Time  Nick         Message
23:18 jcamins      So the current script in the release-tools repo exactly matches what I use.
23:17 jcamins      (where "it" = the fact that the webinstaller doesn't work)
23:17 jcamins      Okay, updated release-tool.pl so it won't break the release process.
23:14 jcamins      I tried to troubleshoot it.
23:14 jcamins      Oh well.
23:11 jcamins      Of course not.
23:10 rangi        we wouldnt have tested that with the screen reader
23:10 rangi        ahh
23:10 jcamins      So assuming my understanding of what this script does is correct, the problem is probably specific to the installer.
23:09 cjh          I have some notes from the session about problems encountered, I can double check that there wasn't anything about the login form.
23:09 cjh          he tabs through the elements of the form.
23:09 cjh          yes, and login.
23:08 jcamins      cjh: but that means he was able to locate the button.
23:08 cjh          IIRC when Julius was using forms he would always step through the elements, eventually on to the button, and then press the enter key (rather than pressing from within the input elements)
23:08 eythian      jcamins: we all are the folks at catalyst :)
23:07 jcamins      I don't think the button is even showing up!
23:07 jcamins      Actually...
23:07 jcamins      Yeah, based on how completely the submit button fails to do anything I am thinking it would be a problem for screen readers.
23:06 wizzyrea     yea I didn't observe julius having trouble with it
23:04 jcamins      I would think not, because folks at Catalyst were testing the interface with a screen reader, and if the screen reader correctly interprets the regular login button, it must not be an issue.
23:03 jcamins      I have an empty database that I can't populate because the script won't submit.
23:02 jcamins      rangi: I don't know, I haven't tried.
23:02 eythian      that does sound like a bad thing
23:02 rangi        cos if so thats a major bug
23:02 rangi        opac side too?
23:02 * jcamins    will add a warning to his release script to note that installation cannot be tested on recent versions of Koha.
23:00 jcamins      Oh well.
23:00 jcamins      Seems like a pretty major accessibility issue.
23:00 wizzyrea     maybe? not like that would matter.
22:59 wizzyrea     or to check for double submits?
22:58 jcamins      I guess maybe we use javascript to submit the form when the button is clicked?
22:58 jcamins      As of 3.10.0+, the submit button does not submit the form.
22:58 eythian      howso?
22:57 jcamins      So it looks like it is no longer possible to automate logging into Koha.
22:57 jcamins      Hm.
22:55 wahanui      OK, eythian.
22:55 eythian      wahanui: catalyst migration toolbox is at https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox
22:50 wizzyrea     later magnuse
22:48 magnuse      g'night/day #koha!
22:43 magnuse      :-(
22:39 jcamins      I think my automatic installer is broken at the moment.
22:39 jcamins      magnuse: yeah.
22:39 magnuse      jcamins: good to get some practice, then? ;-)
22:38 magnuse      for me, the spell checker in ff used to not recognize the norwegian word for "some" - totally weird!
22:37 jcamins      I haven't built a full release in a while.
22:37 wizzyrea     there that's better.
22:37 * wizzyrea   adds it to the dictionary
22:36 wizzyrea     movie
22:36 wizzyrea     bizarre
22:36 eythian      yeah
22:36 jcamins      Movie?
22:36 eythian      I think that wherever the standard dictionaries are sourced from, they don't include that word
22:35 wizzyrea     wtf.
22:35 eythian      I've noticed that before too
22:35 eythian      it does that
22:35 wizzyrea     my computer just tried to spellcheck me on it!?
22:35 magnuse      wizzyrea: not sure i want to know ;-)
22:34 wizzyrea     why does the word movie look weird to me.
22:34 magnuse      wizzyrea: ;-)
22:33 wizzyrea     yes, actually he is. Across the room, really. But I meant the guy who does the voice overs for movie trailers.
22:33 magnuse      jcamins: ah, cool
22:33 cait         bye all and cya tomorrow!
22:32 cjh          heh
22:32 cait         :)
22:32 cait         magnuse: it's late for you too btw
22:32 cait         ok - going to bed :)
22:32 jcamins      magnuse: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=get_bugs.pl;h=8d432f2af381ae2373a8bb7df016e66ac0e6a825;hb=HEAD
22:32 cait         :)
22:32 magnuse      wizzyrea: is he actualy sitting next to you too? ;-)
22:31 * jcamins    builds an entire release since he cleaned out all the stale release directories a few days ago.
22:31 magnuse      jcamins: which script would that be?
22:30 * wizzyrea   totally heard the guy in her mind
22:30 wizzyrea     *snicker*
22:30 trea         IN A WORLD....
22:30 trea         doesn't it
22:30 wizzyrea     splinter review sounds like a spy movie
22:29 cait         is fun
22:29 cait         splinter review
22:29 cait         rangi++
22:29 cait         rangi
22:29 magnuse      lol
22:28 jcamins      I'll just use the release notes script.
22:28 jcamins      You could even do it, as practice for when you're RM for 3.16. :)
22:24 magnuse      yay
22:24 jcamins      It's not.
22:24 magnuse      if it's not too much work
22:24 jcamins      Sure.
22:24 magnuse      that would be super cool
22:24 magnuse      oh btw jcamins, i meant to ask you: could you run some magic rm script to generate a list of bugs that have been pushed to master during your reign, as a reminder of things we might want to test during the hackfest, and maybe point out any you feel deserve extra attention?
22:23 wizzyrea     oh yea, jcamins++
22:23 magnuse      jcamins++ bigtime!
22:22 * jcamins    did it, but we're trying to get consensus on the Evergreen side about what they want to go into master, and then I'll update the code to that before publishing version 0.1.
22:22 magnuse      anyone working on that?
22:22 magnuse      yay
22:21 jcamins      magnuse: once it's split into a separate CPAN module, easy.
22:21 magnuse      ah, yeah, that will make sharing easier!
22:21 magnuse      how easy will it be to share future enhencements?
22:21 jcamins      It'll be even cooler when QueryParser is split out into a separate CPAN module.
22:21 wizzyrea     hence the confetti :)
22:21 magnuse      yeah, that is cool!
22:20 cjh          oh awesome, Koha and Evergreen sharing!
22:20 magnuse      yay! ;-)
22:20 jcamins      Chances are good.
22:20 jcamins      Hehe.
22:20 wizzyrea     :)
22:20 wizzyrea     HAHA oy.
22:20 magnuse      now comes the tricky bit - will jcamins push it?
22:19 magnuse      woohoo
22:19 wizzyrea     confetti
22:19 wizzyrea     \o/
22:18 wizzyrea     '`'`'`'`'`'`
22:18 wizzyrea     \o/
22:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
22:17 rangi        yay bug 9239 passed qa
22:16 magnuse      yay!
22:15 cait         and used it
22:15 cait         now i see it :)
22:14 magnuse      yeah shift-refresh did it for me
22:14 rangi        try a shift-refresh just to make sure
22:14 * magnuse    sees it now
22:14 rangi        at the bottom after resolved
22:14 * rangi      does
22:14 * magnuse    does not see it
22:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Don't let un-holdable records prevent holdable records from being held in Intranet for multi-holds
22:14 cait         do you see it on bug 9336?
22:13 cait         I did
22:12 wizzyrea     refresh?
22:12 cait         but don't see the statusas an option there
22:12 cait         it's 9336 sorry
22:12 cait         oh uch
22:12 cait           7703
22:11 cait         th patch I am looking at is signed off
22:11 cait         don#t see it
22:11 cait         hm
22:11 rangi        yep
22:11 cait         rangi: did you already do it?
22:10 cait         let's try that
22:10 cait         +1 from me
22:09 rangi        hows that?
22:08 magnuse      +1
22:07 jcamins      Sounds good to me.
22:07 rangi        i can make a BLOCKED status
22:04 cait         it depens on a bug that has failed qa
22:04 cait         looking at 7703 right now, which is the oldest bug in the signed off queue
22:04 jcamins      cait: that's a good idea.
22:03 cait         Is there a status we coudl use for bugs that are blocked by another?
22:03 eythian      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8429468/Entire-North-Island-drought-declared <-- it is officially too dry here.
22:00 huginn       indranil: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 25.0°C (3:20 AM IST on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
22:00 indranil     @wunder kolkata
21:57 wahanui      it has been said that logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
21:57 wizzyrea     logs?
21:57 wizzyrea     logs
21:50 jcamins      Hehe.
21:50 cait         just remember to send that big bribe of fudge we agreed on ;)
21:50 cait         lol
21:50 jcamins      I was just tap dancing on the ceiling, to the irritation of our upstairs neighbors.
21:50 cait         lol ok
21:49 jcamins      cait: it's a very dramatic happy dance.
21:49 cait         that's all? :)
21:46 * jcamins    does a happy dance.
21:43 cait         eythian: it will warm up soon!
21:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
21:42 * cait       passes qa on bug 9239
21:35 wahanui      schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
21:35 trea         schema?
21:35 eythian      that's cold, I don't want to go to cold :)
21:34 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (10:00 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
21:34 cait         @wunder Marseille
21:34 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -3.1°C (10:30 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
21:34 cait         @wunder Konstanz
21:32 cait         heh
21:32 cait         again! ? :)
21:32 eythian      and we still win :)
21:32 eythian      cait: already have!
21:31 cait         germany and switzerland rank high too - I guess YOU shoudl come visit :)
21:30 wizzyrea     clouds are pretty today.
21:30 wizzyrea     supposed to start in the afternoon though I guess
21:28 eythian      heh
21:28 eythian      http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/14/travel/friendly-countries/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 <-- you people should visit us.
21:28 wizzyrea     not that it requires much prodding to not do it, but I haven't even been doing laundry.
21:28 wizzyrea     oops.
21:28 eythian      which is annoying, as I have to spend most of Sunday standing outside :)
21:27 wizzyrea     supposed to rain sunday-tuesday
21:27 wizzyrea     sunday. Sunday.
21:27 eythian      hmm, well over a month of no rain now.
21:26 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
21:26 eythian      @wunder nzwn
21:26 cait         hi eythian :)
21:23 eythian      hi
21:16 * cait       waves at dpavlin
20:45 samuel       good evening for me too :-)
20:44 cait         yep
20:44 cjh          cait: good.. evening I guess for you
20:43 cait         hi samuel and cjh
20:43 cjh          samuel: good morning :)
20:42 samuel       hi everybody
20:32 jcamins      You could have a bash alias that set it up, but that'd be yet another thing to try and remember.
20:32 * wizzyrea   doesn't much mind a little nuisance.
20:32 jcamins      You.
20:31 wizzyrea     to me or to anyone else?
20:31 jcamins      wizzyrea: you could, it'd just be a nuisance.
20:31 wizzyrea     naw, I should set my hope laptop up differently. But I don't see why you couldn't
20:27 jcamins      wizzyrea: you switch e-mails back and forth on a single repo?
20:27 tcohen       bye #koha
20:12 wizzyrea     hehe
20:12 drojf        for making fun of wizzyrea? i can do that more often if it leads to karma
20:11 cait         drojf++
20:10 drojf        hi thewizzyreaformerlyknownasguest
20:10 * wizzyrea   waves again
20:10 drojf        hi Guest1795
20:09 Guest1795    hi peeps
20:06 drojf        yay
20:04 cait         hah!
20:04 trea         huzzah
20:03 * cait       puts cookies in #koha to stop the quiet
19:11 drojf        migration to a new desk?
19:10 * jcamins    pounds his head on the desk.
19:10 jcamins      We decided a migration is in our near future.
19:10 jcamins      drojf: funny you should mention that.
19:09 drojf        kill it with fire?
19:06 jcamins      ms_access--
19:06 jcamins      AAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!
19:03 tcohen       was looking for nozebra / stopwords related bugs
19:02 tcohen       oh, that, thanks
19:02 jcamins      tcohen: bug wrangling!
19:02 tcohen       ?
19:02 jcamins      tcohen++
18:48 tcohen       thanks rangi, and good morning!
18:48 cait         good morning rangi
18:47 cait         ^^
18:47 rangi        tcohen: check if it is still is a bug on master, if not, mark resolved fixed and say 'it works in master'
18:47 cait         they go wontfix I would think
18:47 tcohen       what happens to bugs opened for unmaintained releases like 3.2?
18:23 tcohen       heh
18:22 drojf        that poor nozebra. no place amongst the zebras, no place in koha
18:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed
18:21 tcohen       can anyone that hates NoZebra enough sign on bug 7440? I'm about to post a follow-up for updatedatabase.pl
18:21 drojf        :(
18:20 jcamins      Confirmed.
18:16 jcamins      It looks like it exported only a small portion of my data.
18:16 jcamins      ms_access--
18:15 jcamins      drojf: hehe.
18:14 * drojf      excitedly watches the jqueryparser race in his bugzilla inbox
18:12 magnuse      it was, and it was nice
18:10 drojf        well, maybe it was fried already
18:10 drojf        <!++<! # fish to fry
18:10 magnuse      oops :-)
18:09 magnuse      621509
18:09 magnuse      :-)
18:09 drojf        <!++
18:09 drojf        poor <!
18:09 drojf        hehe
18:09 huginn       magnuse: Karma for "<!" has been increased 9 times and decreased 125 times for a total karma of -116.
18:09 magnuse      @karma <!
18:08 oleonard     Do not mock the power of the -- !
18:07 drojf        i think i did it with him once as a joke and immediately increased it again but he was not amused
18:06 cait         why did he decrease you?
18:03 drojf        hehe
18:02 tcohen       if the world is free and open, why do we need windows and gates? (old joke)
18:01 drojf        i think all decreases were done by mtompset ^^
18:01 drojf        w00t
18:01 huginn       cait: Karma for "drojf" has been increased 74 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 71.
18:01 cait         @karma drojf
18:01 cait         logs? :)
18:00 cait         heh
17:59 drojf        is there karma-blame? :)
17:59 drojf        i bet the increase was for real windows in a building
17:58 huginn       drojf: Karma for "windows" has been increased 1 time and decreased 26 times for a total karma of -25.
17:58 drojf        @karma windows
17:58 drojf        windows--
17:55 jcamins      windows--
17:52 drojf        jcamins: it is, to make sure they never want to learn any other computer things after that
17:48 jcamins      Is this _really_ the program used by non-computer literate people for word processing?
17:46 jcamins      I figured out how to do it.
17:45 jcamins      I would like to indent the first line of all paragraphs.
17:44 jcamins      And while I'm at it, ms_word--
17:43 jcamins      Step 1: globally remove tabs, which were used for all layout.
17:41 jcamins      Right now I'm fixing a report that it spat out.
17:41 jcamins      Lucky you.
17:41 oleonard     Wow, it's been a while since I had to say that, thankfully
17:41 jcamins      ms_access--
17:33 bgkriegel    with a bit of luck :)
17:32 tcohen       u r welcome, we are pleased @ koha-es to see your work get into master soon
17:31 bgkriegel    hi wahanui
17:31 bgkriegel    thanks for the sign
17:31 wahanui      hello, bgkriegel
17:31 bgkriegel    hi
17:31 tcohen       hi bgkriegel
17:24 ambz         alright. thanks.
17:21 oleonard     Not that I know of, but browse around the wiki
17:19 ambz         is there a wiki or docs or anything to orient a new developer to the codebase?
17:18 ambz         cool
17:15 oleonard     Also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Guidelines_for_Patch_Acceptance/Rejection
17:15 oleonard     No idea :) But if you want to start working on a contribution to Koha, this is required reading: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
17:14 ambz         Does this idea seem feasible?
17:13 ambz         I don't even need an API key to query the xisbn service :)
17:11 ambz         I have to convert that JSON response to MARC... well as much as possible.
17:10 ambz         Example: http://xisbn.worldcat.org/webservices/xid/isbn/9780071289597?method=getMetadata&fl=*&format=json
17:09 ambz         Yes, you have to. But they offer an ISBN lookup for free.
17:09 ambz         Of course, if the ISBN lookup fails, I have to fall back to z39.50 (which isn't likely to work since there aren't any good z39.50 servers in India) and then I fall back to creating a MARC record from scratch... does this sound right?
17:08 oleonard     I thought you had to pay to get MARC records from OCLC
17:06 ambz         So I want an ISBN --> MARC import utility
17:06 ambz         Then if a user selects a particular record from the results, I want to convert that into MARC and put that into the catalog
17:05 ambz         well, for cataloging, i want to be able to query oclc xisbn (the free oclc service) and display those results to the user
17:03 oleonard     What are you wanting to customize ambz ?
17:00 ambz         oh sorry, that includes lines of code in non pl files too
16:58 ambz         i never imagined that the koha codebase would be so huge
16:58 ambz         8-)
16:58 ambz         wow, the git stats indicate almost 8 million lines of perl code
16:56 ambz         hi tcohen
16:56 wahanui      oleonard: I forgot anyone here
16:56 oleonard     wahanui: forget anyone here
16:56 tcohen       hi ambz
16:56 wahanui      anyone here is probably familiarized with the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script?
16:56 ambz         anyone here?
16:49 ambz         i couldn't find one so far
16:49 ambz         i am planning to write a minor extension to customize koha for my needs... i was wondering if there are any documents or design doc or something like a code overview or walkthrough...
16:48 ambz         greetings to all
16:43 huginn       cait: The operation succeeded.
16:43 cait         @later tell jcamins take a look at the testing summary
16:42 cait         QueryParser.t failed
16:42 cait         jcamins: you won't like this
16:42 cait         argh
16:37 cait         hm into
16:37 cait         and you wanted to go to the city.
16:36 cait         nah, if it's good enough for the rm
16:36 cait         ah
16:36 jcamins      You can do something with tildes.
16:36 jcamins      That's not the correct way, it's just how I do it.
16:36 jcamins      cait: I use git bz attach HEAD^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ... git bz attach HEAD
16:36 * jcamins    heads into the city.
16:35 cait         15 patches....
16:35 cait         so how does git bz attach a range ?
16:35 cait         hm
16:22 cait         :)
16:21 slef         mjkaye helped me find it :)
16:20 slef         ah found it, it's moved to the History menu
16:19 slef         iceweasel is pretty much firefox without the non-free bits
16:15 cait         not using iceweasel sorry
16:13 slef         the iceweasel Tools menu entry that let me log out of http auth has gone since I last used it - anyone know where?
16:11 magnuse      cait: see ya! :-)
16:09 drojf        :)
16:09 cait         have fun too!
16:09 cait         :)
16:09 * drojf      goes for a walk to sort out all these crazy ideas
16:07 reiveune     bye
16:05 cait         and see ya monday! (love saying that)
16:05 cait         have fun :)
16:05 cait         yum
16:05 * magnuse    has some other fish to fry, in the kitchen
16:05 jcamins      Sorry!
16:05 jcamins      I must've squashed it out.
16:05 jcamins      I already fixed that one.
16:05 cait         loking for th erecord now
16:05 cait         some shiny new error - you know you want to fix it!
16:05 magnuse      have fun Viktor!
16:04 cait         yep
16:04 jcamins      cait: and failed? :(
16:04 cait         hm jcamins: we got to 11600 this time
16:04 Viktor       Have to run! Thanks for the help!
16:04 Viktor       cait indeed
16:04 cait         feel free to give the bug a test run - I am testing right now, but the more we test the better :)
16:04 Viktor       fait indeed!
16:04 wahanui      search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
16:04 magnuse      search rewrite?
16:04 cait         it is to like :)
16:04 Viktor       jcamins: I like it!
16:03 jcamins      But it'll be easy to change them, unlike the way it is now.
16:03 jcamins      Viktor: that is, all the existing index names will remain the same.
16:03 jcamins      Well, sort of.
16:03 jcamins      Viktor: no.
16:03 cait         lol
16:03 Viktor       jcamins: Sound good! Will the indexes also be affected - stuff like "ti:queen" ?
16:03 jcamins      Just attach all the parts to the patron, and next time they come in, they'll still be together.
16:03 cait         I can see that course you take is having some effect :)
16:03 magnuse      hellz yez!
16:02 jcamins      Or a staple gun.
16:02 cait         heh
16:02 magnuse      cait: plent of duct tape is the best way to deal with that!
16:02 slef         cait: oh yeah, staff note is all you could do when we were doing it.
16:02 jcamins      or/and/not/etc.
16:02 jcamins      Viktor: though a follow-up will make it possible to change the operators to whatever you want.
16:01 cait         slef: but the worst is probably dealing with multipart stuff
16:01 Viktor       jcamins: ok.
16:01 jcamins      Viktor: yes.
16:01 cait         then write the barcode to the tag... etc.
16:01 slef         the RFID stuff did have a release, actually.
16:01 cait         that would be the most needed part I think
16:01 Viktor       jcamins : Will the new parser mean that CCL is replaced as syntax for searches? Yay for fixing broken parsing!
16:01 magnuse      tcohen is planning to remove new zealand?!?
16:01 cait         yep
16:01 jcamins      Eww. That sounds unpleasant.
16:01 slef         cait: yeah like block/unblock security
16:00 tcohen       how should I handle 1) table deletion 2) sysprefs deletion for the nz removal?
16:00 cait         jcamins: rfid devices at the circ desk and telling them to what to do with the tags
16:00 slef         jcamins: if it's all speaking SIP or similar, no worries.
16:00 cait         jcamins: there is such a think as "full integration"... but it's noa fun thing to do
16:00 oleonard     Thanks :)
15:59 chris_n      oleonard: petition granted
15:59 jcamins      Viktor: "or" has unusual precedence, so sometimes all it does is mess up truncation.
15:59 slef         jcamins: it depends if the staff systems need to drive the tagging hardware themselves.
15:59 slef         I've code for 3.0 or 3.2 for both of those, unpublishably tainted and no money to purge it.
15:59 jcamins      RFID shouldn't have much to do with Koha.
15:58 magnuse      sep?
15:58 wahanui      i think RFID is all sep, what makes it hard is when the rfid system does retarded things that mean you need to decode the results
15:58 jcamins      RFID?
15:58 slef         RFID being the other one
15:58 slef         EDIFACT... one of two topics that make my heart sink
15:57 cait         jcamins: hm might think about EDIFACT?
15:57 Viktor       jcamins : I see! We found that it seems like or is interpreted as "stuff I need to truncate search for" sometimes.
15:57 jcamins      slef: no, but I think ByWater had a PR about it?
15:57 cait         and we are getting really close now :)
15:57 slef         jcamins: PTFS-Europe haven't been in touch with you about their inter-library loans thing, have they?
15:57 jcamins      :)
15:56 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
15:56 jcamins      bug 9239 starts fixing it.
15:56 jcamins      And, yeah, it's annoying.
15:56 jcamins      Viktor: "or" doesn't actually work entirely, just as a head's up.
15:56 drojf        :D
15:56 drojf        as a linguist, i should not be saying that
15:56 Viktor       A highlighting/indexing question - I've noticed when trying boolean operators that using 'or' works well but that Koha highlights the 'or' in the results.
15:56 drojf        slef: everyone is a linguist :)
15:55 slef         drojf: what part of me looks like a linguist?
15:55 cait         hi Viktor :)
15:55 drojf        slef: DIY
15:55 slef         I like it but its coverage is sadly patchy.
15:55 drojf        since i looked at it yesternight :D
15:54 drojf        foss translation tool. that might suddenly find its way into my thesis
15:54 slef         apertium++
15:54 jcamins      drojf: apertium?
15:54 drojf        Viktor: cool :)
15:54 Viktor       Hi cait
15:54 drojf        magnuse: yes. but screw google. there is also apertium support
15:54 Viktor       drojf: I'll look into it!
15:54 jcamins      magnuse: he was.
15:54 magnuse      was someone (rangi?) talking about pootle talking to google translate the other day, or did i dream it?
15:54 Viktor       drojf: Cleaning those up would be great, but "suggested translation" being generated would be even better.
15:53 cait         hmpf back
15:53 Viktor       drojf: Interesting thought. I've noticed there is a lot a "script leftovers" in the .po files.
15:53 drojf        Viktor: and if you would have a company that does one for your translation, i would already have one non-english version to play with ;)
15:52 tcohen       c'mon
15:52 jcamins      :P
15:52 jcamins      "annoyance"
15:52 jcamins      "nuisance"
15:52 drojf        Viktor: yeah i am beginning to think about a machine translation support thing with a librarianese dictionary
15:52 jcamins      tcohen: "problem"
15:52 Viktor       magnuse: Nozebra. Aha - understand.
15:51 tcohen       #koha, can you mention words that recall nozebra for you?
15:51 drojf        Viktor: i suppose they will do something like that anyway to stay consistent, maybe you could ask to get it if it is possible (and does not add any cost)?
15:51 Viktor       drojf: But it sounds like a interesting idea. I guess you could pick apart the translation with some script magic and build your own dictionary(?) I don't know how complex it is to parse the .po files though. But it seems like a quite basic file format.
15:50 Viktor       drojf : Only translated files as we planned it.
15:50 smeagol      Hi..would anyone know why I'm getting this message on my SIP server? "Use of inherited AUTOLOAD for non-method ILS::Transaction::Checkin::dt_from_string() is deprecated at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/Checkin.pm line 57."  It was working the other day..
15:50 magnuse      Viktor: ah
15:49 Viktor       magnuse: I have the company standy to start it. The funds that we recently got were for customizations, Pubsubhubbub, communication about the project, evaluation of the project and salaries for the people working with the project.
15:49 magnuse      yeah, any stopwords related stuff is a leftover from NoZebra, i think?
15:49 tcohen       git rm koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/admin/stopwords.tt
15:48 magnuse      Viktor: ah, i thought that was already in progress...
15:48 drojf        Viktor: in the end, will there be the translated files, or will there also be some kind of swedish_librarianese dictionary, glossary or whatever?
15:48 Viktor       drojf : Correct! We updated opac sv just recently. Are waiting for the funds to translate the staff interface. Should be here any day now,
15:47 magnuse      yeah, forget stopwords :-)
15:47 jcamins      Viktor: no, because stopwords do not work at all.
15:47 drojf        Viktor: you are doing the swedish translation with professional translators, right?
15:46 Viktor       jcamins tcohen : Is it possible to add your own stop word list as a librarian?
15:46 * jcamins    hums "A new Argentina, the voice of the Perl is heard..."
15:46 Viktor       magnuse jcamins: Good news! :)
15:45 jcamins      tcohen: yes they are.
15:45 tcohen       are stopwords from the NZ world?
15:45 magnuse      perlpower to the people!
15:45 magnuse      yeah, sure!
15:45 jcamins      However, we're all for people learning Perl. :)
15:45 jcamins      Lots and lots and lots.
15:44 magnuse      Viktor: and you don't have to learn Perl - there is plenty to do with templates, js, sample data, xslt etc etc
15:44 jcamins      tcohen: out of date, I think.
15:44 Viktor       drojf :)
15:43 Viktor       drojf - Yes it would! Learning Perl would be great even if only to be able to understand more of what's going on.
15:43 drojf        but it would be cool!
15:43 drojf        kidding, we don't ask anything
15:43 drojf        Viktor: that's all we ask ;)
15:42 Viktor       drojf : I could title myself dev if we talk about HTML/CSS/Javascript and some Python/PHP/ASP. But it's been a while. And Koha-dev is still a long way to go. But I do want to learn.
15:41 magnuse      Viktor: cool. and it will be easier now than it was then :-)
15:41 Viktor       magnuse Yep - I did run it in VirtualBox. Will have to reinstall on the new computer.
15:40 smeagol      Hi..would anyone know why I'm getting this message on my SIP server? "Use of inherited AUTOLOAD for non-method ILS::Transaction::Checkin::dt_from_string() is deprecated at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/Checkin.pm line 57."
15:40 magnuse      Viktor: probably in a vm, unlesss you run debian/ubuntu (i seem to recall you wrote about running koha in a vm in the "is it good enough" report... and with the packages it has become a lot easier)
15:40 drojf        Viktor++ # soon-to-be developer :)
15:38 tcohen       INSTALL.fedora7 jcamins?
15:38 magnuse      the first thing to do for both signoff and writing patches is to get a dev-install up and running
15:38 Viktor       magnuse :)
15:38 magnuse      Viktor: that's why we are here :-)
15:37 Viktor       LOL _button_
15:37 Viktor       I might bug you here about if I'm pushing the right butting if I actually do manage to get over the initial barrier and make a try (there is no try yes I know?)
15:35 jcamins      *!
15:35 jcamins      Yay Viktor1
15:35 jcamins      You can do it!
15:35 Viktor       Will look into that - but not promising anything until it's done :)
15:34 magnuse      yep!
15:34 jcamins      Yes, lots of opportunity for signoffs!
15:34 Viktor       jcamins - No. Well - I've had magnuse do the stuff I can't. Which he does very well :) But I'm hoping to get at least a &nbsp; or something in there one day. A bug might be the thing :)
15:34 oleonard     And sign-offs, don't forget those!
15:33 jcamins      (and you can be a committer for 3.12:)
15:32 jcamins      If not, you have two months for fixing a bug. :)
15:32 jcamins      Viktor: do you have any patches in Koha yet?
15:32 Viktor       But - there is now a blogpost at http://blogg.regionhalland.se/koha/2013/03/14/enable-settings-for-sweden/ about our little chat. Thanks for all the help :)
15:32 magnuse      other_stuff_to_do-- ;-)
15:31 Viktor       I'm working on cleaning up the text from google translate. But only got like 25% through before having to do other stuff.
15:31 drojf        d'oh
15:31 jcamins      Hehe.
15:31 Viktor       Neither one is legal for people in general to download from.
15:30 Viktor       drojf We have two TPB - One from the government with loads of audio-books as mp3 (Daisy). And the other one :)
15:30 drojf        »Koppling till MTM (Gamla TPB)«. i thought that meant the pirate bay :/
15:28 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7843 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Create RSS for OPAC news
15:28 oleonard     Viktor-away: Bug 7843. At least there's a bug for it :)
15:28 jcamins      Nope.
15:27 tcohen       (is it even maintained?)
15:27 jcamins      tcohen: not.
15:27 tcohen       how relevant is the file installer/data/Pg/kohastructure.sql ?
15:20 magnuse      s/pondering/pondering adding to koha/
15:20 magnuse      if anyone is curious about what sorts of other things Viktor is pondering, i can recommend running this through google translate: http://blogg.regionhalland.se/koha/2013/03/05/var-onskelista-att-gora-att-bygga-och-att-hoppas-pa/
15:17 magnuse      yay!
15:16 huginn       gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #237 added.
15:16 gmcharlt     @quote add <magnuse> lightbugs are probably easier to solve than hardbugs
15:15 magnuse      lightbugs are probably easier to solve than hardbugs
15:12 oleonard     lightningbugs++
15:12 gmcharlt     lightbulbs++
15:12 gmcharlt     er, NEED MORE COFFEE
15:12 gmcharlt     lightbugs++
15:11 Viktor-away  :) :)
15:11 * magnuse    shields his eyes from the light coming from the lightbulbs above Viktor's head
15:10 magnuse      Viktor++
15:10 Viktor       Going away to blog a bit about our little interaction here :)
15:08 Viktor       :D
15:08 magnuse      yay!
15:07 drojf        :P
15:07 drojf        i agree. we saved sweden!
15:07 magnuse      Viktor: yeah, in general, i think that is the way to go
15:07 magnuse      Viktor: here are the "norwegian settings" that you can choose when you run the web installer for norwegian: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/nb-NO/1-Obligatorisk/system_preferences.sql;h=c60594433a67838a26adb40656c2f07a9db53125;hb=HEAD
15:07 Viktor       drojf magnuse : I think you guys just sorted this out. We'll get everything in the main code and add a "enable settings for sweden" choice.
15:06 drojf        that would be an installer thing to do after you put all the other stuff in the regular places i think
15:06 Viktor       magnuse - Having "settings for sweden" to chose during install would be glorious.
15:06 magnuse      yeah, i'd say get it all in there as long as it doesn't trip others up
15:05 drojf        not sure what the government stuff is supposed to do :)
15:05 magnuse      when you set up the web installer to work for swedish you can have it load "swedish" syspref settings
15:05 drojf        Viktor: those are little things in a lot of different places and i think it should just go into main koha, like the other date forms, cover image sources etc
15:05 Viktor       magnuse Yep it should translate to that. But it is a bit different from country to country I think.
15:04 Viktor       Or could it be done with some sort of "custom settings file" that you could download?
15:04 magnuse      person number = social security number, according to google translate
15:03 Viktor       magnuse Oh - and that too!
15:03 drojf        a koha account for everyone, together with the person number :D
15:03 Viktor       jcmins : Stuff like date formats, address formats, cover image vendors, syncing records with our national library, syncing patron addresses with our goverment database.
15:03 drojf        THAT would be very swedish
15:03 magnuse      are you thinking about the validating swedish "person numbers" thing?
15:02 drojf        that ;)
15:02 drojf        yes
15:02 drojf        Viktor: it is nothing that is inherently swedish
15:02 jcamins      What makes them "specifically for Sweden"?
15:02 Viktor       It is, in't it? Especially since you have a "patron summary card" up at the left anyway.
15:02 magnuse      Viktor: good question. not possible to make them more general?
15:02 magnuse      btw, i completely agree that it seems awkward to have the checkouts at the bottom of the patron details page! :-)
15:01 Viktor       magnuse drojf But how do you feel about adding sysprefs for adding customizations that are specifically for sweden?
15:01 Viktor       :-) Recognize that yes...
15:00 magnuse      hehe
15:00 drojf        just my experience that a lot of people turn mad if something moves a few pixels away :D
15:00 Viktor       magnuse Might side with drojf there.
15:00 drojf        (not trying to talk you out of it, i like layout improvements a lot)
15:00 magnuse      drojf: sure
14:59 drojf        magnuse: true, but that might eventually lead to a lot of sysprefs for moving fields around.
14:59 Viktor       drojf - But I still think I'll try to suggest the thing I think more people might benefit from. I'm a little hesitant to do a lot of DOM-modding after a page is loaded.
14:58 magnuse      drojf, Viktor: the way to get around that is to regulate the new layout with a syspref...
14:58 Viktor       drojf You have a point there.
14:57 Viktor       Thanks magnuse - had forgotten about it!
14:57 oleonard     Got it Joubu, thanks
14:55 wahanui      I haven't seen 'this', magnuse
14:55 magnuse      Viktor: seen this? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library
14:55 magnuse      Viktor: if it's just changing js and html, it should be just a question of changing the templates
14:55 drojf        if it is "drastic" layout changes i guess it is nothing that will go into the code because people will say "oh no that thing has always been down there and now it is up there, oh my god why?"
14:54 Viktor       Think I'll write RFCs for these things and provide a starting point that people can improve on. I know how to write the code in HTML/CSS, but not what the best way is to make Koha output it :)
14:52 Viktor       magnuse: Aha.
14:52 magnuse      Viktor: i think with jquery you can fix things without changing code. with bootstrap it would more have to chenge the code
14:51 magnuse      nice
14:51 Viktor       magnuse: simple enough stuff. Just changing how stuff is displayed - but adds a lot of speed to their workflow.
14:50 Viktor       magnuse: Another one is moving the box with a patrons loans, holds etc to the top of the "patron details" page. They need that information all the time and have to scroll to see it.
14:49 Viktor       magnuse: The easiest fix they want is a mouseover for the tabs of the search-box with the keyboard shortcuts for that tab. If it's already there we were'nt able to trig that mouseover-event.
14:49 Joubu        else the an undefined function is called
14:48 Joubu        oleonard: l.30 should be [% IF (dateformat == 'metric' and saved1) %]
14:47 Joubu        oleonard: js/datatables.js (which contains the dt_add_type_uk_dates js function) is loaded on condition
14:47 Viktor       magnuse : That = using bootstrap to add stuff without having to mod the .pm files
14:47 Joubu        oleonard: directly on reports/guided_reports.pl
14:46 magnuse      Viktor: "that would enable me" - what do yu mean by "that"?
14:45 magnuse      the community generally likes good ideas :-)
14:45 Viktor       oleonard magnuse: While also making it possible to integrate it into the main code if the community likes what we come up with?
14:45 oleonard     Viktor: If what you're talking about are improvements they should be made to community code
14:44 Viktor       oleonard magnuse: So that would enable me to make customizations without changing the community code?
14:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9466 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on saved reports page
14:44 oleonard     Joubu: I'm confused about which page gave you an error when you tested Bug 9466
14:43 magnuse      yeah, that's a really good idea!
14:42 oleonard     Viktor: Feel free to file enhancement bugs for things you think would be improvements even if you don't have time now to send fixes
14:41 oleonard     http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/javascript.html
14:41 Viktor       oleonard: Will look into that - thanks! But as of now I don't even know what it means :)
14:40 oleonard     Viktor: Look at the Bootstrap options if you're looking to add tooltips, popovers, etc.
14:40 Viktor       magnuse: They actually came up with quite a few ideas on how to streamline the workflow in the staff interface.
14:39 Viktor       magnuse: Will shoot for 3.14 then. Sorry I missed the meeting here yesterday.
14:38 magnuse      Viktor: that would be cool! but remember that the deadline for new features in 3.12 is tomorrow, while bugs can be fixed for another month or so :-)
14:37 Viktor       magnuse phew :)
14:37 Viktor       magnuse I would like that, but there's always to much other stuff going on :/ But - the workshop this week gave some good input on ideas that are easy to implement. Like mouseover text that would be helpful. I might be able to make that happen as a start :)
14:36 magnuse      Viktor: it's a maori greeting :-)
14:36 jcamins      tcohen++
14:36 tcohen       jcamins, I'll remove oldRecord from ModZebra as is only used for NoZebra
14:34 magnuse      Viktor: still time to get a signoff or two into 3.12, or even a bugfix :-)
14:34 Viktor       (Looking up what I just said :)
14:33 Viktor       kia ora magnuse
14:33 * cait       likes to tidy up things... but she is a librarian after all
14:33 magnuse      kia ora Viktor
14:32 jcamins      tcohen: it does indeed.
14:32 tcohen       refactoring happens to be boring
14:30 magnuse      gotta have a hobby :-)
14:18 gmcharlt     to my surprise, I'm inordinately fond of seeking out the "treasures" in comment spam feeds
14:17 Dyrcona      gmcharlt: Sounds like something that sloganizer would come up with.
14:15 huginn       gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
14:15 gmcharlt     @later tell bag I found this in my comment spam today, and though you might find this amusing: "bag is sheer novelty, so buy it on pure emotion if it speaks to you."
14:14 tcohen       oops :-S
14:14 tcohen       (reverse-i-search)`koha-qa.': ~/git/koha-qa-test/koha-qa.pl -c 1 -v 3
14:08 * oleonard   petitions chris_n to remove saved/shared Bugzilla searches for 3.2.x and 3.4.x
14:04 jcamins      Sounds good. :)
14:03 cait         I am going to tackle some smaller things until then and as long as internt connection permits
14:03 cait         investiage and letme know
14:03 jcamins      And since I copied the definition from Match, that means Match is wrong, and since Match is just another name for Heading...
14:02 jcamins      I think Match-heading may be defined wrong.
14:02 cait         in which area?
14:02 cait         I would not be totaly surprised
14:02 jcamins      I have a suspicion that our Zebra config may be wrong, and have always been wrong.
14:01 jcamins      I'm checking now.
14:01 cait         finding them is good
14:01 cait         oh ok
14:01 jcamins      cait: I may have found a bug.
14:00 cait         jcamins: any news?
13:59 tcohen       thanks jcamins for the clarificatio, i'm going to think of some example scenarios to get the whole idea
13:59 cait         hmpf
13:58 jcamins      Closely related, but when we talk about persistence being required for Plack, we're talking about variables and code.
13:58 tcohen       not "dealing with the fact that code is loaded just once and as variables persist in time we need to take care of it"
13:58 jcamins      That's something else.
13:58 tcohen       I wasthinking of a persistence layer, which could be provided by an ORM
13:56 jcamins      I suspect probably the problem is that you're thinking of something else when you hear "persistence."
13:56 jcamins      What are you thinking of when you say "persistence"?
13:56 jcamins      The code and variables persist.
13:56 jcamins      That's what persistence is.
13:55 tcohen       jcamins, still don't get the relation with persistence
13:54 jcamins      Basically Plack compiles all the Perl code when it is started (or when something is first called), and keeps the compiled form in RAM.
13:53 * tcohen     is trying to process your response
13:51 jcamins      That's the entire point.
13:51 jcamins      *once
13:51 jcamins      It loads the code ocne.
13:51 jcamins      tcohen: Plack is a persistent environment.
13:50 tcohen       can someone point me to an explanation of the assertion "Plack needs persistence"?
13:50 jcamins      However, when QP is disabled, it could be of use to someone.
13:49 jcamins      oleonard: it won't do much.
13:49 datadoctor   Good morning!
13:48 oleonard     no-op?
13:46 jcamins      I'd probably push 7518 anyway, even though it's a no-op.
13:46 jcamins      oleonard: not necessarily.
13:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
13:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , searches with quotation marks don't work
13:45 oleonard     Would the need for a fix for Bug 7518 be eliminated by approval of Bug 9239?
13:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9610 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, bgkriegel, Signed Off , Spanish translation of MARC21 default bibliographic framework
13:39 tcohen       bgkriegel's patch for bug 9610 *should* make it into 3.12
13:35 cait1        a
13:34 cait1        I will switch templates and the pref and if it's ok it's passed q
13:34 cait1        ... and now it's pretty :)
13:34 Joubu        cait1: cool :)
13:33 cait1        I am looking at a really ugly detail page now :)
13:33 wahanui      normal view is ok now
13:33 cait1        normal view!!
13:33 cait1        Joubu: never mind :)
13:32 Joubu        I will rebase it
13:32 Joubu        no, I tested on my old local branch
13:32 cait1        yep
13:32 Joubu        cait1: 9711 ?
13:29 cait1        Joubu: you tested today on master?
13:29 magnuse      tcohen++ - you beat me to it :-) (and i took the liberty of unindenting the list)
13:20 cait1        getting warmertoo :)
13:20 huginn       cait1: The current temperature in Heidelberg, Germany is 2.0°C (2:12 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
13:20 cait1        @wunder Heidelberg, Germany
13:16 cait1        tcohen++ :)
13:16 huginn       cait1: downloading the Perl source
13:16 cait1        huginn: tsk.
13:16 tcohen       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Crowdfunding
13:16 huginn       cait1: Error: No such location could be found.
13:16 cait1        and the snow is gone and we got sun!
13:16 cait1        @wunder Heidelberg
13:16 cait1        we are in heidelberg now :)
13:13 cait1        it has lots of useful information.
13:13 cait1        I won't apologize for my data
13:13 cait1        ok :)
13:12 jcamins      Which is weird. :P
13:12 jcamins      So, yes. Revert the last patch, and look at something else while I'm confirming my fix against your data.
13:12 cait1        *confused* :)
13:12 jcamins      Wait... yeah, just revert the last patch and I'll squash my new fix together.
13:12 cait1        hm
13:11 jcamins      I'll split the last patch, first.
13:10 cait1        I will revert the last patch then?
13:10 cait1        cool
13:10 jcamins      I think I may have a fix...
13:09 jcamins      :)
13:09 cait1        but if you fixed the linker in another bug... I woudl be grateful of course :)
13:08 jcamins      You bet!
13:08 cait1        because i am about to pass qa on the query parser
13:07 cait1        part
13:07 cait1        if you want you can give me a new patch without the linker patch
13:07 cait1        uhoh
13:07 jcamins      Ah-ha...
13:07 cait1        heh
13:07 jcamins      I just remembered that.
13:06 cait1        you could just use that for your testing :)
13:06 jcamins      Yes.
13:06 cait1        you got my data
13:06 cait1        :P
13:06 * jcamins    messes around with his data so it will look like cait's.
13:06 * cait1      waits
13:06 cait1        ok
13:05 jcamins      Yes.
13:05 cait1        so I can stop the complaining script for now? :)
13:04 jcamins      *thought of
13:04 jcamins      About trying to compare undefined variables.
13:04 cait1        you found one you mean?
13:04 cait1        hm?
13:04 jcamins      You're going to get warnings.
13:04 cait1        hm still running
13:04 jcamins      Oh, I just thought a problem with my patch...
13:03 cait1        i am runnign with -v -l now
13:02 jcamins      Hrm. I suspect it may be.
13:02 cait1        werid data?
13:02 cait1        well for the first 1500 it seems pretty much that
13:02 jcamins      I usually get that about a half dozen times when I run the linker, not every time.
13:02 cait1        I don't see anything else
13:02 cait1        it looks like
13:02 cait1        weird data?
13:02 jcamins      cait1: on every record?
13:01 cait1        oAuth error: Unsupported Use attribute (114) Match-heading Bib-1
13:01 Joubu        jcamins: simply "toto" :)
13:01 jcamins      Probably not so good.
13:01 cait1        it does something now,but it doesn't look so promising
13:01 wahanui      well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
13:01 cait1        interesting
13:01 cait1        ah
13:01 * jcamins    waits for Joubu to enter his password. :P
13:01 jcamins      Pasword:
13:01 cait1        checking the linker now
13:00 cait1        jcamins: manually linked authority works nicely
13:00 Joubu        thanks :)
13:00 * cait1      sends Joubu cookies
13:00 cait1        :)
12:59 Joubu        oops
12:59 cait1        benedictus de nursia
12:59 Joubu        ssh koha-qa.local
12:59 cait1        i am testing with a saint - it shoud just work, right? :)
12:59 jcamins      Oh, those crazy Germans.
12:58 cait1        first test looks good
12:58 cait1        not going to argue with you about that :)
12:58 cait1        jcamins: germany decided to put subject chain subjects there
12:58 jcamins      cait1: yeah, I'd like to try both.
12:57 cait1        jcamins: will try without first and see if my manually linked one works now
12:57 jcamins      689?
12:57 jcamins      cait1: yes please.
12:57 cait1        because I only get a by line and never ever an additional authors line in current master  and I have subjects in 689
12:56 cait1        for athe authorpop thing - xslt or normal view?
12:56 Joubu        cait1: yep, i'm back
12:56 cait1        jcamins: so i am supposed to try running the linker again, right?
12:56 cait1        the ads are amusing
12:56 jcamins      Hehe.
12:56 magnuse      hehe
12:55 cait1        becuase one out of my 4 friends is
12:55 cait1        facebook still thinks I am norwegian
12:55 jcamins      cait1: it's because I write 1-line QA follow-ups.
12:55 cait1        LOL
12:55 jcamins      Facebook just told me that I am a failure because I have 259 friends and my wife has 500-something and my brother almost 1000.
12:55 oleonard     Then a WYSIWYG HTML editor
12:55 cait1        jcamins: did you notice we reached the 6th qa follow-up? :P
12:54 magnuse      then an email client
12:54 magnuse      yeah, gotta have a feed reader in koha
12:54 magnuse      heh
12:54 cait1        in koha? ;)
12:54 jcamins      oleonard: hehe.
12:54 cait1        lol
12:54 oleonard     All the crowdfunding dollars are going now to funding a Google Reader replacement :P
12:53 magnuse      i think we need a wiki page for brainstorming...
12:52 jcamins      tcohen: that would be excellent.
12:51 tcohen       we could add to the crowdfund the task of extending coverage of unit tests
12:51 * cait1      gives myshkin some attention
12:51 cait1        waiting for my database right now.... loading dump after testing the renewal patch
12:51 cait1        that was fast :)
12:48 jcamins      Attached.
12:47 cait1        lol
12:46 jcamins      This is not a trick I approve of.
12:46 cait1        jcamins: and you hurry up - we are on our way into the black forrest with bad internet connectiona nd lots of tunnels ;)
12:46 jcamins      Myshkin has learned that if he starts gagging like he's going to vomit he gets attention.
12:46 cait1        Joubu: still around?
12:46 cait1        not sure i really deserve that karma
12:45 cait1        guess the data is good for something then... good for testing
12:45 magnuse      cait++
12:44 jcamins      However, there is a situation where weird data can crash the linker.
12:44 cait1        *sigh*
12:44 jcamins      It is.
12:44 jcamins      The linker thing was longstanding.
12:44 cait1        I thought it was my weird data again :)
12:44 cait1        that was the linker thing I noticed?
12:44 cait1        ah
12:44 jcamins      Also one new bug.
12:44 cait1        cool
12:44 jcamins      Actually, you found longstanding bugs in SimpleSearch *and* in the authority linker.
12:43 jcamins      Writing a commit message now.
12:43 cait1        oh yay
12:43 jcamins      I do.
12:43 cait1        because I am about to start testing on a new bug right now :)
12:43 cait1        jcamins: do you have a patch ready for my latest complaints? :)
12:42 cait1        :)
12:42 cait1        found a power outlet
12:42 cait1        jcamins: oups
12:38 jcamins      cait++ # for finding longstanding bugs in the authority linker
12:35 cait1        ... running out of battery soon too :(
12:35 * oleonard   waves back to cait and cait1
12:32 * cait       waves
12:22 wizzyrea     hahaha
12:21 jcamins      Myshkin just acted out the penguin falling off a cliff.
12:20 oleonard     Hi :)
12:20 wizzyrea     also, good morning
12:20 wizzyrea     causing trouble, wreaking havoc
12:20 oleonard     wizzyrea, what are you doing up?
12:19 wizzyrea     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcx6YyXvvRI&feature=player_embedded
12:18 jcamins      Myshkin just came running over and jumped on my lap when I turned on that video.
12:16 wizzyrea     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGUhEPdLmus&feature=player_embedded
12:16 jcamins      And I thought I saw a PR from ByWater about PTFS Europe's ILL code at some point.
12:15 wizzyrea     mmm yep
12:15 tcohen       maybe its the 3.10.x branch from git
12:15 jcamins      wizzyrea: isn't it a bit late for you?
12:14 drojf        what i picture when i read this is: »OMG, it's git in production, let's run!«
12:13 Dyrcona      But that's a different software.
12:13 * Dyrcona    runs from git in production.
12:11 * magnuse    used to run from git in production
12:04 wizzyrea     sorry the 2nd
12:04 wizzyrea     http://i1.wp.com/laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/tumblr_mif7n8N6XI1rwkrdbo1_500.jpg?resize=500%2C317
12:04 wizzyrea     http://myjetpack.tumblr.com/post/43399808071/a-book-of-my-cartoons-will-be-out-in-late-april
12:03 wizzyrea     hm.
12:03 wizzyrea     running from git in production?
12:01 tcohen       morning #koha
11:54 drojf        lol
11:50 slef         furry
11:50 wahanui      are so awesomely delicious they will make grown men weep.
11:50 slef         wahanui: kebabs?
11:45 magnuse      lol!
11:44 drojf        fish kebab place, not one kebab :)
11:44 drojf        there was a fish kebab near my old flat. it smelled horrible, i never tried it
11:43 magnuse      drojf: nooo, don't mess with the pizza!
11:43 slef         drojf: kebabs
11:40 drojf        fishpizza fryday? :)
11:40 * magnuse    has other fish to fry
11:38 drojf        so, get started. that's gonne be a long day :P
11:37 magnuse      and there is lots of stuff that is just new, so getting it up-to-date with master might not be that hard
11:36 wizzyrea     further down than I was lookin :)
11:36 wizzyrea     oh wait never mind there's the 3.8.8
11:35 wizzyrea     db updates stop at 3.8.7
11:33 magnuse      yeah 3.8.8
11:33 magnuse      i just looked at the name of the branch
11:33 wizzyrea     it looks like they have code in there from as recently as 3 months ago
11:33 magnuse      ah
11:32 slef         magnuse: yeah, but one commit talks about fixes for 3.10, so it might not be as straightforward as that.
11:32 wizzyrea     it's 2 versions behind at this point - f they only finished it a month ago that kind of explains that.
11:32 drojf        slef: please do
11:32 slef         magnuse: oooh, maybe I should reply and point that out.
11:32 magnuse      and it looks like it is based on 3.8...
11:31 wizzyrea     kek.
11:31 magnuse      and they have until tomorrow to get it into 3.12...
11:31 slef         wizzyrea: yet.  But still advertise that they have.
11:30 wizzyrea     ..yet
11:30 slef         magnuse: groan.  So they've developed it for koha, but not bothered to add it to koha.
11:29 wizzyrea     it's still crackly it's so new
11:28 magnuse      slef: there is branch in their repo: https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/koha/tree/3.8.ptfs_ILL
11:27 cait1        bbl all
11:27 cait1        wizzyrea: go to sleep! ;)
11:25 * magnuse    would be interested to know more about the ill capabilities
11:21 slef         That's some way from EGBT, but bizarrely exactly where I was looking for.
11:21 huginn       slef: The current temperature in Potterspury, Towcester, United Kingdom is 4.8°C (11:13 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
11:21 slef         @wunder EGBT
11:21 wizzyrea     just because I guess
11:21 wizzyrea     hm
11:20 huginn       slef: Error: No such location could be found.
11:20 slef         @wunder EGBV
11:20 cait1        wizzyrea: why are you awake? :)
11:19 slef         I rarely remember the code, though.
11:18 slef         that's the nearest station
11:18 huginn       slef: The current temperature in Gedney Hill, Spalding, United Kingdom is 4.3°C (11:01 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
11:18 slef         @wunder EGCL
11:17 huginn       slef: The current temperature in Yaxley, Peterborough, United Kingdom is 7.8°C (11:14 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
11:17 slef         @wunder EGSF
11:14 slef         wizzyrea: lot of it about here.  Few hills.
11:14 wizzyrea     though I'm rather becoming affectionate towards wind.
11:14 wizzyrea     boo wind.
11:13 slef         wizzyrea: 5 with a windchill of 5 = 0
11:13 huginn       slef: The current temperature in Cranwell, United Kingdom is 4.0°C (10:50 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
11:13 slef         @wunder EGYD
11:11 wizzyrea     still, not so bad at 5 - perhaps a bit cold for march.
11:11 slef         wizzyrea: EGYM should be RAF Marham. Not sure why wunder doesn't like it.
11:10 wizzyrea     Flick's Weeting - is that where they shot 'A Bug's Life'
11:10 huginn       slef: The current temperature in Flick's, Weeting, United Kingdom is 5.1°C (11:00 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
11:10 slef         @wunder EGYM
11:10 huginn       slef: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (12:00 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
11:10 slef         @wunder Konstanz
11:03 huginn       cait1: Error: No such location could be found.
11:03 cait1        @wunder Kontanz
10:54 drojf        interesting indeed
10:52 wahanui      interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
10:52 cait1        slef: interesting.
10:52 slef         wondering if/how to respond
10:51 slef         [off] https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1303&L=LIS-LINK&F=&S=&P=47248
10:50 slef         drojf: I simply don't know.  The above is from a seminar advert sent to UK librarians.
10:49 drojf        slef: they wouldn't accidentally have added that to this similar named system by that similar named company?
10:47 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7317 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, sarah, ASSIGNED , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC
10:47 slef         bug 7317 is also pretty idle
10:47 slef         "PTFS Europe have also just added an inter-library loan capability to Koha."  Anyone know about that?  I'm not spotting it in git log.
10:37 slef         [off] "Look at what they make you give" http://gobblin.se/u/mjray/m/crashing-into-a-badly-placed-light-pole/
10:04 cait1        or use a csv profile -b ut that feature is only available in versions 3.6+ I think
10:04 cait1        tanzi: maybe try exporting it into one of the provided formats
10:00 tanzi        Any help for printing the search list,please
09:59 tanzi        itried to add my search output to a list and print it, but when i add to list i can add it only page by page to a list.
09:57 tanzi        i want to know whether i could print the result of my search output.
09:56 tanzi        i ve come with another doubt ;-)
09:56 tanzi        hi
09:52 cait1        I tried normal and xslt and made sure the pref was turned on
09:52 cait1        must be missing osmething
09:52 cait1        Joubu: I am sorry - not trying to be difficult there - just really couldn't get it to show up
09:51 Joubu        cait1: yep I saw your comment, I will try to provide a better test plan
09:51 cait1        but looking at anothe of your bugs now :)
09:48 cait1        Joubu: sorry... on at train. I wanted to ask you about 9711 - but probably won#t make much sense to try and figure that out right now with bad internet connection
09:33 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9103 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , overdue_notices.pl should use AutoEmailPrimaryAddress syspref
09:33 slef         Changes submitted for bug 9103
09:26 * slef       tries to do the mental gymnastics to rebase it
09:26 * slef       junks the QA
09:25 wizzyrea     good luck
09:25 tanzi        c u all again
09:24 wizzyrea     we tend it every day ;)
09:24 tanzi        ok thank you, that was my first useful IRC, thankyou all, by4now tk core of koah :-)
09:24 Joubu        cait1: hello
09:23 cait1        hm.
09:23 * wizzyrea   sympathises
09:23 * slef       gets into the longest argument with git about a QA
09:22 * wizzyrea   has always said yeap and newp :P
09:22 rangi        nope
09:22 cait1        them
09:22 cait1        rangi: I think they prompt - but you have to run
09:22 wahanui      i guess so there is no way we can enable it I think
09:22 rangi        so there
09:22 rangi        the packages do
09:22 slef         wizzyrea: the kiwish lessons are working, then?
09:22 wizzyrea     WINNING
09:22 cait1        never.
09:22 cait1        heh
09:22 cait1        not automatically
09:22 wizzyrea     not automatically.
09:22 wizzyrea     newp
09:21 slef         cait1: it doesn't run the items converter does it?
09:21 wizzyrea     yeap
09:21 cait1        like always since I can remember - which is 3.2 alpha or so :)
09:21 slef         wizzyrea: oic. Will need to run the items converter too.
09:21 cait1        slef: why would it not prompt before? didn't it always?
09:21 wizzyrea     :)
09:21 wizzyrea     as in, he's running 3.2
09:21 slef         wizzyrea: as in, after 3.4.0
09:21 wizzyrea     no, 3.2
09:21 cait1        tanzi: koha will upgrade the db structure for you
09:20 slef         or actually, I think it may prompt you on first admin login, as long as you're upgrading from a version after 3.4
09:20 slef         tanzi: yes, as long as you run the upgrade script(s), it will change the older db to the new one.
09:20 wizzyrea     yes, it should work
09:20 tanzi        i mean will the new db is compatible with older db structure?
09:19 tanzi        ok then while upgrading ,will the new db be compatible with the newer one so that i be able to import older data to the upgraded db
09:17 slef         tanzi: depends how you installed it.
09:14 drojf        if you have local changes in the codebase you are on your own
09:14 drojf        to backup the data in general, you would save the sql, not the koha code
09:14 drojf        tanzi: have you made local changes to your koha? or do you mean your koha data in general?
09:12 tanzi        of koha
09:12 tanzi        anybody there to tell me which directory to backup my installed koha code in Debian 6 before upgrading to a newer version
09:11 cait1        Joubu: around?
09:10 tanzi        anybody there?
09:10 tanzi        hey..
09:08 tanzi        i am correct?
09:07 tanzi        when i search for keyword koha i find this
09:07 tanzi        is everythig in the /usr/share/koha?
09:07 tanzi        in the filesystem
09:07 tanzi        i am not sure where th koha code is distributed..
09:06 tanzi        it is not as simple like backing up one single directory
09:06 tanzi        but how to backup the code?
09:06 wizzyrea     always a good plan
09:06 tanzi        i will backup my db
09:05 rangi        so you want to change it without anything changing? the answer then is no
09:05 tanzi        i want to upgrade without any damage to the code and the db
09:04 rangi        ??
09:04 tanzi        is it possible to upgrade my koha to the recent stable version by keeping the older version as it is
09:03 cait1        hi paul_p
09:03 rangi        hi paul_p
09:02 cait1        can't see anything happen in xslt
09:02 cait1        wizzyrea: hm. I will try normal view
09:02 tanzi        when i add
09:02 rangi        thats a pretty old version of Koha
09:02 tanzi        actually i want to set my custom framework as default
09:02 wizzyrea     afaict
09:02 wizzyrea     cait: it doesn't say
09:02 cait1        ah never midn - I think I got bugzilla open now
09:02 Viktor       hi cait1
09:01 * wizzyrea   missed the "I opened that"
09:01 wizzyrea     and where on the page are you trying to stick it?
09:01 wizzyrea     same place but addbooks.tmpl
09:00 wizzyrea     ah
09:00 tanzi        Koha version: 	3.02.06.000
09:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9711 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , OPACPopupAuthorsSearch  ugly in CSSR
08:59 cait1        as bugzila don't want to open for me... could someone tell me abut bug 9711 - lookng for the information if it should work with xslt or normal view
08:59 wizzyrea     right only tt
08:59 rangi        what version of koha tanzi?
08:59 rangi        you shouldnt be seeing .tmpl files
08:59 cait1        ook
08:59 wizzyrea     that's where you'll put you <a href="...">link</a>
08:59 cait1        we were discussing terry pratchett earlier
08:59 * cait1      hands drojf frog pills
08:58 wizzyrea     you should find an addbooks.tt
08:58 drojf        [off] "it can take any pron, not just nominative" *giggles*
08:58 wizzyrea     you want to look in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/
08:58 cait1        tanzi: what exactly do you want to do?
08:57 tanzi        hi cait1 can u help me
08:57 tanzi        Please help..
08:57 tanzi        have some perl knowledge
08:56 tanzi        new to TMPL usage
08:56 tanzi        couldnt find where to edit
08:56 cait1        hi Viktor :)
08:56 tanzi        i opened addbooks.tmpl
08:55 tanzi        hi im trying to edit the view of addbooks.pl .I want to add an <a href ..> to this view. where should i edit?
08:55 cait1        t
08:52 cait1        drojf: you have strange taste :)
08:52 cait1        drojf: that's ok - was just hoping to speed it up :)
08:52 wizzyrea     nope, I laughed
08:51 rangi        nope saw that
08:51 drojf        the apertium channel talks in complete computerlinguist gibberish <3
08:51 cait1        guess my batman comment was lost too?
08:51 cait1        got kicked out
08:51 cait1        hm sorry
08:50 rangi        yep, we can go to one that will have a bit more happening and costs a bit less as a good learning one
08:50 drojf        cait1: no signing off for me, got other problems to solve, sorry
08:45 * wizzyrea   is keen to learn tho
08:44 * wizzyrea   totally doesn't understand cricket but believes you when you say it would be a suboptimal experience
08:44 rangi        heh
08:43 * cait       read bat and was thinking dadadadadada batman!
08:43 * magnuse    does not want rangi to go all batty
08:37 rangi        wizzyrea: will probably not go to the cricket tomorrow, looks like england will bat all day, and i dont want to pay $43 to watch them bat
08:37 cait         drojf: could you sign off maybe?
08:37 cait         it's on my list indeed
08:37 cait         hehe
08:36 wizzyrea     because I don't want to be responsible for nuking your translated strings :P
08:35 wizzyrea     before release
08:35 wizzyrea     just don't want it to get missed.
08:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9745 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Don't nuke translated permissions with changes introduced in bug 9382
08:34 wizzyrea     oh hey, europeans - bug 9745
08:34 cait         interesitng
08:34 cait         ah
08:33 drojf        it does the ß>B>b thing
08:32 drojf        (09:26:04) huginn: cait: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Willi-Bredel-Strabe
08:32 cait         drojf: huh?
08:29 drojf        strabe :D
08:29 asaurat      http://www.tameteo.com/meteo_Marseille-Europe-France-Bouches+du+Rhone-LFML-1-26127.html
08:29 cait         ugh
08:29 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.3°C (9:25 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:29 cait         @wunder Konstanz
08:28 huginn       cait: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Willi-Bredel-Strabe DE, Leipzig, Germany is -7.2°C (9:03 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
08:28 cait         @wunder leipzig
08:28 christophe_c you know cait, yesterday afternoon => 14° but with the wind the temp. drops
08:28 cait         :)
08:28 cait         rangi: tsk.
08:28 asaurat      hehe
08:28 rangi        :)
08:28 rangi        get inside and work!!
08:27 asaurat      actually, the forecasts predict a very rainy week :p
08:27 cait         christophe_c: that's not so warm.... but I had lots of snow the last 3 days... so i won't complain
08:27 christophe_c yep cait I am working on it ;-)
08:25 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
08:24 cait         @wunder marseille
08:24 cait         good :) work some more on it :)
08:24 christophe_c cait windy today but by the way sunny ;-)
08:22 christophe_c hello drjf cait
08:20 cait         christophe_c: how is the weather project?
08:20 cait         good morning drojf
08:20 drojf        guten morgen cait
08:20 drojf        hi christophe_c
08:19 christophe_c hello #koha
08:16 drojf        :)
08:14 magnuse      boo
08:14 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
08:14 magnuse      @wunder boo
08:11 drojf        as long as i don't leave the house it seems like a nice spring day here
08:11 drojf        i got sun :)
08:11 drojf        just 21° more. that's nothing
08:10 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
08:10 rangi        @wunder nzwn
08:10 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is -4.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
08:10 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
08:09 drojf        heh true
08:08 magnuse      the name even sounds like some place in norway :-)
08:07 magnuse      yeah, that sounds promising
08:06 rangi        yup
08:06 wizzyrea     hm that looks interesting
08:05 rangi        but it is gplv3
08:05 rangi        disclaimer never actually tried it
08:05 rangi        http://selfoss.aditu.de/
08:04 drojf        rangi++
08:00 * magnuse    starts dreaming of a collaborative feed reader for library people, again
07:59 magnuse      anyone know a good, free software, web-based alternative?
07:59 drojf        rangi: ah, that makes sense
07:58 rangi        its one of the few ones that didnt track you, hence why they are killing it
07:58 drojf        »look, that centralized service of that spying corporation. how can something like that suddenly shutdown?« :P
07:58 magnuse      hehe
07:58 wizzyrea     i'm tempted to go all hipster on you and say I used it before it was cool.
07:58 * magnuse    too
07:58 wizzyrea     meh, it's a product I've used for years, and like.
07:58 magnuse      guilty!
07:57 drojf        somehow i read that everywhere i go. you're all slaves to google :P
07:56 wizzyrea     awful. Really irritated about it.
07:56 * magnuse    starts looking for an alternative to google reader
07:55 magnuse      nz++
07:55 magnuse      wizzyrea: yay!
07:52 wizzyrea     (some comes much further, but a lot more is local, especially seasonal vegetables)
07:52 wizzyrea     more locally produced food (< 300km-ish)
07:51 wizzyrea     less stuff.
07:51 wizzyrea     no cars, more walking, less trash, more recycling
07:51 magnuse      how is your nz carbon fottprint smaller than your us one, wizzyrea?
07:50 magnuse      hehe
07:49 wizzyrea     of course that was probably offset by the plane ride I took to get here in the first place.
07:49 magnuse      wizzyrea: that sure sounds like  scientific explanation!
07:49 wizzyrea     </nonsense>
07:48 wizzyrea     oh I know what the problem is - moving to NZ drastically reduced my carbon footprint, so my lack of CO2 output is totally throwing off the global climate. That must be it.
07:48 * magnuse    was hoping to find spring on the shores of the mediteranean
07:48 reiveune     hello
07:48 * magnuse    has plenty of snow now
07:48 wizzyrea     or less of it.
07:47 wizzyrea     what do you need snow?
07:46 magnuse      yay!
07:46 sophie_m     but it should be better this WE magnuse
07:46 * magnuse    makes a note of bringing his skis to the hackfest
07:46 wahanui      privet, alex_a
07:46 alex_a       bonjour
07:46 sophie_m     yep, as you say ;-)
07:45 magnuse      gah!
07:45 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 2.0°C (8:30 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
07:45 magnuse      @wunder marseille
07:45 magnuse      bonjour sophie_m
07:43 magnuse      maybe you could spend a summer holiday here in norway some time? ;-)
07:43 drojf        woah a huge piece of ice just fell from the roof and passed my window. yay sunshine
07:43 magnuse      ooh, even more spooky
07:40 wizzyrea     and massive snow storms in kansas.
07:39 wizzyrea     ikr.
07:39 magnuse      so wizzyrea moves to nz and immediately there is a drought?
07:39 drojf        :)
07:39 magnuse      eeeek
07:39 drojf        mass hysteria
07:38 magnuse      or we are all crazy...
07:38 drojf        so i am not crazy, i thought that too
07:37 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot voting
07:37 wizzyrea     forget the voting
07:37 wahanui      magnuse: I forgot meeting
07:37 magnuse      wahanui: forget the meeting
07:37 magnuse      ah, not just me being confused then ;-)
07:36 wahanui      the voting is broken https://landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla_l10n/page.cgi?id=release-notes.html#v40_feat_vot_ext
07:36 rangi        the voting
07:36 wahanui      the meeting is at 6, so I need to leave in about two and a half hours.
07:36 wizzyrea     what the meeting?
07:35 rangi        i thought it was this morning too magnuse
07:35 wizzyrea     mornin
07:33 drojf        good morning
07:16 magnuse      wow, i sure got the voting thing wrong...
07:16 * magnuse    waves
05:20 cait         morning
04:12 * wajasu     leaves
04:12 * jcamins    leaves.
04:11 jcamins      Yes.
04:11 wajasu       does that add course reserves need more signoff?
03:03 wizzyrea     :D
03:00 trea         ha
02:59 BobB         :0
02:59 BobB         how'd you get that photo of our sys admin?
02:59 BobB         wizzyrea lol
02:47 wizzyrea     the most common incoming request is <reply> http://i.imgur.com/ldAL5.gif
02:45 wizzyrea     using git instead of packages for production is <reply> http://media.tumblr.com/2f97c667249a55cd90116bfa73b60d3d/tumblr_inline_misskuTgjp1qz4rgp.gif
02:42 wizzyrea     yep.
02:42 wahanui      http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release
02:42 wizzyrea     new release?
02:42 wizzyrea     new release is <reply> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release
02:42 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot new release
02:42 wizzyrea     forget new release
02:42 wahanui      it has been said that new release is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release
02:42 wizzyrea     new release?
02:42 wizzyrea     new release is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release
02:41 wahanui      bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too.
02:41 wizzyrea     bugs?
02:41 wahanui      okay, wizzyrea.
02:41 wizzyrea     bugs is also http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release
02:40 * wizzyrea   sighs
02:40 wizzyrea     hm, i'd still probably go with packages for production and use git for your development box >.>
02:40 FCCAP        thank you all again for the advice and guidance, I look forward to our next meeting.
02:40 FCCAP        oh yea GIT, would be my install method
02:40 wizzyrea     hehe
02:39 FCCAP        well this church has an average age of like 65+ so slower might be better, we are in central florida, so it's mainly comprised of Snow Birdds
02:39 wizzyrea     much easier than a tarball
02:39 wizzyrea     also, I'd go with the packages for your install
02:39 wizzyrea     *nod*
02:39 FCCAP        ok I'll give it a shot with the 512, and then in 2 weeks I'll be getting the rest of my gear down here (just moved 16 hours away), and I'll have plenty of memory to upgrade if needed
02:39 wizzyrea     tight and/or slower than you might like.
02:38 wizzyrea     might be tight though.
02:38 FCCAP        yea I'm not real big on live cds unless it's just something to run as a temp thing, maybe a demo or something
02:38 wizzyrea     you know, for the size you've got, probably 1 gig would be better, but it should work on 512.
02:37 FCCAP        I didn't really find any specs listed, is there a min or recommended mem requirement?  The current system is an Athlon 2000+ with 512, I know that will support debian, but what about the ILS?
02:37 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot live cd
02:37 wizzyrea     forget live cd
02:37 wizzyrea     erm, not helpful wahanui.
02:37 wahanui      live cd is not always recommendable or available on sourceforge can i use it?
02:37 wizzyrea     live cd?
02:37 wizzyrea     good luck :)
02:37 FCCAP        excellent, I like the compatibility....thank you all kindly.  If I can convince the Church to go with this, I'll get it all setup, and then I look forward to being an active member of the community to help out others as well.  You all are def of the kind IRC folk.  I need to get my proposal written up for them now.
02:35 wizzyrea     nope, if you can scan into a text box, it will work with koha
02:34 kathryn      :) it's not a sign that I've finished...
02:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Patrons search improvements
02:34 FCCAP        one more quick question, are there any issues with basic automatic bar code scanners that I should be on the lookout for?  I have to admit, my experience in ILS has been 4 years with Polaris ILS in a Public Library and Evergreen ILS as IT Admin
02:34 wizzyrea     bug 9811
02:34 wizzyrea     wb kathryn
02:33 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6739 major, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , expired patrons not blocked from opac actions
02:33 wizzyrea     bug 6739
02:33 FCCAP        ok so that does answer that then, it's not something that would be strictly a web based with a mysql database access that I could configure that way.
02:33 wizzyrea     anything feature-y
02:32 wajasu       if there was a bug you really need signed off by friday, tell me.  i think i am up for 1 or two.
02:32 jcamins      You don't necessarily need root access, but you do need the ability to run non-PHP/Perl/whatever software.
02:32 wizzyrea     have you looked at the demos at all?
02:32 FCCAP        well, the system that is there would most likely handle it, the only concern I have is the memory, it's currently only got 512MB ram, but a potentially bigger concern would be that the librarian is somewhere nearing her 70's and I'm not sure introducing her to linux (even for browsing would be something that would be feasible)
02:31 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Improvement on text wrapping algorithm needed
02:31 wajasu       bug 2499
02:30 wajasu       whoops
02:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2249 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED REMIND, Error in barcodesGenerator.pl
02:30 wajasu       i did fix bug 2249, but its not really a priority.
02:30 wizzyrea     150 books is eensy
02:30 wizzyrea     for that it would take really very extremely modest hardware
02:30 FCCAP        I host my site on the same hoster system so I thought about looking into it tonight to see if it would be something I could setup as a test, but I thought I would check with the experts before I go thru the steps
02:30 wizzyrea     probably not possible :( but - you might consider one of the live cd's
02:29 FCCAP        I like the friendly type, it's right up my ally.
02:29 jcamins      Probably not possible.
02:29 FCCAP        I'm looking at setting this up for a church, my question is this, they have a paid linux based webhoster, would it be possible to run this on that, or is it an application that requires an nix executable to be run on server.  I only ask because the church is very small (prob 150 books) and not a lot of a funds for a dedicated computer.
02:28 wizzyrea     FCCAP: we're the friendly sort of IRC
02:28 jcamins      wajasu: and that's even easier. :)
02:28 wizzyrea     works if you only have one branch. :P
02:28 wajasu       i'll just have them clear the branchemail and   type it in iterally inthe notice.  and let overduenotice pick up the KohaAdminEmailAddress.
02:27 FCCAP        lol, can do, each IRC is a bit different on protocol is all...
02:27 wizzyrea     sure.
02:27 wahanui      Don't ask to ask, just ask.
02:27 jcamins      ask?
02:27 jcamins      And if you want it in in 3.12, the patch needs to be submitted by the end of the day Friday.
02:27 * wizzyrea   looks around
02:27 FCCAP        hello all, is there anyone around who might be able to answer a quick question?
02:27 jcamins      It's just that's not how the feature has been supposed to work.
02:27 wizzyrea     yep, if you want your particular 123 addressed, you'd better be prepared to send a patch :)
02:27 wajasu       yeah.
02:26 jcamins      A patch could make that work easily enough.
02:25 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
02:25 wahanui      http://xkcd.com/1172/
02:25 wizzyrea     @quote get 123
02:25 wajasu       since the branchemail is taken and my librarian wants emails sent with the   "The Library" showing, AND would want the  thelibrary@thehost.org  showing too, i am stuck.
02:24 jcamins      That'd be pretty cool, but it definitely is a space for e-mail address.
02:24 jcamins      It's not supposed to work.
02:24 wizzyrea     i'm actually not surprised that it doesn't work.
02:23 wizzyrea     the first I know of, anyway
02:23 wajasu       :)
02:22 wizzyrea     I think you're the first.
02:22 wizzyrea     I have never known anyone to put in anything other than a bare email address in KohaAdminEmailAddress
02:22 wajasu       another issue is I noticed my template contains the branchemail.  and since I put  "The Library" <thelibarary@thehost.org>    the template substitution gobbled up the part in <>
02:21 wizzyrea     phew, I was confused there for a minute :)
02:21 wajasu       yeah.
02:21 wahanui      i think 3.10.2 is released on the same date right?
02:21 wizzyrea     3.10.2?
02:21 wajasu       yes
02:20 wizzyrea     10.2?
02:20 wajasu       one issue is the web page doesn't seem to handle   double quotes for the KohaadminEmailAddress
02:19 wajasu       so i looked at overdue notices.pl and see branchemail and i have that filled in as thelibrary@thehost.org  so that is being used instead.
02:18 wajasu       but my mails have  thelibrary@thehost.org
02:18 wajasu       whilst setting up overdue notices (koha v10.2) i historically have "The Library" <thelibrary@thehost.org> in KohaAdminEmailAddress  and that works.
01:40 drojf        yay \o/
01:40 druthb       okie dokie. :)
01:40 drojf        druthb: in case you are getting a key to use google translate with pootle, could you get the key for apertium too please?
01:37 druthb       aw, nuts.  http://googlereader.blogspot.com/2013/03/powering-down-google-reader.html
00:27 wizzyrea     yuss.
00:27 wahanui      http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif
00:27 wizzyrea     get the popcorn
00:27 wizzyrea     get the popcorn is <reply> http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif