Time Nick Message
23:45 wizzyrea i like it!
23:35 gmcharlt signal for us to design and fly a Koha flag?
23:30 * wizzyrea boggles some more.
23:24 jcamins Flagging. :P
23:23 * wizzyrea runs screaming
23:23 wizzyrea but flag for what?!
23:21 wizzyrea lol fair enough
23:21 jcamins And redundant!
23:21 jcamins Obvious tautology is obvious!
23:21 jcamins I think we concluded it just means "flag."
23:21 jcamins wizzyrea: no.
23:20 wizzyrea ?
23:20 wizzyrea does anyone here know what the "flag" hidden value in the framework editor does/
23:01 wizzyrea because you never know which part of a crazy idea will be actually practical someday.
23:01 wizzyrea liw - and we like crazy ideas here
23:00 wizzyrea kind of like rottentomatoes
23:00 wizzyrea it only goes after "professional" reviews
23:00 wizzyrea yep
23:00 jcamins Yeah, but it's rather more centralized.
23:00 wizzyrea reviews*
23:00 wizzyrea liw - idreambooks.com kin of does that - it aggregates review
22:57 jcamins [off] BTW, for those of you following along with the Biblionarrator saga, I have a bona fide user now!
22:53 liw (I might talk about my idea for a "e-book library on a uSD card" idea some day, once I've thought about it some more)
22:52 * jcamins has been known to talk about his new catalog, Biblionarrator, on #koha.
22:52 jcamins Hehe.
22:52 liw 'm hijacking #koha to spout my crazy ideas, and it's past bedtime already...
22:51 liw but, on the other hand, I'd like something based on "I'd like to see what my friends like", in the PGP web of trust style... but this is getting too complicated to describe over irc, and I
22:50 liw but it does have a strong point in that users mostly vote the good stuff up
22:50 liw Conde Nast, specifically
22:50 * jcamins did not know that.
22:50 liw reddit is also centralized, and already owned by a large media corp :)
22:50 jcamins *?
22:49 jcamins liw: right, reddit has all the problems you mentioned, but isn't that basically what reddit is (full disclosure: I am not a redditor).
22:49 liw jcamins, reddit has its share of shrewd marketers who push good stuff about themselves onto the front pages of various subreddits, such as TIL
22:48 jcamins Minus the seedier bits.
22:48 jcamins liw: ... reddit?
22:47 liw I have, from time to time, pondered on a possible federated or distributed solution to reviews: people publish them on their own sites (or blogs), and dedicated search engines gather and process the data -- and anyone can set one of those up -- but I haven't come up with a solution to the fundamental problem of scamming, spamming, hoaxing, and marketing
22:47 wizzyrea much to the dismay of freedom and openness lovers everywhere.
22:45 jcamins That is true.
22:45 wizzyrea i'm sad to report that i'm not sure anyone is safe from evil empires.
22:44 wizzyrea not so good.
22:44 wizzyrea aw
22:44 liw Amazon bought Goodreads
22:44 wizzyrea aw what happened?
22:42 jcamins liw: yeah, now it just has to show up.
22:41 liw that opens an opportunity for a new competitor, preferably one designed so it will stay out of the hands of the evil empires
22:33 jcamins All... week.
22:33 bag I thought that could have been "good" :P
22:33 jcamins It was nice while it lasted.
22:33 bag so much
22:32 jcamins So much for Goodreads offering an alternative source of reviews, eh?
22:12 * wizzyrea waves
20:53 bag heya cait
20:47 * cait waves
20:41 wahanui salut, bag
20:41 bag hi
20:41 huginn rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 3 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <bag> nevermind :)
20:41 rambutan @seen bag
20:37 edveal hello rambutan
20:36 huginn rambutan: edveal was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 29 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <edveal> hi druthb
20:36 rambutan @seen edveal
20:36 huginn rambutan: trea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 22 hours, 38 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <trea> o/
20:36 rambutan @seen trea
19:58 rambutan ping bob
19:45 oleonard Bye #koha
19:14 jcamins microsoft-- # good point, the company is definitely responsible for the software
19:11 druthb microsoft--
19:10 jcamins ms_access--
18:48 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.
18:48 druthb @later tell gaetan_B in re: your note about right-to-left, I've had occasion to work at that. Longer message via list later tonight.
18:29 gaetan_B bye !
17:29 kf happy Easter - friday and monday are holdiays here :)
17:28 kf bgkriegel++
16:07 reiveune bye
16:07 edveal hi druthb
16:06 druthb :P
16:05 melia hi druthb :)
16:05 * druthb waves to melia
15:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add another reference to items.fine
15:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add items.fine notation
15:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #312: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/312/
15:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #312 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9917 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Routing list tab on patron account should depend on syspref/permission
15:46 oleonard Hopefully Bug 9917 can be added to 3.10.x too
15:24 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix capitalization
15:24 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add renewal period to circ/fine matrix
15:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #311: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/311/
15:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #311 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:15 * oleonard is fixing
15:15 kf *sigh*
15:15 oleonard *and* the routing lists tab doesn't have correct capitalization :P
15:12 kf oh yes, forgot to file that
15:07 oleonard Hm, the routing lists tab got added to circ-menu.inc but not circ-menu.tt
15:04 kf oleonard: well... I didn't state it was healthy
15:04 oleonard I'm all, "Hey I know that guy!"
15:04 paul_p oleonard ;-)
15:04 * oleonard always gets disoriented when paul_p appears on the DRUPAL4LIB mailing list :)
15:02 oleonard Hiding in Search.pm is like hiding in a dark cave full of spiders. Why would you want to?
15:02 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #103: "<cait>: Nobody can find you hiding in Search.pm ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 09:18 PM, November 13, 2010)
15:02 gmcharlt @quote random
15:01 oleonard But it could certainly be fixed in stages.
15:00 oleonard If the syspref is on, people still don't need to see the tab if they're not on any lists. So there ought to be more to it.
15:00 kf indesign--
15:00 kf can see routing lists?
15:00 kf so do we need another?
14:59 oleonard Yeah I don't think so
14:59 kf that's why I am not sure it fits
14:59 kf build
14:59 oleonard Give you the right to be on a routing list? Or give you the right to build a routing list?
14:59 kf but you wanted it to go down
14:59 oleonard What does routing permission do?
14:59 kf ah
14:59 oleonard That would be the top-level check, yeah
14:58 kf only makes sense if you use routing lists anyway
14:58 kf maybe just make it depend on the pref?
14:57 oleonard I don't know how much that repeated query matters
14:57 oleonard I would think we shouldn't show the tab if the patron isn't on any routing lists, but that may not be the most efficient way to do it
14:56 oleonard I haven't looked into it. I would be willing if it is within my capabilities.
14:55 kf oleonard: does it mean you are going to fix it? :)
14:55 kf oleonard: yeah... I figured tht woudl happen here too
14:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9917 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Routing list tab on patron account should depend on syspref/permission
14:53 oleonard My library is on 3.10.3 now (just upgraded from 3.8.5), and the only comment I've gotten so far about the changes is to point out Bug 9917
14:50 kf :)
14:42 marcelr i will see it later; bye
14:41 marcelr very good; did you find other occurrences?
14:41 bgkriegel yes, in a minute
14:40 marcelr bgkriegel: are you signing off on the followups?
14:39 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update offline circ
14:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #310: SUCCESS in 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/310/
14:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #310 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:24 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update circ menu image
14:24 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC & HighlightOwnItemsOnOPACWhich
14:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #309: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/309/
14:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #309 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9579 major, P1 - high, ---, fridolyn.somers, Failed QA , Incorrect display of UNICODE symbols in 'Refine Search Results'
14:19 bgkriegel marcelr++, you have fixed Bug 9579 as well. Our friend Karam will be very happy
14:12 jcamins Heh.
14:10 oleonard Not long enough I guess. I was going to go with "Thinking about cats."
14:10 jcamins oleonard: You've been working with me for how long? I figured you should just be able to intuit it.
14:09 oleonard jcamins: How should we know? It's not in the log!
14:09 jcamins Oh! Security.
14:09 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update reports section with new group options
14:09 jcamins I got up for a glass of water, and now that I've come back I can't remember.
14:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #308: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/308/
14:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #308 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:09 jcamins What was I doing five minutes ago?
13:55 oleonard Not that I really want them public, I just want to be able to get at the JSON from outside Koha
13:54 kf exactly :)
13:53 oleonard No, just wanting to do some things with public reports :)
13:53 kf oleonard: that sounds like you are working on a nice feature? :)
13:50 oleonard I guess a follow up could be to allow passing limit numbers to be passed to opac/svc/report
13:50 jcamins Really? I would've thought that I complained to myself.
13:49 kf yeah, because I complained to you :D
13:49 jcamins *knew
13:49 jcamins I know I'd done it.
13:49 kf ;)
13:49 jcamins kf: ohhh, that's how I got a higher number.
13:49 kf oleonard: maybe set that high and then use limit in the sql?
13:49 kf jcamins, oleonard: jcmains did a syspref for that I think - how many max
13:49 marcelr tested with %.. etc
13:49 marcelr we do not need it; cgi will take care of that correctly
13:48 marcelr i will resubmit two patches without uri_unescape
13:48 bgkriegel ok :)
13:48 marcelr shoud be solved now'\
13:48 bgkriegel with the last patch, fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8
13:48 marcelr i resubmitted one of the patches
13:47 marcelr what exactly
13:47 bgkriegel marcelr, I have the same problem that jcamins menitioned
13:46 jcamins oleonard: I don't think you can get more than 20 results without specifying a custom limit.
13:46 marcelr i will check gitrc
13:46 marcelr jcamins: that was gone now
13:46 oleonard Are public reports automatically limited?
13:46 jcamins marcelr: you can fix the UTF-8utf-8 problem by removing the UTF-8 line in your ~/.gitrc
13:45 marcelr pings bgkriegel
13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9915 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Allow opac/svc/report to be passed sql parameters
13:44 wahanui Bug 9915 is, like, a nice one
13:44 oleonard Bug 9915
13:43 jcamins But, I don't think they can yet.
13:43 jcamins oleonard: there's a patch for that.
13:42 oleonard Can public reports use runtime parameters?
12:58 bgkriegel marcelr++ of course! I was reading that bug earlier.
12:57 marcelr :)
12:57 kf marcelr++ too :)
12:55 marcelr bgkriegel++
12:54 kf oleonard: oh
12:54 kf bgkriegel++
12:54 kf :)
12:54 marcelr great !
12:54 bgkriegel i'll look
12:53 marcelr i was working on 6554; if you would have some time..
12:53 oleonard I don't think it is for most people kf. Not for me (although I'm taking vacation)
12:53 bgkriegel yes
12:53 marcelr bgkriegel: you use a lot of diacritics?
12:52 bgkriegel hi marcelr
12:52 marcelr hi bgkriegel
12:52 bgkriegel Hi oleonard
12:52 marcelr hi oleonard
12:52 kf is tomorrow a holiday in US?
12:52 kf hi oleonard :)
12:52 oleonard Hi #koha
11:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Failed QA , Broken encoding in members home/search page
11:59 marcelr Joubu: sent this example as followup for bug 6554
11:55 marcelr will send this in a patch
11:54 marcelr i mean: my $searchfield = uri_unescape($input->param('searchfield')); utf8::decode($searchfield); and add a use in the file
11:53 marcelr followed by a decode
11:53 marcelr my $searchfield = uri_unescape($input->param('searchfield'));
11:53 marcelr Joubu: this should do the job in prefs.pl:
11:46 marcelr we should adjust these ones
11:46 marcelr yes, there are some instances left where the url parameter is not decoded
11:45 marcelr dobrica did some of these changes in other scripts already
11:45 Joubu marcelr: but after a patron search (member.pl), the input is filled with �
11:45 marcelr Joubu: i think we should look for searchfield in preferences.pl and decode correctly
11:44 Joubu marcelr: no real reason :)
11:43 marcelr why do you comment line 302?
11:43 Joubu marcelr: english template
11:43 Joubu marcelr: I applied the 2 patches on 6554 and I commented the l.302 in C4/Output.pm and I don't have the é
11:43 marcelr Joubu: english template or french?
11:41 marcelr Joubu: you do not have the é ?
11:39 marcelr current master+ git bz 6554 ?
11:39 marcelr no other changes?
11:37 Joubu marcelr: So, in your last patch, if I keep the deletion of binmode and the change in C4::XSLT, it works (for pref and patron). Maybe something else is broken
11:32 Joubu I commented
11:32 marcelr ok
11:32 Joubu #utf8::encode($data);
11:32 Joubu ho yes, sorry. In fact I commented out l.302 in C4::Output
11:31 marcelr i search for é in prefs
11:30 Joubu hum... I retest
11:30 marcelr with the first patch only, i still have : No system preferences matched your search for é
11:30 marcelr hi Joubu: i checked your remark on 6554
11:29 Joubu marcelr: yep
11:29 marcelr case sensitive? Joubu
11:29 marcelr joubu there?
11:24 clrh and kf :)
11:24 clrh ok jcamins thanks
11:10 marcelr thx
11:10 kf but your solution sounds good to me
11:10 kf I will check it - don't worry about it
11:09 kf so that makes perfect sense - thx!
11:09 kf seeing it in 3.6
11:09 kf ok
11:09 kf aah
11:09 marcelr no it was there in 3.8 i think
11:09 kf because I get : at the end of my titles often in my notices
11:08 kf marcelr: do you know if this is a new bheaviour?
11:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9886 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ParseLetter removes too often punctuation characters from fields
11:08 marcelr bug 9886
11:07 marcelr kf: i made some kind of compromise for the parseletter problem with punctuation
11:06 kf hi Viktor
10:59 kf morning jcamins
10:53 jcamins clrh: someone had asked me about it, but decided not to pursue it.
10:08 another_peter goodnight all
10:05 kf but I don't remember who it was and if it was done or not... so I am quite confused :)
10:05 kf someone talked to me about it
10:05 kf the problem is
10:04 clrh kf: not sure too ;) but sometimes, people talk about things they done on koha-devel :)
10:03 kf jcamins I mean? he might know if this has come up as part of the search rewrite or if someone asked for it
10:02 kf clrh: hm not sure, but maybe ask jared?
09:59 clrh workaround or whatever :)
09:59 clrh Do you know if there is tries about indexing full text (pdf) and search in opac ?
08:55 marcelr sounds safe :)
08:46 kf [off] admin / admin
08:46 kf [off] http://demo-kobli.bage.es:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/translations_manager.pl
08:46 kf hmm
08:30 marcelr hi francharb
08:26 francharb good morning
08:22 kf maybe
08:22 kf heh
08:22 marcelr time for a easter egg in koha?
08:21 kf and happy easter holidays to everyone (so I don't forget later :) )
08:21 kf hi marcelr :)
08:19 gaetan_B good morning marcelr :)
08:17 clrh hello marcelr :)
08:17 marcelr hi gaetan_B
08:16 gaetan_B hello
08:16 chinu123 hi
08:16 marcelr hi joubu chinu123 clrh and kf
08:14 kf hi #koha
08:05 clrh bonjour
08:02 chinu123 hello
08:01 Joubu hello #koha
07:48 chinu123 is there any facility wherein we can enter these fields in advance (like we do it in case of city,country etc while entering member db)
07:46 chinu123 hello, can anybody tell me how to avoid repetitive cataloguing like author name, publisher etc?
07:43 marcelr hi another_peter
07:43 another_peter good morning]
07:42 marcelr hi #koha
07:39 reiveune hello
07:14 cait and now I have to leave to work :)
07:13 another_peter thanks :)
07:10 cait but we are not overly pedantic
07:10 cait instead of things that do too many things at once
07:10 cait the goal of separate bugs is in part to have well testable patches
07:09 cait the commit message should have something about the carp probably
07:09 cait i think you can put all that in one patch
07:07 another_peter I will raise the bug for the harder-to-fix script in the interim.
07:07 another_peter cait: you are probably the person I should address those queries towards, if you have time.
07:06 another_peter next question, in touching the .tt file, I notice that the succeeding message is missing a full stop (inside a string). Can I sneak that in? A bug + QA cycle for a one-byte string change seems rather pedantic. It is literally one or two lines away from code I am changing anyway.
07:05 another_peter but should that have its own bug?
07:05 another_peter I've had to touch two other little perl scripts to make the change, one of which I could easily make carp if it sees this error (that seems the right thing to do, it is a cron job)
07:05 another_peter I have therefore raised another bug for it not automatically deleting history on return
07:04 another_peter I am trying to fix a bug about not being able to delete history in the OPAC
07:04 another_peter I am trying to find the right middle ground between going mad on process, and doing things The Right Way.
06:50 cait now he was gone fast
06:50 cait oh
06:50 dcook Nice meeting you, another_peter
06:50 dcook Hope the snow isn't too bad, cait
06:50 dcook In any case, I'm actually leaving this time :p
06:49 dcook spring is around the corner?
06:48 * cait complains about the snow
06:37 dcook Koha as stress relief. I like it.
06:37 dcook I sometimes ponder what the future might be like if/when I'm no longer coding Koha on work time
06:37 another_peter i also have three children, 12 acres, a kunekune pig, sheep, and other similar demands on my time. but this works well with physical tiredness and being tired of reading/writing legalese.
06:37 dcook Ahh, I see I see
06:36 another_peter i mostly negotiate contracts and decide how much to charge for things and manage projects, so I don't get to write code normally in work time
06:35 another_peter till I get bored with it... I am doing this in not-work-time - i do not have work time to spend on it
06:35 dcook How long are you going to be koha-hacking?
06:34 dcook hehe
06:34 another_peter (i took a couple of years off to fix/break/change the electricity market in western australia)
06:34 another_peter dcook: since jan 2005 :) but i have not been koha-hacking.
06:33 dcook Perhaps I should Google before I speak :p
06:33 dcook How long have you been at Catalyst, another_peter? I haven't been around IRC much these past couple weeks, but it's always nice to see someone new (at least new to me :P)
06:31 dcook I can't recall off the top of my head
06:31 dcook Possibly :P
06:31 another_peter <div class="dialog error"> is really very low key. don't we have an angry red style? :)
06:30 dcook Generally speaking, people will ask you to change your style to accord with the norm during sign off/QA
06:30 another_peter thanks much
06:30 * dcook should really remember to read that sometime...
06:30 dcook another_peter: You could take a look at this wiki page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
06:21 * another_peter has gone with if (! ... ) instead to avoid controversy
06:19 another_peter apologies for the missing apostrophe
06:19 another_peter i hear that it makes non-perl-programmers eyes bleed
06:19 another_peter does koha have a style guide so i can find out if you'll beat me for using unless () {} else {} ?
05:27 another_peter noted, thanks
05:26 cait normally only qa team can
05:25 cait just know this is only because it's related to packages
05:24 another_peter thanks even
05:24 another_peter thankjs
05:24 another_peter cool. if it's up to him, and he has said earlier on the bug he is happy to qa approve it, i will gently encourage him
05:24 cait but it's up to him
05:24 another_peter I know this is not anyone's top priority :)
05:23 cait if it's packaging some different rules apply
05:23 dcook cait: Just about ;). Heading home early today but I'm trying to do a few last minute things :P
05:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9885 normal, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Signed Off , Passwords generated by command line scripts are weak
05:20 another_peter bug 9885
05:19 another_peter cait: a process question - is eythian allowed to qa-approve a patch that I, a fellow Catalyst person, have done? it has been signed off by magnus already.
05:19 cait about to go home? ;)
05:19 cait hi dcook
05:17 dcook hola cait :)
05:14 dcook sure thing :)
05:14 another_peter dcook: thanks.
05:12 dcook kf++
05:12 huginn dcook: qa-team has neutral karma.
05:12 dcook @karma qa-team
05:11 huginn dcook: Karma for "qa_team" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
05:11 dcook @karma qa_team
05:11 huginn dcook: Karma for "qa" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
05:11 dcook @karma qa
05:11 dcook paul_p++
05:10 * dcook notes that the bugs needing sign off is under 100 ^_^
05:09 dcook For instance, critical bugs get highlighted in red
05:09 dcook another_peter: I believe it has to do with the importance of the bug
04:58 another_peter in a bugzilla search result list, what does it mean if bugs are listed in red?
04:50 druthb :)
04:49 dcook Cool. I didn't know that bug had made it that far along. I'm actually rather pleased about that one.
04:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9783 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , can hit submit twice when adding patrons
04:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9881 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused tablesorter plugin from offline circulation page
04:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9863 trivial, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , 'import' button in web installer should read 'Import'
04:46 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9783 - can hit submit twice when adding patrons
04:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9881 - Remove unused tablesorter plugin from offline circulation page
04:46 jenkins_koha * Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 9863: Correct casing and add arrow-heads for consistency with earlier submit messages.
04:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1122: SUCCESS in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1122/
04:06 * dcook really needs to start getting back into that whole fitness thing...
04:06 dcook Whereabouts are you these days?
04:06 dcook :D
04:03 druthb I had a truly glorious workout session this evening; I'm loving my new gym.
04:02 druthb :)
04:02 dcook H is a better letter than I thought :p
04:01 druthb "Healthy, happy, and holding," as one of my favorite authors put it.
04:00 dcook That's always good to hear :)
03:59 druthb pretty darn good.
03:59 dcook things*
03:59 druthb :D
03:59 dcook How are all the thing?
03:59 dcook Allo druthb
03:59 druthb o/
03:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #1122 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9595 normal, P5 - low, ---, kristina, Pushed to Master , Update About page for license update to GPL3
03:34 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add two new developers to the history
03:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9918 major, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Packaging updates for 3.12
03:34 jenkins_koha * Kristina D.C. Hoeppner: Bug 9595: Change GPL license to 3.0
03:34 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9918 - build script updates, default to building 3.12
03:34 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9918 - Changelog updates for 3.12
03:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1121: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1121/
03:23 mtj so, it makes some obvious sense to choose that new package, rather than ignore it
03:22 mtj the new package either fixes a bug, or has some important feature
03:21 mtj ...and good nite :)
03:21 mtj jcamins, if someone has made the effort of creating a new debain package of a perl module, theres usually a good reason?
03:20 dcook night, jcamins
03:20 jcamins Good night, #koha.
03:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9783' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb60b90322943a7707c1d884f7af9ec38f6bb733> / Bug 9783 - can hit submit twice when adding patrons <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c061790f9724bd1e4bde71ef01ab7bb59aff42af> / Merge branch 'bug_9881' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=710491ead3
03:13 dcook \o/
03:12 jcamins Well, I haven't caught up, but I'm closer.
02:41 jcamins We are in agreement.
02:41 rangi yes
02:41 jcamins If the database does not exist when running the web installer, shouldn't it provide some sort of error message other than a stacktrace?
02:40 jcamins Hmm.
02:36 * jcamins chooses not to know that. :P
02:36 eythian and if you know that sleutel means key, it all makes sense :)
02:35 rangi :)
02:35 eythian or partner of mindy
02:35 rangi and an alien
02:35 eythian mork is a terrible mozilla database format
02:34 eythian bork bork bork
02:34 * jcamins agrees with rangi.
02:34 rangi eythian: i think you need to add mork mork mork to the edit of that gpg line, cos that totally reads like the swedish chef in my head
02:34 jcamins (I know they install all the needed dependencies and Koha runs, but I did not look for edge cases)
02:33 jcamins I don't feel strongly one way or the other, but I think the .packages files I just generated should work.
02:32 jcamins mtj: but why is it a bad thing to have the older version?
02:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9927 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , tweak list-deps script to build a better ./debian/control file
02:31 mtj eythian, i updated bug 9927 with a bit more info… hope it makes sense
02:30 mtj ta
02:30 eythian mtj: "gpg: sleutel 4DBBC6CF: publieke sleutel “Mason James <mtj@kohaaloha.com>†geimporteerd" <-- all good
02:28 dcook bbiab
02:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #1121 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Add two new developers to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd82a7bcd6f1235a7f254d38e330642646260417> / Merge branch 'bug_9595' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8bae32a35e4a59b4ea60460c54166bb646913c97> / Bug 9595: Change GPL license to 3.0 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=50c435dced2ae1c01627d525c245c
02:18 mtj all good, file is pushed
02:18 jcamins Probably. Initially it was in t.
02:18 mtj i wonder if i was looking for it in ./t , not ./t./db-dependant
02:18 jcamins mtj: yep. Once I checked the bug it made sense.
02:17 mtj jcamins, oh meh, the 00-strict.t file is there after all
02:14 jcamins Pfeh. I screwed up the history.
02:14 dcook jcamins: Cool. I'll take a look. I have a 12 hour roundtrip train ride this weekend, so maybe I'll have to gander at the PDF on my netbook...
02:11 jcamins mtj didn't realize it was pushed to master.
02:11 jcamins Ah.
02:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8383 normal, P1 - high, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Need test to check that Perl files will compile
02:10 jcamins How did bug 8383 get to passed QA?
02:10 jcamins Odd.
02:10 jcamins Ummm...
02:09 jcamins And you weren't around when I told everyone to read it earlier.
02:08 jcamins It's really interesting.
02:08 jcamins dcook: BTW, you should read... http://producingoss.com/
02:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9786 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , [3.8.X] Holds to pull showing items not available
02:06 jcamins rangi: bug 9786 is yours.
02:06 jcamins Because wizzyrea's immediate response was not "OH NOES! PATRON DETAILS ARE BROKEN!" the way mine was.
02:05 jcamins The most likely cause of the problem is that there is some non-Plack-safe code.
02:04 jcamins So I'll definitely save it for some time when I can ask Kyle about it.
02:04 * dcook just tried it really quickly on 3.8 and it looks good pre-selfreg
02:03 dcook I wonder when that happened, jcamins
02:03 * dcook has already eaten his easter chocolate from this morning...
02:03 jcamins I think there is nothing wrong with this patch because the display is wrong anyway.
02:03 eythian egg drill!
02:03 jcamins Oh.
02:03 eythian flee!
02:03 jcamins Fire drill?
02:03 eythian uh oh!
02:03 rangi so anitsirk can hide eggs
02:03 wizzyrea AIEE
02:03 rangi get OUT
02:03 rangi oh we have to get out
02:02 jcamins No, I think this is an additional bug.
02:02 wizzyrea and that is immediately before this patch?
02:02 jcamins This: http://screencast.com/t/CWirqbseD
02:01 eythian which would be bad
02:01 eythian so does it do a javascript disable of the form or something?
02:01 jcamins And this does not match the screen I am used to, which is...
02:00 jcamins Then it is disabled.
02:00 jcamins When I load the page, the complete form is loaded.
02:00 jcamins There is not... eventually.
02:00 wizzyrea mine doesn't have one.
02:00 wizzyrea right, is there a submit button?
02:00 eythian oh yeah :)
01:59 mtj hey eythian, i just remembered to email you that gpg key...
01:59 jcamins That is what I see when I have OPACPatronDetails turned OFF
01:59 wizzyrea there is no submit button eh?
01:59 wizzyrea that has always been that way, afaik.
01:59 jcamins http://screencast.com/t/c6Gj2LkKp
01:58 jcamins I'm taking a screenshot to show you what I think doesn't work.
01:58 wizzyrea and you do in fact get the notify in the staff client like you are supposed to
01:58 wizzyrea = works in ccsr
01:58 wizzyrea OPACPatronDetails ON, SelfReg OFF
01:58 wizzyrea ok, I tested it this way
01:57 wizzyrea imma check that
01:57 wizzyrea yea
01:57 rangi it should still stop you updating
01:57 rangi and self reg on
01:57 rangi so with updating off
01:57 dcook eythian: oh my...images like that make me want to take a meatcation
01:57 rangi good
01:57 wizzyrea it shows boxes but you can't edit them
01:56 wizzyrea it still does that with self reg off
01:56 jcamins I think it used to just show you your details unless updating was allowed.
01:56 jcamins *However* I believe there is still a problem with the display now.
01:56 rangi thank goodness
01:56 wizzyrea because I am looking at it
01:56 jcamins I just tested.
01:56 wizzyrea ok I KNOW I tested this with selfregistration OFF
01:56 jcamins No, the commit message is wrong.
01:55 jcamins eythian++
01:55 * rangi hopes he is wrong
01:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9919 blocker, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , Syntax error in kohastructure.sql
01:55 eythian jcamins: oh btw, I published a new master package today, mostly to get rid of bug 9919
01:55 rangi hmm so you cant let someone update .. without turning on self registration? that sucks
01:55 wizzyrea or I will.
01:54 wizzyrea yea it would - fail that I'm going to look at it again
01:54 jcamins rangi: according to the commit message it is.
01:54 rangi that would be bad
01:54 rangi i hope that it isnt now linked to self registration
01:54 eythian http://dealpeddler.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MeatCupcake.jpg <-- dcook
01:54 dcook eythian: Groak almost explains the feeling I get when jcamins talks about food :p
01:53 rangi just not register
01:53 wizzyrea the self registration stuff is only related in that another feature came along with it, which is that patron modifications are manageable through the web interface
01:53 rangi nope, you have always been able to update
01:53 jcamins Which one enables by turning on PatronSelfRegistration... right?
01:52 wizzyrea only updating patron info
01:52 wizzyrea also it doesn't have anything to do with patronselfregistration
01:51 eythian http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/195348/18-obsolete-words-which-should-have-never-gone-out-of-style/
01:50 jcamins I thought when it was disabled there weren't supposed to be submittable controls at all.
01:50 jcamins It... flickers, almost.
01:49 jcamins Yeah, when everything gets disabled.
01:49 wizzyrea flashing!
01:49 jcamins I get flashing.
01:49 wizzyrea looked ok before I did that anyway.
01:49 wizzyrea hm I had to turn mine on to test it, and it looked ok - I will check it again.
01:48 jcamins I was checking for regressions.
01:48 jcamins No, the problem is it looks wrong when I have it turned *off*.
01:48 wizzyrea i mean, I have to ask.
01:48 jcamins I will ask Kyle tomorrow.
01:48 wizzyrea do you have both prefs on?
01:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9930 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , can't update patron info in ccsr
01:47 jcamins I was testing bug 9930, but now I think there's another patch that it should depend on.
01:47 * wizzyrea recalls a patch for that from kyle
01:47 jcamins Yes.
01:46 * jcamins tests this theory.
01:46 jcamins It'd look wrong if I were using prog, too, but I'm not.
01:46 jcamins And that's why the patch that changes it in ccsr looks wrong.
01:46 jcamins I think there's a problem with the patron details display on the OPAC.
01:45 jcamins Okay.
01:45 dcook Mmm, that's not so bad then
01:45 jcamins wait.
01:45 jcamins ...
01:45 rangi its usually this looks dumb
01:45 rangi yeah
01:45 wizzyrea like the social features, for example
01:44 wizzyrea in ccsr.
01:44 wizzyrea sometimes you'll see a feature that doesn't have CSS to display it
01:44 jcamins Okay, this is going to have to wait, because this seems just totally wrong.
01:44 dcook Cool beans. Good to know
01:43 rangi dcook: the extra work is testing both
01:43 dcook Missed your second comment there, rangi
01:43 jcamins wait... didn't I fix the includes?
01:43 rangi you dont :)
01:43 dcook nvm
01:43 rangi no, thats what im saying
01:43 jcamins No, just one template.
01:43 dcook Ack
01:43 dcook Yeah, it just means that we need to update two templates instead of one
01:43 jcamins The only differences are CSS, javascript (and only some), and...
01:43 rangi ie, it uses the same templates
01:43 rangi dcook most of ccsr is the same
01:43 jcamins The (impossible) dream) is that some of the mobile enhancements from ccsr can be ported over to prog.
01:42 dcook :/
01:42 jcamins Both.
01:42 jcamins could someone please disable PatronSelfRegistration, and tell me if the patron details view makes sense for you?
01:42 dcook On a side note, I've been meaning to ask...now that we have two themes...does this mean that future development is happening for ccsr and phasing out prog, or are we now having to develop for both?
01:41 jcamins Ummm...
01:41 jcamins Huh.
01:41 jcamins No.
01:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9930 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , can't update patron info in ccsr
01:40 dcook bug 9930
01:40 jcamins I think it's wrong.
01:40 jcamins Wait...
01:39 jcamins Apparently not.
01:39 jcamins I thought I already pushed 9930.
01:39 jcamins Probably because I'm doing something wrong, but see how much I care?
01:38 jcamins I just know that Persona works for me and I can't get OpenID to work without disabling my XSS-blocker.
01:38 jcamins I didn't read the spec at all.
01:38 eythian I haven't read the spec for a while
01:38 jcamins But that means I whitelist *one* domain and it works.
01:38 eythian ah right
01:38 jcamins eythian: there is one XSS request, to get the persona identity token.
01:38 cjh awesome work by Mozilla.
01:37 cjh I also like it how the persona identity server cant trace you or refuse you access to a site.
01:37 eythian or mostly, perhaps
01:37 eythian yeah, it's all done server side aiui
01:37 jcamins Also, Persona seems to require way less XSS.
01:36 rangi there is that
01:36 eythian also the openid UI is arse for non-technical people
01:36 rangi yeah i like the privacy that comes with it
01:36 jcamins That makes sense to me.
01:36 jcamins The thing I like about Persona is that the login is stored in the browser.
01:35 dcook So nice one, rangi
01:34 dcook I've recently heard more Persona > OpenID from non-Koha folks though
01:34 dcook clearly :p
01:34 dcook I always mix up your handles in my head!
01:33 mtj heya, yeah was mj-ray/slef :)
01:33 * dcook tries to remember the other day
01:33 dcook slef
01:33 dcook Wait
01:33 dcook And mtj with openID
01:32 dcook That would certainly be a more elegant way to sponsor a project
01:32 rangi can be really clear about where the money is going
01:32 dcook Mmm yeah
01:32 rangi like pay jcamins to do the search rewrite
01:32 rangi so different campaigns can run
01:32 rangi thats why i like having our own one
01:31 dcook Good birthday/christmas presents. I don't need stuff, but I'm all for people donating to Koha in my name :D
01:31 rangi the trick would be then who do you distribute it too
01:31 dcook It would certainly be nice to have something set up
01:31 rangi something to play with over easter
01:28 cjh heh
01:28 wizzyrea idk. YES.
01:28 dcook She's a bit vague
01:28 dcook Maybe
01:28 dcook I think Liz is on board
01:28 wizzyrea YES.
01:28 dcook mhm
01:28 wizzyrea *nod* yes yes yes
01:28 rangi might be worth investigating more
01:28 wizzyrea Selftstarter is a starting point for you to build your own solution. It is set up to collect reservations using Amazon Payments, but you can choose you own provider too.
01:27 rangi hmm could use dps then
01:27 wizzyrea for payments
01:27 wizzyrea it says "or use your own provider"
01:27 ibeardslee troubleshooting/buck passing is easier .. talk to amazon/paypal
01:27 cjh if it is open source we could (in theory) rewrite the amazon specific parts, but dealing with credit cards sounds painful.
01:27 wizzyrea looks like it doesn't have to use amazon
01:27 cjh I guess passing CC to amazon/paypal makes it easier to implement, lower risk, etc.
01:26 wizzyrea oo cool me too
01:26 rangi but i like the idea of running our own
01:26 rangi annoyingly amazon payments too
01:26 rangi http://selfstarter.us/
01:26 rangi oooh
01:25 rangi but yeah i think has to be amazon
01:25 rangi kickstarter is %5
01:24 cjh it would be sweet to have a kickstarter for open source software features, but with direct CC charges.
01:23 dcook Good ol' benchmarking
01:23 rangi around 8% there too
01:23 wizzyrea note to those inevitably looking in - I don't actually mean that.
01:22 rangi If the project is successful, the total amount collected will be transferred from the account held by PledgeMe to the account of the project creator, less 5% due to PledgeMe by its service and fees charged by Flo2Cash (2.8% +25c per transaction)%). If we encounter any declined payments (eg. insufficient funds on card) we will seek to capture these pledges within 7 days of your project closing.
01:22 wizzyrea ^.^
01:22 wizzyrea when processing fines.
01:22 * dcook actually has almost zero idea about what that actually means though
01:22 wizzyrea "all rounding errors are directly deposited into an unnamed bank acount in the caymans"
01:22 dcook Bitcoins?
01:22 rangi pledgeme just needs a credit card
01:22 wizzyrea "late book - help pay for this software"
01:22 rangi see how it goes
01:22 rangi then we could run a test campaign
01:21 rangi if we can find that
01:21 wizzyrea kekekekekek
01:21 wizzyrea what we need, is to build it into koha's fines
01:21 rangi and doesnt clip the ticket too much
01:21 rangi that doesnt require amazon or paypal
01:21 rangi what we need is a crowdfunding app
01:21 dcook That's why I said "from" ;)
01:21 rangi gittip is cool, how much do they take i wonder?
01:21 cjh dcook: she isn't in the states.
01:21 wizzyrea it's because my kid calls me mum now because his teachers at school call me mum.
01:20 dcook I didn't know folks from the US said mum
01:20 dcook you said, mum
01:20 dcook Whoa
01:20 dcook hehe
01:20 wizzyrea mum*
01:20 rangi heh
01:20 wizzyrea on punch cards.
01:20 wizzyrea you could be like my mm and leave notes taped to the fridge for the family.
01:19 rangi i mean to give it to someone to run :)
01:19 dcook Unless you junk it I suppose
01:19 rangi its pretty hard to not share it :)
01:19 rangi you only had the source code :)
01:19 rangi punch cards
01:19 dcook Folk in the library world...know enough words to make what they say completely different from what they mean sometimes
01:18 dcook So so so true
01:18 rangi specially in the library worlds
01:18 rangi lots do
01:18 dcook Very true. Bad wording on my part. I usually don't make that mistake.
01:18 rangi and i dont write proprietary software :)
01:18 rangi we both get paid
01:18 rangi dont fall into that trap
01:17 dcook True
01:17 rangi commercial software is not proprietary software
01:17 rangi until some ppl decided, ooh i can clip some tickets here
01:17 dcook Commercial software, etc
01:17 rangi for centuries
01:17 dcook Sort of like that whole big oil thing
01:17 rangi you commissioned artists, or paid for them to play
01:17 dcook They're pretty reluctant to go
01:17 rangi record lablels, like proprietary software, are a short term aberration
01:16 rangi dcook: thats not new, thats how it always worked
01:16 rangi and they could find a crowdsourcing
01:16 dcook I was one of those MySpace teenagers :p. It was great. You would hear about a show put on by your local promoter. You'd listen to the music for free on MySpace. Then you'd pay to go to the show and buy the merch.
01:16 rangi i wish we knew like some people who like did research and stuff
01:16 rangi nz has pledgeme
01:15 wizzyrea oh, rangi did you see http://gittip.com
01:15 dcook Mmm, I like that idea as well
01:15 rangi direct reward to artists
01:15 dcook rangi: Very overrated but that's her shtick.
01:15 rangi rms actually had a good talk about that too
01:15 rangi yup, i like the micropayments idea
01:14 dcook I liked her Tedtalk on asking people to give money for music rather than demanding that they do it
01:14 rangi dcook: i mostly just think she's totally overated, and a bit shit really, but thats probably my nz tall poppy syndrome kicking in
01:13 rangi jcamins: could be
01:13 dcook rangi: Definitely have written my fair share on that one
01:13 rangi and not paying your musicians
01:13 jcamins I thought there was a class for the time?
01:13 dcook Relative definition of cool I suppose, eh?
01:13 rangi yeah cooler than just touring the world
01:12 wizzyrea shame really, because her project was pretty cool, a music app for kids
01:12 dcook Yeah...
01:12 wizzyrea bjork tried to do a kickstarter, failed miserably
01:12 dcook probably
01:12 wizzyrea she'd probably answer on the twitterz
01:12 rangi heh, like she needed the money
01:12 wizzyrea heh.
01:12 dcook Ask Amanda Palmer? :p
01:12 rangi im wondering if it is more or less than 8%
01:11 dcook Ahh
01:11 rangi yeah they take a cut
01:11 dcook yeah
01:11 dcook Kickstarter?
01:11 rangi whats kickstarter?
01:11 dcook What's that thing the people are doing...
01:11 wizzyrea free as in freedom. Not free as in gratis.
01:11 wahanui it has been said that indiegogo is 8%.
01:11 rangi indiegogo
01:11 wizzyrea i know right. that's the worst bit.
01:10 wizzyrea but that is all predicated on me winning the lotto.
01:10 rangi or they could have just given us maybe 25% what they threw at OLE
01:10 wizzyrea contract for a year
01:09 dcook Mmm, that would be awesome
01:09 wizzyrea and/or subsidise their employers
01:09 dcook I used to sell lotto tickets in high school, and I realized that winning the lottery wasn't enough to live a more than average lifestyle to the end
01:09 wizzyrea and docmanager.
01:09 wizzyrea then hire the RM and the rmaints
01:09 wizzyrea I will invest it in... something lucrative.
01:08 dcook That's only what..30 million tops? :p
01:08 wizzyrea see: lotto
01:08 dcook Or infinity rather...
01:08 dcook If only we had all the time and money in the world...
01:07 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot association
01:07 wizzyrea forget association
01:07 wahanui i guess association is missing - but somethin gmust have changed the mapping
01:07 wizzyrea ok association
01:07 rangi id join if it was an association
01:07 wizzyrea :P
01:07 wizzyrea actually I'll start a foundation
01:06 wizzyrea I'll donate it all to koha and we can reorganise the sysprefs and hourly loans.
01:06 rangi and want to spend it on hourly loans, rewrite
01:06 rangi and then if we win lotto
01:06 dcook hehe
01:06 wizzyrea check. :)
01:06 rangi but the short answer, hide it with jquery
01:06 dcook Mmm, yeah, I think we had this discussion recently
01:06 rangi a 20 min loan is valid too, we cant cope with that at the moment
01:05 wizzyrea "it's just a database. How hard could it be"
01:05 rangi you dont want to restrict to hourly either
01:05 dcook wizzyrea: :P
01:05 dcook That doesn't seem the best either
01:05 wizzyrea 23:59, actually
01:05 eythian why on earth not, it'd be easy :)
01:05 rangi yep
01:05 rangi exactly the same
01:05 dcook Due at 11:59pm the "day" it's due?
01:05 rangi however that doesnt exist, and im not gonna rewrite hourly loans at this minute :)
01:05 dcook How do non-hourly loans work?
01:04 rangi yep
01:04 eythian y'know, if there was an "hourly loan" flag on issues, then a) this'd be easy, and b) you'd only need to process things you might care about hourly, everything else once a day.
01:04 rangi you can just define an issuing period
01:04 wizzyrea <commence freak out>
01:04 dcook O_o
01:04 wizzyrea OMG I SEE THE TIME
01:04 rangi there is no hourly loans switch
01:04 rangi its the ones that dont use hourly loans
01:04 wizzyrea sure they would
01:04 rangi yes
01:04 wizzyrea yes.
01:04 dcook I'm not familiar with the hourly loans stuff, but wouldn't some libraries like to always see the time?
01:04 rangi its the only way to currently do it
01:04 wizzyrea to me too but...
01:03 eythian that seems hacky to me, and bad.
01:03 rangi yup
01:03 wizzyrea no, that's true. I suppose you could detect 23:59
01:03 rangi and you have to store it as a date time
01:03 rangi after its applied
01:03 rangi e
01:03 rangi yeah but you dont know the rul
01:03 wahanui maybe is, like, a momentaneous error
01:03 wizzyrea maybe?
01:03 rangi apart from the time being 23:59
01:03 wizzyrea based on the rule that applied?
01:02 rangi im not sure how you can tell
01:02 wizzyrea if not... don't
01:02 eythian so if it's not an hourly loan thing, it doesn't display?
01:02 wizzyrea yea it really ought to be "if this is an hourly loan, show the time"
01:02 eythian or tie it to the hourly loans stuff maybe?
01:02 rangi i think is all
01:02 rangi jquery
01:01 wizzyrea (if you can)
01:01 wizzyrea gr where do you turn off the display of the time on the due dates?