Time  Nick           Message
23:59 rangi          it does? that is handy
23:59 jcamins        Cool!
23:59 jcamins        LC offers Z39.50 access to authorities?
23:50 jcamins        Number 3460 in the mtgox verification queue!
23:02 huginn         rambutan: nengard was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 11 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <nengard> Thanks quocuy :)
23:02 rambutan       @seen nengard
22:42 rambutan       http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2417399,00.asp
22:20 cjh            h
22:20 cjh            morning-is
21:24 rambutan       안녕 wahanui
21:24 wahanui        niihau, rambutan
21:24 rambutan       hi
21:20 wahanui        bonjour, eythian
21:20 eythian        hi
20:21 rangi          cya oleonard
20:21 rangi          heh
20:21 oleonard       Bye #koha
20:21 oleonard       I'd better stop my incessant chatter and get out of here.
20:21 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9554 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , single quote in didyoumean
20:20 jenkins_koha   Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9554: single quote in didyoumean
20:20 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.10.x build #93: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/93/
19:54 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
19:54 * magnuse      cheers Bug 9172 on
19:47 kathryn        hiya cait
19:47 cait           hi kathryn :)
19:46 kathryn        hi all :)
19:40 jenkins_koha   Starting build #93 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:37 rangi          :)
19:36 magnuse        ...but probably not tonight
19:34 magnuse        thanks rangi, i'll try and do a new patch
19:31 rangi          there we go, it doesnt apply clean
19:29 alohabot       Hi mib_hello, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
19:29 rangi          :)
19:29 * magnuse      tries to find useful koha-stuff to do, instead of all the catching up on other things he *ought* to be doing
19:28 magnuse        ...is what huginn was trying to say
19:28 rangi          ah yep lemme check it applies
19:28 cait           yum
19:27 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9772 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page
19:27 magnuse        rangi: planning to push Bug 9772 - "Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page" to stable? if not, i'll close it
19:27 druthb         cait:  QAMsnack grilled cheese
19:27 wahanui        :)
19:27 druthb         wahanui:  botsnack milk & cookies
19:26 rangi          magnuse: huginn is trying to tell rangi:  something :)
19:26 rangi          heh
19:26 cait           must be the rat poison druthb fed you... poor bot
19:26 wahanui        cait: what?
19:26 cait           wahanui, i agreed with you!
19:26 wahanui        cait: excuse me?
19:26 cait           wahanui: yeah, he totally is!
19:26 magnuse        kia ora rangi!
19:26 cait           morning rangi :)
19:25 rangi          morning
19:25 magnuse        yay!
19:25 wahanui        i think magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
19:25 bag            hey magnuse
19:25 magnuse        hiya bag!
19:21 drojf          koha…has…bugs? nooooo!
19:18 cait           bag: but beware of the super powers that come with the job... finding bugs everywhere!
19:16 druthb         d00d!
19:14 cait           I think coding guidelines and qa script are good places to start :)
19:12 bag            I'm a newbie so we'll start me off slowly :)
19:12 bag            looking forward to it
19:12 cait           learn to delegate is top on my list :)
19:12 cait           oh I will try :)
19:12 bag            not so much questions :)
19:12 bag            well more like can you QA something dood :P
19:11 cait           hm? questions?
19:11 cait           um
19:11 bag            now you'll be asking me more questions :P  (which is a good thing :) )
19:11 jcamins        lol
19:11 wahanui        i think coolness is a factor way the hell down druthb's list, though it's on there.  The ability to do druthb's editing in druthb's Editor Of Choice instead of that wonky one in WP was a big selling point, as was being able to version-control the whole site with git, and automate the upload.  So far, I'm happy as a clam with this.  I've got about another hours's work, and it'll be ready for me to throw WP overboard.
19:11 bag            coolness
19:10 cait           you got elected ;)
19:10 bag            heya cait
19:10 cait           hi bag
19:10 bag            good day
19:09 jenkins_koha   Nicole C. Engard: update circ and fine rules
19:09 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_Docs build #318: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/318/
19:09 jenkins_koha   Starting build #318 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:54 huginn         magnuse: The operation succeeded.
18:54 magnuse        @later tell rangi: planning to push Bug 9772 - "Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page" to stable? if not, i'll close it
18:52 drojf          heh
18:51 cait           hmpf :)
18:51 magnuse        welcome back, cait ;-)
18:51 * cait_afk     nick cait
18:51 * cait_afk     gives up
18:51 drojf          thx cait_afk
18:51 cait_afk       wb drojf
18:51 cait_afk       but maybe leave him a note? guess he shoudl be around soon
18:51 cait_afk       I think he has caught up
18:50 magnuse        yeah, but how long is a while, especially around easter...
18:50 cait_afk       and have been sitting there for a while - rangi looks at the queue all the time
18:50 cait_afk       hm I think if they are pushed to master and enh you can close
18:49 magnuse        *that are just "pushed to master"
18:49 magnuse        gah
18:49 magnuse        yeah, a status that says "this patch has been pushed to master and the rmaint has looked at it and will not include it in the stable release" or something similar would be nice - make it easier to close bugs that are just "pushed to stable"
17:39 tcohen         its simpler
17:39 tcohen         I'll send wizzyrea the patch so she re attachs it
17:38 cait_afk       maybe afollow up?
17:38 tcohen         it works fine when changing stuff from the UI
17:38 cait_afk       not sure
17:38 cait_afk       um
17:38 tcohen         it is not behaving correctly when drawing the page with info from the DB (i.e. the -8 value)
17:37 cait_afk       what's wrong? :)
17:37 cait_afk       it depends a bit on the fix
17:37 tcohen         cait_afk, jcamins: am i allowed to do a small fix to the patch when signing?
17:20 * drojf        goes home
17:17 jcamins        tcohen: please do.
17:16 cait_afk       tcohen: all ok
17:15 oleonard       tcohen: That's okay as far as I know
17:14 drojf          i'm getting way too many ideas about that :)
17:11 rambutan       you know, an arduino or Pi could do this--trip a release on the door or something simple
17:10 rambutan       and make the "magic book" remotely programmable, so that it can be changed periodically?
17:08 drojf          a library or my future house ;)
17:07 drojf          if i'd design a library i'd put in some secret rooms with doors that only turn once you touch that one special book. offering fancy secret reading rooms with different themes
17:06 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9894 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 'hidden' value is hard to understand in frameworks
17:06 tcohen         jcamins, can I sign on wizzyrea's folowup for bug 9894 or should a third party do?
17:05 drojf          heh that's cool
17:04 gmcharlt       e.g., touching a specific spot on a column would make nature sounds play
17:04 gmcharlt       reminds me of the Evanston Public Library; when they remodeled a while back, the director had the builders put in a few easter eggs in the children's room
17:02 drojf          speaking of gamification, i would still like to see ghosts walking through the libraries, and pills in the corners turning them blue for a while
16:59 drojf          yay :)
16:59 gmcharlt       book races!
16:59 gmcharlt       dunno, maybe that should be an added option to Koha to join the gamification of the library bandwagon
16:58 gmcharlt       heh
16:57 drojf          ok that makes more sense than "you got three minutes, get your books NOW NOW NOW!" :D
16:57 oleonard       And yes, general internet access
16:57 oleonard       drojf: For managing public computer usage
16:57 drojf          or i misunderstand and that is about general internet access being limited
16:56 drojf          oleonard: i mean http://koha-community.org/olly-olly-oxen-free-integrators-koha-stand-counted/comment-page-1/#comment-17259
16:56 oleonard       drojf: timeout system pref?
16:55 drojf          opac time limit?
16:47 rambutan       gmcharlt's survey is racking up responses already
16:47 rambutan       test
16:43 oleonard       Not the way we use it.
16:42 cait_afk       oleonard: hm maybe it should be removed from the patron account too?
16:25 huginn         talljoy: bag was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 4 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <bag> heh
16:25 talljoy        @seen bag
16:12 oleonard       Seems like a bug to me.
16:11 oleonard       onloan is getting set to NULL when the item is marked 'long overdue (lost)'
16:11 gmcharlt       call for information: http://koha-community.org/olly-olly-oxen-free-integrators-koha-stand-counted/
16:07 cait           bbl
16:06 cait           and if ti doesn't - we got a bigger problem
16:06 cait           oleonard: yep it should
16:06 oleonard       :(
16:06 cait           so that might be too early to congratulate me
16:06 cait           oleonard: I came out with 2 more appointments...
16:06 oleonard       I mean = <date> ?
16:05 oleonard       If something is checked out shouldn't it always have items.onloan = 1?
15:59 * oleonard     congratulates cait on surviving the dentist
15:55 jenkins_koha   Nicole C. Engard: add holds faq
15:55 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_Docs build #317: SUCCESS in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/317/
15:55 jenkins_koha   Nicole C. Engard: add holds faq
15:55 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #36: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/36/
15:54 jenkins_koha   Starting build #317 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:54 jenkins_koha   Starting build #36 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:50 nengard        Thanks quocuy :)
15:29 quocuy         i know :)
15:22 nengard        :)
15:22 mtompset       nengard is the monarch of documentation! :)
15:21 quocuy         i often watched your video before
15:21 quocuy         You are my idol:)
15:20 quocuy         hi nelgard
15:18 reiveune       bye
15:13 tcohen         heh
15:13 tcohen         I am not THAT crazy
15:12 mtompset       Maint, Maint... next you'll be RManager in a few short months. ;)
15:11 tcohen         RMaint
15:11 mtompset       Congrats again on the RM position.
15:11 mtompset       Greeting, tcohen.
15:11 mtompset       Greetings, nengard. :)
15:11 nengard        it's fun for me
15:11 tcohen         heh
15:11 nengard        but I am happy to continue doing it :)
15:11 nengard        not much of a surprise
15:11 nengard        :)
15:09 tcohen         recently re-elected documentation manager
15:08 tcohen         hi nengard
15:08 nengard        hiya druthb and all
15:07 * druthb       hands tcohen the Velcro, and waves to nengard
14:41 oleonard       The question about maintenance releases sounds tricky, unless they're clearly enhancements.
14:41 oleonard       I'd like to see this question followed up on. The list of bugs reported by me which are "patch pushed" are mostly assigned to me as well.
14:35 * gmcharlt     makes a note to see if we can figure out a way to get bz to do that more easily
14:34 tcohen         should we close bugs as soon as they've hit master?
14:34 gmcharlt       hmm, yeah, that is one thing I like about Launchpad -- it makes it easy to keep track of the status of a bug on multiple release branches
14:33 tcohen         so they know about it
14:33 tcohen         several times i just didn't know if the bug should remain open for the previous versions release maintainers
14:32 gmcharlt       jcamins: indeed; reporters closing their bugs (after testing to confirm that the issue has been resolved) is just an ideal
14:32 tcohen         it is not always clear if they shuold be closed
14:31 * jcamins      heads to distant Brooklyn.
14:31 jcamins        gmcharlt: it would be, but we have hundreds or thousands of bugs that haven't been closed because the reporters never do.
14:24 gmcharlt       (would be nice if more reporters did, though)
14:24 jcamins        Reporters never close their own bugs.
14:24 jcamins        Even if someone else opened the bug.
14:24 jcamins        magnuse: close 'em!
14:23 druthb         well, okay.
14:23 wahanui        Cookies are delicious delicacies
14:23 druthb         wahanui:   cookies?
14:23 tcohen         hmmm
14:21 druthb         at KohaCon, tcohen.
14:21 jcamins        tcohen: when I was rmaint, you baked them yourself. :P
14:21 tcohen         i was told that being rmaint meant free cookies, where do i get them?
14:19 kf_lunch       and it will clean up the bug lists when you search for something
14:19 kf_lunch       yep
14:19 oleonard       And that idea makes sense too, since after something is "pushed to master" any bugs found should be addressed in a new bug report
14:19 kf_lunch       and now I have to leave...dentist
14:19 kf_lunch       :)
14:18 * oleonard     got it
14:18 kf_lunch       hm not sure that sentence makes sense :)
14:18 kf_lunch       I personally think we should automatically close all bugs after release that were pushed to this version.
14:18 kf_lunch       but I don't see that happening
14:18 kf_lunch       i think we once said ideally the bug reporter should close
14:17 oleonard       Is the answer different if it's about bugs reported by someone else being closed by the patch-submitter?
14:16 kf_lunch       and for normarc noone else will... so
14:16 magnuse        thanks gmcharlt and kf
14:16 druthb         +1
14:16 kf_lunch       ^^ agreed
14:16 * magnuse      gotta run, will look for replies later
14:16 gmcharlt       if I'm understanding your question correctly
14:16 gmcharlt       magnuse: if the patches were committed to the relevant release branches, I don't think there's any reason why you can't close those bugs
14:15 magnuse        hm, what's the policy about me closing bugs i reported and patched?
14:14 wahanui        9985
14:14 magnuse        10000 - 15
14:14 * druthb       chuckles.
14:13 * kf_lunch     nick kf
14:13 kf_lunch       magnuse: ?
14:12 magnuse        ooh, 10k-15
14:12 druthb         Hi, kf_lunch.
14:11 kf_lunch       jcamins: cjh
14:06 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9985 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , The -r option to build-git-snapshot works only half way
14:06 magnuse        bug 9985
13:55 druthb         The Northeast Corridor and Acela service do, and they've recently added it on the Sunset Limited.
13:54 jcamins        Yes, they all involve tethering. :P
13:54 druthb         There are some.
13:52 oleonard       Hah, internet on a train in America? :P
13:50 magnuse        bring a long cable
13:50 druthb         Also no showers.  Bad idea, for this fat chick.
13:50 magnuse        gah
13:50 druthb         no internet.
13:50 magnuse        druthb: lots of time for hacking ;-)
13:49 druthb         Amtrak: Bus and train, 51 hours from Houston to Reno, 67 hours back, $279 each way.  Never mind that.
13:49 magnuse        oleonard: that, or we could spend some time debugging it too
13:48 oleonard       magnuse: ...we could all be human flies by now?
13:48 jcamins        magnuse: yeah, that happens to me too.
13:47 * magnuse      uses the -r option to build-git-snapshot and gets some files in the destination dir and some in the dir above the current dir
13:46 magnuse        if we all spent the money we spend on planetix on developing teleportation instead...
13:45 jcamins        They sure are.
13:45 druthb         sheesh.  plane tix are outrageous!
13:44 quocuy         now my poor VPS working with 25 Koha-site, almost they used it to test before using, with one installation
13:44 druthb         488 round trip from IAH via AA, 472 via UA.
13:43 quocuy         i have search and ask about changing template depend on branches libraries
13:43 quocuy         there is no guide in the internet, i think.
13:42 jcamins        There is a way to do that, using an environment variable, but I don't remember exactly how off the top of my head.
13:41 quocuy         today, some one told me that, it's possible do it with changing something in apache and mysql.
13:40 quocuy         sorry all, an old question, is there some way to change header and footer on OPAC for each branch library?
13:36 oleonard       Are the already-submitted proposals available to see somewhere?
13:35 druthb         jcamins: Yah.  I want to talk about what development has been done/is being done/needs to be done toward a truly multilingual Koha.
13:34 jcamins        I need to figure out what part of KohaCon I'm going for.
13:34 * druthb       chuckles evilly.
13:34 wahanui        :)
13:34 druthb         wahanui:  botsnack rat poison
13:33 wahanui        i haven't a clue, oleonard
13:33 oleonard       wahanui: That means the title is rattling around in my keyboard?
13:33 jcamins        Oh?
13:33 wahanui        well, a title is right in the breadcrumbs
13:33 druthb         Or a title.
13:33 druthb         I know vaguely what I'm gonna do, jcamins, just haven't figured out an abstract for it.
13:33 quocuy         so it seem i can't help?
13:32 quocuy         i'm in russia
13:32 jcamins        Someone suggested the search rewrite.
13:32 jcamins        druthb: I'm not sure what I'm talking about.
13:32 druthb         Guess Id better get mine put together then, hm.  I promised Nancy a preso.
13:32 oleonard       Where are you located quocuy?
13:31 wahanui        KohaCon13 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary
13:31 oleonard       KohaCon13
13:31 quocuy         only 2 weeks until presentations deadline! what presentation? :)
13:31 * oleonard     does all his snooping through Bugzilla
13:31 jcamins        chrish.
13:31 jcamins        Found it.
13:31 jcamins        Mostly I'm seeing conversations between Chris Cormack and Kyle Hall.
13:30 oleonard       jcamins: Look in Bugzilla?
13:30 jcamins        Does anyone have an e-mail address for Chris Hall?
13:28 quocuy         i'll often be here, just today miss meeting about time. Ok i read all the meeting, you guys so humorous :)
13:27 druthb         oleonard++
13:26 oleonard       What the heck, let's double it again!!
13:26 druthb         wahoo!
13:26 jcamins        Of course.
13:26 druthb         I hope you doubled my salary in the process.
13:25 jcamins        You're chief bug wrangler.
13:25 jcamins        Except you, druthb.
13:25 oleonard       Everyone not present was bestowed the title "Co-bug-wrangler"
13:24 druthb         I intended to be there, in the interest of not getting drafted for something *else*, but it just wasn't happenin'.
13:24 druthb         Thanks, oleonard.
13:24 druthb         o/
13:24 oleonard       Congratulations duly-re-elected translations manager druthb
13:21 oleonard       dcook++ # for testing
13:20 * oleonard     will try again
13:20 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Use DataTables on circulation page
13:20 oleonard       I didn't really think Bug 9887 would make it on the first try.
13:20 jcamins        Okay, not really. He did run for RM.
13:20 jcamins        gmcharlt, for example.
13:19 quocuy         ok, thanks :)
13:19 jcamins        Indeed, we often prefer that people not be present, so that we can volunteer them for things.
13:19 oleonard       quocuy: Yes, you don't have to be present to win :)
13:19 tcohen         10:40:10 <kf> #agreed Live CD/DVD Manager: Nguyen Quoc Uy
13:19 jcamins        Give or take.
13:18 jcamins        tcohen: about once a week.
13:18 quocuy         Ok AGREED: Live CD/DVD Manager: Nguyen Quoc Uy (kf, 10:40:10) i saw it
13:18 tcohen         how often are the squeeze-dev packages updated?
13:18 * oleonard     prepares a vast tribute of riches to bestow upon the new RM, just to be on the safe side
13:16 quocuy         it's ok, i already did it :)
13:16 quocuy         ok, thanks
13:15 oleonard       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_3_April_2013 <-- links to the minutes and the log if you're interested quocuy
13:15 drojf          and you need to change your passwort
13:15 jcamins        quocuy: you need to put a slash before the msg command.
13:14 drojf          yes
13:14 quocuy         so i missed the meeting?
13:13 quocuy         ???
13:12 oleonard       10UTC was three hours ago quocuy :(
13:11 quocuy         what time is it? i think 1 hour more will be the meeting?
13:11 quocuy         why/?
13:08 jcamins        quocuy: you missed the forward slash at the beginning.
13:05 quocuy         msg nickserv register Hoangthuy1 nguyenquocuy_1102@yahoo.com
13:03 mib_hello      /msg nickserv Hoangthuy1
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12:58 drojf          to stop the terrorists
12:57 oleonard       No idea who or why.
12:57 kf_lunch       ew
12:56 oleonard       Someone seems to have blocked IRC on my network today.
12:56 kf_lunch       h oleonard :)
12:56 * oleonard     grumble grumble mibbit grumble
12:55 kf_lunch       magnuse: don't get lost!
12:52 magnuse        or "wading through the snow"-ies
12:52 magnuse        oh well, time for walkies
12:50 magnuse        ah, that would do it
12:49 jcamins        Yeah, it's 9 days old.
12:49 magnuse        maybe ohloh is not quite up to date, though
12:49 magnuse        the git page says 72 for me, ohloh says 69
12:48 jcamins        They look about the same to me.
12:46 * magnuse      has been keeping an eye on the numbers on ohloh, which are different
12:46 jcamins        Three patches to go!
12:46 * magnuse      aspires to getting ahead of wizzyrea
12:46 jcamins        Yes, but a small, vocal minority would.
12:45 jcamins        Hehe.
12:45 tcohen         the vast majority wouldnt object i think, and we are a democratic community
12:45 jcamins        That does not seem likely, does it?
12:45 jcamins        lol
12:45 magnuse        volunteer as rm lots of times in the future? :-)
12:44 jcamins        git log --author=camins --pretty=oneline | wc
12:44 jcamins        And git log.
12:43 * jcamins      is perfectly okay with cheating on his statistics and counting merge commits.
12:43 jcamins        git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html
12:43 jcamins        gmcharlt has 1300 patches, and he'll be the one doing the the merges starting soon.
12:42 magnuse        which stats are you looking at?
12:42 jcamins        I doubt it.
12:42 magnuse        just keep on hacking
12:42 magnuse        sure you will!
12:37 jcamins        And I'll never hit #4.
12:37 jcamins        58 more patches to reach #5.
12:36 magnuse        success! \o/
12:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9981 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort1 not automatically cleared when duplicating a patron
12:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4862 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , "Browse by subject" is misnamed
12:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9683 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Allow disable rewrite apache mod
12:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9877 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on funds administration page
12:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9970 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add datepicker widget default configuration to OPAC patron entry form
12:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9535 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Patron card creator "Remove duplicates" function doesn't work
12:34 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9981: Handle sort1 field when duplicating patron
12:34 jenkins_koha   * Liz Rea: bug 4862 - Change label of Browse by subject or author to Authority search
12:34 jenkins_koha   * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9683: Allow disable rewrite apache mod
12:34 jenkins_koha   * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9877: Followup: FIX if the table is empty.
12:34 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9877 - Use DataTables on funds administration page
12:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9971 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Plugins system is broken!
12:34 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9970 - Add datepicker default configuration to OPAC patron entry form
12:34 jenkins_koha   * Chris Nighswonger: Bug 9535 - Patron card creator "Remove duplicates" function doesn't work
12:34 jenkins_koha   * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9971 - Plugins system is broken!
12:34 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1134: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1134/
12:32 tcohen         morning #koha
12:16 * magnuse      fires up virtualbox
12:15 jcamins        :)
12:12 magnuse        i could build them myself, of course :-)
12:11 jcamins        I don't have a particular milestone in mind at this point, but a lot more people install them than I expected.
12:11 jcamins        magnuse: probably.
12:11 magnuse        jcamins: will you do more beta packages? they are really good for testing things
12:06 * magnuse      drops and recreates the db
12:05 magnuse        yeah, probably related
12:04 jcamins        Or, could do it, anyway.
12:04 jcamins        That'd do it.
12:04 magnuse        ah, the server was out of disk space for a while
12:04 magnuse        nope
12:02 jcamins        That doesn't seem good.
12:02 magnuse        only has 64 tables
12:02 magnuse        ah, the install is completely broken
12:01 magnuse        lemme check
12:01 jcamins        Could you have accidentally deleted the Version syspref?
12:01 jcamins        Hm.
12:01 magnuse        last update was during the hackfest, so ~2 weeks ago
12:00 magnuse        current version is 3.11-1~git+20130328115425.5fe6d9f7
12:00 pastebot       "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt" (48 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/452
11:59 magnuse        they are all Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt (<)
11:59 jcamins        Oh?
11:58 magnuse        and get lots of db errors
11:58 magnuse        i upgraded the "master" package install
11:58 magnuse        yeah...
11:58 jcamins        Uh-oh.
11:58 magnuse        hm, that's weird
11:54 magnuse        ah
11:54 jcamins        I think rangi.
11:54 magnuse        who does that?
11:50 kf_lunch       yes, give me ops! :P
11:50 kf_lunch       ?
11:39 magnuse        excellent idea
11:39 jcamins        All power to the QAM! Soviets! Whatever!
11:39 drojf          yay, more power to the qam
11:38 jcamins        We should get cait ops.
11:38 jcamins        lol
11:38 drojf          oh the candidate for tourette syndrome manager was late for the meeting
11:36 magnuse        good night dcook_
11:36 dcook_         Night all :)
11:36 dcook_         Andchat is a neat app :)
11:36 dcook_         Eythian++
11:36 dcook_         Almost home. Time to log off.
11:35 magnuse        hehe
11:34 dcook_         Glad I didn't swear in frustration...
11:33 dcook_         Ahhh! Big puddle
11:33 dcook_         Convenient
11:33 magnuse        yay for network policy
11:32 jcamins        jaysql: we generally try to keep the channel polite.
11:30 jaysql         i found a bug in koha:)
11:30 wahanui        i heard koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
11:25 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9981' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b1a091a80c8b3f5f7c18889fd0712eb6d3add7f> / Bug 9981: Handle sort1 field when duplicating patron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae0d137436c41b66fe975f3f0c0ed39f710b8df5> / Merge branch 'bug_4862' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=19d042a83
11:24 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1134 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
11:23 jcamins        magnuse: probably not.
11:22 * magnuse      does not think koha is quite ready for that though :-)
11:22 magnuse        heh, a math geek friend just pointed out this: "Since version 3, TeX has used an idiosyncratic version numbering system, where updates have been indicated by adding an extra digit at the end of the decimal, so that the version number asymptotically approaches π. This is a reflection of the fact that TeX is now very stable, and only minor updates are anticipated. The current version of TeX is 3.1415926; it was last updated in March 2008."
11:16 huginn         jcamins: The operation succeeded.
11:16 jcamins        @later tell oleonard You know what might be nice? One of those static save bars on the patron edit screen.
11:13 dcook          :p
11:13 jcamins        But, good point.
11:12 jcamins        Currently it doesn't work. That's why I proposed a rewrite. :P
11:12 * oleonard     back soon
11:11 dcook          Actually yeah. It would be nice to learn more about how it currently works and your vision for it
11:10 jcamins        magnuse: ooh, not a bad idea.
11:10 dcook          Hmm. Good question, jcamins
11:10 wahanui        the search rewrite is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
11:10 magnuse        jcamins: the search rewrite?
11:09 jcamins        On the subject of presentations at KohaCon, anything folks would like to hear me talk about?
11:08 * wizzyrea     goes to slee..zzzzzzzzzz
11:07 wahanui        http://media-cache-ec3.pinterest.com/192x/ac/e1/1a/ace11a6b0d419c06031205a2a0819323.jpg
11:07 wizzyrea       someone needs a hug.
11:07 tcohen         bye rangi
11:06 dcook          Night BobB
11:06 * rangi        goes to sleep
11:06 dcook          .
11:06 dcook          Oh wow...I'm really walking in the opposite direction of home now
11:06 bgkriegel      to work, bye
11:06 drojf          time to wake up
11:06 BobB           thanks everyone, good night.
11:05 BobB           :)
11:05 wahanui        goodnight jransom. You'll be back.
11:05 jransom        night all
11:05 jransom        lol
11:05 magnuse        BobB: lol :-)
11:05 tcohen         time to have breakfast bye
11:05 * thd          returns to sleep for the third time this morning  :)
11:05 BobB           I thought 'bib' was 'bob' with a kiwi accent.  :)
11:05 kf             bbl :)
11:05 kf             time to have lunch before conference call
11:04 jcamins        magnuse: thanks...
11:04 * magnuse      hands jcamins a s/bib/BobB/
11:04 jransom        very civilized
11:04 BobB           jransom, noon here
11:04 dcook          Irc while on phone in the rain means I'm totally not on the right street anymore...
11:04 kf             jcamins: not too bad eh? :P
11:04 jransom        bib: what time for you ?
11:04 jcamins        Exactly one hour.
11:04 jcamins        Well done.
11:03 * oleonard     stumbles off to work
11:03 oleonard       gmcharlt: :P
11:03 BobB           0200 UTC  is quite civilised if one is not a European or an African
11:03 * gmcharlt     stumbles back to bed
11:03 tcohen         cait++
11:03 magnuse        kf++
11:03 gmcharlt       kf++
11:03 huginn         Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_irc_meeting.2013-04-03-10.04.log.html
11:03 huginn         Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_irc_meeting.2013-04-03-10.04.txt
11:03 huginn         Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_irc_meeting.2013-04-03-10.04.html
11:03 huginn         Meeting ended Wed Apr  3 10:59:45 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
11:03 kf             #endmeeting
11:03 magnuse        yay
11:02 kf             #agreed Next Koha IRC Meeting will be Tuesday 7 May - 02:00 UTC
11:02 magnuse        gmcharlt: moahahaha
11:02 drojf          a marcalendar would always know when to do a meeting
11:02 gmcharlt       +1 Tuesday, 7 May
11:02 * kf           watis for objections
11:01 wahanui        yw
11:01 kf             thx wahanui
11:01 BobB           magnuse: lol
11:01 gmcharlt       magnuse: there are systems that do that, actually
11:01 drojf          magnuse: yay!
11:01 wahanui        it has been said that 7th is worth a try
11:01 kf             7th?
11:01 magnuse        maybe we could store the borrowers as marc records?
11:01 kf             what about...
11:01 kf             next meeting will be in may
11:01 wizzyrea       looool
11:01 magnuse        lol
11:01 kf             ok, date
11:00 wahanui        http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
11:00 rangi          we should use more marc
11:00 kf             #info reminder: use summary box when editing wiki pages
11:00 rangi          hmm little issue with 3.12
11:00 jcamins        slef: if I remember, sure.
11:00 slef           jcamins: please could you use the summary box on wiki edits?
11:00 gmcharlt       looks like all of the action items from the previous meeting have been handled
11:00 kf             ew
10:59 slef           kf: 02:00 UTC
10:59 kf             and please someone help to figure out the time correctly
10:59 kf             do we have anything else on the agenda that I missed? or can we set the date for the next meeting?
10:59 wizzyrea       3.12 gonna be the best yet!
10:59 kf             ok, no questions :)
10:58 wizzyrea       jcamins++
10:58 tcohen         jcamins++
10:58 gmcharlt       jcamins++
10:58 bgkriegel      jcamins++
10:58 magnuse        jcamins++
10:58 kf             jcamins++
10:58 jcamins        Any questions?
10:57 * wizzyrea     made sure it would work
10:57 * tcohen       hears voices in his head, saying "unit teeeeestssss"
10:57 oleonard       On the first try even wizzyrea!
10:57 huginn         wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #239 added.
10:57 wizzyrea       @quote add slef: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try!
10:57 jcamins        And that's about it.
10:57 jcamins        As we get closer and closer to release time, I will revert faster and faster, so if you find a blocker, fix it before I do!
10:56 slef           dcook: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try!
10:56 * magnuse      tries to inspire himeself to translate 3.12
10:56 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7740 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Highlight items in own library in search results/detail page in OPAC
10:56 jcamins        I am currently reporting a blocker which will result in the reversion of bug 7740 if it is not fixed with alacrity.
10:56 jcamins        #info String freeze for 3.12 starts May 1
10:56 jcamins        3.12 is on schedule.
10:56 dcook          I offer beer in Reno :p
10:55 jransom        I saw that on twitter - and thus swung on by
10:55 kf             #topic Update 3.12
10:55 tcohen         rangi++
10:55 kf             ok, last
10:55 dcook          Rangi++
10:55 wizzyrea       rangi++ there we go
10:55 magnuse        too true
10:55 * kf           hands wizzyrea an i
10:55 wizzyrea       rang++ many years of hard work, not enough karma in the world to make up for it
10:55 kf             jransom: and now also our next RM :)
10:55 kf             #info 3.8.x and 3.10.x releases on schedule
10:55 gmcharlt       jransom: thanks! :)
10:55 magnuse        rangi++
10:54 jransom        congrats galen yoy miver and shaker you - well deserved
10:54 gmcharlt       rangi++
10:54 kf             rangi++
10:54 rangi          nothing more to add really
10:54 slef           magnuse: (I guessed.)
10:54 rangi          on the 22nd of april
10:54 dcook          Hey jransom. Good to see you again
10:54 rangi          both will be released on time
10:54 magnuse        (slef: the ouch was for the nutty client, not for the unconf, of course)
10:54 rangi          yep
10:54 kf             and hi jransom
10:54 wahanui        thanks kf :)
10:54 kf             wahanui botsnack cookie
10:54 gmcharlt       hi jransom
10:53 wahanui        jransom is the boss at the library that started koha :-)
10:53 cjh            hey jransom
10:53 wizzyrea       hi jransom
10:53 jransom        waves sleepily at everyone :)
10:53 BobB           hi jo!
10:53 wizzyrea       oo fun
10:53 magnuse        slef: ouch!
10:53 kf             ;)
10:53 slef           wizzyrea: we might try to co-host a UK unconference this year. Tips welcome! ;)
10:53 oleonard       Hi jransom
10:53 kf             rangi? still awake?
10:52 kf             #topic Updates on 3.8 and 3.10
10:52 wizzyrea       actually I like unconferences
10:52 dcook          I'm up for presenting something. I just don't know what yet. Something for newbs
10:52 slef           magnuse: comiserations. Pretty sure I won't, as another non-profit client seems to have gone nuts. They just offered to pay like a third of their bill :-/
10:52 kf             ok, I think wemove on now :)
10:52 * wizzyrea     runs away giggling
10:52 wizzyrea       you can always unconference!
10:51 rangi          yep
10:51 kf             yeah, and noone can plan their trip because no program :)
10:51 magnuse        hehe
10:51 rangi          otherwise you get to october and ppl are still procrastinating :)
10:51 tcohen         thanks kf
10:51 wizzyrea       or something.
10:51 kf             yep
10:51 wizzyrea       oleonard: eradicating yui, the bootstrap path to zen.
10:51 rangi          thats why you have to make deadlines
10:51 * magnuse      needs to figure out if he will be able to go to reno or not...
10:51 kf             tcohen: They set a deadline to make it possible to plan, if you are not sure about it, maybe contact Nancy directly?
10:51 rangi          ppl always wait until the last minute tho
10:51 dcook          Hey BobB
10:50 rangi          not many i think around 7 or 8 thd
10:50 BobB           hi dcook
10:50 * oleonard     solicits suggestions for UI/template/frontend presentations they might like to see
10:50 thd            How many presentations have proposed currently?
10:50 tcohen         is that a definitive deadline kf?
10:49 kf             #info only 2 weeks until presentations deadline!
10:49 rangi          etc
10:49 rangi          i know where you live
10:49 rangi          hurry up
10:49 oleonard       Waaay too early for the west coast
10:49 rangi          submit your talks
10:49 wahanui        somebody said 2 weeks was not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so.
10:49 rangi          2 weeks!
10:49 rangi          call for presentations deadline is 15 april
10:49 magnuse        putting_things_on_the_wiki++ :-)
10:49 kf             someone here for kohacon?
10:49 slef           or in our public git
10:49 wizzyrea       cooooool
10:49 slef           nah it's a script I probably ought to put on the wiki now it's stable
10:49 kf             #topic Kohacon2013
10:48 wizzyrea       do you select those by hand?
10:48 slef           so I held off, to hope people will look at them
10:48 kf             and ask for news about kohacon next
10:48 slef           :) next old bugs email in a bit, but rangi suggested a few
10:48 kf             ok, I will mess with the sequence a bit today
10:48 BobB           The new Koha team is awesome!
10:48 kf             #agreed Daniel Grobani to continue as Newsletter Editor
10:47 gmcharlt       danielg++
10:47 magnuse        danielg++
10:47 gmcharlt       none from me
10:47 magnuse        and yeah, more bug wranglers would be good
10:47 wizzyrea       he does fantastic newsletters.
10:47 kf             any objections?
10:47 kf             else... last but not least: Newsletter Editor: Daniel Grobani
10:46 * magnuse      blushes
10:46 kf             magnuse++
10:46 wizzyrea       magnuse++
10:46 gmcharlt       magnuse++
10:46 kf             do we have some other last minute candidates? :)
10:46 kf             #agreed Magnus Enger is Bug Wrangler for 3.14
10:46 tcohen         magnuse++
10:46 wizzyrea       sorry that was kind of random.
10:45 gmcharlt       slef++
10:45 kf             and no objections about magnuse
10:45 kf             wizzyrea: I agree! slef++ for those
10:45 gmcharlt       no objections
10:45 rangi          no objections
10:45 * wizzyrea     really appreciates slef's emails about bugs to check
10:45 * gmcharlt     removes magnuse's wiki editing privileges for now ;)
10:45 kf             any objections?
10:45 drojf          yay, last bug wrangler standing
10:45 kf             Bug Wrangler: magnuse
10:45 kf             ok 2 more to go people
10:44 drojf          that did not really happen with the last dvd manager i think
10:44 sekjal         drojf: agreed
10:44 drojf          sekjal: it would be cool if that someone would frequent the irc though
10:44 kf             #action ask on mailing list for details about roles of live cd/dvd manager and vm manager
10:43 wizzyrea       and the canonical VM
10:43 wizzyrea       also I think it should be understood that this person is in charge of the canonical live CD/DVD
10:43 kf             #agreed VM Manager: Samuel Desseaux
10:43 kf             #agreed Live CD/DVD Manager: Nguyen Quoc Uy
10:43 wizzyrea       ^
10:43 kf             ok, so no objections, I am starting to type the agreeds :)
10:43 sekjal         it'd be really good to have someone responsible for keeping the Koha Live CD/DVDs up to date
10:43 gmcharlt       +1 to ask for details, but no need to postpone
10:43 magnuse        nah
10:42 wizzyrea       naw
10:42 jcamins        No.
10:42 drojf          jcamins: ok. i won't stop anyone from doing that
10:42 kf             do we want to postpone the discussion and ask for proposals?
10:42 paul_p         sorry, but I have to leave now to grab some food for lunch before an important meeting. se ya !
10:42 jcamins        "the VM" as in "a demo VM that includes Koha."
10:42 kf             so we think both are valid - do we have objections?
10:42 jcamins        drojf: I suspect no one is sure what the roles were for, since the people who added them in 3.10 never showed up to explain.
10:42 drojf          jcamins: "the VM" as in "the official Koha VM"?
10:41 magnuse        what he said
10:41 jcamins        I think the idea is that the VM manager is responsible for packaging the VM, and the live CD is manager is responsible for packaging the live cd/dvd, which require different tools, skillsets, and possibly configurations.
10:41 drojf          it wouldn't hurt to give a short description of the role if it is newly introduced, i think
10:41 tcohen         different things
10:41 * magnuse      imagines the vm manager making vm "images" that can be downloaded and loaded into e.g. virtualbox
10:40 wizzyrea       if they are willing to do it, I'm willing to let them
10:40 drojf          *vm
10:40 jcamins        I believe so, yes.
10:40 drojf          i wanted to ask... what is a avm manager?
10:40 rangi          no objections, but i am not sure what those roles are supposed to do :)
10:40 kf             hm question from me - are those really different things?
10:39 kf             ok, live cd and vm manager
10:39 wizzyrea       hehehe
10:39 drojf          lol rangi
10:39 rangi          ah thats why mine didnt work, i got in a recursive loop
10:39 kf             #agreed Robin Sheat named as Packaging Manager 3.14
10:38 wizzyrea       kek
10:38 drojf          any objection is considered volunteering :P
10:38 kf             no objections from me, eythian++
10:38 wizzyrea       well you're all the best.
10:38 gmcharlt       no objections
10:38 wizzyrea       he's the best, no objections.
10:38 rangi          nope
10:38 kf             any objections?
10:37 kf             packaging manager: Robin Sheat /eythian
10:37 kf             #agreed Release Maintainers will be: Tomás Cohen Arazi (3.12.x), Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel (3.10.x) and Chris Hall (3.8.x)
10:37 kf             cjh: don't think about it!
10:37 bgkriegel      :)
10:37 drojf          i won't object if i get cookies
10:37 wizzyrea       only if they are partner related
10:37 paul_p         except, maybe : welcome south-america ;-)
10:36 cjh            wizzyrea: do all objections get cookies?
10:36 tcohen         cookies wizzyrea
10:36 wizzyrea       and... um.... gah I don't know what she likes. Flowers?
10:36 paul_p         none from me as well
10:36 rangi          none from me
10:36 wizzyrea       i mean, really? tell her we will send her um........ cookies and... fudge
10:36 magnuse        lol from me
10:35 jcamins        lol
10:35 gmcharlt       none from me
10:35 bgkriegel      ouch
10:35 wizzyrea       lol tcohen
10:35 jcamins        None from me.
10:35 tcohen         my gf objects
10:35 kf             very glad to see so many first timers myself!
10:35 kf             ok, so I am asking for all of them - any objections?
10:34 gmcharlt       no objection to voting on the RMaints all at once
10:33 kf             rangi: you will have to try very hard to make that happen :)
10:33 wizzyrea       by yourself!
10:33 kf             noe we can move on to the release maintainers, can we do them in bulk?
10:33 paul_p         lol
10:33 rangi          i think im the only person to get fired from QA
10:33 kf             hope no typos :)
10:33 kf             #agreed Marcel de Rooy, Chris Cormack, Jonathan Druart, Brendan Gallagher, Mason James, Paul Poulain and Kyle M Hall are going to be the QA team for 3.14
10:33 cjh            bag++ khall++ first timers :)
10:32 kf             ok, let me type that then
10:32 rangi          seriously tho, no objections
10:32 * kf           hopes for a bright future with short QA queues :)
10:32 alohabot       Hi mib_5x4kfi, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
10:32 drojf          thx :)
10:31 kf             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14
10:31 cjh            drojf: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14
10:31 drojf          anyone got a wiki link for me?
10:31 wizzyrea       it's a sad state to be in if you find yourself objectionable.
10:31 rangi          dang
10:31 jcamins        Nice try.
10:31 kf             rangi: your objection is marked invalid
10:31 cjh            yeah, I hear he is pretty sloppy with QA.
10:31 rangi          cept that chris guy, i object to him
10:31 kf             any objections?
10:31 kf             totally awesome
10:30 cjh            the proposed QA team looks awesome
10:30 magnuse        hackfest_every_month++
10:30 kf             ok, quickly moving on - quality assurance team!
10:30 magnuse        kf++
10:30 gmcharlt       cait++ # and since you're really two people, we get twice the work! ;)
10:30 tcohen         kf++
10:30 kf             thx :)
10:30 drojf          kf++
10:30 wizzyrea       kf++
10:30 gmcharlt       kf++
10:30 gmcharlt       #info Katrin Fischer continuing on as QAM for Koha
10:30 * gmcharlt     calls it
10:29 cjh            kf++ keep up the magic
10:29 kf             a week of hackfest certainly helped there - sadly there is not one every month :)
10:29 sekjal         kf++
10:29 wizzyrea       for reals we'd be mad to object.
10:29 magnuse        indeed!
10:29 wizzyrea       ikr!
10:29 rangi          who could object after 101 passed qa in march !
10:28 gmcharlt       any objections to kf's proposal to continue as QAM?
10:28 kf             thx gmcharlt
10:28 * gmcharlt     jumps in
10:27 wahanui        bonjour, drojf
10:27 drojf          hi
10:27 drojf          hu kf :)
10:27 drojf          #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, late
10:27 kf             morning drojf ;)
10:27 kf             ok, next is QAM
10:26 thd            wizzyrea rangi++
10:26 gmcharlt       ^^ this this
10:25 wizzyrea       ^ this
10:25 rangi          so lets try and have her manage, not have to write everythign too
10:25 wizzyrea       yep, super ez
10:25 gmcharlt       nengard++
10:25 rangi          but its super easy for anyone else to do whenever they are looking at kohastructure.sql too
10:25 tcohen         nengard++
10:25 cjh            wizzyrea++ good spot
10:25 rangi          no objections to nicole doing it
10:25 jcamins        We can go ahead and vote.
10:25 kf             #agreed Nicole Engard elected for Database Documentation Manager 3.14
10:25 * kf           assumes
10:24 gmcharlt       jcamins++
10:24 wizzyrea       jcamins++
10:24 kf             #action add to coding guidelines: devs have to document changes to the database schema
10:24 rangi          cool
10:24 jcamins        Fixing that now.
10:24 jcamins        *missing
10:24 jcamins        Huh. It's msising.
10:24 wizzyrea       that.
10:24 kf             we can put it in the coding guidelines
10:24 wizzyrea       i mean formalise that.
10:24 jcamins        Don't we?
10:24 kf             most do
10:24 rangi          yep
10:24 wizzyrea       aside, I feel like we should make a rule that the dev who adds a new column be required to add the doc for it.
10:23 rangi          ie, nengard is catching up
10:23 rangi          which is good
10:23 rangi          that role should be decreasing
10:23 slef           binary search for objections? ;-)
10:23 kf             samuel++ mtj++ from me too
10:23 kf             should have done that with the other :)
10:23 samuel         :-)
10:22 kf             next is database documentation manager - nicole again
10:22 gmcharlt       samuel++
10:22 gmcharlt       mtj++
10:22 kf             want to get this moving :)
10:22 wizzyrea       mtj++ samuel++
10:22 kf             #agreed Mason James and Samuel Desseaux will be Installation Documentation Managers for 3.14
10:22 gmcharlt       +1
10:22 kf             ok, i suggest we make them share the load then ;)
10:22 kf             :)
10:22 magnuse        yup
10:22 rangi          i have no objections to however they figure out they want to do it :) itd be good to get it done though
10:21 gmcharlt       likewise
10:21 magnuse        yeah, we can force him to share
10:21 jcamins        I had understood that mtj's intention was sharing the role.
10:21 kf             I think common practice so far was sharing the role
10:21 wizzyrea       he was here just a bit ago!
10:21 kf             hm bit difficult as mtj is not here
10:20 thd            wizzyrea: yes, manager and "will help"
10:20 magnuse        yay
10:20 kf             mtj: ping?
10:20 samuel         no problem for me to share :-)
10:20 thd            wizzyrea: yes
10:20 magnuse        do they want to share?
10:19 wizzyrea       they are sharing the role?
10:19 jcamins        None from me.
10:19 kf             any objections?
10:19 kf             Samuel Desseaux /samuel and Mason James /mtj
10:19 kf             nengard++ :)
10:18 wizzyrea       nengard++ druthb++
10:18 kf             ok, next we have 2 candidates for installation documentation manager
10:18 gmcharlt       nengard++
10:18 kf             please stop me when I am too fast :)
10:18 kf             #agreed Nicole Engard is reelected for Documentation Manager
10:18 tcohen         gmcharlt++ and druthb_away++ (sorry, not-enough coffe lag)
10:18 slef           no objection to nengard... glad she continues
10:17 tcohen         heh
10:17 slef           No objection BTW. I'm curious about the translation infrastructure, but that's going on in email.
10:17 kf             any objections to that? :)
10:17 oleonard       I thought she was elected for life
10:17 kf             and druthb++ :)
10:17 kf             next is Nicole Engard /nengard for documentation manager :)
10:17 rangi          yay!
10:17 gmcharlt       druthb++
10:17 slef           wizzyrea: although members can plead net.fun later
10:17 magnuse        yay!
10:17 kf             #agreed D Ruth Bavousett is elected Translation Manager for 3.14
10:16 slef           wizzyrea: the co-op's rough practice has been 1 minute of silence
10:16 slef           wizzyrea: yeah, but IRC lags.
10:16 rangi          1 min is a good time
10:16 wizzyrea       i think if someone is objecting they'd do it quickly.
10:16 rangi          heh
10:16 magnuse        ?
10:16 magnuse        done
10:16 magnuse           1
10:16 magnuse           2
10:16 magnuse           3
10:16 rangi          no objections from here
10:16 slef           kf: 1 minute IMO
10:16 magnuse        maybe a countdown?
10:16 kf             I think the problem with the objectiosn is that I am not sure how long to wait :)
10:16 gmcharlt       no
10:16 kf             any objections?
10:15 alohabot       Hi mib_4fnx1g, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
10:15 kf             druthb / D Ruth Bavousett has offered to continue
10:15 kf             next is translation manager
10:14 cjh            hahaha
10:14 jcamins        Amen.
10:14 kf             good luck :)
10:14 tcohen         heh
10:14 magnuse        hehe
10:14 rangi          may god have mercy on his soul
10:14 magnuse        woohoo!
10:14 gmcharlt       thanks everybody; I shall endeavor to repay your trust
10:14 kf             #agreed Galen Charlton is declared Release Manager 3.14
10:14 wizzyrea       yes, very happy you are volunteering, thank you (and your wife. And your cats.)
10:14 paul_p         no objection as well
10:13 kf             yep, no objections, happy we have you volunteering
10:13 cjh            gmcharlt++ very well written proposal
10:13 wizzyrea       speak now or forever hold your peace
10:13 rangi          :-)
10:13 rangi          if you object you have to do it
10:13 slef           no
10:13 * wizzyrea     either
10:13 rangi          heh
10:13 * oleonard     wouldn't dare
10:13 kf             are there any objections?
10:13 kf             right
10:13 sekjal         #info Ian Walls, former QAM
10:12 rangi          probably too late for questions? that was last meeting?
10:12 paul_p         sorry for being a little bit late
10:12 paul_p         #info paul Poulain BibLibre, France
10:12 kf             are there questions about his proposal?
10:12 clrh           #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre, France
10:12 kf             we have gmcharlt as candidate for release manager
10:12 kf             ok, let's start with the most important role
10:11 cjh            sounds perfect.
10:11 gmcharlt       kf: 'tis fine
10:11 kf             hope it sounds about right :)
10:11 kf             was not sure how to prhase that
10:11 gmcharlt       #info http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14
10:11 kf             #agreed we will ask for objections, if none, the candidate is elected
10:10 kf             #topic Roles for 3.14
10:10 magnuse        sure
10:10 tajoli         yes, for me
10:10 Franziska      fine with me
10:10 rangi          fine by me
10:10 thd            #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:09 kf             question: shoudl we do the elections first?
10:09 tcohen         #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, UNC, Argentina
10:08 Joubu          #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France
10:08 Franziska      #info Franziska Wallner, The American University of Rome
10:08 BobB           #info Bob Birchall, Calyx
10:08 cjh            #info Chris Hall, Catalyst It, New Zealand
10:08 wizzyrea       #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT
10:08 stefano_b      #info Stefano Bargioni, Pontificia Università della Santa Croce - Rome
10:08 bgkriegel      #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina
10:08 Joubu          #u
10:08 ColinC         #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd.
10:08 gmcharlt       #info Galen Charlton, Equinox Software, USA
10:08 magnuse        #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:08 rangi          #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT
10:08 kf             #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
10:08 jcamins        #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM for 3.12
10:08 oleonard       #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
10:08 kf             oh #info
10:08 tajoli         #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA - Italy
10:08 slef           #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England
10:08 kf             please introduce yourself with #intro
10:07 wahanui        #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
10:07 kf             #topic Introductions
10:07 kf             welcome all
10:07 huginn         The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_meeting'
10:07 huginn         Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
10:07 huginn         Meeting started Wed Apr  3 10:04:26 2013 UTC.  The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:07 kf             #startmeeting Koha IRC Meeting
10:07 wahanui        i already had it that way, huginn.
10:07 huginn         kf: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'
10:07 wahanui        if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
10:07 kf             #startmeeting
10:07 kf             I am going to start the meeting now
10:07 rangi          there are none that we have decide btween people
10:07 samuel         +1
10:07 kf             but not so many +1 :)
10:07 gmcharlt       +1
10:07 kf             it will be faster
10:06 magnuse        +1
10:06 kf             we can do that
10:06 jcamins        I think that is a good idea.
10:06 rangi          and if none, its done
10:06 rangi          why dont we just ask for objections for each role
10:06 rangi          seeing there are no contentious positions
10:06 slef           kf: thing to do is to try to give a safe space for objections to be addressed.
10:06 BobB           hi #koha
10:06 oleonard       In America we don't repeat the vote until consensus, we repeat the campaign until all give up
10:06 BobB           hi magnuse
10:06 kf             so chairing... should I try? or does someone else want to?
10:06 slef           kf: nah, seems to work.
10:06 magnuse        consensus by exhaustion :-)
10:05 kf             that sounds tirening
10:05 magnuse        kia ora BobB
10:05 slef           repeat the vote until all agree or give up
10:04 slef           to build consensus
10:04 slef           the co-op uses a fork of it a lot
10:04 gmcharlt       slef++ # beat me to it
10:04 slef           voting is http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html
10:04 slef           http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html
10:04 kf             gmcharlt showed me last time, maybe
10:04 huginn         slef: [10:00:32] <slef> huginn: last --regex /meetbot-ci/ --nolimit
10:04 slef           huginn: last --regex /meetbot/ --nolimit
10:03 huginn         slef: I suck
10:03 slef           huginn: you suck
10:03 wizzyrea       is it in the log?
10:03 huginn         slef: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages.
10:03 slef           huginn: last --regex /meetbot-ci/ --nolimit
10:03 * cjh          thought slef was making a joke
10:03 kf             it's on my other computer and I guess we will need it
10:03 kf             gmcharlt: where was the link to the voting thing?
10:03 kf             oh
10:03 slef           oh. badgers.
10:03 oleonard       I have no idea what you just said slef
10:03 wizzyrea       badgers or badges?
10:02 cjh            heh
10:02 slef           oleonard: yeah, they're culling them around here, blaming them for spreading bovine TB
10:02 * gmcharlt     nominates everyone not present for bug wrangler
10:02 oleonard       We don't need no stinkin' badges
10:01 magnuse        what she said!
10:01 kf             so if someone feels liking signing up for bug wrangler right now... there still is time :)
10:00 kf             oh right
10:00 rangi          3 mins left?
10:00 cjh            \o/
10:00 kf             ok, now that I am less grumpy, shoudl we start the meeting? :)
10:00 * kf           got her bookmarks back!
09:59 kf             it was a server side problem, quite sure
09:59 wizzyrea       but you are all right of course. it's probably not a bad clone, he is probably looking at the wrong koha-conf
09:59 kf             I think it's just something missing in that installation
09:59 kf             as I have run into the problem ages ago
09:57 cjh            wizzyrea: a blanket sounds amazing.
09:57 * jcamins      gives gmcharlt his share of wizzyrea's coffee.
09:57 cjh            wizzyrea: it is possible, but it would affect all of us (when we did a fetch things would yell and scream)
09:57 huginn         gmcharlt: Quote #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe" (added by kf at 08:45 AM, September 13, 2010)
09:57 gmcharlt       @quote random
09:56 kf             i think more likely to be missing something else
09:56 wizzyrea       that's probably better.
09:56 wizzyrea       or I'll just shut up.
09:56 wizzyrea       right but we wouldn't know that was happening until we started seeing bad clones.
09:56 kf             wizzyrea: :)
09:56 * wizzyrea     sighs
09:55 cjh            wizzyrea: they were using --mirror and had disc corruption, so they were mirroring the corruption.
09:55 rangi          wizzyrea: that was disk corruption propogated by mirroring ... not quite the same thing :)
09:55 * wizzyrea     hands out snuggly blankies and tea for the oceaneans
09:55 cjh            its 11pm here, which turns out is far past my bed time...
09:55 * wizzyrea     recalls the KDE story
09:55 rangi          thd: its not likely to be a bad clone
09:55 kf             yay :)
09:54 * wizzyrea     passes out food for the europeans
09:54 cjh            thd: it should be quite hard for a git clone to be subtly broken
09:54 * kf           is mising lunch ;)
09:54 * wizzyrea     passes out coffee for the north americans
09:53 kf             oh there is jcamins :)
09:53 kf             someone marc savvy around? I look for a field to store norm numbers.. (din and iso standard numbers)
09:53 * jcamins      straggles in groggily.
09:53 thd            Does git not have checks to prevent a bad clone?
09:53 magnuse        ...if that is what you called it
09:52 wizzyrea       koha-dev/etc
09:52 wizzyrea       good point, you'd need to use the kohaconf in your koha-dev directory
09:52 rangi          i think your koha-conf.xml is messed up, or you are pointing at the wrong one
09:51 rangi          that is the path of a package/tarball install
09:51 samuel         wizzyrea: thank you for the link
09:51 rangi          /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en wont exist
09:51 rangi          well if you did a dev install
09:51 wizzyrea       :)
09:51 wizzyrea       hi bgkriegel
09:51 bgkriegel      hi all
09:50 wizzyrea       perhaps a bad clone?
09:50 kf             but wasn't able to resolve, t worked when I reinstalled that test machine
09:49 kf             had this happening to me ages ago
09:49 wizzyrea       I always use the instructions here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
09:48 samuel         without the 'p' option, i 've this "readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 59. readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 87. /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/: Input must be a file or directory. (Symbolic links are not supported at the moment) Try `/home/koha/misc/translator/tmpl_process3
09:48 wizzyrea       leave off the p and see if it goes better.
09:48 wizzyrea       not 5 seconds ago, and agrees with rangi
09:47 * wizzyrea     just read it
09:47 rangi          you almost certainly don't want that in this case
09:47 rangi          is what the help says
09:46 rangi          updated.
09:46 rangi          With -p option, only preferences .po file is
09:46 samuel         ok, i will try but when you do ./translate --help, you find this command
09:46 wizzyrea       or why are you using it?
09:46 wizzyrea       samuel, what do you think -p does?
09:46 kf             me neither
09:46 * wizzyrea     has never used -p
09:45 cjh            "Koha directories hierarchy for fr-FR must be created f" I guess that ends in 'first', does that mean you have to create the lang first?
09:45 kf             why -p?
09:45 samuel         it's the first time i've this problem
09:45 samuel         ./translate -p install fr-FR
09:44 kf             i mean which command produces the problem :)
09:44 kf             what did you type to install?
09:44 wahanui        i guess -p is 'prompt for password'
09:44 wizzyrea       -p?
09:44 wizzyrea       =p?
09:44 samuel         3.11.00.200
09:43 samuel         i choose dev install
09:43 kf             which version did you install?
09:43 kf             hm haven't seen that in a while
09:43 samuel         short question: i've installed koha by git (first time) and i've a problem to install french language. I've the following error :"./translate -p install fr-FR readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 59. readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 87. Koha directories hierarchy for fr-FR must be created f
09:42 magnuse        hi samuel
09:42 samuel         hi everybody :-)
09:39 mtj            kia ora magnuse and all
09:39 magnuse        community++
09:38 magnuse        kia ora mtj
09:38 mtj            haaay, interesting -> http://openlibrary.org/community
09:37 magnuse        guess we wished hard enough then
09:37 wizzyrea       :D
09:37 wahanui        hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
09:37 wizzyrea       oleonard!
09:36 tajoli         Hi all
09:36 magnuse        hiya tajoli
09:36 magnuse        kf: sounds nice :-)
09:34 kf             and I can access internet websites now
09:34 kf             i am here
09:33 oleonard       But yeah, it's early *yawn*
09:33 oleonard       Normal time for me to be up, just early to be here :)
09:33 magnuse        early morning? ;-)
09:33 magnuse        and kia ora oleonard!
09:33 magnuse        yay, kf came back
09:32 magnuse        oh noes, kf come back!
08:58 kf             yeah rangi++ for that
08:51 * magnuse      thinks "wave at" sounds too violent
08:51 * magnuse      waves to kf
08:51 magnuse        rangi++ for the separate numbers for bugs on http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
08:50 * kf           waves
08:49 magnuse        election time!
08:48 rangi          yep
08:46 magnuse        http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440&iso=20130403T10&msg=Koha%20IRC%20General%20Meeting thinks so too
08:46 magnuse        wizzyrea: yeah, i think so
08:44 wizzyrea       1:20 to meeting right?
08:43 * wizzyrea     waves
08:20 magnuse        that sounds awesome
08:20 magnuse        rangi++
08:09 cjh            searching for alkido worked for me, google 'did you mean' has your back :)
08:09 rangi          i meant aldiko
08:08 cjh            and it is progress
08:08 rangi          so wouldnt be hard to tidy up
08:08 rangi          but it took me 2 hours
08:08 rangi          its pretty rough
08:08 cjh            rangi: awesome work
08:07 cjh            kf: congrats :) / badluck :(
08:07 rangi          it can consume those feeds
08:07 rangi          if you have alkido or calibre or stuff like that
08:07 kf             got internet, lost all my bookmarks :(
08:07 * kf           waves
08:07 rangi          like alkido
08:06 cjh            that would make wrapping a discovery layer (or whatever they call those these days) over the top really easy
08:06 rangi          then there are apps that can consume that
08:06 rangi          and it will pull out the ones that have ebooks
08:06 rangi          but the idea is any search you can get in opds format
08:05 rangi          its pretty rough
08:05 rangi          yay
08:05 wahanui        nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
08:05 rangi          nothing
08:05 cjh            now the first url gives me text \o/
08:05 cjh            what did you do?
08:05 cjh            fixed
08:04 rangi          hehe
08:04 rangi          or http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
08:04 rangi          or http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=young+knowledge+the+poems
08:04 cjh            same error
08:04 rangi          how about that?
08:04 rangi          http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=young%20knowledge%20the%20poems&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2
08:04 rangi          how odd
08:03 cjh            I get that error in both chromium and firefox (tried ff as it shouldnt have a cache or *anything*)
08:03 rangi          yep, wfm
08:03 cjh            http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=young%20knowledge%20the%20poems&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=opds
08:02 rangi          weird
08:02 rangi          not getting that error
08:02 rangi          hmm really
08:02 rangi          http://opds-spec.org/about/
08:02 rangi          following this spec
08:01 cjh            Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /home/chris/git/koha.git/opac/opac-search.pl line 732.
08:01 cjh            that link gives me an error
08:01 rangi          http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=young%20knowledge%20the%20poems&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=opds
08:01 rangi          which produces this
08:01 rangi          https://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commit/356eaf610ece6a690e40f43395cb38a3992b214d
08:01 rangi          so i did this
07:38 viktorsarge_   (test)
07:17 bamalik        what means by federated search?
07:17 cjh            is that like federated search?
07:16 bamalik        imagine that two libraraies have their own catalogues on seperate servers in different cities and i want to make a union catalogue
07:14 quocuy         rangi
07:14 cait-m_        hmm
07:12 bamalik        can you differerentiate b/w  centralized union catalogue and  virtual union catalogue,
07:08 quocuy         me, too :)
07:07 rangi          o
07:07 rangi          bamalik: i still have no idea what you are actually trying to d
07:06 bamalik        rangi: what type of info
07:05 quocuy         now i'm using 1 installation, create lots of Koha site, setup new databases, not good for my poor VPS
07:05 gaetan_B       hello
07:04 quocuy         it's such a new thing, if can, i'm really happy with this
07:04 quocuy         rangi, is there a guide to help me rewrite rules in apache?
07:03 rangi          i mean a lot
07:03 rangi          bamalik: no, you would have to provide a lot more info
07:02 rangi          nope you can do it with rewrite rules in apache quocuy
07:02 quocuy         morning francharb
07:02 quocuy         how can we change Opac (header, footer) for each branch library? impossible now, i think
07:02 bamalik        thanks rangi, any idea about development
07:01 francharb      good morning #koha
07:01 rangi          hmm no you can achieve that with one koha
07:01 quocuy         i think he wants to have different OPAC for 2 libraries, so he had to use 2 installation of Koha
07:00 rangi          second option you will have to do some development to achieve
07:00 rangi          bamalik: first one is easy, you just set up branches
06:58 quocuy         i chat with him yesterday
06:57 quocuy         thanks rangi
06:57 rangi          quocuy: jcamins is the current release manager, so he is a good one to ask about 3.12 it all depends on what you want to know
06:57 quocuy         i'm not mean that leader, miss word
06:56 quocuy         sorry
06:56 quocuy         haha
06:56 bamalik        other is vurtual union catalogue is a decentralized, electronically accessible catalogue through network based on the ip of distant system.
06:55 rangi          magnus_meeting: heya :)
06:55 rangi          quocuy: and if you want to ask about any of the features he added, then certainly chris_n is a good one to ask, however he is most likely asleep now since he is in the east coast of the USA
06:54 bamalik        thanks, i want to make a union catalogue of our two campsus libraries. one is centralized union catalogue, which contains catalogues of different libraires in the same system
06:54 magnus_meeting kia ora rangi!
06:53 rangi          quocuy: there isn't a 'leader' of koha, chris_n certainly contributes a lot and was the release maintainer for a couple of releases
06:51 cait           bbl
06:49 magnuse        bamalik: i thnk you need to explain a bit more about what you actually want to achieve with that
06:48 bamalik        hi any body on the channel,  I intends to create a virtual union catalogue using koha, any help?
06:47 magnuse        s/nopw/nope/
06:46 wahanui        OK, magnuse.
06:46 magnuse        wahanui: nopw, it is not
06:46 christophe_c   hello magnuse
06:46 wahanui        the snow is probably thawing :)
06:46 magnuse        and the snow
06:46 magnuse        yup
06:46 reiveune       salut magnuse :)
06:46 sophie_m       back to Norway ?
06:46 sophie_m       hi magnuse
06:46 magnuse        bonjour christophe_c sophie_m reiveune
06:44 bamalik        hi chris_n
06:44 quocuy         ok, i don't know about this :), ask chris_n, he's leader
06:42 bamalik        there is method of virtual union catalogue by YAZ client or something
06:41 wahanui        bidet, reiveune
06:41 reiveune       hello
06:41 bamalik        sorry, perhaps i don't choose proper terms
06:40 quocuy         are u trying to create a branch library?
06:39 quocuy         so i don't understand about add libraries with ip address, why do u want to do that?
06:39 quocuy         wait, u told me that u are using 2 libraries with 2 installation
06:39 bamalik        i made a lot of search on internet, but not hands-on help
06:37 bamalik        no, add libraries in koha administration module with ip address
06:35 quocuy         so u have to copy them from one to one?
06:34 bamalik        two installations of koha
06:32 cait           yes
06:31 quocuy         Ah, today evening (in russian-i mean), will we meet here?
06:31 wahanui        well, not is maybe removed from my search
06:31 quocuy         or not?
06:30 quocuy         bamalik are they using 1 installation of Koha
06:30 christophe_c   hello #koha
06:30 quocuy         sorry
06:30 quocuy         here
06:28 dcook          All right. Time to go, me thinks. I might be here in spirit later for the meeting...
06:27 bamalik        Hi quocuy, are there?
06:25 bamalik        virtual union catalogue means a opac of two or more libraries in different citities
06:24 quocuy         first time i hear that
06:24 quocuy         what do u mean? virtual union catalogue
06:24 bamalik        I intends to create virtual union catalogue using koha, any help?
06:24 quocuy         yesterday we met, right wahanui
06:23 wahanui        hola, quocuy
06:23 quocuy         hi
06:23 bamalik        hi
06:21 dcook          It would be great if Koha supported EAD and other metadata formats though...
06:20 dcook          Amazing how the "new" features of III's Sierra seem to be fairly old features in Koha...
06:18 dcook          True true ;)
06:18 cait           wewill have to wait to find out how it works
06:18 dcook          Which...makes some sense theoretically
06:18 dcook          From what I've seen of Kuali OLE, it looks like they're trying to be a metadata and file repository
06:18 cait           well here it is
06:17 dcook          I'm not sure that they are making that distinction
06:17 dcook          But is it?
06:16 cait           what they are asking about is how to handle their ebooks and ejournals that they only have in databases and not really the files to store
06:16 cait           I think
06:16 cait           repositories
06:16 cait           that's something different again :)
06:16 dcook          DSpace and Koha seem to work pretty well together
06:16 dcook          Personally, I rather see multiple platforms working together...
06:15 dcook          hehe :p
06:15 dcook          That's another thing...records management is so totally different from regular collection management
06:15 cait           maybe we should have one. it will show a picture of a cat.
06:15 dcook          It could have a few different meanings
06:14 dcook          Yeah, that sounds about the same
06:14 cait           yep
06:14 cait           resources
06:14 cait           and noone can explain to me, what it shoudl be doing exactly
06:14 dcook          erm as in electronic records management?
06:14 cait           it's like everyone is asking for erm
06:14 dcook          Agreed
06:14 cait           dcook: i think that's one of the problems
06:13 dcook          Or even what they mean by "digital collection"
06:13 dcook          But I'm not seeing anything about how an "LSP" would help manage digital collections
06:13 dcook          I think they have a point when they say that the ILS was created around the idea of managing print collections
06:11 dcook          http://www.niso.org/apps/group_public/download.php/9922/FE_Grant_Future_Library_Systems_%20isqv24no4.pdf
06:06 alohabot       Hi mib_ojw8sb, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
06:06 cait           aha
06:05 * magnuse      too
06:05 * dcook        sighs
06:05 magnuse        yup
06:04 magnuse        LSP is Library Services Platform
06:04 dcook          library services platform?
06:04 cait           lsp?
06:02 magnuse        ooh, wow the big BIBSYS rfp is out, they are not looking for an ILS but an LSP
06:02 magnuse        hehe, guess that might look like plastic explosives on a scanner...
06:01 cait           apparently that looks very suspicious
06:01 cait           my bag got searched each airport on the way back...
06:01 cait           from scotland in my backpack
06:01 cait           when I had the fudge
06:01 dcook          I imagine that means a lot of security people just waved me through most of the time
06:00 dcook          After a 3 month backpacking trip through Europe, I had an airport security person tell me that they actually couldn't detect whether my metal water bottle had liquid or not inside
06:00 magnuse        the interesting thing was when i went through security in nice i forgot i had a half-a-liter bottle of water in the baby bag - and they did not complain about it!
05:59 cait           glad you made it
05:59 magnuse        yeah, or the day after
05:57 cait           you wil laugh about it tomorrow, maybe :)
05:57 dcook          Couldn't have possibly been for a baby
05:57 cait           baby food.
05:56 magnuse        checking for traces of explosives, i think?
05:56 magnuse        they swabbed(?) it
05:56 magnuse        well i did have some very suspicious baby food in a bag
05:55 cait           smuggle food?
05:55 cait           what did you do?
05:55 magnuse        cait: yup, in oslo
05:55 magnuse        *and had to sit there for 20 minutes before the plane took off*
05:54 magnuse        and then we got on board
05:54 magnuse        and elin ran ahead to the gate and was told, i'f your husband is not here in 2 minutes you will loose the plane
05:54 cait           crazy.
05:54 cait           inoslo?
05:54 magnuse        and i was held up a bit by security
05:53 dcook          O_O
05:53 magnuse        but then we had to run like crazy
05:53 magnuse        then we asked someone else at the very last minute and then we DID get to jump the queue
05:53 cjh            wow
05:53 magnuse        and we were told there was no jumping the queue to catch the plane, we would just have to loose it
05:52 magnuse        and it was barely moving
05:52 magnuse        yeah, we were put in a transfer queue when we were chekcing in again at OSL
05:52 cait           had problems with the flights?
05:52 cait           oh
05:50 magnuse        so patient
05:50 magnuse        and leonard was amazing
05:49 magnuse        so it's all water under the bridge now
05:49 magnuse        but we got home almost ontime
05:49 magnuse        um, no
05:49 cait           had a good trip back home?
05:49 magnuse        kia ora cait!
05:48 cait           welcome back magnuse :)
05:48 magnuse        according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bod%C3%B8
05:48 magnuse        um 67°18′20″N 14°32′57″E
05:47 dcook          What's the latitude of Bodo?
05:46 dcook          Mmm, right. I should check to see if my phone's IRC client times out...
05:46 magnuse        and we have lots of light now
05:46 magnuse        dcook: hope so! :-)
05:46 magnuse        ah, meeting in 4 hours 16 minutes http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440&iso=20130403T10&msg=Koha%20IRC%20General%20Meeting
05:46 dcook          You'll have spring soon though!
05:46 dcook          hehe
05:46 magnuse        yeah yeah, rub it in ;-)
05:45 huginn         dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 18.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 03, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
05:45 dcook          @wunder Sydney Australia
05:45 magnuse        s/Light Snow/snow storm/
05:45 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on April 03, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
05:45 magnuse        @wunder boo
05:45 magnuse        :-)
05:43 * dcook        waves to the snowman
05:42 * magnuse      tries to waves but is drowning in snow
05:26 cait           hey dcook
05:26 * dcook        waves to cait
04:25 * dcook        goes back to work
04:25 dcook          Signing off is addictive!
04:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page
04:24 dcook          If oleonard fixes up bug 9887 soon, that could be 3 or 4 down relatively quickly as well
04:23 dcook          Down to just 23!
04:23 * dcook        wants to keep testing and signing off on bugs, but other work to do...
04:21 dcook          wizzyrea: I feel your pain
04:02 wizzyrea       hey I didn't even have to contribute to the awesome jar.
04:02 wizzyrea       I know!
04:00 ibeardslee     awesome with not just a capitial O, but with all caps
03:59 ibeardslee     but that would be awesome wouldn't it?
03:58 ibeardslee     heh
03:55 wizzyrea       pout face.
03:55 eythian        ah
03:55 wizzyrea       and I was sad.
03:55 cjh            lol
03:55 wizzyrea       but it was a prank
03:55 wizzyrea       it was that george takei was going to be in the star wars reboot thingie.
03:55 wizzyrea       no.
03:55 eythian        oh, or was it that google is releasing Google Nose?
03:54 eythian        it's against the rules
03:54 eythian        wizzyrea: you can't do that
03:54 wahanui        Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot.
03:54 wizzyrea       never mind.
03:54 wizzyrea       :(
03:54 wizzyrea       i hate this time of year.
03:54 wizzyrea       oh wait
03:54 wizzyrea       and i have to share it
03:53 wizzyrea       i just read something AWESOME
03:29 wizzyrea       ya sorry :) my client doesn't ping for "wiz"
03:28 mtj            hey wiz, about?
03:25 rangi          heh
03:25 rangi          `/ws 15
03:21 * wizzyrea     nods
03:21 wahanui        well, wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
03:21 wizzyrea       wizzyrea?
03:21 bag            heh
03:20 wahanui        I LIKE BASEBALL
03:20 bag            bag?
03:20 bag            ok enough about baseball
03:20 bag            I saw an unassited triple play to end a baseball game in queens - that has only happened twice :P
03:20 cjh            heh
03:20 wahanui        I watch you sleep.
03:20 jcamins        Good night.
03:20 bag            also another one is an unassited triple play - about as rare as the perfect game
03:20 jcamins        Bed time, methinks.
03:20 jcamins        Hm.
03:19 bag            but they use metal bats
03:19 jcamins        Wow.
03:19 bag            and a double :P
03:19 bag            there was a college player who hit 6 homeruns in one game
03:18 bag            so jcamins if you ever go to a baseball game - root for three things.  a perfect game, one player to hit four homeruns in a game (been done about 20 or so times - just as rare as a perfect game)  Or one player to hit five homerruns - never been done in MLB
03:18 dcook          Sorry that it wasn't a perfect game, bag :(
03:18 dcook          All right. Lunch time, me thinks
03:17 bag            but I usually always have a baseball game on when I'm in the office
03:17 jcamins        There's always a 1 in 4000 chance.
03:17 bag            jcamins: I'm a mets fan - right in your neighborhood
03:17 jcamins        Maybe next game.
03:16 bag            well we weren't rooting for a team - just history - to watch a perfect game
03:16 bag            yeah I guess so :(
03:12 jcamins        Who were we rooting for, BTW?
03:12 jcamins        :P
03:12 jcamins        bag: that was your fault. Just so we're clear. If you hadn't posted on Facebook, it would have been a perfect game.
03:11 jcamins        What was it for originally?
03:11 jcamins        FrameworksLoaded interests me.
03:10 jcamins        It worked, but was backwards, which is worse than it not doing anything.
03:10 jcamins        Oh, yeah.
03:09 jcamins        I must have failed it.
03:09 jcamins        No, apparently I didn't.
03:09 rangi          and thats about it i think
03:09 rangi          if the syspref is on
03:09 jcamins        Didn't I push that?
03:09 jcamins        I'm not sure about the MaxFineIsReplacementPrice.
03:09 rangi          so what needs to be done is that link needs to show to printers.pl
03:08 rangi          heh
03:08 wizzyrea       "it's in my way!"
03:08 jcamins        Then I didn't pay attention, and next I knew there was a bug saying "restore eliminated server-side printing functionality."
03:08 rangi          i dont understand this, rip it out
03:08 rangi          yeah
03:08 wizzyrea       people always think "nobody does that anymore"
03:08 jcamins        wizzyrea: http://screencast.com/t/hnqUiFVdUB
03:08 jcamins        I only tried it once, around 3.2, and it worked.
03:07 jcamins        Why did it get taken out in the first place?
03:07 rangi          i had to keep putting it back every release
03:07 jcamins        s/\.\././
03:07 rangi          its always worked for hlt
03:07 jcamins        That's a really neat feature, but not one that I was going to be spending time on, even when I thought it was all commented out..
03:06 rangi          but there is no link to it afaict
03:06 rangi          to set the printer
03:06 wizzyrea       well wtf is different about mine then.
03:06 jcamins        Cool.
03:06 rangi          and admin/printers.pl is there
03:06 rangi          it will print the slip using the slip notice even
03:06 jcamins        wizzyrea: I don't have much in local use at all.
03:05 jcamins        Which, granted, is rarely.
03:05 rangi          so if you hit return
03:05 jcamins        I never tried it, just thought "gee, pity that we still don't have it back" every time I look at the unpushed bug.
03:05 rangi          in circ/circulation.pl
03:05 rangi          NetworkPrint($letter->{content});
03:05 rangi          my $letter = IssueSlip($branch, $borrowernumber, "QUICK");
03:05 rangi          if ( C4::Context->boolean_preference('printcirculationslips') ) {
03:05 rangi          if ( $print eq 'yes' && $borrowernumber ne '' ) {
03:05 jcamins        The bug for setting the branch printer makes it sound like that's the printing functionality.
03:04 jcamins        Oh, I didn't realize that.
03:04 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8056 critical, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, RESOLVED FIXED, CircAutoPrintQuickSlip set to clear doesn't work
03:04 rangi          bug 8056 is most of it
03:04 rangi          srdjan put most of it back in
03:04 rangi          the link to set your printer isnt there
03:04 jcamins        Then why is there a bug report saying "server side printing needs to be put back in since it was removed"?
03:03 rangi          yep
03:03 jcamins        rangi: really?
03:03 wizzyrea       ^^^ that guy would know
03:03 rangi          it works now
03:03 rangi          it is there
03:03 jcamins        Srdjan was working on reviving it.
03:03 jcamins        And, server-side printing is gone, gone, gone.
03:03 jcamins        That is quite possible.
03:03 wizzyrea       i'm looking in there, seems there's LOTS of stuff that has gone missing.
03:02 jcamins        wizzyrea: it also contains sysprefs that should be elsewhere, apparently.
03:01 dcook          I guess there is no harm with them sitting in the database/local prefs gathering dust...
03:01 wizzyrea       seems like that one ought to be erm, where it belongs?
03:01 wizzyrea       like opacmainuserblockmobile?
03:01 dcook          O_o
03:01 jcamins        wizzyrea: local use contains all the removed sysprefs.
03:01 wahanui        wizzyrea: I forgot most likely
03:01 wizzyrea       forget most likely
03:00 wizzyrea       curses.
03:00 wahanui        it has been said that most likely is not logrotated
03:00 jcamins        dcook: most likely.
03:00 dcook          bag: :(
03:00 bag            :(
03:00 bag            gave up a hit with one out to go
03:00 bag            no longer perfect or no hitter
03:00 bag            OH NO hit…
03:00 * wizzyrea     hadn't looked in there in a long time
03:00 cjh            dcook: I find using it as a bookmark helps me remember when it is due ;)
03:00 wizzyrea       do they just need to be sorted?
03:00 wizzyrea       whoa, why so many prefs in local use?
02:59 * dcook        crosses his fingers for bag
02:59 bag            1 out to go!!!
02:59 dcook          jcamins: Are you still planning to go to Reno in October?
02:59 wizzyrea       the almighty rangi says that it was out for a while, but is back in again in 3.10
02:59 bag            but I also prefer the bookmark
02:59 wizzyrea       hm no
02:58 bag            on checkout and checkin
02:58 bag            well the user can choose to get "emailed slips"
02:58 * dcook        likes the idea of "emailed slips", although always chose to print the slip at his public library anyway. Convenient bookmark...
02:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
02:58 bag            wizzyrea bug 7001
02:57 bag            let me check that bug..  what was it custom slips...
02:57 wizzyrea       should have been and wasn't or it was ripped out and you don't want to commit to saying that :P
02:57 bag            it should have been ripped out
02:56 wizzyrea       is that broken now or... does that still work or... did we rip it out or...
02:56 bag            200,304 games played (as of the date of his column) X 2 (number of starting pitchers in each game) = 400,608
02:56 wizzyrea       the original server side receipt printing
02:56 cjh            wizzyrea: yes.
02:56 wizzyrea       hey, um, does anyone know
02:55 bag            In other words, at the beginning of every major-league game, an average pitcher facing a lineup of average hitters has a .000983 percent chance of pitching a perfect game.
02:55 dcook          It's the opposite of curling. Not very fun to watch, but lots of fun to play.
02:55 dcook          Baseball is pretty straightforward. Also remarkably boring to play when you're a child. Watching pro baseball can be entertaining though..
02:55 cjh            bag: thanks for the explanation of the awesomeness
02:54 dcook          I'll admit that is pretty awesome
02:54 cjh            eythian: I dont really understand cricket either :)
02:54 bag            so about 20 times in say 80,0000 games
02:54 bag            it's happened about 20 times ever in the sport…
02:54 dcook          Whoa...
02:54 eythian        cjh: it's sorta like cricket, but a bit stranger.
02:54 bag            perfect game is that no one ever reaches first base…  27 batters up and 27 batters out
02:53 cjh            bag: I have no idea what that means, I will take your word for it :)
02:53 bag            not in my world dcook
02:53 cjh            when I was a kid I was in a 'soccer team', and at work I have been invited to 'indoor soccer'.
02:53 dcook          I figured that would be no results found...
02:53 dcook          "really" and "exciting" and "baseball"
02:53 bag            those are pretty rare…
02:52 dcook          jcamins: Seconded on loving books and text.
02:52 bag            well there is something really exciting going on in baseball right now - Yu Darvish is 3 outs away from a perfect game
02:52 dcook          Although I don't know about actual fans...
02:52 dcook          People mostly say soccer though in my experience
02:52 cjh            apparently http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/
02:52 cjh            hahaha
02:51 dcook          http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/socceroos
02:51 cjh            although football is understood
02:51 * wizzyrea     looks quizically at cjh
02:51 cjh            bag: mostly soccer.
02:51 dcook          bag: same
02:51 * wizzyrea     was wondering the same thing
02:50 bag            cjh: do you say football or soccer?
02:50 bag            and that's what I put whenever I'm asked my profession
02:50 bag            jcamins: my answer is I'm always a librarian first :)
02:50 cjh            major league soccers?
02:49 bag            heh
02:49 bag            MLS's rule!!!
02:44 jcamins        And text generally.
02:43 jcamins        I love books.
02:43 jcamins        Books are interesting.
02:42 dcook          So what made you decide to get your librarian master's?
02:41 jcamins        Right.
02:40 dcook          Easily bored, hence only 100 pierogi? :p
02:40 dcook          But I've always been library mad ;)
02:40 dcook          Locally being the library world or even a particular library
02:39 dcook          I think I love programming, because it gives one the ability to solve problems, and if you think locally enough...it's all good
02:38 jcamins        Also, I'm easily bored.
02:30 dcook          Fair enough. I appreciate the explanation :)
02:30 jcamins        But that's why I hate programming.
02:28 dcook          hehe
02:28 jcamins        eythian: lol
02:28 eythian        what you should do is create a new language that makes it really easy to develop and share generic solutions...
02:28 dcook          Rather than...
02:28 dcook          But that something new would be an "innovation"
02:27 dcook          Even if you were writing something new, it would still be an attempt to solve an existing problem, me thinks
02:27 jcamins        True.
02:27 dcook          Capitalism also helps with the spending :p
02:26 jcamins        Yes.
02:26 dcook          you = one
02:26 dcook          I'm sure you could boil down all the world's problems to a rather select few
02:26 dcook          Stubbornness, lack of collaboration, ignorance, independence,
02:25 dcook          Hmm
02:25 jcamins        Why are billions of dollars spent *every day* to have people write them?
02:25 dcook          Because you're trying to solve an existing problem with a slightly different solution
02:25 jcamins        Sure, but why am I writing them?
02:25 jcamins        Sadly they appear to have forgotten to have explained what to do with that class.
02:24 dcook          That said, wouldn't it be rather odd if your algorithm were new?
02:24 jcamins        Probably.
02:23 dcook          Depending on what you were doing, I suppose you could've used the RecursiveArrayIterator class?
02:22 jcamins        It looks something like this: { 'object' => {'children' => [ 'otherobject' => ...
02:22 dcook          I had that exact same thought when I wrote my recursive array search the other day :p
02:22 jcamins        I don't even have an unusual data structure.
02:22 jcamins        There is *nothing* about this algorithm that is new.
02:21 jcamins        But take this simple recursive array search that I just wrote..
02:21 dcook          But I suppose that's no different than anything.
02:20 dcook          I wonder sometimes about all the duplicated code and wasted effort. The re-engineering that everyone does to make "their program" work.
02:20 jcamins        Hehe.
02:19 eythian        I suspect it's not, no :)
02:19 dcook          I'm not sure that's what he means though, eythian
02:19 eythian        well, you just need to solve them in a portable way once and for all then :)
02:18 dcook          Admittedly, this is something that I ponder from time to time
02:18 jcamins        If I'm lucky, in the past decade and a half I might have written three things that were not simply reimplementations of something that has already been done a million times.
02:17 dcook          Mmmm
02:17 jcamins        What shouldn't exist are the problems that I spend all my time "solving" as a programmer.
02:17 jcamins        Oh, problems should exist.
02:16 eythian        why should problems not exist?
02:16 jcamins        dcook: and, in answer to your earlier question, programming is about telling the computer how to go about solving problems that shouldn't exist.
02:15 eythian        It's been there for quite some time :)
02:15 cjh            oh wow, parrot apparently exists too. The future is here.
02:14 eythian        apt-get install rakudo
02:14 eythian        Perl 6 exists
02:12 cjh            there is also perl5i and/or modern perl, they have the advantage of actually existing.
02:11 eythian        jcamins: you should be using it as a chance to work with Perl 6 anyway
02:09 cjh            it is kind of python-esque, but with {} and some cool ideas around concurrency and types.
02:09 jcamins        Not very Ruby-like.
02:09 jcamins        Actually... go looks surprisingly not awful.
02:08 wizzyrea       you knew what I meant
02:08 wahanui        rumour has it language is filed letter by letter word by word
02:08 wizzyrea       language.
02:08 cjh            heh
02:08 wizzyrea       it probably means "poop" in some languatge.
02:08 wizzyrea       Kohago is a cool-ish name
02:07 cjh            and that is how the koha-go port began...
02:07 cjh            tour.golong.org is really cool
02:07 rangi          *nod* me too
02:07 cjh            I have only played with go a little bit, but I really like it. Have to write something serious in it at some point.
02:07 rangi          http://golang.org/
02:07 eythian        PHP will make you stupider.
02:07 rangi          :)
02:07 cjh            :)
02:07 rangi          seriously do it in go
02:06 cjh            rangi: do you mean 'go do it' or 'go the language' ?
02:06 jcamins        eythian: but Perl isn't exactly a thrilling option either.
02:06 jcamins        Yeah.
02:05 rangi          :)
02:05 eythian        You should rewrite it in Perl. PHP is not the best option.
02:05 dcook          Cataloguing interface?
02:05 rangi          go
02:04 jcamins        I can always rewrite in Perl if I decide that's the best option.
02:02 mtj            ^^ my 2 cents :)
02:02 mtj            i really like the way python code looks, its the least squiggly of the bunch
02:01 jcamins        Haskell: wtf?
02:01 jcamins        Ruby: "Screw you, I'm not going to compile."
02:01 eythian        PHP: "bluuuuurg."
02:01 jcamins        Python: "Hi, see this space? IT MEANS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT."
02:00 eythian        yes, and yet you picked PHP
02:00 jcamins        eythian: but consider the options.
02:00 cjh            eythian++
02:00 eythian        heh
02:00 eythian        ahahaha
02:00 eythian        hahahahah
02:00 eythian        hahahahahaha
02:00 cjh            :o
02:00 jcamins        I don't particularly like Perl so I decided to use a different language, and PHP seemed the best choice.
01:56 jcamins        I think I have, yes.
01:56 dcook          Mmm, I was wondering where that blog post resides...
01:55 cjh            jcamins: have you read http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ ?
01:55 jcamins        That's why.
01:55 dcook          http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.comparison.php
01:54 jcamins        Ah.
01:54 dcook          Usually == should work, but I know if you're using stripos or strpos you'll need to use ===
01:53 dcook          When were you using it?
01:53 jcamins        == did not work.
01:53 jcamins        Right.
01:53 dcook          == vs === ?
01:53 jcamins        wtf?
01:53 jcamins        uhhh...
01:52 jcamins        PHP's equality operators...
01:52 jcamins        Okay. This is bizarre.
01:52 dcook          You're the second "techie" person that I've heard say that in recent memory. I remember you saying that you decided not to be a software developer before you headed to college, but...I figured you didn't like the IT world. Why don't you like programming? (If you don't mind me asking)
01:51 mtj            ^^ its making programming more fun for me
01:51 cjh            gets me everytime.
01:51 wahanui        That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, cjh
01:51 cjh            mtj: awesome!
01:51 mtj            i have recently (since xmas) starting dabbling in writing a video game in perl-sdl
01:50 jcamins        dcook: yes.
01:47 dcook          jcamins: You hate programming?
01:40 wahanui        OK, eythian.
01:40 eythian        wahanui: rex manning is <reply>Rex Manning day is the 8th of April. http://www.mrkeroppi.com/original-mrkeroppi/what-day-is-rex-manning-day/
01:39 eythian        hate PHP, it can take it
01:38 jcamins        Other than the obvious issue that I hate programming.
01:31 jcamins        dcook: I'm not sure yet.
01:30 dcook          I had some issues at first, but I got one working the other day.
01:30 dcook          What's the issue with the PHP one?
01:30 dcook          C'est une bonne question, jcamins
01:30 jcamins        So why is it that they're so damn hard to write in JS and PHP?
01:29 jcamins        You know, I don't have any trouble writing recursive algorithms in Perl.
01:29 dcook          But really...possibilities are subject to imagination
01:29 dcook          Yeah, I like it for new books as well
01:29 dcook          Mmm, I had forgotten about the caching
01:28 rangi          so you dont hammer the server doing reports
01:28 rangi          and you can cache the results too
01:28 rangi          cos its much easier than the ways we have now
01:28 rangi          on the opac
01:28 rangi          mostly i did it for newbooks
01:27 rangi          and see which ones are busy
01:27 rangi          broken down by station/machine
01:27 eythian        I forsee a world of 3D pie charts :/
01:27 rangi          you could totally graph the circ requests and show that in the staff client
01:27 rangi          yep, could do that too
01:26 dcook          I was thinking of calling up some data and then outputting it into a table using the jquery Datatable
01:26 dcook          Mmm, looks familiar ;)
01:25 rangi          look up jqplot
01:25 rangi          yep
01:25 dcook          A graph you say?
01:25 rangi          and voila a graph on your opac
01:25 rangi          etc
01:25 rangi          or opacmain
01:25 cjh            we used it to make all sorts of pretty graphs in jquery :)
01:25 rangi          throw some js in opacjs
01:24 dcook          Cool beans :)
01:24 rangi          :)
01:24 rangi          thats what i wrote it for yes
01:24 dcook          That would require jQuery's ajax method, yes?
01:22 dcook          Actually, I've been wondering a bit about using jQuery to call the web service and output the results on an existing page
01:21 dcook          Sweet :)
01:21 rangi          yep
01:19 dcook          rangi: I just need to know if it'll be available when we move a particular library over to 3.10 :)
01:19 * jcamins      shrugs
01:19 cjh            mtj: thanks for the digging around :)
01:18 rangi          dcook: well that was the first release it was in anyway
01:18 dcook          jcamins: Then why use it?
01:18 dcook          Thanks, rangi
01:18 rangi          yep
01:18 jcamins        dcook: yeah, I hate it.
01:17 dcook          Does anyone know off-hand when the SQL report web service was introduced? 3.10?
01:17 dcook          jcamins: Using PHP? :o
01:14 mtj            anyhoo… something to think about :)
01:14 mtj            cjh, yeah that too :/
01:13 cjh            mtj: we would have to package it ourselves, but it doesnt look obviously too hard.
01:13 jcamins        I can't figure out how to use it.
01:13 jcamins        I wrote a non-object-oriented function in PHP.
01:13 jcamins        Bah.
01:09 cjh            we could also try crypt::openssl::random which is in squeeze but requires a good seed
01:09 mtj            cjh, i thought there might have been a case for Crypt::Random::TESHA2 being weakish, but good enuff for a seed
01:05 mtj            hey bagz
01:05 cjh            mtj: I was planning to mention this sometime, thanks for bringing it up :)
01:04 bag            hey mtj
01:04 cjh            so I went with the thing wrapper (it was what Crypt::Random was doing, but it had Math::Pari deps which are impossible)
01:03 cjh            we could also package the dep ourselves, but a seed doesnt have to be cryptographically secure as long as it is unique and non-predictable.
01:03 mtj            i like the simple wrapper plan, too
01:02 mtj            hiya cjh :)
01:01 mtj            ah, its in sid -> http://packages.debian.org/sid/libbytes-random-secure-perl
01:01 mtj            so thats an added hassle , if we use it
01:00 mtj            hmm, i dont think Bytes::Random::Secure is a deb package yet… :/
00:57 cjh            currently it is around /dev/random and /dev/urandom depending upon how you ask it :)
00:56 eythian        mtj: cjh is writing a simple wrapper around /dev/random that's probably the lowest maintenance method
00:55 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
00:55 mtj            re: bug 9611
00:55 mtj            haay eythian, what about this one? -> http://search.cpan.org/~davido/Bytes-Random-Secure-0.25/lib/Bytes/Random/Secure.pm
00:30 rgbv           ahh, right, missed that one, you're on to it eythian
00:30 rangi          good thinking eythian
00:30 rangi          thats right
00:30 rangi          ah yes we moved them all into the admin interface so you dont need to edit files
00:29 eythian        Tools -> Notices
00:29 eythian        no, a notice
00:28 rgbv           ok, is that printslip.tt ?
00:27 rangi          might be worth trying rgbv
00:27 rangi          could be, you might have to edit the template to add the news thingy
00:26 eythian        it comes from a notice template now doesn't it?
00:24 rgbv           it used to print on both, we had library contact details on it, quite useful for us, thanks for having a look :)
00:21 rangi          hmm i think it only prints on the slip by design ... im not sure about that though i will check with wizzyrea when she gets back
00:17 eythian        no problem
00:17 dcook_         Neato. Thanks for the Andchat recommendation, eythian :D
00:13 rgbv           hey, the koha news that we've added to the slip isn't printing on the quickslip, but it is on the slip in 3.10.3... any ideas how to get it to show up on the quickslip?
00:10 rgbv           hi rangi
00:10 rangi          hiya rgbv