use vegetable names for koha releases, (and some other stuff too) 22:15 bag good call 22:15 * wizzyrea wonders how to get a steak and cheese to gmcharlt from here... 22:15 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I can get behind that pie proposal :) 22:15 bag or we coudl shaving cream pie him at the conference 22:15 wizzyrea hehehe 22:16 wizzyrea ! 22:16 wizzyrea no. 22:16 bag heh :P 22:16 mtj rangi, i like gmcharlt's idea too 22:16 gmcharlt bag: if you're going to pie me, at least make it edible! ;) 22:16 bag whipped cream pie! 22:17 bag only former RM's can do that - I guess 22:17 wizzyrea hm no, I think RM humiliation is right out. 22:17 bag so umm gmcharlt you can whipped cream pie yourself (sounds odd) 22:18 wizzyrea can we just leave off pies in the face altogether? :P 22:18 gmcharlt wizzyrea++ # ;) 22:18 bag but it's fun :( 22:19 wizzyrea for whom? :P 22:20 bag the pie 22:20 * wizzyrea gets out the mom voice 22:20 wizzyrea we will have no hazing of RM's 22:20 wizzyrea they get enough punishment as it is. 22:21 wizzyrea </mom> 22:25 gmcharlt @quote add <wizzyrea> we will have no hazing of RM's 22:25 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #240 added. 22:32 quocuy Hello #koha 22:40 wizzyrea hey quocuy - question, where are you from? 22:41 quocuy ýe 22:41 wizzyrea it's for the release team post on the KC website 22:41 quocuy yes, i come from Vietnam 22:41 jcamins I hear the current RM accepts cookies, cakes, *and* pies. In case you wondered. 22:41 quocuy i often login here :) 22:41 wizzyrea we did wonder, actually 22:42 wizzyrea are you affiliated with a library 22:42 wizzyrea ? 22:42 quocuy ok, i tried to print library card with Koha 22:42 wizzyrea quocuy: 22:42 quocuy problem is that, i can't print name in unicode 22:42 wizzyrea hm yes this is probably a limitation of the PDF output possibly? 22:43 quocuy searched, asked in mailling list, Christ told me, no resolution has not yet 22:43 quocuy yes 22:44 quocuy i'm not affiliated with a library, what i am trying to do is make Koha become popular in my country 22:45 quocuy because this's perfect opensource 22:45 quocuy hello jcamins 22:49 wizzyrea quocuy: cool :) 22:52 quocuy thanks 22:52 quocuy so there is not solution for this? 23:21 bag @notes 23:21 huginn bag: I currently have notes waiting for #koha, Brooke:, cait,, cait:, ccurry, chris_c, chris_n,, chris_n:, christ, cindy, Culiforg:, dpavlin:, druthb_away, druthb_away:, ebegin, eythian:, Genji:, gmcharlt:, hackfesters, hankbank, hdl:, hdl_laptop:, http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/listen/inetbib/msg48204.html, jcamin, jcamins:, juan-siera, kf,, km_kale, kmkale:, kyleh, LadyNight32, lducos, magnus_waffles, manguse, (1 more message) 23:59 rangi @later tell quocuy yes, you need to rewrite the labels using css/html instead of pdf .. but in the meantime there are some patches using truetype fonts to bandaid over the fact that native pdf fonts do not support utf8 23:59 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.