Time  Nick         Message
01:13 tcohen       has anyone successfully mocked two libs one depending on the other using Test::Mockmodule ?
01:25 Guest331     I could hug whoever added the floating button on sysprefs.
01:26 * wizzyrea   guesses oleonard
01:26 cjh          heh
01:29 tcohen       and the marc subfields editor wizzyrea, please give a hug for that one too!
01:30 wizzyrea     YES, that is definitely in the cards when next we meet.
01:30 wizzyrea     I am going to owe a lot of hugs for 3.12 I suspect
01:30 wizzyrea     which is TOTALLY OK
01:30 * cjh        imagines a 'hug a wizzyrea' line at the next kohacon
01:30 wizzyrea     hm.
01:30 wizzyrea     lol.
01:31 wizzyrea     I would hug every koha developer
01:31 wizzyrea     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4
01:31 wizzyrea     but you can't hug every cat
01:32 tcohen       hahahah
01:32 bgkriegel    :)
01:39 tcohen       @wizzyrea this is florencio http://snag.gy/qLMAP.jpg
01:39 huginn       tcohen: I've exhausted my database of quotes
01:40 tcohen       wizzyrea this is florencio http://snag.gy/qLMAP.jpg
01:41 wizzyrea     that is a cute cat
01:41 wizzyrea     I would hug that cat.
02:23 wizzyrea     mtj were you trying to get me earlier?
02:25 druthb       o/
02:25 wizzyrea     hi druthb :)
02:25 druthb       hi, wizzyrea! :)
03:10 wizzyrea     Dear QA-ers, bug 9922 is now ready for you
03:10 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9922 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , holds queue shows home library with AutomaticReturn
06:06 dcook        Quick question...the Kohacon web form doesn't send out a registration confirmation, does it?
06:11 cait         dcook: hm it used to, but not sure how it's set up this year
06:11 dcook        Hmm, good to know, cait :)
06:12 cait         or maybe not, not sure :)
06:12 cait         actually, just ignore me :)
06:13 dcook        lol
06:13 dcook        But I haven't talked to you in a while!
06:13 dcook        So I'll take what I can get :p
06:14 cait         it's not my fault you always run out on me :)
06:15 dcook        Touché :p. I should probablyl think about leaving again pretty soon. Movie watching and learning about cryptography :).
06:17 cait         ah
06:17 cait         just for fun or for a project?
06:17 cait         cryptography
06:19 dcook        Oh it's just for fun. A few nerd friends invited me along, and I thought it would be fun and good to know.
06:31 cait         ah
06:31 cait         hm I can't reproduce 9922
06:31 cait         bug 9922
06:31 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9922 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , holds queue shows home library with AutomaticReturn
06:31 cait         which wizzyrea was here....
06:40 dcook        Hmm, I never noticed that syspref before
06:41 dcook        Got to run this time though. Good luck! Have a good one, cait.
07:21 christophe_c hello #koha
07:37 rangi        hmm im not sure its worth answering that person, since they appear to have not read a single response yet
07:37 reiveune     hello
07:37 rangi        hi reiveune
07:38 alex_a       hello
07:38 wahanui      niihau, alex_a
07:39 * kf         waves
07:39 kf           good morning/evening #koha
07:41 rangi        hi alex_a and kf
07:41 rangi        oh and christophe_c  too
07:41 alex_a       rangi: hi !
07:41 christophe_c hi rangi;-)
08:04 rangi        ok, i need a biblibran
08:05 rangi        in terms of students/staff is Aix-Marseille Université the biggest one you know of, at 68,000 ?
08:05 * kf         needs Joubu and or paul_p for a question too :)
08:26 gaetan_B     hello
08:27 rangi        hi gaetan_B
08:46 rangi        hmm no one about?
08:47 kf           gaetan_B is - but he is not in marseille
08:48 gaetan_B     hello kf :) need someone from Marseille ?
08:48 kf           gaetan_B: rangi asked earlier: in terms of students/staff is Aix-Marseille Université the biggest one you know of, at 68,000 ?
08:48 kf           and I was hping to catch Joubu or paul_p about the missing unit tests for one of the features jared pushed
08:48 kf           because he will pull it out if we don't have unit tests
08:50 gaetan_B     Aix/Marseille is probably the biggest we know
08:51 gaetan_B     but i'll ask to make sure
08:51 rangi        thank you gaetan_B
08:52 kf           gaetan_B++ :)
08:53 gaetan_B     rangi: you mean among libraries using Koha i guess ? not in terms of university ?
08:54 gaetan_B     (because it's clearly not the biggest university in France)
08:54 rangi        yeah, using koha
08:54 rangi        we had a 27,000 student uni thinking "we are too big"
08:55 rangi        i just wanted to point out that there are much bigger ones using koha than that
08:55 gaetan_B     so yes aix/marseille has to be the biggest we know of
08:55 gaetan_B     they are pretty big indeed :)
08:55 rangi        thanks
08:55 rangi        I know there is one in Bolivia, that has 65,000
08:56 rangi        and Adis Ababa university has 50,000
08:56 rangi        but so far Aix/Marseille still wins :)
08:56 gaetan_B     \o/
08:56 gaetan_B     i didn't know Adis Ababa was using Koha!
08:56 gaetan_B     nice to read about it
08:57 rangi        yup
08:58 rangi        there are a couple in ethiopia using koha
08:58 drojf        good morning #koha
08:59 gaetan_B     kf: as for your question if Paul and Jonathan seem to be too busy to answer you here and the problem indeed is urgent, maybe send them a short email
08:59 rangi        gaetan_B: http://libcat.aau.edu.et/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
09:00 kf           gaetan_B: yeah - probably a good idea
09:00 rangi        looks like aroudn 230k bibliographice records
09:35 clrh         Jonathan should be connected at the end of morning cc kf gaetan_B
09:44 kf           hi clrh - thx :)
10:33 kf           hi francharb` and frido_s :)
10:35 kf           @later tell drojf - translated 3.8 and 3.10 and checked files, hopefully didn't miss any errors
10:35 huginn       kf: The operation succeeded.
10:36 drojf        kf: you could have told me now ;)
10:36 kf           ah
10:36 kf           you are never here... how would I know :P
10:36 drojf        i have been here for hours
10:36 drojf        oh well, that is not true :D
10:36 drojf        almost two
10:37 drojf        kf++
10:40 Joubu        hello
10:40 kf           hi Joubu
10:40 Joubu        kf: about missing unit tests, I will do it today
10:40 kf           oh awesome
10:41 kf           I was wondering if you might not be around or something and got a bit worried .)
10:41 kf           I would really like to keep the feature in :)
10:41 Joubu        I was not available last 2 days
10:41 kf           ah
10:42 kf           hope it's not too much
10:47 kf           drojf: started with OPAC 3.12
10:48 drojf        i thought that should be done in may?
10:48 * drojf      is confused
10:48 kf           there are already updated files now
10:48 drojf        ok
10:48 kf           and I think OPAC won't change much now
10:48 kf           but the help files are still missing
10:49 drojf        those should be the biggest part, right?
10:49 kf           yep
11:20 jcamins      kf: yes, bug 9811 needs unit tests.
11:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patrons search improvements
11:40 ambz         greetigns
11:40 ambz         *greetings
11:41 ambz         I have a question about cataloging a serial publication.
11:42 jcamins      It's a trap!
11:42 ambz         Our library has around 100 issues of a periodical, which is published with a monthly frequency.
11:42 ambz         huh?
11:42 jcamins      ambz: go on.
11:43 jcamins      I dislike serials cataloging.
11:43 ambz         jcamins: me too :)
11:43 ambz         I've created one MARC record to represent the serial and I've added a subscription to represent the influx of new issues.
11:44 ambz         Can I bulk-add all the (hundreds of) back issues that the library already has.
11:44 ambz         ?
11:44 ambz         Or rather, how much of a bulk-add is possible.
11:45 jcamins      What I would do is use manual history.
11:45 ambz         I don't quite follow...
11:45 jcamins      Huh.
11:46 jcamins      There is no documentation on manual history.
11:46 jcamins      At least, none that I can see.
11:46 jcamins      If you edited the subscription, you'll see a checkbox that lets you choose "Manual history."
11:47 ambz         Okay...
11:47 jcamins      If you click that, a bunch of boxes will appear that allow you to enter in a list of all the issues you have received.
11:48 jcamins      Then in received issues you can enter in the list of issues you have.
11:58 ambz         Right, so I checked "manual history"
11:58 ambz         But how do I receive issues en masse?
11:58 jcamins      I don't believe you can, but I also don't know why you would.
11:59 jcamins      I guess if you had items.
11:59 ambz         Uh well, it would save someone the effort of manually adding hundreds of items...
12:00 ambz         If I could just add one item for each of the back issues, it would really help.
12:00 jcamins      If you're using items and the barcodes are in the system, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to avoid handling each and every one of them.
12:00 jcamins      *aren't
12:01 jcamins      Personally, I don't use items for any serials that are issued more often than once a quarter.
12:01 ambz         oh?
12:01 ambz         how do you manage them then?
12:02 jcamins      Just using the serials module.
12:02 jcamins      Most libraries I work with don't circulate serials until they've been bound.
12:02 ambz         How would you check out a magazine that didn't have an item and a barcode?
12:02 jcamins      Right. That's the trick.
12:03 jcamins      I wouldn't. I can't recall ever being at a library that did circulate magazines, either.
12:04 ambz         Oh.
12:04 jcamins      If the items aren't already in the system, someone is going to have to scan the barcode associated with each one.
12:05 ambz         Right.
12:05 jcamins      If the items are already in the system, I see no reason why you can't just write "Issue 1 (July 2001)-Issue 200 (Whenever, 20xx)" in the manual history field, same as for serials that don't generate items.
12:07 ambz         Okay, so if you're not circulating magazines... what exactly are you using the serials module for? Just tracking subscriptions (this month's issue is late/missing/received)?
12:08 jcamins      Yes.
12:08 ambz         Oh. I see :)
12:09 jcamins      Do you ever get the magazines back when they circulate?
12:10 ambz         Why would most libraries choose to not circulate periodicals? (I'm thinking if our nascent library should also have a rule to forbid circulation of magazines)?
12:10 ambz         Magazines don't come back?
12:10 ambz         Ouch.
12:10 jcamins      Often not.
12:10 jcamins      And everyone wants to read them at the exact same time.
12:11 jcamins      So the first person to get the magazine prevents every other patron from making use of the library's subscription.
12:12 jcamins      Even academic journals the only reason they generally get barcodes -- in my experience -- is so that they can be store off-site.
12:13 jcamins      *stored
12:13 ambz         Makes sense, actually.
12:14 * ambz       is really glad he consulted jcamins today
12:14 jcamins      :)
12:15 ambz         Thanks a lot, I'm going to present all of this newfound information to our librarian and request her to not circulate periodicals. It will make life much easier too. Especially cataloging all of those 100s of magazines will be obviated now :D
12:16 jcamins      Hehe.
12:16 jcamins      Depending on your users it may make sense to circulate magazines...
12:16 jcamins      but I can't really imagine how.
12:17 ambz         In our case, we have some rather valuable, hard-to-get issues of some magazines that shouldn't be lent out, now that I think about it.
12:17 ambz         So your advice fits my use case.
12:18 kf           heh
12:21 kf           jcamins: do you know if the database jenkins uses can be downloaded somewhere?
12:22 kf           I think jenkins has some additoinal data that are not in the sample data maybe?
12:26 jcamins      kf: http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/jenkinsdb.sql.bz2 <-- missing a BK item type
12:27 kf           cool thx jcamins
12:27 kf           maybe we should put it somewhere for developers to use?
12:27 jcamins      Probably.
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12:35 ambz         jcamins: btw, I now have a working prototype of the GoogleBooks -->MARC adapter for importing into the Koha catalog.
12:35 ambz         would you like to check it out, if you have a few spare minutes?
12:43 jcamins      ambz: awesome!
12:43 wahanui      That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins
12:44 jcamins      I have to leave shortly, but what I'd suggest is opening a bug on bugzilla and posting the patch.
12:45 ambz         Great, I'll do that. Thanks :)
12:59 H            Hy hoha question .... we did update the titel field for some records in mysql .... i did run a sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f but in the results the old titel is still there (the file itself is ok) anny tips
13:01 jcamins      H: yes, restore from  your backup and update the MARC.
13:01 jcamins      You cannot make changes via MySQL.
13:02 H            it where like 24000 files who had to change
13:02 jcamins      Use MarcEdit or something like that.
13:02 jcamins      Or write a script.
13:02 H            can i not run a full reindex off zebra
13:02 jcamins      No you cannot.
13:03 jcamins      Updating the fields in MySQL will not work.
13:03 H            ...
13:03 H            would koha-rebuild-zebra --full koha-oe help ?
13:03 jcamins      No.
13:04 jcamins      Zebra does not use the data in the MySQL biblio table.
13:04 jcamins      Just the MARC.
13:05 H            lucky we made a backup :)
13:07 jcamins      Very!
13:07 * jcamins    is pro-backup.
13:07 H            anny tips how we can do it the database admin sitting next to me
13:09 jcamins      Take a look at the script in misc/maintenance/touch_all_biblios.pl.
13:09 jcamins      You can copy that script and create a rename script.
13:12 jcamins      A lot of people just export all their records and edit them in MarcEdit, too.
13:12 H            how does that work ?
13:12 H            can you take your items back with it ?
13:13 H            i did my original from marcedit
13:13 H            import
13:13 jcamins      You can just tell Koha to ignore the items and overlay the bibs.
13:14 H            yes but can i match on title ?
13:14 jcamins      Yes, but I recommend against it.
13:15 jcamins      You should match on biblionumber, in 999$c.
13:15 H            not all my records have isbn numbers
13:15 H            ah
13:16 jcamins      Okay, time to head into the city.
13:16 jcamins      Good luck.
13:16 H            thx for the information
13:16 H            :)
13:19 marcelr      hi koha
13:38 rambutan     @seen bag
13:38 huginn       rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 15 hours, 19 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <bag> oh hey hankbank
13:39 rambutan     @seen jcamins
13:39 huginn       rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 23 minutes and 32 seconds ago: <jcamins> Good luck.
13:39 rambutan     @seen fred
13:39 huginn       rambutan: fred was last seen in #koha 2 years, 9 weeks, 6 days, 20 hours, 45 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <Fred> thanks a lot for ur help, bye all!
13:40 marcelr      @seen my keys
13:40 huginn       marcelr: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
13:40 marcelr      :)
13:52 druthb       kf++
13:55 druthb       hm.
13:57 * druthb     gets out the velcro
14:10 kf           druthb: what did I do?
14:11 druthb       wait…i need a reason to plus-plus you?
14:11 druthb       who knew?
14:11 druthb       …but I do have one.  Thanks for backing me up on translation stuff while I've been busy with the move!
14:11 kf           tsk
14:11 kf           oh
14:11 kf           sure thing
14:11 kf           hope it's all ok :)
14:12 druthb       yep!
14:12 kf           marcelr++ :)
14:13 kf           marcelr: thx for taking a look at the encoding stuff - much appreciated
14:23 marcelr      kf++
14:24 kf           Joubu++ too :)
14:24 jcamins      joubu++
14:24 kf           RM happy? :)
14:24 marcelr      joubu++
14:25 marcelr      jcamins: how about my question on feature freeze?
14:25 jcamins      marcelr: responding now.
14:25 marcelr      so fast :)
14:28 Joubu        kf, jcamins: I'm not pleased with myself. Unit tests are quite dirty but I didn't find another way to do it...
14:29 jcamins      Joubu: I will take a look ASAP (probably not until tomorrow), and let you know if I have any other ideas.
14:32 jcamins      I don't really see how you could do it any differently.
14:32 jcamins      The important thing is that now if there's a regression, we'll spot it.
14:35 kf           jcamins: hm not sure, but friday is a holiday here - might be the same in france?
14:35 kf           easter
14:36 jcamins      Kind of late, isn't it?
14:36 kf           Joubu: what about easter holidays in france? friday and monday too?
14:37 jcamins      Since the unit tests are there, I won't revert 5343.
14:37 kf           jcamins: don't ask me - I don't place the holidays :)
14:40 Joubu        kf: no, just monday
14:40 kf           oh
14:42 jcamins      Well, I wrote a response.
14:42 marcelr      jcamins: thx, looking
14:43 jcamins      Ooh, it even sent.
14:43 jcamins      I was about to paste it and ask someone else to sent it to the list.
14:43 marcelr      someone else?
14:43 wahanui      someone else is going to have to look at acquisitions
14:44 jcamins      I don't have a fully-functional internet connection.
14:44 kf           right wahanui, excellent idea .)
14:44 kf           it arrived jcamins
14:44 kf           all good
14:44 marcelr      jcamins: remains that some authors could mark it as enh, and then it could be ignored by qa
14:45 jcamins      That is true.
14:45 jcamins      I'm trying to reclassify bugs as they're reported... when I notice, anyway.
14:45 kf           also some bugs end as enh
14:45 kf           because it's the default
14:46 kf           I have hope that we will go under 100 in the qa week over easter
14:46 marcelr      i would have marked my example as enh :)
14:46 kf           (until next week)
14:46 jcamins      Yeah, but there's really nothing we can do about that.
14:46 kf           shoter list - better overview, I hope
14:47 jcamins      marcelr: it's a bug fix because your new feature that is already in Koha is advertised as making all the fields show up.
14:47 marcelr      kf: you should add a filter on signed off
14:47 jcamins      If one of the fields doesn't show up, librarians are going to think it doesn't exist.
14:47 marcelr      skipping the enh and features
14:47 jcamins      At least, that's how I interpreted your scenario.
14:47 marcelr      yeah, i see; there will always be discussion
14:48 jcamins      And of course you can always ask about a particular bug report.
14:48 marcelr      kf: then we are way below 100
14:48 jcamins      Ordinarily I'll be at my e-mail more, but yesterday and the day before were the holiday.
14:48 marcelr      ok
14:49 marcelr      i will probably look at some enh in the queue too (for a possible update to bug)
14:52 kf           sorry phone!
14:52 jcamins      How many bugs are currently open in Bugzilla?
14:54 jcamins      >2800
14:54 marcelr      wow
14:54 jcamins      Wait, no.
14:54 jcamins      That includes pushed to Master and Pushed to Stable.
14:55 marcelr      who will file bug 10000
14:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 was not found.
14:55 marcelr      not yet
14:55 jcamins      2200
15:15 kf           crazy busy today
15:15 kf           reading back now
15:15 marcelr      kf: don't worry
15:15 marcelr      nothing important :)
15:16 kf           ah
15:16 kf           yeah I have filters - but I like to see the number on the dashboard go down too :)
15:17 kf           btw - did someone notice the blocker I filed this morning?
15:17 kf           about not being able to edit issuing rules for specific libraries?
15:17 marcelr      what number
15:18 kf           somewhat close to 10.000? ;)
15:18 kf           9933
15:18 marcelr      bug 9933
15:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries
15:18 kf           I think it's a missing parameter branch somewhere
15:19 marcelr      related to the patch on editing rules?
15:20 kf           hm no I don't think that's the problem actually
15:20 kf           but it might, or to the new renewal period
15:20 kf           or both together causing some weird side effect
15:21 kf           I think it's probably easy to fix - just have to find out where the library goes missing
15:21 jcamins      I think the renewal period, most likely.
15:21 jcamins      Because editing a specific library's rule worked when I tried it.
15:21 kf           because the logs are clean - it just always applies your change to all libraries which is branchcode = empty
15:40 marcelr      bgkriegel++
15:42 kf           marcelr: what did he do this time? :)
15:42 marcelr      he is faster than fast
15:44 kf           lightning speed?
15:44 * kf         gets out the cape for bernardo
15:44 marcelr      :)
15:45 kf           bug 9902 is also a bad one
15:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , item subfields not populating in 3.10
15:45 kf           serials
15:45 marcelr      yeah
15:47 marcelr      @seen bgkriegel
15:47 kf           work never ends... :)
15:47 huginn       marcelr: bgkriegel was last seen in #koha 14 hours, 14 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <bgkriegel> :)
15:48 marcelr      if bgkriegel sees bug 6554, things will get better :)
15:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Failed QA , Broken encoding in members home/search page
15:48 kf           marcelr: did you get an answer to your question about reservecontraints?
15:48 kf           I just found the mail in my inbox because I wanted to check our installations for it :)
15:48 marcelr      no, but i should just delete all refs to it
15:49 marcelr      there is a report for it\
15:49 kf           it might be worth taking a look at what it was used for
15:49 marcelr      hard to find?
15:49 kf           yeah probably
15:49 kf           asking the elders maybe... rangi
15:49 marcelr      i mailed the list
15:49 kf           yep
15:50 kf           it's empty in our oldest installation too
15:50 marcelr      it is 2.x
16:09 reiveune     bye
16:11 oleonard     Hi #koha
16:11 * oleonard   straggles in
16:12 jcamins      I'm reading an interesting book called Producing Open Source Software : how to run a successful free software project. http://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html
16:12 jcamins      Everyone running for election in the 3.14 release cycle should read it.
16:24 druthb       Hi, oleonard!  :)
16:24 druthb       jcamins:  Well suggested!  I've bookmarked it for later reading!
16:24 oleonard     druthb: Have you convinced your employers to start offering Koha support yet?
16:24 druthb       heh.
16:25 kf           jcamins: will we refrain from running afterwards?
16:25 jcamins      kf: hmmm...
16:25 jcamins      hard to say.
16:25 * druthb     velcroes kf down, so she can't run
16:26 druthb       oleonard:  I *would* like to see it possible to install Koha on a cPanel host environment.  It would not be easy.
16:26 kf           hmpf
16:27 jcamins      druthb: definitely not, since we don't have working RPMs.
16:27 jcamins      Or any RPMs.
16:29 druthb       I have some thoughts about how to make it go, jcamins.  This would allow a hosting provider to offer a Koha plugin.  When a customer of theirs wants to use Koha, then a $KOHA_CONF is set up, and you're running multiple instances off one codebase.  Gnarly, maybe, at the moment..
16:30 jcamins      druthb: that'd be very cool, but I was talking about getting it installed in the first place being problematic... isn't cPanel RPM-only?
16:30 druthb       Some plugins are installed from tarball.
16:31 druthb       cPanel *itself* is RPM, and it *prefers* RPM-aware things, but it isn't married to that.
16:31 jcamins      Right, but before one can use Koha on an RPM-based distribution, one must install Koha's dependencies.
16:31 druthb       Right.  There's the rub.
16:32 druthb       larryb tried installing Koha on an RHEL system, and eventually had to give up or become a raging maniac.
16:33 kf           glad he stopped
16:33 jcamins      That was my recollection.
16:34 druthb       *right now* that's the big blocker, as I see it.
16:36 nengard      druthb is here!! :)
16:36 druthb       Hi, nengard! :)
16:37 nengard      how goes it?
16:38 druthb       awesome sauce!
16:39 druthb       Anyone here planning on being at YAPC::NA in Austin in June?  Or YAPC::EU in Kiev in August?  I'll be at both...
16:39 nengard      anyone looking for easy patches to sign off on? bug 9850 has several - and more on the way :)
16:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9850 critical, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update
16:40 oleonard     Kiev eh druthb? That sounds cool.
16:40 druthb       yah, I'm looking forward to it.
16:40 druthb       Plus two other conferences for cPanel, plus KohaCon…travelin' fool this year.
16:42 druthb       http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4710
16:43 druthb       I submitted my talk abstract *yesterday*, and the orgs have already approved it.  I'm amazed.
16:44 kf           cool
16:44 kf           what*s the title?
16:46 kf           bye all :)
16:46 druthb       http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4710
16:46 druthb       grr.
16:46 kf           hm doesn't work for me
16:47 druthb       "An Ecological View of an Open-Source Community: Koha"
16:47 kf           oh sounds interesting
16:47 kf           now I know why you bookmarked the book :)
16:47 druthb       :D
16:47 jcamins      It's a nice fast read, too.
16:48 jcamins      I started it yesterday and I'm 40% of the way through.
16:48 kf           but you are quite a fast reader :)
16:48 kf           andn ow I should leave while there is still a bit of sun out there!
16:48 kf           cya later or tomororw!
18:47 jcamins      Hey, I had a thought.
18:47 jcamins      nengard: a lot of the help patches are just changing the link from /3.10/ to /3.12/ right?
18:47 nengard      most of them are
18:47 nengard      but some I'm updating if the module changed or the manual section changed
18:47 nengard      So I review each one
18:47 nengard      and compare it to the manual
18:48 jcamins      Right, the review is definitely necessary.
18:49 jcamins      But I'm wondering if it wouldn't make sense to have a template variable with the "current" manual URL.
18:49 jcamins      Then anywhere that the manual hasn't changed you don't need to generate a patch at all.
18:49 jcamins      We just update the template variable to .../3.14/ or .../3.16/ or whatever.
18:50 bag          that sounds smart to me
18:53 cait         jcamins: couldn't that be derived from the kohaversion?
18:54 jcamins      cait: I thought about that, and I'm on the fence.
18:54 cait         ?
18:54 cait         what would you do up thereß
18:55 cait         ?
18:55 cait         :)
18:55 jcamins      Hehe.
18:55 jcamins      The question is, what manual should an odd version point to?
18:56 jcamins      I guess one option would be to set up redirects for development versions.
18:57 nengard      jcamins - actually
18:58 nengard      There is a sentence around the link that says learn more about ***** in teh manual
18:58 nengard      so I could change that and make it more generic and include it
18:58 nengard      but right now I kind of link the fact that it's diff on each
19:01 jcamins      It seems like a lot of unnecessary work for the doc manager.
19:01 jcamins      Not to mention the RM, of course.
19:01 cait         but the sentence can be different
19:02 cait         only the link would be generated
19:03 nengard      okay
19:03 cait         brb
19:05 jcamins      I think this connection cuts out on the hour every hour.
19:08 nengard      I have an include ready to go
19:08 nengard      I'm going to use it going forward and once we get the ones I did pushed I'll submit an update for all of those
19:09 nengard      cause I'm on a roll
19:10 jcamins      Sounds good.
19:10 cait         is the include within an html tag with the vresion`
19:10 cait         ?
19:16 cait         nengard: hm, seeing your patch in my inbox - it looks like you hardcoded the include to searching?
19:16 cait         +<a href="http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/searching.html">manual</a> (online).</strong></p>
19:16 nengard      that was before I created the include
19:17 cait         hm so there isanother patch?
19:17 nengard      hang on
19:17 nengard      my head is in 100 places at once
19:17 nengard      i might have messed up
19:18 nengard      cait, yes I did the searching stuff before the include - there is another patch that I see that has just the ending of that line
19:18 nengard      in it's own file
19:18 nengard      I will then put that include in all the help files I create from here on out
19:18 cait         i am only seeing your patch on the list :)
19:19 cait         and that has this link
19:19 nengard      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=16950
19:19 nengard      it adds a new file with that link
19:20 cait         yes
19:20 nengard      i'll update that with each release instead of every help file
19:20 cait         but you win nothing with a hardcoded link to searching I think?
19:20 nengard      OH!!!
19:20 nengard      I see what the problem is
19:20 nengard      okay we can't do it as an include
19:20 nengard      each link goes to the correct section of the manual
19:20 nengard      based on the help file
19:20 nengard      so that people don't have to search the manual to find what they want more info on
19:20 cait         I think the suggestion was to do something like that
19:21 cait         +<a href="http://manual.koha-community.org/[% koha version %]/en/searching.html">manual</a> (online).</strong></p>
19:21 nengard      oh!
19:21 nengard      GOt it
19:28 nengard      there
19:28 nengard      much better that way
19:28 nengard      then it can be edited for version and language and if we ever move the manual
19:30 cait         language is a good idea
19:31 cait         nengard: I think ideally we would use variables - language is maybe already there
19:31 cait         instead of an include
19:31 nengard      I don't know what you mean by variables
19:31 cait         the include could confuse the translation script I think
19:32 nengard      the version is 3.10.3 or 3.09.100
19:32 nengard      and I need 3.10 or 3.12 in the URL
19:32 nengard      this way it's one file to edit
19:32 nengard      how is it diff from the current help files
19:32 cait         I think if you added a new variable to .... what's it called... that would probably work
19:32 cait         jcamins: help?
19:32 wahanui      i heard help was at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help.
19:33 cait         no... not that help wahanui :)
19:33 nengard      I kind of feel like decisions to change things should have been made before now - now I need to rush to get these things done
19:33 jcamins      nengard: you don't have to change it.
19:33 nengard      and can't keep going back and forth
19:33 nengard      Well I don't kmind
19:33 jcamins      I was suggesting it because there are a gazillion files still to update.
19:33 nengard      don't mind
19:33 nengard      the include would do what you're suggesting - wouldn't it
19:33 nengard      make it so that in the future I don't have to update all the files
19:33 nengard      just the include and the help files that have changed?
19:34 cait         nengard: I am worreid abou tit getting picked up by the translation scripts
19:34 nengard      Is it picked up now?
19:34 cait         of course
19:35 cait         I have translated a gazillion little bit different sentences
19:35 cait         with links to the manual
19:35 cait         so if we get that figured out
19:35 cait         you would help translators as well :)
19:36 nengard      so - here's why i'm confused - if it's picked up now - then why won't it be picked up with the include?
19:36 jcamins      nengard: the problem is the text of the include getting picked up, and translated into gibberish.
19:36 nengard      hmmm
19:37 cait         or not picked up... which might not be a bad thing
19:38 nengard      This week I need to get these help files done - so if we have a solution that's going to work that I'm missing let me know ... otherwise I'll do it the way I always have for this release and for the next one we come up with a plan that works for everyone - or we use the include (but I don't want it to break things with translation so I don't need to use it if that's the case)
19:38 cait         actually, maybe just leaving it makes no difference.... you can't change the link to point to a translated manual now and you would not be able to do it then I think... but if we make it a variable, then it would need to be a pref maybe
19:38 cait         so if you have a translated manual, you can point to it or leave it on en
19:39 nengard      right
19:39 cait         i am confusing myself now
19:39 nengard      hehe
19:39 * jcamins    doesn't have a strong feeling.
19:39 cait         heh
19:39 cait         maybe nengard is right - leave it as it is, figure out a smarter way later
19:39 nengard      I'm so worn out - I've been taking care of mom as she recovers from surgery at my house - so if I'm being confusing too that's why
19:39 nengard      so - no includes
19:39 nengard      ?
19:39 cait         oh, hope she recovers well
19:40 nengard      she's doing great, it's just tiring for me to do a full time job and take care of her :) so my brain isn't working 100%
19:41 cait         neither is mine
19:41 nengard      so cait - i just want to be sure I understand what we want ... yes to an include (as it is now) or no to an include (just update each file for now)
19:41 cait         still fighting with that cold
19:41 nengard      :(
19:41 cait         I think leave it as it was
19:41 cait         would be safest
19:41 nengard      okey dokey
19:41 nengard      works for me
19:45 nengard      patches are all marked un-obsolete :)
19:45 nengard      now on to the next one
19:51 wizzyrea     cait - on 9922 do a bib level
19:51 wizzyrea     hold
19:51 cait         hm
19:51 wizzyrea     item level holds were never the problem.
19:51 cait         but it seemed wrong for item level too
19:51 cait         but I will try
19:52 wizzyrea     the behaviour you saw was the right behaviour
19:52 cait         ok
19:52 wizzyrea     kyle forgot an "apply the patch" in there
19:52 cait         I will trust the expert
19:52 cait         oh there is one
19:52 wizzyrea     you always want the hold queue to select from holding branch, never home branch
19:52 cait         but I did an item level - because i wanted it to pick the one with the dfferent home and holding branch
19:52 cait         and i had several items on the record
19:53 wizzyrea     yea, that's fine
19:53 wizzyrea     it was picking the holding branch, right>?
19:53 cait         wizzyrea: I thought it was doing home branch
19:53 wizzyrea     no
19:53 cait         that's why I thought it was wrong
19:53 wizzyrea     you say holding branch fairfield
19:53 cait         I will check it agian a bit later or in the morning
19:53 wizzyrea     yea, it should always pick from holding branch, never ever from homebranch
19:53 wizzyrea     that's the behaviour you are looking for :)
19:54 cait         yep
19:54 cait         at least I had the right thought then :)
19:54 cait         now have to check if I confused my branches
19:54 wizzyrea     and AIR doesn't factor into it at all - the plan is, really, toggle AIR and nothing should change.
19:54 cait         got it
19:54 wizzyrea     and the item should come from holdingbranch, always
19:55 wizzyrea     (that's the old behaviour)
20:17 cait         k
20:18 cait         btw - no rangi today?
20:18 wizzyrea     not yet - soon
20:18 wizzyrea     kid duty :)
20:18 cait         aah
20:18 cait         was wondering if yo uhad more holidays :)
20:23 gmcharlt     @quote random
20:23 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #160: "oleonard: All of humanity's evolution and technological achievement have led to this day, when someone could say simply, 1s, vid and make it so." (added by wizzyrea at 04:23 PM, September 28, 2011)
20:24 wizzyrea     it's so true.
20:24 wizzyrea     @quote random
20:24 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 04:18 PM, August 06, 2009)
20:24 wizzyrea     huginn is feeling philosophical today
20:24 huginn       wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
20:25 druthb       @quote random
20:25 huginn       druthb: Quote #202: "<wizzyrea> well and before that I used the garden of razorblades that is OpenBSD." (added by slef at 02:34 PM, April 27, 2012)
20:25 oleonard     Who's that "owen" guy huginn is talking about?
20:25 oleonard     Haven't heard from him in a while
20:25 druthb       Srsly.  Or jdavidb.
20:26 druthb       :P
20:26 wizzyrea     @quote random
20:26 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #198: "<gmcharlt> hobgoblins are stealing our eyes!" (added by slef at 05:49 PM, April 06, 2012)
20:26 wizzyrea     !
20:26 oleonard     gmcharlt was seriously tripping that day
20:26 cait         @quote random
20:26 huginn       cait: Quote #149: "mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!" (added by druthb at 01:15 AM, August 26, 2011)
20:27 gmcharlt     I have no memory of that
20:27 druthb       @quote random
20:27 huginn       druthb: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011)
20:27 wizzyrea     also, you cannot log into a koha using username "lolol"
20:27 wizzyrea     unless that user exists.
20:27 oleonard     Oh, but did you know you can set one user's username to another user's card number?
20:27 wizzyrea     not surprising
20:28 cait         and that's evil
20:28 druthb       @most increased
20:28 huginn       druthb: "rangi": 765, "oleonard": 663, "jcamins": 526, "wizzyrea": 391, "cait": 373, "gmcharlt": 370, "chris_n": 313, "paul_p": 278, "kf": 261, "sekjal": 245, "nengard": 238, "magnuse": 217, "druthb": 180, "slef": 176, "eythian": 159, "fredericd": 96, "marcelr": 82, "drojf": 80, "tcohen": 75, "biblibre": 70, "hdl": 69, "mveron": 66, "mtj": 61, "hdl_laptop": 60, and "jwagner": 54
20:28 cait         there is a bug around there
20:28 cait         I ended up in the wrong patron account once :(
20:28 wizzyrea     yea, that completely should not work
20:28 cait         i think it's even worse
20:28 cait         have you ever tried setting dupliate userids using the patron import?
20:28 druthb       @karma druthb
20:28 huginn       druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 180 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 179.
20:29 oleonard     My staff really likes to put random spaces in people's email addresses during patron entry.
20:29 jcamins      @karma jcamins
20:29 huginn       jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 526 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 524.
20:29 druthb       I'm gonna try to break into the 200s this year.  Need me a bucket full of awesome.
20:29 jcamins      Wow. 524!
20:30 rangi        karma for jcamins
20:30 wahanui      jcamins has karma of 492
20:30 rangi        karma for kf
20:30 wahanui      kf has karma of 231
20:30 rangi        wahanui has his own tracker
20:30 wahanui      rangi: what?
20:30 gmcharlt     druthb++ # we know you're awesome!
20:30 druthb       puh
20:30 oleonard     karma for kittens
20:30 wahanui      kittens has neutral karma
20:31 oleonard     kittens++
20:31 druthb       karma for oleonard
20:31 wahanui      oleonard has karma of 432
20:31 ibeardslee   that can't be right
20:31 gmcharlt     *boggles*
20:31 rangi        and yes we definitely should stop duplicate userid and check for cardnumber
20:31 gmcharlt     kittens++
20:31 oleonard     @karma kittens
20:31 huginn       oleonard: Karma for "kittens" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
20:35 druthb       kittens++
20:35 druthb       cait++
20:36 cait         druthb: again???
20:38 wizzyrea     yea, that's dirty and requires fixing
20:39 wizzyrea     phew, I have a ways to go to catch up :)
20:39 wizzyrea     but really I think jcamins probably deserves to be ahead ^.^
20:39 druthb       yes, cait.  Always.
20:39 rangi        @karma
20:39 huginn       rangi: Highest karma: "rangi" (759), "oleonard" (658), and "jcamins" (524).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-101), and "-" (-73).  You (rangi) are ranked 1 out of 2436.
20:40 cait         @karma cait
20:40 huginn       cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 374 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 373.
20:40 cait         @karma kf
20:40 huginn       cait: Karma for "kf" has been increased 261 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 261.
20:40 rangi        @most decreased
20:40 cait         hm.
20:40 huginn       rangi: "<!": 125, "failed": 101, "-": 76, "ie": 67, "<-": 51, "C4::Search": 32, "windows": 27, "[": 22, "ptfs": 17, "--><!": 14, "liblime": 13, "src="<!": 11, "monday": 10, "it": 10, "^": 10, "-rw-r--r": 10, "marc": 10, "--": 9, "zebra": 9, "me": 8, "windchill": 8, "ms_access": 7, "ms_word": 7, "word": 7, and "oracle": 7
20:40 rangi        heh
20:40 * druthb     snickers.
20:41 jcamins      Heh.
20:41 jcamins      I'm responsible for a lot of those.
20:41 jcamins      ms_access, windows, C4::Search, and ie have gotten a lot of negative karma from me.
20:41 druthb       -++
20:41 druthb       +--
20:42 * druthb     lulz
20:42 druthb       @karma -
20:42 huginn       druthb: Karma for "-" has been increased 4 times and decreased 76 times for a total karma of -72.
20:42 druthb       @karma +
20:42 huginn       druthb: Karma for "+" has been increased 9 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 8.
20:42 wizzyrea     someone typed +++ a lot
20:42 gmcharlt     -++
20:42 gmcharlt     -++
20:42 wizzyrea     @karma +
20:42 huginn       wizzyrea: Karma for "+" has been increased 10 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 9.
20:42 gmcharlt     -++
20:42 gmcharlt     ;)
20:42 wizzyrea     hehehehehe
20:43 wizzyrea     JOKES FOR NERDS, JOKES FOR NERDS
20:43 druthb       @wunder 77063
20:43 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 22.6°C (3:39 PM CDT on March 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
20:43 druthb       @wunder 66046
20:43 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 9.8°C (3:39 PM CDT on March 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
20:43 druthb       @wunder 20852
20:43 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Twinbrook, Rockville, Maryland is 9.5°C (4:40 PM EDT on March 27, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
20:43 gmcharlt     @quote add <wizzyrea> JOKES FOR NERDS, JOKES FOR NERDS
20:43 huginn       gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #238 added.
20:44 druthb       imma liking the 22.6 a lot more than the 9.8.
20:47 * druthb     heads off to go work out, then home.
20:47 oleonard     Later #koha
20:55 * jcamins    gloomily contemplates the piles of books on the floor and the empty shelves on the wall.
20:55 jcamins      I hate it the way bookshelves are never _quite_ the right height.
20:55 cait         jcamins: so you created a mess at your client's?
20:55 jcamins      cait: yep. Emptied out three shelves onto the floor.
20:56 cait         tsk
21:01 gmcharlt     jcamins: quick, blame the cat!
21:01 jcamins      Hehe.
21:01 cait         hehe
21:01 cait         or the dog
21:01 cait         even better
21:01 wahanui      hmmm... even better is what oleonard said just after that
21:13 bag          thanks cait
21:13 bag          and HI!
21:13 cait         hi :)
21:13 cait         not my intent to be difficult on this one - but I still think it needs to be pointed out
21:13 rangi        wow
21:14 cait         i mean documented :) then it should be alright
21:14 cait         rangi: hm?
21:14 rangi        failing a first time developers patch
21:14 jcamins      :(
21:14 jcamins      Did I do that?
21:14 cait         I thik he was not aware of that
21:14 rangi        for the fact it doesnt address an issue totally not to do with the bug
21:14 cait         I will go an fix it
21:14 rangi        either way
21:14 wahanui      well, either way is workable though imho
21:14 cait         do you have the bug number?
21:14 cait         I deleted it accidentally earlier and got distracted
21:14 jcamins      I don't recall doing that.
21:14 cait         was not you
21:14 cait         frederic
21:14 jcamins      Ah.
21:15 cait         rangi: bug?
21:15 wahanui      i think bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber
21:15 rangi        bug 5658
21:15 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5658 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, fridolyn.somers, CLOSED FIXED, can't delete subfields in frameworks
21:15 jcamins      I don't recall that patch at all.
21:15 rangi        hmm no
21:15 rangi        bug 5648
21:15 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5648 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , icons clumping together
21:15 jcamins      Still don't.
21:15 * jcamins    reads
21:16 rangi        updated
21:16 jcamins      That sounds like a bug.
21:17 rangi        its a different federic, not frederic demian
21:17 rangi        just fyi
21:17 cait         oh that's right
21:17 wahanui      no it's not.
21:17 jcamins      Huh. I don't know who that is.
21:17 cait         misread
21:21 rangi        hehe we keep making jared have to switch it to bug
21:23 jcamins      Just so long as you don't do it again. :P
21:23 rangi        hehe
21:23 rangi        i'd like to have jen stick around koha
21:23 rangi        http://www.littlegreenpixel.com/
21:23 wizzyrea     yea, she's good people
21:24 cait         I think browser problem
21:24 cait         i have that sometimes happening with bug status too
21:25 cait         the pull down is still signed off although bug says passed qa above - didn't toch the bug setting :(
21:25 wizzyrea     maybe has to do with bz?
21:25 wizzyrea     i've noticed that happening too but I didn't pay that much attention
21:26 wizzyrea     i thought it was just me
21:26 wizzyrea     git bz I mean
21:26 cait         nope not you - have been falling into that trap lots lately
21:30 * jcamins    leaves for a lecture.
22:15 eythian      hi
22:16 rambutan     hey
22:20 cait         hey eythian - bye all
22:34 bag          dumb quesiton - can you z3950 into koha for the item information?
22:35 bag          I'm drawing a blank
22:38 bag          nevermind :)
23:05 gmcharlt     bag: yes # but you probably know that already now ;)