Time Nick Message 23:18 jcamins So the current script in the release-tools repo exactly matches what I use. 23:17 jcamins (where "it" = the fact that the webinstaller doesn't work) 23:17 jcamins Okay, updated release-tool.pl so it won't break the release process. 23:14 jcamins I tried to troubleshoot it. 23:14 jcamins Oh well. 23:11 jcamins Of course not. 23:10 rangi we wouldnt have tested that with the screen reader 23:10 rangi ahh 23:10 jcamins So assuming my understanding of what this script does is correct, the problem is probably specific to the installer. 23:09 cjh I have some notes from the session about problems encountered, I can double check that there wasn't anything about the login form. 23:09 cjh he tabs through the elements of the form. 23:09 cjh yes, and login. 23:08 jcamins cjh: but that means he was able to locate the button. 23:08 cjh IIRC when Julius was using forms he would always step through the elements, eventually on to the button, and then press the enter key (rather than pressing from within the input elements) 23:08 eythian jcamins: we all are the folks at catalyst :) 23:07 jcamins I don't think the button is even showing up! 23:07 jcamins Actually... 23:07 jcamins Yeah, based on how completely the submit button fails to do anything I am thinking it would be a problem for screen readers. 23:06 wizzyrea yea I didn't observe julius having trouble with it 23:04 jcamins I would think not, because folks at Catalyst were testing the interface with a screen reader, and if the screen reader correctly interprets the regular login button, it must not be an issue. 23:03 jcamins I have an empty database that I can't populate because the script won't submit. 23:02 jcamins rangi: I don't know, I haven't tried. 23:02 eythian that does sound like a bad thing 23:02 rangi cos if so thats a major bug 23:02 rangi opac side too? 23:02 * jcamins will add a warning to his release script to note that installation cannot be tested on recent versions of Koha. 23:00 jcamins Oh well. 23:00 jcamins Seems like a pretty major accessibility issue. 23:00 wizzyrea maybe? not like that would matter. 22:59 wizzyrea or to check for double submits? 22:58 jcamins I guess maybe we use javascript to submit the form when the button is clicked? 22:58 jcamins As of 3.10.0+, the submit button does not submit the form. 22:58 eythian howso? 22:57 jcamins So it looks like it is no longer possible to automate logging into Koha. 22:57 jcamins Hm. 22:55 wahanui OK, eythian. 22:55 eythian wahanui: catalyst migration toolbox is at https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox 22:50 wizzyrea later magnuse 22:48 magnuse g'night/day #koha! 22:43 magnuse :-( 22:39 jcamins I think my automatic installer is broken at the moment. 22:39 jcamins magnuse: yeah. 22:39 magnuse jcamins: good to get some practice, then? ;-) 22:38 magnuse for me, the spell checker in ff used to not recognize the norwegian word for "some" - totally weird! 22:37 jcamins I haven't built a full release in a while. 22:37 wizzyrea there that's better. 22:37 * wizzyrea adds it to the dictionary 22:36 wizzyrea movie 22:36 wizzyrea bizarre 22:36 eythian yeah 22:36 jcamins Movie? 22:36 eythian I think that wherever the standard dictionaries are sourced from, they don't include that word 22:35 wizzyrea wtf. 22:35 eythian I've noticed that before too 22:35 eythian it does that 22:35 wizzyrea my computer just tried to spellcheck me on it!? 22:35 magnuse wizzyrea: not sure i want to know ;-) 22:34 wizzyrea why does the word movie look weird to me. 22:34 magnuse wizzyrea: ;-) 22:33 wizzyrea yes, actually he is. Across the room, really. But I meant the guy who does the voice overs for movie trailers. 22:33 magnuse jcamins: ah, cool 22:33 cait bye all and cya tomorrow! 22:32 cjh heh 22:32 cait :) 22:32 cait magnuse: it's late for you too btw 22:32 cait ok - going to bed :) 22:32 jcamins magnuse: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=get_bugs.pl;h=8d432f2af381ae2373a8bb7df016e66ac0e6a825;hb=HEAD 22:32 cait :) 22:32 magnuse wizzyrea: is he actualy sitting next to you too? ;-) 22:31 * jcamins builds an entire release since he cleaned out all the stale release directories a few days ago. 22:31 magnuse jcamins: which script would that be? 22:30 * wizzyrea totally heard the guy in her mind 22:30 wizzyrea *snicker* 22:30 trea IN A WORLD.... 22:30 trea doesn't it 22:30 wizzyrea splinter review sounds like a spy movie 22:29 cait is fun 22:29 cait splinter review 22:29 cait rangi++ 22:29 cait rangi 22:29 magnuse lol 22:28 jcamins I'll just use the release notes script. 22:28 jcamins You could even do it, as practice for when you're RM for 3.16. :) 22:24 magnuse yay 22:24 jcamins It's not. 22:24 magnuse if it's not too much work 22:24 jcamins Sure. 22:24 magnuse that would be super cool 22:24 magnuse oh btw jcamins, i meant to ask you: could you run some magic rm script to generate a list of bugs that have been pushed to master during your reign, as a reminder of things we might want to test during the hackfest, and maybe point out any you feel deserve extra attention? 22:23 wizzyrea oh yea, jcamins++ 22:23 magnuse jcamins++ bigtime! 22:22 * jcamins did it, but we're trying to get consensus on the Evergreen side about what they want to go into master, and then I'll update the code to that before publishing version 0.1. 22:22 magnuse anyone working on that? 22:22 magnuse yay 22:21 jcamins magnuse: once it's split into a separate CPAN module, easy. 22:21 magnuse ah, yeah, that will make sharing easier! 22:21 magnuse how easy will it be to share future enhencements? 22:21 jcamins It'll be even cooler when QueryParser is split out into a separate CPAN module. 22:21 wizzyrea hence the confetti :) 22:21 magnuse yeah, that is cool! 22:20 cjh oh awesome, Koha and Evergreen sharing! 22:20 magnuse yay! ;-) 22:20 jcamins Chances are good. 22:20 jcamins Hehe. 22:20 wizzyrea :) 22:20 wizzyrea HAHA oy. 22:20 magnuse now comes the tricky bit - will jcamins push it? 22:19 magnuse woohoo 22:19 wizzyrea confetti 22:19 wizzyrea \o/ 22:18 wizzyrea '`'`'`'`'`'` 22:18 wizzyrea \o/ 22:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries 22:17 rangi yay bug 9239 passed qa 22:16 magnuse yay! 22:15 cait and used it 22:15 cait now i see it :) 22:14 magnuse yeah shift-refresh did it for me 22:14 rangi try a shift-refresh just to make sure 22:14 * magnuse sees it now 22:14 rangi at the bottom after resolved 22:14 * rangi does 22:14 * magnuse does not see it 22:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Don't let un-holdable records prevent holdable records from being held in Intranet for multi-holds 22:14 cait do you see it on bug 9336? 22:13 cait I did 22:12 wizzyrea refresh? 22:12 cait but don't see the statusas an option there 22:12 cait it's 9336 sorry 22:12 cait oh uch 22:12 cait 7703 22:11 cait th patch I am looking at is signed off 22:11 cait don#t see it 22:11 cait hm 22:11 rangi yep 22:11 cait rangi: did you already do it? 22:10 cait let's try that 22:10 cait +1 from me 22:09 rangi hows that? 22:08 magnuse +1 22:07 jcamins Sounds good to me. 22:07 rangi i can make a BLOCKED status 22:04 cait it depens on a bug that has failed qa 22:04 cait looking at 7703 right now, which is the oldest bug in the signed off queue 22:04 jcamins cait: that's a good idea. 22:03 cait Is there a status we coudl use for bugs that are blocked by another? 22:03 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8429468/Entire-North-Island-drought-declared <-- it is officially too dry here. 22:00 huginn indranil: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 25.0°C (3:20 AM IST on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). 22:00 indranil @wunder kolkata 21:57 wahanui it has been said that logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 21:57 wizzyrea logs? 21:57 wizzyrea logs 21:50 jcamins Hehe. 21:50 cait just remember to send that big bribe of fudge we agreed on ;) 21:50 cait lol 21:50 jcamins I was just tap dancing on the ceiling, to the irritation of our upstairs neighbors. 21:50 cait lol ok 21:49 jcamins cait: it's a very dramatic happy dance. 21:49 cait that's all? :) 21:46 * jcamins does a happy dance. 21:43 cait eythian: it will warm up soon! 21:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries 21:42 * cait passes qa on bug 9239 21:35 wahanui schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 21:35 trea schema? 21:35 eythian that's cold, I don't want to go to cold :) 21:34 huginn cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (10:00 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). 21:34 cait @wunder Marseille 21:34 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -3.1°C (10:30 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 21:34 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:32 cait heh 21:32 cait again! ? :) 21:32 eythian and we still win :) 21:32 eythian cait: already have! 21:31 cait germany and switzerland rank high too - I guess YOU shoudl come visit :) 21:30 wizzyrea clouds are pretty today. 21:30 wizzyrea supposed to start in the afternoon though I guess 21:28 eythian heh 21:28 eythian http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/14/travel/friendly-countries/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 <-- you people should visit us. 21:28 wizzyrea not that it requires much prodding to not do it, but I haven't even been doing laundry. 21:28 wizzyrea oops. 21:28 eythian which is annoying, as I have to spend most of Sunday standing outside :) 21:27 wizzyrea supposed to rain sunday-tuesday 21:27 wizzyrea sunday. Sunday. 21:27 eythian hmm, well over a month of no rain now. 21:26 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 21:26 eythian @wunder nzwn 21:26 cait hi eythian :) 21:23 eythian hi 21:16 * cait waves at dpavlin 20:45 samuel good evening for me too :-) 20:44 cait yep 20:44 cjh cait: good.. evening I guess for you 20:43 cait hi samuel and cjh 20:43 cjh samuel: good morning :) 20:42 samuel hi everybody 20:32 jcamins You could have a bash alias that set it up, but that'd be yet another thing to try and remember. 20:32 * wizzyrea doesn't much mind a little nuisance. 20:32 jcamins You. 20:31 wizzyrea to me or to anyone else? 20:31 jcamins wizzyrea: you could, it'd just be a nuisance. 20:31 wizzyrea naw, I should set my hope laptop up differently. But I don't see why you couldn't 20:27 jcamins wizzyrea: you switch e-mails back and forth on a single repo? 20:27 tcohen bye #koha 20:12 wizzyrea hehe 20:12 drojf for making fun of wizzyrea? i can do that more often if it leads to karma 20:11 cait drojf++ 20:10 drojf hi thewizzyreaformerlyknownasguest 20:10 * wizzyrea waves again 20:10 drojf hi Guest1795 20:09 Guest1795 hi peeps 20:06 drojf yay 20:04 cait hah! 20:04 trea huzzah 20:03 * cait puts cookies in #koha to stop the quiet 19:11 drojf migration to a new desk? 19:10 * jcamins pounds his head on the desk. 19:10 jcamins We decided a migration is in our near future. 19:10 jcamins drojf: funny you should mention that. 19:09 drojf kill it with fire? 19:06 jcamins ms_access-- 19:06 jcamins AAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!! 19:03 tcohen was looking for nozebra / stopwords related bugs 19:02 tcohen oh, that, thanks 19:02 jcamins tcohen: bug wrangling! 19:02 tcohen ? 19:02 jcamins tcohen++ 18:48 tcohen thanks rangi, and good morning! 18:48 cait good morning rangi 18:47 cait ^^ 18:47 rangi tcohen: check if it is still is a bug on master, if not, mark resolved fixed and say 'it works in master' 18:47 cait they go wontfix I would think 18:47 tcohen what happens to bugs opened for unmaintained releases like 3.2? 18:23 tcohen heh 18:22 drojf that poor nozebra. no place amongst the zebras, no place in koha 18:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed 18:21 tcohen can anyone that hates NoZebra enough sign on bug 7440? I'm about to post a follow-up for updatedatabase.pl 18:21 drojf :( 18:20 jcamins Confirmed. 18:16 jcamins It looks like it exported only a small portion of my data. 18:16 jcamins ms_access-- 18:15 jcamins drojf: hehe. 18:14 * drojf excitedly watches the jqueryparser race in his bugzilla inbox 18:12 magnuse it was, and it was nice 18:10 drojf well, maybe it was fried already 18:10 drojf <!++<! # fish to fry 18:10 magnuse oops :-) 18:09 magnuse 621509 18:09 magnuse :-) 18:09 drojf <!++ 18:09 drojf poor <! 18:09 drojf hehe 18:09 huginn magnuse: Karma for "<!" has been increased 9 times and decreased 125 times for a total karma of -116. 18:09 magnuse @karma <! 18:08 oleonard Do not mock the power of the -- ! 18:07 drojf i think i did it with him once as a joke and immediately increased it again but he was not amused 18:06 cait why did he decrease you? 18:03 drojf hehe 18:02 tcohen if the world is free and open, why do we need windows and gates? (old joke) 18:01 drojf i think all decreases were done by mtompset ^^ 18:01 drojf w00t 18:01 huginn cait: Karma for "drojf" has been increased 74 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 71. 18:01 cait @karma drojf 18:01 cait logs? :) 18:00 cait heh 17:59 drojf is there karma-blame? :) 17:59 drojf i bet the increase was for real windows in a building 17:58 huginn drojf: Karma for "windows" has been increased 1 time and decreased 26 times for a total karma of -25. 17:58 drojf @karma windows 17:58 drojf windows-- 17:55 jcamins windows-- 17:52 drojf jcamins: it is, to make sure they never want to learn any other computer things after that 17:48 jcamins Is this _really_ the program used by non-computer literate people for word processing? 17:46 jcamins I figured out how to do it. 17:45 jcamins I would like to indent the first line of all paragraphs. 17:44 jcamins And while I'm at it, ms_word-- 17:43 jcamins Step 1: globally remove tabs, which were used for all layout. 17:41 jcamins Right now I'm fixing a report that it spat out. 17:41 jcamins Lucky you. 17:41 oleonard Wow, it's been a while since I had to say that, thankfully 17:41 jcamins ms_access-- 17:33 bgkriegel with a bit of luck :) 17:32 tcohen u r welcome, we are pleased @ koha-es to see your work get into master soon 17:31 bgkriegel hi wahanui 17:31 bgkriegel thanks for the sign 17:31 wahanui hello, bgkriegel 17:31 bgkriegel hi 17:31 tcohen hi bgkriegel 17:24 ambz alright. thanks. 17:21 oleonard Not that I know of, but browse around the wiki 17:19 ambz is there a wiki or docs or anything to orient a new developer to the codebase? 17:18 ambz cool 17:15 oleonard Also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Guidelines_for_Patch_Acceptance/Rejection 17:15 oleonard No idea :) But if you want to start working on a contribution to Koha, this is required reading: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 17:14 ambz Does this idea seem feasible? 17:13 ambz I don't even need an API key to query the xisbn service :) 17:11 ambz I have to convert that JSON response to MARC... well as much as possible. 17:10 ambz Example: http://xisbn.worldcat.org/webservices/xid/isbn/9780071289597?method=getMetadata&fl=*&format=json 17:09 ambz Yes, you have to. But they offer an ISBN lookup for free. 17:09 ambz Of course, if the ISBN lookup fails, I have to fall back to z39.50 (which isn't likely to work since there aren't any good z39.50 servers in India) and then I fall back to creating a MARC record from scratch... does this sound right? 17:08 oleonard I thought you had to pay to get MARC records from OCLC 17:06 ambz So I want an ISBN --> MARC import utility 17:06 ambz Then if a user selects a particular record from the results, I want to convert that into MARC and put that into the catalog 17:05 ambz well, for cataloging, i want to be able to query oclc xisbn (the free oclc service) and display those results to the user 17:03 oleonard What are you wanting to customize ambz ? 17:00 ambz oh sorry, that includes lines of code in non pl files too 16:58 ambz i never imagined that the koha codebase would be so huge 16:58 ambz 8-) 16:58 ambz wow, the git stats indicate almost 8 million lines of perl code 16:56 ambz hi tcohen 16:56 wahanui oleonard: I forgot anyone here 16:56 oleonard wahanui: forget anyone here 16:56 tcohen hi ambz 16:56 wahanui anyone here is probably familiarized with the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script? 16:56 ambz anyone here? 16:49 ambz i couldn't find one so far 16:49 ambz i am planning to write a minor extension to customize koha for my needs... i was wondering if there are any documents or design doc or something like a code overview or walkthrough... 16:48 ambz greetings to all 16:43 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 16:43 cait @later tell jcamins take a look at the testing summary 16:42 cait QueryParser.t failed 16:42 cait jcamins: you won't like this 16:42 cait argh 16:37 cait hm into 16:37 cait and you wanted to go to the city. 16:36 cait nah, if it's good enough for the rm 16:36 cait ah 16:36 jcamins You can do something with tildes. 16:36 jcamins That's not the correct way, it's just how I do it. 16:36 jcamins cait: I use git bz attach HEAD^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ... git bz attach HEAD 16:36 * jcamins heads into the city. 16:35 cait 15 patches.... 16:35 cait so how does git bz attach a range ? 16:35 cait hm 16:22 cait :) 16:21 slef mjkaye helped me find it :) 16:20 slef ah found it, it's moved to the History menu 16:19 slef iceweasel is pretty much firefox without the non-free bits 16:15 cait not using iceweasel sorry 16:13 slef the iceweasel Tools menu entry that let me log out of http auth has gone since I last used it - anyone know where? 16:11 magnuse cait: see ya! :-) 16:09 drojf :) 16:09 cait have fun too! 16:09 cait :) 16:09 * drojf goes for a walk to sort out all these crazy ideas 16:07 reiveune bye 16:05 cait and see ya monday! (love saying that) 16:05 cait have fun :) 16:05 cait yum 16:05 * magnuse has some other fish to fry, in the kitchen 16:05 jcamins Sorry! 16:05 jcamins I must've squashed it out. 16:05 jcamins I already fixed that one. 16:05 cait loking for th erecord now 16:05 cait some shiny new error - you know you want to fix it! 16:05 magnuse have fun Viktor! 16:04 cait yep 16:04 jcamins cait: and failed? :( 16:04 cait hm jcamins: we got to 11600 this time 16:04 Viktor Have to run! Thanks for the help! 16:04 Viktor cait indeed 16:04 cait feel free to give the bug a test run - I am testing right now, but the more we test the better :) 16:04 Viktor fait indeed! 16:04 wahanui search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 16:04 magnuse search rewrite? 16:04 cait it is to like :) 16:04 Viktor jcamins: I like it! 16:03 jcamins But it'll be easy to change them, unlike the way it is now. 16:03 jcamins Viktor: that is, all the existing index names will remain the same. 16:03 jcamins Well, sort of. 16:03 jcamins Viktor: no. 16:03 cait lol 16:03 Viktor jcamins: Sound good! Will the indexes also be affected - stuff like "ti:queen" ? 16:03 jcamins Just attach all the parts to the patron, and next time they come in, they'll still be together. 16:03 cait I can see that course you take is having some effect :) 16:03 magnuse hellz yez! 16:02 jcamins Or a staple gun. 16:02 cait heh 16:02 magnuse cait: plent of duct tape is the best way to deal with that! 16:02 slef cait: oh yeah, staff note is all you could do when we were doing it. 16:02 jcamins or/and/not/etc. 16:02 jcamins Viktor: though a follow-up will make it possible to change the operators to whatever you want. 16:01 cait slef: but the worst is probably dealing with multipart stuff 16:01 Viktor jcamins: ok. 16:01 jcamins Viktor: yes. 16:01 cait then write the barcode to the tag... etc. 16:01 slef the RFID stuff did have a release, actually. 16:01 cait that would be the most needed part I think 16:01 Viktor jcamins : Will the new parser mean that CCL is replaced as syntax for searches? Yay for fixing broken parsing! 16:01 magnuse tcohen is planning to remove new zealand?!? 16:01 cait yep 16:01 jcamins Eww. That sounds unpleasant. 16:01 slef cait: yeah like block/unblock security 16:00 tcohen how should I handle 1) table deletion 2) sysprefs deletion for the nz removal? 16:00 cait jcamins: rfid devices at the circ desk and telling them to what to do with the tags 16:00 slef jcamins: if it's all speaking SIP or similar, no worries. 16:00 cait jcamins: there is such a think as "full integration"... but it's noa fun thing to do 16:00 oleonard Thanks :) 15:59 chris_n oleonard: petition granted 15:59 jcamins Viktor: "or" has unusual precedence, so sometimes all it does is mess up truncation. 15:59 slef jcamins: it depends if the staff systems need to drive the tagging hardware themselves. 15:59 slef I've code for 3.0 or 3.2 for both of those, unpublishably tainted and no money to purge it. 15:59 jcamins RFID shouldn't have much to do with Koha. 15:58 magnuse sep? 15:58 wahanui i think RFID is all sep, what makes it hard is when the rfid system does retarded things that mean you need to decode the results 15:58 jcamins RFID? 15:58 slef RFID being the other one 15:58 slef EDIFACT... one of two topics that make my heart sink 15:57 cait jcamins: hm might think about EDIFACT? 15:57 Viktor jcamins : I see! We found that it seems like or is interpreted as "stuff I need to truncate search for" sometimes. 15:57 jcamins slef: no, but I think ByWater had a PR about it? 15:57 cait and we are getting really close now :) 15:57 slef jcamins: PTFS-Europe haven't been in touch with you about their inter-library loans thing, have they? 15:57 jcamins :) 15:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries 15:56 jcamins bug 9239 starts fixing it. 15:56 jcamins And, yeah, it's annoying. 15:56 jcamins Viktor: "or" doesn't actually work entirely, just as a head's up. 15:56 drojf :D 15:56 drojf as a linguist, i should not be saying that 15:56 Viktor A highlighting/indexing question - I've noticed when trying boolean operators that using 'or' works well but that Koha highlights the 'or' in the results. 15:56 drojf slef: everyone is a linguist :) 15:55 slef drojf: what part of me looks like a linguist? 15:55 cait hi Viktor :) 15:55 drojf slef: DIY 15:55 slef I like it but its coverage is sadly patchy. 15:55 drojf since i looked at it yesternight :D 15:54 drojf foss translation tool. that might suddenly find its way into my thesis 15:54 slef apertium++ 15:54 jcamins drojf: apertium? 15:54 drojf Viktor: cool :) 15:54 Viktor Hi cait 15:54 drojf magnuse: yes. but screw google. there is also apertium support 15:54 Viktor drojf: I'll look into it! 15:54 jcamins magnuse: he was. 15:54 magnuse was someone (rangi?) talking about pootle talking to google translate the other day, or did i dream it? 15:54 Viktor drojf: Cleaning those up would be great, but "suggested translation" being generated would be even better. 15:53 cait hmpf back 15:53 Viktor drojf: Interesting thought. I've noticed there is a lot a "script leftovers" in the .po files. 15:53 drojf Viktor: and if you would have a company that does one for your translation, i would already have one non-english version to play with ;) 15:52 tcohen c'mon 15:52 jcamins :P 15:52 jcamins "annoyance" 15:52 jcamins "nuisance" 15:52 drojf Viktor: yeah i am beginning to think about a machine translation support thing with a librarianese dictionary 15:52 jcamins tcohen: "problem" 15:52 Viktor magnuse: Nozebra. Aha - understand. 15:51 tcohen #koha, can you mention words that recall nozebra for you? 15:51 drojf Viktor: i suppose they will do something like that anyway to stay consistent, maybe you could ask to get it if it is possible (and does not add any cost)? 15:51 Viktor drojf: But it sounds like a interesting idea. I guess you could pick apart the translation with some script magic and build your own dictionary(?) I don't know how complex it is to parse the .po files though. But it seems like a quite basic file format. 15:50 Viktor drojf : Only translated files as we planned it. 15:50 smeagol Hi..would anyone know why I'm getting this message on my SIP server? "Use of inherited AUTOLOAD for non-method ILS::Transaction::Checkin::dt_from_string() is deprecated at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/Checkin.pm line 57." It was working the other day.. 15:50 magnuse Viktor: ah 15:49 Viktor magnuse: I have the company standy to start it. The funds that we recently got were for customizations, Pubsubhubbub, communication about the project, evaluation of the project and salaries for the people working with the project. 15:49 magnuse yeah, any stopwords related stuff is a leftover from NoZebra, i think? 15:49 tcohen git rm koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/admin/stopwords.tt 15:48 magnuse Viktor: ah, i thought that was already in progress... 15:48 drojf Viktor: in the end, will there be the translated files, or will there also be some kind of swedish_librarianese dictionary, glossary or whatever? 15:48 Viktor drojf : Correct! We updated opac sv just recently. Are waiting for the funds to translate the staff interface. Should be here any day now, 15:47 magnuse yeah, forget stopwords :-) 15:47 jcamins Viktor: no, because stopwords do not work at all. 15:47 drojf Viktor: you are doing the swedish translation with professional translators, right? 15:46 Viktor jcamins tcohen : Is it possible to add your own stop word list as a librarian? 15:46 * jcamins hums "A new Argentina, the voice of the Perl is heard..." 15:46 Viktor magnuse jcamins: Good news! :) 15:45 jcamins tcohen: yes they are. 15:45 tcohen are stopwords from the NZ world? 15:45 magnuse perlpower to the people! 15:45 magnuse yeah, sure! 15:45 jcamins However, we're all for people learning Perl. :) 15:45 jcamins Lots and lots and lots. 15:44 magnuse Viktor: and you don't have to learn Perl - there is plenty to do with templates, js, sample data, xslt etc etc 15:44 jcamins tcohen: out of date, I think. 15:44 Viktor drojf :) 15:43 Viktor drojf - Yes it would! Learning Perl would be great even if only to be able to understand more of what's going on. 15:43 drojf but it would be cool! 15:43 drojf kidding, we don't ask anything 15:43 drojf Viktor: that's all we ask ;) 15:42 Viktor drojf : I could title myself dev if we talk about HTML/CSS/Javascript and some Python/PHP/ASP. But it's been a while. And Koha-dev is still a long way to go. But I do want to learn. 15:41 magnuse Viktor: cool. and it will be easier now than it was then :-) 15:41 Viktor magnuse Yep - I did run it in VirtualBox. Will have to reinstall on the new computer. 15:40 smeagol Hi..would anyone know why I'm getting this message on my SIP server? "Use of inherited AUTOLOAD for non-method ILS::Transaction::Checkin::dt_from_string() is deprecated at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/Checkin.pm line 57." 15:40 magnuse Viktor: probably in a vm, unlesss you run debian/ubuntu (i seem to recall you wrote about running koha in a vm in the "is it good enough" report... and with the packages it has become a lot easier) 15:40 drojf Viktor++ # soon-to-be developer :) 15:38 tcohen INSTALL.fedora7 jcamins? 15:38 magnuse the first thing to do for both signoff and writing patches is to get a dev-install up and running 15:38 Viktor magnuse :) 15:38 magnuse Viktor: that's why we are here :-) 15:37 Viktor LOL _button_ 15:37 Viktor I might bug you here about if I'm pushing the right butting if I actually do manage to get over the initial barrier and make a try (there is no try yes I know?) 15:35 jcamins *! 15:35 jcamins Yay Viktor1 15:35 jcamins You can do it! 15:35 Viktor Will look into that - but not promising anything until it's done :) 15:34 magnuse yep! 15:34 jcamins Yes, lots of opportunity for signoffs! 15:34 Viktor jcamins - No. Well - I've had magnuse do the stuff I can't. Which he does very well :) But I'm hoping to get at least a or something in there one day. A bug might be the thing :) 15:34 oleonard And sign-offs, don't forget those! 15:33 jcamins (and you can be a committer for 3.12:) 15:32 jcamins If not, you have two months for fixing a bug. :) 15:32 jcamins Viktor: do you have any patches in Koha yet? 15:32 Viktor But - there is now a blogpost at http://blogg.regionhalland.se/koha/2013/03/14/enable-settings-for-sweden/ about our little chat. Thanks for all the help :) 15:32 magnuse other_stuff_to_do-- ;-) 15:31 Viktor I'm working on cleaning up the text from google translate. But only got like 25% through before having to do other stuff. 15:31 drojf d'oh 15:31 jcamins Hehe. 15:31 Viktor Neither one is legal for people in general to download from. 15:30 Viktor drojf We have two TPB - One from the government with loads of audio-books as mp3 (Daisy). And the other one :) 15:30 drojf »Koppling till MTM (Gamla TPB)«. i thought that meant the pirate bay :/ 15:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7843 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Create RSS for OPAC news 15:28 oleonard Viktor-away: Bug 7843. At least there's a bug for it :) 15:28 jcamins Nope. 15:27 tcohen (is it even maintained?) 15:27 jcamins tcohen: not. 15:27 tcohen how relevant is the file installer/data/Pg/kohastructure.sql ? 15:20 magnuse s/pondering/pondering adding to koha/ 15:20 magnuse if anyone is curious about what sorts of other things Viktor is pondering, i can recommend running this through google translate: http://blogg.regionhalland.se/koha/2013/03/05/var-onskelista-att-gora-att-bygga-och-att-hoppas-pa/ 15:17 magnuse yay! 15:16 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #237 added. 15:16 gmcharlt @quote add <magnuse> lightbugs are probably easier to solve than hardbugs 15:15 magnuse lightbugs are probably easier to solve than hardbugs 15:12 oleonard lightningbugs++ 15:12 gmcharlt lightbulbs++ 15:12 gmcharlt er, NEED MORE COFFEE 15:12 gmcharlt lightbugs++ 15:11 Viktor-away :) :) 15:11 * magnuse shields his eyes from the light coming from the lightbulbs above Viktor's head 15:10 magnuse Viktor++ 15:10 Viktor Going away to blog a bit about our little interaction here :) 15:08 Viktor :D 15:08 magnuse yay! 15:07 drojf :P 15:07 drojf i agree. we saved sweden! 15:07 magnuse Viktor: yeah, in general, i think that is the way to go 15:07 magnuse Viktor: here are the "norwegian settings" that you can choose when you run the web installer for norwegian: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/nb-NO/1-Obligatorisk/system_preferences.sql;h=c60594433a67838a26adb40656c2f07a9db53125;hb=HEAD 15:07 Viktor drojf magnuse : I think you guys just sorted this out. We'll get everything in the main code and add a "enable settings for sweden" choice. 15:06 drojf that would be an installer thing to do after you put all the other stuff in the regular places i think 15:06 Viktor magnuse - Having "settings for sweden" to chose during install would be glorious. 15:06 magnuse yeah, i'd say get it all in there as long as it doesn't trip others up 15:05 drojf not sure what the government stuff is supposed to do :) 15:05 magnuse when you set up the web installer to work for swedish you can have it load "swedish" syspref settings 15:05 drojf Viktor: those are little things in a lot of different places and i think it should just go into main koha, like the other date forms, cover image sources etc 15:05 Viktor magnuse Yep it should translate to that. But it is a bit different from country to country I think. 15:04 Viktor Or could it be done with some sort of "custom settings file" that you could download? 15:04 magnuse person number = social security number, according to google translate 15:03 Viktor magnuse Oh - and that too! 15:03 drojf a koha account for everyone, together with the person number :D 15:03 Viktor jcmins : Stuff like date formats, address formats, cover image vendors, syncing records with our national library, syncing patron addresses with our goverment database. 15:03 drojf THAT would be very swedish 15:03 magnuse are you thinking about the validating swedish "person numbers" thing? 15:02 drojf that ;) 15:02 drojf yes 15:02 drojf Viktor: it is nothing that is inherently swedish 15:02 jcamins What makes them "specifically for Sweden"? 15:02 Viktor It is, in't it? Especially since you have a "patron summary card" up at the left anyway. 15:02 magnuse Viktor: good question. not possible to make them more general? 15:02 magnuse btw, i completely agree that it seems awkward to have the checkouts at the bottom of the patron details page! :-) 15:01 Viktor magnuse drojf But how do you feel about adding sysprefs for adding customizations that are specifically for sweden? 15:01 Viktor :-) Recognize that yes... 15:00 magnuse hehe 15:00 drojf just my experience that a lot of people turn mad if something moves a few pixels away :D 15:00 Viktor magnuse Might side with drojf there. 15:00 drojf (not trying to talk you out of it, i like layout improvements a lot) 15:00 magnuse drojf: sure 14:59 drojf magnuse: true, but that might eventually lead to a lot of sysprefs for moving fields around. 14:59 Viktor drojf - But I still think I'll try to suggest the thing I think more people might benefit from. I'm a little hesitant to do a lot of DOM-modding after a page is loaded. 14:58 magnuse drojf, Viktor: the way to get around that is to regulate the new layout with a syspref... 14:58 Viktor drojf You have a point there. 14:57 Viktor Thanks magnuse - had forgotten about it! 14:57 oleonard Got it Joubu, thanks 14:55 wahanui I haven't seen 'this', magnuse 14:55 magnuse Viktor: seen this? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 14:55 magnuse Viktor: if it's just changing js and html, it should be just a question of changing the templates 14:55 drojf if it is "drastic" layout changes i guess it is nothing that will go into the code because people will say "oh no that thing has always been down there and now it is up there, oh my god why?" 14:54 Viktor Think I'll write RFCs for these things and provide a starting point that people can improve on. I know how to write the code in HTML/CSS, but not what the best way is to make Koha output it :) 14:52 Viktor magnuse: Aha. 14:52 magnuse Viktor: i think with jquery you can fix things without changing code. with bootstrap it would more have to chenge the code 14:51 magnuse nice 14:51 Viktor magnuse: simple enough stuff. Just changing how stuff is displayed - but adds a lot of speed to their workflow. 14:50 Viktor magnuse: Another one is moving the box with a patrons loans, holds etc to the top of the "patron details" page. They need that information all the time and have to scroll to see it. 14:49 Viktor magnuse: The easiest fix they want is a mouseover for the tabs of the search-box with the keyboard shortcuts for that tab. If it's already there we were'nt able to trig that mouseover-event. 14:49 Joubu else the an undefined function is called 14:48 Joubu oleonard: l.30 should be [% IF (dateformat == 'metric' and saved1) %] 14:47 Joubu oleonard: js/datatables.js (which contains the dt_add_type_uk_dates js function) is loaded on condition 14:47 Viktor magnuse : That = using bootstrap to add stuff without having to mod the .pm files 14:47 Joubu oleonard: directly on reports/guided_reports.pl 14:46 magnuse Viktor: "that would enable me" - what do yu mean by "that"? 14:45 magnuse the community generally likes good ideas :-) 14:45 Viktor oleonard magnuse: While also making it possible to integrate it into the main code if the community likes what we come up with? 14:45 oleonard Viktor: If what you're talking about are improvements they should be made to community code 14:44 Viktor oleonard magnuse: So that would enable me to make customizations without changing the community code? 14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9466 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on saved reports page 14:44 oleonard Joubu: I'm confused about which page gave you an error when you tested Bug 9466 14:43 magnuse yeah, that's a really good idea! 14:42 oleonard Viktor: Feel free to file enhancement bugs for things you think would be improvements even if you don't have time now to send fixes 14:41 oleonard http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/javascript.html 14:41 Viktor oleonard: Will look into that - thanks! But as of now I don't even know what it means :) 14:40 oleonard Viktor: Look at the Bootstrap options if you're looking to add tooltips, popovers, etc. 14:40 Viktor magnuse: They actually came up with quite a few ideas on how to streamline the workflow in the staff interface. 14:39 Viktor magnuse: Will shoot for 3.14 then. Sorry I missed the meeting here yesterday. 14:38 magnuse Viktor: that would be cool! but remember that the deadline for new features in 3.12 is tomorrow, while bugs can be fixed for another month or so :-) 14:37 Viktor magnuse phew :) 14:37 Viktor magnuse I would like that, but there's always to much other stuff going on :/ But - the workshop this week gave some good input on ideas that are easy to implement. Like mouseover text that would be helpful. I might be able to make that happen as a start :) 14:36 magnuse Viktor: it's a maori greeting :-) 14:36 jcamins tcohen++ 14:36 tcohen jcamins, I'll remove oldRecord from ModZebra as is only used for NoZebra 14:34 magnuse Viktor: still time to get a signoff or two into 3.12, or even a bugfix :-) 14:34 Viktor (Looking up what I just said :) 14:33 Viktor kia ora magnuse 14:33 * cait likes to tidy up things... but she is a librarian after all 14:33 magnuse kia ora Viktor 14:32 jcamins tcohen: it does indeed. 14:32 tcohen refactoring happens to be boring 14:30 magnuse gotta have a hobby :-) 14:18 gmcharlt to my surprise, I'm inordinately fond of seeking out the "treasures" in comment spam feeds 14:17 Dyrcona gmcharlt: Sounds like something that sloganizer would come up with. 14:15 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 14:15 gmcharlt @later tell bag I found this in my comment spam today, and though you might find this amusing: "bag is sheer novelty, so buy it on pure emotion if it speaks to you." 14:14 tcohen oops :-S 14:14 tcohen (reverse-i-search)`koha-qa.': ~/git/koha-qa-test/koha-qa.pl -c 1 -v 3 14:08 * oleonard petitions chris_n to remove saved/shared Bugzilla searches for 3.2.x and 3.4.x 14:04 jcamins Sounds good. :) 14:03 cait I am going to tackle some smaller things until then and as long as internt connection permits 14:03 cait investiage and letme know 14:03 jcamins And since I copied the definition from Match, that means Match is wrong, and since Match is just another name for Heading... 14:02 jcamins I think Match-heading may be defined wrong. 14:02 cait in which area? 14:02 cait I would not be totaly surprised 14:02 jcamins I have a suspicion that our Zebra config may be wrong, and have always been wrong. 14:01 jcamins I'm checking now. 14:01 cait finding them is good 14:01 cait oh ok 14:01 jcamins cait: I may have found a bug. 14:00 cait jcamins: any news? 13:59 tcohen thanks jcamins for the clarificatio, i'm going to think of some example scenarios to get the whole idea 13:59 cait hmpf 13:58 jcamins Closely related, but when we talk about persistence being required for Plack, we're talking about variables and code. 13:58 tcohen not "dealing with the fact that code is loaded just once and as variables persist in time we need to take care of it" 13:58 jcamins That's something else. 13:58 tcohen I wasthinking of a persistence layer, which could be provided by an ORM 13:56 jcamins I suspect probably the problem is that you're thinking of something else when you hear "persistence." 13:56 jcamins What are you thinking of when you say "persistence"? 13:56 jcamins The code and variables persist. 13:56 jcamins That's what persistence is. 13:55 tcohen jcamins, still don't get the relation with persistence 13:54 jcamins Basically Plack compiles all the Perl code when it is started (or when something is first called), and keeps the compiled form in RAM. 13:53 * tcohen is trying to process your response 13:51 jcamins That's the entire point. 13:51 jcamins *once 13:51 jcamins It loads the code ocne. 13:51 jcamins tcohen: Plack is a persistent environment. 13:50 tcohen can someone point me to an explanation of the assertion "Plack needs persistence"? 13:50 jcamins However, when QP is disabled, it could be of use to someone. 13:49 jcamins oleonard: it won't do much. 13:49 datadoctor Good morning! 13:48 oleonard no-op? 13:46 jcamins I'd probably push 7518 anyway, even though it's a no-op. 13:46 jcamins oleonard: not necessarily. 13:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries 13:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , searches with quotation marks don't work 13:45 oleonard Would the need for a fix for Bug 7518 be eliminated by approval of Bug 9239? 13:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9610 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, bgkriegel, Signed Off , Spanish translation of MARC21 default bibliographic framework 13:39 tcohen bgkriegel's patch for bug 9610 *should* make it into 3.12 13:35 cait1 a 13:34 cait1 I will switch templates and the pref and if it's ok it's passed q 13:34 cait1 ... and now it's pretty :) 13:34 Joubu cait1: cool :) 13:33 cait1 I am looking at a really ugly detail page now :) 13:33 wahanui normal view is ok now 13:33 cait1 normal view!! 13:33 cait1 Joubu: never mind :) 13:32 Joubu I will rebase it 13:32 Joubu no, I tested on my old local branch 13:32 cait1 yep 13:32 Joubu cait1: 9711 ? 13:29 cait1 Joubu: you tested today on master? 13:29 magnuse tcohen++ - you beat me to it :-) (and i took the liberty of unindenting the list) 13:20 cait1 getting warmertoo :) 13:20 huginn cait1: The current temperature in Heidelberg, Germany is 2.0°C (2:12 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 13:20 cait1 @wunder Heidelberg, Germany 13:16 cait1 tcohen++ :) 13:16 huginn cait1: downloading the Perl source 13:16 cait1 huginn: tsk. 13:16 tcohen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Crowdfunding 13:16 huginn cait1: Error: No such location could be found. 13:16 cait1 and the snow is gone and we got sun! 13:16 cait1 @wunder Heidelberg 13:16 cait1 we are in heidelberg now :) 13:13 cait1 it has lots of useful information. 13:13 cait1 I won't apologize for my data 13:13 cait1 ok :) 13:12 jcamins Which is weird. :P 13:12 jcamins So, yes. Revert the last patch, and look at something else while I'm confirming my fix against your data. 13:12 cait1 *confused* :) 13:12 jcamins Wait... yeah, just revert the last patch and I'll squash my new fix together. 13:12 cait1 hm 13:11 jcamins I'll split the last patch, first. 13:10 cait1 I will revert the last patch then? 13:10 cait1 cool 13:10 jcamins I think I may have a fix... 13:09 jcamins :) 13:09 cait1 but if you fixed the linker in another bug... I woudl be grateful of course :) 13:08 jcamins You bet! 13:08 cait1 because i am about to pass qa on the query parser 13:07 cait1 part 13:07 cait1 if you want you can give me a new patch without the linker patch 13:07 cait1 uhoh 13:07 jcamins Ah-ha... 13:07 cait1 heh 13:07 jcamins I just remembered that. 13:06 cait1 you could just use that for your testing :) 13:06 jcamins Yes. 13:06 cait1 you got my data 13:06 cait1 :P 13:06 * jcamins messes around with his data so it will look like cait's. 13:06 * cait1 waits 13:06 cait1 ok 13:05 jcamins Yes. 13:05 cait1 so I can stop the complaining script for now? :) 13:04 jcamins *thought of 13:04 jcamins About trying to compare undefined variables. 13:04 cait1 you found one you mean? 13:04 cait1 hm? 13:04 jcamins You're going to get warnings. 13:04 cait1 hm still running 13:04 jcamins Oh, I just thought a problem with my patch... 13:03 cait1 i am runnign with -v -l now 13:02 jcamins Hrm. I suspect it may be. 13:02 cait1 werid data? 13:02 cait1 well for the first 1500 it seems pretty much that 13:02 jcamins I usually get that about a half dozen times when I run the linker, not every time. 13:02 cait1 I don't see anything else 13:02 cait1 it looks like 13:02 cait1 weird data? 13:02 jcamins cait1: on every record? 13:01 cait1 oAuth error: Unsupported Use attribute (114) Match-heading Bib-1 13:01 Joubu jcamins: simply "toto" :) 13:01 jcamins Probably not so good. 13:01 cait1 it does something now,but it doesn't look so promising 13:01 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 13:01 cait1 interesting 13:01 cait1 ah 13:01 * jcamins waits for Joubu to enter his password. :P 13:01 jcamins Pasword: 13:01 cait1 checking the linker now 13:00 cait1 jcamins: manually linked authority works nicely 13:00 Joubu thanks :) 13:00 * cait1 sends Joubu cookies 13:00 cait1 :) 12:59 Joubu oops 12:59 cait1 benedictus de nursia 12:59 Joubu ssh koha-qa.local 12:59 cait1 i am testing with a saint - it shoud just work, right? :) 12:59 jcamins Oh, those crazy Germans. 12:58 cait1 first test looks good 12:58 cait1 not going to argue with you about that :) 12:58 cait1 jcamins: germany decided to put subject chain subjects there 12:58 jcamins cait1: yeah, I'd like to try both. 12:57 cait1 jcamins: will try without first and see if my manually linked one works now 12:57 jcamins 689? 12:57 jcamins cait1: yes please. 12:57 cait1 because I only get a by line and never ever an additional authors line in current master and I have subjects in 689 12:56 cait1 for athe authorpop thing - xslt or normal view? 12:56 Joubu cait1: yep, i'm back 12:56 cait1 jcamins: so i am supposed to try running the linker again, right? 12:56 cait1 the ads are amusing 12:56 jcamins Hehe. 12:56 magnuse hehe 12:55 cait1 becuase one out of my 4 friends is 12:55 cait1 facebook still thinks I am norwegian 12:55 jcamins cait1: it's because I write 1-line QA follow-ups. 12:55 cait1 LOL 12:55 jcamins Facebook just told me that I am a failure because I have 259 friends and my wife has 500-something and my brother almost 1000. 12:55 oleonard Then a WYSIWYG HTML editor 12:55 cait1 jcamins: did you notice we reached the 6th qa follow-up? :P 12:54 magnuse then an email client 12:54 magnuse yeah, gotta have a feed reader in koha 12:54 magnuse heh 12:54 cait1 in koha? ;) 12:54 jcamins oleonard: hehe. 12:54 cait1 lol 12:54 oleonard All the crowdfunding dollars are going now to funding a Google Reader replacement :P 12:53 magnuse i think we need a wiki page for brainstorming... 12:52 jcamins tcohen: that would be excellent. 12:51 tcohen we could add to the crowdfund the task of extending coverage of unit tests 12:51 * cait1 gives myshkin some attention 12:51 cait1 waiting for my database right now.... loading dump after testing the renewal patch 12:51 cait1 that was fast :) 12:48 jcamins Attached. 12:47 cait1 lol 12:46 jcamins This is not a trick I approve of. 12:46 cait1 jcamins: and you hurry up - we are on our way into the black forrest with bad internet connectiona nd lots of tunnels ;) 12:46 jcamins Myshkin has learned that if he starts gagging like he's going to vomit he gets attention. 12:46 cait1 Joubu: still around? 12:46 cait1 not sure i really deserve that karma 12:45 cait1 guess the data is good for something then... good for testing 12:45 magnuse cait++ 12:44 jcamins However, there is a situation where weird data can crash the linker. 12:44 cait1 *sigh* 12:44 jcamins It is. 12:44 jcamins The linker thing was longstanding. 12:44 cait1 I thought it was my weird data again :) 12:44 cait1 that was the linker thing I noticed? 12:44 cait1 ah 12:44 jcamins Also one new bug. 12:44 cait1 cool 12:44 jcamins Actually, you found longstanding bugs in SimpleSearch *and* in the authority linker. 12:43 jcamins Writing a commit message now. 12:43 cait1 oh yay 12:43 jcamins I do. 12:43 cait1 because I am about to start testing on a new bug right now :) 12:43 cait1 jcamins: do you have a patch ready for my latest complaints? :) 12:42 cait1 :) 12:42 cait1 found a power outlet 12:42 cait1 jcamins: oups 12:38 jcamins cait++ # for finding longstanding bugs in the authority linker 12:35 cait1 ... running out of battery soon too :( 12:35 * oleonard waves back to cait and cait1 12:32 * cait waves 12:22 wizzyrea hahaha 12:21 jcamins Myshkin just acted out the penguin falling off a cliff. 12:20 oleonard Hi :) 12:20 wizzyrea also, good morning 12:20 wizzyrea causing trouble, wreaking havoc 12:20 oleonard wizzyrea, what are you doing up? 12:19 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcx6YyXvvRI&feature=player_embedded 12:18 jcamins Myshkin just came running over and jumped on my lap when I turned on that video. 12:16 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGUhEPdLmus&feature=player_embedded 12:16 jcamins And I thought I saw a PR from ByWater about PTFS Europe's ILL code at some point. 12:15 wizzyrea mmm yep 12:15 tcohen maybe its the 3.10.x branch from git 12:15 jcamins wizzyrea: isn't it a bit late for you? 12:14 drojf what i picture when i read this is: »OMG, it's git in production, let's run!« 12:13 Dyrcona But that's a different software. 12:13 * Dyrcona runs from git in production. 12:11 * magnuse used to run from git in production 12:04 wizzyrea sorry the 2nd 12:04 wizzyrea http://i1.wp.com/laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/tumblr_mif7n8N6XI1rwkrdbo1_500.jpg?resize=500%2C317 12:04 wizzyrea http://myjetpack.tumblr.com/post/43399808071/a-book-of-my-cartoons-will-be-out-in-late-april 12:03 wizzyrea hm. 12:03 wizzyrea running from git in production? 12:01 tcohen morning #koha 11:54 drojf lol 11:50 slef furry 11:50 wahanui are so awesomely delicious they will make grown men weep. 11:50 slef wahanui: kebabs? 11:45 magnuse lol! 11:44 drojf fish kebab place, not one kebab :) 11:44 drojf there was a fish kebab near my old flat. it smelled horrible, i never tried it 11:43 magnuse drojf: nooo, don't mess with the pizza! 11:43 slef drojf: kebabs 11:40 drojf fishpizza fryday? :) 11:40 * magnuse has other fish to fry 11:38 drojf so, get started. that's gonne be a long day :P 11:37 magnuse and there is lots of stuff that is just new, so getting it up-to-date with master might not be that hard 11:36 wizzyrea further down than I was lookin :) 11:36 wizzyrea oh wait never mind there's the 3.8.8 11:35 wizzyrea db updates stop at 3.8.7 11:33 magnuse yeah 3.8.8 11:33 magnuse i just looked at the name of the branch 11:33 wizzyrea it looks like they have code in there from as recently as 3 months ago 11:33 magnuse ah 11:32 slef magnuse: yeah, but one commit talks about fixes for 3.10, so it might not be as straightforward as that. 11:32 wizzyrea it's 2 versions behind at this point - f they only finished it a month ago that kind of explains that. 11:32 drojf slef: please do 11:32 slef magnuse: oooh, maybe I should reply and point that out. 11:32 magnuse and it looks like it is based on 3.8... 11:31 wizzyrea kek. 11:31 magnuse and they have until tomorrow to get it into 3.12... 11:31 slef wizzyrea: yet. But still advertise that they have. 11:30 wizzyrea ..yet 11:30 slef magnuse: groan. So they've developed it for koha, but not bothered to add it to koha. 11:29 wizzyrea it's still crackly it's so new 11:28 magnuse slef: there is branch in their repo: https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/koha/tree/3.8.ptfs_ILL 11:27 cait1 bbl all 11:27 cait1 wizzyrea: go to sleep! ;) 11:25 * magnuse would be interested to know more about the ill capabilities 11:21 slef That's some way from EGBT, but bizarrely exactly where I was looking for. 11:21 huginn slef: The current temperature in Potterspury, Towcester, United Kingdom is 4.8°C (11:13 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 11:21 slef @wunder EGBT 11:21 wizzyrea just because I guess 11:21 wizzyrea hm 11:20 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found. 11:20 slef @wunder EGBV 11:20 cait1 wizzyrea: why are you awake? :) 11:19 slef I rarely remember the code, though. 11:18 slef that's the nearest station 11:18 huginn slef: The current temperature in Gedney Hill, Spalding, United Kingdom is 4.3°C (11:01 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 11:18 slef @wunder EGCL 11:17 huginn slef: The current temperature in Yaxley, Peterborough, United Kingdom is 7.8°C (11:14 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 11:17 slef @wunder EGSF 11:14 slef wizzyrea: lot of it about here. Few hills. 11:14 wizzyrea though I'm rather becoming affectionate towards wind. 11:14 wizzyrea boo wind. 11:13 slef wizzyrea: 5 with a windchill of 5 = 0 11:13 huginn slef: The current temperature in Cranwell, United Kingdom is 4.0°C (10:50 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 11:13 slef @wunder EGYD 11:11 wizzyrea still, not so bad at 5 - perhaps a bit cold for march. 11:11 slef wizzyrea: EGYM should be RAF Marham. Not sure why wunder doesn't like it. 11:10 wizzyrea Flick's Weeting - is that where they shot 'A Bug's Life' 11:10 huginn slef: The current temperature in Flick's, Weeting, United Kingdom is 5.1°C (11:00 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 11:10 slef @wunder EGYM 11:10 huginn slef: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (12:00 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 11:10 slef @wunder Konstanz 11:03 huginn cait1: Error: No such location could be found. 11:03 cait1 @wunder Kontanz 10:54 drojf interesting indeed 10:52 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 10:52 cait1 slef: interesting. 10:52 slef wondering if/how to respond 10:51 slef [off] https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1303&L=LIS-LINK&F=&S=&P=47248 10:50 slef drojf: I simply don't know. The above is from a seminar advert sent to UK librarians. 10:49 drojf slef: they wouldn't accidentally have added that to this similar named system by that similar named company? 10:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7317 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, sarah, ASSIGNED , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC 10:47 slef bug 7317 is also pretty idle 10:47 slef "PTFS Europe have also just added an inter-library loan capability to Koha." Anyone know about that? I'm not spotting it in git log. 10:37 slef [off] "Look at what they make you give" http://gobblin.se/u/mjray/m/crashing-into-a-badly-placed-light-pole/ 10:04 cait1 or use a csv profile -b ut that feature is only available in versions 3.6+ I think 10:04 cait1 tanzi: maybe try exporting it into one of the provided formats 10:00 tanzi Any help for printing the search list,please 09:59 tanzi itried to add my search output to a list and print it, but when i add to list i can add it only page by page to a list. 09:57 tanzi i want to know whether i could print the result of my search output. 09:56 tanzi i ve come with another doubt ;-) 09:56 tanzi hi 09:52 cait1 I tried normal and xslt and made sure the pref was turned on 09:52 cait1 must be missing osmething 09:52 cait1 Joubu: I am sorry - not trying to be difficult there - just really couldn't get it to show up 09:51 Joubu cait1: yep I saw your comment, I will try to provide a better test plan 09:51 cait1 but looking at anothe of your bugs now :) 09:48 cait1 Joubu: sorry... on at train. I wanted to ask you about 9711 - but probably won#t make much sense to try and figure that out right now with bad internet connection 09:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9103 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , overdue_notices.pl should use AutoEmailPrimaryAddress syspref 09:33 slef Changes submitted for bug 9103 09:26 * slef tries to do the mental gymnastics to rebase it 09:26 * slef junks the QA 09:25 wizzyrea good luck 09:25 tanzi c u all again 09:24 wizzyrea we tend it every day ;) 09:24 tanzi ok thank you, that was my first useful IRC, thankyou all, by4now tk core of koah :-) 09:24 Joubu cait1: hello 09:23 cait1 hm. 09:23 * wizzyrea sympathises 09:23 * slef gets into the longest argument with git about a QA 09:22 * wizzyrea has always said yeap and newp :P 09:22 rangi nope 09:22 cait1 them 09:22 cait1 rangi: I think they prompt - but you have to run 09:22 wahanui i guess so there is no way we can enable it I think 09:22 rangi so there 09:22 rangi the packages do 09:22 slef wizzyrea: the kiwish lessons are working, then? 09:22 wizzyrea WINNING 09:22 cait1 never. 09:22 cait1 heh 09:22 cait1 not automatically 09:22 wizzyrea not automatically. 09:22 wizzyrea newp 09:21 slef cait1: it doesn't run the items converter does it? 09:21 wizzyrea yeap 09:21 cait1 like always since I can remember - which is 3.2 alpha or so :) 09:21 slef wizzyrea: oic. Will need to run the items converter too. 09:21 cait1 slef: why would it not prompt before? didn't it always? 09:21 wizzyrea :) 09:21 wizzyrea as in, he's running 3.2 09:21 slef wizzyrea: as in, after 3.4.0 09:21 wizzyrea no, 3.2 09:21 cait1 tanzi: koha will upgrade the db structure for you 09:20 slef or actually, I think it may prompt you on first admin login, as long as you're upgrading from a version after 3.4 09:20 slef tanzi: yes, as long as you run the upgrade script(s), it will change the older db to the new one. 09:20 wizzyrea yes, it should work 09:20 tanzi i mean will the new db is compatible with older db structure? 09:19 tanzi ok then while upgrading ,will the new db be compatible with the newer one so that i be able to import older data to the upgraded db 09:17 slef tanzi: depends how you installed it. 09:14 drojf if you have local changes in the codebase you are on your own 09:14 drojf to backup the data in general, you would save the sql, not the koha code 09:14 drojf tanzi: have you made local changes to your koha? or do you mean your koha data in general? 09:12 tanzi of koha 09:12 tanzi anybody there to tell me which directory to backup my installed koha code in Debian 6 before upgrading to a newer version 09:11 cait1 Joubu: around? 09:10 tanzi anybody there? 09:10 tanzi hey.. 09:08 tanzi i am correct? 09:07 tanzi when i search for keyword koha i find this 09:07 tanzi is everythig in the /usr/share/koha? 09:07 tanzi in the filesystem 09:07 tanzi i am not sure where th koha code is distributed.. 09:06 tanzi it is not as simple like backing up one single directory 09:06 tanzi but how to backup the code? 09:06 wizzyrea always a good plan 09:06 tanzi i will backup my db 09:05 rangi so you want to change it without anything changing? the answer then is no 09:05 tanzi i want to upgrade without any damage to the code and the db 09:04 rangi ?? 09:04 tanzi is it possible to upgrade my koha to the recent stable version by keeping the older version as it is 09:03 cait1 hi paul_p 09:03 rangi hi paul_p 09:02 cait1 can't see anything happen in xslt 09:02 cait1 wizzyrea: hm. I will try normal view 09:02 tanzi when i add 09:02 rangi thats a pretty old version of Koha 09:02 tanzi actually i want to set my custom framework as default 09:02 wizzyrea afaict 09:02 wizzyrea cait: it doesn't say 09:02 cait1 ah never midn - I think I got bugzilla open now 09:02 Viktor hi cait1 09:01 * wizzyrea missed the "I opened that" 09:01 wizzyrea and where on the page are you trying to stick it? 09:01 wizzyrea same place but addbooks.tmpl 09:00 wizzyrea ah 09:00 tanzi Koha version: 3.02.06.000 09:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9711 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , OPACPopupAuthorsSearch ugly in CSSR 08:59 cait1 as bugzila don't want to open for me... could someone tell me abut bug 9711 - lookng for the information if it should work with xslt or normal view 08:59 wizzyrea right only tt 08:59 rangi what version of koha tanzi? 08:59 rangi you shouldnt be seeing .tmpl files 08:59 cait1 ook 08:59 wizzyrea that's where you'll put you <a href="...">link</a> 08:59 cait1 we were discussing terry pratchett earlier 08:59 * cait1 hands drojf frog pills 08:58 wizzyrea you should find an addbooks.tt 08:58 drojf [off] "it can take any pron, not just nominative" *giggles* 08:58 wizzyrea you want to look in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/ 08:58 cait1 tanzi: what exactly do you want to do? 08:57 tanzi hi cait1 can u help me 08:57 tanzi Please help.. 08:57 tanzi have some perl knowledge 08:56 tanzi new to TMPL usage 08:56 tanzi couldnt find where to edit 08:56 cait1 hi Viktor :) 08:56 tanzi i opened addbooks.tmpl 08:55 tanzi hi im trying to edit the view of addbooks.pl .I want to add an <a href ..> to this view. where should i edit? 08:55 cait1 t 08:52 cait1 drojf: you have strange taste :) 08:52 cait1 drojf: that's ok - was just hoping to speed it up :) 08:52 wizzyrea nope, I laughed 08:51 rangi nope saw that 08:51 drojf the apertium channel talks in complete computerlinguist gibberish <3 08:51 cait1 guess my batman comment was lost too? 08:51 cait1 got kicked out 08:51 cait1 hm sorry 08:50 rangi yep, we can go to one that will have a bit more happening and costs a bit less as a good learning one 08:50 drojf cait1: no signing off for me, got other problems to solve, sorry 08:45 * wizzyrea is keen to learn tho 08:44 * wizzyrea totally doesn't understand cricket but believes you when you say it would be a suboptimal experience 08:44 rangi heh 08:43 * cait read bat and was thinking dadadadadada batman! 08:43 * magnuse does not want rangi to go all batty 08:37 rangi wizzyrea: will probably not go to the cricket tomorrow, looks like england will bat all day, and i dont want to pay $43 to watch them bat 08:37 cait drojf: could you sign off maybe? 08:37 cait it's on my list indeed 08:37 cait hehe 08:36 wizzyrea because I don't want to be responsible for nuking your translated strings :P 08:35 wizzyrea before release 08:35 wizzyrea just don't want it to get missed. 08:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9745 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Don't nuke translated permissions with changes introduced in bug 9382 08:34 wizzyrea oh hey, europeans - bug 9745 08:34 cait interesitng 08:34 cait ah 08:33 drojf it does the ß>B>b thing 08:32 drojf (09:26:04) huginn: cait: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Willi-Bredel-Strabe 08:32 cait drojf: huh? 08:29 drojf strabe :D 08:29 asaurat http://www.tameteo.com/meteo_Marseille-Europe-France-Bouches+du+Rhone-LFML-1-26127.html 08:29 cait ugh 08:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.3°C (9:25 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 08:29 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:28 huginn cait: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Willi-Bredel-Strabe DE, Leipzig, Germany is -7.2°C (9:03 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 08:28 cait @wunder leipzig 08:28 christophe_c you know cait, yesterday afternoon => 14° but with the wind the temp. drops 08:28 cait :) 08:28 cait rangi: tsk. 08:28 asaurat hehe 08:28 rangi :) 08:28 rangi get inside and work!! 08:27 asaurat actually, the forecasts predict a very rainy week :p 08:27 cait christophe_c: that's not so warm.... but I had lots of snow the last 3 days... so i won't complain 08:27 christophe_c yep cait I am working on it ;-) 08:25 huginn cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 08:24 cait @wunder marseille 08:24 cait good :) work some more on it :) 08:24 christophe_c cait windy today but by the way sunny ;-) 08:22 christophe_c hello drjf cait 08:20 cait christophe_c: how is the weather project? 08:20 cait good morning drojf 08:20 drojf guten morgen cait 08:20 drojf hi christophe_c 08:19 christophe_c hello #koha 08:16 drojf :) 08:14 magnuse boo 08:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 08:14 magnuse @wunder boo 08:11 drojf as long as i don't leave the house it seems like a nice spring day here 08:11 drojf i got sun :) 08:11 drojf just 21° more. that's nothing 08:10 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 08:10 rangi @wunder nzwn 08:10 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is -4.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 08:10 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:09 drojf heh true 08:08 magnuse the name even sounds like some place in norway :-) 08:07 magnuse yeah, that sounds promising 08:06 rangi yup 08:06 wizzyrea hm that looks interesting 08:05 rangi but it is gplv3 08:05 rangi disclaimer never actually tried it 08:05 rangi http://selfoss.aditu.de/ 08:04 drojf rangi++ 08:00 * magnuse starts dreaming of a collaborative feed reader for library people, again 07:59 magnuse anyone know a good, free software, web-based alternative? 07:59 drojf rangi: ah, that makes sense 07:58 rangi its one of the few ones that didnt track you, hence why they are killing it 07:58 drojf »look, that centralized service of that spying corporation. how can something like that suddenly shutdown?« :P 07:58 magnuse hehe 07:58 wizzyrea i'm tempted to go all hipster on you and say I used it before it was cool. 07:58 * magnuse too 07:58 wizzyrea meh, it's a product I've used for years, and like. 07:58 magnuse guilty! 07:57 drojf somehow i read that everywhere i go. you're all slaves to google :P 07:56 wizzyrea awful. Really irritated about it. 07:56 * magnuse starts looking for an alternative to google reader 07:55 magnuse nz++ 07:55 magnuse wizzyrea: yay! 07:52 wizzyrea (some comes much further, but a lot more is local, especially seasonal vegetables) 07:52 wizzyrea more locally produced food (< 300km-ish) 07:51 wizzyrea less stuff. 07:51 wizzyrea no cars, more walking, less trash, more recycling 07:51 magnuse how is your nz carbon fottprint smaller than your us one, wizzyrea? 07:50 magnuse hehe 07:49 wizzyrea of course that was probably offset by the plane ride I took to get here in the first place. 07:49 magnuse wizzyrea: that sure sounds like scientific explanation! 07:49 wizzyrea </nonsense> 07:48 wizzyrea oh I know what the problem is - moving to NZ drastically reduced my carbon footprint, so my lack of CO2 output is totally throwing off the global climate. That must be it. 07:48 * magnuse was hoping to find spring on the shores of the mediteranean 07:48 reiveune hello 07:48 * magnuse has plenty of snow now 07:48 wizzyrea or less of it. 07:47 wizzyrea what do you need snow? 07:46 magnuse yay! 07:46 sophie_m but it should be better this WE magnuse 07:46 * magnuse makes a note of bringing his skis to the hackfest 07:46 wahanui privet, alex_a 07:46 alex_a bonjour 07:46 sophie_m yep, as you say ;-) 07:45 magnuse gah! 07:45 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 2.0°C (8:30 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 07:45 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:45 magnuse bonjour sophie_m 07:43 magnuse maybe you could spend a summer holiday here in norway some time? ;-) 07:43 drojf woah a huge piece of ice just fell from the roof and passed my window. yay sunshine 07:43 magnuse ooh, even more spooky 07:40 wizzyrea and massive snow storms in kansas. 07:39 wizzyrea ikr. 07:39 magnuse so wizzyrea moves to nz and immediately there is a drought? 07:39 drojf :) 07:39 magnuse eeeek 07:39 drojf mass hysteria 07:38 magnuse or we are all crazy... 07:38 drojf so i am not crazy, i thought that too 07:37 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot voting 07:37 wizzyrea forget the voting 07:37 wahanui magnuse: I forgot meeting 07:37 magnuse wahanui: forget the meeting 07:37 magnuse ah, not just me being confused then ;-) 07:36 wahanui the voting is broken https://landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla_l10n/page.cgi?id=release-notes.html#v40_feat_vot_ext 07:36 rangi the voting 07:36 wahanui the meeting is at 6, so I need to leave in about two and a half hours. 07:36 wizzyrea what the meeting? 07:35 rangi i thought it was this morning too magnuse 07:35 wizzyrea mornin 07:33 drojf good morning 07:16 magnuse wow, i sure got the voting thing wrong... 07:16 * magnuse waves 05:20 cait morning 04:12 * wajasu leaves 04:12 * jcamins leaves. 04:11 jcamins Yes. 04:11 wajasu does that add course reserves need more signoff? 03:03 wizzyrea :D 03:00 trea ha 02:59 BobB :0 02:59 BobB how'd you get that photo of our sys admin? 02:59 BobB wizzyrea lol 02:47 wizzyrea the most common incoming request is <reply> http://i.imgur.com/ldAL5.gif 02:45 wizzyrea using git instead of packages for production is <reply> http://media.tumblr.com/2f97c667249a55cd90116bfa73b60d3d/tumblr_inline_misskuTgjp1qz4rgp.gif 02:42 wizzyrea yep. 02:42 wahanui http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 02:42 wizzyrea new release? 02:42 wizzyrea new release is <reply> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 02:42 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot new release 02:42 wizzyrea forget new release 02:42 wahanui it has been said that new release is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 02:42 wizzyrea new release? 02:42 wizzyrea new release is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 02:41 wahanui bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. 02:41 wizzyrea bugs? 02:41 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 02:41 wizzyrea bugs is also http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 02:40 * wizzyrea sighs 02:40 wizzyrea hm, i'd still probably go with packages for production and use git for your development box >.> 02:40 FCCAP thank you all again for the advice and guidance, I look forward to our next meeting. 02:40 FCCAP oh yea GIT, would be my install method 02:40 wizzyrea hehe 02:39 FCCAP well this church has an average age of like 65+ so slower might be better, we are in central florida, so it's mainly comprised of Snow Birdds 02:39 wizzyrea much easier than a tarball 02:39 wizzyrea also, I'd go with the packages for your install 02:39 wizzyrea *nod* 02:39 FCCAP ok I'll give it a shot with the 512, and then in 2 weeks I'll be getting the rest of my gear down here (just moved 16 hours away), and I'll have plenty of memory to upgrade if needed 02:39 wizzyrea tight and/or slower than you might like. 02:38 wizzyrea might be tight though. 02:38 FCCAP yea I'm not real big on live cds unless it's just something to run as a temp thing, maybe a demo or something 02:38 wizzyrea you know, for the size you've got, probably 1 gig would be better, but it should work on 512. 02:37 FCCAP I didn't really find any specs listed, is there a min or recommended mem requirement? The current system is an Athlon 2000+ with 512, I know that will support debian, but what about the ILS? 02:37 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot live cd 02:37 wizzyrea forget live cd 02:37 wizzyrea erm, not helpful wahanui. 02:37 wahanui live cd is not always recommendable or available on sourceforge can i use it? 02:37 wizzyrea live cd? 02:37 wizzyrea good luck :) 02:37 FCCAP excellent, I like the compatibility....thank you all kindly. If I can convince the Church to go with this, I'll get it all setup, and then I look forward to being an active member of the community to help out others as well. You all are def of the kind IRC folk. I need to get my proposal written up for them now. 02:35 wizzyrea nope, if you can scan into a text box, it will work with koha 02:34 kathryn :) it's not a sign that I've finished... 02:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Patrons search improvements 02:34 FCCAP one more quick question, are there any issues with basic automatic bar code scanners that I should be on the lookout for? I have to admit, my experience in ILS has been 4 years with Polaris ILS in a Public Library and Evergreen ILS as IT Admin 02:34 wizzyrea bug 9811 02:34 wizzyrea wb kathryn 02:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6739 major, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , expired patrons not blocked from opac actions 02:33 wizzyrea bug 6739 02:33 FCCAP ok so that does answer that then, it's not something that would be strictly a web based with a mysql database access that I could configure that way. 02:33 wizzyrea anything feature-y 02:32 wajasu if there was a bug you really need signed off by friday, tell me. i think i am up for 1 or two. 02:32 jcamins You don't necessarily need root access, but you do need the ability to run non-PHP/Perl/whatever software. 02:32 wizzyrea have you looked at the demos at all? 02:32 FCCAP well, the system that is there would most likely handle it, the only concern I have is the memory, it's currently only got 512MB ram, but a potentially bigger concern would be that the librarian is somewhere nearing her 70's and I'm not sure introducing her to linux (even for browsing would be something that would be feasible) 02:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Improvement on text wrapping algorithm needed 02:31 wajasu bug 2499 02:30 wajasu whoops 02:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2249 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED REMIND, Error in barcodesGenerator.pl 02:30 wajasu i did fix bug 2249, but its not really a priority. 02:30 wizzyrea 150 books is eensy 02:30 wizzyrea for that it would take really very extremely modest hardware 02:30 FCCAP I host my site on the same hoster system so I thought about looking into it tonight to see if it would be something I could setup as a test, but I thought I would check with the experts before I go thru the steps 02:30 wizzyrea probably not possible :( but - you might consider one of the live cd's 02:29 FCCAP I like the friendly type, it's right up my ally. 02:29 jcamins Probably not possible. 02:29 FCCAP I'm looking at setting this up for a church, my question is this, they have a paid linux based webhoster, would it be possible to run this on that, or is it an application that requires an nix executable to be run on server. I only ask because the church is very small (prob 150 books) and not a lot of a funds for a dedicated computer. 02:28 wizzyrea FCCAP: we're the friendly sort of IRC 02:28 jcamins wajasu: and that's even easier. :) 02:28 wizzyrea works if you only have one branch. :P 02:28 wajasu i'll just have them clear the branchemail and type it in iterally inthe notice. and let overduenotice pick up the KohaAdminEmailAddress. 02:27 FCCAP lol, can do, each IRC is a bit different on protocol is all... 02:27 wizzyrea sure. 02:27 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask. 02:27 jcamins ask? 02:27 jcamins And if you want it in in 3.12, the patch needs to be submitted by the end of the day Friday. 02:27 * wizzyrea looks around 02:27 FCCAP hello all, is there anyone around who might be able to answer a quick question? 02:27 jcamins It's just that's not how the feature has been supposed to work. 02:27 wizzyrea yep, if you want your particular 123 addressed, you'd better be prepared to send a patch :) 02:27 wajasu yeah. 02:26 jcamins A patch could make that work easily enough. 02:25 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 02:25 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 02:25 wizzyrea @quote get 123 02:25 wajasu since the branchemail is taken and my librarian wants emails sent with the "The Library" showing, AND would want the thelibrary@thehost.org showing too, i am stuck. 02:24 jcamins That'd be pretty cool, but it definitely is a space for e-mail address. 02:24 jcamins It's not supposed to work. 02:24 wizzyrea i'm actually not surprised that it doesn't work. 02:23 wizzyrea the first I know of, anyway 02:23 wajasu :) 02:22 wizzyrea I think you're the first. 02:22 wizzyrea I have never known anyone to put in anything other than a bare email address in KohaAdminEmailAddress 02:22 wajasu another issue is I noticed my template contains the branchemail. and since I put "The Library" <thelibarary@thehost.org> the template substitution gobbled up the part in <> 02:21 wizzyrea phew, I was confused there for a minute :) 02:21 wajasu yeah. 02:21 wahanui i think 3.10.2 is released on the same date right? 02:21 wizzyrea 3.10.2? 02:21 wajasu yes 02:20 wizzyrea 10.2? 02:20 wajasu one issue is the web page doesn't seem to handle double quotes for the KohaadminEmailAddress 02:19 wajasu so i looked at overdue notices.pl and see branchemail and i have that filled in as thelibrary@thehost.org so that is being used instead. 02:18 wajasu but my mails have thelibrary@thehost.org 02:18 wajasu whilst setting up overdue notices (koha v10.2) i historically have "The Library" <thelibrary@thehost.org> in KohaAdminEmailAddress and that works. 01:40 drojf yay \o/ 01:40 druthb okie dokie. :) 01:40 drojf druthb: in case you are getting a key to use google translate with pootle, could you get the key for apertium too please? 01:37 druthb aw, nuts. http://googlereader.blogspot.com/2013/03/powering-down-google-reader.html 00:27 wizzyrea yuss. 00:27 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif 00:27 wizzyrea get the popcorn 00:27 wizzyrea get the popcorn is <reply> http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif