Time Nick Message 01:13 tcohen has anyone successfully mocked two libs one depending on the other using Test::Mockmodule ? 01:25 Guest331 I could hug whoever added the floating button on sysprefs. 01:26 * wizzyrea guesses oleonard 01:26 cjh heh 01:29 tcohen and the marc subfields editor wizzyrea, please give a hug for that one too! 01:30 wizzyrea YES, that is definitely in the cards when next we meet. 01:30 wizzyrea I am going to owe a lot of hugs for 3.12 I suspect 01:30 wizzyrea which is TOTALLY OK 01:30 * cjh imagines a 'hug a wizzyrea' line at the next kohacon 01:30 wizzyrea hm. 01:30 wizzyrea lol. 01:31 wizzyrea I would hug every koha developer 01:31 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4 01:31 wizzyrea but you can't hug every cat 01:32 tcohen hahahah 01:32 bgkriegel :) 01:39 tcohen @wizzyrea this is florencio http://snag.gy/qLMAP.jpg 01:39 huginn tcohen: I've exhausted my database of quotes 01:40 tcohen wizzyrea this is florencio http://snag.gy/qLMAP.jpg 01:41 wizzyrea that is a cute cat 01:41 wizzyrea I would hug that cat. 02:23 wizzyrea mtj were you trying to get me earlier? 02:25 druthb o/ 02:25 wizzyrea hi druthb :) 02:25 druthb hi, wizzyrea! :) 03:10 wizzyrea Dear QA-ers, bug 9922 is now ready for you 03:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9922 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , holds queue shows home library with AutomaticReturn 06:06 dcook Quick question...the Kohacon web form doesn't send out a registration confirmation, does it? 06:11 cait dcook: hm it used to, but not sure how it's set up this year 06:11 dcook Hmm, good to know, cait :) 06:12 cait or maybe not, not sure :) 06:12 cait actually, just ignore me :) 06:13 dcook lol 06:13 dcook But I haven't talked to you in a while! 06:13 dcook So I'll take what I can get :p 06:14 cait it's not my fault you always run out on me :) 06:15 dcook Touché :p. I should probablyl think about leaving again pretty soon. Movie watching and learning about cryptography :). 06:17 cait ah 06:17 cait just for fun or for a project? 06:17 cait cryptography 06:19 dcook Oh it's just for fun. A few nerd friends invited me along, and I thought it would be fun and good to know. 06:31 cait ah 06:31 cait hm I can't reproduce 9922 06:31 cait bug 9922 06:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9922 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , holds queue shows home library with AutomaticReturn 06:31 cait which wizzyrea was here.... 06:40 dcook Hmm, I never noticed that syspref before 06:41 dcook Got to run this time though. Good luck! Have a good one, cait. 07:21 christophe_c hello #koha 07:37 rangi hmm im not sure its worth answering that person, since they appear to have not read a single response yet 07:37 reiveune hello 07:37 rangi hi reiveune 07:38 alex_a hello 07:38 wahanui niihau, alex_a 07:39 * kf waves 07:39 kf good morning/evening #koha 07:41 rangi hi alex_a and kf 07:41 rangi oh and christophe_c too 07:41 alex_a rangi: hi ! 07:41 christophe_c hi rangi;-) 08:04 rangi ok, i need a biblibran 08:05 rangi in terms of students/staff is Aix-Marseille Université the biggest one you know of, at 68,000 ? 08:05 * kf needs Joubu and or paul_p for a question too :) 08:26 gaetan_B hello 08:27 rangi hi gaetan_B 08:46 rangi hmm no one about? 08:47 kf gaetan_B is - but he is not in marseille 08:48 gaetan_B hello kf :) need someone from Marseille ? 08:48 kf gaetan_B: rangi asked earlier: in terms of students/staff is Aix-Marseille Université the biggest one you know of, at 68,000 ? 08:48 kf and I was hping to catch Joubu or paul_p about the missing unit tests for one of the features jared pushed 08:48 kf because he will pull it out if we don't have unit tests 08:50 gaetan_B Aix/Marseille is probably the biggest we know 08:51 gaetan_B but i'll ask to make sure 08:51 rangi thank you gaetan_B 08:52 kf gaetan_B++ :) 08:53 gaetan_B rangi: you mean among libraries using Koha i guess ? not in terms of university ? 08:54 gaetan_B (because it's clearly not the biggest university in France) 08:54 rangi yeah, using koha 08:54 rangi we had a 27,000 student uni thinking "we are too big" 08:55 rangi i just wanted to point out that there are much bigger ones using koha than that 08:55 gaetan_B so yes aix/marseille has to be the biggest we know of 08:55 gaetan_B they are pretty big indeed :) 08:55 rangi thanks 08:55 rangi I know there is one in Bolivia, that has 65,000 08:56 rangi and Adis Ababa university has 50,000 08:56 rangi but so far Aix/Marseille still wins :) 08:56 gaetan_B \o/ 08:56 gaetan_B i didn't know Adis Ababa was using Koha! 08:56 gaetan_B nice to read about it 08:57 rangi yup 08:58 rangi there are a couple in ethiopia using koha 08:58 drojf good morning #koha 08:59 gaetan_B kf: as for your question if Paul and Jonathan seem to be too busy to answer you here and the problem indeed is urgent, maybe send them a short email 08:59 rangi gaetan_B: http://libcat.aau.edu.et/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 09:00 kf gaetan_B: yeah - probably a good idea 09:00 rangi looks like aroudn 230k bibliographice records 09:35 clrh Jonathan should be connected at the end of morning cc kf gaetan_B 09:44 kf hi clrh - thx :) 10:33 kf hi francharb` and frido_s :) 10:35 kf @later tell drojf - translated 3.8 and 3.10 and checked files, hopefully didn't miss any errors 10:35 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:36 drojf kf: you could have told me now ;) 10:36 kf ah 10:36 kf you are never here... how would I know :P 10:36 drojf i have been here for hours 10:36 drojf oh well, that is not true :D 10:36 drojf almost two 10:37 drojf kf++ 10:40 Joubu hello 10:40 kf hi Joubu 10:40 Joubu kf: about missing unit tests, I will do it today 10:40 kf oh awesome 10:41 kf I was wondering if you might not be around or something and got a bit worried .) 10:41 kf I would really like to keep the feature in :) 10:41 Joubu I was not available last 2 days 10:41 kf ah 10:42 kf hope it's not too much 10:47 kf drojf: started with OPAC 3.12 10:48 drojf i thought that should be done in may? 10:48 * drojf is confused 10:48 kf there are already updated files now 10:48 drojf ok 10:48 kf and I think OPAC won't change much now 10:48 kf but the help files are still missing 10:49 drojf those should be the biggest part, right? 10:49 kf yep 11:20 jcamins kf: yes, bug 9811 needs unit tests. 11:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patrons search improvements 11:40 ambz greetigns 11:40 ambz *greetings 11:41 ambz I have a question about cataloging a serial publication. 11:42 jcamins It's a trap! 11:42 ambz Our library has around 100 issues of a periodical, which is published with a monthly frequency. 11:42 ambz huh? 11:42 jcamins ambz: go on. 11:43 jcamins I dislike serials cataloging. 11:43 ambz jcamins: me too :) 11:43 ambz I've created one MARC record to represent the serial and I've added a subscription to represent the influx of new issues. 11:44 ambz Can I bulk-add all the (hundreds of) back issues that the library already has. 11:44 ambz ? 11:44 ambz Or rather, how much of a bulk-add is possible. 11:45 jcamins What I would do is use manual history. 11:45 ambz I don't quite follow... 11:45 jcamins Huh. 11:46 jcamins There is no documentation on manual history. 11:46 jcamins At least, none that I can see. 11:46 jcamins If you edited the subscription, you'll see a checkbox that lets you choose "Manual history." 11:47 ambz Okay... 11:47 jcamins If you click that, a bunch of boxes will appear that allow you to enter in a list of all the issues you have received. 11:48 jcamins Then in received issues you can enter in the list of issues you have. 11:58 ambz Right, so I checked "manual history" 11:58 ambz But how do I receive issues en masse? 11:58 jcamins I don't believe you can, but I also don't know why you would. 11:59 jcamins I guess if you had items. 11:59 ambz Uh well, it would save someone the effort of manually adding hundreds of items... 12:00 ambz If I could just add one item for each of the back issues, it would really help. 12:00 jcamins If you're using items and the barcodes are in the system, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to avoid handling each and every one of them. 12:00 jcamins *aren't 12:01 jcamins Personally, I don't use items for any serials that are issued more often than once a quarter. 12:01 ambz oh? 12:01 ambz how do you manage them then? 12:02 jcamins Just using the serials module. 12:02 jcamins Most libraries I work with don't circulate serials until they've been bound. 12:02 ambz How would you check out a magazine that didn't have an item and a barcode? 12:02 jcamins Right. That's the trick. 12:03 jcamins I wouldn't. I can't recall ever being at a library that did circulate magazines, either. 12:04 ambz Oh. 12:04 jcamins If the items aren't already in the system, someone is going to have to scan the barcode associated with each one. 12:05 ambz Right. 12:05 jcamins If the items are already in the system, I see no reason why you can't just write "Issue 1 (July 2001)-Issue 200 (Whenever, 20xx)" in the manual history field, same as for serials that don't generate items. 12:07 ambz Okay, so if you're not circulating magazines... what exactly are you using the serials module for? Just tracking subscriptions (this month's issue is late/missing/received)? 12:08 jcamins Yes. 12:08 ambz Oh. I see :) 12:09 jcamins Do you ever get the magazines back when they circulate? 12:10 ambz Why would most libraries choose to not circulate periodicals? (I'm thinking if our nascent library should also have a rule to forbid circulation of magazines)? 12:10 ambz Magazines don't come back? 12:10 ambz Ouch. 12:10 jcamins Often not. 12:10 jcamins And everyone wants to read them at the exact same time. 12:11 jcamins So the first person to get the magazine prevents every other patron from making use of the library's subscription. 12:12 jcamins Even academic journals the only reason they generally get barcodes -- in my experience -- is so that they can be store off-site. 12:13 jcamins *stored 12:13 ambz Makes sense, actually. 12:14 * ambz is really glad he consulted jcamins today 12:14 jcamins :) 12:15 ambz Thanks a lot, I'm going to present all of this newfound information to our librarian and request her to not circulate periodicals. It will make life much easier too. Especially cataloging all of those 100s of magazines will be obviated now :D 12:16 jcamins Hehe. 12:16 jcamins Depending on your users it may make sense to circulate magazines... 12:16 jcamins but I can't really imagine how. 12:17 ambz In our case, we have some rather valuable, hard-to-get issues of some magazines that shouldn't be lent out, now that I think about it. 12:17 ambz So your advice fits my use case. 12:18 kf heh 12:21 kf jcamins: do you know if the database jenkins uses can be downloaded somewhere? 12:22 kf I think jenkins has some additoinal data that are not in the sample data maybe? 12:26 jcamins kf: http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/jenkinsdb.sql.bz2 <-- missing a BK item type 12:27 kf cool thx jcamins 12:27 kf maybe we should put it somewhere for developers to use? 12:27 jcamins Probably. 12:33 alohabot Hi mib_s5rhdo, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 12:35 ambz jcamins: btw, I now have a working prototype of the GoogleBooks -->MARC adapter for importing into the Koha catalog. 12:35 ambz would you like to check it out, if you have a few spare minutes? 12:43 jcamins ambz: awesome! 12:43 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins 12:44 jcamins I have to leave shortly, but what I'd suggest is opening a bug on bugzilla and posting the patch. 12:45 ambz Great, I'll do that. Thanks :) 12:59 H Hy hoha question .... we did update the titel field for some records in mysql .... i did run a sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f but in the results the old titel is still there (the file itself is ok) anny tips 13:01 jcamins H: yes, restore from your backup and update the MARC. 13:01 jcamins You cannot make changes via MySQL. 13:02 H it where like 24000 files who had to change 13:02 jcamins Use MarcEdit or something like that. 13:02 jcamins Or write a script. 13:02 H can i not run a full reindex off zebra 13:02 jcamins No you cannot. 13:03 jcamins Updating the fields in MySQL will not work. 13:03 H ... 13:03 H would koha-rebuild-zebra --full koha-oe help ? 13:03 jcamins No. 13:04 jcamins Zebra does not use the data in the MySQL biblio table. 13:04 jcamins Just the MARC. 13:05 H lucky we made a backup :) 13:07 jcamins Very! 13:07 * jcamins is pro-backup. 13:07 H anny tips how we can do it the database admin sitting next to me 13:09 jcamins Take a look at the script in misc/maintenance/touch_all_biblios.pl. 13:09 jcamins You can copy that script and create a rename script. 13:12 jcamins A lot of people just export all their records and edit them in MarcEdit, too. 13:12 H how does that work ? 13:12 H can you take your items back with it ? 13:13 H i did my original from marcedit 13:13 H import 13:13 jcamins You can just tell Koha to ignore the items and overlay the bibs. 13:14 H yes but can i match on title ? 13:14 jcamins Yes, but I recommend against it. 13:15 jcamins You should match on biblionumber, in 999$c. 13:15 H not all my records have isbn numbers 13:15 H ah 13:16 jcamins Okay, time to head into the city. 13:16 jcamins Good luck. 13:16 H thx for the information 13:16 H :) 13:19 marcelr hi koha 13:38 rambutan @seen bag 13:38 huginn rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 15 hours, 19 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <bag> oh hey hankbank 13:39 rambutan @seen jcamins 13:39 huginn rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 23 minutes and 32 seconds ago: <jcamins> Good luck. 13:39 rambutan @seen fred 13:39 huginn rambutan: fred was last seen in #koha 2 years, 9 weeks, 6 days, 20 hours, 45 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <Fred> thanks a lot for ur help, bye all! 13:40 marcelr @seen my keys 13:40 huginn marcelr: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. 13:40 marcelr :) 13:52 druthb kf++ 13:55 druthb hm. 13:57 * druthb gets out the velcro 14:10 kf druthb: what did I do? 14:11 druthb wait…i need a reason to plus-plus you? 14:11 druthb who knew? 14:11 druthb …but I do have one. Thanks for backing me up on translation stuff while I've been busy with the move! 14:11 kf tsk 14:11 kf oh 14:11 kf sure thing 14:11 kf hope it's all ok :) 14:12 druthb yep! 14:12 kf marcelr++ :) 14:13 kf marcelr: thx for taking a look at the encoding stuff - much appreciated 14:23 marcelr kf++ 14:24 kf Joubu++ too :) 14:24 jcamins joubu++ 14:24 kf RM happy? :) 14:24 marcelr joubu++ 14:25 marcelr jcamins: how about my question on feature freeze? 14:25 jcamins marcelr: responding now. 14:25 marcelr so fast :) 14:28 Joubu kf, jcamins: I'm not pleased with myself. Unit tests are quite dirty but I didn't find another way to do it... 14:29 jcamins Joubu: I will take a look ASAP (probably not until tomorrow), and let you know if I have any other ideas. 14:32 jcamins I don't really see how you could do it any differently. 14:32 jcamins The important thing is that now if there's a regression, we'll spot it. 14:35 kf jcamins: hm not sure, but friday is a holiday here - might be the same in france? 14:35 kf easter 14:36 jcamins Kind of late, isn't it? 14:36 kf Joubu: what about easter holidays in france? friday and monday too? 14:37 jcamins Since the unit tests are there, I won't revert 5343. 14:37 kf jcamins: don't ask me - I don't place the holidays :) 14:40 Joubu kf: no, just monday 14:40 kf oh 14:42 jcamins Well, I wrote a response. 14:42 marcelr jcamins: thx, looking 14:43 jcamins Ooh, it even sent. 14:43 jcamins I was about to paste it and ask someone else to sent it to the list. 14:43 marcelr someone else? 14:43 wahanui someone else is going to have to look at acquisitions 14:44 jcamins I don't have a fully-functional internet connection. 14:44 kf right wahanui, excellent idea .) 14:44 kf it arrived jcamins 14:44 kf all good 14:44 marcelr jcamins: remains that some authors could mark it as enh, and then it could be ignored by qa 14:45 jcamins That is true. 14:45 jcamins I'm trying to reclassify bugs as they're reported... when I notice, anyway. 14:45 kf also some bugs end as enh 14:45 kf because it's the default 14:46 kf I have hope that we will go under 100 in the qa week over easter 14:46 marcelr i would have marked my example as enh :) 14:46 kf (until next week) 14:46 jcamins Yeah, but there's really nothing we can do about that. 14:46 kf shoter list - better overview, I hope 14:47 jcamins marcelr: it's a bug fix because your new feature that is already in Koha is advertised as making all the fields show up. 14:47 marcelr kf: you should add a filter on signed off 14:47 jcamins If one of the fields doesn't show up, librarians are going to think it doesn't exist. 14:47 marcelr skipping the enh and features 14:47 jcamins At least, that's how I interpreted your scenario. 14:47 marcelr yeah, i see; there will always be discussion 14:48 jcamins And of course you can always ask about a particular bug report. 14:48 marcelr kf: then we are way below 100 14:48 jcamins Ordinarily I'll be at my e-mail more, but yesterday and the day before were the holiday. 14:48 marcelr ok 14:49 marcelr i will probably look at some enh in the queue too (for a possible update to bug) 14:52 kf sorry phone! 14:52 jcamins How many bugs are currently open in Bugzilla? 14:54 jcamins >2800 14:54 marcelr wow 14:54 jcamins Wait, no. 14:54 jcamins That includes pushed to Master and Pushed to Stable. 14:55 marcelr who will file bug 10000 14:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 was not found. 14:55 marcelr not yet 14:55 jcamins 2200 15:15 kf crazy busy today 15:15 kf reading back now 15:15 marcelr kf: don't worry 15:15 marcelr nothing important :) 15:16 kf ah 15:16 kf yeah I have filters - but I like to see the number on the dashboard go down too :) 15:17 kf btw - did someone notice the blocker I filed this morning? 15:17 kf about not being able to edit issuing rules for specific libraries? 15:17 marcelr what number 15:18 kf somewhat close to 10.000? ;) 15:18 kf 9933 15:18 marcelr bug 9933 15:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries 15:18 kf I think it's a missing parameter branch somewhere 15:19 marcelr related to the patch on editing rules? 15:20 kf hm no I don't think that's the problem actually 15:20 kf but it might, or to the new renewal period 15:20 kf or both together causing some weird side effect 15:21 kf I think it's probably easy to fix - just have to find out where the library goes missing 15:21 jcamins I think the renewal period, most likely. 15:21 jcamins Because editing a specific library's rule worked when I tried it. 15:21 kf because the logs are clean - it just always applies your change to all libraries which is branchcode = empty 15:40 marcelr bgkriegel++ 15:42 kf marcelr: what did he do this time? :) 15:42 marcelr he is faster than fast 15:44 kf lightning speed? 15:44 * kf gets out the cape for bernardo 15:44 marcelr :) 15:45 kf bug 9902 is also a bad one 15:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , item subfields not populating in 3.10 15:45 kf serials 15:45 marcelr yeah 15:47 marcelr @seen bgkriegel 15:47 kf work never ends... :) 15:47 huginn marcelr: bgkriegel was last seen in #koha 14 hours, 14 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <bgkriegel> :) 15:48 marcelr if bgkriegel sees bug 6554, things will get better :) 15:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Failed QA , Broken encoding in members home/search page 15:48 kf marcelr: did you get an answer to your question about reservecontraints? 15:48 kf I just found the mail in my inbox because I wanted to check our installations for it :) 15:48 marcelr no, but i should just delete all refs to it 15:49 marcelr there is a report for it\ 15:49 kf it might be worth taking a look at what it was used for 15:49 marcelr hard to find? 15:49 kf yeah probably 15:49 kf asking the elders maybe... rangi 15:49 marcelr i mailed the list 15:49 kf yep 15:50 kf it's empty in our oldest installation too 15:50 marcelr it is 2.x 16:09 reiveune bye 16:11 oleonard Hi #koha 16:11 * oleonard straggles in 16:12 jcamins I'm reading an interesting book called Producing Open Source Software : how to run a successful free software project. http://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html 16:12 jcamins Everyone running for election in the 3.14 release cycle should read it. 16:24 druthb Hi, oleonard! :) 16:24 druthb jcamins: Well suggested! I've bookmarked it for later reading! 16:24 oleonard druthb: Have you convinced your employers to start offering Koha support yet? 16:24 druthb heh. 16:25 kf jcamins: will we refrain from running afterwards? 16:25 jcamins kf: hmmm... 16:25 jcamins hard to say. 16:25 * druthb velcroes kf down, so she can't run 16:26 druthb oleonard: I *would* like to see it possible to install Koha on a cPanel host environment. It would not be easy. 16:26 kf hmpf 16:27 jcamins druthb: definitely not, since we don't have working RPMs. 16:27 jcamins Or any RPMs. 16:29 druthb I have some thoughts about how to make it go, jcamins. This would allow a hosting provider to offer a Koha plugin. When a customer of theirs wants to use Koha, then a $KOHA_CONF is set up, and you're running multiple instances off one codebase. Gnarly, maybe, at the moment.. 16:30 jcamins druthb: that'd be very cool, but I was talking about getting it installed in the first place being problematic... isn't cPanel RPM-only? 16:30 druthb Some plugins are installed from tarball. 16:31 druthb cPanel *itself* is RPM, and it *prefers* RPM-aware things, but it isn't married to that. 16:31 jcamins Right, but before one can use Koha on an RPM-based distribution, one must install Koha's dependencies. 16:31 druthb Right. There's the rub. 16:32 druthb larryb tried installing Koha on an RHEL system, and eventually had to give up or become a raging maniac. 16:33 kf glad he stopped 16:33 jcamins That was my recollection. 16:34 druthb *right now* that's the big blocker, as I see it. 16:36 nengard druthb is here!! :) 16:36 druthb Hi, nengard! :) 16:37 nengard how goes it? 16:38 druthb awesome sauce! 16:39 druthb Anyone here planning on being at YAPC::NA in Austin in June? Or YAPC::EU in Kiev in August? I'll be at both... 16:39 nengard anyone looking for easy patches to sign off on? bug 9850 has several - and more on the way :) 16:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 critical, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update 16:40 oleonard Kiev eh druthb? That sounds cool. 16:40 druthb yah, I'm looking forward to it. 16:40 druthb Plus two other conferences for cPanel, plus KohaCon…travelin' fool this year. 16:42 druthb http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4710 16:43 druthb I submitted my talk abstract *yesterday*, and the orgs have already approved it. I'm amazed. 16:44 kf cool 16:44 kf what*s the title? 16:46 kf bye all :) 16:46 druthb http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4710 16:46 druthb grr. 16:46 kf hm doesn't work for me 16:47 druthb "An Ecological View of an Open-Source Community: Koha" 16:47 kf oh sounds interesting 16:47 kf now I know why you bookmarked the book :) 16:47 druthb :D 16:47 jcamins It's a nice fast read, too. 16:48 jcamins I started it yesterday and I'm 40% of the way through. 16:48 kf but you are quite a fast reader :) 16:48 kf andn ow I should leave while there is still a bit of sun out there! 16:48 kf cya later or tomororw! 18:47 jcamins Hey, I had a thought. 18:47 jcamins nengard: a lot of the help patches are just changing the link from /3.10/ to /3.12/ right? 18:47 nengard most of them are 18:47 nengard but some I'm updating if the module changed or the manual section changed 18:47 nengard So I review each one 18:47 nengard and compare it to the manual 18:48 jcamins Right, the review is definitely necessary. 18:49 jcamins But I'm wondering if it wouldn't make sense to have a template variable with the "current" manual URL. 18:49 jcamins Then anywhere that the manual hasn't changed you don't need to generate a patch at all. 18:49 jcamins We just update the template variable to .../3.14/ or .../3.16/ or whatever. 18:50 bag that sounds smart to me 18:53 cait jcamins: couldn't that be derived from the kohaversion? 18:54 jcamins cait: I thought about that, and I'm on the fence. 18:54 cait ? 18:54 cait what would you do up thereß 18:55 cait ? 18:55 cait :) 18:55 jcamins Hehe. 18:55 jcamins The question is, what manual should an odd version point to? 18:56 jcamins I guess one option would be to set up redirects for development versions. 18:57 nengard jcamins - actually 18:58 nengard There is a sentence around the link that says learn more about ***** in teh manual 18:58 nengard so I could change that and make it more generic and include it 18:58 nengard but right now I kind of link the fact that it's diff on each 19:01 jcamins It seems like a lot of unnecessary work for the doc manager. 19:01 jcamins Not to mention the RM, of course. 19:01 cait but the sentence can be different 19:02 cait only the link would be generated 19:03 nengard okay 19:03 cait brb 19:05 jcamins I think this connection cuts out on the hour every hour. 19:08 nengard I have an include ready to go 19:08 nengard I'm going to use it going forward and once we get the ones I did pushed I'll submit an update for all of those 19:09 nengard cause I'm on a roll 19:10 jcamins Sounds good. 19:10 cait is the include within an html tag with the vresion` 19:10 cait ? 19:16 cait nengard: hm, seeing your patch in my inbox - it looks like you hardcoded the include to searching? 19:16 cait +<a href="http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/searching.html">manual</a> (online).</strong></p> 19:16 nengard that was before I created the include 19:17 cait hm so there isanother patch? 19:17 nengard hang on 19:17 nengard my head is in 100 places at once 19:17 nengard i might have messed up 19:18 nengard cait, yes I did the searching stuff before the include - there is another patch that I see that has just the ending of that line 19:18 nengard in it's own file 19:18 nengard I will then put that include in all the help files I create from here on out 19:18 cait i am only seeing your patch on the list :) 19:19 cait and that has this link 19:19 nengard http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=16950 19:19 nengard it adds a new file with that link 19:20 cait yes 19:20 nengard i'll update that with each release instead of every help file 19:20 cait but you win nothing with a hardcoded link to searching I think? 19:20 nengard OH!!! 19:20 nengard I see what the problem is 19:20 nengard okay we can't do it as an include 19:20 nengard each link goes to the correct section of the manual 19:20 nengard based on the help file 19:20 nengard so that people don't have to search the manual to find what they want more info on 19:20 cait I think the suggestion was to do something like that 19:21 cait +<a href="http://manual.koha-community.org/[% koha version %]/en/searching.html">manual</a> (online).</strong></p> 19:21 nengard oh! 19:21 nengard GOt it 19:28 nengard there 19:28 nengard much better that way 19:28 nengard then it can be edited for version and language and if we ever move the manual 19:30 cait language is a good idea 19:31 cait nengard: I think ideally we would use variables - language is maybe already there 19:31 cait instead of an include 19:31 nengard I don't know what you mean by variables 19:31 cait the include could confuse the translation script I think 19:32 nengard the version is 3.10.3 or 3.09.100 19:32 nengard and I need 3.10 or 3.12 in the URL 19:32 nengard this way it's one file to edit 19:32 nengard how is it diff from the current help files 19:32 cait I think if you added a new variable to .... what's it called... that would probably work 19:32 cait jcamins: help? 19:32 wahanui i heard help was at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help. 19:33 cait no... not that help wahanui :) 19:33 nengard I kind of feel like decisions to change things should have been made before now - now I need to rush to get these things done 19:33 jcamins nengard: you don't have to change it. 19:33 nengard and can't keep going back and forth 19:33 nengard Well I don't kmind 19:33 jcamins I was suggesting it because there are a gazillion files still to update. 19:33 nengard don't mind 19:33 nengard the include would do what you're suggesting - wouldn't it 19:33 nengard make it so that in the future I don't have to update all the files 19:33 nengard just the include and the help files that have changed? 19:34 cait nengard: I am worreid abou tit getting picked up by the translation scripts 19:34 nengard Is it picked up now? 19:34 cait of course 19:35 cait I have translated a gazillion little bit different sentences 19:35 cait with links to the manual 19:35 cait so if we get that figured out 19:35 cait you would help translators as well :) 19:36 nengard so - here's why i'm confused - if it's picked up now - then why won't it be picked up with the include? 19:36 jcamins nengard: the problem is the text of the include getting picked up, and translated into gibberish. 19:36 nengard hmmm 19:37 cait or not picked up... which might not be a bad thing 19:38 nengard This week I need to get these help files done - so if we have a solution that's going to work that I'm missing let me know ... otherwise I'll do it the way I always have for this release and for the next one we come up with a plan that works for everyone - or we use the include (but I don't want it to break things with translation so I don't need to use it if that's the case) 19:38 cait actually, maybe just leaving it makes no difference.... you can't change the link to point to a translated manual now and you would not be able to do it then I think... but if we make it a variable, then it would need to be a pref maybe 19:38 cait so if you have a translated manual, you can point to it or leave it on en 19:39 nengard right 19:39 cait i am confusing myself now 19:39 nengard hehe 19:39 * jcamins doesn't have a strong feeling. 19:39 cait heh 19:39 cait maybe nengard is right - leave it as it is, figure out a smarter way later 19:39 nengard I'm so worn out - I've been taking care of mom as she recovers from surgery at my house - so if I'm being confusing too that's why 19:39 nengard so - no includes 19:39 nengard ? 19:39 cait oh, hope she recovers well 19:40 nengard she's doing great, it's just tiring for me to do a full time job and take care of her :) so my brain isn't working 100% 19:41 cait neither is mine 19:41 nengard so cait - i just want to be sure I understand what we want ... yes to an include (as it is now) or no to an include (just update each file for now) 19:41 cait still fighting with that cold 19:41 nengard :( 19:41 cait I think leave it as it was 19:41 cait would be safest 19:41 nengard okey dokey 19:41 nengard works for me 19:45 nengard patches are all marked un-obsolete :) 19:45 nengard now on to the next one 19:51 wizzyrea cait - on 9922 do a bib level 19:51 wizzyrea hold 19:51 cait hm 19:51 wizzyrea item level holds were never the problem. 19:51 cait but it seemed wrong for item level too 19:51 cait but I will try 19:52 wizzyrea the behaviour you saw was the right behaviour 19:52 cait ok 19:52 wizzyrea kyle forgot an "apply the patch" in there 19:52 cait I will trust the expert 19:52 cait oh there is one 19:52 wizzyrea you always want the hold queue to select from holding branch, never home branch 19:52 cait but I did an item level - because i wanted it to pick the one with the dfferent home and holding branch 19:52 cait and i had several items on the record 19:53 wizzyrea yea, that's fine 19:53 wizzyrea it was picking the holding branch, right>? 19:53 cait wizzyrea: I thought it was doing home branch 19:53 wizzyrea no 19:53 cait that's why I thought it was wrong 19:53 wizzyrea you say holding branch fairfield 19:53 cait I will check it agian a bit later or in the morning 19:53 wizzyrea yea, it should always pick from holding branch, never ever from homebranch 19:53 wizzyrea that's the behaviour you are looking for :) 19:54 cait yep 19:54 cait at least I had the right thought then :) 19:54 cait now have to check if I confused my branches 19:54 wizzyrea and AIR doesn't factor into it at all - the plan is, really, toggle AIR and nothing should change. 19:54 cait got it 19:54 wizzyrea and the item should come from holdingbranch, always 19:55 wizzyrea (that's the old behaviour) 20:17 cait k 20:18 cait btw - no rangi today? 20:18 wizzyrea not yet - soon 20:18 wizzyrea kid duty :) 20:18 cait aah 20:18 cait was wondering if yo uhad more holidays :) 20:23 gmcharlt @quote random 20:23 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #160: "oleonard: All of humanity's evolution and technological achievement have led to this day, when someone could say simply, 1s, vid and make it so." (added by wizzyrea at 04:23 PM, September 28, 2011) 20:24 wizzyrea it's so true. 20:24 wizzyrea @quote random 20:24 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 04:18 PM, August 06, 2009) 20:24 wizzyrea huginn is feeling philosophical today 20:24 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 20:25 druthb @quote random 20:25 huginn druthb: Quote #202: "<wizzyrea> well and before that I used the garden of razorblades that is OpenBSD." (added by slef at 02:34 PM, April 27, 2012) 20:25 oleonard Who's that "owen" guy huginn is talking about? 20:25 oleonard Haven't heard from him in a while 20:25 druthb Srsly. Or jdavidb. 20:26 druthb :P 20:26 wizzyrea @quote random 20:26 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #198: "<gmcharlt> hobgoblins are stealing our eyes!" (added by slef at 05:49 PM, April 06, 2012) 20:26 wizzyrea ! 20:26 oleonard gmcharlt was seriously tripping that day 20:26 cait @quote random 20:26 huginn cait: Quote #149: "mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!" (added by druthb at 01:15 AM, August 26, 2011) 20:27 gmcharlt I have no memory of that 20:27 druthb @quote random 20:27 huginn druthb: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011) 20:27 wizzyrea also, you cannot log into a koha using username "lolol" 20:27 wizzyrea unless that user exists. 20:27 oleonard Oh, but did you know you can set one user's username to another user's card number? 20:27 wizzyrea not surprising 20:28 cait and that's evil 20:28 druthb @most increased 20:28 huginn druthb: "rangi": 765, "oleonard": 663, "jcamins": 526, "wizzyrea": 391, "cait": 373, "gmcharlt": 370, "chris_n": 313, "paul_p": 278, "kf": 261, "sekjal": 245, "nengard": 238, "magnuse": 217, "druthb": 180, "slef": 176, "eythian": 159, "fredericd": 96, "marcelr": 82, "drojf": 80, "tcohen": 75, "biblibre": 70, "hdl": 69, "mveron": 66, "mtj": 61, "hdl_laptop": 60, and "jwagner": 54 20:28 cait there is a bug around there 20:28 cait I ended up in the wrong patron account once :( 20:28 wizzyrea yea, that completely should not work 20:28 cait i think it's even worse 20:28 cait have you ever tried setting dupliate userids using the patron import? 20:28 druthb @karma druthb 20:28 huginn druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 180 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 179. 20:29 oleonard My staff really likes to put random spaces in people's email addresses during patron entry. 20:29 jcamins @karma jcamins 20:29 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 526 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 524. 20:29 druthb I'm gonna try to break into the 200s this year. Need me a bucket full of awesome. 20:29 jcamins Wow. 524! 20:30 rangi karma for jcamins 20:30 wahanui jcamins has karma of 492 20:30 rangi karma for kf 20:30 wahanui kf has karma of 231 20:30 rangi wahanui has his own tracker 20:30 wahanui rangi: what? 20:30 gmcharlt druthb++ # we know you're awesome! 20:30 druthb puh 20:30 oleonard karma for kittens 20:30 wahanui kittens has neutral karma 20:31 oleonard kittens++ 20:31 druthb karma for oleonard 20:31 wahanui oleonard has karma of 432 20:31 ibeardslee that can't be right 20:31 gmcharlt *boggles* 20:31 rangi and yes we definitely should stop duplicate userid and check for cardnumber 20:31 gmcharlt kittens++ 20:31 oleonard @karma kittens 20:31 huginn oleonard: Karma for "kittens" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 20:35 druthb kittens++ 20:35 druthb cait++ 20:36 cait druthb: again??? 20:38 wizzyrea yea, that's dirty and requires fixing 20:39 wizzyrea phew, I have a ways to go to catch up :) 20:39 wizzyrea but really I think jcamins probably deserves to be ahead ^.^ 20:39 druthb yes, cait. Always. 20:39 rangi @karma 20:39 huginn rangi: Highest karma: "rangi" (759), "oleonard" (658), and "jcamins" (524). Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-101), and "-" (-73). You (rangi) are ranked 1 out of 2436. 20:40 cait @karma cait 20:40 huginn cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 374 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 373. 20:40 cait @karma kf 20:40 huginn cait: Karma for "kf" has been increased 261 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 261. 20:40 rangi @most decreased 20:40 cait hm. 20:40 huginn rangi: "<!": 125, "failed": 101, "-": 76, "ie": 67, "<-": 51, "C4::Search": 32, "windows": 27, "[": 22, "ptfs": 17, "--><!": 14, "liblime": 13, "src="<!": 11, "monday": 10, "it": 10, "^": 10, "-rw-r--r": 10, "marc": 10, "--": 9, "zebra": 9, "me": 8, "windchill": 8, "ms_access": 7, "ms_word": 7, "word": 7, and "oracle": 7 20:40 rangi heh 20:40 * druthb snickers. 20:41 jcamins Heh. 20:41 jcamins I'm responsible for a lot of those. 20:41 jcamins ms_access, windows, C4::Search, and ie have gotten a lot of negative karma from me. 20:41 druthb -++ 20:41 druthb +-- 20:42 * druthb lulz 20:42 druthb @karma - 20:42 huginn druthb: Karma for "-" has been increased 4 times and decreased 76 times for a total karma of -72. 20:42 druthb @karma + 20:42 huginn druthb: Karma for "+" has been increased 9 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 8. 20:42 wizzyrea someone typed +++ a lot 20:42 gmcharlt -++ 20:42 gmcharlt -++ 20:42 wizzyrea @karma + 20:42 huginn wizzyrea: Karma for "+" has been increased 10 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 9. 20:42 gmcharlt -++ 20:42 gmcharlt ;) 20:42 wizzyrea hehehehehe 20:43 wizzyrea JOKES FOR NERDS, JOKES FOR NERDS 20:43 druthb @wunder 77063 20:43 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 22.6°C (3:39 PM CDT on March 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 20:43 druthb @wunder 66046 20:43 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 9.8°C (3:39 PM CDT on March 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Falling). 20:43 druthb @wunder 20852 20:43 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Twinbrook, Rockville, Maryland is 9.5°C (4:40 PM EDT on March 27, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 20:43 gmcharlt @quote add <wizzyrea> JOKES FOR NERDS, JOKES FOR NERDS 20:43 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #238 added. 20:44 druthb imma liking the 22.6 a lot more than the 9.8. 20:47 * druthb heads off to go work out, then home. 20:47 oleonard Later #koha 20:55 * jcamins gloomily contemplates the piles of books on the floor and the empty shelves on the wall. 20:55 jcamins I hate it the way bookshelves are never _quite_ the right height. 20:55 cait jcamins: so you created a mess at your client's? 20:55 jcamins cait: yep. Emptied out three shelves onto the floor. 20:56 cait tsk 21:01 gmcharlt jcamins: quick, blame the cat! 21:01 jcamins Hehe. 21:01 cait hehe 21:01 cait or the dog 21:01 cait even better 21:01 wahanui hmmm... even better is what oleonard said just after that 21:13 bag thanks cait 21:13 bag and HI! 21:13 cait hi :) 21:13 cait not my intent to be difficult on this one - but I still think it needs to be pointed out 21:13 rangi wow 21:14 cait i mean documented :) then it should be alright 21:14 cait rangi: hm? 21:14 rangi failing a first time developers patch 21:14 jcamins :( 21:14 jcamins Did I do that? 21:14 cait I thik he was not aware of that 21:14 rangi for the fact it doesnt address an issue totally not to do with the bug 21:14 cait I will go an fix it 21:14 rangi either way 21:14 wahanui well, either way is workable though imho 21:14 cait do you have the bug number? 21:14 cait I deleted it accidentally earlier and got distracted 21:14 jcamins I don't recall doing that. 21:14 cait was not you 21:14 cait frederic 21:14 jcamins Ah. 21:15 cait rangi: bug? 21:15 wahanui i think bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber 21:15 rangi bug 5658 21:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5658 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, fridolyn.somers, CLOSED FIXED, can't delete subfields in frameworks 21:15 jcamins I don't recall that patch at all. 21:15 rangi hmm no 21:15 rangi bug 5648 21:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5648 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , icons clumping together 21:15 jcamins Still don't. 21:15 * jcamins reads 21:16 rangi updated 21:16 jcamins That sounds like a bug. 21:17 rangi its a different federic, not frederic demian 21:17 rangi just fyi 21:17 cait oh that's right 21:17 wahanui no it's not. 21:17 jcamins Huh. I don't know who that is. 21:17 cait misread 21:21 rangi hehe we keep making jared have to switch it to bug 21:23 jcamins Just so long as you don't do it again. :P 21:23 rangi hehe 21:23 rangi i'd like to have jen stick around koha 21:23 rangi http://www.littlegreenpixel.com/ 21:23 wizzyrea yea, she's good people 21:24 cait I think browser problem 21:24 cait i have that sometimes happening with bug status too 21:25 cait the pull down is still signed off although bug says passed qa above - didn't toch the bug setting :( 21:25 wizzyrea maybe has to do with bz? 21:25 wizzyrea i've noticed that happening too but I didn't pay that much attention 21:26 wizzyrea i thought it was just me 21:26 wizzyrea git bz I mean 21:26 cait nope not you - have been falling into that trap lots lately 21:30 * jcamins leaves for a lecture. 22:15 eythian hi 22:16 rambutan hey 22:20 cait hey eythian - bye all 22:34 bag dumb quesiton - can you z3950 into koha for the item information? 22:35 bag I'm drawing a blank 22:38 bag nevermind :) 23:05 gmcharlt bag: yes # but you probably know that already now ;)