Time Nick Message 01:01 wizzyrea gr where do you turn off the display of the time on the due dates? 01:01 wizzyrea (if you can) 01:02 rangi jquery 01:02 rangi i think is all 01:02 eythian or tie it to the hourly loans stuff maybe? 01:02 wizzyrea yea it really ought to be "if this is an hourly loan, show the time" 01:02 eythian so if it's not an hourly loan thing, it doesn't display? 01:02 wizzyrea if not... don't 01:02 rangi im not sure how you can tell 01:03 wizzyrea based on the rule that applied? 01:03 rangi apart from the time being 23:59 01:03 wizzyrea maybe? 01:03 wahanui maybe is, like, a momentaneous error 01:03 rangi yeah but you dont know the rul 01:03 rangi e 01:03 rangi after its applied 01:03 rangi and you have to store it as a date time 01:03 wizzyrea no, that's true. I suppose you could detect 23:59 01:03 rangi yup 01:03 eythian that seems hacky to me, and bad. 01:04 wizzyrea to me too but... 01:04 rangi its the only way to currently do it 01:04 dcook I'm not familiar with the hourly loans stuff, but wouldn't some libraries like to always see the time? 01:04 wizzyrea yes. 01:04 rangi yes 01:04 wizzyrea sure they would 01:04 rangi its the ones that dont use hourly loans 01:04 rangi there is no hourly loans switch 01:04 wizzyrea OMG I SEE THE TIME 01:04 dcook O_o 01:04 wizzyrea <commence freak out> 01:04 rangi you can just define an issuing period 01:04 eythian y'know, if there was an "hourly loan" flag on issues, then a) this'd be easy, and b) you'd only need to process things you might care about hourly, everything else once a day. 01:04 rangi yep 01:05 dcook How do non-hourly loans work? 01:05 rangi however that doesnt exist, and im not gonna rewrite hourly loans at this minute :) 01:05 dcook Due at 11:59pm the "day" it's due? 01:05 rangi exactly the same 01:05 rangi yep 01:05 eythian why on earth not, it'd be easy :) 01:05 wizzyrea 23:59, actually 01:05 dcook That doesn't seem the best either 01:05 dcook wizzyrea: :P 01:05 rangi you dont want to restrict to hourly either 01:05 wizzyrea "it's just a database. How hard could it be" 01:06 rangi a 20 min loan is valid too, we cant cope with that at the moment 01:06 dcook Mmm, yeah, I think we had this discussion recently 01:06 rangi but the short answer, hide it with jquery 01:06 wizzyrea check. :) 01:06 dcook hehe 01:06 rangi and then if we win lotto 01:06 rangi and want to spend it on hourly loans, rewrite 01:06 wizzyrea I'll donate it all to koha and we can reorganise the sysprefs and hourly loans. 01:07 wizzyrea actually I'll start a foundation 01:07 wizzyrea :P 01:07 rangi id join if it was an association 01:07 wizzyrea ok association 01:07 wahanui i guess association is missing - but somethin gmust have changed the mapping 01:07 wizzyrea forget association 01:07 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot association 01:08 dcook If only we had all the time and money in the world... 01:08 dcook Or infinity rather... 01:08 wizzyrea see: lotto 01:08 dcook That's only what..30 million tops? :p 01:09 wizzyrea I will invest it in... something lucrative. 01:09 wizzyrea then hire the RM and the rmaints 01:09 wizzyrea and docmanager. 01:09 dcook I used to sell lotto tickets in high school, and I realized that winning the lottery wasn't enough to live a more than average lifestyle to the end 01:09 wizzyrea and/or subsidise their employers 01:09 dcook Mmm, that would be awesome 01:10 wizzyrea contract for a year 01:10 rangi or they could have just given us maybe 25% what they threw at OLE 01:10 wizzyrea but that is all predicated on me winning the lotto. 01:11 wizzyrea i know right. that's the worst bit. 01:11 rangi indiegogo 01:11 wahanui it has been said that indiegogo is 8%. 01:11 wizzyrea free as in freedom. Not free as in gratis. 01:11 dcook What's that thing the people are doing... 01:11 rangi whats kickstarter? 01:11 dcook Kickstarter? 01:11 dcook yeah 01:11 rangi yeah they take a cut 01:11 dcook Ahh 01:12 rangi im wondering if it is more or less than 8% 01:12 dcook Ask Amanda Palmer? :p 01:12 wizzyrea heh. 01:12 rangi heh, like she needed the money 01:12 wizzyrea she'd probably answer on the twitterz 01:12 dcook probably 01:12 wizzyrea bjork tried to do a kickstarter, failed miserably 01:12 dcook Yeah... 01:12 wizzyrea shame really, because her project was pretty cool, a music app for kids 01:13 rangi yeah cooler than just touring the world 01:13 dcook Relative definition of cool I suppose, eh? 01:13 jcamins I thought there was a class for the time? 01:13 rangi and not paying your musicians 01:13 dcook rangi: Definitely have written my fair share on that one 01:13 rangi jcamins: could be 01:14 rangi dcook: i mostly just think she's totally overated, and a bit shit really, but thats probably my nz tall poppy syndrome kicking in 01:14 dcook I liked her Tedtalk on asking people to give money for music rather than demanding that they do it 01:15 rangi yup, i like the micropayments idea 01:15 rangi rms actually had a good talk about that too 01:15 dcook rangi: Very overrated but that's her shtick. 01:15 rangi direct reward to artists 01:15 dcook Mmm, I like that idea as well 01:15 wizzyrea oh, rangi did you see http://gittip.com 01:16 rangi nz has pledgeme 01:16 rangi i wish we knew like some people who like did research and stuff 01:16 dcook I was one of those MySpace teenagers :p. It was great. You would hear about a show put on by your local promoter. You'd listen to the music for free on MySpace. Then you'd pay to go to the show and buy the merch. 01:16 rangi and they could find a crowdsourcing 01:16 rangi dcook: thats not new, thats how it always worked 01:17 rangi record lablels, like proprietary software, are a short term aberration 01:17 dcook They're pretty reluctant to go 01:17 rangi you commissioned artists, or paid for them to play 01:17 dcook Sort of like that whole big oil thing 01:17 rangi for centuries 01:17 dcook Commercial software, etc 01:17 rangi until some ppl decided, ooh i can clip some tickets here 01:17 rangi commercial software is not proprietary software 01:17 dcook True 01:18 rangi dont fall into that trap 01:18 rangi we both get paid 01:18 rangi and i dont write proprietary software :) 01:18 dcook Very true. Bad wording on my part. I usually don't make that mistake. 01:18 rangi lots do 01:18 rangi specially in the library worlds 01:18 dcook So so so true 01:19 dcook Folk in the library world...know enough words to make what they say completely different from what they mean sometimes 01:19 rangi punch cards 01:19 rangi you only had the source code :) 01:19 rangi its pretty hard to not share it :) 01:19 dcook Unless you junk it I suppose 01:19 rangi i mean to give it to someone to run :) 01:20 wizzyrea you could be like my mm and leave notes taped to the fridge for the family. 01:20 wizzyrea on punch cards. 01:20 rangi heh 01:20 wizzyrea mum* 01:20 dcook hehe 01:20 dcook Whoa 01:20 dcook you said, mum 01:20 dcook I didn't know folks from the US said mum 01:21 wizzyrea it's because my kid calls me mum now because his teachers at school call me mum. 01:21 cjh dcook: she isn't in the states. 01:21 rangi gittip is cool, how much do they take i wonder? 01:21 dcook That's why I said "from" ;) 01:21 rangi what we need is a crowdfunding app 01:21 rangi that doesnt require amazon or paypal 01:21 rangi and doesnt clip the ticket too much 01:21 wizzyrea what we need, is to build it into koha's fines 01:21 wizzyrea kekekekekek 01:21 rangi if we can find that 01:22 rangi then we could run a test campaign 01:22 rangi see how it goes 01:22 wizzyrea "late book - help pay for this software" 01:22 rangi pledgeme just needs a credit card 01:22 dcook Bitcoins? 01:22 wizzyrea "all rounding errors are directly deposited into an unnamed bank acount in the caymans" 01:22 * dcook actually has almost zero idea about what that actually means though 01:22 wizzyrea when processing fines. 01:22 wizzyrea ^.^ 01:22 rangi If the project is successful, the total amount collected will be transferred from the account held by PledgeMe to the account of the project creator, less 5% due to PledgeMe by its service and fees charged by Flo2Cash (2.8% +25c per transaction)%). If we encounter any declined payments (eg. insufficient funds on card) we will seek to capture these pledges within 7 days of your project closing. 01:23 wizzyrea note to those inevitably looking in - I don't actually mean that. 01:23 rangi around 8% there too 01:23 dcook Good ol' benchmarking 01:24 cjh it would be sweet to have a kickstarter for open source software features, but with direct CC charges. 01:25 rangi kickstarter is %5 01:25 rangi but yeah i think has to be amazon 01:26 rangi oooh 01:26 rangi http://selfstarter.us/ 01:26 rangi annoyingly amazon payments too 01:26 rangi but i like the idea of running our own 01:26 wizzyrea oo cool me too 01:27 cjh I guess passing CC to amazon/paypal makes it easier to implement, lower risk, etc. 01:27 wizzyrea looks like it doesn't have to use amazon 01:27 cjh if it is open source we could (in theory) rewrite the amazon specific parts, but dealing with credit cards sounds painful. 01:27 ibeardslee troubleshooting/buck passing is easier .. talk to amazon/paypal 01:27 wizzyrea it says "or use your own provider" 01:27 wizzyrea for payments 01:27 rangi hmm could use dps then 01:28 wizzyrea Selftstarter is a starting point for you to build your own solution. It is set up to collect reservations using Amazon Payments, but you can choose you own provider too. 01:28 rangi might be worth investigating more 01:28 wizzyrea *nod* yes yes yes 01:28 dcook mhm 01:28 wizzyrea YES. 01:28 dcook I think Liz is on board 01:28 dcook Maybe 01:28 dcook She's a bit vague 01:28 wizzyrea idk. YES. 01:28 cjh heh 01:31 rangi something to play with over easter 01:31 dcook It would certainly be nice to have something set up 01:31 rangi the trick would be then who do you distribute it too 01:31 dcook Good birthday/christmas presents. I don't need stuff, but I'm all for people donating to Koha in my name :D 01:32 rangi thats why i like having our own one 01:32 rangi so different campaigns can run 01:32 rangi like pay jcamins to do the search rewrite 01:32 dcook Mmm yeah 01:32 rangi can be really clear about where the money is going 01:32 dcook That would certainly be a more elegant way to sponsor a project 01:33 dcook And mtj with openID 01:33 dcook Wait 01:33 dcook slef 01:33 * dcook tries to remember the other day 01:33 mtj heya, yeah was mj-ray/slef :) 01:34 dcook I always mix up your handles in my head! 01:34 dcook clearly :p 01:34 dcook I've recently heard more Persona > OpenID from non-Koha folks though 01:35 dcook So nice one, rangi 01:36 jcamins The thing I like about Persona is that the login is stored in the browser. 01:36 jcamins That makes sense to me. 01:36 rangi yeah i like the privacy that comes with it 01:36 eythian also the openid UI is arse for non-technical people 01:36 rangi there is that 01:37 jcamins Also, Persona seems to require way less XSS. 01:37 eythian yeah, it's all done server side aiui 01:37 eythian or mostly, perhaps 01:37 cjh I also like it how the persona identity server cant trace you or refuse you access to a site. 01:38 cjh awesome work by Mozilla. 01:38 jcamins eythian: there is one XSS request, to get the persona identity token. 01:38 eythian ah right 01:38 jcamins But that means I whitelist *one* domain and it works. 01:38 eythian I haven't read the spec for a while 01:38 jcamins I didn't read the spec at all. 01:38 jcamins I just know that Persona works for me and I can't get OpenID to work without disabling my XSS-blocker. 01:39 jcamins Probably because I'm doing something wrong, but see how much I care? 01:39 jcamins I thought I already pushed 9930. 01:39 jcamins Apparently not. 01:40 jcamins Wait... 01:40 jcamins I think it's wrong. 01:40 dcook bug 9930 01:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9930 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , can't update patron info in ccsr 01:41 jcamins No. 01:41 jcamins Huh. 01:41 jcamins Ummm... 01:42 dcook On a side note, I've been meaning to ask...now that we have two themes...does this mean that future development is happening for ccsr and phasing out prog, or are we now having to develop for both? 01:42 jcamins could someone please disable PatronSelfRegistration, and tell me if the patron details view makes sense for you? 01:42 jcamins Both. 01:42 dcook :/ 01:43 jcamins The (impossible) dream) is that some of the mobile enhancements from ccsr can be ported over to prog. 01:43 rangi dcook most of ccsr is the same 01:43 rangi ie, it uses the same templates 01:43 jcamins The only differences are CSS, javascript (and only some), and... 01:43 dcook Yeah, it just means that we need to update two templates instead of one 01:43 dcook Ack 01:43 jcamins No, just one template. 01:43 rangi no, thats what im saying 01:43 dcook nvm 01:43 rangi you dont :) 01:43 jcamins wait... didn't I fix the includes? 01:43 dcook Missed your second comment there, rangi 01:43 rangi dcook: the extra work is testing both 01:44 dcook Cool beans. Good to know 01:44 jcamins Okay, this is going to have to wait, because this seems just totally wrong. 01:44 wizzyrea sometimes you'll see a feature that doesn't have CSS to display it 01:44 wizzyrea in ccsr. 01:45 wizzyrea like the social features, for example 01:45 rangi yeah 01:45 rangi its usually this looks dumb 01:45 jcamins ... 01:45 jcamins wait. 01:45 dcook Mmm, that's not so bad then 01:45 jcamins Okay. 01:46 jcamins I think there's a problem with the patron details display on the OPAC. 01:46 jcamins And that's why the patch that changes it in ccsr looks wrong. 01:46 jcamins It'd look wrong if I were using prog, too, but I'm not. 01:46 * jcamins tests this theory. 01:47 jcamins Yes. 01:47 * wizzyrea recalls a patch for that from kyle 01:47 jcamins I was testing bug 9930, but now I think there's another patch that it should depend on. 01:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9930 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , can't update patron info in ccsr 01:48 wizzyrea do you have both prefs on? 01:48 jcamins I will ask Kyle tomorrow. 01:48 wizzyrea i mean, I have to ask. 01:48 jcamins No, the problem is it looks wrong when I have it turned *off*. 01:48 jcamins I was checking for regressions. 01:49 wizzyrea hm I had to turn mine on to test it, and it looked ok - I will check it again. 01:49 wizzyrea looked ok before I did that anyway. 01:49 jcamins I get flashing. 01:49 wizzyrea flashing! 01:49 jcamins Yeah, when everything gets disabled. 01:50 jcamins It... flickers, almost. 01:50 jcamins I thought when it was disabled there weren't supposed to be submittable controls at all. 01:51 eythian http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/195348/18-obsolete-words-which-should-have-never-gone-out-of-style/ 01:52 wizzyrea also it doesn't have anything to do with patronselfregistration 01:52 wizzyrea only updating patron info 01:53 jcamins Which one enables by turning on PatronSelfRegistration... right? 01:53 rangi nope, you have always been able to update 01:53 wizzyrea the self registration stuff is only related in that another feature came along with it, which is that patron modifications are manageable through the web interface 01:53 rangi just not register 01:54 dcook eythian: Groak almost explains the feeling I get when jcamins talks about food :p 01:54 eythian http://dealpeddler.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MeatCupcake.jpg <-- dcook 01:54 rangi i hope that it isnt now linked to self registration 01:54 rangi that would be bad 01:54 jcamins rangi: according to the commit message it is. 01:54 wizzyrea yea it would - fail that I'm going to look at it again 01:55 wizzyrea or I will. 01:55 rangi hmm so you cant let someone update .. without turning on self registration? that sucks 01:55 eythian jcamins: oh btw, I published a new master package today, mostly to get rid of bug 9919 01:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9919 blocker, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , Syntax error in kohastructure.sql 01:55 * rangi hopes he is wrong 01:55 jcamins eythian++ 01:56 jcamins No, the commit message is wrong. 01:56 wizzyrea ok I KNOW I tested this with selfregistration OFF 01:56 jcamins I just tested. 01:56 wizzyrea because I am looking at it 01:56 rangi thank goodness 01:56 jcamins *However* I believe there is still a problem with the display now. 01:56 jcamins I think it used to just show you your details unless updating was allowed. 01:56 wizzyrea it still does that with self reg off 01:57 wizzyrea it shows boxes but you can't edit them 01:57 rangi good 01:57 dcook eythian: oh my...images like that make me want to take a meatcation 01:57 rangi so with updating off 01:57 rangi and self reg on 01:57 rangi it should still stop you updating 01:57 wizzyrea yea 01:57 wizzyrea imma check that 01:58 wizzyrea ok, I tested it this way 01:58 wizzyrea OPACPatronDetails ON, SelfReg OFF 01:58 wizzyrea = works in ccsr 01:58 wizzyrea and you do in fact get the notify in the staff client like you are supposed to 01:58 jcamins I'm taking a screenshot to show you what I think doesn't work. 01:59 jcamins http://screencast.com/t/c6Gj2LkKp 01:59 wizzyrea that has always been that way, afaik. 01:59 wizzyrea there is no submit button eh? 01:59 jcamins That is what I see when I have OPACPatronDetails turned OFF 01:59 mtj hey eythian, i just remembered to email you that gpg key... 02:00 eythian oh yeah :) 02:00 wizzyrea right, is there a submit button? 02:00 wizzyrea mine doesn't have one. 02:00 jcamins There is not... eventually. 02:00 jcamins When I load the page, the complete form is loaded. 02:00 jcamins Then it is disabled. 02:01 jcamins And this does not match the screen I am used to, which is... 02:01 eythian so does it do a javascript disable of the form or something? 02:01 eythian which would be bad 02:02 jcamins This: http://screencast.com/t/CWirqbseD 02:02 wizzyrea and that is immediately before this patch? 02:02 jcamins No, I think this is an additional bug. 02:03 rangi oh we have to get out 02:03 rangi get OUT 02:03 wizzyrea AIEE 02:03 rangi so anitsirk can hide eggs 02:03 eythian uh oh! 02:03 jcamins Fire drill? 02:03 eythian flee! 02:03 jcamins Oh. 02:03 eythian egg drill! 02:03 jcamins I think there is nothing wrong with this patch because the display is wrong anyway. 02:03 * dcook has already eaten his easter chocolate from this morning... 02:03 dcook I wonder when that happened, jcamins 02:04 * dcook just tried it really quickly on 3.8 and it looks good pre-selfreg 02:04 jcamins So I'll definitely save it for some time when I can ask Kyle about it. 02:05 jcamins The most likely cause of the problem is that there is some non-Plack-safe code. 02:06 jcamins Because wizzyrea's immediate response was not "OH NOES! PATRON DETAILS ARE BROKEN!" the way mine was. 02:06 jcamins rangi: bug 9786 is yours. 02:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9786 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , [3.8.X] Holds to pull showing items not available 02:08 jcamins dcook: BTW, you should read... http://producingoss.com/ 02:08 jcamins It's really interesting. 02:09 jcamins And you weren't around when I told everyone to read it earlier. 02:10 jcamins Ummm... 02:10 jcamins Odd. 02:10 jcamins How did bug 8383 get to passed QA? 02:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8383 normal, P1 - high, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Need test to check that Perl files will compile 02:11 jcamins Ah. 02:11 jcamins mtj didn't realize it was pushed to master. 02:14 dcook jcamins: Cool. I'll take a look. I have a 12 hour roundtrip train ride this weekend, so maybe I'll have to gander at the PDF on my netbook... 02:14 jcamins Pfeh. I screwed up the history. 02:17 mtj jcamins, oh meh, the 00-strict.t file is there after all 02:18 jcamins mtj: yep. Once I checked the bug it made sense. 02:18 mtj i wonder if i was looking for it in ./t , not ./t./db-dependant 02:18 jcamins Probably. Initially it was in t. 02:18 mtj all good, file is pushed 02:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Add two new developers to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd82a7bcd6f1235a7f254d38e330642646260417> / Merge branch 'bug_9595' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8bae32a35e4a59b4ea60460c54166bb646913c97> / Bug 9595: Change GPL license to 3.0 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=50c435dced2ae1c01627d525c245c 02:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #1121 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:28 dcook bbiab 02:30 eythian mtj: "gpg: sleutel 4DBBC6CF: publieke sleutel “Mason James <mtj@kohaaloha.com>†geimporteerd" <-- all good 02:30 mtj ta 02:31 mtj eythian, i updated bug 9927 with a bit more info… hope it makes sense 02:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9927 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , tweak list-deps script to build a better ./debian/control file 02:32 jcamins mtj: but why is it a bad thing to have the older version? 02:33 jcamins I don't feel strongly one way or the other, but I think the .packages files I just generated should work. 02:34 jcamins (I know they install all the needed dependencies and Koha runs, but I did not look for edge cases) 02:34 rangi eythian: i think you need to add mork mork mork to the edit of that gpg line, cos that totally reads like the swedish chef in my head 02:34 * jcamins agrees with rangi. 02:34 eythian bork bork bork 02:35 eythian mork is a terrible mozilla database format 02:35 rangi and an alien 02:35 eythian or partner of mindy 02:35 rangi :) 02:36 eythian and if you know that sleutel means key, it all makes sense :) 02:36 * jcamins chooses not to know that. :P 02:40 jcamins Hmm. 02:41 jcamins If the database does not exist when running the web installer, shouldn't it provide some sort of error message other than a stacktrace? 02:41 rangi yes 02:41 jcamins We are in agreement. 03:12 jcamins Well, I haven't caught up, but I'm closer. 03:13 dcook \o/ 03:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9783' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb60b90322943a7707c1d884f7af9ec38f6bb733> / Bug 9783 - can hit submit twice when adding patrons <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c061790f9724bd1e4bde71ef01ab7bb59aff42af> / Merge branch 'bug_9881' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=710491ead3 03:20 jcamins Good night, #koha. 03:20 dcook night, jcamins 03:21 mtj jcamins, if someone has made the effort of creating a new debain package of a perl module, theres usually a good reason? 03:21 mtj ...and good nite :) 03:22 mtj the new package either fixes a bug, or has some important feature 03:23 mtj so, it makes some obvious sense to choose that new package, rather than ignore it 03:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1121: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1121/ 03:34 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9918 - Changelog updates for 3.12 03:34 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9918 - build script updates, default to building 3.12 03:34 jenkins_koha * Kristina D.C. Hoeppner: Bug 9595: Change GPL license to 3.0 03:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9918 major, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Packaging updates for 3.12 03:34 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add two new developers to the history 03:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9595 normal, P5 - low, ---, kristina, Pushed to Master , Update About page for license update to GPL3 03:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #1122 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:59 druthb o/ 03:59 dcook Allo druthb 03:59 dcook How are all the thing? 03:59 druthb :D 03:59 dcook things* 03:59 druthb pretty darn good. 04:00 dcook That's always good to hear :) 04:01 druthb "Healthy, happy, and holding," as one of my favorite authors put it. 04:02 dcook H is a better letter than I thought :p 04:02 druthb :) 04:03 druthb I had a truly glorious workout session this evening; I'm loving my new gym. 04:06 dcook :D 04:06 dcook Whereabouts are you these days? 04:06 * dcook really needs to start getting back into that whole fitness thing... 04:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1122: SUCCESS in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1122/ 04:46 jenkins_koha * Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 9863: Correct casing and add arrow-heads for consistency with earlier submit messages. 04:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9881 - Remove unused tablesorter plugin from offline circulation page 04:46 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9783 - can hit submit twice when adding patrons 04:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9863 trivial, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , 'import' button in web installer should read 'Import' 04:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9881 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused tablesorter plugin from offline circulation page 04:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9783 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , can hit submit twice when adding patrons 04:49 dcook Cool. I didn't know that bug had made it that far along. I'm actually rather pleased about that one. 04:50 druthb :) 04:58 another_peter in a bugzilla search result list, what does it mean if bugs are listed in red? 05:09 dcook another_peter: I believe it has to do with the importance of the bug 05:09 dcook For instance, critical bugs get highlighted in red 05:10 * dcook notes that the bugs needing sign off is under 100 ^_^ 05:11 dcook paul_p++ 05:11 dcook @karma qa 05:11 huginn dcook: Karma for "qa" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 05:11 dcook @karma qa_team 05:11 huginn dcook: Karma for "qa_team" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 05:12 dcook @karma qa-team 05:12 huginn dcook: qa-team has neutral karma. 05:12 dcook kf++ 05:14 another_peter dcook: thanks. 05:14 dcook sure thing :) 05:17 dcook hola cait :) 05:19 cait hi dcook 05:19 cait about to go home? ;) 05:19 another_peter cait: a process question - is eythian allowed to qa-approve a patch that I, a fellow Catalyst person, have done? it has been signed off by magnus already. 05:20 another_peter bug 9885 05:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9885 normal, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Signed Off , Passwords generated by command line scripts are weak 05:23 dcook cait: Just about ;). Heading home early today but I'm trying to do a few last minute things :P 05:23 cait if it's packaging some different rules apply 05:24 another_peter I know this is not anyone's top priority :) 05:24 cait but it's up to him 05:24 another_peter cool. if it's up to him, and he has said earlier on the bug he is happy to qa approve it, i will gently encourage him 05:24 another_peter thankjs 05:24 another_peter thanks even 05:25 cait just know this is only because it's related to packages 05:26 cait normally only qa team can 05:27 another_peter noted, thanks 06:19 another_peter does koha have a style guide so i can find out if you'll beat me for using unless () {} else {} ? 06:19 another_peter i hear that it makes non-perl-programmers eyes bleed 06:19 another_peter apologies for the missing apostrophe 06:21 * another_peter has gone with if (! ... ) instead to avoid controversy 06:30 dcook another_peter: You could take a look at this wiki page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 06:30 * dcook should really remember to read that sometime... 06:30 another_peter thanks much 06:30 dcook Generally speaking, people will ask you to change your style to accord with the norm during sign off/QA 06:31 another_peter <div class="dialog error"> is really very low key. don't we have an angry red style? :) 06:31 dcook Possibly :P 06:31 dcook I can't recall off the top of my head 06:33 dcook How long have you been at Catalyst, another_peter? I haven't been around IRC much these past couple weeks, but it's always nice to see someone new (at least new to me :P) 06:33 dcook Perhaps I should Google before I speak :p 06:34 another_peter dcook: since jan 2005 :) but i have not been koha-hacking. 06:34 another_peter (i took a couple of years off to fix/break/change the electricity market in western australia) 06:34 dcook hehe 06:35 dcook How long are you going to be koha-hacking? 06:35 another_peter till I get bored with it... I am doing this in not-work-time - i do not have work time to spend on it 06:36 another_peter i mostly negotiate contracts and decide how much to charge for things and manage projects, so I don't get to write code normally in work time 06:37 dcook Ahh, I see I see 06:37 another_peter i also have three children, 12 acres, a kunekune pig, sheep, and other similar demands on my time. but this works well with physical tiredness and being tired of reading/writing legalese. 06:37 dcook I sometimes ponder what the future might be like if/when I'm no longer coding Koha on work time 06:37 dcook Koha as stress relief. I like it. 06:48 * cait complains about the snow 06:49 dcook spring is around the corner? 06:50 dcook In any case, I'm actually leaving this time :p 06:50 dcook Hope the snow isn't too bad, cait 06:50 dcook Nice meeting you, another_peter 06:50 cait oh 06:50 cait now he was gone fast 07:04 another_peter I am trying to find the right middle ground between going mad on process, and doing things The Right Way. 07:04 another_peter I am trying to fix a bug about not being able to delete history in the OPAC 07:05 another_peter I have therefore raised another bug for it not automatically deleting history on return 07:05 another_peter I've had to touch two other little perl scripts to make the change, one of which I could easily make carp if it sees this error (that seems the right thing to do, it is a cron job) 07:05 another_peter but should that have its own bug? 07:06 another_peter next question, in touching the .tt file, I notice that the succeeding message is missing a full stop (inside a string). Can I sneak that in? A bug + QA cycle for a one-byte string change seems rather pedantic. It is literally one or two lines away from code I am changing anyway. 07:07 another_peter cait: you are probably the person I should address those queries towards, if you have time. 07:07 another_peter I will raise the bug for the harder-to-fix script in the interim. 07:09 cait i think you can put all that in one patch 07:09 cait the commit message should have something about the carp probably 07:10 cait the goal of separate bugs is in part to have well testable patches 07:10 cait instead of things that do too many things at once 07:10 cait but we are not overly pedantic 07:13 another_peter thanks :) 07:14 cait and now I have to leave to work :) 07:39 reiveune hello 07:42 marcelr hi #koha 07:43 another_peter good morning] 07:43 marcelr hi another_peter 07:46 chinu123 hello, can anybody tell me how to avoid repetitive cataloguing like author name, publisher etc? 07:48 chinu123 is there any facility wherein we can enter these fields in advance (like we do it in case of city,country etc while entering member db) 08:01 Joubu hello #koha 08:02 chinu123 hello 08:05 clrh bonjour 08:14 kf hi #koha 08:16 marcelr hi joubu chinu123 clrh and kf 08:16 chinu123 hi 08:16 gaetan_B hello 08:17 marcelr hi gaetan_B 08:17 clrh hello marcelr :) 08:19 gaetan_B good morning marcelr :) 08:21 kf hi marcelr :) 08:21 kf and happy easter holidays to everyone (so I don't forget later :) ) 08:22 marcelr time for a easter egg in koha? 08:22 kf heh 08:22 kf maybe 08:26 francharb good morning 08:30 marcelr hi francharb 08:46 kf hmm 08:46 kf [off] http://demo-kobli.bage.es:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/translations_manager.pl 08:46 kf [off] admin / admin 08:55 marcelr sounds safe :) 09:59 clrh Do you know if there is tries about indexing full text (pdf) and search in opac ? 09:59 clrh workaround or whatever :) 10:02 kf clrh: hm not sure, but maybe ask jared? 10:03 kf jcamins I mean? he might know if this has come up as part of the search rewrite or if someone asked for it 10:04 clrh kf: not sure too ;) but sometimes, people talk about things they done on koha-devel :) 10:05 kf the problem is 10:05 kf someone talked to me about it 10:05 kf but I don't remember who it was and if it was done or not... so I am quite confused :) 10:08 another_peter goodnight all 10:53 jcamins clrh: someone had asked me about it, but decided not to pursue it. 10:59 kf morning jcamins 11:06 kf hi Viktor 11:07 marcelr kf: i made some kind of compromise for the parseletter problem with punctuation 11:08 marcelr bug 9886 11:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9886 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ParseLetter removes too often punctuation characters from fields 11:08 kf marcelr: do you know if this is a new bheaviour? 11:09 kf because I get : at the end of my titles often in my notices 11:09 marcelr no it was there in 3.8 i think 11:09 kf aah 11:09 kf ok 11:09 kf seeing it in 3.6 11:09 kf so that makes perfect sense - thx! 11:10 kf I will check it - don't worry about it 11:10 kf but your solution sounds good to me 11:10 marcelr thx 11:24 clrh ok jcamins thanks 11:24 clrh and kf :) 11:29 marcelr joubu there? 11:29 marcelr case sensitive? Joubu 11:29 Joubu marcelr: yep 11:30 marcelr hi Joubu: i checked your remark on 6554 11:30 marcelr with the first patch only, i still have : No system preferences matched your search for é 11:30 Joubu hum... I retest 11:31 marcelr i search for é in prefs 11:32 Joubu ho yes, sorry. In fact I commented out l.302 in C4::Output 11:32 Joubu #utf8::encode($data); 11:32 marcelr ok 11:32 Joubu I commented 11:37 Joubu marcelr: So, in your last patch, if I keep the deletion of binmode and the change in C4::XSLT, it works (for pref and patron). Maybe something else is broken 11:39 marcelr no other changes? 11:39 marcelr current master+ git bz 6554 ? 11:41 marcelr Joubu: you do not have the é ? 11:43 marcelr Joubu: english template or french? 11:43 Joubu marcelr: I applied the 2 patches on 6554 and I commented the l.302 in C4/Output.pm and I don't have the é 11:43 Joubu marcelr: english template 11:43 marcelr why do you comment line 302? 11:44 Joubu marcelr: no real reason :) 11:45 marcelr Joubu: i think we should look for searchfield in preferences.pl and decode correctly 11:45 Joubu marcelr: but after a patron search (member.pl), the input is filled with � 11:45 marcelr dobrica did some of these changes in other scripts already 11:46 marcelr yes, there are some instances left where the url parameter is not decoded 11:46 marcelr we should adjust these ones 11:53 marcelr Joubu: this should do the job in prefs.pl: 11:53 marcelr my $searchfield = uri_unescape($input->param('searchfield')); 11:53 marcelr followed by a decode 11:54 marcelr i mean: my $searchfield = uri_unescape($input->param('searchfield')); utf8::decode($searchfield); and add a use in the file 11:55 marcelr will send this in a patch 11:59 marcelr Joubu: sent this example as followup for bug 6554 11:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Failed QA , Broken encoding in members home/search page 12:52 oleonard Hi #koha 12:52 kf hi oleonard :) 12:52 kf is tomorrow a holiday in US? 12:52 marcelr hi oleonard 12:52 bgkriegel Hi oleonard 12:52 marcelr hi bgkriegel 12:52 bgkriegel hi marcelr 12:53 marcelr bgkriegel: you use a lot of diacritics? 12:53 bgkriegel yes 12:53 oleonard I don't think it is for most people kf. Not for me (although I'm taking vacation) 12:53 marcelr i was working on 6554; if you would have some time.. 12:54 bgkriegel i'll look 12:54 marcelr great ! 12:54 kf :) 12:54 kf bgkriegel++ 12:54 kf oleonard: oh 12:55 marcelr bgkriegel++ 12:57 kf marcelr++ too :) 12:57 marcelr :) 12:58 bgkriegel marcelr++ of course! I was reading that bug earlier. 13:42 oleonard Can public reports use runtime parameters? 13:43 jcamins oleonard: there's a patch for that. 13:43 jcamins But, I don't think they can yet. 13:44 oleonard Bug 9915 13:44 wahanui Bug 9915 is, like, a nice one 13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9915 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Allow opac/svc/report to be passed sql parameters 13:45 marcelr pings bgkriegel 13:46 jcamins marcelr: you can fix the UTF-8utf-8 problem by removing the UTF-8 line in your ~/.gitrc 13:46 oleonard Are public reports automatically limited? 13:46 marcelr jcamins: that was gone now 13:46 marcelr i will check gitrc 13:46 jcamins oleonard: I don't think you can get more than 20 results without specifying a custom limit. 13:47 bgkriegel marcelr, I have the same problem that jcamins menitioned 13:47 marcelr what exactly 13:48 marcelr i resubmitted one of the patches 13:48 bgkriegel with the last patch, fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8 13:48 marcelr shoud be solved now'\ 13:48 bgkriegel ok :) 13:48 marcelr i will resubmit two patches without uri_unescape 13:49 marcelr we do not need it; cgi will take care of that correctly 13:49 marcelr tested with %.. etc 13:49 kf jcamins, oleonard: jcmains did a syspref for that I think - how many max 13:49 kf oleonard: maybe set that high and then use limit in the sql? 13:49 jcamins kf: ohhh, that's how I got a higher number. 13:49 kf ;) 13:49 jcamins I know I'd done it. 13:49 jcamins *knew 13:49 kf yeah, because I complained to you :D 13:50 jcamins Really? I would've thought that I complained to myself. 13:50 oleonard I guess a follow up could be to allow passing limit numbers to be passed to opac/svc/report 13:53 kf oleonard: that sounds like you are working on a nice feature? :) 13:53 oleonard No, just wanting to do some things with public reports :) 13:54 kf exactly :) 13:55 oleonard Not that I really want them public, I just want to be able to get at the JSON from outside Koha 14:09 jcamins What was I doing five minutes ago? 14:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #308 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #308: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/308/ 14:09 jcamins I got up for a glass of water, and now that I've come back I can't remember. 14:09 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update reports section with new group options 14:09 jcamins Oh! Security. 14:09 oleonard jcamins: How should we know? It's not in the log! 14:10 jcamins oleonard: You've been working with me for how long? I figured you should just be able to intuit it. 14:10 oleonard Not long enough I guess. I was going to go with "Thinking about cats." 14:12 jcamins Heh. 14:19 bgkriegel marcelr++, you have fixed Bug 9579 as well. Our friend Karam will be very happy 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9579 major, P1 - high, ---, fridolyn.somers, Failed QA , Incorrect display of UNICODE symbols in 'Refine Search Results' 14:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #309 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #309: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/309/ 14:24 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC & HighlightOwnItemsOnOPACWhich 14:24 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update circ menu image 14:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #310 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #310: SUCCESS in 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/310/ 14:39 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update offline circ 14:40 marcelr bgkriegel: are you signing off on the followups? 14:41 bgkriegel yes, in a minute 14:41 marcelr very good; did you find other occurrences? 14:42 marcelr i will see it later; bye 14:50 kf :) 14:53 oleonard My library is on 3.10.3 now (just upgraded from 3.8.5), and the only comment I've gotten so far about the changes is to point out Bug 9917 14:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9917 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Routing list tab on patron account should depend on syspref/permission 14:55 kf oleonard: yeah... I figured tht woudl happen here too 14:55 kf oleonard: does it mean you are going to fix it? :) 14:56 oleonard I haven't looked into it. I would be willing if it is within my capabilities. 14:57 oleonard I would think we shouldn't show the tab if the patron isn't on any routing lists, but that may not be the most efficient way to do it 14:57 oleonard I don't know how much that repeated query matters 14:58 kf maybe just make it depend on the pref? 14:58 kf only makes sense if you use routing lists anyway 14:59 oleonard That would be the top-level check, yeah 14:59 kf ah 14:59 oleonard What does routing permission do? 14:59 kf but you wanted it to go down 14:59 oleonard Give you the right to be on a routing list? Or give you the right to build a routing list? 14:59 kf build 14:59 kf that's why I am not sure it fits 14:59 oleonard Yeah I don't think so 15:00 kf so do we need another? 15:00 kf can see routing lists? 15:00 kf indesign-- 15:00 oleonard If the syspref is on, people still don't need to see the tab if they're not on any lists. So there ought to be more to it. 15:01 oleonard But it could certainly be fixed in stages. 15:02 gmcharlt @quote random 15:02 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #103: "<cait>: Nobody can find you hiding in Search.pm ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 09:18 PM, November 13, 2010) 15:02 oleonard Hiding in Search.pm is like hiding in a dark cave full of spiders. Why would you want to? 15:04 * oleonard always gets disoriented when paul_p appears on the DRUPAL4LIB mailing list :) 15:04 paul_p oleonard ;-) 15:04 oleonard I'm all, "Hey I know that guy!" 15:04 kf oleonard: well... I didn't state it was healthy 15:07 oleonard Hm, the routing lists tab got added to circ-menu.inc but not circ-menu.tt 15:12 kf oh yes, forgot to file that 15:15 oleonard *and* the routing lists tab doesn't have correct capitalization :P 15:15 kf *sigh* 15:15 * oleonard is fixing 15:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #311 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #311: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/311/ 15:24 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add renewal period to circ/fine matrix 15:24 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix capitalization 15:46 oleonard Hopefully Bug 9917 can be added to 3.10.x too 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9917 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Routing list tab on patron account should depend on syspref/permission 15:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #312 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #312: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/312/ 15:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add items.fine notation 15:54 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add another reference to items.fine 16:05 * druthb waves to melia 16:05 melia hi druthb :) 16:06 druthb :P 16:07 edveal hi druthb 16:07 reiveune bye 17:28 kf bgkriegel++ 17:29 kf happy Easter - friday and monday are holdiays here :) 18:29 gaetan_B bye ! 18:48 druthb @later tell gaetan_B in re: your note about right-to-left, I've had occasion to work at that. Longer message via list later tonight. 18:48 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded. 19:10 jcamins ms_access-- 19:11 druthb microsoft-- 19:14 jcamins microsoft-- # good point, the company is definitely responsible for the software 19:45 oleonard Bye #koha 19:58 rambutan ping bob 20:36 rambutan @seen trea 20:36 huginn rambutan: trea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 22 hours, 38 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <trea> o/ 20:36 rambutan @seen edveal 20:36 huginn rambutan: edveal was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 29 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <edveal> hi druthb 20:37 edveal hello rambutan 20:41 rambutan @seen bag 20:41 huginn rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 3 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <bag> nevermind :) 20:41 bag hi 20:41 wahanui salut, bag 20:47 * cait waves 20:53 bag heya cait 22:12 * wizzyrea waves 22:32 jcamins So much for Goodreads offering an alternative source of reviews, eh? 22:33 bag so much 22:33 jcamins It was nice while it lasted. 22:33 bag I thought that could have been "good" :P 22:33 jcamins All... week. 22:41 liw that opens an opportunity for a new competitor, preferably one designed so it will stay out of the hands of the evil empires 22:42 jcamins liw: yeah, now it just has to show up. 22:44 wizzyrea aw what happened? 22:44 liw Amazon bought Goodreads 22:44 wizzyrea aw 22:44 wizzyrea not so good. 22:45 wizzyrea i'm sad to report that i'm not sure anyone is safe from evil empires. 22:45 jcamins That is true. 22:47 wizzyrea much to the dismay of freedom and openness lovers everywhere. 22:47 liw I have, from time to time, pondered on a possible federated or distributed solution to reviews: people publish them on their own sites (or blogs), and dedicated search engines gather and process the data -- and anyone can set one of those up -- but I haven't come up with a solution to the fundamental problem of scamming, spamming, hoaxing, and marketing 22:48 jcamins liw: ... reddit? 22:48 jcamins Minus the seedier bits. 22:49 liw jcamins, reddit has its share of shrewd marketers who push good stuff about themselves onto the front pages of various subreddits, such as TIL 22:49 jcamins liw: right, reddit has all the problems you mentioned, but isn't that basically what reddit is (full disclosure: I am not a redditor). 22:50 jcamins *? 22:50 liw reddit is also centralized, and already owned by a large media corp :) 22:50 * jcamins did not know that. 22:50 liw Conde Nast, specifically 22:50 liw but it does have a strong point in that users mostly vote the good stuff up 22:51 liw but, on the other hand, I'd like something based on "I'd like to see what my friends like", in the PGP web of trust style... but this is getting too complicated to describe over irc, and I 22:52 liw 'm hijacking #koha to spout my crazy ideas, and it's past bedtime already... 22:52 jcamins Hehe. 22:52 * jcamins has been known to talk about his new catalog, Biblionarrator, on #koha. 22:53 liw (I might talk about my idea for a "e-book library on a uSD card" idea some day, once I've thought about it some more) 22:57 jcamins [off] BTW, for those of you following along with the Biblionarrator saga, I have a bona fide user now! 23:00 wizzyrea liw - idreambooks.com kin of does that - it aggregates review 23:00 wizzyrea reviews* 23:00 jcamins Yeah, but it's rather more centralized. 23:00 wizzyrea yep 23:00 wizzyrea it only goes after "professional" reviews 23:00 wizzyrea kind of like rottentomatoes 23:01 wizzyrea liw - and we like crazy ideas here 23:01 wizzyrea because you never know which part of a crazy idea will be actually practical someday. 23:20 wizzyrea does anyone here know what the "flag" hidden value in the framework editor does/ 23:20 wizzyrea ? 23:21 jcamins wizzyrea: no. 23:21 jcamins I think we concluded it just means "flag." 23:21 jcamins Obvious tautology is obvious! 23:21 jcamins And redundant! 23:21 wizzyrea lol fair enough 23:23 wizzyrea but flag for what?! 23:23 * wizzyrea runs screaming 23:24 jcamins Flagging. :P 23:30 * wizzyrea boggles some more. 23:35 gmcharlt signal for us to design and fly a Koha flag? 23:45 wizzyrea i like it!