Time Nick Message 00:00 mtj so, i guess the patch could be rewritten to force perl-module selection, rather than ignore it 00:00 eythian no, it should ignore it 00:01 eythian > Other packages should not depend on `perl-modules' directly, they 00:01 eythian should use `perl' (which depends on `perl-modules') instead. 00:02 eythian Also, perl-modules has a bunch of "conflicts" and "replaces" which I'm a little afraid will make things quite complex 00:02 eythian however I'll ask the debian perl people, see what they say 00:02 mtj hmm, i mean ignore the alternate 'newer' package, and use the older module in perl-module 00:03 mtj … as the alternate 'newer' package may not get security updates 00:03 jcamins lol 00:03 jcamins This is awesome. 00:04 jcamins "And today, April 1, 2013 my library switches to creating only new RDA records. Hooray!!!" 00:04 rangi id just stick with perl-modules, it gets much more eyes on it 00:04 rangi so safer 00:04 jcamins I'm not sure if that's intended to be an April Fool's joke or not, but it's hysterically funny either way. 00:04 mtj rangi, yeah, i think i agree now too 00:05 mtj jcamins, its a good one :p ^^ 00:05 rangi :) 00:07 mtj i'll rewrite the patch so it selects the perl-module version, rather than the alternative version 00:07 eythian no don't 00:07 eythian if it's in perl-modules it should ignore it 00:08 eythian see the comment on apt-cache show perl-modules 00:08 eythian (I'm not sure if we're doing that now, but we probably should be) 00:08 jcamins I don't think we are. 00:08 mtj eythian, what comment where? 00:08 jcamins We have libcgi-perl | perl-modules in the control file 00:09 jcamins I think. 00:09 eythian mtj: the comment that says you shouldn't depend on it 00:10 eythian jcamins: hmm. That's probably not the most best thing to do 00:10 mtj ah, click 00:12 jcamins Wow, you know what I have decided I don't like? 00:12 eythian spaghetti? 00:12 eythian why don't you like spaghetti, jcamins? 00:12 jcamins No, I was thinking the fact that HTML5 is not a subset of XML. 00:12 eythian what did it do to you? 00:12 eythian oh, yeah. that's by design I think 00:12 jcamins Yes, because w3c hates me. 00:13 eythian It's probably personal. 00:13 jcamins Oh, I know it's personal. 00:13 mtj eythian, i think i understand what you are suggesting 00:14 mtj there's no need to explicitly list the perl-modules package, because its a dep of the perl package 00:14 eythian mtj: I'll talk to the debian perl folks, see what they recommend. 00:14 eythian yeah 00:15 mtj cool 00:16 eythian jcamins: I have issues with XML being used for HTML. On one hand, it's good and precise. On the other, it's really easy to mess up and cause the whole document to not render. 00:16 jcamins If HTML5 isn't really XML-compatible, it seems kind of silly to use XML as the basic storage format. 00:16 jcamins Better to use JSON natively. 00:17 mtj everyone agrees that removing the current 'either|or' lines from the control file is a good thing? 00:17 jcamins Except, oh, wait, there's no agreed-upon way to serialize an HTML5 DOM tree to JSON? 00:17 jcamins Nnnnnngggggg. 00:17 eythian mtj: I'm not sure 00:17 mtj ok ok 00:18 jcamins eythian: in principle I get it. In practice, it feels like they pulled the carpet out from under us without bothering to check if there was a floor underneath the carpet. 00:18 eythian mtj: keep in mind we have to support a few different distros, so we can't always expect that everything is the same in perl-modules 00:18 eythian on the other hand, we sorta do expect that and it seems to work. 00:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1132: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1132/ 00:20 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9443 [Revised] Use DataTables on MARC frameworks administration 00:20 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8943 - Add table sorting to labels 00:20 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8943 - Add table sorting to labels - Followup - Sort pulldowns in batch export. 00:20 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9917 - Routing list tab on patron account should depend on syspref/permission 00:20 jcamins Do I look like someone who wants to write a DOM de-/serializer? 00:20 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9954 - CVS profile encoding not selected in edition 00:20 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: But 9791: Remove single pixel on datatable tables 00:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9443 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on MARC frameworks administration page 00:20 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9946 - opac-topissues with no time limit 00:20 jenkins_koha * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 6554 - make Koha internally utf-8 clean 00:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8943 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add table sorting to labels 00:20 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 6554 QA Followup 00:20 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 6554: Followup for serial search 00:20 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 6554: Followup for acquisitions 00:20 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 6554: Followup for preferences.pl 00:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9917 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Routing list tab on patron account should depend on syspref/permission 00:20 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 6554 Followup for circulation patron search 00:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9954 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , CSV profile encoding not selected on editing 00:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9946 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , opac-topissues with no time limit 00:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 00:20 jcamins Too close to midnight. 00:20 eythian jcamins: I'm sure that it's already been done 00:21 jcamins eythian: me too. I'm searching for an implementation as we speak. 00:21 dcook allo #koha 00:21 eythian jquery might have one 00:23 jcamins That'd be useful. 00:23 mtj jcamins, eythian : thanks for the packaging advice, too 00:23 jcamins Unfortunately it seems not to. 00:23 * jcamins grumbles. 00:28 jcamins Here I found something... and I don't like it. 00:29 jcamins Everyone seems to have conveniently ignored the fact that HTML5 != XHTML 00:30 jcamins "Just treat it like XML" is a great way to end up with a non-round-trip-able object. 00:32 eythian ah, joy 01:52 jcamins In what world is the Document Object Model anything other than profoundly stupid? 01:53 jcamins I hadn't appreciated quite how... astonishing... the stupidity of that model is. 01:54 dcook O_o 01:55 eythian it is really quite something special 01:59 eythian in what context have I seen strings like "u-nz---" before? 02:01 jcamins eythian: 043 02:03 eythian jcamins: thanks, I was thinking perhaps I was misassociating it with punycode or similar 02:19 eythian > Private OPAC requires authentification before accessing the OPAC. 02:19 eythian That's not a word! 02:19 mib_xble6z jcamins, are u there? 02:20 dcook hehe 02:20 mib_xble6z i'm installing ilbot on ubuntu server 02:20 mib_xble6z hello 02:20 wahanui privet, mib_xble6z 02:20 mib_xble6z and when i go to http://irc.dreamlib.vn i got this error 02:20 cjh authentification sounds secure. 02:20 mib_xble6z Can't locate IrcLog.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /var/www/dreamlib/irc/index.pl line 8. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/www/dreamlib/irc/index.pl line 8. 02:21 mib_xble6z privet 02:21 mib_xble6z kak ti? 02:21 mib_xble6z wahanui 02:21 wahanui yes, mib_xble6z? 02:21 mib_xble6z wait me join again 02:22 quocuy hello 02:22 quocuy can you check my website at http://irc.dreamlib.vn ? 02:23 eythian you probably need to find whatever provides IrcLog.pm and install it 02:23 quocuy got error with IrcLog.pm 02:23 quocuy yes, i used apt-file search IrcLog.pm 02:23 quocuy but can't find it 02:25 cjh IrcLog.pm is provided in ilbot/lib, so you prob need to set PERL5LIB path to include wherever ilbot/lib is installed 02:25 quocuy ah, understand, and how can i do that? 02:26 quocuy copy irclog.pm to these folder, which was shown? 02:26 eythian No. 02:26 eythian you need to set up your perl path to find your log bot. 02:27 cjh quocuy: you probably want your apache config to have a line like SetEnv PERL5LIB "/path/to/illib/lib" 02:27 quocuy ok, i'll try it now. 02:27 eythian it's possibly set up in .htaccess 02:29 quocuy .htaccess in folder cgi? 02:29 eythian the one that the instructions refer to 02:30 quocuy yes 02:33 quocuy i add that line into /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, and reload, but nothing happens 02:35 cjh quocuy: you need to restart apache after making changes to apache config 02:35 cjh quocuy: on debian systems: sudo service apache2 restart 02:37 eythian if you put it there, what did you do with the .htaccess? 02:40 quocuy Can't locate IrcLog.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib /home/koha/Dropbox/ilbot-master/lib 02:40 quocuy .htaccess i didn't do so much, make a password and username for spam.pl 02:41 cjh does the user it is running as have permissions to acess home/koha/Dropbox/ilbot-master/lib ? 02:42 eythian it's probably running from a different directory 02:42 eythian we can't tell from that error 02:43 quocuy aha, let me change that directory 02:49 quocuy You were right, i copied folder to another location, it pass that error, and now, another :( 02:52 jcamins Javascript arrays/objects are another weird thing. 02:53 quocuy it looks lbad, right? I have no idea. I follow his guide till now. 02:54 eythian jcamins: they are pretty odd things 02:54 eythian like a lot of javascript 02:54 eythian quocuy: there are two errors there, fix the actual one first. 02:55 quocuy you can check here https://github.com/moritz/ilbot/ , there are lot of things, but this guide need to use only 2 folder, cgi and lib 02:55 jcamins If I have an object like this: { 'thing': { 'children': [ ... ] } there doesn't be any way to get 'thing' 02:55 quocuy why another one stay there? 02:56 jcamins *doesn't seem to be 02:56 quocuy where can i get started to fix these error? 02:57 wizzyrea jcamins isn't it impossibly late for you 02:57 cjh jcamins: do you mean the value of thing, or the key 'thing' ? 02:57 jcamins wizzyrea: it's not even 11. 02:57 jcamins cjh: the key 'thing' 02:57 wizzyrea oh. ok. 02:57 cjh jcamins: assuming this is js, you can iterate over every key in an object 02:58 jcamins cjh: that's what I thought. 02:58 cjh for( var key in obj ) /* where obj is the obj in question */ 02:58 cjh jcamins: does this not work? 02:59 jcamins cjh: okay... 02:59 jcamins that's weird. 02:59 cjh you may also want to test obj.hasOwnProperty(key) to make sure it isnt inherited 02:59 cjh jcamins: now that you are talking about it, it suddently works? 02:59 jcamins cjh: no. 02:59 jcamins It's now in an infinite loop. 03:00 eythian quocuy: the error says your missing a file, you're probably missing a file. 03:01 eythian quocuy: also note that this isn't an ilbot help channel, so we're probably not able to be very helpful. We can only tell you things that are obvious anyway. 03:01 jcamins There we go. 03:01 jcamins It's out of the loop. 03:01 eythian jcamins: welcome to javascript 03:01 cjh heh 03:01 quocuy yes 03:02 jcamins ... and the properties do not match the object I'm looking at. 03:02 jcamins Grr. 03:02 quocuy ok, i really appriciate 03:03 quocuy maybe need more time to google. That man, he wrote a short guide, not clear as koha-guide :) 03:04 quocuy it's hard for someone not professional like me to do exctly 03:04 jcamins It lists 0, length, prevObject, and context 03:04 eythian jcamins: if it's a browser DOM object, it may be full of all manner of crazy 03:04 jcamins eythian: it's not. I created it. 03:04 eythian ah 03:05 eythian perhaps they came from the prototype 03:05 cjh jcamins: when you said 'the properties do not match the object I'm looking at', what did you mean? 03:06 pastebot Someone at 127.0.0.1 pasted "el = [Object article: Array[0]" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/451 03:06 jcamins cjh: ^^ 03:07 jcamins Ah-ha. 03:07 jcamins el[0] is the object that I was expecting. 03:08 jcamins Ummm... 03:08 jcamins why? 03:08 jcamins Ah-ha. 03:08 jcamins I see. 03:08 jcamins Talk about weird. 03:08 jcamins *Everything* is in an extra array. 03:09 eythian <eythian> jcamins: welcome to javascript 03:09 jcamins lol 03:09 jcamins Thanks. 03:10 eythian you're not somehow creating an extra array? 03:10 eythian I don't see how, but... 03:11 jcamins I must be. 03:11 jcamins But I don't really care, just so long as it is consistent, which it seems to be. 03:12 eythian I've always done it by going var foo = new Array(); and then putting things in 03:12 eythian or new Array(a,b,c) 03:12 eythian although I suppose you want a hash, not an array really 03:12 eythian hey 03:12 eythian shouldn't it then be el={a:'a', b:'b'}; 03:12 eythian ? 03:13 eythian rather than [ ... ] 03:13 cjh if it is an array of 3 parts, it should have commas. I am not quite sure what that syntax is. 03:13 jcamins eythian: yes, but I created it using curly braces. 03:13 jcamins That was what Chrome displayed. 03:13 eythian jcamins: your pastebin suggests otherwise. 03:13 eythian hmm 03:14 jcamins You're right. 03:14 jcamins el[0] is displayed by Chrome with curly braces. 03:14 jcamins Oh well. 03:17 jcamins I hate Javascript. 03:17 cjh heh 03:17 jcamins Actually, I hate all web programming. 03:17 jcamins It actually makes win32 look pleasant. 03:18 mtj no HEREDOC in javascript, is my latest peeve :/ 03:19 jcamins Mine is "recursing over any sort of tree structure in order to create an object is basically pointless because Javascript will add DOM properties to a string." 03:19 jcamins It's a string. 03:19 jcamins It says "G.C." 03:20 quocuy sorry all, i found these chat on google 03:20 quocuy 21:53 Alex-SF i get an error page 21:53 Alex-SF "This page contains the following errors: 21:53 Alex-SF error on line 2 at column 1: Extra content at the end of the document 21:53 Alex-SF Below is a rendering of the page up to the first error." 21:53 mlei ah, yeah, index isn't updated yet 21:53 mlei i'm not sure how often m 03:20 jcamins So why does it have five million properties? 03:21 quocuy "i'm not sure how often mysql updates the index" 03:21 eythian jcamins: it's a string object, don't forget 03:22 eythian objects are supposed to have a bunch of fields 03:22 eythian "supposed" 03:22 quocuy i created ilbot.mysql, but maybe i need import the ilbot.mysql, which i downloaded? 03:22 jcamins quocuy: MySQL doesn't update indexes. MySQL is just a database. 03:23 jcamins eythian: right... I return to my original thesis. 03:23 jcamins Javascript sucks. 03:26 * MrAgent075 is thinking about Responsive Design on Koha. 03:26 jcamins MrAgent075: avoid Javascript. It is the devil. 03:26 wizzyrea oh boy. 03:27 cjh heh 03:27 MrAgent075 jcamins: Totally Agree on That. The Language is just too damn confusing to work with. [commences High-5] 03:28 eythian I actually don't mind it too much outside a browser. But it's by no means a favourite. 03:28 jcamins eythian: outside a browser I don't use Javascript. :P 03:29 cjh fwiw: I think it is theoretically a nice language, I just hate how it is used :) 03:29 eythian I once built a system that embedded an API accessed through Rhino for end users to include javascript snippets. 03:29 jcamins cjh: theoretically, it's fine, but theory doesn't involve me using it. 03:30 jcamins All I want to do is iterate through a DOM tree and create a Javascript tree structure. 03:30 eythian also so we could do rapid modification without a code/compile/deploy phase. 03:30 eythian YOU ASK TOO MUCH! 03:30 jcamins That does not require that I copy EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY IN THE DOM. 03:30 jcamins Yeah, I know. 03:30 wizzyrea did you see the thing 03:30 eythian jcamins: wait, is this actually a DOM tree? 03:30 wizzyrea where they did fabric physics with javascript? 03:31 eythian wizzyrea: I build a video markup system in javascript+xml too :) 03:31 jcamins eythian: I'm starting over again, so, yeah, I'm back to a DOM tree. 03:31 eythian ah right, I was going to say then you should use the DOM methods 03:31 eythian which suck, but should work 03:31 jcamins Yeah, I did. 03:31 wizzyrea http://codepen.io/stuffit/pen/KrAwx 03:31 jcamins And it seemed to work. 03:31 jcamins But going the other way isn't working, so I'm just starting over. 03:32 * jcamins tears the fabric to bits. 03:32 jcamins Am I missing something obvious? 03:33 jcamins I feel like lots of people should have written snippets to traverse the DOM. 03:33 eythian http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5714268/how-to-iterate-through-a-dom-tree <-- like that? 03:34 * jcamins looks. 03:35 jcamins Well, good news. 03:35 wahanui rumour has it good news is it looks like it's running properly 03:35 jcamins That looks almost exactly like the code I just deleted in a fit of pique. 03:35 * MrAgent075 is questioning tearing fabric to bits, unless they will serve a greater purpose in later future. 03:35 eythian heh 03:36 jcamins The bad news, of course, is that this probably won't help in this case. 03:36 * jcamins uses it again anyway. 03:37 jcamins Any idea what the _SU3 means? 03:38 eythian I have no idea, might just be where the code was pasted from 03:38 eythian http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.aspx?p=20991&seqNum=6 <-- you could try this jcamins :D 03:40 jcamins I hated VBScript too. 03:42 mtj jcamins, fwiw, i think i started using jquery for DOM stuff 03:42 jcamins mtj: yeah, my version was jQuery based but did the same thing. 03:42 jcamins I couldn't care less whether it uses DOM directly or uses jQuery. 03:42 mtj http://api.jquery.com/category/traversing/ 03:42 mtj theres a bunch of DOM stuff there… ^^ 03:43 jcamins Yeah, but the problem is not really the traversing. 03:43 jcamins It's doing something with the traversed elements. 03:44 mtj aah, ok 03:44 jcamins Ooh, I finally came up with the right keywords. 03:44 jcamins http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8109823/javascript-create-object-from-dom 03:45 jcamins "javascript dom walkable object" 03:45 jcamins No, please don't ask me how I came up with that. 03:46 eythian How did you...oh 03:46 jcamins lol 03:56 jcamins Right... 03:56 jcamins This time it created an object without any extraneous properties. 03:56 jcamins That is good. 03:56 jcamins Unfortunately, now I can't seem to get any actual data out of it. 03:58 jcamins At least that was easy to solve. 03:58 jcamins I think. 03:59 eythian wahanui: javascript 03:59 wahanui javascript is required for interactions with clicks 03:59 eythian wahanui: javascript is also an implementation of INTERCAL on Interstates 03:59 wahanui okay, eythian. 04:01 jcamins Well, hallelujah! It seems to be giving me basically the data structure I expected. 04:02 jcamins And it turns out the problem is that I wasn't setting object = {} at the beginning of the block every time. 04:02 jcamins I was tricked into thinking I didn't need to since when I failed to do that it still worked. 04:03 cjh INTERCAL's come from is genius. 04:04 eythian ah, so you were working with an undefined rather than an empty object 04:06 jcamins Right. 04:06 jcamins I would've thought there would have been an error. 04:06 jcamins But apparently not. 04:06 eythian I think undefined is just another object 04:07 eythian with some special properties, but not many 04:07 jcamins ^^ there you have it. 04:07 jcamins javascript-- 04:07 jcamins And now I just need to deserialize my JSON as HTML 04:07 jcamins And then I'm going to bed because it is late. 04:08 eythian you'll dream of javascript 04:08 jcamins Only nightmares. 04:10 * dcook is curious as to which programming languages jcamins actually likes 04:10 eythian PHP I'm sure 04:11 dcook :p 04:11 dcook likes = doesn't hate 04:11 dcook I've had a friend recently say that she despises web programming as well. Given the current state of the world, I often wonder what this means... 04:11 dcook Well, in her case, she tends to just program enough to make her machines work, but in terms of on going development... 04:12 jcamins dcook: I liked working with C, to be honest. 04:12 jcamins And a limited subset of C++ was okay. 04:12 jcamins Hmm. 04:13 jcamins Very limited. 04:13 quocuy sorry, just wanna say, i found it. The IrcLog.pm use mysql.conf file, but it was wrong, so i added my database into this file, and it works 04:13 eythian quocuy: cool 04:13 mtompset Greetings, Manny, you made it. :) 04:13 tamayaom wow 04:13 quocuy thanks 04:14 mtompset Greetings, jcamins. 04:14 * jcamins curses. 04:14 jcamins I HATE JAVASCRIPT! 04:14 quocuy :) 04:15 jcamins An array and a hash are exactly the same thing as far as the language is concerned, except they have to be treated differently? 04:15 mtompset first question? 04:15 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 04:15 mtompset second question? 04:15 wahanui i heard second question was "What is the exact error message?" 04:15 mtompset third questions? 04:15 mtompset third question? 04:15 wahanui third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/ 04:15 mtompset fourth question? 04:15 wahanui hmmm... fourth question is "Are we there yet?" 04:15 * mtompset laughs, "I like that fourth question." 04:16 eythian jcamins: well, an Array is a special object 04:16 eythian every object is a hash 04:26 quocuy sorry, after install ilbot, what is next? what should i do with this widget "<iframe width="550" height="350" scrolling="no" src="http://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=b502800a5fc7d36e6b211feb13f9e95e&server=irc.oftc.net&channel=%23Koha%20for%20Vietnamese"></iframe>" 04:29 eythian you will have to work out how to point it at your channel. 04:30 quocuy my server is irc.dreamlib.vn, you can check it, but when i use it, it could not connect 04:32 eythian You're going to have to configure it to do what you want 04:32 eythian e.g. listen in your IRC channel 04:33 quocuy https://widgetmanager.mibbit.com/index.php 04:34 eythian OK, you'll have to do some reading on how IRC and OFTC work, as mibbit is hiding stuff from you that will probably be confusing. 04:35 quocuy yes, exacty. OK, i'll take a look now 04:36 eythian In particlar you'll have to give the ilbot your server name (irc.oftc.net) and your channel name (not sure what that is) 04:37 * mtompset waves bye, "Have a good day (24 hour period)!" 04:38 dcook Got to love when national companies have Java errors printing all over their web pages... 04:38 dcook Fills me with confidence in their online services... 04:38 jcamins Remember, quocuy, we're Koha developers not IRC bot developers. I, for example, have never even considered trying to run an IRC bot. 04:40 quocuy Ok, i just trying to use it to run a koha-background in vietnamese 04:41 * jcamins supports that, but can't help with administering it. I simply do without logging on other IRC channels. 04:43 quocuy yes. Thanks for your helping! It's time to go to university now, 8'40AM. See U all again! 04:44 quocuy BB 05:31 cait hi #koha 05:35 dcook hey cait :) 05:35 cait hi dcook :) 05:37 dcook Good day so far? ;) 05:39 cait hm slept through 2 alarm clocks... but apart from that :) 05:44 alohabot Hi mib_subqcn, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 06:01 cait dcook: how are you? 06:03 dcook cait: Alas, busy as always. Wishing I had more time to work on Koha, but have other projects on the go. 06:03 cait ah 06:03 cait hope they go well :) 06:03 dcook On the plus side, I borrowed a PC box, so I'm hoping to install Koha via Debian packages later this week at home ^_^ 06:03 dcook Thanks, cait :) 06:06 dcook How about you? How was Marseille? 06:06 dcook Looks like lots got done on the bug front! 06:07 cait yep quite a busy week 06:07 cait and some more since we are back 06:07 cait the lists look a bit less duanting right now 06:09 dcook Agreed. I like how the dashboard also shows the number of bugs and sorts by bug status 06:09 dcook While there are still quite a few needing sign off, there are only 29 bugs...and quite a few of those look pretty straightforward 06:18 cait yeah :) it's getting better 06:18 cait sorry, getting ready for work 06:19 dcook No worries. I'm just about to head to the park to read my book 06:20 rangi evening 06:21 cait nice 06:21 cait too cold here for that 06:21 cait evening rangi 06:21 dcook China Miéville's 'The City & The City'. Generic crime fiction with a splash of sci fi 06:21 dcook It's autumn here though, so it'll be too cold soon enough. Jealous of your looming spring ;) 06:21 dcook night rangi and cait 06:21 dcook hi Oak :) 06:22 cait looming spring... 06:22 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:22 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 02, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005 hPa (Rising). 06:22 rangi @wunder nzwn 06:22 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (7:00 PM NZDT on April 02, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 06:22 cait you win :) 06:23 * Oak waves 06:24 cait heya Oak :) 06:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #91 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 06:42 reiveune hello 06:48 alex_a bonjour 06:50 cait bbl :) 06:57 rangi ni reiveune , Oak and alex_a 06:58 alex_a hello rangi 06:58 reiveune hi rangi 07:08 gaetan_B hello 07:08 Dalian1 Hi, I want to know if Koha offers this feature that allows library staff when they scan the ISBN barcode it will retrieve for them some bibliographic informations about the book. This option seems very appreciated by library users with other ILS. 07:09 Dalian1 Hello ! what do you think ? 07:12 rangi yes it does 07:12 rangi and it has for years ;) 07:13 francharb good morning 07:13 rangi hi francharb 07:13 francharb 0/ rangi 07:16 christophe_c hello #koha 07:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #91: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/91/ 07:21 jenkins_koha Kyle M Hall: Bug 9928 - no way to see all purchase suggestions at all [3.10.x] 07:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9928 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , no way to see all purchase suggestions at all 07:23 Oak hello rangi :) 07:23 Oak Bonjour kf, alex_a 07:23 Oak Bonjour reiveune and all 07:23 alex_a salut Oak 07:23 reiveune salut Oak 07:24 Oak :) 07:24 Dalian1 So just to make sure about this feature, with Koha it is possible to scan the ISBN barcode and then it will create right away a bibliographic notice for the book. Do you know from where this bibliographic information comes from ? 07:26 rangi where you set it up to come from 07:27 kf hi all 07:27 rangi http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/additionaladmin.html#z3950admin 07:46 rangi i wonder if someone could look at bug 6506 07:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Needs Signoff , deleting patron history missing errors 07:47 rangi i can't sign off on it 07:47 rangi or bug 4862 07:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4862 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Needs Signoff , "Browse by subject" is misnamed 07:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #92 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:01 rewangbhutan hi 08:01 wahanui hello, rewangbhutan 08:01 rewangbhutan how r u 08:03 rewangbhutan hi u there 08:31 mtj rangi, i'll give 6506 a whirl 08:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #92: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/92/ 08:35 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9954 - CVS profile encoding not selected in edition 08:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9954 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , CSV profile encoding not selected on editing 08:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #293 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:37 rangi thanks mtj 08:53 mtj np, signed off ^^ 08:54 rangi hi Viktor 08:55 Viktor hi rangi 09:00 mtj rangi, 4862 signed-off too... 09:01 mtj heya Viktor :) 09:01 Viktor Hi mtj! 09:02 rangi yay! 09:05 Dalian1 Thank you for your help. Cheers ! ; ) 09:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #293: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/293/ 09:15 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9954 - CVS profile encoding not selected in edition 09:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9954 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , CSV profile encoding not selected on editing 10:53 drojf good day #koha 11:10 kf hi drojf :) 12:23 oleonard Hi #koha 12:27 oleonard Joubu: I know you did a lot of work on getting the uk_date sort working on many pages, but I think the sort on title attribute is probably the method we should use 12:27 oleonard Especially if we're doing more date-formatting in the template now with a plugin. 12:27 jcamins oleonard: do you have a list somewhere of all the jQuery/jQueryUI widgets that we use on the OPAC, and where to find an example? 12:28 oleonard There is a list on the wiki, although it may need to be updated. 12:28 oleonard coding guidelines? 12:28 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 12:29 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Using_jQueryUI_widgets 12:29 oleonard I haven't revisited that page in a while 12:30 jcamins That's for the intranet, isn't it? 12:30 oleonard Yes, it was written from that point of view. 12:31 jcamins Okay... I don't know how to run the SIP unit tests. 12:31 oleonard jcamins: What would you like to see? 12:31 jcamins Do I care? 12:32 jcamins oleonard: I need to look at bug 9572, and I want to make sure I don't miss any widgets we use on some obscure page. 12:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9572 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Opac info tooltip from branches is not well positioned 12:32 oleonard Ah. 12:32 jcamins I know we use tab widgets on the detail pages, and datepickers on the member entry page, but I don't know if there are other things. 12:32 oleonard I don't think there's anything else. I'll double-check. 12:33 Joubu oleonard: yes, no problem. It was in order to understand what you really want to do. 12:33 Joubu I think it is a little bit odd to have a span containg data for sorting. But it doesn't really bother me. 12:37 alohabot Hi mib_nqsyrg, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 12:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #315 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 12:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #315: SUCCESS in 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/315/ 12:39 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add plugin permissions 12:40 oleonard jcamins: I don't see any other jQueryUI use in the OPAC besides tabs and datepickers 12:42 jcamins Well, good. That's nice and easy. 12:47 jcamins oleonard: didn't we have a little calendar icon to indicate a datepicker in the OPAC previously? 12:47 oleonard Yes, do you not see it? 12:47 * oleonard checks 12:47 jcamins I do not. 12:47 jcamins It's not on master, either. 12:48 kf hm it's in ccsr 12:48 kf i tested it because it was broken there 12:48 jcamins It is in CCSR. 12:48 kf do you allow hold dates in future? 12:49 jcamins Both before and after 9572. 12:49 kf it's on the hold page 12:49 jcamins I'm looking at the date of birth datepicker. 12:49 kf oh, i did check it on the holds page 12:49 kf maybe we forgot to implement it there? 12:50 oleonard Yeah I don't see it there either. But I don't know that I ever saw it there before. 12:50 jcamins We remembered on CCSR. 12:50 jcamins But as long as I'm not going crazy, I don't mind. 12:50 jcamins Hm. 12:50 jcamins The jQueryUI upgrade breaks the ratings under CCSR. 12:51 jcamins Oh, wait... 12:51 jcamins I see. 12:52 jcamins I think the jQuery tooltip thing needs to be added. 12:52 oleonard The OPAC patron update page doesn't include calendar.inc where some datepicker defaults are set (like the icon image) 12:52 jcamins Actually, I think it just needs to be put somewhere else. 12:52 jcamins Wait, no, it's in lib. 12:53 jcamins I was looking at the wrong path. 12:53 jcamins Or... 12:53 jcamins hm. 12:54 jcamins Ah. 12:54 jcamins ... no. 12:55 oleonard The patron entry form in the OPAC discriminates against people who are over 120 years old. 12:56 jcamins We should move jQueryUI out of the theme directory. 12:58 oleonard I'm still waiting on Bug 9172 :P 12:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory 12:58 jcamins Ah. 12:58 * kf takes the liberty to mark it as a bug 12:58 oleonard (not that they conflict) 12:58 kf there is a comment from mason about deleting one line 13:03 jcamins git++ 13:03 jcamins git show --color=auto --word-diff 13:04 kf git++ 13:07 jcamins Okay, time to head into the city. 13:07 jcamins Bye. 13:07 kf bye jcamins 13:07 oleonard I see the lines which mason talks about, but I also see similar instances elsewhere in Koha 13:08 nengard anyone want some easy sign offs / QA - the help files are done and 1/2 signed off 13:08 nengard bug 9850 13:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update 13:08 oleonard #========================= at line 537 of authorities.pl 13:08 oleonard Doesn't that line cause the same problem? 13:08 kf oleonard: I woudl guess so 13:08 kf the qa script only looks at the files the patch touches 13:09 oleonard I don't really want to change those lines in tiny_mce_gzip.pl because that's part of the TinyMCE package 13:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #1133 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1131 2 days 7 hr ago) 13:09 kf oleonard: makes sense to me - not it on the bug 13:10 kf oleonard: is it the qa script that fails or the normal test suite? 13:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_2835' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3d5bd5aa6cd6dc65fc840c2cbeeb0916f151661> / Bug 2835 - Inconsistent use of colon at the end of sentences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b3b942409fc87c828491275e7e866eb02d4671a> / Merge branch 'bug_9947' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d 13:11 oleonard I think it's the qa script kf 13:11 kf oleonard: that's good, so jenkins won't complain 13:22 * oleonard is happy everyone got their way on Bug 9571 13:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9571 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Fix width for textareas in Edit Item screen 13:26 David Hello .. I am receiving emails from the koha listserv .. but when I send I never get my message and do not get replies... but I do see other people's messages.. can someone help? Email is david.w.hartman@disney.com .. and sending to : Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz 13:26 kf hi David 13:26 kf have you checked you are properly subscribed to the list? 13:26 David Hi 13:26 wahanui privet, David 13:26 kf I think htat you don't get your own emails is a configuration thing 13:27 David How do I check that? 13:27 David I receive the other emails' 13:27 kf try to log in here: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha 13:27 David privet wahanui .. are you in Russia? 13:28 oleonard wahanui is a bot 13:28 kf David: wahanui is our friendly bot - he helps us remember things and greets 13:28 kf mailing lists? 13:28 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 13:28 kf see :) 13:30 David Ok, I just started over and requested a new username and password. Thanks all! 13:31 kf hope it helps 14:14 chris_n kf: patch for bug 9535 awaits sign-off 14:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9535 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Patron card creator "Remove duplicates" function doesn't work 14:18 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 14:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1133: FIXED in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1133/ 14:18 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 9952: translation of the "tab 0" in MARC detail 14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9571 [Alternate] Fix width for textareas in Edit Item screen 14:18 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9571 - Fix width for textareas in Edit Item screen 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9952 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , MARC tab: tab 0 is not translated correctly 14:18 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 9838: fix on 04patron_status.t 14:18 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9609: Rebuilding zebra reports double number of exported records. 14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9572 - Opac info tooltip from branches is not well positioned 14:18 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9572 follow-up: duplicate jQueryUI upgrade in CCSR 14:18 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9947 - Creating item for received serial prefills enumchron subfield 14:18 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 2835 - Inconsistent use of colon at the end of sentences 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9571 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Fix width for textareas in Edit Item screen 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9838 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , SIP tests : fix in 04patron_status.t 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9609 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Rebuild zebra reports double numbers for exported records with -z option 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9572 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Opac info tooltip from branches is not well positioned 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9947 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Creating item for received serial prefills enumchron subfield 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2835 trivial, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Inconsistent use of colon at the end of sentences 14:18 drojf if i made a patch for master to add or change zebra indexes (grs1), what would be the correct way to do the same for DOM? recreate biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml from the changed record.abs file and then recreate biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl from that and file a patch with the new versions of these files? 14:19 kf chris_n++ :) 14:19 kf drojf: nope, don't do that 14:19 kf jcamins: ping? 14:19 kf drojf: as I understood, the scripts are for record.abs to indexdefs thing were only thought to be used for migration of the indexes 14:20 kf not for later use 14:20 kf i think probaly only the second step? jared would know or gmcharlt 14:20 drojf isn't that kind of what i am trying to do? migrate a newer version 14:21 kf I think I meant introducing the new dom indexing 14:21 kf I think we have fixed some things in the xml file since 14:21 drojf oh if that is the case i shouldn't be doing it that way, that is true 14:22 * oleonard will test 9535 so that kf might qa it 14:22 drojf i could add it manually of course, but the file said it was generated so i thought adding things manually seems wrong 14:23 drojf only the xsl says it is generated, the other only has comments about lines in record.abs 14:29 drojf i think you are right kf, making changes manually and then running xsltproc koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl for the second part is what seems to be the correct way 14:33 gmcharlt right, for producing biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl 14:33 gmcharlt there would be a case to be made, actually for not keeping biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl in the repository, and just generating it when needed during installs 14:34 * jcamins would support that case. 14:34 drojf makes sense 14:38 jcamins So, anything interesting happen while I was on the subway? 14:40 oleonard We fixed all the bugs. 14:41 nengard I need git help again ... shocker 14:41 nengard I need to get manual3.10.x back to match what's in git 14:41 nengard Auto-merging en/manual.xml 14:41 nengard CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in en/manual.xml 14:41 nengard Automatic merge failed; fix conflicts and then commit the result. 14:42 nengard I don't care about the conflicts - I don't want those changes 14:42 jcamins Excellent. 14:42 jcamins nengard: git reset --hard origin/3.10.x 14:42 jcamins Or whatever your remote or branch is called. 14:43 nengard geeze - I need to write that one down :) 14:43 nengard thanks 14:43 jcamins And note that if you do that the changes will not be recoverable. 14:44 nengard don't care :) 14:44 nengard don't want them 14:44 nengard they're all wrong 14:44 nengard :) 14:44 jcamins Okay. 14:44 jcamins Just thought I should caution you about that. 14:45 jcamins Because that command is way more destructive than the usual reset. 14:49 * chris_n wonders what brand of bug spray oleonard is using today 14:50 jcamins chris_n: do you happen to remember what the symptoms of bug 5366 were? 14:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5366 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha does not work right with MariaDB 14:51 chris_n jcamins: I was attempting to recall the particulars, but cannot 14:51 chris_n mariadb syntax enforcement is more strict 14:51 chris_n iirc 14:51 jcamins Yeah, I'm just surprised I haven't noticed those problems. 14:52 chris_n I think there is a patch or two floating around 14:52 jcamins Yeah, they're on that bug. 14:52 jcamins :) 14:52 chris_n actually they may have been committed 14:52 jcamins I don't think so. 14:52 * chris_n is really out of touch, sorry 14:52 jcamins I think I tried applying them and they still applied. 14:52 chris_n I don't have mariadb on a dev machine atm or I would retest 14:53 chris_n but if it works for you, maybe it was something data-wise for me 14:53 jcamins Well, I couldn't say for sure that it works for me. 14:53 jcamins I'm using Plack so half the time things don't work anyway. 14:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #316 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:54 chris_n I seem to recall that inserts were not working as expected causing koha to either throw errors or fail silently... 14:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #316: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/316/ 14:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update info on upgarding a child patron 14:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update patron images 14:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update more patron module images 14:54 chris_n and that's not a lot of help 14:55 jcamins Well, either I'll try and figure out what was going on, or we'll wait until someone else encounters the same problem. 14:55 jcamins Probably the latter. 14:55 jcamins Or, I suppose, we could simply test the patches for regressions and push them. 14:55 jcamins Maybe that's the way to go. 14:56 jcamins Oh, wait. 14:57 jcamins It's import. 14:57 chris_n look back at my patches does not invoke any revelatory memories 14:57 jcamins Maybe that's related to... 14:57 jcamins @query plack 14:57 chris_n except that not null fields should probably have defaults assigned 14:57 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7172 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Omnibus for Plack variable scoping problems 14:57 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8866 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Plack - remove unneeded dbh->disconnects OMNIBUS 14:57 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8908 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Starman/Plack hangs when faced with zombie Zebra 14:57 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8970 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC import gives error under Starman/Plack 14:57 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9048 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Quote editor does not work under Plack 14:57 jcamins Bug 8970. 14:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8970 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC import gives error under Starman/Plack 14:58 chris_n wow... a zombie zebra 14:59 chris_n live ones are bad enough 15:00 chris_n jcamins: it seems the patches are pretty benign; there is some debug foo which should probably be removed from them 15:00 chris_n otherwise they should not introduce any regressions 15:02 jcamins Yeah, that's what I was thinking. 15:14 oleonard nengard: There are a few lines in your patch for circ help files which change "library" to "branch." Was that intentional? 15:14 nengard i copied from the manual 15:14 nengard so it must be like that in the manual 15:14 nengard and someone updated the help for 3.10 but not the manual :) 15:14 nengard I can submit a follow up 15:15 nengard after i update the manual 15:15 oleonard Okay 15:19 clkirby I'm new to Koha. I saw there was an RFC for "Batch Modification Biblio Record Level". Has this been developed? 15:20 jcamins I believe it failed QA, and will be reconsidered for Koha 3.14. 15:20 jcamins However, there is some code, so the prognosis is not bad. :) 15:22 oleonard Bug 5725 15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Batch modifications for Biblios 15:23 jcamins I think there is another related bug. 15:23 jcamins @query modification 15:23 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1088 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , expand independant branches functionallity 15:23 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=737 enhancement, P2, ---, magnus, NEW , Map of library in search system 15:23 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6532 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , way to move items in batches 15:23 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6546 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Batch modification tool should accept a biblionumber 15:23 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6668 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Marc batch edit will freeze after deselecting all items and saving, 15:23 oleonard Bug 8015? 15:23 jcamins @query marc modification 15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8015 enhancement, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Add MARC Modifications Templates 15:24 jcamins Yes. 15:24 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6668 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Marc batch edit will freeze after deselecting all items and saving, 15:24 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8015 enhancement, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Add MARC Modifications Templates 15:24 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places 15:24 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8304 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Signed Off , composed authorities Rameau management 15:24 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , updatedatabase improvements 15:24 oleonard Yes, 5725 is marked as depending on 8015 15:25 jcamins Oh, I thought they were opposing implementations. Huh. 15:25 oleonard I think they might be actually 15:25 kf bye all 15:26 oleonard Is there an acceptable way of making a tiny correction to a patch as I sign off on it? Literally a one character text change. 15:27 reiveune bye 15:30 drojf oleonard: i think i have mentioned correcting a typo in a signoff message and gotten away with it 15:30 chris_n oleonard: I have just noted the changes in the commit message as well 15:30 oleonard Do you squash your commit, or what? 15:30 jcamins Yeah, that is fine. 15:30 chris_n squash 15:32 jcamins Just amend the commit. 15:34 jcamins Or squash. 15:34 jcamins As you prefer. 15:34 jcamins Or squash. 15:34 jcamins Bah. 15:35 jcamins Key lag. 15:35 oleonard I don't think I understand what you mean by 'just amend the commit' jcamins 15:36 jcamins If you make the changes, add the changed files using git add, if you use `git commit --amend` your changes will get added to the patch. 15:36 jcamins So you don't need to do a squash step. 15:36 oleonard Ah, the git add step is the one I wasn't thinking of 15:37 * oleonard is too used to git commit -a 15:43 jcamins I never use git commit -a. 15:43 jcamins git add -u sometimes, but never commit -a. 15:44 drojf what is wrong with commit -a? 15:45 jcamins It will automatically delete files that I have removed from my working tree. 15:46 drojf oh! 15:47 jcamins Which, granted, is easy enough to fix with a simple reset, but I often delete PO files and regenerate them. 15:49 jcamins Robert Louis Stevenson wore the kind of tie that has two square ends and tied it so that the front-most end was shorter and a little to the left of the other. 15:49 * jcamins knows everyone was curious. 15:54 drojf jcamins: you had a tie club meeting? :) 15:54 jcamins drojf: no, but a portrait of him was the frontispiece of a book I just cataloged. 15:56 drojf slightly less fascinating now :P 15:56 jcamins I bet there _is_ a tie meet-up in New York. 16:00 drojf at a bar called "the tiebreaker" :D 16:01 jcamins Heh. 16:03 rambutan http://tinyurl.com/d64ksfy #h-online discussion of MySql et al 16:38 * drojf goes home 16:40 rambutan Experiences of Migrating to Open Source Integrated Library Systems de Vandana Singh 16:40 rambutan http://ejournals.bc.edu/ojs/index.php/ital/article/view/2268 16:41 rambutan current issue of ITAL 16:43 jcamins Did they at least get the link to Koha right? 16:45 oleonard There don't appear to be any links at all 16:45 jcamins Well, at least they didn't get it wrong. 16:47 rambutan No, I had to google all the links 16:48 jcamins [off] Of course, I can't help but feel that the author may have missed the point of citations if there is no link to Koha or Evergreen. 16:48 rambutan concur 16:50 oleonard [off] Maybe it's like Wikipedia only citing secondary sources... 16:51 jcamins [off] Yes! That's what original research is all about!! Wait... 16:51 * jcamins goes to eat some lunch. 17:19 rambutan Galen Charlton is chair, LITA - Open Source Systems Interest Group? I don't recall that info crossing my desk. 17:20 jcamins rambutan: that's what it said in the movers and shakers article. 17:20 rambutan And I missed the poll. http://connect.ala.org/node/78698 ex post facto I vote for OpenSuse 17:21 rambutan I'm gonna have to start watching that LITA group better. 17:21 * jcamins gets a sense that no one actually cares about free *nix OSes. 17:21 gmcharlt rambutan++ 17:22 rambutan I usually go to the LITA conferences. 17:22 * cait waves 17:24 rambutan gmcharlt: are you going to the LITA conference in June? 17:25 rambutan hi cait 17:27 gmcharlt rambutan: yes, I'll be going to ALA Annual this year 17:27 jcamins cait: "Folge"? 17:28 rambutan I think I'll go see if mommy and daddy have any money to send me. 17:28 jcamins "series" 17:28 jcamins LEO worked. 17:29 cait jcamins: now I feel replaced by a cheap online dictionary 17:29 jcamins Hehe. 17:29 jcamins I will make you feel better: 17:29 jcamins What is capitalized in "Die Briefe an Gräfin Sizzo 17:29 jcamins "? 17:30 cait looks correct 17:30 jcamins \o/ 17:30 cait the letters to countess(?) Sizzo 17:30 jcamins Ah. Gräfin = female Graf? 17:30 cait and now I feel like you don#t really need me :) 17:30 cait yep 17:31 jcamins Nifty! I learned a new German word! 17:31 cait and such an.. useful one 17:37 khall RFC: we have a library that would like to be able to type due dates in for circulation purposes, rather than being forced to use the calendar. I know this would open up the possibility for bad due dates to be entered. However, if it was a system preference that was off by default, would a patch to add this be allowed? 17:37 * khall looks at cait 17:37 cait why me? :) 17:37 jcamins I would have no objection, for 3.14. 17:37 cait I think you were able to do that and (bywater) killed it :) 17:38 cait because someone typed wrong due dates 17:38 khall cause your a tough customer ; ) 17:38 cait khall: look for a bug report from melia 17:38 jcamins Yeah, I seem to recall Melia reporting that as a bug. 17:38 jcamins I had always thought it a feature. 17:38 khall Yeah, I don't think it's a great idea, but if they are willing to take the risk while fully understanding the risk... 17:38 cait me too 17:38 melia and now that we've made it so that they can't type wrong due dates, someone is complaining that they liked typing it in better than using the calendar. sigh. 17:39 cait melia: not your fault - libaries 123... 17:39 cait :) 17:39 cait khall: didn't wnat to blame you - just saying I woudl like a pref for that 17:39 khall cait, definitely a pref. I wouldn't have it any other way! 17:40 jcamins cait: "Gesichte von Friedrich von Schiller" or "Gedichte von Friedrich von Schiller"? 17:40 jcamins I think the first makes sense. 17:40 melia maybe sys pref with a note that you must type in a 4 digit year? or is it possible to only allow them to type in a 4 digit year? 17:40 cait Geschichte or Gedichte 17:40 cait the story of or the lyrics from 17:40 melia (the probably before was that they typed just 2 digits for the year and got a due date in 1913 instead of 2013) 17:40 jcamins Ah, probably gedichte then. 17:40 jcamins Thanks. 17:43 cait jcamins: could also be gesichter.... faces... 17:43 cait :P 17:43 jcamins lol 17:43 jcamins I think it's probably Gedichte. 17:43 cait but I guess you are probably right about the lyrics 17:43 cait :) 17:46 cait melia: should be possible to check that with javascript - but has to take into account different date formats 17:49 melia yep that sounds good, cait 17:52 * druthb chucks some Rice-a-Roni at melia. 17:52 melia lol Rice-a-Roni 17:53 * druthb thinks melia is a better San Francisco Treat than Rice-a-Roni. 17:53 melia haha thanks druthb :) 18:11 oleonard Oh Liblime Academic Koha is up to 5.4! That version numbering shows real restraint. 18:11 jcamins melia: are there any plans to release the RDA stylesheets that ByWater is using? 18:12 melia jcamins: you might ask nengard or bag or edveal about that when they're around, but none of them are here right now. I don't know much about RDA myself, sorry. 18:13 jcamins Personally, I don't see the need for a custom stylesheet. 18:13 jcamins RDA isn't actually useful to real users. 18:13 jcamins I'm just surprised to see ByWater advertising one. 18:13 * druthb loses the betting pool. She'd bet that someone would have pointed that out before now. 18:14 jcamins druthb: I pointed that out years ago. 18:14 jcamins Then I ignored it. 18:14 oleonard rangi says it every chance he gets :) 18:14 jcamins And now I'm going back to ignoring RDA. 18:14 druthb 'bout as useful as a screen door on a submarine. 18:14 jcamins lol 18:15 jcamins Do you have an endless supply of those "as useful as" analogies? 18:15 druthb not endless. But large. 18:15 druthb Some suitable for mixed company, some not. 18:17 rambutan druthb: <submarine joke> <-- funny 18:17 jcamins Hehe. .Dinner party disasters. That sounds like a fun book. 18:18 cait or the poor horror :) 18:18 druthb thanks, rambutan. :) 18:22 gmcharlt thinking of doing a koha-community.org blog post similar to what I'm proposing to do for Evergreen: http://paste.lisp.org/display/136457#1 18:22 gmcharlt I'd appreciate thoughts on the idea and the wording 18:22 * jcamins is all for it, and suggests changing the wording to mention Koha instaed of Evergreen. 18:23 gmcharlt jcamins: well, yeah :) 18:23 oleonard jcamins: :P 18:25 druthb @quote random 18:25 huginn druthb: Quote #144: "library_systems_guy: (xslt) looks like html and lisp had an ugly baby." (added by wizzyrea at 08:48 PM, June 30, 2011) 18:34 cait gmcharlt: i like the idea 18:34 cait :) 18:35 rangi Hmm wasn't Jeff asking about all the koha API last week? 18:36 jcamins Yup. 18:36 jcamins He's doing a presentation on library APIs and potential avenues for inter-ILS cooperation. 18:37 jcamins I think. 18:37 rangi There's your list there gmcharlt :) 18:37 rangi I'm pretty sure he got them all 18:37 jcamins I thought the goal was to find *users* of those APIs. 18:38 gmcharlt jcamins: indeed, it is 18:38 gmcharlt and I have been talking with jeff as well 18:38 rangi Well having a list of them all is a good start, it looks like there are a few more than in the evergreen list 18:40 rangi I like the idea 18:44 rangi My stop bbiab 18:49 rangi @wunder nzwn 18:49 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on April 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 18:49 rangi Gah 18:50 rangi It really needs to rain for about 3 days solid 18:50 jcamins Still hasn't rained? 18:51 rangi Not enough to be useful 18:52 cait mostly cloudy... maybe there is hope? 18:59 oleonard Joining on biblio.biblionumber = items.itemnumber turns out to not be so useful. 19:00 cait heh 19:00 cait long day? 19:00 cait it was here 19:00 * cait is going to retest 7518 19:00 cait bug 7518 19:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , searches with quotation marks don't work 19:04 rangi back 19:05 cait bah, my zebrea is annoying 19:05 cait not searching 19:05 rangi oleonard: did you see i think i fixed that 8278 one? 19:05 oleonard Oh yeah, I did. Looks like it was something dumb which I should have caught :( 19:05 jcamins Look on the good side... if you don't use Plack, a Zebra problem will probably not cause the server to go bananas. 19:06 * cait reindexes 19:10 cait morning kathryn 19:10 kathryn morning cait and all :) 19:10 kathryn greetings of the appropriate hour... 19:11 cait ugh 19:11 cait 21:07:10-02/04 zebraidx(9363) [warn] isamb: Inconsistent register (2) 19:11 cait zebraidx: isamb.c:1102: insert_leaf: Assertion `*lookahead_mode' failed. 19:11 cait ?? 19:12 jcamins I've seen that when ICU is configured wrong. 19:12 jcamins My usual solution is to just rerun the installer. 19:12 cait jcamins: I just did rerun the installer 19:12 jcamins Ouch. 19:12 cait to activate icu 19:12 jcamins And you used -r? 19:12 cait nope, but I am doing it with -r now 19:12 cait thx :) 19:13 jcamins Ah. 19:13 cait hope it helps, waiting 19:13 jcamins 15 hours to the meeting. 19:13 druthb ooooh…middle-of-the-wee-hours, for us, then 19:13 cait oh 19:13 cait voting meeting 19:13 cait 15... 19:13 jcamins By the way, I'm number 6! 19:13 cait ah, lunch time 19:14 jcamins If I refuse to give over the master branch for another week or two, I could be number five! :) 19:14 jcamins I don't think I'll do that, though. 19:14 oleonard gmcharlt++ # for the reminder 19:15 * gmcharlt stocks up on coffee 19:16 cait jcamins: thought you already have it a bit longer? 19:16 jcamins cait: I have it until I pass it off to gmcharlt. 19:16 cait good news, reindex finished without werid messages this time :) 19:17 cait ok, bad news, my search still does not owrk :( 19:17 jcamins :( 19:17 cait ideas welcome 19:18 cait can't do qa when zebra is sick 19:18 rambutan 5:00 am 19:18 jcamins What changed? 19:19 cait i reran the makefile process switching to icu 19:19 cait but I don't know if it worked earlier today 19:19 jcamins Well, when did it last work? 19:19 cait hm 19:19 cait yesterday 19:19 wahanui yesterday is all wizzyrea's troubles seemed so far away 19:19 cait lol 19:20 jcamins And you restarted Zebra, right? 19:20 cait yep 19:20 cait but doing it again to make sure 19:20 cait no change 19:21 cait how annoying 19:22 rangi hm 11pm tonight 19:22 cait oh interesting 19:22 wahanui interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:23 * druthb pokes wahanui 19:23 cait search is broken without queryparser 19:23 cait yep 19:23 cait totally broken without query parser 19:23 cait does that make any sense? 19:24 jcamins No. 19:25 jcamins And it worked with QP disabled for me yesterday. 19:25 jcamins So if something new broke it, it's something I *just* pushed. 19:25 jcamins Which should make it easy to revert. 19:26 cait maybe it's the combinaton of search prefs I have 19:26 jcamins Such as auto-truncate with ICU? 19:26 cait exactly 19:26 jcamins Yeah, search works for me both with and without QP. 19:27 jcamins Tsk tsk. 19:27 jcamins :P 19:27 cait wow 19:27 cait can I file that as bug? 19:27 cait automatic truncating works 19:27 cait not automatically truncating = search dies 19:29 jcamins Yes, that sounds like a bug. 19:29 oleonard But I fixed all the bugs this morning! 19:30 jcamins It's supposed to be broken in the other direction. 19:32 cait jcamins: i amnot ure which I prefer 19:32 cait bug 9976 19:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9976 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , QueryAutoTruncate can break search when ICU is activated 19:33 cait but: the automatic truncation works. 19:33 cait the left truncation that is. 19:33 cait Gesch finds geschichte without any problems 19:35 * cait wonders why oleonard is not a bug wrangler 19:35 cait because he IS one 19:35 oleonard I'll be a bug wrangler whether everyone wants me to be or not ;) 19:36 cait magnus is the only one so far 19:36 cait trying to recruit some more :) 19:36 gmcharlt ninjas! 19:36 gmcharlt what we need are more bug ninjas! 19:36 jcamins I encouraged someone to run for bug wrangler. 19:36 cait heh 19:38 oleonard jcamins: Did Myshkin say he was more of a birder? 19:38 cait bird wrangler? 19:38 jcamins oleonard: yeah. 19:38 jcamins He's downright fierce when birds get close to the window. 19:39 rangi oleonard: RDA sux! (just reading back, didnt want to dissapoint you) 19:40 cait I still can't reproduce bug 7518 19:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , searches with quotation marks don't work 19:40 jcamins Oh, right. 19:40 jcamins That's because you're using ICU. 19:40 jcamins I just realized. 19:41 cait I was told I had to use icu to reproduce 19:41 cait i couldn't reproduce it with grs 19:41 * cait is confused now 19:41 * druthb blames talljoy 19:41 talljoy lol 19:41 talljoy :-P 19:42 jcamins Hm. 19:42 jcamins I thought I fixed the problem with ICU. 19:43 cait jcamins: which of the many problems? 19:43 jcamins The quotation mark problem. 19:44 jcamins I thought this was a patch for the "single double quotation mark in the middle of a CCL query when ICU is disabled results in breakage and misery" problem. 19:44 jcamins Ignore me, because apparently it isn't. 19:48 cait a single quotation mark? 19:48 * cait tries that 19:49 jcamins No, a single double quotation mark. 19:49 cait yep, still looks fixed 19:49 jcamins Well, good. 19:49 cait gesch "drucktechnik 19:49 cait works 19:49 jcamins Ask Fridolyn to reconfirm the problem on master? 19:52 * cait is mean and fails it for not being able to reproduce 19:52 cait did exactly that 19:53 * druthb ignores cait thinking she's being mean. 20:15 oleonard Bye #koha 20:15 wizzyrea byee! 21:28 mtj hey wizzyrea, you about? 21:31 eythian mtj: she's not 21:31 mtj heres a random idea... 21:31 eythian mtj, jcamins: re the packaging changes: 21:31 mtj what do people think about swapping out C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm with a nice human readable .yaml file 21:32 eythian <dam> eythian: bad (unnecessary), if the version in perl-modules is enough 21:32 eythian <Dom> dam: eythian: and will be a noop if they are unversioned (since the Provides will satisfy the dep) and catch http://lintian.debian.org/tags/versioned-dependency-satisfied-by-perl.html if versioned 21:32 mtj oooh, good info 21:32 eythian so we should only do it if we need a newer version than that in perl-modules. 21:33 eythian and if that happens, we need to make some changes anyway because the concept of that isn't supported. 21:34 mtj right 21:35 mtj twas good to get a definative answer on that one 21:53 mtj eythian, i'll change the packaging patch to do that then ^^ 21:54 eythian to do versioning? 21:55 eythian I wouldn't unless it was necessary, in which case I'd do it case-by-case. I'm not sure I trust Koha's dep versions as real minimums. You'll also have to check every one to make sure it matches up with the debian version (it should, but may not) 22:16 mtj no no… to explicitly ignore alternative perl packages, and always use perl-module instead 22:16 mtj eythian ^^ 22:17 eythian Ah right. 22:17 eythian Well, if perl-modules is an option, then it should just ignore that dependency as we know it'll be there anyway 22:17 mtj yep 22:17 mtj thats what a really meant 22:18 mtj s/a/i 22:19 jcamins mtj: I think changing the format for dependencies is an excellent idea. 22:20 mtj cool, me too... 22:20 jcamins Ideally there should be some way to specify rpm and apt packages, for those dependencies which cannot be derived from the file name. 22:21 eythian we can always derive them from the filename for apt. Not sure about rpm. 22:22 jcamins eythian: there were a few packages you had special cased. 22:22 jcamins Did we manage to fix that? 22:22 eythian yeah, that was because I hadn't set the k-c repo to work with apt-file 22:22 eythian it's fixed now 22:22 jcamins Oh. 22:23 jcamins Excellent! 22:36 jcamins dcook: BTW, I pushed both your original patch and oleonard's counter-patch. Could you please just take a quick look and confirm it looks good to you? 22:37 dcook jcamins: sure 22:38 jcamins Thanks. It looked good to me in FF and Chrome on a Mac, but I know that Owen's counter-patch didn't look quite right to you. 22:42 dcook I appreciate you taking the time to ask :) 22:43 dcook Yeah, I thought the counter-patch was a bit off in FF and Chrome, so I preferred the CSS. 22:43 dcook This looks good though. 22:44 bag hey afternoon all 22:44 bag late start for me today 22:45 dcook hey bag 22:45 bag hey there dcook 22:46 dcook Have a good Easter? 22:46 bag oh 3am meeting time for me…. don't think I will make it :( 22:46 bag yes Easter was nice - we had some lamb.. how about yours? 22:47 jcamins bag: good, I was planning on volunteering you for all the unpleasant tasks. :P 22:47 jcamins gmcharlt too. 22:47 jcamins And melia. 22:47 bag sweet :) bring it on 22:47 melia heh 22:47 bag I'll split them up with melia and gmcharlt 22:47 dcook It was pretty good. We had a spicy vegan nut loaf and roast veggies. And beer...a bottomless cooler of beer. 22:48 bag HA nice 22:48 bag just a little white wine here 22:48 jcamins I keep on forgetting that it was Easter on Sunday. 22:49 bag yeah we celebrate the meal and nothing more than that really. more excuses to cook a fancy sunday dinner 22:50 dcook Same here, although now that I think about it...we had the Easter meal on Friday or Saturday (as folks had to work later in the weekend). 22:51 dcook Sunday...I think that was spent bushwalking. Lots of wraps and chocolate. Finally tried out tempeh with some spices. Quite the fan now. 22:51 dcook Hmm 9pm meeting time. That's almost doable, except I have plans tonight. Foiled! 22:51 * jcamins adds dcook to the list of people he will volunteer for unpleasant tasks. 22:51 dcook hehe 22:52 * eythian plans to try to make it, what with all the delegation going on... 22:52 dcook I wonder if I can use mibbit from my phone... 22:53 dcook Might be bad form socially 22:53 eythian dcook: just install an IRC client on your phone. 22:54 * jcamins waits impatiently for the pierogis to heat up. 22:54 dcook eythian: Any that you would recommend? 22:54 dcook O_O 22:54 * dcook is infinitely jealous of jcamins at this moment 22:54 eythian dcook: I use AndChat. 22:54 eythian it works well 22:54 dcook Australia is pretty great in a lot of ways, but they are woefully deficient in the pierogi department... 22:55 dcook Sweet. I'll try it out, eythian :) 22:56 dcook I have a rather ancient smartphone, but finally upgraded to Gingerbread last night, so that seems to have improved things 22:57 jcamins dcook: they're really easy to make. 22:58 jcamins I mean, it took a while, unsurprisingly, since I made about 100. 22:58 jcamins But it wasn't difficult. 22:58 dcook Are they good? 22:58 dcook I've had many a subpar pierogi, so I'm a bit...jaded 22:59 dcook Mind you, no one can make them as well as my Ukrainian grandmother, so maybe I'm just spoiled 22:59 dcook She might be magic 23:00 dcook Not that I doubt your cooking abilities, jcamins :p 23:01 jcamins Very good. 23:01 jcamins I've had better, but that's the fault of what I put in them. 23:01 jcamins Which was "oh, whatever I have on hand." 23:01 * jcamins goes to eat them! 23:03 dcook Bon appétit! 23:04 dcook Is this a recipe or jcamins' brain dish? 23:14 jcamins jcamins' brain. 23:15 jcamins Well, I might have used a recipe for the dough. 23:16 jcamins Yeah, I think I did, actually. 23:16 jcamins I followed the recipe in my Afghan cookbook. 23:17 dcook Delicious? 23:20 jcamins Yes.